Ramon Bescansa  0:00  
But I wouldn't say I always have the best attitude but like, you know, when you start teaching you, you also have to do it so like there's no doubt that if you can work at it, right I mean, you can, you can think that you're lucky or you can think you're unlucky. Well, I decided to be say that I'm the luckiest golfer there is so.

Scott Riley  0:21  
All right, welcome back to another episode of Straight Down the Middle'ish. We are joined today by a very special guest, the inventor of the perfect putter and where the PGA tour's top short game coaches out there, Ramon Bescansa welcome.

Ramon Bescansa  0:35  
Thanks. Thanks for having me.

Scott Riley  0:37  
Exciting. Golf clap. Arrival. I love it.

Matt Every  0:41  
I'm excited that you're here. I'm I'm trying to pick up a few tips today.

Aron Price  0:44  
You made it you're chipping me the party? Yeah.

Ramon Bescansa  0:48  
I've seen you playing chip. I don't believe.

Matt Every  0:50  
But we are excited that you're here. Ramon. You've always just kind of ooze charisma to me. I don't know what it is. There's a lot of it on the couch right now. I mean, Aaron just walked in looking like a bottle of sacks.

Scott Riley  1:02  
Just straight from work straight from work

Matt Every  1:06  
As he's selling houses, that.

Aron Price  1:08  
Real jobs these days.

Matt Every  1:11  
So you come to the States to was it LeBron or kind of your img is same thing.

Ramon Bescansa  1:16  
I just said it was an IMG Academy, but it was called a better hand. Yeah, I came here in 97. I was supposed to be here for one year, just kind of, okay. My parents wanted to send me somewhere to learn English. I didn't speak English. And I was like, I had a couple friends that were here. And I was like, how about this Golf Academy? I mean, at the time, it was very small. It's not what it is right now.

Scott Riley  1:37  
They don't just take any kind of chop. I mean, what was there like an application process? Or how do you get into that Academy?

Ramon Bescansa  1:43  
I don't remember honestly. 

Matt Every  1:44  
I was so young. We only golf then are we playing tennis or.

Ramon Bescansa  1:48  
only golf. I mean, there was only 20 kids on the golf program. So it was mostly like hi, like better players. Like you know, the guys who was there like I try on Crystal grayling, like a lot of really good golfer. So we went there for a year and then that was supposed to be yet and kind of led better. And he's my instructor Kevin Conley convinced me to go back and graduated high school from there. 

Aron Price  2:15  
So 23, 25 years ago, come over high school IMG Academy, obviously a great player. Fast forward all the way to now you're putting coach for. I don't know how many guys on the PGA Tour. And so he 1520. And then you have mini tours. I don't know how many, there wouldn't be another party instructor on us that has more high end clients than remote. So that's not that well known to the public. But shoot has a cool story and get to get to know you through the next hour. And just all the little secrets you have players and also like technique and stuff.

Matt Every  2:48  
I want to dive into. I mean, I'm, I'm familiar with your your playing career. But at what point were you like i? This is enough? And then how far from that point to the perfect putter? Like, what was the time in between there?

Ramon Bescansa  3:08  
Yeah, I mean, there's like the store. I mean, looking back is kind of crazy, right? Like, I mean, when I came here, and no, like, I didn't know how good or bad I was a golf, you know, like we didn't we like right now. It's so easy to get information. You know, I used to get beat by Sergio all the time. I mean, he was like, I'm like, bomb. This guy's just so much better. But like from coming from a small country in Spain, you know, I thought that we come into the US and it'd be a lot more difficult, right? I mean, if surgery has been me, there's bad like, he's not going to be here. When I get to the US there's going to be but it actually kind of worked in my favor, because I was like, Okay, well, Serge is like the best one of the best amateurs ever. And, and he was unbeatable. So, so that's kind of like, you know, I came here, you know, golf, college. Then I tried. I mean, I played professionally for nine years. And, you know, I never really reached my potential, I thought and I was kind of convinced that I wanted to step away, but I love the game so much that I wanted to stay around the game, and I broke my left hand skin. So it was just kind of, you know, it was kind of like, okay, well, now, I mean, it's almost like a sign like it only worked on my favor. That was 2010 2011 so I played 2011 So I played for nine years right out of college. And then that happened and the perfect Potter, we created it with my dad, right? I like great about 2007. So I used to we created just for my personal use, we weren't planning on, you know, selling it or, you know, just it was something for my use to get better at a padding. So, you know, do that just having recreate, I used it for three, four years, just myself and people used to look at me funny.

Scott Riley  4:46  
So you just roll up to tournament and just bust that thing out. What was the what kind of?

Ramon Bescansa  4:51  
It was, I mean, people would look at me weird for sure. And you know,

Aron Price  4:55  
sort of the thing of the bowling alley.

Ramon Bescansa  4:57  
And it took a lot of personality at times I didn't use it All the time to be honest, because it was, like almost like

Matt Every  5:03  
people start asking questions and probably gets annoying. Yeah. 

Ramon Bescansa  5:06  
So that kind of, but I mean, I saw the benefit, I saw the benefit of how much he helped me. And once that happened, and you know, I knew that I was not going to keep playing. Yeah, I was like, well, let's, you know, there was enough interest from players and instructors about it. So I was like, Okay, how about we, you know, we show it to players. And that was kind of crazy. 

Aron Price  5:24  
That was 2012 and attendees. So roughly how many units? So the thing.

Matt Every  5:30  
I will say, kind of say this real quick about the perfect putter? It's awesome. It is awesome. And it is, in every guy's arsenal. There's two things that every tour player has some kind of launch monitor, device, track, man, whatever. And imperfect Potter. I mean, literally anyone everyone paid for that. 

Aron Price  5:46  
I say from I play from Carnegie my wishes, good thing which which says everything? 

Matt Every  5:50  
Oh, yes. it does. It does. It backs up the product.

Ramon Bescansa  5:53  
It was difficult, you know, like, you know, obviously been, you know, in the golf business and starting out and, and, you know, like, all the pros want everything for free. But we were starting out it was, you know, it's a very expensive product to make, especially early on, right. So we make everything Europe and I was like, Well, I mean, 200 guys want a perfect putter, that's gonna be a lot of money. I don't have that money to be given away. So yeah, we tried to be consistent with everybody. Obviously, yours was given a lot of product away. 

Scott Riley  6:21  
But so you and your dad created it. How was this concept really born and then built? 

Ramon Bescansa  6:27  
It was mainly for green reading. I mean, it was mainly for, you know, like, I always wanted to be better putter like, and my dad always saw me working on technique, technique, technique, technique. You know, I used to use the Dave bales to pebbles. And you know, I will get it through like no problem. And you know, I have a bad party that I'm putting around and I go to the pedigree and pull that out. Right. So, you know, my dad saw that we needed to get better green reading. I agree. And he's like, my dad's an engineer. 

Aron Price  6:53  
So unbelievable. For Green reading it blow high level goal was mine once you start because a lot of people go to cups, right? They're actually aiming for cups, right? And the break is four cups, right? But it's it's obviously makes sense to try and pay that closer for two cups, four cups, get your eyeline trout have done some work with Crisco.

Ramon Bescansa  7:12  
No doubt, I think I mean, that's the biggest benefit of the device. I mean, a lot of people use it for you know, to set up drills and stuff. It's, that's great. But I think you know, using it and actually getting information on how you read it, okay, I'm seeing this ball, a ball out, roll the ball and see the ball miss and a cup, my cup of cups, like that really opens your eyes. And it shows you that you need to put in some work on green reading.

Aron Price  7:34  
Because if you think about it, if you you're aiming, okay, it's two cups, or whatever. And it's really four cups, your partner is actually aim four cups, because otherwise you would miss it low. And if you're talented enough, you know how to just get it done. But wouldn't it make sense to be looking for cups? So then you have your eyes trained? And it's a process, isn't it? Like you don't just do it all in one day?

Ramon Bescansa  7:53  
Yeah, every player is a different story. I mean, it's crazy how everybody works a little bit different. 

Matt Every  7:59  
But yeah, who's your favorite guy you've worked with? So far? That's kind of taught you stuff?

Ramon Bescansa  8:04  
That's a difficult question. But I mean, I'm very, I mean, I'm, you know, it's tough. Obviously, you know, Roberto, the F was the first guy I ever worked with, like, when I started, you know, when I when I was still playing like, so tell him, like when I was still playing. I was like, Okay, let me like, I know, I want to get into coaching like many coaches, you know, yeah, because I enjoy the coaching aspect. I mean, obviously, they see me as shore game instructor, but like, I do everything, and I like the coaching aspect. So Roberto, and then and then I've been very fortunate with Harrison Harrison, because it was the first guy that brought me on board. Like when I was not even a putting instructor I was just kind of shown him that, you know, show him how I was teaching other players when No, no, nobody, you know, that caliber at the time, he was a top 30 player in the world. And he's like, Hey, I you know, I love the product. I went to showing the product, I love the product, but but I love what you teach, I want to bring you on board and I was like, alright.

Aron Price  8:57  
So from the perfect partner became obviously you're showing instruction seven items a day, you're seeing a lot of punish strokes. You're a good player, you're a great partner. So from there, it made sense. Like it's if people asked in a program for less than like, we don't look at swings all day that goes coaching Do you were looking at putting shirts every day, so subconsciously, you're gaining so much knowledge, it just made sense. Start teaching those actually how to.

Ramon Bescansa  9:20  
No doubt and I mean, in kinda, you know, with Harry's, it was it was crazy, right? Because I mean, he, you know, he was already a really good player top 30 in the world, like, but he had a beautiful stroke. So when I first started, like, work with him, like all I did was just like, set up drills for him, like, just help him practice, like, keep them accountable.

Matt Every  9:41  
I think that's one of the biggest things that gets overlooked. Like guys at the highest level, don't really know how to practice still.

Ramon Bescansa  9:48  
In which is because it's a difficult sport like every other sport like you're a basketball player, the practice of setup like you'd come into work and you're, you're gonna put in the work and golf. You're just like, Okay, well, I'm gonna go practicing some days, you're not going to get the maximum of your practice. But if you had somebody there's like, Okay, I got this setup for you. There's this there's this, you put in the work. And actually your technique will get better just by.

Aron Price  10:12  
The public but also shows you remember the study that you were telling me about back in the day at San Jose, like a 10 footer at 7am does not roll like a 10 footer, the same part of 5pm just imperfections of the greens in to teach people to like, Hey, here's the percentages of 10 footers for the final five groups on Sunday. And you know, the here's the first five groups out on Sunday, it's a lot of stuff that pros like the top 50 guys in the world don't even understand that you missed a 10 footer and you give me some I should have made that will statistically only 42% or whatever the number is. So that's the part two and then also you got different personalities like everyone for Crisco to Harris English. Some guys just need something worded differently or like a placebo. And other guys need to stand there and just hammer out a drill for like an hour. No doubt, and that's going to be crazy to me.

Matt Every  10:58  
What happens when you get a guy that comes on board and he's super raw? Like, because everyone's different. Are you still working with him? Yes. Okay. Hey, man, sir. My favorite short game in the world. It looks like it's never been touched by anyone. It's like it's his you know, I'm

Ramon Bescansa  11:15  
Saying no doubt. I mean, he's homemade. Exactly. 

Matt Every  11:18  
So how do you come in and keep it homemade? There's got to be a fine line there.

Ramon Bescansa  11:24  
You know obviously, like personalized have to match right I get everybody that comes to me I feel like they have a good understanding on how I like to work. I mean, if you're looking for somebody to like redo your technique and I get really technical I'm probably not going to be the right guy Of course I do work on technique but you know I'm probably not gonna be the right guy with a bad answer to how we started I mean he's you know, he's been self taught he's never had a swing instructor right so with him like obviously his buddy was not great obviously that's why we we first started working but I think our personalities and the way I got him to work match because we kept it pretty simple it just it was more like okay, let's let's understand like, what do you do when you put your best Let's measure everything out and you know, just same thing as hairs like lemon Let me make you practice make you better putter.

Scott Riley  12:12  
Did you practice the way you you preach? I mean, you got your way in to working with these guys through a device right you earn their trust but now you're you're implementing all these techniques you learned to make them better players.

Ramon Bescansa  12:27  
Big time as a as a player. I mean, like once I started using you know, the perfect butter like my potting just like completely, like it was a big change. Like it opened my eyes like I did so many studies just rolling balls and understanding okay, like what Aaron was saying before like understanding okay, this pot you know, although is a feed is got his nose downhill, you know, it's got 3% slope like that is a very sensitive part. So like, my expectations started being proper and I started understanding I could miss putts. You know, just like hitting a perfect pot, I could still miss a pot. So like, understanding like, so when I started teaching 100 person like I had, you know, the trust that you know, this, when I started practicing.

Aron Price  13:07  
I worked so hard to explain without having the device here, but like an appeal right to left from eight feet. You can make it like two or three different speeds and a foot downhill left to right, even on one or 2% gradient. You could probably make it on like, between like hot like, once but yeah, super Sbisa it's crazy to even understand it like Okay, I gotta have people rock left, or I can hit this hard. I can hit soft, downhill left or right, uh, you need to have like the appropriate pace. Just all that stuff is what blew my mind as as you would say. It's not wouldn't be simple to make, but it's a pretty simple device. So that was just rolling the ball down and there was nothing on the market like that. If it is when I'm setting up I carry a little bit for Chris Kirk every now and then. Chris works with remote but every time setting and have everyone in the crowds like does that assembly to run these stimuli that are the Greens rolling one of the greens rolling? It's pretty funny but I was like no, this is the best thing ever if you want to get better at potting outside of that and I'm not here to market your product or any but it is it's for 27 handicapper or the best golfer in the world can get so much data from just rolling the ball down like seeing me thinking what? You know what you think the pot is gonna break and then rolling it down that line? No doubt.

Scott Riley  14:21  
I bought one. I'm still waiting for it.

Ramon Bescansa  14:23  
 It comes with on our minds. It comes with it with a lesson.

Scott Riley  14:28  
Like yeah, I need to learn how to use it.

Matt Every  14:30  
Mine's in the back of my car. I went Salmone in 2019. And this is just a testament to what an idiot I am. And the next week, I finished tied for second and just made you know, I made more putts.

Scott Riley  14:46  
I like I've got enough information.

Matt Every  14:47  
That has never, ever gonna put bat again. So crazy. It's so stupid. It's so dumb.

Aron Price  14:56  
wish somehow you could best go from the world.

Scott Riley  14:59  
It can take a lot For some players to ask for home, never gonna make a birdie. Right? When it's good, it's good. Right? Let's talk about Ryder Cup, you, you're whistling straits. And I was thinking man, that's gotta be the first time a coach from from Europe is on Team USA. Like

Aron Price  15:17  
I can be No, no first time but no, no, no, but maybe first putting themselves the perfect, right, like.

Scott Riley  15:25  
What is that feeling like?

Ramon Bescansa  15:27  
Now it was an amazing week. I mean, obviously, you know, European, you know, I grew up in Spain. So I would say it's been a couple radicals that like our I love the US have been in the US forever. So like, a lot more than half my life. So I would say the last couple radicals have been you know, I've been pulling for the US and to be a part of the last one with hairs was I mean something on there.

Aron Price  15:50  
There's so many bill that the Ryder Cup Presidents Cup even you see that the Zurich there's something about when goes and played so many years without the team aspect that they brought a couple of plan for no money. Maybe a few 100 A couple of 20 grand or something goes with charity, I don't know. But to see the passion that comes out of that is cool.

Matt Every  16:08  
What's the passion it's it's the eyeballs to you know, everyone in the world is in the golf world is watching you that week. I mean, you're the only show in town. Yeah. 

Ramon Bescansa  16:17  
And it's pretty cool. That camaraderie. I mean, you see, you know, everybody getting along, so well. Right. 

Scott Riley  16:22  
So yeah, but it's Wow, that so many have given up their spot on the team and the legacy of those teams. Henrik Stenson joining live and losing his captaincy I mean, that's like a lifetime achievement award that you're just throwing away.

Aron Price  16:37  
it's it's everything's individual Henrichs whether it's documented or not, it's had some of his fortune taken away from him a couple of times sure if it's public or not, and maybe this was his chance to get back. I don't want to speak for him, but you never know it goes on. I go as Brian I'm sure he didn't make that decision. Easily. But I'm guessing if he was allowed to do it, he would do it. It wasn't his decision.

Matt Every  16:58  
Right. I think he probably he wants to do it but he also wants that money. You know, hey, I'll still do it but I'm gonna get this money to

Scott Riley  17:06  
remote you're in an odd position have employers on both tours, but it's I don't know try to find out. 

Aron Price  17:12  
How are you? How are you handling and obviously there's so much to handle? You have clients you go there. Yeah, man.

Ramon Bescansa  17:17  
It's a difficult situation, right? I mean, you can think you can have the way you think but you know, at the end of the day, I've you know, I've been working with Harold and Abraham answered for such a long time and that's my job is to you know, help them to be the best they can be and they're very happy with their decision and you can't blame him.

Matt Every  17:36  
Then you're not you're not on an island out there. I mean, there's tons of guys in your spot or we're like reps now. I mean, they've got guys who TaylorMade Titleist Callaway, they all have their reps, but the big guys that are with those companies, they have like their individual reps, like Keith with Dustin Taylor, man, it's like, what goes on now? Do you just go to the live events off the radar? I mean.

Aron Price  17:59  
Osho said it best is like it's not a big deal. Everyone understands, especially the guys who are affected who actually playing miss some other issues that have gotten blown out guys wanting them to come back or going back on their word, but I think the whole coaches see it is you get the comment or something?

Matt Every  18:18  
How often are you turning away work? Like I know, I know, coaches will. When they have the luxury to be picky. They start getting picky out there. 

Ramon Bescansa  18:28  
And I miss stuff, obviously. It's also for me to do my best job. Yeah, I can't have too many. Right and many guys, right. So and I gotta be fair to you know, the guys that have been with me forever. And so on the PGA Tour, I tried to stay with seven out of the year. You know, I think seven is a good number is rarely they're all seven will be playing the same event. So because if I had seven in one event, it would be very difficult. 

Matt Every  18:54  
So would you would you do a thing where like, You got seven guys on the road? But then say a guy's like, hey, Ramon, I really want to work with you. And you say, you know, I don't but can you come to San Jose for? Exactly, yeah.

Ramon Bescansa  19:07  
Yeah, it's rare that I'm not gonna work with somebody like, I mean, just, I might not take them off for the whole year. But they're, I mean, whenever I'm home, I'll be

Aron Price  19:16  
Yeah. Especially honestly, I'm sure there's an unpaid element. So I can I can help us go, Oh, this guy, same stripe in a hidden boot. And he's come up to me and it's like, look, I've got seven guys or a car. But you next week I've come to San Jose. Oh, hey, next week. I've only got four guys. I can Yeah, exactly. But it's going to be that Elmo walk man. I really think if this guy learns how to read parts or understands the data to give himself a break. There's so many good players.

Matt Every  19:41  
Three of the guys do your main guys that you've talked about a Harry and Harold are all just world class iron players. I mean, so they're getting a ton of looks. Is there any correlation with good iron play and bad putting? Psychology right? That's all I'm saying. If you have 15 feet on every hole You're not gonna if you made all of them, it wouldn't be fair. You'd be you'd be number one in the world.

Aron Price  20:04  
If you look over the years, this is crazy over the top 10 greens and right, right not proximity to home because that's a better one. But for everyone's greens and right, so many of those guys don't stay on tour. Jeff go there's tons right? Because they have so many looks. That's a bad example. Jessica was a great boss growing up and he had so many looks it gets in your head. That's why the people like Vijay Singh needs to be applauded, because they miss more booty parts than anyone psychologically it's the last shot on every hole

Matt Every  20:30  
I hate to wear you out it'll wear you out I'd rather be a shitty ball striker and a great putter not the other way around.

Ramon Bescansa  20:37  
No doubt no doubt you just kind of drive it well and putter well.

Aron Price  20:40  
But when it go ahead sit in the left rough chunks one out hits a poor 30 yard pitch shot to 15 612 feet and misses it what does he blame the pot? Yeah the sound does it Alright Jeff go like myself people who basically look at the stats.

Matt Every  20:55  
I was always Jeffco played on tour like maybe 15 years ago.

Aron Price  20:58  
He was always a third fifth he would back and forth first and girls and just but he was but he had so many pots and it gets in your head that sometime Vijay Singh and these ball strikers need to be commended for the mental aptitude for staying with it because it'll draw you insane we blame the party don't blame anything else because it's the final part it's the only shot is your the score chip in your drive. It doesn't give you a score five and doesn't give me any score. Nothing gives you score except for the product.

Matt Every  21:25  
I removed. What do you think? Do you think there's a correlation?

Ramon Bescansa  21:28  
There's a very valid point I think you see it all the time, right? Like you know, guys like Sergio like he's known for being a great fighter but like he's been a great ball striker. Even with stronger strokes gained putting like, I think right now that's probably the best that you can get for putting, like still the best arm players are not going to be, you know, they're not going to be the best putters like it's very rare like, because it's a lot more difficult to make a 20 footer than it is to make a six footer after you miss the green, right? So you hit it to 20 feet and you have a day that you don't make any puzzle every 20 footer, you're losing 1.5.

Aron Price  22:01  
It was kind of skirt. So it's not a great product from like 40 feet. So 10 foot he's an amazing product, right without looking at a stock 20 Some years ago, he's a bad part. It was a well, how many passes you have out so at 10 feet and how many passes he had for 48 feet. So overall, he's a good putter.

Matt Every  22:17  
Camila when he first got on tour, I played in college with him a few years and I remember him making everything. And then he got on tour. And he had a good year and all of a sudden he'd get on TV in the high end. He'd miss a little one under the pump.

Scott Riley  22:31  
But it'd be on TV. Yeah. And everybody loves watching those short messages, right.

Matt Every  22:36  
And it was like, he got this rap is that this was a crutch early, you know, an issue. And I was thinking, this guy is like the best putter ever. 

Ramon Bescansa  22:45  
Like, you know, it's I mean, putting is I mean, there's a mental attitude, attitude. I mean, it's huge

Matt Every  22:53  
Strokes gained attitude.

Aron Price  22:55  
Peter Malnati. Is he a good putter is one of the best, right? Because there's a lot of his attitude, like I make time, but I became a very poor putter. And mostly it was my attitude, because I would get on the San Pablo, which used my numbers were.

Matt Every  23:09  
I'm gonna say better than there is some kind of correlation between strokes gain hybrids and strokes gained attitude. I'm just telling you, the guys at the top of the hybrids category or have a great attitude. I just know it. It's also with IQ and driving distance. There's also correlation in there to

Scott Riley  23:30  
that thought of it that way.

Aron Price  23:33  
We're gonna have to do some deep diving. 

Scott Riley  23:35  
Ramon has speaking about attitude, probably the most positive attitude of any human being I've ever met on a golf course. Well, thank you. And you have I know you caddy for caddy for guys on the PGA Tour. You're counting for guys that are junior elites. Having a guy like you on the bag has got to be huge. 

Ramon Bescansa  23:54  
Let's do the same thing as Aaron. I hear he's the best guy he's

Matt Every  23:57  
So he's he is boss. He's the opposite of how he was playing.

Aron Price  24:01  
Yeah, so does that mean I'm insecure? Probably no.

Ramon Bescansa  24:03  
But I wouldn't say I always have the best attitude but like, you know, when you start teaching you you also have I mean you have to do it so like there's no doubt that if you can work at it, right I mean, you can you know, there's you can think that you're lucky or you can think you're unlucky well I decided to be say that I'm the luckiest golfer out.

Aron Price  24:19  
There so but I think it's it's your duty as an outside counsel as a caddy or a coach It's your duty because it's not you're not filling him full of shit. You're just seeing the non emotional part

Matt Every  24:30  
it also matters where it's coming from two of you can get a guy that you respect and you know as a level head and is in it for all the right reasons. tell you hey man, you're being a dipshit start looking at it glass half full.

Aron Price  24:42  
That's why I can't even Matt Jones and I grew up Matt Jones and he said it's tough to take a guess I gotta be honest, it was tough to take here. You've been so positive optimistic. Not unrealistic. Oh, well, I don't. I was like my you can still get over it. Let's keep moving on. Because it was tough to take hear from you. Because I played with you. You beat yourself down. So have for you know, since we were kids, so that was interesting.

Ramon Bescansa  25:03  
But it's really the caddied and then go back out and play some because like when you carry you're like, Man, you see things in a completely different perspective.

Aron Price  25:10  
And it but that's what you're there for. Yeah, if Chris Kirk or one of your players or Matt everyone, Matt Jones, it's a bad six on right. And the next slide is like, Oh, I think it's a seven, you know, like all stepping into six. If you had 100 in a row good on the range, this is going to be perfect. So there are animations that didn't hit the previous one well, or for whatever reason, there's a hazard somewhere but that's that's what we're there for. I really think it's not like real estate and to like people emotional about selling or buying stuff. You pay someone for an unemotional advice.

Scott Riley  25:44  
Let's plug your real estate company here to while we're at it. We're in my real estate shirt, and I'm wearing my UNC hat for today. So you played play college golf at UNC. Yeah. What was that experience? Like? Do you have some buddies that did make it out on tour from those those days?

Ramon Bescansa  26:02  
It was an amazing experience. I love Chapel Hill. I was fortunate. I had a lot of opportunities.

Aron Price  26:08  
Great coach, John Inman.

Ramon Bescansa  26:09  
Yeah, once I went to Chapel Hill, I met John Inman and the campus on the golf course.

Matt Every  26:14  
I was sold. Finley was Martini Retta. there with you.

Ramon Bescansa  26:19  
He was right after I mean, great player. I played both. Yeah, unfortunately. Nobody's made it on tour. Nobody.

Matt Every  26:26  
Ted Smith still try and as Mr. They'll try. That's right. Dustin Ray's probably I mean, he was the one that one of the best players.

Aron Price  26:32  
Another one that legitimately reminds me of the perfect Potter Bedelia but the guy was a great part of Great Shogun homemade be like a bouncer but talked himself into being a bad part. I think just not understanding statistics.

Ramon Bescansa  26:45  
Amazing, amazing player like he was, you know, first of all America for two or three times.

Aron Price  26:51  
almost won the US seminar. Yeah.

Ramon Bescansa  26:53  
Yeah, it's, it's tough to do what you guys did man, fair and making the PGA Tour is.

Matt Every  26:58  
Fucking tough. It is tough.

Ramon Bescansa  26:59  
Look, it's

Aron Price  27:00  
easy, and it's tough. It's an oxymoron. But it can be really easy as can be like,

Matt Every  27:05  
I have a bad taste in my mouth of the USA. Um, I just think they're the champions they

Scott Riley  27:09  
get are so overrated. Like, so overrated? Not a fan of match play, or,

Matt Every  27:14  
I mean, no, no, no, I'm not not a fan of like crowning someone as a world beater if they win the US amateur.

Scott Riley  27:21  
I mean, that's it's one of the best ways to get into the masters for one of those guys. And

Aron Price  27:27  
he's got history too. So I yeah, I agreed as a fine the best player of the week, you know,

Matt Every  27:33  
when they started peeling off these guys to the live that the recent US Sam winners, I was just like, Oh, those guys are the ones that are getting the biggest.

Aron Price  27:43  
It's a mix. There's been plenty of studs when obviously Targa but Brian more, but there's also been guys that have just gotten lucky and shot three over and won their match where they would have legitimately lost to the other 15 Guys and the final 16. So there's luck involved, but as history as well, but there's a find the best one and I know. Do you have any good

Matt Every  28:03  
friends in the USA? Um,

Ramon Bescansa  28:05  
no, no. The only year that I qualified I dislocated my shoulder.

Matt Every  28:10  
Dude, what is up with you? I mean, Ramon, hey,

Scott Riley  28:14  
the pickleball injury

Matt Every  28:15  
to

Ramon Bescansa  28:16  
I know man you and yeah, I'd like you wouldn't really like I've had a lot of injuries. But

Matt Every  28:21  
this guy with a rack in his hands is phenomenal. I mean, it's better than a putter, or better than a putter in your hands.

Ramon Bescansa  28:28  
I love tennis and, and pickleball was fun. It was the second time ever playing pickleball and tore my calf. So I was out of commission for a while, a month and a half. I mean to boot. And

Matt Every  28:38  
are you ever going to play pickleball again, I think that's a sign.

Aron Price  28:41  
We're trying to get up to the kitchen. Is that what you're trying to do?

Ramon Bescansa  28:44  
I mean, I don't even I didn't even know the rules. I was like, counting was so difficult was like, you know, the 111 and like, but you know, I was just getting into it and but you're really good. It was fun. We played paddle tennis in Spain. That's that's I think that will do.

Aron Price  28:58  
They played up north.

Matt Every  29:00  
Do you play like member guest tennis tournaments and stuff?

Ramon Bescansa  29:04  
I do. I mean, yeah,

Matt Every  29:06  
I just got invited to one did you? Well, but I mainly had the one

Ramon Bescansa  29:09  
where are you playing?

Matt Every  29:10  
I'm playing jacks golf one. Played the other day I'm playing 10 years I play with my buddy the other day thinks he's an athlete and I just our athlete had him beat him six slide he comes up to the net he's fucking drenched. He's like going inside us up remember go man.

Ramon Bescansa  29:29  
Yeah, the American Standard isn't there fun

Scott Riley  29:32  
to do your brand of tennis though remote it I always talk about how golf and tennis are so different when they handicap I mean, you know, a chop can go out and beat a scratch handicapper, because they're leveling the playing field. There's no way to level the playing field in tennis.

Ramon Bescansa  29:46  
Yeah, I agree. I mean, if if somebody is better than you at tennis, you're not going to beat him. And golf. I mean, golf is one of the beautiful things about golf is I mean right now there's so many good golfers anybody like you know your scratch player and others. A club can meet a professional in any given day,

Matt Every  30:03  
many of the jig is in cars speaking, we used to play in college, Manny and I would play tennis and he would always try and grease me it was he was better than I was. It'd be like, I'll give you the doubles lines. And I'm like, that's not gonna do anything. Dad, you're still gonna wax Let's race each other. Well, yeah, faster, you're

Scott Riley  30:19  
always gonna be faster, right?

Aron Price  30:22  
It's crazy that Pickleball is not that much like it is, is in but you could have never played pickleball in your life. And in two minutes, you're good.

Ramon Bescansa  30:30  
I think that's why it's doing so well. It's just like anybody can anyone get by, and you can find a game and you can kind of have fun. And you can play it as soft or as fast as you want to play.

Aron Price  30:41  
You need to be the 1% more athletic to play pickleball than going on. Class. We go wax boy, Jack and I cancel his buddy. We're pretty good. We played this seven year old guy, well overweight and his wife. And they beat us hitting these water up to the kitchen. They just so bad reflexes?

Matt Every  30:59  
Well, you can't really go body shots either and pick a wall because the balls to you know, it's not the same as tennis.

Ramon Bescansa  31:05  
I don't know. I'll tell you. I'll tell you when I when I play it again.

Scott Riley  31:08  
So I've also got here on my questions about you've had a couple guys that have won on tour, and a couple guys that have contended in a major. What's that feeling? Like? I mean, because pulling for a guy that that you're not only coaching, but building that type of a weed mentality to get to the finish line.

Ramon Bescansa  31:27  
I mean, majors are definitely different. They're fun. I remember the one that jumps out at me is the one with Haber and Abraham answer at the August of the year of COVID. And the one that was in November, you know, there's no crowds and you know, we're staying at a house while seven minutes away from the golf course. And, and I remember it was like Sunday, we kind of we never watched TV the whole week. He was in the final group with playing with Dustin on Sunday. He was on fire group Saturday group on Sunday. We're staying out of the house and never watch TV all week. And I remember waking up on Sunday and I'm like, Master so many chance to Yeah, he looks so comfortable. I'm like he's gonna win the Masters right so like, it was like he was warming up at home he was in like the trainer was staying at the house as well. And he was doing all his warm I go home and it was like, like 75 minutes from the time we're still home. I'm like anxious

Aron Price  32:18  
that's a cool story.

Ramon Bescansa  32:19  
So like literally an hour before the tea them we're still at the house. We drive but I mean you know you parked right next to the driving range and like he gave me the other with

Matt Every  32:28  
15 minutes and no traffic no crowds. Yeah, you're good. Yeah. But you know, it was like

Ramon Bescansa  32:32  
an hour from you know from DITA hummingbird. Build the house. I'm like, You didn't turn out?

Matt Every  32:36  
I mean, he had a great tournament. was Dale still on the back then? Or was it Benji Dale, Dale was still in the bag. That

Scott Riley  32:41  
was the when we light up the heater on the course. And that one I think, famous photo and

Aron Price  32:46  
he's wide jumps. A Gulf hanging out. I

Scott Riley  32:49  
miss that guy.

Matt Every  32:50  
I miss him too. He's coming back. He'll be back. He's coming back. Do you believe in UFOs? I've been watching this thing on Netflix. Listen, I don't believe in like Bigfoot and shit like that that way. For listen, if you watch these episodes on this new Unsolved Mysteries on Netflix, alright, and don't believe in UFOs? After

Aron Price  33:14  
all, I care enough to believe I don't care if they're real or not.

Scott Riley  33:18  
I mean, if we're out here, then why not?

Matt Every  33:19  
They're here. They're here. Do you believe believe in them? I'm gonna watch this show. I believe

Aron Price  33:24  
there's something out there. But I don't know. And Keegan Bradley is well, well into that stuff.

Matt Every  33:31  
Well versed in the extra terrestrial world way that checks out Vermonter for monitor. They're big and the Great Lakes actually.

Aron Price  33:41  
What is this that is artifacts that Bob Lazar and all those guys, they've been on. Tons of my rated podcasts and stuff Joe Rogan

Matt Every  33:50  
is military pilots. I mean, all kinds of guys.

Aron Price  33:53  
Yeah, maybe we can get one on the podcast. All right. Well,

Scott Riley  33:57  
I think that's about enough for man. Thanks for sitting down on the casting couch with us and learn a little bit more.

Ramon Bescansa  34:03  
Oh, thanks for having me. That was That was fun. You guys are doing great. Keep doing great things.

Matt Every  34:08  
I don't think that couch has ever had that much charisma on it ever.

Aron Price  34:12  
Bring 1% Roman Reigns. But no very good having you on. We've known each other for 20 years, most of us with San Jose and playing UNC and you're a good man. I think it's crazy to for people to know what you know, like just you're privy to that much stuff out there, which to us seems normal but to the guy who's on the other side of the fence. Hopefully they got some sort of insight into what you do and and especially the perfect part of it. Do you have any idea how many units you've sold roughly?

Ramon Bescansa  34:43  
I don't but it's 10s of 1000s It's

Matt Every  34:45  
crazy like you know like right now you're still pumping you're we're still going we're doing better than ever

Ramon Bescansa  34:50  
I mean golf you can really see the golf is taking off and and yeah, it's

Aron Price  34:55  
it's the only thing well I could on the mark I'm telling

Matt Every  34:58  
you it's track man and per Rick Potter are like the two things that every tour guys got that's special

Aron Price  35:04  
every single day I have to bring the perfect Potter out and set up some stray parts and parts of the break and you know there's no chance you could be perfect without it.

Scott Riley  35:12  
I can't wait.

Ramon Bescansa  35:16  
How's with a lesson I told you?

Scott Riley  35:18  
Let's go. Show the selected local pickup thanks for watching.