Previously unreleased episode :David O'Rielly (Union and Metro Podcast ) Guest host Sulo KIng !

This is an early episode when we were trying things out as we transition from the studio to my place and we’re trying to figure out what direction we are going to go. It is a bit rough, but I hope you enjoy it .

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:02

Welcome to the Union and Metro show. I'm Sulo. I'm Jerry. I'm Jerem. And today's special guest is David O'Reilly. Hey, how's it going? Pretty good. So, Dave, uh, how long has it been since you've seen these guys?

SPEAKER_00 0:19

Um probably 20 years, I guess. You know, Jerry probably 10 years. I mean, you know, give or take. Because of the SD. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 0:28

Some SD time period. Right.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Tris Arms a few times, you know, every now and then. But uh Germ, probably what? 99?

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Well, no, no, he was gone in 99. Yeah, I was gone by 97. So okay, it's it's it's been a minute. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

To say the least.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Yeah. So David, David, what band were you in? Uh the original Metro.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

At Metro, I was in Good for Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

And what uh do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00 0:55

What year did you guys start playing Metro? We started in '97. 97? So we were active from 97 to 2000, 2001.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

So it was probably me booking you guys. Yep. Me and uh Chris from the cause back in the day. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

Yeah, Chris did a lot of the booking. Yeah, that's right. He did.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

I mean, nothing against Chris. Uh the problem I had with Chris when he was booking, he liked to book his band too much on every show.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Every side stage show they put it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

And the the thing that really pissed me off with Chris was when the Suicide Machines played with the veil on the main stage. Uh, was he at that show? He put himself on there, but he made a n hardcore band, Missing 23rd, open. Okay. I'm like, no, they're coming from out of town. You you guys need to open, and he went open and just kind of pissed me off.

SPEAKER_00 1:43

He was running the venue, right? Chris. He was booking the shows.

SPEAKER_02 1:47

He actually was getting paid. Golden Voice paid him money to book the shows. So I booked some and he booked some. Alright. But yeah, Chris, I don't I don't know whatever happened to that guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:56

I heard he said in the Bay Area last. Uh last time his name even came up was with uh John Green, and um unfortunately he passed away a few years ago. So shout out to John. Shout out, John John Green. Cheers to John. And his brother followed, unfortunately. Uh the following year, year and a half later, Justin Green. Yeah. They played in the band American Tragedy. Remember that? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So uh anyways, last last I heard was he was up in the Bay Area and he hadn't talked to him in a long time. So I have no idea. Someone should reach out to him sometime. I think he's uh is he a member of the Facebook group? No.

SPEAKER_02 2:40

No? Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure if he was a member, he'd be posting stuff because I'm sure he has a bunch of stuff. Oh, there's a lot of people that don't. He even on that group. Well, he even wrote an article in one of the magazines for San Diego called Soma. When Soma Died back in '99.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

So um, yeah. You know, when Metro closed, I feel like it it forever changed, Soma. And it's I mean, as much as we wanted to bring back that magic, wasn't it wasn't that lightning in a bottle, you know. Right. It just wasn't the same.

SPEAKER_02 3:11

I mean, even when we go down to the flower shop, which which used to be.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Hey, remember you scouted me to go down there to try to find out if we can get it back.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

We uh we we feel the vibes in there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

So yeah, well, you know, Jerry and I and Mikey went down there and um because we looked at um we looked at the Office Depot building. Because the idea of, okay, well, so metro's closed, right? And we all remember the Office Depot. That place has been closed forever. It's now just a home. How long has it been closed? Not that long, right? Oh well Jerry and I got when we start this, um I think it's been closed six years now.

SPEAKER_02 3:53

That long already?

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Well it's when you ask the real estate agents, they'll they'll tell you different, you know, because they wanted what, I don't know, three million for the place. So I I think I offered them 30 bucks. Um but you know, I've done walk arounds and everything. But you go there, you know, and so w Jerry and I are looking at the Teol Leos and looking at all the prospects and walking around, and we're like, if you look at the flower shop now, I mean things uh everything's changed. It's so nice. Back when the dirt lot, all that you could smell was dirty diesel oil, and now it's all paved and they closed off a bunch of stuff, so we went in and looked at it and we talked to the people in the flower shop and blah blah blah blah blah blah. Long boring story. But the energy in that whole cul-de-sac, you know, it's crazy. If you think about it back then when there was all those fucking people there, and then you're there in the middle of the day and it's just this dead empty space.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

There's a lot you were just there recently, weren't you?

unknown 5:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

So my fiance and I we had dinner at Teo Leo's, and I'm like, we gotta go, we gotta go. We gotta go next door and like walk, see what's there. And so we walked next door, we walked inside the flower shop, and we were looking around to try to find like, okay, what is still here that has not changed? Like, is it the rafters? Is it you know, is it um here? Yeah, like is there anything here that is still like a remnant of the old Soma? You know, so we're walking, we were walking around trying to find okay, this is still here, this is okay, it's like a treasure over here. You know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 5:36

So actually, when you walk into those front doors um where it's all nice, not the warehouse side of it, because really the warehouse side of it was Paul's furniture.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

Paul's furniture.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

And a lot of people get that confused. They think the whole building was Soma. No. Oh, absolutely not. So it was cut in half.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

It's more like Paul had the majority of the building than we had.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

What was the square footage on Soma on Metro?

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Um that would be I can't remember I was gonna say it's up to Jerry.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

It held 1375.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

Okay, well, all right. What was capacity on side stage?

SPEAKER_02 6:11

Capacity on side stage, I think we was uh 300?

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah, I think stage you would have it zoned better than I because we just kind of crammed in people and was it rancid?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Didn't they have like 1600 there though? I mean probably a few times over 1375.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

That's when it's raining from the ceiling from all the humidity. And well, that's you know, people didn't care back then. They didn't want, oh, I went I need a personal fan, I need my personal space. It was just you know we pack in fucking papers.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

Oh no, it's the only but for it. Not even in the terms. Really think about how shitty the place was, it was still awesome.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

As shitty as it was, it was still you wanted to be there.

SPEAKER_01 6:52

Yeah, because the bands, the scene, and you know, again, I'd hate to keep uh you know ringing the alarm or whatever you want to call it, but it's the local bands, and it was the fact that this is this was what this was ours, you know. Right? This is the place where the local bands go and they they they play in front of people, actual people, instead of playing in front of the cops that show up and you're trying to get one last song. You know, it's legit. But you know, it wasn't the Thunderdome as we were in Union Street, but right Thunderdome. And you know, when when you get in the place and you look at it empty, you're like, oh my god, this place is huge. But realistically, because I've walked every square foot of the fucking building, it wasn't that big, and then Paul's furniture was small. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Paul's furniture was huge, he was like double the size.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

Yeah, I I have a question.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 7:45

So you you mentioned Rancid germ. Yeah, 1990. Oh, yeah, 1997-98, uh, Outcome the Wolves comes out. Rancid played Silmon Metro. I'm standing in line in the cul-de-sac, and there's all these people starting to gather in the center. I don't know if you remember this, but they were like the it was like this organ Christian organization that started like yelling at people in line. Literally, nothing against Christians, people. I think I remember that. They were they were just yelling and like just chastising every single person that was in line. I wanted to ask you guys like how did you deal with stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 8:24

We just ignored them. It's funny that they did went to that show and not the Marilyn Manson show.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

Well, yeah, seriously. You know, they started a Deuside or Deuside, however we wanted to call it back when we were downtown. And um so realistically, I don't remember how that one started back in '91 or '92. Did what do you remember that back then, David? Did we do the union shows back then?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

No, I didn't start going to song until like ninety four. So that was a little bit more. So you he went to right when Metro. Yeah, it was right around the beginning of the state.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Same year I started. And I think Chris too, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:00

What was your what was your band that you were in? Justin too.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

Or sorry, Jay.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Well, 94. I would I didn't start playing live till around 96, 97. So I I was just going to song. I just lived there every week. You know, like I'd pull in. So I was thinking of my dad used do you remember a store right by Teoleo's called Auto Parts Club? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. My dad ran that for until it went under. And so I I would park there. You know, I'd park in his pre-model parking.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

So, you know, my buddies, we'd go park there, and then Did you get did your dad give you the keys to the store so you could use them there instead of he's killing beers in the auto shop before a stomach show?

SPEAKER_00 9:39

So we'd go there and then we walk across. But the funny thing, you were talking about walking up, you know, to the venue. It'd be Friday, we wouldn't know who was playing. It didn't matter. We would be going to Soma, right? Right, right. You'd show up in the cul-de-sac, sometimes it'd be a line 200, 300 people deep, sometimes there'd be 20 people. Right. You know, that was it was awesome. You know, like you know, it'd be a sideshow or it'd be a small main stage where you know maybe you knew one band playing or whatever. So that you know, that was always the nostalgic part, and then you got inside and it was just like Disneyland for punk rockers.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

I like the way you put that.

SPEAKER_05 10:12

You were talking about going there in uh 94. Were you still in uh high school? Are you a little older then?

SPEAKER_00 10:17

I started going there around freshman year, so I was in 94. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

So when you started going there, I know from my friends uh when we used to go there, like when we first started to go in there, we were getting dropped off by parents. And I remember the first time we went there, we made that mistake of the minivan pulling out front right in front of the cul-de-sac?

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Most embarrassing moment ever.

SPEAKER_05 10:38

And then there's this line of people, and then everyone just applauds and drop myself at the 7-Eleven.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

And that's why we always call junior, yeah. That's why we always refer to uh Metro as the daycare.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Right. Well, I called it glorified babysitting, but now in and I'm actually on video, I'm on that circle jerks documentary where I say, well, it's like glorified babysitting, but realistically, I mean that's kind of arrogant even saying that because I I was in my early twenties. You know, what an ass here I am saying this, but it was just out of jealousy because I wanted that. Because I didn't have that. I mean, when I was started to first wanting to go to shows, I remember the couple of skinheads telling me they weren't really skinheads per se, they just had their heads shaved and I was a hippie and but I wasn't a hippie because of the punk rocker, but we all rode skateboards and they're like, Yeah, we'll bring in a show, we'll give you a studded belt, and um just uh if anyone attacks you to cut your hair off, just take the belt out and just start swinging it. And I'm like, Alright, cool. And it was for an exploited show. Well, I didn't go to the show. But that was my first like experience of okay, this is what it's like. So when I started doing these shows, I was already like full of piss and vinegar just coming in like, Well, I'm I got my studded belt and and fuck you. You know, I'm doing these fucking shows, and that old man over there, yeah, he owns the fucking place. So it's on. Let's do a fucking show. But then you know, once you get into the bands and you get everything going on, you start to realize, you know, this is like a community and and we are growing it from the ground up. It looks scary and everything until you get in it and you become part of it. And you become part of it, and then it becomes organic. You just you find your place and you blend in. And that's all because of you know, all you guys with your bands. So that being said, first time you play, what's what's the memories of that?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

First time playing Soma. Side stage, probably fifty, sixty people, yeah. Small show. Probably nervous. Yeah. Yeah, nervous. You know, I've probably been to fifty shows. Right, right. You know, and then finally started playing.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

And um that was with Good for Nothing? That was yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

It's a different feeling when you go from just attending shows to getting on stage and performing the show to entertaining these kids, you know.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

I had gone to shows for so long and I started becoming friends with like you know, Chris from Agent and Brad Bohensky, obviously from the classified at the time, or maybe even No Clue back then. Oh, you know, um, so shout out to Brad.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Shout out to Brad Bohinsky.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

My first shoma show uh Brad took me to. Um, we can talk about that a little bit later. We're talking about the first show I played. Man, I I was sweating bullets. You know, I was probably running over because I saw the Soma bathroom like F that ran over to Carlos Jr.

SPEAKER_03 13:41

We talked about this earlier in a previous episode that we had a whole segment dedicated to the smell and the bathroom at some moment.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Where does UL? Where's Russo going to the bathroom, you know? But um didn't know that's where everybody went, you know. Was there a green room bathroom? No, no, oh, wow. But um, and I know that because I actually met the singer for all they were playing. And I met him in the bathroom. I'm like, fuck man, that guy's going to this bathroom. This is where it's at.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

So was that Steven, if I remember correctly? Chad? Chad.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Chad? Yes. Oh, okay. So that was probably around ninety eight. I think around ninety eight. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

I think that's when uh all played with Hagfish. Or actually Hackfish played with all, I should say. Yeah. That's when that's the day that's the the famous show when Bug got hit in the face. And the Hackfish guys went looking for the person that punched the profit or bicep.

SPEAKER_03 14:44

You guys spoke about that on a previous episode. Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

Because you know, I had to watch the biggest. I watched Ian, the you know, we got Ian, minor threat, you know, Figazi. I walked him over to Teo Leo's because I personally was like, dude, I cleaned these places. Let's go over to Teo Leo's. You know. Right. And and this is the band that brought in their own I I believe they brought in their own dryer to throw their clothes in. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Right? They washed their clothes in the sink and then dr and had an electric dryer when we performed, they had their clothes drying.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Yeah, because his whole thing was like, you know, fuck the stage lights. We're gonna do it like a jazz band or like a blues band. We don't want any special lights, we want the house lights. And the crowd was like, you know, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 15:31

But we're always talking about Fugazi every episode.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

Fugazi. Well, you know. It's a good band to talk about. Daisy Chain and uh Oh, JZ Chainsaw?

SPEAKER_03 15:40

Yeah, Daisy Chainsaw and Fugazi. Fugazi is your favorite show. Oh my god. Daisy Chainsaw was your favorite show. What was your favorite show, Mr. Arms? Yeah, what was your favorite show? Let's go around and let's share favorite shows here.

SPEAKER_04 15:56

Well, I mean, uh I told the story or earlier about having slapped the uh unwritten raw sticker on the on the monitor at the Green Day show. You know, that's probably the first memory that stands out in my mind. And that was at Union Street? That was at the Union Street. Yeah, and I think I believe that show was ten dollars. It probably was. Unreal.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

I want to say they had like a big present on the show.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Were you guys at that show?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

What year was that? I would have remembered that for sure if I was there.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Sounds about right.

SPEAKER_02 16:48

Was that the white light, white trash show? When that when they were touring, that was when Chuck Biscuits played drums.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

We played with him in that lineup in '97 at the street scene Kelly Kate did. Um I want to say it was probably right around that time.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

Yeah, I think that was the last time they played Metro, and that was the last time I saw uh uh Dennis Daniels before he passed away in 2000.

SPEAKER_05 17:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:09

I went to that show when actually he did pass away on the county and I actually drove him to his hotel after that show was over. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:18

I remember when we played with them at street scene, they put a Save Ferris sign on their trailer, so no one would bother them.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

So I got Safe Ferris.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

I got a I got two shows.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

Not that there's anything wrong with Save Ferris. Isn't Ace playing with Safe Ferris? Or somebody I know is playing with Justin. Justin Lin. I think he's playing with Safe Ferris. Anyway, so sorry.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, I got two shows. I mean, my first show it was it was actually face-to-face, and Sprung Monkey opened up for him, and uh I left with all Sprung Monkey gear. Oh shirts and albums and situation life stuff. And face-to-face was fucking killed it. Like they're still in one favorite. I don't know. I just remember it was oh man. This was in like '94. You know, I mean it was. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Because I took a chance on them and they ended up.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

And they they killed it. And sprung was like I said, they were fucking tough of the game. That's my first, you know, like Arns was saying earlier, you walk in and you got the smoke, and you got the girls walking around selling cigarettes and all this.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

That was a memory I forgot about. I don't even remember this because girls selling cigarettes. Yeah, the candy. The cigarette and candy girls, candy girls that won the walk through the box.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

So that that was probably my most memorable show, but uh I'd still say the best show I've ever been to. And it was the suspense, it was Dancehall Crashers, Unwritten Law, and Bad Religion. And and at the time, and law was getting ready to kind of I think we uh if they blew up, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

Actually, we didn't talk about that show, but uh I was mentioning that show on on the Facebook post, and Rob dropped it over. Yeah, but uh that was the first show where we had extra barricade brought in. Yes, because remember we just had that one rail. They um and Greg Greg was like, You gotta have extra barricade. We're you know we're just a couple of years. I'm like, no, we d we don't. We're everybody was pissed because this is Soma. Right. We don't need any extra barricade, we have ground control. So they they didn't get that. So that barricade would took up it actually took a certain amount of people out of the room because it it took up space.

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Well, they played two nights, so you had plenty of things.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

But still, still we didn't need it. And that was it, that was the show where Greg Dowdy um from Industrial Sound, uh Greg went out and busted every microphone. You remember that? And Greg Dowdy said, Fuck you, I'm out of here. Why'd he get so pissed?

SPEAKER_03 19:56

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was that all about?

SPEAKER_02 19:58

Just some Was he drunk or something? No, it was uh it was something with discrepancy. Something with Greg not being happy with the way things were sounding.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

Yeah. Oh, I've I've I've witnessed that. Uh where can I brick by brick?

SPEAKER_02 20:10

And which was which was crazy, Industrial Sound did warp tour. They were the warp tour band. Yeah. Whereas Rat Sound was the Lollapouza sound company. Right.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

So so do you remember it was so Unwritten Law is starting to get pretty big, and but Dance All Crash, they were kind of like opening the so, anyways, I remember Len walks out, nobody knows who's playing first, and he's like, Alright, San Diego, dance all crashers, and everybody goes fucking nuts, right? Because they're like, oh you all's going on a little bit later, you know, San Diego band. By the time Bad Religion comes on, we're fucking done. We're waiting, you know, like we're so tired from two insane shows that like two and a half hours of killer fucking music, right? Right. And then Bad Religion came out, and it's the best punk band, in my opinion. So then you had to find two more hours of energy to mosh. And that was the great that was the great race. Yes. Uh to work. So yeah. And being a guitar player. I mean, Brian Baker is is minor threats. Minor threats. He's the guy that put a guitar the reason I started playing guitar, right?

SPEAKER_03 21:09

You know, so minor threats is the reason I got into punk. Yeah, first punk band CD I ever listened to.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

So that's well, just that no you want my wife to just uh inadvertently plug her in this whole thing. But um, yeah, it's a huge I just bought another uh Bad Religion album for her, and she's a huge fan of Bad Religion. But I mean, if you were to go to iguanas, if you were gonna try to figure out what show you wanted to test your life to go down there and take a chance on, then it would be a bad religion show. I mean, that was the whole thing short lived, and I would go down there and um that was the one the one seminal show. So once we started doing Soma, you know, it was kind of like that was one of those bands that I wanted to see there. I wanted to see GBH play there, which we did at Union Street. And um we did uh uh what was the other one? Well unfortunately we had UK subs but um what's the other one? But the so the shows you know iguanas that I've tried to bring there to give to the local band. So that being said, what band from the 80s playing Soma did you look forward to playing with like what would be you know like the seminal band if I could open up for any band?

SPEAKER_00 22:41

Yeah jeez.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Wow that's a tough question for me for me if I could open up for any band it would be Sex Pistols. Alright that would be me what about you Jay while he's thinking about his answer.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

I'm gonna have to come revisit me I'm gonna think about it.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Chris you got one Chris I remember playing with gutter mouth it was really fun. Yeah for some reason they just popped into my head do you guys have any gutter mouth stories? Because I remember I remember uh gutter mouth playing the Metro they're like the person that screams the loudest in the crowd gets a free t-shirt or whatever right so they they bring you you might remember this germ but they bring this girl up on stage and Brian is that the singer no Mark Atkins he brings out this hunk of baloney you remember this he's like the first person to eat this hunk of bologna gets a free t-shirt and it's this little 14 year old girl I remember it and so he's about to give it to her to start chowing down on I'm serious this thing's the size of a football and he right as he's about to give it to her he shoves it down his pants and like wraps it like like starts wrapping it around his balls.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

And then he never did she eat it though no she started chowing down but the other thing is he never gave her a shirt that was it it it it kind of reminds me of um Derek when he when we did the cockroach show and he took the ground beef remember we played the side stage and he took the ground beef and he beat the hell out of it before catch oh no we did um it was the that was meat that wasn't um that wasn't cockroach that was meat yeah it was meat the meat show and um I have pictures of it I remember there's a picture of my boot and right next to it is like this ground beef with ketchup on it and he ate that and oh my lord but but going back to gutter mouth alright um the funny thing is is when I before I started working at Soma I was working for Staff Pro.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

So I was doing bigger concerts like at the sports arena and uh when I was getting my going through my class to get the guard card the guy said you never ever want to work for Guttermouth. You do not want to be at the rail for a Guttermouth show.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

And I'm like was that based off of Soma?

SPEAKER_02 25:20

No then then when I first saw Guntermouth then I realized because back in the day he was covered in spit. Everybody would spit on Mark well that was his stick.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

You know the funny part is I just played with him over the weekend and they completely mellow. They don't do that anymore completely mellow. I I hadn't played with Guntermouth in probably like I don't know four or five years. And uh I mean he whole different band too no yeah in that short amount of time he completely changed he he was so mellow I was like expecting him to be like crazy and just fucking you know he's got like diarrhea mouth when he's on stage you don't know what you're gonna get with him.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

You have me thinking now of old JCC shows John Cougar where Chris would fling his boogers John Cougar concentration camp fling his boogers at you while he was singing and playing and then they always had like bales of fucking hay. They would and they would throw the hay throughout then this was like soul kitchen thing I don't know if they ever did it at Soma.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

No you guys experienced the hay or no we wouldn't let the hay in I heard about it but I never experienced it I wish I could have seen that we're like this isn't a ranch. Did you guys ever have Crash Worship play at Soma? I remember that band. I heard you had to like prepare with like tarps and and you know just cover all the gear because they threw raw meat and pig's blood and crazy shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:43

Couldn't have been worse than Guar well we did we did have Insane Clown Posse play at that show. Luckily I wasn't at that show.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

I saw them at Cain's and uh I was a staff member and I was drenched you know what I mean leaving that show.

SPEAKER_01 26:59

That that that's a band that I definitely I've I've reached out to some people and I hope to be able to do something with our podcast and talk about the Crash Worship as well as some of the industrial and earlier stuff.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Well they were one of the most experimental bands I've seen come out of San Diego like off the wall completely just different and they were like uh I don't even know how to inspire me in cockroach and meat as well to be honest. I don't know how to even do like put a uh describe them I mean they were just so weird you know what I mean and experimental that's the only way I word that really describes them.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

That's that's kind of at the sign of the time being you know I'm not much older than you guys but I mean it would be considered experimental punk rock. Yeah um and pushing boundaries and finding out exactly where the walls are.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

And it wasn't like negative in any sense it was all positive and it's it's like spiritual it was a spiritual experience being at one of those shows and unfortunately like Crash Worship stopped playing like right when I you know like caught wind of them in the early 2000s or whatever it was and I I only heard like legendary stories like uh Big Vinny would always tell me about working sound for Crash Worship story or sorry shows and he's like we had to cover everything oh yeah everything yeah you know it's like a disclaimer at the front door when you come to a crash worship show you may leave with like blood on you.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Yeah yeah Gigi Allen shows are like come as you are and leave with shit. Well Brick by Brick was one of the most infamous Gigi Allen shows for San Diego and it wasn't brick at the time it was spirit yeah and I still feel bad for Jerry because when he came to me Jerry and um yeah I I I feel bad because I I didn't want to book him but and then like I mentioned at another point um Merle um trying to do murder junkies but you know that's a different time so spinning it right back so Jair you might disagree or you can you've you've told me fat mic is not your favorite but I would love to play with let's hear about that for a second.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Well I mean Jerem can even say stuff about fat mic I gotta answer Jerem's question that's probably the ban I would want to open up for is no effects.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

His comments about like the vet uh the Las Vegas yeah at punk rock bowling well that was fucked up of course you don't go there but that's how he is all the time.

SPEAKER_02 29:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Yeah but that's his thing the thing the thing with fat mike I think we had this discussion before we've had discussions over there because I've always been a really big fan of the problem with with Mike I mean he's arrogant.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah all right him and his wife back in the day were very arrogant they came in like they were rock stars and that's not punk to me it's like it's like it's like a they're posers you know yeah they call it jock and the other guys in the band I had no issues with the other guys in the band Eric Melvin's one of the nicest he lives in San Diego when he was doing punk rock carrying he came up to me and he's like I remember you from Brick by Brick when you sang uh Pretty Vacant and you were all fucked up he's all was that your band that just opened up I was like yeah he's like dude you sound just like the singer RKL and I'm like taken back because we've barely been a band for like a year I was like uh thanks you sound you sound just like Eric Melvin like that's it that's the way he would talk to you just such a rad dude when you guys were all those guys like I never had an issue with any of the guys no effects but fat Mike was the only guy I never cared to talk to when you guys are talking about the best show you've seen you guys were going oh yeah best show that we saw back at it wasn't at Metro I think one of the best the my probably one of my best experiences I was actually working for Bad Religion doing merch uh for San Diego Street scene and it was when the Sex Pistols played and I got to sit on stage why they played. That was my favorite I was just gonna say that I ran from REM because Sex Pistols was about to start I'll never forget that. And I remember you were on stage with Sex Pistols so you went so you went from happy shiny people to anarchy in the UK hell yeah I did hell yeah I'd never seen REM and I'm glad I got to see them because it was the only time I saw REM I'd never seen Sex Pistols and I'm never forget living here when that happened the singer of Bad Religion was you know bad religion set was cutting in to Sex Pistol set and I remember the singer Bad Religion was like making fun of that he's all actually no well Johnny can wait and there was a I heard a little actually it was uh what happened that that show was I actually was there before bad religion showed up they flew in and had to have a police escort to get him to street scene.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

This was 2000 actually this one okay I think it was 2000 dying then because it moved over to what was it uh sports arena yeah yeah but this was because I did the last several street scenes when it was downtown yeah but yeah it got shitty after that you know that was cool when they closed you know three blocks and they had more complaint wasn't the same anymore.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

No after they took it out of downtown they tried the last a couple street scenes I believe were in East Village and even that wasn't the same it's even like when they used to move the warp tour around remember how they oh yeah move it from different locations racetrack at the fairgrounds at one point. I remember the year the Aquabats when they had it uh what was it like somewhere in like Mission Bay Aquabats jumped into the bay after they're set that was pretty epic aquabats anyways well let's go back to Dave they were in wetsuits when they were ready.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Dave like are you still playing music or like what's going on I still play actually I played last night I'm in a band called Dirty Martinis plug I guess it's uh it's not a Soma type of band by any means we do some covers and do some blues some rock it's a bunch of old dudes like me right like I guess like all of us do you do some bluesy um no effects songs yeah there's no there's no no effects man want to hear my bluesy rendition I should bring that up to the bros I should bring that up no it's uh they're all way better musicians than me but uh I just do my thing keep up as much as I can that's cool but no that's cool we've been playing um off and on for a bit but um other than that man I I played uh my band Good for nothing I think I said earlier we played with with Agent and Pivot and a few bands a few years ago at House of Blues that was a reunion still open to doing more reunion shows always open to play I don't want to I don't ever want like you were saying earlier we're talking about going on the road and stuff and you know I got two kids at home and wife and life that that would never appease that's like me now when I go out with bands now we just go out for maybe four days and come back everybody everybody's working. And to be honest I mean my background you know when I got into music I didn't I never looked at it as shit this is an opportunity to be a business I wanted to party and have fun and like the the like honestly I was like I'll go play for five people thirty people because you and because you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Yeah that's probably why we named our band Good for nothing I don't know like we I mean not you know we were never taking it that serious did you did you guys band name by the way did you guys ever play the main stage no we never played you never played main stage I played at uh New Year's but that was after the sports arena one open uh Soma opened up okay so we did play that played that yes oh shit I totally forgot they're always fun I remember that not for not for us I didn't have to work I was just a high school kid going in hindsight to me you know thinking about the twenty five twenty six hour day I mean no one had ever done that I never worked that I still look at my okay well I'm gonna work you know six hours seven hours doing landscaping I'm gonna come home and I'm gonna work on my charity and podcast and I'll do this. I'm like I'm always looking well if I don't work 24 hours in a day then I'm just a weak bitch.

SPEAKER_02 35:21

You guys know what the worst thing was with those New Year's Eve shows? What? It was the union crew that we had that we had to hire.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Well you had to hire them that's right.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

It just got in the way and made things complicated they made it slow because they weren't on the same page.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Well they made it slow like loadout at the end you know in the morning when we were done they would take their time well we got to have our cigarette break we had to do this because they wanted to get they wanted to go into overtime.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Here we just wanted because we weren't getting open the I had to open the club at well I had to go and close off whatever freaking rave and then I had to open the club for the next show the next day after that so you know I mean there's only so many course lights before eventually I'm I'm like you know done. But the the reality this is the craziest thing and no one will really understand this unless we've done it we had local bands playing the fucking sports arena you know what I mean my first concert ever seen was Iron Maiden with Twisted Sister opening up and we have local bands local bands three right three stages 20 bands.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Who else was doing that? Nobody's done I went up there and did fark jokes and bands we had the two stages in the main hall right and then we had the bar the bar stage wasn't there a stage out front no you're thinking of warp tour. Well the warp tour one year in the sports arena they had a stage outside and then they had the stage I think they only did one stage inside at Warp Tour because that was the that was that was when it was 96 I think 95 or 96 because the the Suicide Machines played that I just remember seeing No Doubt and this is before they had any songs on the radio I think at one of the New Year's Eve shows when I was in high school like who's this 95 to 95 to 96.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

Yeah honestly playing in a range that would be one of my favorite shows is one of the New Year's Eve shows and and not just one of them because you had such a a wide variety of different bands. Right right and like nobody was really doing that. I mean and whoever was in charge of laying out the lineup each year like every year did an excellent job.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

I'm actually going to give that to Lynn because I just well Lynn Lynn did some of it he had me do some of it um like he he tried to get me to get the Deftones on one year and um those guys just they didn't want to play nears. Like nah we're gonna party yeah before the wind might I think we try to get rage to play it one year.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

That would have been at that at that time all I know is I kind of I came up with the chemistry and the and a formula but you know even me even saying it now it's he's he would take credit for it because actually we tried to get offspring that would do it too um yeah it's the year you played Dave like what stage were you on?

SPEAKER_00 38:29

We were in the what was the third stage the lounge oh you guys played in the lounge okay in the lounge that that's the one that I was fast Super B. Oh yeah Spell Toronto uh Spokonto Divided by Zero and TJ's band I don't remember there was one oh Reeve Oliver okay yeah that was O's band so and then on the I remember Rise Against was on one of the main stages and they were that's before they were big yeah they were getting ready to blow up um that was before Zach Blair in the gimme gimmys I think headline that year um yeah that that was a fun show so what was what was the whole setup that's like give us a yellow yellow card was on that I think you're right yeah taking back Sunday show that shows were always well put Thrice was on that too oh that's when Thrice was coming up too yeah yeah I mean th those shows are a blur you know I mean I mean I know I've seen anywhere from the descendants to Sig of Ital to Blink to No Doubt I mean all those bands you all those bands I've seen at NoFacts I they've all played those shows at one point.

SPEAKER_02 39:46

I'm trying to remember the last one um before Metro closed down the last one we did I just remember the Shefflip brothers you know Scott and Chris were at that New Year's Eve show and I'm trying to remember I think I guess it was face to face and no use played I think you're right yeah at the last what the one that Golden Voice did.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

It's a shame they don't have those shows anymore.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

I mean that's because I'm not there anymore.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

Do kids it ended when I quit did kids go to shows like that anymore?

SPEAKER_03 40:15

There's no one's done anything like that in kids are like what's a show when was the last when was the last New Year's Eve show? What was it 2004?

SPEAKER_05 40:23

2004 yeah just interject my first show ever was at the sports rent I actually saw Nirvana play with uh whole surfers and they had Bobcat Goldway there and he was emptying you're kidding me that's epic it had been like 92 I think it was like 15 years older because I saw Nir I saw Nirvana at the O'Brien Pavilion with the red hot chili peppers and Pearl Jam.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

Pearl Jam was the opening band that was uh I think it was 92 I think 92 91 something like that playing sound guitar um no I don't think Pat was on I don't think Pat was on that at the time you know it's an interesting topic like bringing up younger bands you know but with the advent of shows like uh American Idol and America's got talent you have to wonder like what the what the value system is of these younger bands and I know I sound like a cranky old man saying this but it's like it just seems to me like the value system system is like well how can we get big how can we get rich and famous instead of just like art for the sake of back then we had to hack it out we didn't have talent shows like that we didn't have that fucking internet we didn't have the internet to make us famous you could go out any night and see a random band and just be blown away well now you you don't even have to have a band you just get on TikTok and play some music behind you and sing into a mic and you're oh we were I just made a million dollars by our heroes not trying to be influencers I mean Chris OpenFast in 94 well you guys were opening up for Pennywise right at Soma we opened up for uh corn for corn corn yeah that's it so you never so because I I remember sitting in class with Rob and he's like shit man I thought he you know he'd come in over playing with this band or you know quicksilver quicksand you know there's all kinds of rad bands you guys churches do you remember those those sideshow gigs you guys were always playing um what was your what was your best show of that band because that was like the prime of Soma yeah we we talked earlier about this um it was probably the the corn show because that was the first band that OpenFast excuse me the first show that OpenFast ever played was with corn we got thrown into the fire playing a mainstage show and we had never played even a garage in our life so you know what's funny the first corn show I saw at Metro was when they opened for 311 I actually kind of do remember that show.

SPEAKER_01 42:59

I remember the flyer Goldspoon right I think they were on that one opening because gold spoon I mean not gold spoon um that would have been ninety four as well yeah because they used to play Dream Street they played with Goldspoon as far as I remember um the the the crazy thing is how bands like that would just shoot out of nowhere and then become popular. Again it would seem like it was the LA thing.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

311 can I would I think I played a side stage show in front of a hundred people with POD. Oh yeah yeah I'm sure they've been brought up a million times they'd have the pit pot was it the pit boss they had their guys that would kind of come and like scare everybody, you know all these little kids from Poway and stuff. But uh next thing you know fucking huge biggest band in the country for a moment.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

I still can't believe they're rise because if I remember correctly and again you know Corz Light and they're not sponsored Me, so I blame them on my memory. But I needed a band, a band had backed out. So I needed a band. Next thing I know, uh I believe it was Marcus. Um, because I really like the Chula Vista band a lot. They the punk bands out of there, you know, Chicken Farm, you know, shout out to Bibaldo, Alberto, uh, those guys just I remember being out there and I need a fucking band, blah blah blah. I don't remember what it was, but so I believe it was Marcus said, hey, we got a band I'm gonna call it POD and payable on death, right? And I'm like, well, if you bring in 20 fucking people tomorrow, then you can play the show. I'll book you right now. Something something along those lines. Mind you, you know, a lot of core sites and skateboarding and god knows what else. So they played and they did really well. So again, they were on my radar. It's like, okay, if you're gonna do all the fucking work, because I'm doing all this work trying to create a scene, right? You know, and I got Len yelling at me, you know, these bands better produce because he's putting out all the money. And I'm just some dumb punk rocker, so you know, I have to produce. They produced. And then they just keep, you know, moving up, moving up, moving up. And that was the whole thing, is you know, you you could book all the bands you like in the in in the world, but if they're not producing and you're not making money, then you're just gonna close down. And they they produced.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

I didn't see it coming with POD, man. I I didn't either. I didn't see it coming with Blink 182.

SPEAKER_02 45:39

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah, but it's the same thing with the power.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Because they were pretty slapstick, and and you just kind of have a feeling when you didn't see it. I think somebody for the well it doesn't matter. It did it didn't matter. I was like, this band is hilarious, bro. Chicks loved them. So I'm saying they had the Blinkmobile, they they had their shtick.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

The first time I saw them at Soma. Sorry, Chris, but the first time I I remember watching them. And on it, the only thing I remember from they brought on like three girls on stage and did like a wet shirt competition, and you have 15.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

How does that make a band good?

SPEAKER_00 46:15

It doesn't. Yeah, exactly. But that's what I remember from the show. How many bigs have made it that are out there?

SPEAKER_03 46:22

None of mine. Well, I mean, there's a lot of bands out there that are not as entertaining as well. It was a timing thing, yeah. But like we said on a previous episode, someone had mentioned, I think it was UJ, about AFI. Well, they don't sound like that anymore. Yeah, they got overproduced. That's what happens when you get signed. You know what I mean? Now it's a business. You listen to Blink, it's like listening to every other indie rock band. You know what I mean? It's not the same anymore.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

They're the new Blink isn't going anywhere. So again, it I go back to Jerry Finn from who put out those those albums that actually sold because he added stuff to it to make it better. Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Well, and I think yeah, I'm not trying to make it music. I'm gonna say it's because their main songwriters in a different band now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

I want to say one quick thing though. You know, despite how we feel about Blink, whatever, I mean their San Diego band, Hometown Heroes. Oh yeah. And Mark Hopp is hurting right now. Yeah, let's give him some love. You know, so I want to give Mark some love. And uh, you know, I hope he he gets through, you know, this cancer and goes back into remission.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Uh so I will say what I've known of Mark is like not being a huge Blank fan, but what a dude that guy's always been. Like he would he would literally I mean he called Brad. Sorry, that was me that called Brad. Didn't he call Brad though also? No, it was me. Oh fuck it, fuck it, Mark. No, I'm just kidding. But but Mark would take every I remember when they first got signed, he took like 20 dudes from Poway, go to the movies, hang on. You know what I mean? He wasn't a dick, he wasn't a douche. He worked at the do you remember he worked at the warehouse? Was it the warehouse? Same goodie, the warehouse?

SPEAKER_04 48:02

Warehouse Poway. I got arrested there when I was 17 for skateboarding. We'll go back to that.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

And he was a he was a normal, he was a cool dude, man. He just Chris, I'm not gonna get you on a board again. So Jarr, that was you. Fuck Brad Bohinski for telling me that Mark Hoff has called him. Brad Hey Brad, I know you're not listening because they don't fucking do anything anymore. But they believed it.

SPEAKER_02 48:24

That was so funny because they totally fell for it. And I did it like I was all like, sorry, Brad, this is Mark, and I'm all jacked up. It's on the uh it's on the classified album. It's in the hidden track. Yeah, it's the hidden track on the classified album for seven years bad luck. Yeah, seven years bad luck.

SPEAKER_00 48:44

That's one of the best San Diego albums.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

I just wanted to chime in about uh Blink and Mark. I was a big fan in high school, and I think the first time I went to Soma, uh I want to say it was Blink and Rust playing together. Kind of a weird a weird coupling, but I liked both bands, and I ended up running into the guys in Blink at May Day and seeing them there and talking to them. And I think the the first time I ever heard the term MILF was actually from Tom. This is before American Pie came out and everything. But those guys were really cool. I I was you know learning how to play bass, and I hit up Mark. I'm like, hey, you know, you think you can hit you know give me some tab and this, that, and and he actually gave me some of the tabs to some of their songs, and and uh I had him call up one of my friends, uh mothers, and uh and prank her. So they actually did, you know, get involved with that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Well, they're a San Diego band. Yeah. So, you know, there's kind of that little We all know we're from San Diego. This is a little bit of tongue-in-cheek, you know, fuck with people.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

I mean, you know, as much as I say they weren't all that great, um, they did they gotta give them props, they got huge. Well, yeah, 30 million albums or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:54

They got huge But no listen, they're from San Diego, so fuck it, you know. Fuck the rest of the world. They blew out a bunch of bands, and yeah, like you guys are saying every history.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Everybody in the band is nice, they're all nice kids. Yeah, yeah. And you're friends with Scott, you know. I mean, they're former drummer. Yeah.

unknown 50:09

I could say this. Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Have haven't gone to high school with those guys, they were the same exact like piss and shit jokes.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

You had cla wait, you had classes with them, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. Like I bought.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

Well, you're you're in school with uh Tom and Scott. TV and video film class with uh Tom DeLong, and they're making shit and piss jokes back then. And that's that's what they did. So you can't really say they're selling out. That's they were just sharing who they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

Well, no, it's not selling out it's like the the the executive rape label executives told them to tone all that shit down and you know clean them up a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 50:44

Well, wasn't that why Scott left? He didn't want to drop his pants or what?

SPEAKER_03 50:47

No, he got fired.

SPEAKER_05 50:49

Did he?

SPEAKER_02 50:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

We don't want to go there, though.

SPEAKER_00 50:51

Yeah, we're not gonna go there, but you know Scott wasn't he was a sweetheart, though, man. I love Scott. I miss him in the world. Spent six months putting that movie theater or turning that movie theater. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

You guys put a lot of blood spin into the new soma.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

Yeah, we we were there day in and day out doing the demo. Lynn didn't hire a crew. That was uh that was the four of us. So were you donating your time? They were getting paid. We got the minimum wage.

SPEAKER_03 51:22

Did you at least get a burrito out of the dick?

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Jumbo jacks every day. Lynn was all about jumbo jacks. We could mix it. Can you get the chicken sandwich? He's like, ah, Dave. Wow, it's a dollar nineteen, Dave.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

At least you can do it at least, you know, not not feed him jumbo jacks every day. At least switch it up and burrito.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

But Len was good to me though, so I'm not gonna talk, you know what I mean? As soon as it opened, he's like, What show do you want? You know, I mean Yeah, so he reads it. I want to hear about it.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

I want to hear about they never played. Uh bingo, there you go. Yeah tell me tell me about the construction.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

When like because you know, the the best story I have was Scott uh Scott Rayner on the on the scaffolding in a you know, movie theaters they're slanted. Yeah. And so the the scaffolding was not locked in. And it wasn't locked in, and we're standing up there with sledgehammers, breaking walls down. I think it was five theaters if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

Yep, breaking walls down six theaters total, kept the one for the side, for the side stage when the slope went this way. Yes, and you guys had to take all that slope out and dig all that concrete out.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

And we just rented a bunch of excavating whatever. It doesn't matter. But I remember we're gonna do that or yeah, we brought in some of that stuff and none of us knew what we were doing. A bunch of 21-year-old kids that had just started getting drunk and balls.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

Dude, I remember walking in there when Len was giving me a tour the first time. I love this. There's kids you know that are like 20, 21 operating like it was me. Operating machines like bulldozers and shit. I'm just like, what the day's up there?

SPEAKER_00 53:00

So the the craziest part of it, and I mean we should we're hungover every day. We're there from eight to three or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 53:07

Keeping up tradition.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

And um Scott Rayner, you just hear, ah fuck. You know, and Scott's not allowed, dude. He's on the top scaffold and the whole thing tipped over. You know, we're swinging as hard as we can, and Shay and I, we go running in, and he's just laying on the ground, you know, and yeah, I mean he wasn't hurt, thank God, right? But like he's just laying on the ground, just screaming, help, help. And scaffolding's pretty heavy and awkward. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and so we find, you know, and then the next day, you know, Len being Len, um, you know, I it was his way of saying sorry. He comes in with a new pair of like leather work boots for him. Oh, yeah, you know, and he was like, here he goes, you know, and I think he genuinely felt bad. Oh no, he does. And Scott was like, it's good, dude, it's good, you know. We're all here, you know. But that you know, it was it was it was like uh boot camp, you know. I'm not in the military, so no disrespect. But um that summer was Dude, the worst the worst was taking all those chairs out. Yeah, taking the chairs out and beating all the time all because we wanted to bring Soma back. You know, it was we're all in our early twenties, and we spent two, three years of our teenage years. Four years of our teenage years every weekend at Soma. We wanted that back.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

I could spend literally probably eight hours just talking to you about that because of the fact that I I didn't get to do that in Metro. We did the destruction of Union Um after we had to leave, but you know, I had to go back in the landscaping, which I'm still doing now.

SPEAKER_00 54:38

Alright. Yeah, I'll get drunk.

SPEAKER_01 54:39

Um, but I'm like I'm I want to know everything about the construction of the world.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

That's a whole nother story. That's a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

Well, that's we're we're gonna have to do another one because I mean that's that's the story that I want to hear.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

The best part, man, and and and I don't mean to sound funny, is playing that first show, and I can go take a piss in Soma right now. It had stalls and it was clean. But you walked in, and I think Lynn or whoever did a good job. I think it was well put together that the venue, but it wasn't the same. I like the venue.

SPEAKER_03 55:15

It didn't have the vibe and the energy wasn't there. I thought you on that.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

And maybe I was older. It's no, it has nothing to do with it. It was uh the bands had changed, it was sturdy went from punk bands to like this new genre of punk. It was the emocore.

SPEAKER_03 55:30

I like to call it the uh bubblegum punk.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Well, it was it was you the used and those kind of bands. Right.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

But it was cool because then I was sitting next to, you know, I'd sit at Black Angus, have a drink, go play the venue, you know, because then I was 21. I could live it up. So Jay.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

Thank you. You were welcome anytime I just before I draw this is all kind of overwhelming stories. I am completely miserable.

SPEAKER_02 56:00

No, it's a recording.

SPEAKER_03 56:01

Oh, okay. Uh so we're getting short in time. We should probably wrap up the episode with uh Dave. Why don't you share with us real quick before we do wrap up this episode one of the craziest shows you've ever played or attended? Yeah, at Soma. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Alright, because that that changes everything. Yeah, I I should have specified, yeah. Um God. I didn't play a ton of shows. I mean, I probably played eight or nine side stages at Soma at the at the Metro facility. Um I remember Goodridden's an unwritten law. Packed show and I was with Rad actually, and we're just going, you know, sweating, you know, it was like running a fucking marathon code, going through the mosh pit, right? And I just, you know, I remember you don't know anybody, just going barreling, dudes picking me up, and just got seriously thrown into the wall. Like I you know what I mean? I just got thrown into it, and then you just pick yourself up. Brad picks me up, he's like, Dave. I'm like, what? And my whole face is covered in blood.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

You know, because I got cut like right down my like in between my eyes, coming down my nose. And I was just like, fuck it, and ran just kept going, man.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Would you hit an elbow or something?

SPEAKER_00 57:21

I probably hit an elbow getting getting tossed into the wall. And I just remember being like, I didn't care. So back in back in those days.

SPEAKER_02 57:28

The gentleman's going and so so back in those days when you were in the pit, did you guys pound a couple forties before you went in in the parking lot? Oh yeah. Pound up the beverage. Because I did that before I was working at Soma and when I was in the Navy. Uh, me and my buddy Sean, we'd go like to No Effects. We went to a No Effects show and we pounded a couple forties before we went in there. So we wouldn't feel any pain when we were in the pit. Right.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

Yeah, you pound a couple Mickey's.

SPEAKER_03 57:57

That was the first ice beverage I ever had. Mickey's ice. Grenade. Mickey's grenade.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

Okay, full disclosure here. So I I was working, mind you. But at Union, when we opened up for Psychic Zoo, um skate and eggs, Psychic Zoo, and then Fear. I had my station wagon that I got from Mike Nevison. Um, Len procured that because I had to learn how to drive when I was 22, I believe. And um another thing, Len had talked me into it. If you learn, if you get your license, then I'll buy you a new pair of docks. Well, he was already giving me his docks, anyways, because Len always wore three three whole docks. They're the perfect docks. So I went into my station wagon, and I believe I had three um 40 ouncers before I went on and performed, and then I still had to, you know, do my part and run the fierce show. So you know, 21, 22 year old. And I made my girlfriend Sage, I mean not Sage, Sage was my roommate. Shout out Sage. Um I gave her lyrics that I wrote on um The Napkin the night before. These are the key points. Watch for me to point to you, and then have my girlfriend Carol doing some backups that did kind of the same thing. Because that was always about, you know, I'm gonna bring it's a fucking punk rock. This these guys are a metal band, and you know, I'm just gonna fuck everyone. Just fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you. Just you know, and um That's a lot of fun. I remember that. I remember being like, fuck off. I made so many people uncomfortable, but I'm like, just do it because it's art and you know, let's just fucking do it. Which, you know, now in my infinite wisdom I realize I like to be strategic. But yeah, I kind of I don't I don't advise drinking that many 40s in the parking lot of Soma for anyone, let alone if you actually worked on any or uh operate heavy machinery. I mean I I don't even know. Well, after the show I probably burned it all off. Right. Because you know, after the show the only person I'm worried about is I'm worried about Lee Ving going, uh Jim, that's a good show. Which he did like us a lot. I got a lot of praise. Lee Lee Ving. He he really, really, really dug what we did. And my singers and my band and everything, I mean that's the the bond that I have from that from playing that fucking show. Booking all you know everyone in the day, I I I don't get that anymore. I don't this is another great thing of talking with you guys is I want to hear your stories because I was so fucking drunk at the time when I would perform, I don't remember much.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:57

Yeah. You know, alcohol's kind of the great uh steadier of the ship when you got when you got show nerves. You go out there on stage and there's all these just eyes on you, man. It was just these just you know what it's like, that adrenaline rush hits you.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:19

I still do it to this day. I have at least one cocktail before I play to settle the nerves a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

I'm not trooding it with power or knocking it at the same time, but I remember having to have a few drinks to steady the shit before going on stage.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:32

Gotta get a little numbed. It wasn't the same. I played a couple sober shows or get hopped up on coffee or Red Bull or something. You know, and it's like it's not. But then I played a couple fucking wasted. And I don't recommend I don't recommend those shows. There is a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:47

And we know several bands that were pretty well known bands that played every show Wasted, right? Yeah. And they weren't such good shows. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Well the one show is the flipper show, but just to to re I just laughed beer out of my nose in my I mean my beard is covered in beer. Um yeah, I still I still get nervous. That's the thing, is after all these years that I've been doing, I mean I've been on stage for many, many years, and I I still get nervous. I always have to have you know a little bit to to to get me calm. But the the main the the funniest one to me, this we're gonna go into David. I want to find out. When Flipper played downtown, um they were so fucked up. I d I don't remember I wasn't there. I don't think David was there, he was there. I definitely wasn't there. And they didn't want to go on stage. So Lanslell yelling at me, well, you know, he wants some drugs, he wants some, you know, arbitrous, he needs he needs something to go on stage, and then even the the I don't remember the name, so it doesn't matter. But I was I was you know asked, well, can you play the bass and go up on stage? And at that point my bass playing skills were were minimal at best. I mean I sat on my porch in LB and I played the bass and I played you know how not even joy division because it was too complicated. And it was like, well, Clipper needs to go on, they need to play, and I can't remember if they're playing paywall for someone. And I'm like, I can I can I can't fucking play. Well, get him some drugs. I can't get him any drugs. Well we're in downtown San Diego, just get 'em some fucking drugs. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I can probably get 'em like an old rehab skateboard deck. Um so you know, and in my drunken, you know, wisdom, I'm like, I I can't even do this. I can't pull it off. I'm not I don't drink when I'm drinking coffee to to deal with these shows.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

So I was gonna say, how many of you guys seen Sublime Live?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:06

Once. Once, yeah, once it good?

unknown 1:04:09

Never saw them.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

No, they they were kind of wasted. They were off.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:13

I think I've seen them several times.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:15

311, Deftones, like every every big band that I've really looked up to for the most part, they've had at least a few off shows.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:24

Yeah, it's it's a drunken nervousness.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:26

But for a fact, but from but to but to be wasted every show and not do a good show, I don't know. That's why I don't know how why they got so big. I I never understood that either.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:38

They got huge after he passed away. Yeah, pretty much because they were a big touring band. They were a studio band, really.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

You mean Sublime, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well they were playing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

They were playing with No Dow and they were playing SoCal Shadow.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:51

The whole dub you know, scene wasn't really like noticed in a thing until Sublime came out, and then everybody started doing carbon copies and spin-offs of that sound. Right. You know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:03

But you know what you well we know because we talked about Adam, which is actually my current drummer, um, from So the Stupid. You know, it's like me, it's just coming full circle. I get nervous. I get nervous doing the podcast. I get nervous if I have to meet someone I haven't talked to in in 30 years. I get nervous, so I have to have a couple beers. You know, I'm I'm turning 53. I get nervous when I have to see Jerry.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:28

Were you nervous when you met me for this? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:32

And we were up till one thirty in the morning, and I was on, you know, the beauty part is like I I get here at seven and he's like, Well, you know, I'm kind of uh an early bird, so I want to be in bed by nine. Next thing you know, it's one thirty, and I'm telling you, I have I think you I should leave, and you're like nodding off.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:48

Well, yeah, I fell asleep and the wife still gives me crap about that. But that being said, um so Dave, so when with shows, especially at the young age, were you like nervous? Did you have to you know toss back what you are you I first started playing shows?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

I I wasn't drinking then. Um but then I was like a little bit older.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:11

I mean I was when you were legal. When you were legal? When I when I was 17, I don't think I was pounding beers before we played. I mean, I probably if we played a keg or in Poway or something, the Artisan Road or something, of course have a few beers. But no, I mean I was I I I maybe I was, maybe I was drinking a beer or two. I don't I I don't remember that. The nerves not get you to where you know, as I got into my twenties, yeah. I mean, we were playing and playing, I was I think I was playing better music, and so you know, yeah, all of a sudden you're taking a little more seriously, but then you're you're a little, you know, like getting a little more nervous, you know. Maybe the crowds are a little bit different, and so when you're in high school, you don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:49

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:50

You don't care, and all of a sudden you're a little bit older and you start kind of caring a little bit. Not that I was taking it like, oh, I'm gonna make money on this, but it was like I want to sound good. Right. Right. Um but yeah, I mean I never got too nervous playing. It was more it was the itch to get up there right the first or second.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

The anticipation of waiting to get on stage.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:10

I love playing live. Like if you put it if if anybody put a show together right now and said get good for nothing or whoever, I I would I would do it. We'll make it happen. I would do it on the city. We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it, we're gonna get Kill Me K to do a reunion. They haven't played since probably 2004. We'll get 20 years. Yeah. We'll get you. Uh and when I mean you, I mean Agent 51, pointing at Chris Arms right now, who's still hanging out.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:36

And we we're just gonna give him my own.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

Yeah, we're gonna do we're gonna do a big batch to celebrate, you know, this podcast, the Facebook group, and just you know, a place that changed our lives.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:48

We've been wanting to do that for some time, right? We're gonna make it happen. We'll since we saw you guys play at the Casbah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:55

That was a completely just out-of-control show. I just moved back from Nashville, had one practice in me, I think. No, you literally had gotten back into town like a day or two before the show. Before the show, I'm just like, all right, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:09

Muscle memory and I think nobody in that band was even in San Diego anymore, right? Everybody had to fly in from somewhere, except for Eric.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:16

Yeah. But um on that note, uh we'll we'll make that happen, and it's time to wrap up another episode of Union and Metro. And Dave, uh, you have any last words you want to say?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:29

Oh man, it's a blast. Good talking with you guys. Yeah, now I'm gonna go home and think of all these memories. Yeah, so thanks.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:35

Next week I'll be able to come back. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. We'll make a re reunion show happen for sure. Appreciate it. That's another episode of Union and Metro. I'm your new co host, Sue Lowe. Jared.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:49

And I'm Jerm.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

And we'll catch you later. That's a wrap.