Rewind episode from the Union and Metro Podcast ; Dan And Jeff

This is from the Union and Metro podcast link : https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/union-and-metro-podcast/id1619556779 This is with Dan Albert ( Buck o Nine) and Jeffrey Lee Hawthorne (Buck o Nine )

We had a few beers flowing and had some laughs as we catch up and the jokes fly and the drinks go down ! This was our longest episode to date.
jerm and jer chat with Dan Albert and Jeff Hawthorne . Dan plays trombone in Buck o Nine and Jeff Hawthorne played drums for Buck o Nine as well as G Spot.
  We go back to the roots  and once again the San Diego Reader is the place where they became a band thanx to the classifieds. This was 1987 .We discuss Jon Pebsworth( singer of Buck o Nine ) having a heart attack right before going on tour. Tony and Dan's stage mishap on the last show of the tour.
Having band members in 3 different states , practicing becomes different and touring is basically the way to get everyone together. We chat about international tours as well their live album and enough material for 2 more albums .
  Jeff's introduction to playing with G-Spot and replacement drummer on tour with Buck O Nine .  John Bell (UnwrittenLaw ) going on tour .
Jeff seems to have a nervous stomach before playing .
Lots of names dropped and lots of history !

drinking game : take a shot every time you hear a beer cracked open.
 
disclaimer : max was not with sepultura during that Japanese tour
honorable mentions :
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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:07

You've reached the Union and Metro Street podcast, where we discussed the San Diego music scene of the late 80s and all of the 90s. And the shows we worked and the shows we played at Some Alive. Here we go. Please introduce yourselves.

SPEAKER_07 0:28

Hi, I'm Dan from Bucko 9. He's a trombone player. Hi, I'm Jeff. Used to be the drummer of Bucko 9. What other band will you be in? Yeah. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Dan. How are you doing? Good to see you, lads. I haven't seen two of you in a long time. I've seen Dan all the time. Yeah. You saw me in September. Yeah, I saw you in September. Well, you probably haven't seen germs. I've been hiding for a while. Yeah. Definitely been hiding. Now I know where you live. You're screwed.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

I should have busted out the smoke machine. Oh yeah. So how are you guys doing? Dan, let's start with you since you got beer right at your mouth. Yes. Let me have a little quick sip.

SPEAKER_10 1:18

I just trying to kill the headache from last night hanging out with this guy. Slept on his couch. Yeah, old school. Still keeping it real.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

Yeah. Was it comfortable?

SPEAKER_10 1:30

Actually, it was.

SPEAKER_07 1:31

That's not bad. 17 and a half year olds trapped in 50-something year old bodies.

SPEAKER_10 1:36

Yeah, well, I always say I'm 15 years old. You know? Yeah. I'm 15. I'm really 53, but I'm 15 years old. Yeah. That's exactly how I feel.

SPEAKER_06 1:47

Yeah, little kid trapped in an old man's body. Sucks. See what it is. As soon as you accept it, then you're just like, yeah, all right. I'm on the downfall. Fuck it. Oh yeah. So speaking of, so what's going on with Buck09 these days?

SPEAKER_10 2:05

Um well I'm I'm sure everyone's heard, right? Uh John had a heart attack. Pebs had a heart attack and uh sucked.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Um had to cancel the tour.

SPEAKER_10 2:19

Yeah, yeah, we had to cancel the tour.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Um I got sick on the 27th, and everybody was concerned about me, and then what three days later John has a heart attack.

SPEAKER_10 2:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

It was just crazy, way crazy.

SPEAKER_10 2:37

Yeah, he's doing good now. You know, um, we're trying to um we had to move the tour back to September, I think it is, and you know, and hopefully he he's it's definitely a life change thing for him, you know. He's gonna change everything.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Yeah, no more drinking, no more smoking.

SPEAKER_10 2:53

Hey, I won't say that because we're a drinking man. Yeah, just roll off the fentanyl a little bit, maybe. Yeah. But you know.

SPEAKER_06 3:05

So who who was the tour with? I don't I don't remember.

SPEAKER_10 3:08

Uh Muster Plug and OmniGon. OmniGon, yeah. And I think the both bands are still gonna do the tour. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Oh, they're gonna be, yeah, they're gonna come back in September. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 3:20

Where was that tour gonna be at?

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Um first uh was the soda bar in San Diego, and then we're gonna play um the back backstage in in Vegas. We're gonna head and then we're gonna play Phoenix, yeah, Arizona, and can't remember where that was at.

SPEAKER_10 3:34

Then we're gonna end up in Garden Grove.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

It was Garden Grove, Garden Grove to San Jose, San Jose to Frisco, yeah, and Frisco to Sacramento, Sacramento to Eugene, Eugene to Seattle, yeah, Seattle to Portland, and then from Portland to Yosemite.

SPEAKER_10 3:53

Yeah, we're gonna play a shit a shit dive bar in a in a little what it's uh what's that town called?

SPEAKER_03 4:02

I can't remember. Oakhurst. Oakhurst. Yeah, Andy.

SPEAKER_10 4:04

Our bass player lives there.

SPEAKER_07 4:06

I was planning on going to the Vegas show and then going to uh party with Andy up in Oakhurst. Thanks, Pebs, for ruining all that. Dick.

SPEAKER_03 4:17

Yeah, he he was partying and the other party stopped.

SPEAKER_10 4:20

So yeah. Well, that's when I first talked of when I when John uh when I first talked to him, he's like, dude, party's over, bro.

SPEAKER_07 4:31

Party's done. I've never ever heard Pebs ever say that ever. Yeah. I can't believe it. I know. You're lying.

SPEAKER_10 4:38

That was kind of weird. But then the lat then the next time I hung out with him, he's like, Yeah, it was on his birthday. He's like, Yeah, uh, you know, it's not my not our typical, you know, birthday party, but who knows next year.

SPEAKER_07 4:54

There's still hope. That's the spirit, Johnny. He's a trooper, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:02

Well, by the time this comes out, then the the probably the rumor mill will take it a little further, but you know, just so that people know. Now, is this tour for a new album that you guys are doing?

SPEAKER_10 5:13

Uh we only go out once or twice a year, so it's just uh just uh once just to get out and and and play because people want to see you. I think so. I mean, we just do it for fun these days, you know. We love it.

SPEAKER_06 5:26

And weren't you guys recording a song or something?

SPEAKER_10 5:28

They're recording a live album. Yeah, the live album actually is done, but it just has it's been done shit since like last year, because that's when we went out there needing to be the middle of last year, it's been done. Yeah. And it's just taking time. COVID's kind of messed it up. Oh, yeah. Is that coming out on Cleopatra?

SPEAKER_04 5:48

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 5:48

But we actually have about two albums worth of music right now, ready to go. Oh, really? Yeah. Songs that are just we have like 22 or 24 songs, something like that, 21 songs. Damn. Ready to go, you know. Because what we do is we uh someone comes up with an idea and we just send it around through the internet and everyone puts their little t little flavor into it. Right. That's how we write music now.

SPEAKER_06 6:14

That's cool because how many different states are all the members in now?

SPEAKER_10 6:19

Let me see. Steve lives in Colorado. Three Tony lives in Nevada.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

Everybody else Cali.

SPEAKER_10 6:27

Yeah. But northern, so but we're yeah, we're kind of spread out, so it's kind of I miss the days of practicing, you know, like being a real band.

SPEAKER_06 6:36

I you know, I miss those days, but but then going on tour kind of you can cram it all in in a couple weeks and come home and writing music.

SPEAKER_10 6:46

It's better to be into like where we're all in one little room or just jamming and it's a little different when you do it through the internet. It's like you know, you do your part and it's it loses for me, it just leaves a little bit. No, I I totally agree. Try this. Or you know, even like as a horn player, you can hear something when we were talking about previous albums where you're like, hey, instead of trying like that little part, try this, or or you can sing it. Right. You know, and it's like you give like everyone's like collaborating on ideas off each other. The synergies are I miss that.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

Yeah. Well, when was the last time you guys were all in a room together, like when you guys actually did that before? How long ago was that? 97? No, I don't know. Yeah, so you guys you guys did that for sustain.

SPEAKER_07 7:45

You guys were all yeah, we we had uh rehearsed and re and rehearsed that album and demoed it like four times before we ever went to double time and actually recorded the album. So we yeah, we were knew those songs probably.

SPEAKER_10 7:56

I remember I was checked out of that album, remember.

SPEAKER_07 7:58

Well, he claims to be. He was there.

SPEAKER_10 8:00

I was there, but I was kind of like an athlete. Yeah. I just showed up and played my part.

SPEAKER_03 8:06

Back when you were doing heroin. Was everybody pretty much in Dago at that time? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:10

When you guys did uh Pebs was in LA. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:13

He would come down that far away, like like Andy or Steve.

SPEAKER_07 8:19

Actually, Andy had the rehearsal room at Greenfield Studios over there.

SPEAKER_10 8:22

Steve was he was Steve. Well, yeah, I know. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

But I'm saying like Steve now, Steve's all the way in Colorado. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:30

We FaceTime with Steve last night. Cheers, Steve Bauer. I love you. Yeah, we were at the bar. Remember, we were at the old side last night.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

He was there, but he I forgot there, but he wasn't there.

SPEAKER_07 8:42

It's Steve, Steve called me on FaceTime.

SPEAKER_10 8:44

We're like, hey, I was there in spirit, and I guess. I don't remember. What what bar were you guys at last night? We were at the old side. The old side.

SPEAKER_07 8:56

Right around the corner from me house.

SPEAKER_10 8:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 9:02

So what what um sorry about that. With uh the tour, tell me more about um what what sort of places are you guys playing now? I mean, is there still with COVID, with all the restrictions, everything going on? I mean, I know people weren't working for a while. And movie, you know, I got a friend up in in Hollywood, he wasn't working, no one's touring. So are these places like decent places with a tour, or is it I think well is it just you know dieboard?

SPEAKER_10 9:36

These like the band, we just play smaller venues, like three, two to you know, just a club, just a small club. Yeah, that's just you know, it's all we draw these days, is you know, but we just go out and we have fun and it doesn't matter for us. Right. Who shows up? If you show up, cool. If you don't, cool. As long as we're all together, that's all that matters for us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Well, the last show that you guys played wasn't a small club. What was that? Supernova. Oh yeah. Dan already forgot. I already forgot.

SPEAKER_07 10:08

Yeah, I would say you guys uh at least can pack 1,500 cedars or I would I would imagine so. Yeah. But Dan Dan's a skeptic, you know. He doesn't believe the band's as good as it is.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Well, how many people do you guys play in front of in Japan? Uh 4,000 people.

SPEAKER_07 10:25

4,000. Big big difference. Sorry, that was racist.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

Yeah, that was Dick, you've been canceled.

SPEAKER_10 10:40

Yeah, Japan is is yeah. I mean, it's weird, you know. You go over there and you haven't played very much, but then when you go there, there's like super fans and energy in the crowd that boosts boosts you. You're like, whoa. Yeah, everybody's huge in Japan. So yeah, we always love going there.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

How many times have you been to Japan?

SPEAKER_10 11:01

Well, uh with Buck O9.

SPEAKER_07 11:06

No, with uh Casey in the fucking sunshine. Yes, with Buck O9.

SPEAKER_10 11:10

No, but I used to, I mean, I used to play in Voodoo Glow Switch too. Sidewind there like a couple times, two or three times with them.

SPEAKER_03 11:18

Was it always the same amount of people with either band? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Because they just love American music, right?

SPEAKER_10 11:25

Oh, yeah. American, you know, punk scott. Whatever, whatever. Yeah, they love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:33

There's some crazy noise that used to come out from Japan, the boredoms, and Melt Banana, and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Melt banana's playing now. They're on tour right now. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh my god, I used to love that stuff.

SPEAKER_07 11:45

And loudness. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_06 11:48

I had their vinyl back in '84 or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

Was that uh band Guitar Wolf, right?

SPEAKER_06 11:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:54

They played some.

SPEAKER_06 11:55

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we had um God union, we had uh boredoms come through, and it was another one of those where everyone just kind of looked at us like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And um, I can't I don't remember who they played with, but I I loved it. I got the CD and I would play it all the time, just absolute chaos noise.

SPEAKER_07 12:16

When I I first joined the band in '98, it was probably my second two major tour. We did Canada first, and then it was like immediately to Japan. And we got there. We walked into this club, like the first night we were there, and Sepultura was playing. And we're just like, Oh wow, this is fucking awesome. I'm in the middle of freaking Tokyo, you know, Sepultura's playing.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

That was that was 98 when it was all the original lineup. Yeah, so Max was still singing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 12:42

So how many times have you been to Japan? Just once with the with the boys. Um, but uh you guys have been what at least four times.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

Yeah, three or four times. Yeah. Last time was in 2019, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 12:55

When Tony lost his part of my fault. You you busted him in the face with the trombone? No, we were you know doing our thing on stage, and I happened to step on his foot at the time he was leaning forward. And then it Oh, he fell into his trumpet. And then he yeah, he fell in and mashed his mouthpiece into his teeth. And I look over and it's and it's his blood coming down uh like on his gums, and he's trying to play. I remember I looked over and he's trying to play, and he's like doing his little like what the f like what the f with his tongue and his lips, and I was like, dude, no, no, raw nerves hanging out of your hands. No, don't do you're fucked up, no. And he before he even realized that he lost his teeth or half his teeth, it was so awesome because he was like, once he figured it out, he just put his trumpet down and he fucking went in the pit. And just the rest of the night, like two or three songs. We we were like, we had like yeah, two or three songs left. He just fucking went into the pit and fucking hung out in the pit. So we didn't have to deal with it. Yeah, and then after that we went and ate sushi and we were trying to eat it with his fucked up teeth. He was trying to eat sushi and it was like it hurts.

SPEAKER_07 14:23

God, it made me cold, cold sushi. Oh, it's awesome. But the nerve made me snore.

SPEAKER_10 14:28

So bad, he just fucking jumped in the pit.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

Like, so did he after after that happened, did he even sing anything? No. That was the last show.

SPEAKER_10 14:37

So it was the last last couple songs on that tour.

SPEAKER_07 14:40

Yeah, yeah. He said, I'm calling it sick. I'm calling it.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

So so he just hit the whole you finished the show with him in the pit, so he didn't he didn't perform after busted. Just danced around the rest of the time. He's expendable. He sent me the photos from that. Yeah, like some, I guess was it Andy that had recorded and he there was like still frames of him busting his his oh, I felt so bad.

SPEAKER_10 15:09

It was partly my fault, but it happens on stage.

SPEAKER_07 15:14

Grab a couple of chiclets, throw them up front, you're good. Keep playing.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

And they're tasty. Chickle. Poor poor Tony.

SPEAKER_06 15:27

Well, speaking of okay, so busted teeth, let's let's go to the the origin of the band. Like very the very beginning, let's just pick it apart. I mean, how did how did the band form?

SPEAKER_10 15:41

Uh, through the reader, like we were talking earlier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:44

Another reader band.

SPEAKER_10 15:45

That's how I gotten in the band. I was playing reggae music. And I was in the what band were you playing? Uh called Tiri Dread. T. Tiri Dread. Which played so much. They're still around. There's they've been around for like 35, 40 years. Yeah, and they yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

They did a show with you guys at the music box a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_10 16:05

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:06

Was Seamus in that band?

SPEAKER_10 16:08

There's so many dudes run in and out of the band. I don't even know anymore.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

Yeah, and this would be It's the two twins.

SPEAKER_10 16:15

No, not in bass, it's Fred and Rod. Rod uh is the bass player and he's always been a bass player. Oh, okay. Fred and Lynn's band. Yeah, they're the twins. And they've kind of, you know, they've been doing it since the 80s, early 80s, I think. Yeah. Playing reggae music, and I joined in in the late 80s. And then I started getting into ska. I want to play some ska and open up the reader. Ska band, looking for horns.

SPEAKER_08 16:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_10 16:44

And I answered it. Craig, uh, or Sax player Craig uh called. I called him and like we had practice. You know, every Thursday. We had it was cool because every Thursday you get to get to go to practice. Yeah. That's the kind of shit that I was talking about earlier. Like, I miss that, you know. Yeah. It's like not not a job, but it's like something you look forward to every week. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

And it's consistent.

SPEAKER_10 17:10

And was uh Tony in in uh Tiari dread? Tony, yeah, me and Tony were in Tiri Dread together, and then I brought Tony in into um because you guys grew up you guys grew up together, right? Yeah. And actually I stopped playing I stopped playing trombone uh when we first when we me and Tony graduated in 1986 from O'Farrell SCPA and I stopped playing my horn for like a year. I was like, eh, I was done. I was done. And then Tony brought me in, bought back. He's like, hey, we're having this little party at my house, and can you play horn? I'm like, nah, nah. And he's like, come on, blood, come on, blood. You know, back then they wouldn't call each other blood, you know. Come on, blood, just play. I'm like, alright, I'll do it. And then once I got that, it's like a it's like a drug again, you know, it's like a drug.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 18:04

Playing again, it's like, oh yeah, okay, I'm back. I'm back, you know. So and then you know, and then what what year was that? 1987.

SPEAKER_06 18:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:18

And then back then the ska scene and it was kind of there, but not it didn't get human.

SPEAKER_10 18:25

Because me and him, he actually uh played with um uh what was it what are they called?

SPEAKER_07 18:32

Um The Specials after he got out of Vietnam.

SPEAKER_10 18:34

Oh no, no. Me and Tony played with uh Gangbusters. It was Donkey Shows. Donkey Shows. No, it was Angelo Moore's uh cousin uh we went to high school with Damian Dunmore's our our friend. Daddy Long Legs? Yeah, it was pre-Daddy Long Legs. Okay it was pre-Daddy Dum Legs.

SPEAKER_06 18:57

Yeah, I'm trying to think of what band that was in a kid.

SPEAKER_10 18:59

And we played with them for maybe a couple months, two or three months, and we wrote horns and played music and played a couple shows, and uh you know, it was fun. You know? Yeah. So we just couldn't the way the way I think of it is we weren't at that level, so I don't know, they wanted to progress more, and then I don't know what happened. I don't know how we it's so long ago, you know, like was I kicked out of the band, or was I not kicked out of the band, or you know, like it's hard to remember, but yeah, it's pretty daddy long legs. I think we were called uh long legs daddies. Was it Bad Attitude?

SPEAKER_06 19:38

Bad attitude, yeah. That sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_10 19:40

Yeah, yeah. It was a long time ago. Yeah, Mike and it a lot all those players that played in that band are still super musicians. Like, you know, I'm just a horn player and I kind of suck, but but those guys are super musicians and they're still doing it. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 19:59

Yeah. Yeah, I remember back well when I was hanging out with short-lived and slowly coming up to the idea of doing what ended up doing at Soma, that would have probably been because I graduated in 86, so later 87 was when we started, or 88, we started going to shows, and there you know, there'd be by then Daddy Long Legs would be around. Yeah, um, I think Donkey's show maybe was fizzing out, maybe. Um, but there was the uh Rockabilly, Psychabilly, but the the shows, the ska shows, were the ones that I like to go to because it was cool, everyone was respectful, yeah. It was really amazing musicians, and it had some of the coolest fucking places, and I could show up in my leather jacket and my mohawk, yeah, and I wasn't you know chased down like I was some stupid punk, even though I was. But you know, the community I always have I've said this before and did with uh John in the documentary thing is if it wasn't for that scene, I wouldn't have been able to get the confidence to do what I did at Stoma. So for me, like what I like to hear is the origin of all the bands, how they actually got together. Because you know, I don't have a single well, you know, cockroach is something that we joke about doing again, but we already did. I think we've agreed that we did four shows, but I've never had anything that had that longevity. And you guys had that brotherhood, and just did you know to me, I that's I nerd out on that stuff. Yeah. So I like I want to know like everything, like Jeff, when what when did you come in? Where uh I need to know all the histories.

SPEAKER_07 21:45

I I was a huge fan of Buck O9 before I joined, and when I did join, I asked all those same questions and I became kind of a historian of the band. Like I I probably know more than uh half the guys in the band. Like Buck Naked came out in ninety one and blah blah blah, you know. The first cassette tape you guys did. Where did you guys record that at? Do you remember? Buck naked.

SPEAKER_10 22:05

Uh no.

SPEAKER_07 22:07

It was a cassette tape, right? Yeah. And then um Songs of the Cabri came out in what ninety three? Ninety-four? Something around there.

SPEAKER_10 22:18

Somewhere around there.

SPEAKER_07 22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 22:22

I remember where we recorded that. Well, I was a double time, right? Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:26

Jeff Forrest. Man who's recorded every album in San Diego.

SPEAKER_10 22:30

But yeah, Jeff joined in what? 90.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

98. 98. It's funny. I actually had a dream about a month before I got a call from Scott Kennedy that I had to fill in for Buck O9. I swear, I had a dream. I was like, I have a I have a lot of these dreams. I've been in the Beatles, Foo Fighters. I still have these dreams, but um at the time. I still pretend that Ozzy's my dad. So I'm always filling up. He doesn't know it, but I'm the fill-in drummer for half the bands on the planet. True that. Scott Kennedy called me. He's like, hey man, you want to try out for a real band? And I was like, yeah. His exact quote. I was in G-Spot at the time. And uh went and tried out. And that was very eye-opening because uh, you know, G Spot was great. My friends, we I I came home from college in '93 and joined that band at a house party, and it was just like that was the way it was. And they never really wanted to get on tour, and I was kind of always like, let's go on tour, guys. Let's get outside of you know Arizona and LA. So I was looking to join a band that was touring, and so Scott called me, he's like, Trial for a real band. I went tried out on like the same week that Robin Diaz tried out, which was the drummer they ended up picking outside of me. He was killer drummer, but he was more like a rock drummer, right? Didn't have the ska chops. And they went to Australia with him and came home and they were like, Yeah, he's out of the band. Can you be in Canada in like a month?

SPEAKER_04 24:03

And I was like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:04

But now he plays for can't candle box and shit.

SPEAKER_10 24:07

Yeah, like he's he's like a rock drummer, like a mega rock. He's done fine for himself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:12

Well, so that you don't feel guilty for replacing him in a real band.

SPEAKER_07 24:17

Thank you, Robin. And Steve for bowing out for that short period of time, because I mean it just it changed my world, you know. And Pebb's call was like, hey man, can you be in Canada in a month? And I was like, Yes, I had no passport, you know. I was like, and to get the passport rushed, and I was hung up that phone call, man. I was jumping the walls like fucking Bucko 9, man. And went to Canada and Japan and Australia and you know, 15 years in that band. It was a lot of fun. But that first rehearsal, my back to that point, was the power and the sound that the band had in that rehearsal room was mind-blowing, man. It was different than the band I was in at the time.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

So, what's crazy is you were in the band longer than Scott.

SPEAKER_07 25:00

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He quit. Um what real band is he in now? I don't know. What is he doing? He's in a band called Parenthood. Oh, yeah. No, uh, actually, me and Scott and uh our friend John formed a band called Plural um a few years into the good and put out an album too. And put out three or four records, I guess, but you know, just on our own. Scott's still a good friend of mine. I still talk to him now and then. Um, but yeah, he was over it and whatever. So then we got John Bell from Unwritten Law. That was fun. Yeah. The bass player?

SPEAKER_10 25:35

Yeah. He was in the band for a while.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

Yeah, and then that's when that's when Pebs had off-ramp records, and he he brought out um on that tour, he brought out the first band he signed, which Mark Arnold was in from Big Drill Car, um, The Scrimmage Heroes.

SPEAKER_07 25:52

Oh, yeah, the Scrimmage Heroes. Very good band.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

The Scrimmage Heroes were the shit. Yeah, and who was the first one? You know who got the show. You know who got on the scrimmage heroes? You? I did. Sweet. Because Adam Neal, who was the bass player of that band, actually worked for me at Soma. Nice. He was my stage guy and he started doing sound. Yeah. So I I hey John check, you know, John started the record label and go, hey, check this band out. And that's when John was running the epicenter. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:18

I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

I'm I'll check him out, and then they started that tour, and then what happened with the Bell.

SPEAKER_07 26:26

Oh, yeah. So oh, it was was Japan Bell's first tour with us, right? Yeah. So uh we get to Japan, Bell's first tour, and Tony was always on the cutting edge of whatever technology we had. If cell phone, he had it. If there was a recording device, he had it. And he had a uh like a digital dat device that he had bought in Japan, and we just plugged it straight into the board at the uh Osaka show and Tokyo shows, the two shows we played, and they recorded it straight off the board. And the s the the mixes and the sounds were so good, we turned that into a live record, which came out on off rant, which was one of John's uh first records he did, I guess, was ours. Hellos and goodbyes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we we took it to uh a a master in LA and just had a master it, and that was it came out good. Came up pretty good.

SPEAKER_10 27:15

That's yeah. The the first uh the first line. Uh sorry, uh sorry, uh sorry we're a little late. Our drummers out back uh puking and then our drummers throwing up throwing up.

SPEAKER_07 27:27

Yeah, it's all why thief because you were one of like the four times I've I've puked right before we were gone on stage. The first one was when I first joined the band, we were playing it uh belly up. Like my family was there, and you know, we rehearsed, I was confident, but I was like going to the show, and I was just like, blah, okay, I'm good, ready to go. Yeah, just nerves or yeah, just like nervous energy and warm water. I drank like a just a thing of warm water. I was like, that didn't sit well.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

No.

SPEAKER_07 27:59

And outside of the key club, uh threw up one time there, and then uh uh in Scotland the night after we after we were smoking hash and tobacco cigarettes all right.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

But I was going back to uh to Bell, um, you guys were touring the US when something happened to him.

SPEAKER_07 28:18

Yeah, we were in Pittsburgh. Yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_10 28:23

Well, we're on our way to Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_07 28:25

Luckily we No, we got to that club. We were there. He had been looking a little peaked for the like four or five days before that. He was just pale as a ghost. And he was shitting blood. Yeah, he was his blood was coming out of his hiny. And we thought, oh, if you had a bad slider at White Castle or something, you know. He was walking across the stage during sound check in Pittsburgh and just collapsed. And blood was coming out of him, and it was like, whoa, and it was just instant. I called a paramedics, get him to the hospital. He was in the hospital for four days before they diagnosed him with um Meckles diverticulum.

SPEAKER_10 29:02

Yeah. Which is uh another stomach that grows in your stomach?

SPEAKER_07 29:07

Well, I think it's uh basically when you're born, you have you know, your umbilical cord uh from your belly button. On the inside of your stomach can be a little flap of skin that slowly gets eroded by stomach acid in your 30s or so. It goes boom and you bleed out. It took them a few days to figure it out. Luckily, um, we had all signed up for insurance on that tour. Yeah, Cobra insurance. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 29:29

We all got insurance, like which we never had before. Yeah, the band bought the everyone insurance. Yeah, and uh we went on tour and that.

SPEAKER_07 29:38

We basically canceled tour in Pittsburgh, got in the van or the RV, and just drove back home. And that was kind of the beginning of what seemed like the end at the time.

SPEAKER_03 29:47

It was like, well, that was pretty much the end of uh scrimmage heroes, too. Yeah, shit was the the ship was sinking.

SPEAKER_07 29:54

It was a tense, yeah, tense uh drive home for sure. I was there. We were staying at a hotel that had a Howard Johnson attached to it, and in my infinite wisdom, I thought, well, the bar had closed and it just had like these swinging saloon doors. It was still accessible, it was darkened, you know.

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:14

So I walked into the bar and I grabbed a bottle of Jack Daniels from behind the bar, and I thought, oh, the boys are gonna love this, you know, put it in my backpack, go up to the room.

SPEAKER_06 30:24

You leave a 20 or another.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

They're like, you motherfucker, you stole a bottle of Jack Daniels.

SPEAKER_07 30:29

I'm like, sorry, I thought, like, you know, we're all just trying to So uh during the course of the evening, uh it fell over in my backpack and just soaked everything I owned in Jack Daniels and it just emptied itself, and the next morning it was like whap, whap, mw. Do the whole thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 30:51

And you just smell like a barroom floor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:54

I wasn't I wasn't greeted with the accolades I thought I was going to be greeted with.

SPEAKER_06 30:58

Everybody was like, you fucking He didn't try to wring it out and get some of it.

SPEAKER_07 31:03

Suck it out of my underwear, like a little bit of there. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 31:06

Oh god, there was times that I've I I've been known in the early days to go around and try to find which beer I might have left a little bit at. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_10 31:17

Round them up at the end of the night. Just go by the door and know where all the full ones are. So just go by a door and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 31:25

I'd always stash a couple of my in mind for the the you know the after party. Dad's like, I know you got a couple left.

SPEAKER_06 31:30

Like, yeah, yeah. Always. Oh yeah. And I would do leave um for a while there, so I didn't piss off when I was doing Sin 77. I didn't want to piss off the drummer because I was supposed to be sober at the time. And he would just rake me about anything that was going on. He just he was the breakup was imminent. It was my band, but it was coming, so I had little gin bottles. And um, it was at the Ken Club. You know, we're just going, oh yeah, I'm getting some picks, grab a gin bottle, and then you know, drink it so quick, and I'm not really a gin drinker, so then I'm like, Well, fuck, I probably I might puke. I can play, I'm fine, I'm professional. But it was you know, obviously I'm walking away looking like looking like I just freaking swelled a bottle of gin really quick. Oh, the good old days.

SPEAKER_07 32:23

Yeah, for me, I mean, you know, I was working just crap jobs, aerospace jobs, whatever. So whenever we went on tour, I was like kid in the candy store. And first bus tour we did, I would just stay up all night. I would sit with the bus driver and just drink beers. I'm like, I'm seeing America, man. This is like, and these guys have been through the ringer a million times. They're in bed responsibly, you know, at like two in the morning. I would go to bed when the sun came up, and then they would wake me up at like sound check.

SPEAKER_04 32:48

Yeah, five or five thirty. Come on, hard.

SPEAKER_10 32:51

Tournaments gone. Uh could someone uh wake up, chat?

SPEAKER_07 32:56

I was a vampire man for several tours. I never saw the daylight.

SPEAKER_06 33:01

So with them, did you only do bus tours?

SPEAKER_07 33:04

Uh and R V, I think. Yeah. Uh we were R V first tour, and then uh we had one bus tour when we were still doing what we're talking about. So you guys had a tour bus? Yeah. Yeah. Through TBT. We had a tour bus.

SPEAKER_06 33:16

Did you you did vans back in the day or one van with the trailer, maybe? I never had to do a van.

SPEAKER_07 33:22

I only did RV.

SPEAKER_10 33:23

That's how we started. It was the little gray van, a little Chevy, a little 12 passenger with the our trailer was no bigger than this table. It only fit a couple drums in there, and that was it.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

And that was with uh Mike Lucena and and Roach. Yeah, our first tour.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

You guys had the MARP zone, dude.

SPEAKER_10 33:41

Yeah, we built the MARP zone. That's what we call it, marsupial zone in the back. Oh yeah. So you you we built this little area um out of wood, and then the bottom part you can just crawl under there, and it's all dark, and you just like go in there and sleep the whole drive. It's like you're like a little possum or or a little bit of a few.

SPEAKER_07 34:03

That that was before my days, but I would heard hear the stories about it. I think uh Scott was in there, right? And you guys were towing a trailer through Colorado or something. We're in Cheyenne, uh, Wyoming while I was driving.

SPEAKER_10 34:15

Yeah, the snow accident where you guys spun up. Yeah, because uh what happened was I was driving and it was super windy. When when when the weather gets like crazy, I'm the dude. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:28

Dan Dan's the man when it comes to driving those RVs. I get under there. He can flip a UI and like with within three lanes, he can flip that flip that RVs.

SPEAKER_07 34:38

Stormy conditions are about Dan's behind the biggest.

SPEAKER_10 34:40

I'm the guy, sure. And um, so I'm just drive, we're just driving on the freeway. I see black ice coming. So when black ice comes, you know, you just I I you let off the gas pedal, you just kind of let it ride over. You know, you don't touch no brakes, you just let it ride. So all of a sudden, it's so windy or I look in the river in the little side mirror, and I see our trailer just going to the pulling to the left because it's so windy, it doesn't have a lot of weight. Right. It's it's so windy, it blew the trailer over. And then the when the trailer blows over, there's no coming back.

SPEAKER_06 35:22

That's the old shit moment right there.

SPEAKER_10 35:25

I saw it, and I'm like, oh fuck. And then remember going to the left, to the right, to the left, to the back. Huh? So and then all of a sudden we spin around like a couple times, and we ended up in a little, little, you know, little ditch there. Yeah, and then uh yeah, broke out the back window. Scott was laying right there.

SPEAKER_07 35:47

He was in the MARP zone, which you can imagine how scary that would be being in a dark enclosed space and your van's spinning around. That's so funny. You're like in a vortex just going.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

That's so funny you guys brought that up because when I toured with Papa Roach, we had the same thing, that little yeah, that little MARP zone.

SPEAKER_10 36:03

Yeah, and it's cool because I I had it up until about like maybe 10 years ago. I saved the MARP zone because we would do little drawings on it, so it had like everyone's little personal cool shit, their little art and little things. It was cool, and eventually I had got rid of it. You know, I can't save everything.

SPEAKER_07 36:20

Yeah, that was probably a technique that they learned from other bands. It's kind of a you know, like, yeah, make a little space. At least one or two people can get some time off to just crash.

SPEAKER_06 36:31

Yeah, I remember that from early days. I mean, even skateboarders still do that. But it's just out of practicality because you know, when before anyone had any money, and if you got a van, you have to utilize the whole frickin' thing. And it's you know, you're right there next to the people. So if you don't like the people you're touring with or in your van or if there's any tension, you're fucked. Yeah, that's probably why I never toured, because uh it was me and myself and Irene. Yeah, but um, yeah, I can I can only imagine. Because personally, I don't I don't I don't like driving that much. And I can't drive and when it starts raining hard. But if I got a whole bunch of people and I got someone in a little, you know, the cocoon in the back, I would I wouldn't be screaming no shit. I'd be jumping out going, you know, you're on your own. I'm out.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

So I want to bring up, you know, speaking about touring, um I remember hearing that your guys' favorite tour was with Smash Mouth.

SPEAKER_10 37:34

Yeah. Smash Mouth. That was a good tour for us, actually.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

You just didn't get along with the band.

SPEAKER_10 37:41

Yeah, we no, it was good because yeah, we would just take their fans every night because they, you know, they had so much radio play and we were supporting them, and you know, we're up and coming. We had a little, you know, my town was like, I think number on the charts, like 20 something or 30 something on the charts. You know, they call it a a soft hit.

SPEAKER_07 38:05

Well, you had 52 radio stations across America, but it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_10 38:08

Oh, it's a soft hit. It's a soft hit.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

Because I remember um the machines were recording, I think they were recording maybe battle hymns. Um, and so Jay and I and Royce uh actually went to the glasshouse. That was the last show of that tour. And we went over there and uh I just remember we were talking, I think we were talking to Scott, and he was just like, oh my god, I'm so glad we're done with this this band. Hate these guys.

SPEAKER_10 38:35

Yeah, they're kind of uh, yeah, it was trippy time. Our our drummer Steve almost beat up the singer Steve of Smash Mouth. We were in Stone Pony in Jersey. Wow. Yeah, I remember I was setting up merch and all of a sudden our drummer Steve, well, no, singer Steve's going down, and our drummer Steve's behind him, come here, motherfucker, I'm gonna kick your ass right now. I'm gonna fucking he was literally chasing him down and he wanted to beat him up. Wow, and it came from like because singer Steve was like I'm more punk rock, or I'm punk rock, and this and that, and I mean it kind of offended Steve. And he's like, You ain't punk rock, and he was gonna kick his ass for some reason. And so was the singer Steve uh afraid of Steve? Oh, he was running from him. Nice, that's the story I got. That guy acts like he's kicking everybody's ass. Or I was on the stage, or and then David just went, they just went right by. I'm like, holy shit. And then so it became like uh, you know, and we're a band, so we're a team. We're like, oh fuck those guys, you know. Oh, yeah, you know, and there's more there's more of you guys than there is in Smash Bells.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Somebody was told.

SPEAKER_10 39:51

What happened? And this was a bus tour, too. So uh there were always, you know, you're on the bus, and fans always like you know, try to get on. And then like this group of girls were knocking on our door, on the bus door, and like they came on the bus, and like, are you guys smash mouth? And we're like, Yeah, can you sign her? Can you sign her? Uh, I don't know if it's t-shirts or something. We're like, okay. So we signed it as them, and we I we put stuff like fuck you and your mom, or I eat, I eat poo, or we you know, like, yeah, we suck shit like that. We signed it and we gave it back to them, and then it somehow got back to them, and then their manager called the next day, called our manager, our and they're like, Yeah, that was that was Kathy, right? Yeah, yeah, and they were like, they were so pissed they were gonna kick us off the tour over that. Well, yeah, that's like that's how you know they're not punk rock. You should have fucking laughed at it. Yeah, yeah, you dumbasses don't know who the band is, exactly laugh at it. So they were that that tells you they're not punk rock, and so they uh they were gonna kick us off the tour, and then our manager and the and the label talked, and then they were like, okay, so check it out. If you guys are gonna kick us off the tour, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna go one day in advance and play free show every day for free.

SPEAKER_07 41:34

And just fuck your tour up.

SPEAKER_10 41:36

Yeah, just to mess your tour up. And then now we're on.

SPEAKER_06 41:41

They're like, how are we gonna get on MTV and promote that these guys are dicks because Smash Mouth is the greatest fan in the world.

SPEAKER_07 41:48

I remember asking Steve Bauer about that story. I was like, what happened? He was like, we know they would never strike their drum kit. Yeah, you know, and literally, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_10 41:56

They had fucking one tiny, like Steve literally would have been at the edge of the stage. Steve was already just like, fuck these guys, you know. And John would have been to the right or to the left. It was like that tiny of a stage.

SPEAKER_07 42:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 42:09

And you guys would be playing on the floor. Yeah, which we've had.

SPEAKER_07 42:13

I think Scott said he's like, I saw Steve Bauer take his glasses off and you run out the door. He's like, I knew shit was going down. Yeah, like Steve was ready to knock the motherfucker songs.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

Oh my god, please.

SPEAKER_07 42:27

He's my hero for sure.

SPEAKER_06 42:28

So whose infinite wisdom was it to book you with Smash Mouth?

SPEAKER_10 42:33

I mean, that just during the time of, you know, we had a little little uh radio play. They were on the the charts, so it was just um, you know, they kind of like they kind of were in that little mix of I guess friendly ska or reggae or right, right, right. Kind of part of that little bit. Trying to do the crossover and develop it made sense if you're trying to like for the label, like okay, well, you know, we'll put them with them because were they signed with two TBT?

SPEAKER_03 43:06

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_10 43:07

They're they're doing like they're in somebody big, big label.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Bigger label, yeah, they're and we just I know usually uh label mates will tour together, you know.

SPEAKER_06 43:19

So yeah, it just it seems like the most bizarre. If I had to book something with Smash Mouth, I'd you know, I wouldn't put neurosis. Well, check this out.

SPEAKER_10 43:29

Uh Baco9 is the talking about weird tours, uh talk about Baco9 and Primus together. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Les Claypool. We supported Primus one month tour.

SPEAKER_06 43:40

I I could see that better than Smash just because Smash Mouth to me seems like spring break.

SPEAKER_10 43:46

I was it was awesome for us. MTV. No, it was awesome because because what we did is, you know, I think we're a little bit harder. I mean you guys and then we're more raw, edgy, and yeah. And so every Every night went in front of their crowd and just killed it and just Yeah, because you guys were punk.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Smash Mouth was pop. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:06

Yeah, they seemed very generated, industry generated. So did you guys see like record sales and everything bump up because of that tour?

SPEAKER_10 44:13

I think so. I mean, I wasn't really paying attention back then, you know? At the numbers. I think that's more of a John question. Because he was more like into what are the numbers and what are we doing? And yeah, I think that's more of a John question. And when I get my per diem. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 44:30

We didn't have per diems, man.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

You didn't have per diemes back then?

SPEAKER_10 44:34

Well, yeah, we did. Our our first per diem was three dollars a day to eat.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

No way.

SPEAKER_10 44:39

For one day.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Really? Yeah. Damn, that's pretty low because I heard in the 70s it got to be a big Taco Bell, baby. We gave each other three bucks. Dude, the 70s were they were getting paid like a hundred and something dollars or per diem. No per day.

SPEAKER_10 44:52

We wouldn't, we our first tour, uh only three dollars a day to eat. That's crazy. And no catering. Uh you might get one pizza for the whole band at night, but other than that, three bucks a day. That's all you got.

SPEAKER_06 45:07

I remember leaving the club with three bucks in my pocket, going, yeah, I paid all the guys to clean up the lot.

SPEAKER_10 45:11

It was a what year, what year was that?

SPEAKER_06 45:13

It was a vanter year.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

That was uh because you could actually stretch those Scamal Loser tour, we called it. Because when I was out with Papa Roach, um I mean we're we were getting a lot more in I think $15. No, we got three dollars. I could live off of I could live off of um um whoppers.

SPEAKER_10 45:32

You just get uh burrow back then, two boom burritos and a little taco at some water taco bell, and then no, no, you just order, yeah, you get water. Scabalousure was free lemons and put sugar in it, and you got lemonade.

SPEAKER_07 45:45

Scabalousature was what 94? Yeah, five, something like that.

SPEAKER_10 45:48

It was called Scamageddon, and it was with um ME330, Gangster Fun, Us, and I forget what was it?

SPEAKER_03 46:01

I can't even say their name. Mescoscophiles? I mean, Mephoscopheles, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 46:06

I don't think it I don't think they were on that tour. But um I mean Link 80. Yeah. What happened was a lot of people we all got sick and Taco Bell shit. Like, you know, you know, when you show up to club, you know, you hear when bands show up at the club and they're like, wait, who are you? You're not booked here. We're looking at our paper and it's like, yeah, we are, and you're like, no, you're not. So it was that shit was happening. We're like, fuck, that's why we call it the Scamma Loser.

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Was it was the booking all screwed up or what?

SPEAKER_10 46:35

Oh yeah. That was the booking agent who was actually dead now because he used to do heroin.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Oh, no wonder he was doing heroin while he was booking. Yeah, probably booked the wrong places and sent you guys somewhere else.

SPEAKER_10 46:48

We stayed at his house. He lived in uh south, dirty south somewhere. And with um, I remember we we stayed there with um what is uh on Tang Records. Um Boston? No, no, it's another band. Uh they're out of big fat dudes.

SPEAKER_06 47:07

Uh Cad.

SPEAKER_10 47:10

It's more kind of old, old punk. And we're on tour and we stayed at our Oblican agent's house with them, with the dude's name. Oh for God. I remember he fucking dude snored, no, the white dude, and he snored like a fucking grizzly bear, and we're sitting on the floor.

SPEAKER_04 47:32

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_10 47:33

And the whole house is rocking with this snoring.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

What kind of what kind of music were they?

SPEAKER_10 47:38

Um, kind of 80s punk.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Like was it the was it the mentors? No, it's on they're on Tang Records. Um it wasn't uh was it Battalion of Saints?

SPEAKER_10 47:50

No. No.

SPEAKER_06 47:53

No, you'll probably find him fashion me if I look it up.

SPEAKER_10 47:56

Yeah, I forget. We played a show, like we were done, we did little shows with them here and there, and then uh I just remember sleeping at our old Republican agent's house, and then his wife's sister or girlfriend was trying to hook up with band members. It was kind of weird. I was like, I didn't remember that. Shit was fucking funny back then. BA? BA, is that his name? BA.

SPEAKER_07 48:30

He snored like a fucking just type into Google group of fat guys on Ting Records.

SPEAKER_10 48:35

I know I'm trying to again because you know when you get overweight and shit and you know, you snore like a big big bigger. You snore like a bird.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

There's a lot of air coming out of that belly. There's um like negative effects. Nope. Um I'm trying to remember what freaking bands back then.

SPEAKER_07 48:53

Um the mind's a bit foggy these days.

SPEAKER_06 48:56

Oh god, the fog is foggy. It's my I start thinking of something and I go, oh yeah, I should probably oh, skateboards.

SPEAKER_10 49:04

Oh yeah skateboards.

SPEAKER_06 49:09

Oh, something haunted. What was I doing? Oh yeah, my pants are I gotta go to the bathroom. Geez, skateboard, squirrel. Butterfly. I did that once, a graphic completely off the subject, but I I did uh just the little dotted lines or you know, little dots going across a whole deck and then a butterfly. That's a oh look, a skateboard, crossed it out butterfly. I think I uh sold it or probably gave it away. And all the time.

SPEAKER_07 49:39

It wasn't a very bad round. You painted all these? Yeah, the majority of them. Amazing.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

So so I brought up the uh Smash Mouth tour. How was the uh face-to-face tour? Um, the one through Canada? When you guys were uh promoting 2018. That was I think we that was I don't know if that was That was the first time you guys played Ventura you did a whole face-to-face tour in Canada. Well, this was America. Okay. Because you guys put again, that was the first time you guys played Ventura because I was with you guys when you guys played Ventura the second time.

SPEAKER_10 50:12

Oh, I just um I mean why Chicago face-to-face all nobody remembers.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

No straight up exactly what happened. This I remember the the Canada tour. You don't you don't remember Scott Schifflet, the bass player from face to face? He he was in a he had neck surgery, he was in a like a like a brace around his neck.

SPEAKER_10 50:31

Oh, that one that was the later days. I'm thinking about the earlier days.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

No, yeah, this is af after 2018. This is uh you guys were out promoting that album with face to face.

SPEAKER_07 50:43

We were well I know I know that Buckle and I did tour with face to face probably before 2018.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

Well, this was after.

SPEAKER_10 50:51

No, this is during 2018. Yeah, because one of the first tours you guys did. It was after I was out. You were on tour when we tried to get Meeks, remember uh a hooker?

SPEAKER_07 51:01

That was that was with Suicide Machines in Canada.

SPEAKER_10 51:04

Oh, wrong. See it all it all matches.

SPEAKER_07 51:07

Yeah, that was my first tour with Suicide Machines through Canada. And yeah, we tried to get our root hooker for his birthday.

SPEAKER_06 51:15

So that's the one that Paves called you up and said Canada. Yeah, 30 days.

SPEAKER_07 51:21

30 days, get a passport, get your shit together. I was just like, yeah. Suicide machines, man.

SPEAKER_03 51:26

Yeah, the first tour was with the machine.

SPEAKER_07 51:27

Yeah, cool. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

What year was that?

SPEAKER_07 51:31

1998. 1998. July. Nice 15th. It was a Wednesday.

SPEAKER_10 51:40

I I have a weird um my first uh presentation to the suicide machines. Oh, yeah, for DJs.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

I heard I heard the story before.

SPEAKER_10 51:50

It's very good. It's very good.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

I guess we can talk about it because the guys are gonna talk about are not the band anymore.

SPEAKER_10 51:58

It was like 95, I think. 95. Because I I used to be like uh a custodian for the school district here. So I used to be able to take like a month leave of absence and shit. So I flew out, I think was it Buffalo, I forget where it was. I flew out, the guys already were on tour, and I you know had to do my my job, and then I flew out, and when I was going, they're like, Oh yeah, this bandword tour with Bandor. They're they're kind of crazy, they're crazy. And so first thing I I show up, and a couple of the suicide guys came up, and they you know, they try to they come up on you, try to pat you on the dick and shit, and you're like, okay, go ahead. So what and and that was probably one those guys touring is pretty rad because they had this thing called shit on command. And I watched it. They literally would just pull their pants down, open their cheeks up, and shit.

SPEAKER_04 53:07

Like just splat your face.

SPEAKER_10 53:13

The great punk name. That's the name I knew, man. And then they had a they had a roadie, his name was uh Slave Steve.

SPEAKER_06 53:24

And they just already it's it's getting bad.

SPEAKER_10 53:29

Well it's red. They would hook up. They weren't woke where it's red. They were like, I can make my dick fart. Yeah, dude. And you're like the dick. Nah, what? They're like, yeah, I'll show you. And they would literally put straws, they put it straw, starch. Like the mini coffee straw. And then put them all together to where they all the way to their mouth, and they would blow air into their dicks. Blow air. Oh my lord. And they're like, watch it fart. They'd pin it. And literally, yeah, they would blow air into their fucking dickhead and fucking fart out of their dick. Oh my lord. So how long have they been on the road? Yeah, and they were kids. They were like 18, 19, 19. Suicide machines were definitely dick upset. We used to have uh 40 boat parties at Mama Sans. They're I think Royce lived there in their basement. We would go to Detroit, we have 40 boat. They would just literally come with crates of 40 boats, and we go in the basement and just have a fucking party all night long. And then Royce would put on animal porn like at about four or five in the morning.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

That's Royce. Yeah, who's now an attorney?

SPEAKER_10 54:42

Were those the depends party? Ah, but you still can't stop looking. It's weird.

SPEAKER_06 54:53

That's it. I'm having too many flashbacks of weird parties.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

No. Animals fucking humans. Yeah. Or humans fucking animals. Yeah. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah. And not the furry ones. You're like, ah, gross. Were they were they playing uh German scat porn too? Or any of that kind of crazy stuff?

SPEAKER_07 55:14

I had heard so many stories about suicide machines before we went on tour. I think uh Royce famously got naked in Scott's sitting back.

SPEAKER_10 55:24

Scott are our our original bass player, homophobic a little bit here and there. No, they they he wasn't homophobic. He was dykophobic. It was the same tour where you know, like the guys tell me they're gonna fuck with you. I'm like, okay, touch my dick. I don't care. Like, I've been on tour, whatever. So Scott's like, no, he was always like when you when you show that you care, oh, they're gonna fuck with you more. You don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, they'll give a shit. So one night we're staying in I don't know, some some bar. It was like an old house, or someone's family had an old house in some Egypt cornfield, and all the bands stayed there. And so literally everyone's sleeping bags in the living room, everyone's just hanging out, and then um Scott had to go pee. So I guess Royce and Slave Steve got butt naked, and they went in his sleeping bag together. So, so when when Scott got out of his bathroom to come back to his sleeping bags, they're all like, hey.

SPEAKER_03 56:38

Come join us. It's a sausage party.

SPEAKER_07 56:43

Our last show.

SPEAKER_10 56:44

It's fucking funny as fuck.

SPEAKER_07 56:46

Our last show of the tour when I was with them. Uh we were playing the show, and they had Royce or somebody in the band had put baby powder in between my hi-hats. And I was playing this fucking just powder is just going. And then Royce comes up behind me, butt naked, rubbing his dick and balls on my back. I'm playing his like the whole show.

SPEAKER_02 57:12

It's just like yeah, butt naked. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

That sounds like we're allowed that.

SPEAKER_07 57:18

I still have the scars from that.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

Actually, I actually missed Royce. I hadn't seen him in years.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

Yeah, he was such a fun dude.

SPEAKER_03 57:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:25

Oh my lord. Nice cock, too. From what you can feel.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

It was big, smooth, and veiny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 57:37

And farty.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

And it would fart.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

Did he shoot darts out of it? I'm sure he could have.

SPEAKER_07 57:44

That motherfucker could do anything.

SPEAKER_06 57:51

Totally. Jim would have fucking definitely gotten a kick out of it.

SPEAKER_10 57:56

Those basement parties are pretty rad. One good memory, too, with those guys, is drinking at this hotel. We got one room, and somehow they knew how to get up to the roof and had a secret route. And we would just we went up on a roof, drank all night, and threw all our bottles at the abandoned building across the street. If you drink, you just throw all your bottles.

SPEAKER_07 58:21

Fucking hooligans.

SPEAKER_03 58:23

Oh so was that in Detroit? Yeah. Yeah. Of course they knew all the haunts and places to go there. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 58:32

That was another good memory of those guys.

SPEAKER_07 58:34

Yeah. Didn't their van get broken into when we were on tour with them in Detroit? We're playing at St. Andrew's Hall. Probably. We came out and their fucking van got busted.

SPEAKER_03 58:48

Oh, was it gone? Somebody stole it?

SPEAKER_07 58:50

And we st no, they just both busted in and stole some shit from them. We're staying at Royce's house that night, I think, right? Detroit's not a savory city.

SPEAKER_06 59:01

No. Well, like we went um early, early days, went with uh struggle. Some of the guys in struggle and short-lived to play Gilman. And that's where I made a bunch of contacts that I brought down and was able to get like Ill Repute and he uh Green Day. Tony brought me. Well, that was afterwards. That's that's the closet I'm playing with my shoes story. But um Tony from Ill Repute Offspring. Yeah, which they for a tour with the Grimm, and that's that's I've brought that up, but nonetheless, they weren't big at that time at all. But when we were up there, we stayed at this place called the Bates Motel, and I actually wrote lyrics out for a song, and it was in um in Oakland. So we had a van where the non-partiers were, then we had a U-Haul, which was big enough to put the van, all the equipment, and probably a few homeless people in, or some bodies if we needed to get rid of them. Yeah, it was huge. So because we didn't have enough sense to bring equipment in, we would make people sleep in the vehicles in case they got broken into because they'd be killed. I thought you guys had Roach do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

Roach would do it. Yeah, Roach would sleep in the sleep.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:15

He's like, Nope. Security watching the shit. Smart. It's almost like he was a dog. We're like, no, dude, sleep in the room. He's like, no, I'm sleeping in advance.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:24

We learned that the hard way to Vegas.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

Roach Roach. Roach was the man.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:28

But that's the stuff on the road that people don't think about unless you know they've been on the road because there's certain places you pull up, and you know, luckily, you know, Selma was different, but downtown, you guys remember downtown. Yeah. If you're not watching your back and you go around the back end at that loading dock down there, who knows what could happen. Yeah. So if you have a car down there and you leave anything in it, a guitar or anything, it's it's gone. If your car's even there. Yeah. And then the idea of getting police down to do anything about it is why then they're gonna shut down the show.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

That was the funny thing with Union Street, or I shouldn't say funny, but scary. You don't you didn't know if you're gonna make it into the venue, and then you didn't know if you're gonna make it out of the venue. Because it was just so so much chaos going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:16

Yeah. And and I don't remember if I necessarily always had to lock up that one on my own. But um, yeah, at night. Even going down there in the day when I go down there and open it up. But at night, and then also as we were talking with um earlier about the cockroaches. Frickin' cockroaches are you know, and they fly. So I'm in there, you know, mopping up the bathrooms at the end of the night, or whenever one of those fucking things comes out and tries to eat my face. So I scream like a little girl.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:47

Ah, famously, you hate cockroaches.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:49

Oh, I hate them. That's why I named the band cockroach. God, I hate those fucking things. Downtown was gnarly, but the Thunderdome, it's yeah, I mean, looking at those pictures, God, it was it was like iguana's, but not.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:06

It was not as not as clean as iguanas. Yeah, not no, it was. I cleaned the fucking place. It wasn't as nice as iguana's.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:14

That was actually my favorite.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:15

Iguanas? Soma. Or union.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:17

Yeah, no, iguana's down on TJ we're talking about, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:20

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my favorite.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:21

Three stories, three stories. Do you guys ever play iguanas and have them serve you beer out of a five-gallon bucket with a ladle? Because that was pretty awesome. Like literally, backstage we played there. There's a it was a plastic five-gallon bucket that you would put concrete in for a job site. Yeah, it was full of beer, and there was a fucking soup ladle, and you would just ladle it into your cup and like figure out Mexico. You know the thing I remember in Mexico.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:50

The only thing I remember about the guanas was it tastes a little bit like bleach. The guys walking around with the tequila bottles and pouring it down your throat. With the whistle whistle. Yeah, of course. And then you jump off the third third story into the pit. Oh, yeah. Those those were the deals.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:05

But speaking of, little be a beer. So Union was was I that's my favorite. I mean, that's where I I started everything.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:13

That's my favorite Selma.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:15

But remember the Scottish Wright Center.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:17

Oh, I remember quite a show every time I pass it, even to this week. I pass it, and I remember the shows when it was shut off for a while. Yeah. Scottish Wright. We were doing shows.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:28

Yeah, what about because we were trying to find Metro.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

Yeah. What about the sports arena? And I wasn't played at the sports arena a couple times.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:35

Those New Year's shows are fucking awesome.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:37

Awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:38

If you can get that line up right now, shit.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:41

I just got freaking chills thinking about it. Can you imagine sold out? Yeah. Oh my lord, those are big chills. Just to get half of those bands, like the first one when um we had Deadbolt.

unknown 1:03:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:53

I think that was another one that I had to.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:56

Yeah, those guys.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:56

I still I love those guys.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:59

They had the image on stage and the sound.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:02

Oh, they still do. If if I'm still playing? If I was a little loose on the alcohol right now, then I would do my Harley impression. The scariest band in the world was my wife still has a sticker. We have an old scariest band. And actually, again, I know I brought it up before, but it Deadbolt is one of the original bands that when I very first started, even before I was booking shows, who I talked to. I talked to Harley and Les. And I'm like, yeah, I'm making this compilation. So eventually I got to book a Matt Soma. But you know, there was what, six bands in the bar, and then another but they they were a Caspaw band. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:41

Remember back in the day, I tell her, like, back in the day, you had summer bands, you had Casball bands. Casball bands would, you know, the original Casball, 50 people. Right. 75 people. That'd be like inch and no knife. And they were getting all the love. I remember all the bands. The indie bands. It was all Casball bands getting the love. And then getting signed. And it was like, I remember back in the day thinking, like, why? Hmm, this is kind of weird. Like, they're getting all the love to all the Casball bands. Right. And we're selling out this venue that's holds two.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:28

And then bring in one of them every now and again to open up. And they bring in 200 people. Maybe.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:36

But and now we're a Casball band.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:38

Well, the other thing is where are those Casball bands? They never went anywhere with those bands. Yeah. Whatever they got signed. They didn't really go anywhere.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:46

They're on compilations all over this world.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:49

They're on a documentary called It's Gonna Blow and Yeah, and there's that I mean, I don't want to completely throw, you know. But I will admit, for what I was trying to do and trying to, you know, build the bands and build a scene, um, it was bad enough that I was trying to do it under Len. But somehow I was able to kind of do what I did, and then eventually, you know, everyone was taken away from me, ripped away like candy, and I'm just standing there going, I gotta find new bands to develop. Because, you know, everyone graduates to the main floor. But the scene was so it was just so split. It was literally the the bands that might be able to bring in a couple hundred people, really, you know, talented, and in our town, we're not fucking LA, we're San Diego, and these are all San Diego bands. But then you got like the Shea Cafe, yeah, and then when Izod started doing whatever his thing, and then like Soul Kitchen and the division and just the idea that no one could like put it all together and go, you know what, we're all in the same fucking town. Right. We could either pay to play or we could, you know, keep being clicky, but I mean, shouldn't we all be going for the same goal? And then out of that, once the money started coming in and people started getting picked up, and then you know, you start to tour properly, it was like you know, things were already falling apart at that point, but you finally got an opportunity to do those things. There's so many bands that didn't.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:27

Yeah, I mean, uh I'm very thankful to Selma and Len and uh you know everybody back then for G Spot. Um, we were opening for all the coolest bands. Like we never toured, but we were like able to open for a lot of cool bands, and we got to do one of those New Year's Eve sports arena shows, and that was like mind-blowing because I had seen Van Halen there and the Scorpions, and like now I'm sitting on the fucking stage at the sports arena playing a show. Met Tim Armstrong backstage, and I think the Aquabats played that show as like uh Travis Barrett.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

I think that's the one where I was doing fart jokes.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:59

Probably, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And uh the keyboard player for Unsteady, what's his name? John. Not John, but um Oh my god. You know, keyboard guy, dread dread dreadlocks.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:13

Um oh man, I cannot remember. I see his face, but yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:17

Anyway, he was backstage with girlfriend and and had a uh had a had a camera and took a photo of me and Tim Armstrong and me and and um and Travis Barker at the time, before he was in Blink, I think. And to this day, I was like, where are those photos? Could you just could your girlfriend find that disposable camera picture and just send it to me because it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

And you guys were playing in front of 7,000 people. It was amazing, man. Those shows were crazy experience. As much as we hated them, we did love them because that was a great event.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:49

Yeah, again, see, I'm getting chills because for me, it just basically everyone my first concert, my first real concert was Iron Maiden with Twisted Sister opening up. I was so fucking bored and I was so scared. I was young, and I I never really went to shows. I wasn't, you know, I was pretty much it's the same thing at some. I just I'm in the back, I'm hidden, I don't like being in the crowd. If I am, I'm you know, yelling bomb or whatever, just to get through people because they'd you know, nervous. I don't want to, you know. But all those fucking bands playing and how big this scene got and playing at the sports arena was huge. I mean, come the fuck off.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:29

That was incredible.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:29

That's kind of that's pretty that double middle fingers, fuck you. It was a witter new year for sure, man. It just it was you know what you know what's weird?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:38

All class thinking about it. It started in '94 at the sports arena doing those New Year's shows, and it ended in 2004.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:46

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

Yeah, and I just thought of that. And I did I did all of them except for the first one. Who played 2004? Well, that it was the 2003 to 2004. Yeah, that was the last one. Do you remember the lineup? Um, I think me first and the gimme games were like the headliner on that one. It was a it was like thrice, yellow card. Um, I can't even remember.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:07

Yeah, I think the year we did it, '96 or so, it was like Aquabats, Voodoo Glow Skulls, you know, G Spot open. I think maybe Blink. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:15

Because well, it was weird.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:16

Yeah, Blink would have been there. Unwritten Law. Yeah, Unwritten Law. Balco Nine. Should have been obviously been there.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:21

Those New Year's Eve shows started at when Metro when SOMO came to Metro. Yeah. And then Golden Voice did one of them. And then uh and then there was none from um 99 until 2002. Because then we did we did 2002 to 2003, and then 2003 to 2004.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:43

How does that come about? How do you guys get a a venue like the sports rate to agree to a fucking New Year's Eve show? In um in advance? I'm trying to remember like you have to pay somehow. Yeah, we gotta rent it out. Yeah, for it rent it out and just say okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:57

Some infinite because we were doing remember the SummerSlams, which we were talking about earlier. It's the the name was kooky because I thought of wrestling and yeah and all that, but however many bands we were ten bands or whatever we were doing for those. And but Len always, I mean you gotta give it to him. He had a vision. He's like, I want to fucking take over the sports arena. You know, and primarily those things were local bands, so it's somehow in his infinite wisdom, he was able to talk to the the powers that be to let a bunch of freaking He was the owner, Ernie Hahn, back then. Well, he must have something that's how we got Soma SD.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:38

That's how we got the theater because Ernie Hahn owned that.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:41

I'm not here to cast any disparaging remarks on Len because we all know the rumors and stuff from the day, but you gotta hand it to the guy. He was a hell of a businessman. He knew who was fucking doing. Did you know he wanted to be our manager?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:54

Yeah, yeah. Then then there was the rumors No, I never knew that. Then there was the rumors that uh he had Kathy beat up another manager.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:02

Really?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:03

Yeah, I remember hearing something about that too. Is Len living in the Cayman Islands now? What is he doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:09

Who knows? Yeah, I don't know. He did that, he did that with uh Golden Voice and Metro. He sold basically sold the name to Golden Voice and took off. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:23

I am so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:26

And then if we can just leave it at that because I mean I keep saying knocking out my door late at night. If we have any sports arena questions, we can ask Dan. He works there now.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:36

Oh, really? Yeah, he's got a badge. I got a badge. We can get in there for free. What about the um the old Samoan that was um Tony?

SPEAKER_10 1:12:44

He he passed away. He passed away. There's a there's a little plaque on on the in the ramp? Yeah, yeah. Nice face.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:51

Yeah, because I would see him every now and again, I'd be there at the swap meet or something, and it'd be like Yeah. I'm like, oh dude, see, I got chills right now and just thinking about it. Because those guys took care of me. I mean, when it came down to it, they just you know, and I know who I was back then.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

I'm not really right the they're bouncing it so much. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, because Tony was, I think, related to Misa.

unknown 1:13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:16

Yeah, he was um uncle or something. That's why when we first did the first show there, you know, you guys remember what I was doing.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:24

I remember looking out in the crowd to be the couple Simone, I just call them the Simone brothers, and they'd be right there and it'd be ground control.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:33

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:34

Yeah, he was cracking like, what's up, man? And they would just do their job, and they weren't dicks, and they would just like help people.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:41

Because you know what, too. Um I remember all they had to was be the presence. Yeah, and yeah, nobody was gonna get out of line. Who's gonna fuck with these guys? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:51

Especially when they could just pick you up.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:53

Dude, I remember that when people did get out of line, and a lot of times it was like either skinheads or these navy guys that were drunk. Right. Lawrence would be just walking one of them out.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:01

It was never a kid from the scene, it was always some outsider bullshit that would happen. You know, kids kids knew what to do.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:07

There was it was a major respect thing. And see, that's that again, all the formulas that we had going on there is what made it so amazing. It was so great, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:17

It was a magical venue, magical time. Yeah, I think about it often in Fondly. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:23

It took it took me a long time actually to come out of my shell because I was just gonna write a book where I was just gonna still I was just gonna beat the shit out of everything. But we have a better plan. But the idea of doing a podcast and actually talking with people.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:37

I love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:38

Because you know, a lot of people I never had a personal relationship with. I was just I'm there, I'm doing my thing, or if you're lucky. Hey, this is Jeremy from Soma.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:48

Yeah, can you play um the show with Cockroach? Yeah, I need you there at six o'clock. Don't be fucking late. You get one guest per person, two road crew. That'll be all thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:03

You know, so I was just doing, but I didn't know any better. I was a kid. I was, you know, I'm the same age. I was when I started doing that, it was 21 years old. So I didn't I didn't know I never ran anything. The only thing I ran from was cops.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

You know? And since we since we got Dan here, I gotta I gotta play this little ditty here. Oh, here we go. Maybe maybe Dan can talk about this here.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:36

That's one of my favorites on Fundamental. I think it's oh Danny.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:39

I'm still gonna have that impact still, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:16:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_10 1:16:43

I don't know if we'll ever do it live. Gado, man. It's like a grandbaby. Going back to giving me chillos, that's all right. It's a good song. It is. Yeah, some people think, well, it is a love song, but they think it's about a girl. It is about a girl, but it's about my grandbaby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:59

That's another reason why you need to play it. Love it.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:02

You have to do it, you gotta do it once. You gotta do it live once. I think we tried once and then failed. Like Tony.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:13

No, we're not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:14

I'm like, okay, whatever. So you guys never rehearsed it? Um we I think we tried to rehearse it to play it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:21

Well, you might have to play it now because John might have to take a break. Yeah. So he might leave the stage. I can sing it.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:28

John can wheel off in his wheelchair to the side and you can sing a song from him and he'll wheel back on the side.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:32

I guess yeah. I sing about my grandbaby in his wheelchair.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:36

I don't I don't know if you knew this, but I was actually uh writing up the set list for this tour we're gonna do. Seriously? Yeah, so I'm gonna throw that in there. Yeah, throw it in there.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:45

Definitely, man. I want to hear that song live.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:47

That'd be awesome. So yeah, definitely. Um gotta be a first. Even if it's a last, you know, at least at least it's done one.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:58

Yeah, I would try it. I mean, I'd probably forget no, I can just Fundamental for that reason.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:05

It was like, dude, you guys put a song, you know, like something that kind of deep and obscure of a song from the band. Like that shows real growth, I think, in a in a band, like, yeah, fuck yeah, put your put your song on, you know. A song that you and Tony wrote, basically, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:23

That album's good.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:24

It's so good. Yeah, it's a great record.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:27

Yeah, me and Tony have a formula. Well we just get drunk together and then write songs. It's a good formula. It works. We've been doing it for years.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:41

Well, you guys known each other pretty much your whole lives, right?

SPEAKER_10 1:18:43

Yeah. Since we were around 14. At 14?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:47

For some reason I was thinking younger, but 14.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:49

Yeah, about 14. So high school. Yeah, I think eighth grade we were in, I think, when I first met Tony. 14, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:57

And O'Farrow was like a performing arts school, right? Down in O Town.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:01

Originally it wasn't. O'Farrell was just uh junior high, and then uh SCPA came in.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:07

That's where the bad kids went.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:09

Um well originally, but then uh SCPA came from Roosevelt into O'Farrell in like 1980, 83 or something. I forget. But I was in O'Farrell in seventh grade, and then in my eighth grade year, I changed it over to SCPA. Okay. That's what created what I do now. You know, like it's weird that how those little things that you know. Does that school still exist? Like, can we get it's in Benito now.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:45

We need more schools like that. Promote art.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:49

That little because that school came to my junior high, it created me to doing what I do now.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:57

That's rad.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:58

That is rad.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:59

Well my my cousin my cousin started his band from a musical high school and pretty big uh blue October from Texas. So and it all started in high school.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:12

I was lucky I went to Mount McGill high school, um like eighty-five through eighty nine. And I come from a you know, I'm the youngest of six kids in my family. They all went to the same high school in the 70s. The marching band was kick-ass, like all the way through Rose Parades every year, you know. And then it took a dump in like the early 80s, 83, 84. By the time I was a freshman there, there was like 50 kids in the band. It sucked. And we had a new director, and we built that program back up to rose parade status in four years. But without that experience, you know, like I wouldn't be playing drums like the way I am.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:53

And think of it now because it's so important to have those kind of programs. Most schools now don't even have that.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:58

They're getting rid of the arts, they got rid of the industrial trades and they just take all the funding out of the arts and the and the music and the gaff. Yeah. Put it into whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:07

My um my stepdaughter from the school right up here, the middle school, because I had a violin. I had traded her violin for a piece of art or something. I'm like, I want a violin. Because I always wanted to add strings to my heavy, like drony guttural music. Right. But I never learned, so she's like, Oh, I want to play it. And this was oh god, um, I think she was 10 or 11. And because of that, and doing those, and then when she went to even Point Loma, she was still doing instruments, so she can do the sisophone, tuba, she did marching band, um, tuba. She can pretty much pick up any instrument and she can understand it and she can read music and all that, which is amazing. That's great. And for me growing up in Mira Mesa, I graduated in '86. If it wasn't for all the art classes, like all of them, I wouldn't have gotten out of high school. Yeah. But music, which is funny, is I took I took a guitar class and I got a D. The only thing I really brought out of that was I was using the the you know the freaking uh music stand, and I was trying to loosen it up to pull it up, and it came and I got this scar right above my nose. It just ping. I did the same exact thing once. And I the teacher told me to go home and do it. So I went home and I told my mom, and I'm like, yeah, I'll just fuck it. I'll just go skate. She's like, no, put a band-aid on it and go back to school. And all the guys made fun of me in there, oh, you fucking suck. So that's why I ended up doing vocals. Um one of the bands I tried out was uh Mind's Eye, John's Old Band. Oh, John's. And they they they denied me. I've been denied by some of the weirdest bands. But um you could have been a world-class violinist. I fucking couldn't play that thing if I had to. It's still to this day, but that's why I play the bass and I play it like a guitar because it's my way of saying screw you, pal. I'm gonna and I'd use all the distortion and all that. But yeah, I mean the the arts in the schools, that's when the things that they're you know canceling out more and more and more and more.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:21

Yep. And it's gonna be the demise of our culture, man. I'll tell you right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:25

You just well, definitely things aren't gonna be the like they were back in the day. Just like the scene that's gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:30

Video games have overtaken learning an instrument. It's you're fucked.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

It's even like like like what uh Jan was bringing up with this company of these kids were trying to put these shows together, and yeah, it was you know, we're trying to guide them and teach them what they needed to do, and um technology is just kind of kind of messed a lot of stuff up, actually. Yeah, it's made things easy, but it's also yeah, I mean it's good and bad to both, you know.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:53

There's definitely good and bad to both. I taught at the School of Rock for almost a year. It was a tough tough gig. No, it in uh it was in Vista. Okay. Okay, they have one in OB for a little while. Yeah, and um man, there'd be like a five-year-old kid that could just kill it on Led Zeppelin, and there'd be a 14-year-old kid that just didn't know it was right from left. You know, it's like you either have it or you don't. Well, look at look at Elon Rubin.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:21

You find the kids that have some natural talent and fucking push them.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:25

You guys were you're Elon Rubin, right? Nine-year-old kid just pounding the drums with FON back at Metro, and now he's he's been inducted in the rock rock and roll hall of fame with nine-inch nails. Exactly. It's crazy. Gotta start at Metro. Right. Soma.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:39

Yeah, maybe identify these kids early on. If you have a natural talent for that kind of stuff, push them into that. If you have a natural talent for math, push them into that. I mean, that push is a is a is a wrong word, but you know what I mean. Encourage piano, drums, guitar, music.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:55

At least have it available and not push them, you know, don't stack up the odds and oh, you're not good enough. It's the same thing with skateboards because for a while I was taking skateboards and I make them completes and I was giving away to kids. No, no strings attached. I didn't post the pictures of the kids or anything. It's just realistically, I got, I don't know, probably about a grand in in um donations, which with my connections, I was able to make that basically about three grand worth. All my time, all my money. But the thing of giving a skateboard to a kid just like you don't have to write it right now. You can pick it up in 20 years. You could be like me, 53, and think about skateboards all the fucking time. Yeah. Same thing with music and art. And you know, my daughter, she's still she does illustration, it's all on computer stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:48

So I don't I don't I, you know, I don't know how to do it, but there's people like really I I love the art of skateboarding. I love the look of the decks, I love surfing. I can't do either one to save my ass. I can barely snowboard. Right. And that was 20 years ago. But I still love the art of it. I love to watch people do it. Like, you know, there's there's nothing to say that, like, well, because I can't do it, I don't like it, or whatever. Right. It's like music. You know, there's a lot of people that can't play music and they they love it, obviously. Music appreciation. Right, music appreciation classes on and on. So yeah, there's a there's a place in this world for all things uh art.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:25

So, Jeff, what what band are you in now?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:28

Uh currently playing with Johnny Wagon and the Tennessee Sons. We haven't done much since the pandemic.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:33

And what's the style of that music?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:35

I like to call um I thought you quit. No, I never quit. You told me that like two weeks ago. Yeah, three weeks ago. I like to call it uh a job between Elvis and Creden's Clearwater Revival. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:47

Wait, didn't you tell me that like a couple weeks ago?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:49

I never said that.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:50

He quit for a day and they went back.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:52

Thanks, Dan. Never said that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:55

He he must have dreamed it.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:57

No, I even I get frustrated with music. Okay, that's what it was then. And I I like my time off from it. And it's been a nice break. Okay. Because I've been doing it so long that hauling my drums around to gigs and setting up and pulling down.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:11

A lot of work.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:11

You get you have the you just get a natural burnout that happens, and you're like, oh, how about you free from it for like a year's call? All drummer needs a tech. But right, that's true. I've never been able to afford one. But um I was your roadie. Yeah. The closest I ever got was Dan helping me. It certainly wasn't John Pebsworth. He would sit there and watch me load my drums every day. Love you, John. He's like, I'm a singer, I don't fucking load drums.

SPEAKER_10 1:27:38

I'll be at the bar.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:39

My next life, I'm gonna be a fucking flute player, asshole.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:46

Speaking of, don't we have Jeff on flute? And blowing bubbles. Oh, we already discussed that part.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:00

Crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:01

Yeah, I I I you know, I I miss it and I want to get back to it because that's what you do, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:07

Yeah. Yeah, once it's in your blood, you can't get it out.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:10

But my my ruster uh my my my Rusty, my brother Rusty, uh who's a great guitarist, so we have a little pseudo studio we called Shabby Roads at his garage, and we um we record you know almost you know, two or three times a month. Uh and we'll do like let's do a Beatles song, let's do a Bowie song, let's do an Eagles song, and we'll just go in and I've got my drums there, we've got the full recording gear, we've got the mics, got everything. Nice. And that's a lot of fun because then you can you know I'm into the recording aspect of music more than I am maybe the live performers at the moment, but I I miss I miss live performing for sure. Yeah, that's that's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:49

And a lot of people were missing it for a couple years there. Yeah, of course. Crazy, you know, you took it for granted and then it's gone.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:55

I took a painting too here and there, you know, over the years. I I I got some watercolors during my um stint with my stomach issue. I went to Walmart or Walgreens when that it was just like watercolor paper, and I just painted for like a month. It was fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:14

Yeah. Any any outlet you can do.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:18

Yeah. Etsy here I come.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:23

Yeah, I even had an art gallery at one point. It was a dark arts gallery, and that was that was pretty crazy. It was kind of the same thing. I didn't really bring in well you did either.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:37

You did make some money because some of you you some of them you you signed John Wayne Gacy and they were those were selling.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:42

Those right, yeah. Those did really good and um I would give them a uh pubic hair, and I didn't tell them who it was from, but I didn't tell them who it wasn't from. Um no, the gallery was called the Lunatic Fringe. And it was that's when I was pre just doing primarily skateboards. So like the canvases and stuff in here. And then I even got into like charcoal and um I love watercolors. I'm not I I like Manson's Marilyn Manson style, and I've seen some of his work and I was inspired by it, and but I just my my daughter could do it, but I was never very good with watercolors, yeah. But as far as music, my whole thing is being able to hold a band together or actually put a band together and not have the drama because I'm not at I don't tour. I I work all the time, I like being at home. Um I do, and Jerry and I have discussed this a lot, is I what I miss is booking the shows. I miss setting it up, I miss I just miss all that. Being the facilitator. Yeah, and then if I can throw my band in and do a few songs, you know, it'll motivate me to actually put together a project. But other than that, it's I mean, my wife and I will mess around and I'll do some heavy distortions sometimes, but I'll just I'll find myself sitting in the stool just using a phaser and we're just playing whatever mellow stuff, or I'll even grab the acoustic guitar and play. Yep. It's in the blood, but to go through all the work like touring. Uh Dan, how old are you now? 73? I don't know. Minus 20, 53. I couldn't do it. You know, we're the same age. I couldn't the idea of even doing like a weekend's worth of gigs.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:30

I'm still on tour every day right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:32

Well, doing doing short stints is fun, right? Like three weeks. I live in my life that way. So it's two weeks or a weekend, yeah. But three months, fuck no, I couldn't do it anymore. Unless it was like luxury, Hilton, private jet, masseuse. I'm thinking about it my Ford F-150 in no, I could not do that anymore. But I could, but I don't want to. I've always admired that. If you made enough to pay the bills, you would sure if the money tried, of course, we'd do anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:04

But and even though when you're touring, you don't really get to see all the sites, but you get to go to countries and you get to meet people. Yeah. And I mean, what what better way to meet people?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:14

I was gonna say we had a good time in Virginia. That was a that was a blast.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:18

I never knew what plane flights cost until I was like 30 years old. I mean, they were paid for all the time. Like I was lucky, like record labels paid for us to fly here, there, there. It was like when I had to actually buy a plane ticket one time, I was like, fuck, this is expensive.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:33

Especially international. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:37

Speaking of when you're doing international, is you shipping any equipment, or is it just the basics, or is it even like a snare kind of backline?

SPEAKER_10 1:32:48

You bring your bass, you bring your guitar, we bring horns, um, yeah, cymbals, and they provide like the bulk and in your amps, and that's how we and that's how we tour now.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:00

Yeah.

unknown 1:33:00

Really?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:01

If you can, that's the best way to go because it's just light and easy. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:05

See, I would want my amp set exactly the way I want.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:09

That's where people get it. It's like, I need my drum set. Like, dude, just get over it.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:13

Because you know, I'm freaking split. On the Primodon, I you know, it's set perfectly for my room.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:20

You just bring your pedals. You the amps, the amp. You could say I need a Marshall or a Vox or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:25

Yeah. I need a 25-year-old JBL 218 cabinet with a beat-up old.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:31

Well, when you're when you're hauling a a a trailer and an RV or a bus there or I mean a van, then yeah, you bring your own shit. If you gotta fly across the pond, yeah. Yeah. You flying with your amps and drums.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:44

Well, we made a mistake once. We had um, I believe it was Morbid Angel coming in, and he had requested the the specs of the drum set were were easy to find, but he wanted a black set. And for whatever reason we couldn't get a black set, so we got him a white set.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:03

The opposite of black set.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:04

And I mean, just coming in looking at it, it was we might as well have like cut his dog open and sprayed it out. And speaking of gay sort of stuff, because he just looked at it like Can you spray people? Oh, I'm gonna burn this fucking town.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:17

That's ridiculous. I mean, just what did they think they were? A reggae band? They were metal band. What the hell is that shit? One of the reggae bands had to provide a backline.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:25

The drums look stupid, to be honest. They were so they so because he has such a huge kit. But, you know, on the on the flip side, trying to get flipper to come on stage and Len's yelling at me, well, get him some fucking drugs, just get him his drugs. I'm like, what the fuck do I look like? A pharmacy? I'm not a fucking junkie. Well, he's punk rock. You gotta and then they were trying to talk me into going up there. I don't know any fucking flipper songs. Flipper, it doesn't matter, just just fucking playing open-e. Oh, I can do that. Fucking and then I think it was one of the road crew came up, but that was like you know, that was like the famous Bad Brain show with no HR.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:08

Oh my god. Yeah, HR just didn't show up like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:12

HR did not show up. Oh my god at all.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:14

So did the crowd just sang along, or what?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:16

No, no, I was uh talking about uh daddy long legs, Damien played.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:20

Didn't Damien go up there and then I could swear um that like Stein musician's dream like the singer's not here tonight. Anyone know all of Bad Brains songs?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:28

Like, yeah, me. Yeah, even I went from uh the Deftone sandwich.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:32

That's insane, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:33

Because they were on tour with Bad Brains.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:35

I I would have gone up and done a song.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:37

That's when Bad Brains was signed to Maverick.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:39

Yeah. Wow. But HR just I mean, he's he's got his mental issues anyways. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:46

So he's kind of I saw them play at uh but he did wish John a happy birthday on his 50th. Oh, really? HR? Yeah. Oh, I would yeah, you you didn't see it, the video? No, I didn't see that either.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:59

Are you fucking kidding me? Oh, no, no. Oh, she bought it. Yeah, she bought it. Yeah, she bought like a happy yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh I did see that, you're right.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:08

I don't know how you can do it, but if you're an artist, I guess you can put yourself in the back. Yeah, a lot of artists do that now. Yeah, and pay me $200 or $300, and I'll wish you. Hey Dan Albert.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:18

Yeah, I know people that do that, other podcast people, and yeah. I thought about doing it, but they would pay me not to say anything. Yeah, money's money.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:27

I wish you a happy birthday. Just buy me a beer. How about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:36:33

Happy birthday, or as Jimmy Fay says in Tide Pods. Give me some Tidepods.

SPEAKER_06 1:36:38

Some Tide Pods and Meister Brau. Yeah, no, I I thought that would be kind of fun to do, but I mean it's HR. I mean, I've man, whenever this is my go-to. Whenever I'm at a record store and I'm trying to think, well, what do I want? Well, I'll go look at Black Sabbath, I'll go and look at Hoosker Doo, Bad Brains. Yeah. And I always go, and it's usually something I already have, but I mean, they're just ingrained in my mind forever.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:08

I mean, then and to say, Bad Brains records are fucking amazing, man. When you just stop and listen to them, you just go, yes, this is what my brain needs right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:15

It's just absolute chaos.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:18

Yeah, and it's crazy who did the who did Rock for Light.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:22

Who do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:37:23

Who produced Rock for Light? Oh my god. Uh Rick O'Casic.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:26

Oh, O'Casic, I would say, yeah, Rick Rubin, Rick Ocasic.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:29

The cars.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:29

Yeah. Which another local band that quickness too, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:35

I think he did both those.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:36

And like the first two Weezer records. Rick Ocasich's amazing producer.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:42

Let alone just the cars records, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:45

Oh, yeah.

unknown 1:37:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:46

But uh R R I P.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:48

Yeah.

unknown 1:37:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:50

Rest in peace, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:51

Yeah, he's a badass. Oh yeah. One of my musical heroes for sure. He's a badass. Him and I mean the cars were fucking cool as shit, right? I respect him now more than I didn't have to be. Listening to an A-track. It took me a few years when I was a kid to discern who Benjamin Orr and Rick O'Kasick's voices were, because I always thought they were the same guy. I was like, oh, there's two different singers, yeah. Yeah, it's Rick O'Kasic and Benjamin Orr. But yeah, the band's just fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:19

And then how many all the hits they had? Yeah. Crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:38:22

A million.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:23

Yeah. Fucking insane. And that's just a different level. Once you reach that level, I mean it's hard to really do anything wrong. You know, no matter what you do. You could do that children get it.

SPEAKER_10 1:38:38

And people eat it. Yeah. Best friends, squirrel friends. Gobble it up. Yeah, I hear it. I hear it on the radio these days. I don't want to name any names of someone has a hit and put out another one. It's like end up.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:54

And that's the other thing. How many bands can actually, you know, they do their first album, which is amazing, and how they how can they follow up? Not too many bands can do that, you know, where they can just keep writing hits, hits, hits, hits, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:09

Well, the thing that I'm still tripping out on is being able to tour in your fifties and not be at that level to where you can go, I'm gonna put out an album of fart songs. Now, if I did that, people like, I thought you already did seven of them. But, you know, to be able to tour and to be able to bring in an audience and still have fun doing it. I mean, that's and not be the slave to a label.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:37

Well, they're they're ancient they don't answer to anyone. And I've seen them recently, and they're fucking badass. It's insane. Like to see Mick Jagger on stage is is quite a phenomenon. With his new heart or whatever. Right, right. You know, yeah. Going to see the Beatles. Hey, Roland Stones are looking for a drummer. I heard. Thanks, Steve Jordan. Get out of the way.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:07

So no, that that being said, I s I still think it's great that you know you're still doing it.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:12

I can't imagine playing music when I'm eighty-seven.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:16

Like I'd be like, would you want to play music at 87? Maybe if I was healthy, but I'd probably you look at some of these guys that are playing and they need a I'd rather be sitting on a porch sipping a mint julep.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:26

You know. I've just seen um I've seen a podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:30

I can understand. If it's in your blood, you need to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:33

No, obviously I would love to play music till the day I die. Probably will.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:38

Well, that's when you just get to the point of where say, all right, well, I'm gonna do I'm gonna bring five cats. We're just gonna show up at a dive bar and we're gonna go in there and we're gonna do a set.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:48

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:49

We're gonna get free drinks and we're gonna be showered with money because people are gonna be like, what the hell are these guys doing here? Well, and then you go and hide for it.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:01

The stones, I mean, fucking those guys who did it till they're fucking they're still doing it.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:05

Yeah. They got some youth in there, but you know Ronnie.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

You guys watched the uh recent uh induct inductation, I can't even say it, uh, for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame with the Foo Fighters, and they played with Paul McCartney. Yeah. It's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:20

Yeah, it's awesome. Oh Dave Grohl has played what he's in well here's one. Okay, so you got Dave Grohl that took the case.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:26

It was actually Paul McCartney that inducted them.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:30

Oh, Paul did? Yeah, it didn't make it. Because Dave did a did a song with Paul.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:34

Well, they played they played the Beatles songs with the and Paul they played a Beatles song and Paul sang.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:40

So it was the Foo Fighters playing a playing like get back or then a few years ago when they did the um the documentary on um the keyboard. I mean not the keyboard, the soundboard. Uh Sound City. Yeah, Sound City. And they brought in the Neve board, and then Paul McCartney and Dave and Chris all wrote a song that whatever they did. They did that on the Grammys or something. It was great. Wow. Pretty cool. But yeah, just like think about like I'm playing with fucking Paul McCartney. Like, shit like that blows my mind.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:11

Being making it to that level, yeah. Being at that level.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:14

I don't think Nirvana would have ever made it as far as the Foo Fighters.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:18

No, they would have burned out and faded away, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:20

Not longevity-wise, but I think in their overall mystique, they're because even the I mean even the Foo Fighters put better songs out than Nirvana.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:27

Oh, blasphemy. I'm right there with Jerry. I've I've never been a fan of Nirvana.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:34

I am the only song that was catching up. I actually smells like Teen Spirit. That was it.

unknown 1:42:38

I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:39

This I agree with you.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:40

I'm just gonna there's a few people who I have not booked that I think Foo Fighters fan, don't they? Um played Soma. They played Metro. Yeah, yeah. Um and for me that was great because there's Pat Smear, the Germs. Yeah. Because everyone has Are you named after the Germs? No. Why?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:58

Oh my god, and I used to get so frustrated. I actually do, but I have a huge affection for Kurt Cobain's songwriting. I think he just um in the short amount of time he was on this planet, planted some really fucking amazing music. Yeah, cannot take away from that guy.

SPEAKER_10 1:43:14

What would he be doing now if he's still alive? Like all kinds of crazy shit, probably.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:19

Trying to plan Courtney Lub's murder, hopefully.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:24

And we're talking about this earlier. Another guy that's amazing creative artist is Mike Patton.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:30

Yeah, yeah. Big time Mike Patton. And Mondo Kane.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:33

Oh, he's who would who would get an orchestra and sing in Italian?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:37

Mike Patton, I I put up there with some of the greatest artists of all time. Yeah, absolutely. He's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:42

His coattails, his tuxedo jacket is what I wore at the New Year's Eve when Lynn's like, I think we should wear, you know, wear a suit, wear a proper jacket. I'm like, what the the only one I have is plaid. And it's a bondage jacket. Unless I wear leather. Yeah, exactly. I gotta be crazy not to wear that one. But so um Mike had they came through with whatever band and he left a whole bag of stuff. It was bungle. Bungle, yeah. Yeah, and um, there was his his uh tails in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:16

I'm like, but also I wore that. Faith more Faith No More played Metro a couple times too.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:22

So Dan is he played with his wife. No, no, that was that was Eddie.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:26

Eddie, oh yeah. Hovercraft. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:29

We talked about him earlier.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:30

I wanted to thank you again, Jeremy, for letting me get backstage in a couple of those moments.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:34

Smashing pumpkins. Did I let you?

SPEAKER_10 1:44:38

I was gonna say that earlier too. But yeah, can I get in? You were working the back door, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:45

Smashing pumpkins were playing, and I somehow snuck through the gate, and which is crazy because we talked about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:50

I gave you I gave you a knowing annoying nod, and you were just like, Yeah, it's cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:44:55

And I and then the second time was the Jim Rose Circus. Oh, okay, yeah. Wasn't that rad? And I walked back there, and there's uh Eddie Vetter and his wife at the time, uh what's her name, Beth. And uh just had a Heineken and a cigarette, and she gave me a Batmobile candy at the time because Batman was a movie that was out. She's like, Eddie loves Batman. She's like, here, and I was just like, just talk with Eddie and Beth, like no big deal. And you just like kind of let me in on that because you could have said, Hey, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. So thank you. It wasn't it wasn't oh was back there too. Oh was back there, yeah. So I kind of knew a little bit of people, so it looked like I was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_10 1:45:32

Oh, it's back in every show.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:34

Dude, I was at a big T show. Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:38

But that was the thing, is you know, I don't really harp on it too much, but as far as when bands would come through, like we talked earlier about um being disrespected by bands. So the biggest ones were the Orange County bands. Sublime would come in, and now I understand more of their story and why they were the how they were, but their crowd was just as bad. So you got you know 20 drunks coming at me, and I'm not worried about them. I'll take them all on. Right. Because, you know, I'm I'm the gatekeeper. And if not, I'll get in my fucking car and go home and let Len run the show. But it was Len, you know, harping on me. Who the fuck? And then of course the vice, and you know, because we always had someone looking.

unknown 1:46:21

Looking down.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:21

And then uh problem, we were all ages, so we had to really watch with the alcohol and the neighborhood, we had to keep the neighborhood clean and well it was um oh, and then I was saying Pennywise was another one, but the the local bands that treated me with respect and weren't like, oh, we're above you now because we're we're playing the main stage, then I was totally cool. But when people started, I mean the the list of those people, we could be here till tomorrow morning. Yeah. I got disrespected so much, and you know, I put all my heart into what I was doing. You know, I was had my work face on, but if someone respected me and and you know gave me proper respect, made it easy whenever booking or whatever, it's like come on in, come on in. Because it's a mutual res I wouldn't have a job if you guys didn't do your job.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:12

Do you know do you know who the number one person that was always at Soma every weekend? Other than me?

SPEAKER_10 1:47:18

Somebody you guys know that was at Soma all the time from a band?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:25

Yeah, I don't know. I used to get him in every weekend. If he wasn't on tour, I got him in every weekend. There's gonna be a couple people I'm thinking of. Um Scott Russo. No. No, it was Tony.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:41

Oh Tony Tony?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:43

Tony was at someone every weekend. Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:47:45

Yeah, oh yeah. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:46

Yeah, he was he was a like a local fixture there. I should have gave him a security shirt. He could have just been helping me. Tony was there all the time. Why do you why do you think he put me on the he gave he the first person to ever thank me on a record was Tony, and that was a 2018 record. Oh, yeah. If you go the very last column with the with the credits there, he goes, uh, oh yeah, fucking thanks, Jerry Brooks, for always getting me in that soma.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:11

Oh, sick. Yeah, he was there all every weekend.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:14

Well, at least I was thanked before Jerry. Probably wasn't funny. But you know, going back to that just um another f funny no, it's not really funny, it is now, but to keep the PR for the club, Len liked me at a distance. He liked to use me as like the blame and you know, just for certain things. But when it came down to like when he was started building his boat, he didn't want me anywhere near that shipyard because I was just, you know, whatever. I wasn't respectable enough. So he kind of kept me at a leash as far as when it we had to deal with whatever the police, fire marshal, um, you know, whoever's coming through. But there was plenty of times that I put out fires that he would start with band members. So it was kind of a weird juxtaposition for me to be in to not really know, you know, what I'm gonna be getting into that night and who's gonna show up. So I was always on high alert. You know, there was a guy on the frickin roof one time, and he was up there screaming some shit about Vietnam. I went climbed, it was in the back, so it was on the low level. So I went up on that level and I was trying to get him down. I was just gonna fucking push him off. I was pissed. I'm like, you know, in the back of my head going, and Len's yelling at me, and then finally Mike came up and and dealt with it. And I was all yeah. I remember Mike long haired. But you know, I was worried about what was gonna happen to me if I fucked up. Right. God knows like you know, when Perry Pharrell was there for whatever show it was, and he's one I think it was smashing pumpkins. Figazi. Figazi. And he's walking around with his wine, and I had to explain to him, you know, hey Perry and his wine. Yeah, and now he's completely mellowed out. I've actually I've talked to him a little bit through um direct message on uh Instagram, just kind of jots because I like what he's doing and what he's trying to do and how he's giving back. Yeah, sobering up some people of some people really needed to, you know, and he's still trying to do things. The Lollapalooza was a cool thing. Then that was so over the top because we went there to talk to Golden Voice about working with them, and I was so out of my element at that thing. That was the first or the second, it was the one that Green Day played. So of course we had to go and say hey to them. The second one?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:40

Okay, or was it no, no, no, no. It wasn't the second one, it was the third one. Third one. Pearl Jam played the second one.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:46

Yeah, I still had the the pass on the fridge, but you know, and I liked our world. Again, I I prefer the atmosphere of everything of downtown.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:55

Well, that's probably you know, thinking about it now, that's probably where Lynn got the idea to do the New Year's Eve shows that was from because of Lolaplusa with all the bands.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:04

Festival things, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:05

Yeah, so that's how I think that's how that came out.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:07

I went to the one in San Diego State with Green Day opened and it was Pumpkins, I think, played that same year. And then I went to the Irvine Meadows.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:16

That wasn't what the breeders were on it too. Yeah, breeders. And they were everybody was throwing dirt at them.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:21

Kim got hit with a with a water ball and she walked in. They only did like one half a song. You're like, Yeah, come on, Kim. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:27

I was there for a while, but I was in the side area where they had the smaller stage and vendors, so I was bouncing around talking to sound guys and whoever around there. And then um I left and I came back later, and I just it wasn't my gig. I couldn't you know, it was just so f fucking big. Yeah. It's like it it just didn't appeal to me. But it was interesting and the dynamic of it was pretty incredible. Yeah, it's insane.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:00

Well, it started at a as gathering of the tribes, and then it became Lola Balooza. And that was yeah, that was Perry that that started. Yeah. It's his insight into doing that, I just find and you know that's how Ozfest started too, because Sharon reached out to the people at La Palooza and say, hey, Ozzy wants to play. And they're like, no, we don't want we don't want that kind of metal. Yeah. So then Sharon said, Well screw it, we'll start our own festival. Yeah. And then also Warp started, you know, Kevin Lyman, who actually worked for Golden Voice. He left Golden Voice and started Warp Tour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:35

So I went to the Lollapalooza at Irvine Meadows. This has to be 95 or 6. It was um Bostones, I think, opened. Hole played, it was um like Mike Watt on a side stage, porno for pyro's on a side stage. Like, you know, it was just yeah, it was cool. You could go to like smaller stages to see fucking like yeah Barry Pharrell and Porno and it was awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:02

Yeah, I went to the I went I only went to two of them. So I went to the first one in '91, which was Nine Inch Nails, uh Jane's Addiction, Susie and the Banshees, Living Color, Body Count. So Pearl Jam Play Lollipaloous? Yeah, Pearl Jam play. Because I went to go to that one, but I didn't have tickets and couldn't afford the scalp tickets. Yeah. And that we went up to San Jose to see that one.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:26

So yeah, we were in at Irvine Meadows, we were watching Mike Watt play, and Perry Pharrell was like side stage watching Mike Watt. And we got done. My girlfriend ran up to Perry Pharrell and she's like, Can you sign my ticket? And he goes, Nah, baby, but I'll give you a hug. And like put his arm around her, and we just walked backstage with Perry in his entourage. And he's like, the big black security guards are sitting there, and they're like, So one guy goes, Yeah, Per Perry needs uh two bottles of red wine right now. And it was like instantly, people just descended. It was like red wine, popped the bottle, walked on stage, and they started their set.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:59

I was like, Holy shit, this is awesome. So you didn't walk to backstage? That's why he wouldn't sign anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:04

Yeah, I I walked on stage and was sitting next to Stephen Perkins while they played. I was like, This is fucking cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:09

When he uh when he came to Soma, he actually he wrote a poem for my girlfriend and signed it.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:14

Yeah, he's a super cool down to earth dude. Yeah, a little little eccentric, but yeah. As long as he's got his red wine, he's fine. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:23

I could relate to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:25

I hung out with Perkins on Ozfest. He played with uh Methods of Mayhem.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:28

Yeah, Perkins is super cool too.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:30

And then he played he played Soma with um Infectious Grooves.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:34

Oh wow. Oh yeah. So many great freaking moments, man, from from those days, but all stemming around Soma, for sure. The crazy thing is to be able to cut my teeth on those.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:48

We um were able to create something to bring in the national axe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:53

Which you get huge axe of pumpkins playing at that little fucking venue.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:57

All the up and coming bands, I mean, and it was like we're talking about earlier, Union Street Tool and Rage Against the Machine on the same bill. Yeah. With with the electric love hogs headlining. Crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:55:07

Yeah, and that was when they just got all the fresh equipment and everything. That was Maynard's birthday. Because um Owen and I were talking with Maynard, and we're like, well, come over and we'll have some 40s. You know, we're gonna get some Mickeys after the show. And he's like, Oh, I can't, you know, we got the tour bus. I'm like, there's a fucking there you can park it on the street nearby. They had a tour bus at that time? Yeah. Or at least it's yeah, I guess where are they doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:33

That was opiate. Um, yeah, because it was and they weren't they weren't they weren't they were opening, they're an opening band.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:40

Yeah, it's gotta be that one. They they could have still had a tour bus then. I mean, labels spring for buses.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:44

What I'm trying to do at this point was at that time. Because that was only like just their first that first album wasn't even an album, it was like an EP.

SPEAKER_07 1:55:52

Yeah, but they blew up pretty quick, didn't they?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:54

No, it took a little bit. Because remember they were opening for Rollins, like they played iguanas with Rollins.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:01

Um I guess I just caught them on there like when they blew up. I wasn't a fan of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:07

And they played they played Metro several times. So they had that actually the the third they didn't blow up until after the third album. No.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:16

Yeah, because this was at at Union when they that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:19

They were the one with the crazy like stop motion video, the like the little figures. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:26

No, no, that was uh that was so that your song you're talking about, Sober.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:30

Yeah, Sober.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:31

That was the that was the second album, I believe.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:34

Yeah, so they were pretty big by then, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:56:36

No.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:36

Really? Yeah, video and mtv is pretty huge.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:40

Third album they played at actually the third album came out, Enema.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:44

It came out um No, you're thinking Enema the State by a Blink when you're kidding.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:52

No. That was a big album. Um so that that album came out, they were playing at Metro when that album came out because we went and got it. I have the vinyl and they all signed it.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:01

Cool. So he's another one who's got a winery now. Yeah, in Arizona. Yeah. Oh Maynard. That's the gig to get into, man. Let's all start a fucking booze company. What are we doing? I tried to start um I want to do uh Red Rum.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:16

Yeah. Hey, I actually I did talking about bands with the I pitched it to me. You know, the machines just they have their own whiskey now, and they also have their own coffee now.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:25

Yeah. That's another thing. Coffee and whiskey.

SPEAKER_09 1:57:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:32

Come on, Stuart. I've got some money on this investment that you know that person, there's um oh god, with all the microbreweries, and then um, as we were talking about, like no effects had theirs until they were canceled cultured. But realistically, I mean it's kind of unless you come up with a really good project for longevity. Red rum sounds pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:57

Yeah, we need some red rum.

SPEAKER_07 1:57:59

Oh, they're actually there ended up being just make rum and put red food coloring in it.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:03

Red rum.

SPEAKER_06 1:58:04

Well, there's um, I haven't had red rum in like 20 years.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:08

Remember, they used to actually make it?

SPEAKER_06 1:58:10

Yeah, yeah, I have a I have a bottle in there. Bust it out, brother. I didn't even know that. We are um I was talking to um I haven't had that in so long, like since like I was 21. Trying to think. A local distillery. God, I can't remember the name of them, but I pitched it and I'm like, yeah, you know, we can promote it with the skateboarding and blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think I got like maybe a conversation going before I was completely blown off. But then, you know, like my as usual, my wife's like, oh fuck them. We'll do it ourselves. Exactly. So then we're thinking about wine, because I I love wine. Me too, man. And she comes from um a restaurant family. They had a restaurant for almost 30 years. So she was, you know, doing wine tasting and and matching when she was, you know, not even a teenager really.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:00

I mean, if you can brew your own beer or distill your own whiskey, you could probably grill your own wine grapes without a vineyard.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:06

Oh, my my old uh guitar's from Cincinnati. He had he made his own and bottled it at his house.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:13

Yeah. My old bass player in G Spot's dad made plum wine, and that shit was fucking potent. So I don't know. But he fermented anything, I guess it's was it smelling. All I know is when he opened the jug of it, you could smell it like half a block away.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:29

So it was it wasn't it was pruno then. It was like prison stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:33

It basically was, right? But it was prune wine that he had fermented. It was fucking kick your ass, shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:39

I wouldn't know how to make a proper wine without having a winery and the blah blah blah and the whole distillery or whatever they do, oak barrels and all that shit. Yeah. I think it's funny as hell.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:53

Yeah, I was watching something the other day where a guy was going through the process of m of making wine that they do. I don't remember what the hell it was. I always find these weird things, and I just sort of stare at the TV. Now with the puppy, I just sit there and I'm petting Pugsley and just you know doing commentary. And he just sits there and looks at it and look at me. And in my head, he's going, Yeah, you know, we should make some fucking wine here, Dad. Uh I'm a dog, but wine sounds good. Let's do it. But and then I'll go on to something else, and then usually end up on skateboards. But I I end up going down a rabbit hole sometimes of looking for bands.

SPEAKER_07 2:00:33

You gotta experiment with a bottle of wine.

SPEAKER_06 2:00:35

I would I would love to. I just to be able to create, you know, I love getting in the kitchen and cooking. Oh, me too, man. And we we come up with grace. My wife's an amazing cook. So she's inspired me to be able to start coming up with some cool shit. But I always wanted to do, you know, beer or or um wine. Um I really like vodka. I do too. Me, me three. It's one of my favorites. Don't really, you know, like drinking potatoes lying around. Let's make some fucking vodka. Yeah. And then throw some red food color in it and just call it red vodka. Red beet. Beet beet juice. Yeah, or something, just the creative process. That's where I always find myself.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:22

I'm right there with you, brother. And any form art, painting, dancing, music, yeah, sex, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:30

Well, we've hit we've hit over two hours on this podcast.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:33

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:34

I think this is the longest we've we've ever done.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:36

And my stomach is growling, so I should probably do something down the gully.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:41

Does it feel a minute over, an hour and sixty minutes? We appreciate you guys coming out. Yeah, yeah. Thanks for having us, guys. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_06 2:01:49

Thanks for sitting this along and telling us some nitty-gritty and talking shit. Yeah, always.

SPEAKER_10 2:01:54

Did you get all your questions you wanted?

SPEAKER_06 2:01:57

I would I could go another hour or so. I could too.

SPEAKER_10 2:02:01

Because you know, there's uh always questions.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:03

Bonnie, go get some beers. I know. Drunken podcast. Awesome, lads, good to see you. Yeah, thanks again for coming, you guys. Cheers.