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Brenton
This is further a weekly show for the people of Harmony Bible Church, where we seek to revisit and expand on Sunday sermons with the goal of growing deeper in biblical truth that transforms our lives. Welcome back to further Britten Grimm. And here again with me is Chris Carr. How's it going? Good.

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Chris
Glad to be here. Looking forward to talking about this passage from Sunday.

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Brenton
Yeah, we're kind of getting into the meat of what you and many others consider the best chapter in the Bible. How has it been for you? Do you feel like you've been able to to see this passage with fresh eyes? Have you as you've been going through it?

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Chris
Well, I would say yes. This passage that we covered on Sunday, I think I definitely saw it with fresh eyes because I really probably never focused on it a whole lot. When you come to Romans eight. You almost automatically are going to focus on the passage. We're looking at this coming Sunday, 26 through 30. And I spent a lot more time in that passage.

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Chris
And so what we looked at on Sunday, yeah, I feel like I went to a much deeper level than I really ever have before. So it's really great just for me personally.

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Brenton
Yeah. Good. All right. You said about suffering that it often increases when we become a Christian. Why is that?

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Chris
I think there are a number of reasons. Maybe the first that comes to mind is now we're on the devil's team anymore, if I can put it that way. And so no longer or his children, no longer are we his friend. Now we're children of God and Satan hates God. And so he naturally is going to hate those who are his children.

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Chris
And I think one of the primary ways, if not the primary way, the devil tries to attack God because he can't attack him directly. You know, he's just not no competition, so to speak. He goes after those who are God's. And so I think there's there's that I think that now we become aware of our battle with sin.

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
And so that becomes I'm not saying that we didn't battle with it before, but we become aware of it. And the Holy Spirit, you know, prompts us and convicts us and so that that is going to cause us to be some suffering that goes along with that. And so I see that those are probably the two primary reasons.

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Chris
And then it would seem also, you know, Paul talks in Colossians chapter one about how he's filling up the sufferings of Christ, which is interesting. You read that at the end of chapter one and you're like, Is he saying that Jesus suffering wasn't sufficient and Jesus didn't suffer enough? And that's not what Paul's saying. What Paul is saying is, is that in order for people to hear about Christ's suffering, it's going to require me and really, I think by implication, all of God's people to suffer so that other people can hear about Christ's suffering.

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Chris
So that makes sense. And I explain that. Well, it's so so he so again, he says, I'm filling up the sufferings of Christ, and I really believe what he means there is like, I'm I'm going to have to suffer if people are going to hear about how crisis suffered. And so the the spread of the gospel message, which is a message that's ultimately about Christ's suffering in our place, God has designed it, I guess, in such a way that it's going to require suffering of God's people in order to get that message out.

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Chris
But I think that's also one of the primary ways the gospel has spread, is that as people have been willing to suffer for the sake of the gospel, it has resonated deeply with, and it's given a great testament to the Gospels truthfulness that people are willing to to suffer and to die for its sake.

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Brenton
So, yeah, that's a that's a really interesting perspective. I think also going back to your to your second point there about, you know, the more we are sanctified, there are, in a way, kind of consequences to that, where we we see our sin more and it it affects us in a in a deeper way. It it it you know, it has more of an effect on us than it would have in the past.

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Brenton
Maybe things that we were doing that we just didn't even realize were a problem in our life is now something that we hate. Yeah. And so, yeah, that can cause turmoil.

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Chris
Yes. And something that we maybe will get to more throughout this conversation. But there's a book by a guy by the name of Paul Miller called The J Curve. So Paul Miller also wrote The Praying Life, which is a book we talked about quite a bit several years ago. But this book, The J Curve, is where he he talks about how the the whole kind of direction of the Christian life is one of death and resurrection.

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Chris
So obviously, J stands for Jesus, but Jesus died and went down and then up death and resurrection. And then we follow Jesus in his death and resurrection. So we have to die. And as we die, then obviously that produces resurrection. But that's not only a one time thing, certainly as a one time thing, but that is the overall pattern of the Christian life.

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Chris
And Jesus talks about in John 12, He uses this illustration where he says, Unless a grain of wheat dies, that remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. And so just like any seed has to first die in order to produce life and to bear fruit. And Jesus was talking about himself in that passage. So he's he's looking forward to his death and how that would produce the ultimate fruit.

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Chris
But again, where to take from that that we follow in his steps?

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Brenton
Yeah. Good. The the response from kind of the prosperity word of faith movement tends to come up in conversations about suffering. And their their message is typically that someone is suffering because they lack faith or because, you know, they're being punished for something that they that they did. What's what's your response to that in just in view of suffering in general?

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Chris
I don't know if I can say the word damnable on the part. I guess what I'm going to I think it's a damnable heresy. And let me explain why I've been so strong there. One, I think it devastates people's faith because it's not the experience of Christ of of Christians that when they come to faith and as they express faith that the suffering goes away.

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Chris
And sometimes it does. Sometimes God certainly does, does heal us. And God does work in miraculous ways. And it maybe even happens more often than we think it does. But the reason I'm so strong here is that I think a lot of people's faith has been, I don't want to say ruined, but it's certainly been affected deeply because they, you know, they thought that if I just have enough faith that this pain is going to go away or my marital problems going to go away or my challenges at my job are going to go away.

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Chris
And God has oftentimes has a different plan. And we're going to talk about that this week or we get the 26 through 30. And so then they begin to question, you know, they question their do. Do I truly faith, faith, do I truly believe and so I think it's it's harmful to people. And then ultimately, though, it's just the Bible teaches really the exact the exact opposite.

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Chris
And over and over again, we're told. So I mean, just one example here. And there are a lot, especially from this this letter in the New Testament for Peter, a lot about suffering. But chapter four, well, he says, Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you though something strange were happening to you.

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Chris
In other words, we we shouldn't be surprised when trials come on us and we should be expecting it. It should be the norm. And I think it would be really helpful for us to understand this if we even go back to our passage from last week, if we understand what's going on in the world and kind of the whole cosmic picture of the fall when things go normal or well, that's not actually normal.

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Chris
We should be we should in some ways be surprised that things because of the fall are prone to go bad and they're prone to go wrong. And when they go normal, it actually is what we would say normal when they go well, it's actually because of God's grace.

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
Yeah. God actually prevents the world from falling apart. If it wasn't for God's grace, the world would literally fall apart and we'd all be suffering, you know, in terrible ways all the time, you know? So I'm I'm hitting a lot of different things here, but I just I don't think it's even the example that we have for literally anybody in scripture.

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Chris
No, no. Where do we see that if that person just has enough faith, all of a sudden the suffering goes away and just, you know, use job for an example. Here's the guy who, from everything that the Bible itself says, was a very godly man and a very faithful and faith filled man. And yet he just suffered one blow after another.

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Chris
And you could just go through the old I mean, even the Saints in the Old Testament, you know, Joseph and you go through Abraham, you can go through the prophets as a great example, most of the prophets suffered exceptionally. And then you go into the New Testament and you get the same story. And the ultimate example, of course, is Jesus, right?

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Chris
And he's our example. And yet Jesus, of course, had perfect faith, and yet that did not save him from suffering.

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Brenton
It's a fair point.

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Chris
So I just I think we like the we like the prosperity gospel to be true in some ways, Right. That if we have enough you know, if I had enough faith, my, you know, life would be daisies and roses, you know, And.

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Brenton
Well, it gives us some somewhat of some power and some control in in things that a lot of times we don't have control over. I mean, there's a lot of instances of suffering that we are completely powerless of. I mean, we dealing with things in our church now that there's there's just tough things going on that people are out of their out of control.

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Brenton
And I think anything to to kind of feel like you get that control back in your life would be, yeah, maybe comforting.

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Chris
Maybe my final word on this would be is I think for anyone, this idea of if you have enough faith, you're going to prosper will fall apart part at some point in your life. Mm hmm. If not multiple points in your life and the people who are proponents of this, many of them are making a lot of money off of great harm that's done to to other people.

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Chris
Right. And eventually we're all going to suffer. And no amount of faith that we have that is we're not going to is going to prevent that from happening. Yeah.

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Brenton
Yeah. As we're going to see in the next 2 to 3 weeks, I forget how things line up. But in verse 36, he, he's quoting and he says, For your sake, we are being killed all the day long. We are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered. And this is this is Paul writing to to his church, who sure has a lot of faith.

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Chris
Right. Right. And yeah. And so, you know, there's another side to this which we'll get we'll get to hear this coming Sunday. So there's another part to this is that faith is important. And God, I want to be really clear so I really understand is like we can pray in faith believing that God is hearing and we can we can pray and in and with great hope that God is going to work.

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Chris
And there are certainly times and oftentimes where God does answer the prayers directly as we've asked them. And we should expect that God can do exceedingly, abundantly above all that we ask or think.

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
That's Ephesians three.

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Brenton
Yeah. Verse 23 talks about it's not just nature that groans for redemption, but but it's us to how do we distinguish between, you know, proper groaning for, for something better and complaining. What separates those two?

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Chris
Mm hmm. Well, I should clarify a little bit here that it's actually not wrong to complain if we're complaining to God and that there's a difference between complaining and grumbling. So the you know, we talk about lament. Basically, the biblical word for lament means to complain. That's and so, you know, we have a whole book of Lamentations. Jeremiah is complaining to to God, but he's he's complaining to God not about God.

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Chris
And I think grumbling is grumbling about our circumstances. And ultimately underneath of that were some grumbling about God. And he's not being good. He's not being faithful. He's not coming through. And so at the same time, I think the Bible does encourages us to take our complaints to to him directly to him and say, this isn't right. This is not fair.

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Chris
This is hurt. The spirit. Why I don't understand. And the Bible, honestly and specifically, I would just take you to the Psalms and there are there more complaint slash, lament, Psalms than than any other type of song. And they're there Psalms in which the Solness are complaining to God. Why? Why? How long? Oh, Lord. There's the one, I think it's Psalm 89 where this, this almost literally ends with darkness is my only friend, period.

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Chris
That's the end of the song. So he's that's a complaint, but it's a it really is. And I think this is so important. Are you moving toward God with your complaint or away from it? And if you're moving away from that, it's grumbling. And that's that's what we want to avoid. But but here's what we also want to avoid.

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Chris
We want to avoid doing nothing. And it's much better to complain to God than to do nothing. Because then the great thing about this Solness and even that Psalm 89 is that he's talking to God even in this darkness. And I think it's fair to call it depression. It's not despair, it's. And one of the reasons why this almost are complaining and him in particular is, is because he he he's like, God, this is not this is not how things should be.

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Chris
This is not the way the world should be. This is not how I believe that you truly operate in this world. So it's out of actually faith that he's complaining. So.

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Brenton
Yeah, yeah. And I think just to pull something else out of your your sermon that I think is relevant here is the groaning that we see in, in Romans eight. And you, you pointed out is there's eagerness in there. There's there's and I guess how he ends this section of of of the text is with hope. And so if we see our groaning are kind of unsettled unsettling over over circumstances if we see that that is bringing us to hope in something greater and something better, I think that that is a proper way of dealing with it.

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Brenton
So in in that light verse 24 talks a lot about hope. Could you kind of give us a biblical definition of the word and maybe compare it to how we typically use it?

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Chris
So the word, interestingly enough, the basic meaning this is playing off of what you just said is expectation.

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Brenton
Okay. Yeah.

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Chris
And I would go a little further and call it comfort and expectation. So we're expecting something, which means we want it. There's that eagerness, but we're confident that it's going to it's actually going to take place. It's not something that we're we're questioning. So, you know, the way that we typically use it is like wish like, I wish, wish.

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Chris
I'm wishing, you know.

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Brenton
Bears are going to win this weekend. Yeah.

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Chris
And that's yeah, that's not much of a hope at all, especially since they're playing the Chiefs. But we use that when we use the word hope. Most of the time it's because. Oh, I hope so. And it's not a lot of times and not a lot of confidence that that's going to take place. And it's it really is, which I think is the best way to describe it in the Bible.

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Chris
Hope is a confident expectation ocean And we can go to maybe the most famous verse on this is Hebrews 11 one. Now, faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. So think about that. If we take the word hope, there is is expectation, he says. Now faith is the assurance of things expected.

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Chris
And so faith and hope go hand in hand. They're not the same thing, but they're they're they're they're pretty well linked. And I don't think you get one without the other that when we have faith in Jesus Christ, then we have the confident expectation in that what God has promised is going to be true. There's a great passage in the first Corinthians is the first or second, and my mind's blank here where.

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Brenton
He said, Good, these five would be my God.

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Chris
No, it's nothing. Corinthians Chapter five Where but where? Paul says that all of God's promises are yes in Christ and so you think about that is with along with with faith and hope is our faith is in Jesus Christ. And our hope is that all of God's promises, our confidence, expectation and all that God has promised is yes, has been fulfilled and will be fulfilled in Jesus.

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Brenton
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's important to to realize as we read this, it's not the way Paul is talking here is not a man. I hope this is true. It's it's no, I have hope because of Christ that these things are going to come to pass. Yeah. And so, yeah, two very different ways of looking at that.

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Brenton
Yeah. Four verse 17 and 18. You, you said that suffering and our future glory are inseparable and incomparable. And it got me thinking about the other side of this and likely what distracts us from our future glory. And that's pleasures. It reminded me of a book by C.S. Lewis called The Weight of Glory. And I actually went back and read through this the sermon yesterday and I think you've actually used this quote before.

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Brenton
But in the book, he says, It would seem that our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half hearted creatures fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea.

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Brenton
We are far too easily pleased. Would you agree that that at least part of the reason we don't value our future glory enough is because of the pleasures that we chase in this life?

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Chris
Can I just say yes?

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Brenton
Yeah.

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Chris
To that end, that's great.

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Brenton
For sure. So, okay, my follow up question to that then is how do we increase in ourselves our desire for future glory?

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Chris
Mm hmm. That's a great question. First, I want to say nobody quite puts it like C.S. Lewis, right? I mean, what a gift.

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Brenton
For this gift for.

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Chris
Words there. And the second I would say that it's been very clear to me that in numerous times of suffering in my own life, that and I really think the Holy Spirit just moved me on on this point is like one of the things that God is trying to do is he is is trying to loosen the grip of worldly pleasures on you and he's he's trying to make you hungrier for home, so to speak.

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Chris
He's trying to remind you that your citizenship is in heaven. It's it's not ultimately here on Earth. And I think that's actually one of the blessings of suffering. I know it may sound strange for me to say the blessings of suffering, but there are blessings in suffering. And one of the things they can do is they can you know, it can help us to be.

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Chris
Well, Paul talks about this an inside the chapter for the in chapter four is like we need to look at the things that are seen, the things that are unseen rather than the things that are seen. Because the things that are seen are transient, the things that are unseen are eternal. And I do think that one of the primary reasons that God allows suffering into our lives is because it helps us to take our eyes off of the here and the now and to get our eyes redirected towards home.

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Chris
So one of my answers to your question of how we increase in ourselves a desire for future glory is that when suffering comes, that first of all, we learn not to be surprised at it. That's the that's the first. Peter Chapter four. And then the other one is that we recognize that, okay, this trial is coming. I'd rather not.

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Chris
But God has good purposes and he has good intentions and there are going to be good things that he wants to do. And really ultimately will do for me in and through it. So there's that. I don't know if you want to follow up on that. I've got another thing or two before. Yeah. I think one of the big ways is that we've we've got to we've got to remind ourselves about this.

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Chris
And I tried to this wasn't just for a state of purposes on Sunday, but I do think we've got to do things like let's look at the sky and let's think about what's going to happen. And in that in that sky. Yeah, I mean, Lewis was also a master, you know, of using nature as a way to illustrate, you know, biblical truths, maybe the, the master in that.

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Chris
But when we see, you know, it's that time of year where there's a lot of dead deer going to be lying on the road. And I don't make light of this at all. And I'm not. But okay, that death and decay of does remind us to sad and there's come in a day where that's not going to be the case or we have you know, pets that that die and there's going to be you know that's the reason hold the fall.

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Chris
It helps us understand the big picture. But creation's groaning and yet there's going to be a day where it's not going to grow anymore. But I think, like I end with eagerness and an endurance and that eagerness is really, really important in the way that we build our eagerness, I think, is is by taking our minds over and over again and reminding ourselves and with others, too, that about the truth about what we've got coming for us.

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Chris
And I think this is also another reason why we need to understand more and more and why progressively been trying to unfold this for our church over the last several years is us to get a better vision for what heaven truly is. Because the more that we understand what heaven the future state is like, the more we're going to get excited about what's coming.

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Chris
It's hard to get excited over what's come in if you don't really know what's coming or if you have the wrong dim view of it.

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Brenton
Right. And I think that's probably a conversation we could spend a lot of time in. I think the, you know, the biblical narrative about heaven is is kind of confusing. And it kind of struck me again as as I was reading this Lewis book. But I mean, just the view of like, you know, clouds and jewelry and crowns and like all these things that are you know, they're they're tangible things that we have on Earth but really don't have they don't hold any any special place in our heart like how it's described.

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Brenton
And so, like what I guess my my kind of I don't know if I'm asking you rhetorical question is like what What about heaven Should should excite us. Like what? What are we what are we looking forward to? And I think I think that that answer has to be the presence of God. It can't be necessarily like primarily even the end ending of suffering.

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Brenton
I think that's important. But but there's so much more there that, you know, it needs to be a continuation of our of our life here, that our life has to to sit under Christ. Right. And that needs to be what drives us toward looking at heaven.

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Chris
Yeah. So that's a really good point. So reason why you are the host of this podcast, so let me read a passage a little bit longer than we normally do here that that I think is going to bring hopefully all of this together. So Isaiah 25 and as I say this, I just need to be clear that there are some different views about exactly when what I'm about to read is going to happen and what that's going to be like.

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Chris
But I think here's what we can say that this is this is what the future is going to going to look like. And so Isaiah five or so I'm sorry, I say 25 or six on this mountain, the Lord of Hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food for marrow, of aged well of aged wine, well refined.

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Chris
Sounds really, really good. That's a feast. A great meal in verse seven. And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death forever, and the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces and the reproach of His people. He will take away from all the earth.

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Chris
The Lord has spoken. So that is the, you know, the enjoyment piece of it that is the death is gone, as you were just talking about. But then here's what you were highlighting at the end. It will be said on that day, Behold, this is our God. We have waited for him, that he might save us. This is the Lord.

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Chris
We have waited for him. Let us be glad and rejoice in his salvation. And so what Isaiah ends with there isn't, you know, there's going to be pleasures, okay, of physical pleasures, although there will be. It's not going to be that simply death and pain and sorrow is is over, although they will be, but that the ultimate joy will be being with our God.

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Chris
Yeah, the God that we have waited for. There's that expectation that we have long for. And if we go to the end of the Bible revelation, you know, 20 and 21, we we see essentially the same thing is that, you know, God is now with his people again. So there's no more pain, there's no more tears, there's no more sorrow.

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Chris
All of that is there. It's glorious. It's a new earth renewed. But ultimately, what what what this all is about is now we're restored. We're with God again. And what Adam and Eve ultimately lost in the garden and we've lost along with them is the presence of God. And what we regained through Christ is were brought back to God for Peter.

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Chris
316 for Christ suffer once the righteous for the unrighteous that He might bring us to God. So we're brought back to God and in our future glory is the future glory of where we fully experience life with God, without any of the effects of sin.

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Brenton
It's really good. Well, as we look forward to next week, you want to give us a kind of a short preview of what we see in this next chunk?

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Chris
Yeah. So this is probably my favorite passage in all of Romans and it's one that means a whole lot to me, both personally and then also theologically and minister early. And it's a pretty famous passage where Paul talks about how God works all things together for good for those who love him. Those are called according to his purpose.

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Chris
In the big picture we're going to talk about is there are two things that we learn from versus 26 or 30 about suffering. And one is that the Holy Spirit helps us in our suffering. And I think that's going to be a huge encouragement to us. It's something that I don't think most of us think about too much.

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Chris
And then the last part is that, again, God works all things together for our good, which means that he always uses suffering for our good. But we're going to talk in depth about how we can know that that is the case. And you know that's the case because of what has been called the the golden chain of salvation and those God for new the predestined to be conformed to the image of a son and those whom he predestined.

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Chris
He also called in those he called he justified those who he justified. You also glorified. And so God's got it from beginning to end. It's going to be fantastic. I'm praying and hoping that the Lord is going to do great things through it. And when I say hoping, I have confident expectation that he's going to do so.

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Brenton
Good use of the word. All right. Well, thanks for joining us and thank you, Chris. We'll talk to you next week.