Angling Baja with Santiago Ratti Denevi

In the first episode of the Guide Talk podcast, I interview Santiago Ratti Denevi, owner of Angling Baja, fly fishing guide and luxury hotelier. He is a wealth of information on this up and coming fishery and the big pelagics that inhabit those nearshore waters. Listen in as we discuss an incredible lineup of species - roosterfish, billfish, mahi, tuna, and even milkfish - to challenge anglers of any skill level. 

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Transcript

Hey friends, welcome to the Guide Talk podcast. Today we're talking to Santiago Ratti Denevi. He is the owner of Angling Baja, located in La Ventana, Mexico, and they focus on chasing pelagics like roosterfish, mahi, and even billfish so we're very excited to have Santiago on. Thank you, Santiago, for joining us today. Let's talk a little bit about your experience and how you got into guiding. 

Well first thank you very much for having me in your program.  So I'm from Argentina. I've been fly fishing for over 20 years. Back when I was studying at the university, I started guiding for Golden Dorados in Northern Argentina. I eventually moved to Patagonia where I was working as a general manager in a luxury hotel. And in my spare time I was also guiding. Eventually I moved to Hawaii because I have another job offer working as a general manager in a luxury hotel of Hawaii where I was working up until Covid hit.

My wife had a job offer here in Baja, Mexico. And that's how we move here. Since the first day I saw my first roosters cruising the beach, I knew this place was the place where I needed to start building my dream operation. 

Nice. That's pretty cool. Well, sounds like it was a nice move, even if it was a bit hectic then during Covid times. Speaking of roosters, tell us a little bit more about the fishery. 

So we fish from Baya de los Suenos los. It's also called Ensenada de Los Muertos. The closest town is La Ventana. We have like a 30 minute drives from the lodge to the launch place. The fishery in Baja is amazing. Most in the part that we fish. Most of the people come to the East Cape, in search of the big roosters, but fishing here in Baja is not everything big roosters. You have a wide variety of pelagic species, as you already told the audience, like we have dorados, rooster fish, billfish, like striped marlin, blue marlin. We even have milk fish that not many anglers know that it is available here and it's a great sport fish. Yellowtails, yellowfins, bluefin tunas like we have a very wide variety. We even have mako sharks. 

Wow. 

Yeah. We have like a big bag of fish that you can have here. And yeah, for those who crave adventures , and the treat of catching , something that makes the fish of a lifetime, I think there is no place like Baja.

That's really cool. Well, obviously we're gonna, we're gonna talk a little bit more about some of those species that you mentioned, but just in passing, was there anything particularly surprising that you learned about the fishery when you arrived? I mean, you're a relative newcomer, but you've spent a lot of time there.

So tell us about something that surprised you. 

Yeah. What really surprised me is  how close to the land you have, like this incredible fishing, like you have striped marlin. The first time I went to a panga here in Baja California, five minutes away from the launch place, we saw two striped marlin. That's

Wow! 

Amazing. There's not many places in the world that have the opportunity of seeing billfish so close to where you departed, which is something really impressive. Like the ocean drops here where we fish. They are so close to the land that a lot of pelagic species come to feed and that's their playground and we are so close to them. So that's what surprised me the most about the place where we fish. 

What a unique situation to have the deep water so close to the beach there. Right. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of ocean upswell there and a lot of bait, I'm sure. Yes. Moves through the area and because of that, here comes the predators.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.Sardines, mullet, everything. 

 Well, as we head into the next three or four months or so, spring headed into summer, what are some of the considerations that you're gonna take into account and what are some things that sort of shift through the season? 

So, starting the season, like in April, we still have some breeze but not too much.

Getting more into the summer season the winds start to slow down way more so it's pretty hot. And the fishing is very constant. Like in, in spring and summer, you have a very good fishing down here. Later on in October, September is when the hurricane season start. 

They usually don't tend to hit where we fish, but they come like in tropical storms. And after them or before them The fishing is amazing. Like last year we had shots at two blue marlin, big blue marlins, like way over 300 pounds. We have like 60 plus dorados caught. A lot of sailfish. Yeah, it was amazing. 

That sounds pretty amazing. So you said earlier that the spring headed into summer weather is. Pretty predictable. How many days do you think an angler should plan on coming down to fish with you? Do you have packages that are a set number of days or how do y'all organize that?

Our packages are five days fishing or six day fishing. If you are aiming to have a rooster fish, from the panga is doable. If you are planning on getting a rooster fish from the beach, it's going to take some extra work from you, way more extra work from you. I recommend that if you are fishing from a panga, five days is more than enough. If you are looking for the rooster, the hardcore way of the angler, I recommend you at least seven days from the beach. At least. 

Yeah. It's not easy to run down the man. 

*laughs* No, not at all. 

So speaking of that, what does a typical day of guiding look like? Talk about the difference between being on the panga and being on the shoreline, if y'all do the guided from shore stuff as well. 

So a typical day with us is if you are staying at the hotel you have breakfast, like something quick to grab, like we have coffee and tea, sir, before the shuttle picks you up.

Then we arrive at the launch place by 6:30. Most of the time we already have the bait ready that is needed for starting the feeding frenzy of  most  of the pelagic species down here. We also have a cooler that we include in our rates that have beer, sodas, water, and a branch that the angler can pick from ceviche, burritos, or even a sandwich.

I like that we are personalized, whatever you like. We got it. 

Oh, okay.  So you get to choose what you eat. That's nice. 

Yeah.  You get to choose what to eat. So that's something personalized, but gives an extra touch.  By midday, the clients usually eat the branch that we have in the Panga and by two o'clock we are already back at the hotel. Most of the days. If the fishing is slow we usually tend to extend one or two extra hours from the water. Yeah, of course. To make something happen. A final chance. To get at least one fish. That's usually how our day goes after that. The client gets to the hotel. They can pick whatever they want from the menu to eat. Usually after that, they take a nap in the afternoon, they go on ATVs and chase some roosters in the afternoon. They spend it just relaxing until the next fishing day. 

Well, being out in the sun all day will wear you out quickly. There were two things that really caught my ear in there, and the first one you talked about bait, and this is a fly fishing podcast.

So why don't you explain to those folks who don't understand live chumming. What's going on with that? 

Yeah, so basically, roosters, dorados, even some billfish, some striped marlin and also some sailfish. We get them like that. So you usually need some bait in order for them to start the feeding frenzy when you see them start chasing the bait is when you have to make the cast there and put your fly to intercept the fish. 

So you're throwing over handfuls of sardines or mullet or whatever's easy to get. That day, somebody will go out in the morning to cast net, some live mullet or sardines or whatever, and then throw out handfuls of them to attract the predators towards the boat.

Exactly. Right.

 And then once they appear now it's up to the angler to make a good cast. And then, the other thing that caught my ear was you said you're coming in around two and some folks listening will be confused. Why would we come in so early? But it has to do with the sun, right?

Yeah, completely. If the sun is not in the position that you need for sight fishing then you are casting at nothing because you really need to see the fish. The best time to fish is from 10 to 12 or to 1pm in summer. So that's the best time where you have the most possibilities of, of seeing the rooster and catching those kinds of fish.

That's why we end the day so early. But we also start very early, so in fact, it's like the same time, but you started earlier. And that's great because it's very hot. And by three o'clock, believe me, you want to be in the pool.

Right. That's right. Yeah. So, that's a good way of. Talking more about  who makes your ideal client?  Is it beginner friendly? Or are these more advanced anglers? Talk a little bit about that.

It's completely beginner friendly.  I think  this fishery suits every angle. For example, if it's your first time in saltwater, I recommend one or two days. We are looking to get some skipjack  or dorados. Relatively easy targets to get on the fly. That way people will learn how to strip-set.

They are not going to be trout-setting. They learn how to strip the fly line fast, how it should be stripped. They know how to properly fight the fish with the fighting bat of the road instead of with the tip of the road. Eventually, as you progress through the week, you can aim for roosters. So roosters are in the mid to more advanced level because most of the time they don't get close to the panas.

You need to make a decent 50 to 75 foot cast most of the time and they are blazing fast. So you need to have the ability to reposition your fly as quickly as you can. In as few as cast as possible. That's very important. 

Well, and that's what makes it fun, right? Is having the ability to meet the fish where they're at. And then I know we talked about billfish. Is that for the more advanced anglers? 

So when you're approaching a billfish, most of the time you see them outside of the water, like they are swimming and you see the combs. So for example, with the strip Marlene, you go around them and you start casting.

 If they show winters, they will come. You will see that. They go right to the flag. If not, we like to troll for them. We troll some lures, and when we see the fish, we retrieve all the conventional tackle and we make the cast with the fly.

We tease them up. That's how we usually make it here. You really need to strip-set. Because you need to hit them hard. But, once you get them, it's a very doable fight.

Well, we'll talk more about gear here in a minute, but you mentioned earlier; roosters from the beach. That's a, whole different thing, right? That's for the advanced anglers that really want to challenge themselves, right? Can you talk just a little bit about that?

Definitely. Yeah, I mean if you are chasing the, rooster from the beach it's, completely different game. Probably it's way more difficult than any other fish that you can get on the fly.  First you need to know that there are two different types of roosters approach. You have the roosters that are crashing bait balls, and you see the bait ball and you just make the caste and probably you make that fish. Eat and it's easier than the other way. I like the other way. That is when you don't see any bait ball at all and you see just the fish cruising and you need to make an horizontal cast and start stripping as fast as you can. And if the fish show some. Interest in your fly, you will see their thumbs up and they will go after the fly from side to side.

It's amazing. And that's, the difficult fish to catch. That's the really difficult fish to catch once, you hook them. The, you also need to land them. Yes. And landing a big rooster from the beach is not easy. Task as well, because we are fighting rooster with 20, 25, 30 pound tits. Oof. And yeah, it's, it's a hard game.

You need to beach them,  if you ever try to grab them by the leader that's came over completely. Came over. So, yeah, it's, a tough game, but it's well worth it. 

Some people are gonna be listening to this saying 20, 30 pound liter is light?! In this game, that's light. And we'll talk a little bit more about that here in a minute. But speaking of. Let's talk about three skills that an angler should have before they show up. You talked about being able to reposition the fly. Well, you talked about being able to cast a certain distance, things like that. Why don't you dig into that a little bit deeper? 

Yeah. They should know how to tie good knots.That's important.  I only use a perfection knot; that is very easy and simple. Every angler should know how to tie it. And the other knot that I love, that I always use and never fail is the slim beauty.

It's also very easy to tie. You can tie it in like less than a minute. It won't break. I tested it with very strong fish and it won't break at all. So knowing  those two knots, you are already set for here 

Because you're using the perfection loop to tie your fly on as well, right? Not everyone knows you can do that. That's a good one. 

Yes.  Also when I was guiding for dorado with the wire leaders, I found the perfection loop was equally effective on tieable wire as with monofilament. More people should learn the perfection loop. 

So the second thing that anglers should know is how to make a decent and 50 to 75 feet cast with big, bulky flies because that's important. If you want to catch those fish, like the roosters are picky and you need to make that big cast. And maybe the most important thing - we already spoke about this - but retrieving  the fly line with two hands.

It’s like a game changer. These fish are predatory and if the flight doesn't swim away fast enough from them, that doesn't trigger the strike in most cases.

That's right. They want to see it fast. As fast as you can move it and you can't let it stop. 

The moment you stop is game loss. It's over. 

It only takes watching it one time for you to be like, I never want to feel that way again. That level of rejection. 

Yeah, I completely agree. 

So that's an excellent skill to learn before you show up. And that goes right into our next question, which is what  mistakes that you constantly see people making that lead to blown shots or missed opportunities or lost fish? 

Yeah. Most of the common mistakes the client has is not the ability to put the fly as fast as it's needed on the water. That's one of the most common mistakes, like when the rooster is going to attack you only have one shot and you have to make it count and it's fast. And you have to have the fly line not tangling anything. Like it's just one chance, one shot and make it count, you know?

So being fast and organized in the  boat is really, really something important. The second thing is probably that you should also have the ability to have some line in the air. For example, sometimes you have a rooster that comes up to grab some bait and you don't see the fish for maybe 1, 2, 3 seconds. And they reappear again and splashing in and with the combs up and everything. So sometimes it's good that you already started the first cast. The fish disappear. Don't make that cast, don't blow it. Wait until you see the fish again. Yes, make the cast, but leave the line in the air.

You know, keep constant line in the air until you see the fish again, and you deliver the fly in the sun. That's something that's really good to know that not many people know how to do. Like, it's something most people struggle with, having 50 feet of line in the air, for three, four seconds.

 With my more advanced anglers, I challenge them to hold that much line in the air for three or four false casts, because we don't do it all the time, but sometimes it is the difference between having a good shot at a fish and not having any shot at all.

Yeah. So that's a, that's a great one. That's a great one. All right, so we've talked about all kinds of sizes of fish and. We need to have rods for all of them. Right. So let's talk about the typical gear load out for your, trips on the water. 

So most of the fishing is done with 10 weights and 12 weights.

Eventually, if you're lucky enough to have a shot at the blue marlin or you see big tuna, or you come in that time of the year where they are here it's, good to be prepared with a 14 or 16 weight fly road. , so every angler should have at least two 10 weights. One prepare with an intermediate clear flight plan.

For example Rio Outbound is the one that most of the people use, and it works perfectly. It has a power, powerful front taper that help turn, over those big flies in that reel, you should have 350 yards of backing, 60 pounds. , I like to use a spectra in all my reels. Power of Pro is excellent brand.

So that's If you can get it. Yeah. Yep. Use that one. That will get you roosters, Dorados and some other, like jack crevalle or  that kind of fish. So if you plan on catching milk fish, that is the other game of the, that is the other part of the game.  

I still cannot believe there are milk fish there 

and they are huge.

That's the mo 

I've never, I've never heard of milk fish being there. That's amazing. 

Yeah, they are huge. That's why I like them, because not many people know that they live here and the people that know that they live here are hardcore anglers because it's, it's a difficult fish to catch. And I love challenges.

So for mill fish, you need to have a floating line. Any. Or permit taper. We usually do the job and of course you also need to have like 350 yards of backing, no doubt, ? Then for the, for 12 weights if you have one or two, it is okay. With one is just fine. But if something happens, you also want to have a spare fly road.

For catching that stripe, marlon, or something big. So in the 12 weight I like the wheel have 550 yards of backing, more or less, or 600. If you're running for billfish or tunas or some really huge dorado, I like to approach them with that 12 weight as well, because you can put some more extra pressure.

Roosters also, I like to catch them if it's a big size rooster. I also like to, throw the 12 weight at them, but you cannot put as, as much pressure as with the other fish because you're using Light Tippets. 

So the lighter tippit. Yeah. So, and we'll talk, we'll, we'll bring that back up. We're gonna talk more about fish fighting here in a minute.

Cause that's super important. 

Yeah. So  anglers should, buy the best possible real that they can afford. The best they can afford is,  going to be good because for example I like the risks that have a good startup inertia. Mm. I think they are very important because when the rooster run if you have a good startup inertia, that won't break the tippett.

So that's plus for every fly really in saltwater, I think. Narrow pool so you can pick up line fast. , I think that's the most important thing that you should have in your whole setup. Not, not the roads, but the reels are super important. Then you should have, a good pair of sunglasses. It's a must. Even, more if you are planning on side fishing roosters from the beach, like. If you don't have a good pair of sunglasses, you are completely lost.

And , good sun protection. Clothing is very important. Like gloves, buffs, everything you want to cover from the sun because the sun here is very, very, , . 

Warm up covering every inch of skin. You think it's not important, but after the first afternoon out there in in it, you will understand that it is very important.

Yeah. Hundred percent. So we talked about some really important gear choices right there. Do you have loaner gear to give people if they don't have that stuff on their own or 

so Start in May, we are going to have a 10 weight, just one if people want to rent it. I also rent my 12 weight if they want to use it.

And hopefully next year we are going to have like way more here. . So if people want to rent it, but most of the anglers usually, come with their own roads. 

Right,  well, that's the advantage and disadvantage of being a. A brand new outfit. Right. You've got lots of open dates. Yeah.

But you're still getting your gear selection , up to snuff and all that .

We also sell flies if, people need, we also sell flies for roast, for meal fish, for everything, for billfish, Marlene, tuna, whatever. We have everything. 

Well, there's nothing like having the, flies that your local guide wants to use cuz they know what's going on. So that's an excellent service as well. Is there anything that we should definitely not bring? 

No, nothing in particular. I mean, 

no, not in particular. Baja is considered one of the safest places, in Mexico. A lot of expats come to live here in,  Baja after they retire. A lot of people is concerned about the security in Baja or in Mexico when they hear that we are in Mexico is area, is it safe?

The cartel drugs? But no, I  never heard about it here. Never saw anything here.

Let's talk about some of the fly patterns that you use.  You, talked about, several different species, right?

So we're gonna be talking about several different fly patterns

for roosters. We usually use from three oh to six oh streamers bait fish, imitation. Everything is bait fish. That's, that's something that's funny from this place. Everything is by fish. Yeah, yeah. For example, kinky Muddler and Enrico Puglisi Finger Mullet.

Peanut butters, poppers, not your average popper, color, white and tan. White and olive, they usually do the, shop here, , the size is from four to seven inches for rooster flies and also jack crevalle and Dorados. They usually eat kind of the same. If you are looking for flies for a Marlene. We also have two flies with upper heads.

They go from six oh to ato usually from eight to 10 inches. Do the shop most of the time. So that, what you should bring , for Marlene. Blue and pink. Blue and white is, my favorite colors for roosters. Everything like tan, tan and white. White and olive. Like, yeah, everything will do a show.

It's more, it's more how fast are you able to retrieve the flight and the color of the flights are. 

Yeah, that makes sense. Speaking of that, let's talk through an average encounter. Say we're out on the, on the penga, we've got some fish that have showed up. How does that usually look and then how would you want the angler to react?

So we start throwing some sines. If there is fish in the area, they will show up with the combs up, you will see the roosters tend to get like black when they are in the active freedom frenzy style. You need to remain corn but fast at the same time. It's a difficult game. It's a mental game, but you need to be calm but fast enough for not losing the shot at that fish. That's usually like most of the people, they see the first rooster, big Rooster, and it's like, whoa, whoa. Okay. Wait. Are you ready? Like, put your fly. See, everything is clear. Okay, now make the shot. Okay. You have the fish.

Okay. Fight it. Let it run. Most of the time it run like three or four times. The fish go to deep into your backing. Deep into your backing. It happened to me several times with that small rooster that. I see the, the vacuum, like two or three times. The power they have is amazing. That's awesome.

So you need to let that fish run because you're also fighting it with a lighty bit. And once they are tired, start pumping them and you start pumping them, like not too much pressure or just pumping, pumping, pumping. And eventually you will see the fish is coming to the boat. So if you are looking for roosters, that's the way that we usually like to approach it.

Nice, nice. Well that's super exciting cuz what you're talking about is fish that are up high in the water column. You get to see them, you make the cast, you strip the fish approaches and hopefully just absolutely crushes your fly. Yeah. and then you fight 'em. And speaking of fighting Are there special considerations that we take when it comes to handling these bigger fish?

Yeah, I mean it depends on, what you're fishing, of course. But for example if the angle wants to have the, picture with the big rooster, what I like to do is like, have everything ready, like the camera ready, ther ready where he wants the picture the road in a good position already, and we hold the fish in the water until everything is like ready and set to go Once. Every finish in order, we grab the fish, handle it to the, angler. Two or three pictures back in the water. It goes. The less time the fish is outta the water, the less stress the. That fish is going to suffer and the more chances that that fish won't have any issue living its normal life.

The same, with the bell fish. If it's a big bell fish, I don't even like to lift them out of the, of, of, the water. I like to have them like the angle and it's to Yep, get on the side of the panga. They can grab the bill and just take the picture. If, if it's a regular medium, small, yeah, you can take a picture out of the water, but. You know, you need to revive that fish, with the motor trolling until you see that fish has. Cause the strength to go back in the water. And then we release it. , 

a piece of that is  the rod that you are using to fight these fish are appropriately sized. Right. So that's why you're talking about Yeah. If you're chasing truly large mahi, truly large roosters, you size up to the 12 weight so you can fight them more responsibly. 

Yeah, of course. Nobody wants to be undergo like, it's going to hurt more the fish and it's going to hurt more. You like, yeah. Nobody wants to fight the fish more than an, I mean, I fight dorados with a 12, way more, like almost an hour, and that's.

Yeah. That wasn't well. Yeah. Mm-hmm. With the 10 weight, it will be like even worse. Yep.  

So do yourself a favor and use the right size rod for the, for the fish you're chasing, right? Yeah. Yeah, completely. All right. So if an angler makes a trip down with a non-fishing partner, is there much for the partner to do there?

Oh yeah, Baja. This part of Baja offer a lot of different activities. While most of the people love Baja because incredible beaches and relaxation,  there are a lot of another opportunities, like you have great diving places. Stand up, paddle bike tour ATVs, swimming with the fields, whale watching, like there are great little towns not far away from, where we are located.

I have great art. The food all, all down there is amazing. So it's everything that you may ever ask for. Yeah. 

Is it, does it feel like you're out there by yourself essentially? You know, is there a lot of other folks out on the water there or are you able to get away from people? 

So  that's an important question because you eventually will see other anglers. Like year after year, baja is getting more known for the d a y angler and you definitely see more ATVs on the beach and, and people that come to fish surf fishing also very starting to get like very important here. I think one of the rules that. Every angler should apply if they are chasing roosters. It's if you see an angler is in front of a bait ball, because it happened to me several times.

If you are waiting in front of a bait ball for a fish to come, you can be waiting the whole day. But if that happens, you have one shot. And if people come and they see the same  weight ball just. Don't get in the middle. Don't start throwing your lures and your surf  fishing poles to get one fish first because they are not there.

Secondly, because you need to respect the guy that came before, before you. And I usually, if I see other angle that is fishing nearby, I like to have like 200 yards or 300 yards  distance, from one to another. If they're following a rooster, for example, from the beach. And they are casting and casting and casting, and they already traveled the 300 yards.

Okay? That now that's your turn because I have the chance to follow that fish for 300 yards  didn't make it , to eat. You lost your turn, leave it to the other guy that is waiting patiently for the same fish. So that's how I like to, approach things here , in Baja. 

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

It's hard having to share beautiful water like that, but it's important that we do because that's, the only way that we're gonna get to fish headed into the future, you know? Definitely, definitely. There's, it's not like there's gonna be less people. There's gonna be more people, so we need to learn how to get along out there on the water.

Definitely. 

Well, Thank you for such a great conversation. Santiago, we've only got two more questions. I want to hear a little bit about the hotel, where you put people up that you work closely with, and then I've got one more question for you after that. 

So, it's a friend of mine he opened a, very nice hotel. He is located in la it's called Ventana, blue Hotel Boutique. And it's very good, like you have six amazing places. For every angler to stay. You also have villas. If they want to rent a villas, they have amazing swimming pools. You have activities, you, it's the only place in LA that owns brand new ATVs that if you want to rent, they come with surf fishing pools, that if you want to tease some rooster from the beach, they are going to be in handy.

So , it's a very nice place what I like is, it's not a massive hotel, you know,  like other places. So I  like that you can give the personalization for every angler because it's kind of small, but it's the right size for a group of angles, you know? 

Sure. Well you've got plenty of hospitality experience, right?

So Yes. I'm sure you, put a lot of thought into that. Yes. When you were. Getting things ready. Exactly, exactly. I'm sure it's been really well thought out. 

Exactly. , that's, what I am proud of. Yeah. Because I know from luxury like what people should have and, and, and we try to make the best for it.

I think that's a awesome opportunity there's no way that people are not gonna hear about you and come down there. So I'm looking forward to getting to do that myself, hopefully in the next few months. That would be awesome.  So I did think of one more question.

We were doing great on time, so I've got one additional question after this one. So, other than tipping, What is one thing that an angler that fishes with you can do to make your job better or easier? 

I think just listen to our indications. Listen to your guide. We spend most of the time on the water and we know the different fish behavior, so our goal is for you to have the fish of a lifetime. That's our goal. And make this trip unforgettable. So listen to us because we want to make that happen. 

Well, we are gonna hear that a million times in this podcast, and it's gonna be the truest thing you've ever heard every single time we hear it. So get ready for that, folks. One last thing that I did wanna talk about, so we talked about traveling with rods and we talked about general thinking, misconceptions about traveling to the Baja area.

Why don't we talk a little bit about how we can make some of that travel a little bit easier? Do you have any travel tips for folks coming down, et cetera? 

Yeah. I mean, when, you enter to Mexico here to Baja, you are only allowed to bring four roads, angular, and rails of course. If you have five or six, you can say that those roads were from your friend that just passed the airport.

Most of the times you won't have any trouble, but it's something to consider. And if you are going back to the United States, when you are going back, you need the, roads to be checked in because when you enter to Mexico, you don't have any travel , if you carry them on the Korean, but when you are leaving to the United States, yes, you need to check them in, the luggage.

Yeah, 

that's, that's a good tip. That's a good tip. Yeah. I've experienced that myself and I can definitely confirm that that is the way to do it. Otherwise it becomes a hassle and we don't, we don't want travel hassle. We want to have as smooth the trip as possible, so. Exactly. Well, Santiago, it's been so fun talking to you and hearing about the fishery down there.

I look forward to getting to come down myself, and I have no doubt that you're gonna have a few interested parties after folks listen to this as well. You've done a great job of. Telling us about some of the skills that we need to know, things we need to practice ahead of time and we look forward to follow along in your success.

Absolutely. If they want to contact us. My business is called gli Baja. We offer fly fishing packages we fish from by las. If you want to learn more about us, you can reach us in on Instagram. We are gli Baja. We also have an email that you can contact us is an GLENBARK gmail.com. We are also , on Facebook.

We still , don't have , the website up and running, but this summer is going to be up  so, We are so new that we we don't even have the, website yet, but That's 

all right. That's all right. They can get in contact through email and I'll have all this in the show notes as well, so they'll have direct access to you.

Yeah. We, we proud ourselves in providing Personalized experience for each and every one of our clients. So we encourage you to reach out to us directly so we can plan your dream fly fishing trip to. , I hope you can join us and experience this incredible fishery with us.

It has been great talking to you, and I hope to share some water together soon. Guidelines to everybody and remember, an is ready for your next adventure. 

Nice. Thanks Santiago. Take care.