Tried & True With A Dash of Woo
This podcast is about integrating tried and true strategies that we know actually work - in life, business, self-help; with the science of unconscious programming & the magic of manifestation. I’m a certified life and business coach and a professional photographer who built a multiple six figure business with a degree in Psychology while being a mom to three little kids. I had zero business training, so I dug in, learned the methods and now I’m passing that all onto you! I’m a self described brain geek and have certifications in things like RRT, NLP, Neuro-encoding and Amen clinic brain training and I’m always interested in hearing what you have to say on the topic of brain rewiring too. In this podcast, our conversations range from photography how to’s, systems and business strategies to more woo-woo stuff like energy healing, human design & the basics of manifestation - because well, I’m just kind of all over the place. I know that most creative entrepreneurs ARE a little neuro-spicy so I want to fire up your super charged brains and show you what’s possible.
Tried & True With A Dash of Woo
Mastering the Multi‑Potentialite Mindset with Taylor Aller
Today, Taylor Aller shares her journey as a multi-potentialite who built a six-figure business without social media, revealing how to balance multiple passions without burnout through strategic planning and alignment with core values - and you're gonna love it!
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• The key to managing multiple passions: "Don't do everything at once and don't do it by yourself"
• How Taylor has thrived without social media since 2019, proving it's possible for most businesses
• The transformative "hummingbird revelation" that helped Taylor overcome burnout and shame
• Why multi-passionate people need to "stop playing the specialist game" and create their own success metrics
• Using reverse engineering to plan strategically while honoring your many interests
• The Make It Happen Planner Method for multi-potentialites to achieve goals without overwhelm
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But I think for most businesses you could find a way to get creative around it. And if you think about it, it was only like a sneeze ago in the timeline of humanity that there was no social media and there were successful businesses. And there were successful businesses even in the online world before social media really started to boom and blossom. And there's lots of businesses now that are successful that are not on social media.
Speaker 2:Welcome to Tried and True with a dash of woo, where we blend rock solid tips with a little bit of magic. I'm Renee Bowen, your host, life and business coach and professional photographer at your service. We are all about getting creative, diving into your business and playing with manifestation over here. So are you ready to get inspired and have some fun? Let's dive in. If you're listening to this podcast, chances are you are creative and you probably have felt or maybe you're feeling like this right now that you're torn between a million creative ideas, excited by all of them, but also worried that you'll never be able to get it all done without losing your mind. Yeah, if that's you, you're not alone. But what if I told you you could build a thriving, fulfilling, profitable business without the burnout, without the overwhelm and also without having to be chained to social media at all, if that's your choice?
Speaker 2:My guest today is Taylor Aller, and we are going to talk all about these things. Taylor is a small town girl and all about that multi-potentialite life. She is a six-figure entrepreneur, a TEDx speaker, a massage therapist, an educator and a consultant. She's based in British Columbia and she's the co-founder of the P2P Summit, and she's always up for something fun. She's also a mom of two little ones and she and I met inside of a really amazing mixer mind, and I'm also going to be participating in her upcoming panel in April that I'm going to tell you guys all about we talk about in today's episode. Taylor is bringing together a whole bunch of us multi-potentialites and it's going to be a really amazing panel you guys are definitely going to want to tune into.
Speaker 2:When she's not balancing multiple projects or strategizing new ways to support her clients, you can find Taylor soaking up all of the beauty of the Pacific Northwest with her small family. She's got lots of great nuggets for you guys in this conversation, so let's just dive right in. Hey, Taylor, Okay, so you describe yourself as a multi-potentialite balancing lots of projects which we're going to dig into along with your family, your kids, all the things, and it's a lot that us creatives can identify with. I deeply resonate with all of that, and it can also lead to burnout, so I want to just start off by asking you, first of all, thanks for being here and, second of all, I want to start by asking you how you do all this without burnout and without using social media.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for having me, renee. I'm so excited to chat with you. It's been so fun getting to introduce each other to each other's worlds and, yeah, thanks for having me. So, yeah, I do a lot of things, but if I were to boil it down into one sentence about how I do it all without burning out because I get that question all the time is that I don't do everything at once and I don't do it by myself. If both of those boxes are not checked, it will lead to burnout. In my experience, it certainly has. And social media oh, do I have a spicy relationship with social media.
Speaker 1:I've been off social media, personally and professionally, since 2019. So we're going on like six years now and business is still thriving. I'm still thriving. Family's still thriving. We've popped on, I think collectively, four times in the last six years to announce that we're pregnant and to announce each baby. That's it, and that's only after. Of course, we've let all of our you know intimate friends and family know. But yeah, it's been quite a wild ride. I'm sure we're going to pull it apart, but ultimately not doing it all at the same time and not doing it by yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a really good point, Cause it's kind of one of the things I like to say to people is like, yeah, you can do all the things right, but probably not at once. Especially like if you're, there's a lot of different things that overlap. So what was like a turning point for you where you realized there's a better and a healthier way to achieve my goals.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. Yeah, there's actually a very specific moment and I talk about this in my Ted talk actually where I had hit massive burnout. I was simultaneously trying to be a specialist in like three different areas. I was a professional level hip hop dancer. I was traveling internationally like six to 10 times a year, competing. I was a registered massage therapist working at a clinic, practicing out of a clinic, I think, like five to seven days a week. I was just starting my career as an educator. I was being a teaching assistant for like four different classes at the college, all while trying to do this at the same time.
Speaker 1:And I recently got engaged and was planning a wedding and we got a dog, a rescue dog If anybody here rescues dogs, you know it's just a roll of the dice and our Luna was a challenge. So it was all of it. It was all of it all at once and I'm kind of laughing about it and poking fun now that I've had many years since then, but in all honesty, it was probably one of the lowest points of my life. I was having incredible digestive and health issues. I was having massive mental health issues. We were huge amounts in debt. It was just not fun all the way around, and I was running myself into the ground and there was a day that I, like could not physically get out of bed and I was like this is awful. And I don't know if anybody listening has had that moment where you've just hit the wall and you're like I don't know if I'm ever going to be able to get up, like what have I done? And I knew it was all my fault, you know, and I'm going through this shame spiral. So, needless to say, I'm doing what I do to cope, and that is like falling down the YouTube rabbit hole. So I'm there with the like satisfying art compilations and, like the cat and dog videos, like trying to find some semblance of peace, and I'm really having a hard time.
Speaker 1:And I stumbled across a video that had Elizabeth Gilbert. She's the author of Eat, pray, love, big Magic. You know she's fantastic and she was doing a talk about finding your passion, like finding the thing that lights you up, and I was like man, like I'm sitting there struggling, like I thought I found my passion, and like I have 14 of them and like oh, like, which one is the one? I'm trying to do all of them, and like it's not working and I'm trying to do them all at the same time and I'm trying to do this all by myself and I'm keeping everything separated. I'm doing, quote unquote, what I'm supposed to be doing and this feels terrible and I'm not successful. I'm a failure right now.
Speaker 1:And then she said something in that video that changed my life forever and she ultimately boiled it down to there's two types of people in the world. There are jackhammers, which are specialists. They are people who know what they want to do from like the moment they exit the womb. And she is a jackhammer. She's like I knew from a little girl I just wanted to write. Everything was in the service of writing. I would waitress to write, I would do these things to write. That's all I ever wanted to do. And then she was confused, like why doesn't everybody else have this thing? And when she was looking around her she realized, ah, there's a second type of person. So type of person. So, outside of the jackhammer, there's the hummingbird. And the hummingbird their job is to cross-pollinate the world. Instead of having incredible depth of knowledge, they have a breadth of knowledge. They have half degrees started businesses, international living and pursuits and all of those people around her were those hummingbirds.
Speaker 1:And in that moment I was like, oh my God, finally, that's me, I'm a hummingbird. And I was like sobbing, ugly crying. I called my husband. I'm like, babe, I'm a hummingbird. And he's like if you're a bird, I'm a bird, like the notebook thing. I was like no, not quite Like you know, kind of sort of. But anyways, when I calmed down the snot enough to explain what I was talking about, he was like no, like you're a hummingbird with a jackhammer. Because I'm a full asser, like there's no half-assing allowed. I jump in with both cheeks, yeah, everyday, you too.
Speaker 1:So, anyways, that was the moment I was like hitting this burnout and I realized I'm a hummingbird and what that realization gave me really was permission to stop trying to live outside of myself. Like nothing felt right. I knew it didn't feel right. I kept trying to push through it and it just wasn't working. And that moment opened my eyes to like, wow, there's a whole other way of living. So that turned the momentum in the other direction and I started, you know several year journey of finding a multi-potentialite, multi-passionate community, finding the resources, the books, experimenting with different business models and trying to structure my life experimenting with different planning and strategy models and I finally kind of cracked the code a few years ago now. And now I help other people do the same thing and it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:Ah, your story is so awesome. Like I absolutely I mean I'm not awesome in the fact that you, you know, felt so terrible, I don't mean that but I think that it's awesome in a way that I think a lot of us can identify with I know I can for sure, and I've actually never heard her speak about that. Like that's so fascinating to me because, yeah, you know, my husband's one of those jackhammer, like he basically at seven, told his parents I want to be an actor at seven, you know like who does that? And I remember when we met we were in our twenties and it was like one of our first conversations that we had and he was telling me this and I just looked at him like he was an alien and I was like, okay, here I am with like my degree in psychology, I'm a massage therapist.
Speaker 2:You and I have that in common yes, we do. And I was like, and I want to do like at least 500 other things, like I think I want to write a book, I think I want to do this, I think. And he was like, okay, and I just remember feeling like am I broken? Like why do I want to do all these things? And it's so interesting because I also have been in those places of like, yeah, a hummingbird with a jackhammer, because it's all or none, I'm going to go all in.
Speaker 2:And I think what you touched on is so universal for those of us who also are like that, that shame spiral of well, I didn't do it, perfect, I didn't do it all the way, and so obviously I'm a suck, I'm a failure, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:And that is a really hard place to get out of I have found.
Speaker 2:And so I kind of want to speak to that for a second, because I know a lot of people in my community are dealing with this and they may be in like various stages of this burnout and they may actually be in like physical stress burnout Cause I know that, you know it does take a toll on your body, like you said, like can't get out of bed and your body actually can shut down, like really big believer in that mind body connection, and I think that you are too as a massage therapist. You see it, you know we do hold things in our body and the body does keep the score not to quote the book, but it's true. So I want to kind of speak to that for a second, and I know that this is part of what you do and why you're passionate about teaching other people about this. If someone is in that place right now, right, what is one piece of advice, like what? What's the first step for them in that process of climbing?
Speaker 1:Oh, there was one. Yeah, I'm going to see if I can condense it into one sentence. Um, I think it would be. Firstly if, if you are in that place of burnout because you're like Renee and I and you were that that kiddo at two that was like, oh, I want to be 800 little things. And then that never changed, you know, and that never changed for me either. Like you know, I remember at 13 or 14, it was like, okay, Taylor, but what's the one thing like you can't, you can't actually do five different things, and I was like watch me and I did, and it led to like burnout, right, Multiple times.
Speaker 1:But if you are in that place of burnout because you have that same hummingbird nature, you have that same multi-potentialite stress, the first thing I would suggest is to stop playing the specialist game. Give yourself permission to not be the expert and to not do it the way that the world has structured success to look like. You know, embrace that part of you. It is not broken. You are not broken. There is nothing wrong with you. You have the potential of many different lives, not just one. And it's more about a strategy than it is about something being wrong with you, and for me, that's what that hummingbird video changed in me. I was like, wow, there is actually nothing wrong with me, Because I felt like there was.
Speaker 1:I felt like I was flaky, I felt like I didn't know what I was doing. I felt like I was confusing people all the time. I was confused all the time. You know, I got so many comments of like, oh, you're a lot, aren't you? Or like, what else are you doing? Oh, you didn't finish that. Oh, another thing. You quit, Like it was like no, no, I am not a failure, and how I want to live my life has to be done in a way that is strategic, and it took years for me to do that and to then finally have the success on the others, like you know, to be debt-free, to have an income, to have a family, to have that balance.
Speaker 1:It's like, oh, finally, and now I can go back and show all those people see, there is a way to do it. But it started with understanding that I am not broken. But it started with understanding that I am not broken. It is the structure and the system for success for entrepreneurs. That is only one dimensional and I am a three dimensional business owner and that means I had to do more work and craft my own way. But that didn't mean there was something wrong with me. It meant that there was something wrong with that system and that expectation.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's good. Yeah, no, it's a really big part of it. Right Is like giving yourself permission to just be you.
Speaker 1:That's all of you.
Speaker 2:Yes, like every piece and really embracing it. You know, I think that's why I one of my special interests is self-development, right, because, like I got that psychology degree, because at a very young age I was like what is going on with me and how can I find out more, and so I feel like a lot of, a lot of us really needed to probably hear that, right, like, give yourself the grace and let yourself off the hook to like to be you Also. You talk a lot about you blend strategy right goal setting Also. You talk a lot about you blend strategy right Goal setting, strategic goal setting specific with this intuition and flow, which are two things that a lot of people would think are polar opposites. But can you walk us through how you blend those two aspects in planning?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll walk you through like the high level of it, because what I do with my consulting clients all looks completely individual. Every multi-potentialite has such a unique puzzle of interests and their intersections are completely unique to them. So their blend of, like strategy and intuition or gut feeling, it's going to be different, to be different. But high level, I look a lot and we'll talk about this later. I'm sure the reverse engineering part of things, but it all starts with what your values and your priorities are, because, regardless of what your interests or passions may happen to be in this current season or maybe were in the previous season or going to be in the next season, your values and priorities are generally pretty stable, especially your values. So I always recommend starting there and that starts with like that gut feeling. Right, it is like what is truly important to me.
Speaker 1:If I had to narrow it down to like two or three things that I really value in this season of life, in the next 10 years of what I'm living, what would that be? Am I valuing my creativity? Am I valuing my autonomy? Am I valuing my family? My valuing my autonomy? Am I valuing my family, my health, my wealth? You know, what is it that I'm valuing and really pushing yourself to narrow it down which is very hard, uh to just two or three things, and that is that constant gut check, because if what you're doing is not in alignment with those values, you're never going to do it right. Or you're going to do it, you're going to half-ass it, or you're going to quit, or it's not going to work out, or this, it doesn't matter the strategy you apply on top of it. If it doesn't apply to your values, it's not going to be effective. And I'm all about being effective. So it starts there. It's listening to your heart and to your gut and figuring out what really matters to you and then building on your values. It's determining your priorities. So what is it that is a priority for you? And sometimes it's the same thing. I value my health and my health is a priority.
Speaker 1:But often, if I were to look back at the last three weeks to three months of somebody's calendar, they'll tell me their values and I'll look at their calendar and I'm like, wow, none of them have been a priority you know we'll see all these other things that sneak their way in there or things you feel like you quote unquote should be doing, like social media, for example, or like these other things, and they're not in alignment and that leads to a lot of that emotional stress or burnout. You know that constant fighting against that part of yourself. So that's where I would start. And then the strategy on top of that. It all kind of builds and stacks, but you need one step before the other. So start with your values, layer on your priorities for the next season. Then you really get to start to get creative with the strategies that you want to employ, with the different passions you have around that.
Speaker 2:Love. Yeah, no, that's a really big, important part, because people think that they're doing that right, like you said.
Speaker 1:Well, they start usually like the bottom up. They start with strategy first, and then they try to like, squeeze their priorities in, and then they're like, oh, is this in alignment with my values? Well, whatever, I have the perfect strategy. And it's like, oh, no that's not going to work.
Speaker 2:Well, you also mentioned the should right, like they think that they should be. Like you know, they think maybe social media or whatever should be a part of it, but at the heart of it is it is it really for you? And maybe haven't even. They haven't even stopped to really truly assess like what is right for them. I feel like that's very common. I see a lot in my coaching too is they're just sort of like doing what they've been taught or think they should be doing in order to have this. But again, like you said in the beginning, that sort of like system isn't meant for everybody and it's really important to like step back and get that awareness of what is actually important to you, because that's where it starts. So, yeah, I love that. And you have something I want to talk a little bit about your make it happen planner method. Is that part of this process as well?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's where it starts. It's listing out those values and your priorities and it's reverse engineering the next four years of your life. But the biggest chunk of it is figuring out your values and priorities because, like we said before, it doesn't matter what planning strategy you have or what app you're using, what tool you're using, you know. None of that matters unless it's in alignment first. So the biggest steps and like the meatiest part of it is determining that. Then you get to build the strategy off of it and then you get to plan it out.
Speaker 1:So it's not a scheduling tool, it's a planning tool. It is listing out those big goals, those big milestones you want to achieve in the next four years, because a lot can happen in four years. Right, you could have a kid or two, you could have a degree, you could move internationally a couple of times, you can start a business or two or three, like there's so many things that can happen in that period of time. But it's also short enough where you could think back to four years from now and you're like, oh yeah, that wasn't that long ago. So it's a nice digestible period of time, even though it feels long, and then it kind of whittles everything down into the next year. So it starts with that kind of high level four years, and then you figure out out your next best step, and then it keeps breaking it down from years to quarters, to months, and then you get to take it to your weekly planner and then however you want to schedule, it is your business, but you'll have the plan regardless. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's really similar to how I like just like I have something that I call the clarity method and that's that's very, very similar to that. It's like you got to know where you want to go. You got to get some clarity on like what that is, and then I'm all about reverse engineering. I don't know, maybe it's just the way our brains work, but it really like it feels really good to me to do that, and then you can get very granular with the now when you backtrack, like that.
Speaker 1:So that's a perfect word for it. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So let me ask you do you think that every entrepreneur, online entrepreneur or like every person is able to build a business off of social media right now? Like I just want your like sideways, take on that.
Speaker 1:Every, every business. No, because some businesses are centered around social media, right. So if I were to exclude that category or have that as a caveat, I would say that most businesses could if they wanted to, if it wasn't centered around their niche, right? If they weren't, you know, trying to be a content creator or something like that, where you would have no choice but to post that content somewhere, right? Or if they're being like a social media manager or something of that nature, or even a VA to a certain degree. But I think for most businesses, you could find a way to get creative around it and if you think about it, it was only like a sneeze ago in the timeline of humanity, there was no social media and there were successful businesses, and there were successful businesses even in the online world before social media really started to boom and blossom. And there's lots of businesses now that are successful that are not on social media, right. So I think it's also being strategic with how you do that and you can have social media be a part of your strategy.
Speaker 1:I don't personally do this, but some of my clients do, where social media is a part of their marketing and distribution channels. It's part of their funnels, but they aren't the ones that manage it, create it or do anything of it. They outsource it right. So there is a way to have a social media free existence or operating but still have that be a part of your business model. If that's required of you and your niche or if you want to have that as part of your puzzle, it's definitely an opportunity there. But that by no means disregards the opportunity to just have it not be a part of there at all. Yeah, I'm evidence of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean, you're one of a few people that I've just recently come into contact with and we both belong to a mixer mind and there's a few of you guys in there who don't use social, and you know I'm pretty chronically online, so you know, for me that's very different and I'm like, oh, that's so interesting. Now I don't just rely on social media. I definitely talk about there's lots and lots of other ways SEO and word of mouth and connection and all of those things really really matter. Email I use it as part of the system. I think it's really interesting that I've just recently come into contact with people who really don't use it at all, like you, and are still able to build these six figure plus businesses without it, and I love that you're finding a way to do that. It really shows that you're just in alignment to me. That's. That's what it feels like to me. It's like I mean, if social feels in alignment to you, okay, that's great, but I see a lot of people in in what I do who really really detest it like detest it and don't want to be on and so, and it also I feel like a lot of us creatives, a lot of us.
Speaker 2:You know, spicy brains, like I like to call us. We are very prone to the negativity out there as well. Like a lot of us are a little more sensitive, that can really really start to have a negative effect on just everything. I'm a big believer that how we feel it's going to show up in our business. If you feel really negative and your energy is really low and your frequency is really low, then how are you showing up for your business, for yourself, for your family? So if you're listening and that's something that resonates with you, I just kind of wanted to add that in that, there's a very big possibility that you can do this without it, or you can just get really creative with it and and at the end of the day, if, if what you need to do is outsource it, then there's a way to do that as well. There's always a solution in in in my mind. Like that's one of my I think one of my superpowers is like I'm going to find-.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say that I was like that is the superpower of the multi-potential light is like there is always like just give me 30 minutes to 30 days and I will come back with an answer.
Speaker 2:Literally, it's like I can dig into this. This is like so fun to me. Like I literally feel like it's fun and a challenge. So if you're having a hard time with that, you know there's other people who can help you do it too. Like sometimes you just need like somebody to brainstorm with, but I do believe that there's solutions to all of that. I want to talk a little bit about what are some of the things that you are doing right now. I want to talk about the panel that you're going to be doing in April, because I'm a part of it, but not not just because of that. I think it's such an amazing idea, so talk to me a little bit about how did you get that idea? What made you want to do this? You are so organized, by the way, like you guys understand. Like you know, she asked me to be a part of this and I was like yeah, absolutely. And I mean like it's all there, like I don't have any questions, like it's, you're so organized with everything. So how did that come about?
Speaker 1:Thank you for that compliment. I will take that. I haven't always been an organized person, so again, this comes with that strategy piece. When it's in alignment, it's there, but yeah, now, that's all I do. I'm so organized I think as a mom, you kind of have to be. Anyways, how did it all come about? It came about because it's the gap that I'm seeing and I have capacity at this moment now to fill it.
Speaker 1:So I'm all about it, right, I think the journey of being not on social media. There's so many pros that come with it, right, and we can all immediately they're right there at the front of our mind, right? Especially if, like you to circle back to what you said, renee if you're that person, that's like. I detest opening up Instagram. I detest looking at that, like, create a post button. I detest having to go into the DMs, like whatever that is. Of course, on the flip side, there's all those positives. I don't have the apps on my phone, I don't log into them, I don't have that time suck. I don't have that distraction. I don't feel negative about myself, my body, my kids, my husband, my house, like I do in other ways, but social media is not adding to that right. So you know all of those pros are there, but there are cons too.
Speaker 1:And there is a big con for me, particularly as an introvert, is that I make connections with people one-on-one and really deeply, and that's why not being on social media works for me, because I get to do that and that's a huge part of how I run my businesses. Like you said, referral marketing, affiliate marketing, email marketing you know all of these different things are a part of what I do. Network marketing is massive and then I leverage other connections too. But not being on social media, I'm missing out on that community at your fingertips of like, hey, has anybody used this app before? How do you use it? Oh, hey, does anybody have a referral connection for you know this city, this town, this state, this province, this country? Oh, hey, I'm traveling over here. Does anybody have any recommendations for this, this and that it is very challenging for me to get that kind of like pulse check. I have to do a lot of effort to be able to do that, whereas, like friends of mine, they're like oh, I'm just going to post up with a quick responses and I'm like, oh, my God, I have to like individually text, like all these people, or I have to call these people or I have to like toss it out to my email list. You know these types of things. So there's that big con and I know, as an introvert and somebody that has multiple passions, there's a lot of people just like me that are also struggling with that, and so I have two kiddos, a daughter who just turned four and my son's going to be two in less than a month, and I haven't had the capacity to fill this gap.
Speaker 1:When I first noticed it, it was about probably 18 months after I went off. Social media is when I really started to feel that loss of community and I was like, man, I really, really want to get back in that. But then I'm in the thick of having babies and I was like not right now, right, it's the whole. I can do anything I want, not all at once and not by myself. So that was that, not all at once. So after my son turned a year, around 18 months, I felt like, okay, yeah, I'm back on my feet again.
Speaker 1:I finished my mat leave, I went back to you know all the work that I was doing. I was like, okay, this is good. I think I have capacity to do this this year, and then joining the mixer mind, like we talked about, which is where I found you and so many other wonderful folks, but that really pushed me to go. Now is the time. Now I'm going to do this and I'm not going to do it by myself. I'm going to connect with all these other people that have had the joy and the opportunity to connect with. I'm going to toss it out to these other communities that I am a part of and see who wants to join this mission with me.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it came from a gap. I see that, selfishly, I want to fill for myself, but also the clients I work with, the people that I meet all the time. We're wanting some of that deeper connection and that support to find other multi-potentialites just like us. So you know, having a couple of panels, having case studies showing people what this life looks like from people who've cracked the code for themselves. So I'm really excited to do it and I'm so excited to meet so many people and to you know push out of my introvert comfort zone and get to connect with a bunch of people all at once.
Speaker 2:That's going to be. It's going to be so awesome. Yeah, I will definitely let you guys know about that when it comes up. But, yeah, I'm super excited to be a part of it too. For all those reasons, it's going to be so, so fun. And you're right, I'm an introvert too, which a lot of people were like, really, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm like no 100%, like I can do this, but I have to do it in spurts, right, and so that's another thing about knowing yourself. Like I really big on that self-awareness tool, like, okay, yeah, I know that I have. I'm a two four also in human design. I wonder do you know your human design? Are you into that at all?
Speaker 1:Um, a little bit. I know I'm a um, what is it? Manifesting generator yeah, yeah, Right. Everyone's like oh, I can smell it coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got. I can tell that now I'm a generator and that's a similar energy type, like it's just that you know you're the spicier version a little bit in a lot of ways, right, but it's it bit in a lot of ways, right, but it's, it's a similar thing. But a two four is really an interesting sort of profile line, because the two is the hermit, the two is the one. Like, I got to go in my cave. I need to like, I need time by myself, I need to honor the time alone. That's where I recharge, that's where.
Speaker 2:I like my energy. But the four is community. I, I rely on community for literally everything and it's like that's such a juxtaposition. It's like the introvert the extrovert like, and my whole life I felt like that, Like I've been in spurts of like oh yeah, I, let's go to that party, let's do this, and I'm super excited to connect and meet people. And then there are times where I'm like absolutely not, I do not want to go, no, thank you Cancel.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's so cool. I don't know if I'm a two, four, but that resonates. Yeah, yeah, and I enjoy people, but, like you said, like I don't gain energy from crowds of people. One-on-one, those deeper conversations, oh, I could do that all day long, you know. And being by myself, I could do that also all day long. But yeah, as much as I enjoy being in community and being around bigger people, it it takes a lot out of me. I need a lot of recharge time by myself to be able to do that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Especially when you have little kids too, like you've got going on. I mean, I had three kids under the age of two and I started my photography business when, like I think, the twins were almost five, when I really took it seriously. I mean, I was dabbling for a while. I was still doing massage and doing photography and trying to see how I could segue into that. And being married to ah, hyper creative Like my husband is, you know, he's definitely been laser focused his whole life on what he wanted.
Speaker 2:But he is like an incredibly creative person, like he can draw, he can act, he can direct, he can write. You know he's a filmmaker. Like it's just all right, brain stuff, right. So it's a very unpredictable sort of crazy life. So it was really interesting Interesting is an interesting word to use, but it was interesting when my kids were little to try and figure all those pieces out.
Speaker 2:So I know, like those of you guys who are still in the trenches with little ones, that's a big piece of it and you know, making sure that you are honoring that time, like honoring those pieces of yourself. It can be really hard because you're sort of like living for the kids, right, but you really do need to honor that internal urge as well, listen to your gut and listen to your intuition, because, yeah, that's going to lead you where you want to go. It's hard to listen sometimes, but it's very important. So if you need that reminder, that's your reminder that I wanted to chat really quickly because that's just kind of part of the show about this little magical ingredient I like to call manifestation, right. So how do you weave that in to achieving big dreams and goals?
Speaker 1:I might have a spicy take for you, my friend. So I think it was. It was pre COVID, so it was at least like five or six years ago. I was part of hosting a like new year planning vision boarding event and I was doing more of the planning, strategic side, and then I had somebody that I was presenting with um, like she, she was doing the vision boarding side and then I was coming along with the strategy side and I remember doing the vision board and I was cutting out the magazines and I was doing the thing and I was like, oh, this looks so pretty and this is so cool. And then I remember looking around you know the facility that we were at all the different women that were there, and some of them I noticed right after finishing the vision board it was like, okay, yeah, my job's done, like cool, this is what's going to happen this year.
Speaker 1:And I was like no. I was like no, no, no. And they were like, yeah, I'm, I'm, so bear with me while I tell the story. So then they're like, yeah, I'm manifesting it. That's all I have to do. I just have to sit here and think about it. I just have to look at it. I just have to put it there and like, think about it every day and look at it every day and like that's the thing and it's so beautiful and it's exactly what I want. And I was like I'm out of here. I was like this is not. I was like let me, adam, guys, when is my planning time? I was like no, no, no, no, no, I'm not about the manifestation, I'm not about that. Like that's too woo, Like it's about hard work, like no, sorry guys, that's not how it works out. You can't just, like, you know, have a fart and a prayer and hope it comes true. Like no, I'm not going to put my dreams on that.
Speaker 1:And then, after meeting many, many, many different people, I met this woman who, it was like in brief meeting, brief meeting, and I don't even think she remembers who I am. But she changed the trajectory of that thought and she was like yeah, that's only like step one of like six or seven. And I was like, yeah, I know. And she's like, yeah, but it's about this and this and this and this. And I was like, oh, here we go. And it was such a good merriment of like the left and right side brain and, to use your analogy, it's so much of both and that's the camp that I sit in. So do I believe on quote unquote manifestation where you just sit and think about it? No, I don't. I think that that's a bit of a crock of BS and that's a little spicy. Feel free to come at me, but I'm like no, it takes way more than that. Yeah, that is step one.
Speaker 1:It is getting clarity on, like that big picture, that vision board. Yes, have that vision, paint it, make it five senses. What are they going to feel? Like Smell, like Taste, like Sound, like All of those things? Yes, and then, like you were saying before, that reverse engineering and a lot of manifesting, I think is about the preparation, meeting opportunity, and it's not just waiting for opportunity to come along, it's doing the steps that you need to have the preparation, meet that opportunity and the manifesting part, the quote unquote. You know, vision boarding that most people call manifesting. That is just getting the filter on to look for the right opportunities. It has nothing to do with actually finding the opportunities, preparing for them and continuing to edit that vision as it unfolds, because that's a big part of it too.
Speaker 1:You'll often find things are coming into your lap when you've started to prepare it and it feels like magic. But it's not. It's like that combination of both. So, yeah, that's my spicy take. I am in that camp, but only with the caveat of that preparation meeting opportunity. But both things do need to be there. If you're just slogging away and trying to find opportunities and do things that way, that is such a hard way to go and then, like we talked about before, you end up burning out because you're not clear on what it is that you want to do and you're not aware of what it is you want to bring into your life and what you want to let go of, and you're continuing bad patterns and things like that. So, yeah, I'm a big fan of both. They both have to be the same, yeah, no you.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's spicy at all, I think it's a very real take and I think it's a very needed conversation, to be honest with you, because I do think that that's why you know manifestation right, like it's a very overused word, like mindset, like it's a very like big umbrella and it's overused thing and and it is, it has been oversimplified online, especially Right. But like, yeah, I'm a big believer. That's why my show is called this right, try it.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Like I believe in both of these. I'm real big into like strategy and science, like I said, digging in and finding meaning and like, okay, well, well, what is like? And that was what led me down that path of like certifications that I have like NLP and different life coaching modalities, because it's like, okay, well, what's the science behind this? You know, because there is science behind manifestation putting it in quotes because it really is energy and frequency.
Speaker 2:I really do believe that we have to have both. Like you just said, it's grit and optimism, right? It's belief, yes, you have belief and you've got to like really believe that you can do it. But the belief alone isn't going to bring it to you unless you take that inspired action, until you put yourself in the place of being that version of yourself you envision, right? Yeah, it's all about that feeling. You said it taste, it, smell, it, feel, it be it be about it.
Speaker 2:Like beyonce says be about it. You can't just think about it. That's why affirmations just don't work on their own, like, yeah, you can put as many affirmations up as you want on your wall, but if you don't believe, them happen. So I love that you brought that into it, because I feel like it's a very important conversation to have. And, yes, I am, I'm very woo, but also you're both there's, I'm both and and I really do believe, like you know, even like inside of that clarity method that I teach, like there's pieces of all of that in there, because all of these little pieces have to like, like your friend says, like that's just the first step.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly, exactly, and I feel like manifesting gets such a bad rap, like you said, like people are using the term colloquially, or they're using it casually, or they're just talking about like, oh, I'm just going to pull an affirmation card every day and I'll, I'll be a millionaire, and it's like I hope that for you, but I don't think that's likely if that's the only thing that you're doing, you know and it breaks my heart to have people be swindled by that or have other people pushing or peddling that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I like my spicy take, I like your spicy take of it is both. It's step one of many and it is a crucial step. It's not to be disregarded either. It's not to be thrown out you know, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater Like it's still very important to have all of that there, and I think there's a certain part of life, really that is magic that we can't explain and it is about embracing those wild opportunities that you know. You're like, wow, I never in a million years would have planned that this would have fallen in my lap, but it has, and I've prepared and I'm organized and I'm I'm ready to take advantage of this opportunity. Like it's both of those things happening together and that's where that magic sauce happens. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I truly like I wouldn't be, I wouldn't be sitting here right now, like if I hadn't opened up to the possibility of what if right, because, like you'd have told me when I was in my early twenties that I would end up being a photographer and a coach, and I would have looked at you like you were crazy, like no, those, those weren't even on my list of 500 things I wanted to do, right. So like I'd have been like no, that's not, that's not one of the many. But it happened because I think that I opened up to these what ifs, that I call them like right, like well, okay, well, that kind of is scratching an itch, that I really like I'm having fun doing this. So I wonder, I wonder where this is going to take me. Not even when I started taking photos, it wasn't because I wanted to start making money right away. Like I did it because it felt good.
Speaker 2:It was a great creative outlet when my kids were babies. My son has autism. He didn't talk until he was five and I was like so interested in what was going on behind those big eyes of his and I was like the camera was pointed at him constantly and so it just led to other things along the way, right, and so I feel like that's a big piece of it. Is that follow these creative urges too? You know, if you've got these little itches and you know insights and gut feelings, there's problems and why they're there, and even at the end of the day, if it's not for you to make a big business out of it, it's there to serve a creative purpose which I think is always gonna lead you to some good stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's often a conversation I have with my clients too of is this a passion, that is a hobby, or is this something you need to monetize, or is this something you need to scale right? All something you need to monetize, or is this something you need to scale Right? All of those things are very different, but they're all worthwhile pursuits.
Speaker 1:There is nothing. None of them are better or worse than the other. They are all there for a reason, and I think life is meant to be enjoyed. I think passion, and following those breadcrumbs of curiosity, is a worthwhile pursuit of joy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, I love it. Thank you so much for being here. This was a great, great, great conversation, which I knew it would be. You've got so much to share and I am very excited about our panel coming up. So tell people where you like to connect. If it's not on social, where can they find you and any other information you want to drop in there. I'll put all the links.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure. Well, definitely join us at the summit. Renee is going to knock it out of the park, I know it, and she's on a really stacked panel with other incredible business owners that have many passions too. So it's the multi potential light summit. It's happening April 28th 2025. So feel free to learn more about it. You can find everything you need at my website, which is tayloralorcom. There's a contact page. It goes right to my inbox and I read and reply to every single email. That's where I'm at, so feel free to hang out with me there. That's where I spend my time, and it's not on socials.
Speaker 2:All right, thank you again. So much for being here.
Speaker 1:Thanks for having me, it was so fun.
Speaker 2:I told you guys you were going to love her. She and I have so much in common and I'm so grateful that our paths crossed and I'm super excited about her panel. So you can find all the information below. I'm going to link everything for you guys and also be reminding you as well as we get closer to that, april 28th, but for now I just want you to remember, as Taylor beautifully shared today, you don't need to sacrifice your creativity or your sanity to achieve incredible things. Trust your intuition, honor your flow and keep building your dreams in a way that feels aligned to you. Don't forget about that strategy part, and you know where to find us if you need help with any of that.
Speaker 2:Let me know how today's episode resonated with you. You can hit me up over on social at Renee Bowen. You can DM me or you can also email me, renee, at Renee Bowencom. And, of course, I would love and appreciate a rating and a review from you as well, and you can do that. Rate this podcastcom slash, renee Bowen. Thanks again for tuning in. I hope you guys have a great rest of your day and week. Love you Bye.
