Unreleased Episode : J.Michael Niotta W/ guest host Sulo King ( Union and Metro podcast )

This is a previously unreleased episode from the Union and Metro podcast . Because this is all working towards the San Diego Music Documentary I am going to be sharing all previously basemented conversations.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Might be the only person that knows. Call me Jeremiah. What is my middle name?

SPEAKER_00 0:06

King Jeremy.

SPEAKER_06 0:09

Christopher. That's your middle name? Yeah. It is. Chrissy. Chrissy. Little Chrissy. And that's actually pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

It's your fucking standbox.

SPEAKER_06 0:22

Okay. Now we're really digging into this. Welcome to the family, Sue. Are we recording yet?

SPEAKER_04 0:30

We are recording. This would be podcast 17.

SPEAKER_06 0:35

Okay. Let's do this. Welcome to the Union and Metro show. I'm Sulo. I'm Jair.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

I'm Jerm.

SPEAKER_06 0:43

And here we are. And our special guest on this episode is Jay Michael Niotto of the band Kill Me Kate. What's up, Jay?

SPEAKER_00 0:52

How's it going, guys? Welcome.

SPEAKER_06 0:53

Pretty good, man. It's been a long time since I've seen you. It's really good to see you, and I'm proud of uh, you know, your book releases and all your accomplishments.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

I appreciate that. Thank you. It has been a while.

SPEAKER_06 1:07

Um, so anyways, he brought in this old scrapbook that he's had for who knows how many years. You've probably been putting that together for like what?

SPEAKER_00 1:19

You know, I started the whole scrapbooking thing in high school, and I'm glad I did, because when you guys asked me in here, I was like, you guys want to talk about shit that ended like a quarter century ago, and I can't remember what I fucking ate yesterday. So I kind of just dug through the old scrapbooks and grabbed some pages out and put them in this thing here. And I've got some great pictures and flyers and stickers and patches and chicken scratch with all the different shows that we played over the years, and um it's really helped me. I think it's gonna be good for all the senior moments that are about to come.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

And this is how history books are written.

SPEAKER_04 1:56

Well, that's why we do this podcast, is to bring back the memories, so because we've we forgot probably ninety percent of this stuff, so at least true, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

And the funny thing is, even though I was there for literally all these moments. But were you really there? I don't think so. I mean, you guys all know. Half the time I was so stressed out, but no, it's the idea of a scrapbook to be able to reference off of makes like all the memories come out a lot easier. You know, and for me it's it's stuff that I've never gotten to see because you know it's so behind the scenes all the time. So, you know, what what speaking of, I'm taking Jerry's point on this, but what is your most memorable show at Soma that like that I played or that I went to? It just both yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I would say like top two shows that I went to that I can remember off the top of my head uh was my 18th birthday, and that was the Swingin' Uddders. I'd been listening to them for a while, it was the first time I got to see them play. AFI was on the bill, and they started out with something like Hutt 1, Hutt 2, fuck you. And they sounded very different than they do now, and I think locally we had um Swindle and JCC John Cougar concentration camp on the bill. Yeah, that was my 18th birthday, and that was that was an amazing show.

SPEAKER_04 3:21

And before there was an AFI show um Thursday, February 26th, with it was AFI headlining Ensign, Swindle, and the Neighbors.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Now this was November 3rd, probably 1995.

SPEAKER_04 3:36

Damn, he's coming out with dates.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Well, it was my birthday. It was my birthday. I turned 18.

SPEAKER_06 3:41

Yeah, I mean an 18th birthday is hard to forget, you know.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

And another one that really comes to mind is I think the headliner was um Mighty Mighty Boss Tones. You had face-to-face on there and Voodoo Glow Skulls.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

I think Total Chaos might have been on there. I'm not a big fan, but as soon as as Voodoo Glow Skulls went up there, they were like, We're the Voodoo Glow Skulls from Riverside, this song's called Dog Pile, and it was just fucking chaos from then on out. I think I might have even lost my wallet like floating during all the pit action and everything. So those are the two shows that really stood out that I went to as in high school.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 4:21

And um Kill Me Kate, we actually uh st played our very first show at Soma. So Soma was a really special place for us. Uh the three of the original members, we all went, we're native San Diegans. We went to the same junior high school, the same high school, Patrick Henry, and we actually started the band our senior year, and that's Mason Farnsworth, Floyd Soup, that was his handle back then, and you had John Homentoler, we call him uh Johnny Slug or John Hell and myself, and uh we started high school in '93, '94, and Solmon Metro opened up in '94. And so by the time we played our first show there in January of 1997, it was already like home. And what was really special about uh playing Soma was we'd been going to shows there since 1994. So our all of our throughout our high school years, we were going to shows there, and we played our very first show there. And it was like kind of one of our Kill Me Kate was a band where a lot of my childhood dreams really got to I got to see them actually come to life. Playing Soma and then like playing like 924 Gilman and and playing with bands like Social Distortion and Face to Face and whatnot. So Yeah. You can't really you can't really m mimic that or mirror that. I mean, we all do other bands in the future, but your first band, your high school band or whatever, we just get to do all this stuff. It's right.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

Yeah, and and you guys definitely stood out from like a lot of the bands that I saw at Selma come through there. You had this whole 50s swagger, and my father raised me on all the 50s vinyl, Sun Records, Chess Records collection, all that. And that's what I liked about you guys. You guys had that kind of rockabilly swagger to you guys.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Yeah, that that whole late 90s like um rockabilly revival flair kind of came into the mix, and you had undertones of it with bands like Social Distortion, they'd been around for a long time and they definitely influenced us. But I think when we really got our start, we were pretty limited on what we were doing because we were learning how to play our instruments, we were learning our own style, and we sounded more probably like Screechin' Weasel than anything else. And I think as we grew as musicians, uh we started to emulate bands like the Swingin' Udders and Face to Face, and definitely Jawbreaker. We had a darker edge to us. But yeah, there there was definitely the uh the the uh Murray's slick back pomade hair and the uh the really, really wide cuffs in the Levi's, the wife beaters, and that kind of thing. That was that was Kill Me Kate for sure. Definitely.

SPEAKER_06 7:03

And you guys you synced really well harmonically, vocally, had some real catchy tunes, and that's something that made a lasting impression on me. And I haven't heard a recording of Kill Me Kate in over 20 something years, and it still resonates with me today.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Oh, it makes me feel good to hear that.

SPEAKER_06 7:22

One question I've always been curious about, and I'm sure a lot of people out there have been, is how did Kill Me Kate come up with her name? My theory is from Dust till Dawn, in the scene where he's like, Kill me Kate, Kill Me Kate.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

And your theory would be right, and I think I the reason why you know that is because on the last song on our first album, it's really long and drawn out, and we actually sampled a clip.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

But uh yeah, from Dust Till Dawn came out like early in 1996, which was our senior year, the year the band came together. And we were all sitting around like a bunch of schmucks going, what the hell are we gonna name our band? We've got this show, right? At Selmo Booked, our first show. And we had to come up with a name, and I we were voting on some stupid shit like Dick Clark's rockin' rehab and the mofos, not even the the mofos, and I think it was Alan Kivitt. We were over at his place, and I think he was the one that's like, Oh yeah, because we've seen the movie. Yeah, yeah, there's this great scene in From Dust Till Dawn, you know, where like this kid gets fucking devoured by vampires, and uh, you know, he's calling out to his sister to kill him. So that is where we got the name from. And there's a lot of folks thought it was from that play, Kiss Me Kate.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Right, right. Yeah, I remember hearing that.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

There's actually a band that came out while we were around out in South Africa, and they might even still be around, and they were called Kill Me Kate. So it's almost like gonna be one of those blink 182 blink kind of situations. Like I reached out to him, like, hey, how are you? Fucking we've had the name longer.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

There's another one was Mayhem. There was a there's there's a metal band called Mayhem. Yeah, but then there was a local band, Mayhem, which is oh my god, again, my being old and too many course lights who need to sponsor us. Um I can't remember his name.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

I had their demo tape. They kind of had like a metal but almost like misfits. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 9:14

It was like an unpolished sort of thing. Um well, going along those lines, okay. Seriously need to refresh my memory here. Because I remember hanging out, I remember the name. I know we have a ton of mutual people, you know, friends, but how did I end up booking you guys?

SPEAKER_00 9:33

I d I don't even it you know it probably through just mutual friends. I mean, we hung out with some some older folks, older folks, they're only like a year or two older than us, older folks, but you know, like Pirate Pete, you know, had Pete's comp.

SPEAKER_06 9:48

Yeah, he was comp, I still have that one.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

And Kill Me Kate, we we all hung out in addition to hanging out at Soma, we all hung out at Punk Rock Denny's. Right, right, right. Right over by Grossman College, and and you'd see like Chris Fields from John Cougar and Spaz Boy. And our first drummer, actually, first drummer, Steve Smith, wasn't Spazboy. So it's probably through that connection. We met him there and and we kind of stole him for a little bit from Spaz Boy and That's crazy 'cause they That's probably how we got into the venue.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Yeah, because I'm and I'm trying to remember, but I mean literally we have so many people in common as far as you know, friends and acquaintances and everything, even going back to Chris Fields, which everyone knows my origin story that's short lived. You know, I started pseudo-managing them, supposedly, with with the other bands, but that's that's my origin. And um so that's kind of like the East County, but by that point it had spread out so much to where I just I'm trying to re like remember like all the people back then other than Music Trader, which by the time I started doing that flyer route, that so many people were involved with Music Trader. That kind of really opened the door and some bands kind of came out of that, or am I remembering right, or uh you know should I give it that much emphasis?

SPEAKER_00 11:17

No, I think you are probably less for us on Music Trader end of things. Um more probably with with punk rock Denny's I'd say, and just the friendships there. I think maybe some of the folks we hung out with did work there.

SPEAKER_06 11:31

Punk rock Denny's. I haven't heard anyone mention that since probably 2000. And we even had the song going down.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

I still point at it when I drive Denny's. We had that hilarious, stupid song going down to Denny's.

SPEAKER_06 11:42

So that's like uh Notice had that song uh Carlos Murphy's like Escondido. Oh, they mention it in the song Escondido, but they used to be Escondido.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

Escondido. Yeah. I like Carlos Murphy's. Is it still around?

SPEAKER_06 11:56

No, that's been gone since the nine, I want to say the nineties. Carlos Murphy's late nineties, something like that. But um we still have Chris Arms in the house. Uh he was featured on our last episode, and I'd like to bring him up here and you know, talk to Justin and talk about some of the old memories and shows from back in the day that you guys played together. Salute. So Chris Chris and and and Jay haven't seen each other and I don't know the last time I saw you, man, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

A long time. We played a lot of shows together, mostly I think at Soma in the early early time of I think the second and third show that we played there was with you. And I know we did a mainstage show with you guys as well.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

I remember we get home from those shows and like your clothes would be sweaty. The smell of soma would be on you. Let's let's let's talk about the smell of soma for a second. It's a mixture of concrete, human sweat, um farts, and cigarette smoke, depression, defeat, um urine, and the sound of drums in your head. Just like the dun, dun, dun, your ears are ringing, that punk rock beat, and uh you just could not sleep. And I Germ, you're yes, Germ, you having to deal with that every night, I'm sure that um for you that was probably a thing, you know. Just how do you get that drumbeat out of your head?

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Well, to be honest, it just realistically it became like an incense. It's so it just granted it when we get into the more humid times like we are now this time of the year, so when the the ceiling's dripping and it smells like serious rank ass, it was nothing compared to Union Street. But I mean that's you know, you you get to know what works and you become so much in the rhythm that when it's not there, it's it's like how you hear your heartbeat all the time, you know? When you don't hear that, that's when you start to worry. You know, so for me, that was my whole life blood to do it, was because it wasn't for the money, obviously, because I wasn't driving around in a Porsche and and um a few times doing it I was I was homeless. But it's just the friendships that you make, the um the camaraderie that you make, and the absolute smell. So when I cleaned the bathrooms well, then I really had a good idea that they were clean because it didn't smell like soma, gray metal, weird paint, and and a frickin' locker room from the devil's frickin' soccer team or whatever. Yeah, it was it yeah, it was god-awful. And I really wish I didn't have to remember this. But yeah, so I'm I'm gonna give it back to you because you completely opened up a can of worms that needs to be closed, so it's you know, Chris seriously smells and sounds on it. Yeah, no, seriously, it was. I mean, if there was something abnormal, you know, I could smell smoke over all that if something was going on with the electrical, so I knew I had to go and look at the breaker box. Or I could smell weed over all that. You know, I'd have to look in my backstage to make sure what was going on. Like, you know, when Perry Pharrell showed up and he shows up in his limousine and I'm chasing around with the wine bottle, I'm smelling the wine, going, Oh my god, I need a glass of wine. But you become so in tune, so if something's out of it, then that's that's when it's time to worry.

SPEAKER_03 15:46

You know, I I gotta give you so much credit for just doing that night after night. But it's kind of like for you, it's probably like being an acrobat. You're standing there walking the high wire, but after after a while you just get used to it. You get used to to looking down and then not you're not really worrying about the fall. But you know, Justin, you can speak to this, like those shows, you just come home a wreck with that drumbeat in your head.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Yeah, no, I have tenis, uh and I'm sure like most of you do as well from playing in in bands over the years and um what?

SPEAKER_06 16:18

Yeah, you definitely I still have your old Agent 51 shirt. That's like one of the only band shirts from that era that I still have, and I think it's still is reminiscent because it's got this level of funk. I just can't as many times as I wash it, I can't get it out. So it's like a lasting, you know, like smell of stoma. It's probably got stomach DNA trapped in there.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Yeah, and like it's as hard as this is to talk about, there is a level of nostalgia there. You know, it's like the first gold that broke your heart. Yeah, you know, that that funky smell of soma. I would give anything to smell that right now.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Keep your pants on here.

SPEAKER_06 17:00

He's he's at that beanie like we said on the last episode. Actually, we I don't think we said that on record. So the the exploited patch you have on your beanie, Jeremy, how long have you had that for?

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Um so the the patch may may go back to 87, um at least 88. Uh but the beanie is what I wore prior to Soma. And anyone that's seen me on the side stage or you know uh backstage by the monitor board, I've been wearing this since I started doing shows there in '89. And um what really would stink Chris would be would literally be my um my original leather jacket. And and that thing is I still have it stand up on its own, probably. Oh my god. You know, well, as you guys know, when I was living in in OB, um I had a mildew problem, so I lost a bunch of my docks and my leather jacket. I mean it had green mold all over it, but luckily I paint in latex, so the jacket's fine, but it you know, it's punk rock, so it doesn't, you know, quotation marks. But um, no, that thing, that thing definitely has a smell of of uh soma back in the day. It's um yeah, it's kind of it's a distinct smell, but the union to metro smell are two completely different smells.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

My nose isn't that old. I was just a metro kid, so yeah, same here.

SPEAKER_06 18:23

I was just a metro kid myself. Yeah. I started 94 going to shows.

SPEAKER_04 18:29

Yeah. But hey, uh, you know, I went to shows at Union. Chris went to shows at Union. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

So you're that old, Chris.

SPEAKER_05 18:38

Well, it was all ages.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

So the union smell was like was a lot like the metro smell, but you're breathing in the humidity of other people's sweat. You were literally breathing it in.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

Actually, actually, I thought union smelled like blood. That's probably true too.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Blood and coffee. See, that's back back then too. It's it's the craziest thing, because I had coffee this morning, so I was I was wired. I was gonna repaint the house. Because my wife's like, oh, I brought this coffee, so I had some coffee, and I just oh my god. But um back then, you know, the the lifestyle for me back then was to I didn't really have a job, so I was just kind of booking shows and then whatever money I got. So, you know, we would open up the club, god what the doors were at eight. So by 8 30, I have a cup of coffee. And you know, we would close down at back in Union Street, so we're talking the early days. We would probably start closing down around 11 30. I'd be still wired out from coffee. That's the reason why I was endorsed not by their fruition, but just because Coors Light, so I was drinking Coors Light, so I smelled like Coors Light and Coffee. And I I fucking stunk. Because I was so wired out from drinking coffee, and Lynn had this rocket fuel crap. And you know, you're you're drinking it out of the cup, and it's just sludging out of your fucking cup, so I'm like, oh well, I guess it's my new lifestyle. I'm gonna be wired to the bone. But it helped when booking shows because I'd be so wired out that Silas and I would sit there and listen to tapes for hours and go, okay, this band will work with this band, and this band will work with this band.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

And I don't I don't remember the smell. I remember getting home afterwards, and my head would be ringing, and I'd have to like peel my shirt off me because it was just like drenched in sweat, and you'd have to like stretch it over your head.

SPEAKER_06 20:25

You could literally wring the sweat out.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Totally. Um you guys were talking about memorable shows. Another one came to mind, and and it was definitely one of those ring your shirt out afterward nights. It was the side stage that shouldn't have been a side stage, and it was a swinging udders and the queers. And I definitely remember like the fire department showed up because there was too many people there, something something like that. And I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Did we have to open the main stage? Is that what happened where the wall came down and everybody went out to the floor?

SPEAKER_00 20:54

I think they did open it up and some bodies went over there until like the the the guys in uniform kind of left out and then.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

I think the Deft Tones was like that, and I think Millicollen was like that as well. Where we had opened stuff up, it just got a little crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Yeah, the swinging udders, whenever they played the side stage, it was a little crazy. I remember seeing them with Civ there too.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

That was on the main stage. No, that was that was a side stage show. I think I remember that one. That was the main stage.

SPEAKER_00 21:22

That was a different show. They did a side stage. I remember Max Huber had this red, white, blue fucking um Mohawk up and it was watching the fucking ceiling and shit. That shit was so high. But yeah, every time we're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

That's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

There was like just so many people whenever the udders played. We had we had a really good relationship with them. We played with them on the side stage and we played with them on the main stage, but we would hang out with them after the show. We'd go over to LiveWire and we drink beers with them and like Greg McAtee, he's he's sober now. Um their drummer. But we used to like pick up on chicks and Hang out at the bar, and whenever they would come down and play, they'd crash on our floors. And I know the last uh tour that Kill Me K did, we brought PBR Street Gang along with us, and that was uh 2000, 2001. And they they were all like 17, 18. I think maybe Jordan was 19. And we stayed at Greg McInty's flat and the tenderloin over over the over this uh liquor store, and we had all the kids like drinking in the bars in San Francisco when they were like 19, 18 years old.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

So Jordan's uh Jordan uh Ace Von Johnson of PBR Strinking, he's the uh guitar player for LA Guns now. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah, he played for uh Dwayne Peters Gun First. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

I thought it was a faster pussycat. Both.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

Oh, he plays both. I didn't know he was in PBR Streeting. Yeah, he was the front man. So that's Jordan. So hey, hey. I only know him by ace. Yeah. So I met him when I worked at Keynes back in 2000. He used to be in Madcap as well. Yeah.

unknown 22:55

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

So here, here here's the tie-in with that. So we used to play with the Udders, and then Soma was shutting down, and Epicenter was kind of where a lot of the all ages moved to. And we go to see the swinging udders there and who's opening but this this this group, PBR Street Gang, these little kids. And we kind of made friends with them after the show, and um and after we played our la we did that tour with them, we played our last show after we got home. It was like January of 2001. Uh Robbie actually started playing second guitar for them. He joined that band after Oh, okay. Yeah, Jordan Geordie LaFour.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Who was booking who was booking the epicenter at that time?

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Ooh, that I don't know. We we played times.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Wasn't it Pebb's?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 23:39

During that Pebbs, yeah, Pebb was Pebbs and his wife was running that episode. That's what I thought, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

So Soma closed in 99, right around the time that that I was 21, and we were doing the moving into the whole bar scene, and we were trying to be, I think, the next ever ready in the fact that we would get drunk before every show at at that point in our in our in our really short career.

SPEAKER_01 24:00

So you sure you weren't trying to be like me and my band?

SPEAKER_00 24:05

So no, I don't know who was booking it back then over the epicenter, but we played some really fun shows there. Like uh we were on the news one time, I think it was for Ron's Ron's birthday. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Was Ron working there?

unknown 24:18

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

He had his birthday. Or he did his own birthday show. Yeah. Yeah. And the news, the news like was talking to us, and I remember that, seeing myself on TV going, ah, this is funny.

SPEAKER_04 24:27

I did a couple under Golden Voice, I did a couple shows at the epicenter. Um I did I was not a fan of the epicenter though. It was just the load in, there was really nowhere to stage your gear. It was just it was all glass.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Um Yeah, I remember they didn't have like a backstage, you would just walk it through like part to see like Moses. Like, yeah, I was supposed to decide.

SPEAKER_04 24:49

I was supposed to do the business there, and I'm like, nah, stuff is gonna get broke. Ain't gonna happen. Yeah. So cancelled that show. I was also supposed to do uh Jell O Biafra show, uh Talking Words show at Metro, and I said no. Yeah, who's who wants to stand who wants to stand there and and listen to Jell-O talk?

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Well, when we did um I don't know if any of you guys remember this, but we had um oh my god, uh Jim Rose. Shout out, Jim Rose. Hey, um but uh Jim Rose did his sideshow circus there, and then um if I remember correctly, Eddie's wife, Eddie Vetter, Hovercraft Pro Jam, yeah, Hovercraft opened up and then they did Eddie was playing drums. Because remember, you know, I have that picture of um well that's that's the one where I I think I already told the story, but so Eddie Veter Vetter's out there with Otis O, we all know him as O. Fluff, yeah. And um, they're sitting out back, I believe it was this show. And O was sitting in my chair, the rare time that had a chair out back, and I I looked at him, I just thought, you know, fucking Santa Claus over here. So I sat on his lap and Eddie's right there, and I'm like, I want a fucking Vivi gun, I want a skateboard, and and probably a soccer ball, knowing me. And um both he and Eddie looked at me like, you know, who the fuck are you? And I looked at him like, Well, then get the fuck out of my house. You know, what what the hell? I thought I was being funny. But um that's just I'm sidetracked because it's a long story. Um because I still ride skateboards and like soccer. Um but when we did the Jim Rose Sideshow Circus, people were they kind of knew what they were gonna get into, you know. But it wasn't it wasn't anything like what we were doing. Every time like we would do a rave, it wasn't wasn't what Soma's known for. So to do a spoken word, I've seen Jell-O speak, and I like it, but it's it's not what does it have to do with music? What does it have to do with live bands?

SPEAKER_04 26:46

That wasn't the place for it. And then the Golden Voice was like, hey, let's get some beanbags so we can sit beanbags down. Down in Devilist, you know.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

I think the weirdest show I went to there was uh Mr. Bungle with Meltz Banana. I was in high school. Oh, the Meltz Banana was two noise bands stage all noise.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

Yeah. I mean, that's just not a formula that I mean I appreciated it. Daisy Chainsaw at um Union Street was amazing to me. Um, but I'm also the one that I fought Silas. Again, Silas keeps being brought up, but I fought Silas on, he's like, let's do the Dead Milkman. Let's do the Dead Milkman, which was a huge, huge show for us. And I'm like, no, I don't I don't think it'll do any good. And it ended up being really well. So I didn't, you know, I didn't know exactly the formula that would work, but later in the day I knew spoken word and some of these things were were not gonna frickin' work. In our setting. I mean that's what the colleges are for.

SPEAKER_00 27:47

Yeah, it's more coffee shop, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

That's that's the exact reason why again um I didn't book Jewel because we so she was supposed to play there a couple times.

SPEAKER_04 27:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Well Wesley Willis would have been fun, but that is more in tune with I think he played the Casbah.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

Yeah, we since in 77 when I was did Since in 77, um when I s yeah it's a long story, but uh when I was original guy, um we played with them at the Casbah, but again, you know, that was something a little bit you need to be drinking, you need to have a good time. It's you get 150 people and it's a great show, but you're trying to pack a thousand person arena or more, uh no, it's it's not it's not gonna fly.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Yeah, we were we were more like Kilme Kate was more of a side stage band. I think we only played the main stage like three times.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

Who do you play with on those shows?

SPEAKER_00 28:40

So that I remember our first one because you had to earn that shit, right? You had to get like what the door. So on our we'd always Mason and I we we we like to make flyers like he does he still does art, I still do art, he still does like woodworking, and I I do like mix of media art. So we both make our own flyers and for the shows. And um Yeah, so we'd always put on the flyers like, oh, say Kill me cade at the door, get a sticker, get a button, or whatever it was. And I want to say maybe it was either the swing outer show or um Goodrins that we we got a hundred folks and they're like, Hey, uh, do you wanna play with the Bloodhound gang? And we're like, No. That was a weird show. Yeah. They're like, hey, do you wanna play with face-to-face? And we're like, fuck yeah. And and I remember going out there because it was like the best night and the worst fucking night for me, because hey, I was playing with this band that was very influential for me that I'd gone to see I don't know how many times in high school, and they influenced the way I wrote and everything. And so that was awesome. And uh either en route to the show or once I got there, someone stole my bass. And we're not talking about like an epiphone or a fender P or anything. It was a 1970s Gibson ripper. We're talking about some gene Simmons shit that probably goes for like 1300, 1400 bucks today. Easy. Someone stole that. So that was a bummer. I ended up borrowing somebody's Ricky, I don't know who. Beautiful bass, so someone let me borrow it, but if I got that pick guard like right where I like to kind of grind, and so it was a pain in the ass. But um, I remember Len introducing us before we came out there. We were all backstage waiting, you know, you're a little anxious because it's a lot bigger stage, and he's like, I know uh the next unwritten law, and we're all like looking at each other going like, what the fuck? But it was pretty funny. It was a noisin too.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 30:44

But yeah, no, that that was our first and then I know we played with with Chris, we played with you guys in some like SummerSlam um mainstage show with with like Gimp or whoever else was on there. And then the only other I think the last time we played a main stage was with Swingin' Udders and maybe Youth Brigade and One Man Army, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

Yeah, I miss those days. Like the bands that knew they were gonna be on a bill together, they would collectively promote the show. Right. They would get together and uh it's not like today where you just put a Facebook post up and you just kind of walk away. We had to really get on our skateboards and go staple flyer to a telephone pole.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

He had SD Punk Board or something that came out like, was that 99, 2000, right around in there? When did that thing come together? On the internet, the San Diego punk board or something. I don't know. I remember that.

SPEAKER_06 31:42

I used to use that for the classified ads to find uh band members.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah, yeah, and you didn't know who anyone was, so you just talk shit to each other.

SPEAKER_04 31:48

I don't know pretty much I don't think I even knew how to work with a computer at that at that time frame.

SPEAKER_06 31:54

Yeah. Well, you pick up a reader back in those days still to find out you know, like what shows are are at what venues and whatnot. And a lot of people still have those clippings we've been seeing on the uh Facebook group.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Yeah. I still have old unwritten law flyers that were pasted up. Dave Dave O'Reilly's here. Yeah. Um, Dave, you can speak to this. Everyone's got a Wade story. You've probably seen Wade Yeoman skateboarding around Powway uh pasting up flyers with the cornstarch. This was back when like we were playing show shows, so you know, just something so analog about that time.

SPEAKER_04 32:27

Well, the other the other good thing about back then was we didn't have you know, yeah, the social media would there wasn't uh there wasn't downloading music, so most of uh the shows were promoted at the mini, mini music outlets like uh CD Warehouse or Music Trader, Lose Records, Off the Record, Blue Mini, Tang, Tang. So all our flowers would be up in all those windows at those at those stores.

SPEAKER_06 32:56

Oh, that's right, Slam magazine, and then uh uh that was what City Beat put that out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Is that Wade from Unwritten Law?

SPEAKER_04 33:06

Where?

SPEAKER_06 33:07

What?

SPEAKER_00 33:07

No, who who who walked in?

SPEAKER_04 33:09

What?

SPEAKER_00 33:11

No, no, no, no, no. Dave.

SPEAKER_05 33:13

No, you know if that would be Wade. Yeah, you know if it was Wade. He would have already grabbed the mic out of one of our hands.

SPEAKER_04 33:21

He'd have walked in here with a floor. He would have walked in here with an alien head on or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 33:26

Yeah. Or talking about uh uh uh who's he obsessed with? Um Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

No, no, we used to go see them a lot. Blink and Unwritten Law, like in high school were really influential bands for me, and I used to get teased by like the jocks wearing like Blink shirts in like 11th grade and everything like that. Jocks. Yeah, jocks, you know, that a whole lot Let's talk about jocks for a second.

SPEAKER_06 33:52

Chris, I'd like to hear your sentiments on this.

SPEAKER_03 33:56

You want to hear my sentiments on jocks?

SPEAKER_06 33:58

Yeah, like jock straps? No, like like that's what I was talking about.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

We can get into that too, but uh There was a couple bands that wore those on Space.

SPEAKER_06 34:06

If you really want to get weird, you know. But no, but uh did you ever get picked on by athletes, jocks, you know, the not really football players, cool kids.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Not really. I remember 92. You know you were I was just a nerdy skater kid, shy skater kid. And this I remember 1992, offspring, green day, all these bands were blown up. That summer, all those jocks that wore their football gear to school, they all had gone to Soma and saw a Pennywise show or a Green Day show, and by the summer of '93, they all came to school wearing those t-shirts. And that was just the weirdest thing I've ever seen. There was a definite tectonic shift happening. That's what I can speak to about jocks. They no longer picked on the punk rock kids after that.

SPEAKER_06 34:58

Uh well at Pow A High. Okay, maybe at Poway High. I'd see.

SPEAKER_01 35:05

I remember seeing that myself because still to this day I I I coin them as jocks because when I was growing up, when the dinosaurs were roaming the earth, um I still but I I see anyone I'm I'm not a sports guy. You know, I still frickin' write skateboards. And the jocks were a problem, but in the early days it was the skinheads. So we just call them jocks because they were assholes. Right. You know, because the sports guys didn't like the punk rockers and they didn't like the new way, whatever you call it.

SPEAKER_06 35:34

So it was just like a nice label. SLC Punk summarized the the whole hierarchy, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

Oh, yeah, and shout out to Wolf Chase that did this SLC Punk, um, both of them. Um but yeah, I remember I remember noticing that especially in you know the early nineties, it seemed like there was uh this communal shift whereas more acceptance of punk rock. Right. You know, so there wasn't as much division. So that to me is you know, it's it's kind of realistically it's it's striking the memory and I'm trying to like really grab onto it because it it was weird. It wasn't the same when I was a kid. You know, in the seventies it was definitely fucking different.

SPEAKER_06 36:17

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

The eighties it was different. I mean we had metal heads and we had punks, and then that that started to combine and I'm like, oh. So I'm listening to Venom, but I'm also listening to Black Flag. Alright. And then my band, my first real band, Poor, we you know, it was damnation. It was a full on death metal just they're establishes a death metal band, then they bring me in. I'm screaming out, and I remember Cliff from Social Spit telling me, Well, don't use an English accent. And I th I thought, Well, alright, Cliff, that's I'm influenced by English punk and that's what I sound like, but uh well even like bands from the Bay Area, like you you think of like early Green Day Sawbreaker, and like it's it it it's there. I didn't pa I didn't pass that on to Billy Joe when I first started booking them, bringing them down to San Diego. I didn't say, hey, I was told to not sing with an English accent. Well, you know, LCOM.

SPEAKER_06 37:15

They made fun of that too, and that scene with Matthew Lillard talking about punk rock. Shout out to uh my buddy James Marandino, by the way. So hey James. He yeah, uh for those of you that don't know, he's a guy that wrote SLC Punk and it was loosely based on his life. Yeah. So I'm okay. I know to remember.

SPEAKER_04 37:36

I'm like SLC Punk.

SPEAKER_06 37:39

Yeah, and they actually did a follow-up sequel that wasn't as well received. Um Punk's Dead, uh SLC Dead. SLC2.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

Punk's Punk's Dead. Yeah, we we have the the we donated to that to the GoFundMe, and we have we have the wrist band.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

And if you guys are gonna be doing shout-outs to uh SLC Punk, I'll do a shout-out to my bros and the suicide machines who recorded a song on that soundtrack. That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Never never promise you a rose garden.

SPEAKER_06 38:04

And we'll have uh we'll have uh the singer of that band on here in a future episode.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

So it's kind of a shout-out just to let him know that he's being called out.

SPEAKER_06 38:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Gotta come to the haunted hell.

SPEAKER_06 38:17

Sulo's telling you now that you're you're welcome to come on the show. But uh no, I met him once through Jair. And uh nicest guy in the world, man, and quite the entertainer. Like suicide machines just bring it. And I remember early shows at Soma checking them out. My sister was more into suicide machines than I was. I wasn't that much into Ska Punk. Uh, then she got me into like Less than Jake, Suicide Machines, bands like that.

SPEAKER_00 38:40

And I I remember playing with Less than Jake at Street Scene, and they were dicks.

SPEAKER_06 38:46

Yeah, yeah. Uh that's not the first time I've heard that. Yeah. Um, but let's go back to you for a second um about Kill My Sorry, Kill Me Kate. You guys were only a band for about four years, is that right?

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Yeah, it and uh we had a lot of member changes. We played Soma probably uh I have in my notes here we played at least 15 times there during that three years when we first played our first show there to when you guys closed your doors. And I think we would probably would have played more, but we had so many member changes that you had you take it takes time to get someone spun up. And in all, if you count like Rick Stojak, who sat in on drums, we had 12 people in the band, and I was the only person that did the band the entire time.

SPEAKER_06 39:33

That's like me. I've been doing authentic sellout 15 years, and I'm the only person that's been in the band the entire time. Fifteen years. The funny part is it started out as a one gig joke and it just kind of evolved into okay, let's do another one, huh? And uh, you know, fun fact authentically. Fun fact, uh, it was just like you. I had to come up with a name to do the show. Right. And I'm like, oh god, band names are the worst trying to come up with. And people start behind my back calling me a sellout. They're like, oh, Sulo's gonna get on all the rad shows, and da da da da, you know, he thinks his shit doesn't stink. And I was like, all right, I like that sell out. And every rendition was taken, taken, taken, taken. I didn't need any cease and desists. Uh, because I kind of had a feeling in the back of my mind this wasn't only gonna be one show.

SPEAKER_00 40:20

Authentic sellout, 182.

SPEAKER_06 40:22

Going back to our era, I uh after eight pages of Google searching, I found an old Angel Fire site that's still up. It's called the Punk Band Name Generator. So it operates as a slot machine. You put in one word and it revolves different words, and they were all stupid. And then it put authentic and sell it together, and I was like, that's it. It's oxymoron, and and our whole shtick was making fun of the industry and other bands, like how they're coming in there with their shit don't thinking their shit doesn't stink and that they're more about you know theatrics and showing off than they are musicianship. And then in you know, you just calling me my band. I think Chris has something to say.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Just just to speak to that for a second, like you know, you we all started, we all start out doing this for fun, and sometimes the dream is to quote unquote make it, but it's a different reality when your band becomes a business, right? Like a totally tectonic shift happens. And there's something really beautiful about a band that's just doing it for the love, right? And I I kind of got to see a little bit of that arc in my band when I got signed to a label. It's like, oh shit, this is a business now. And I feel like something got lost there, you know, because you got business to worry about. Basically, you're not hungry anymore. You're not hungry anymore, it's not coming from the heart. You're using another part of your brain to figure out what is publishing? Right. What are royalties? You're not thinking about this when you pick up a base.

SPEAKER_06 41:52

The dream is I just want to get signed, and then you have no idea what comes with that.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Someone's assigning you a lawyer to read over this contract, and you're looking at you're looking at it, and it looks like Greek. You don't know what this stuff means.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

It's not just one lawyer, it's multiple lawyers.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

It's multiple lawyers, and you look at this contract after you've been screwed over, and you're like, oh well, now that I'm 45, I know what that means.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

Well, were you on cargo?

SPEAKER_05 42:16

I'll I'll leave it right. Shout out to Cargo Records.

SPEAKER_01 42:19

Well, the funny thing about all that no one's gonna come after me for that. Well, it was you guys were on alpha books. It's the truth. So but but that's the thing about the whole the the whole scene when I'm originally started doing it, I didn't know any of this either. So the idea of the whole science of how I started booking shows was completely just by what I figured it should be. And luckily the the Imperiator lord of all that is great and holy, or whatever we want to fucking say. A UFO just came through my house. Um, it's just I didn't know, but yeah, that's that's the thing. Like when I was trying to work with these bands, I was trying to teach everyone how to do all these things. Because, you know, here I am a frickin' pierced up tattooed, you know, creeper wearing, dock wearing punk rocker telling you this is a business. If you want to make it, you have to do this. You have to bring in so many people, and then you can play the main stage, and then you have to deal with Len, and then you go into a completely different world of shit. If you want to just be like my bands and play in front of 30 people, then you know, just stay like this. But if you want to make a career out of it, you have to do all these things. Right. But that's why I never did it. That's why I never toured. That's why I didn't play any good gigs. We played with fear, and that was it.

SPEAKER_06 43:40

Yeah, I've been doing this band fifteen years. I couldn't find a band member to even go on the road for longer than a week.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

I can't even find one to make me dinner. Yeah. So I there's no money there. No, I know. Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 43:50

Yeah, and I I've had musicians that are are more session players or and are like, You've been doing this fifteen years, and how come you're still doing it if you're Making any money, I was like, because it's my motto is always never love, it's in your blood. My motto is when the fun goes away, there's no need to play. That's my whole thing since the beginning. Because I was so jaded being on the business side of things, you have a whole different perspective of being a musician. And I remember even telling Dave Mustaine a Megadeth when I was 20 years old, I had a rare opportunity to meet him. Uh that's a funny story. He was uh doing it, no, he was doing an MLM uh presentation, and my buddy was no, they did play Metro. Yeah, but this is Dave Mustaine in a suit. How many people have seen that side of him? Trying to sell you on a pyramid scheme. Um Wow. Anyways, I get pulled into his little makeshift office here in San Diego, and uh he's like, I understand that uh you wanted to be a promoter, and uh why is that? I understand you're a musician. Why don't you just you know do that and be in a band? And I was like, Because I want to make a difference, and what better to have one of your own already in the system making a difference, not DIY throwing shows, working at a venue and having that kind of opportunity like you guys did. You know what I mean? And he was really taken back, and there was a moment where he hesitated and he was like, You could tell he's processing what the fuck. He's like, This motherfucker just like called me out, called me out, and he's like, you know what? Go out there and do it. And I did. Yeah, you know, and I have no regrets. You know, I made my mistakes over time. I was young, I got talked down to, treated differently. I had people like Harlan Schiffman that saw the potential in me, Big Vinny, take me under their wing and teach me like so many amazing things, and all the different bands coming through that have told me like all the different horror stories. Like you mentioned Cherry Poppin' Daddies, I think it was on the last episode. Uh the bass player. I every time I wear a TSOL shirt, it's like a conversation piece. And he he started telling me a story. He's like, Remember the band Real Big Fish? I was like, Yeah. He's like, Well, you know, a lot of people think that we were just part of that whole swing revival, and that's not true. We're a multi-genre rock band, and you'll see that tonight. And I was like, Yeah, I was really, you know, taken back when your agent pitched you guys as a multi-genre rock band, and then I listened to your catalog, and I was like, wow, you guys could play pretty much anything. Yeah. And anyways, you know, my whole his whole point to the story was so don't do your friends favors because the label we were on took real big fish, saw them as a more markable flagship, and we got dropped, and we were left as a one-hit wonder and known forever as a swing band. You know, so it's little stories and and memories like that over time that I've taken, and you know, now I'm not running nightclubs anymore. I don't own a recording studio anymore. I'm in a whole different career, still doing the band thing, but I'm still just doing it for the fun of it. I'm here today and I'm honored to be the new co-host on the show, talking about the old memories, because I music is my life. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it it'll always have a special place in all of our hearts.

SPEAKER_00 47:06

I can tell you, having been away from playing music for a while, I think the last time I was on stage was with Rip Carson up in um LA, like Burbank or something, and before that I was playing upright bass for Heartful Hearts. Um we did a European tour, Southwest tour, and played a lot of shows and um had a good time. Um I really miss being on stage. It's been like, I don't know, eight, nine years since I've been on stage.

SPEAKER_06 47:36

I was gonna get to that question.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

I don't miss the drama of being stuck in a vehicle with uh a couple of guys, you know, some it's like it's your your wife's training for being married what it is, what I found out. Like but you're not married to one person, you're married to one two, three, four. No, no, no. My wife, if you're listening, is a is a goddess, an angel. She's wonderful. I love her, baby. Don't kill me. You guys have been together for a long time.

SPEAKER_06 48:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I met your wife a couple times. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

We got a a a little one as well, my son, uh Dylan. He's he's six. Shout out to Dylan. Yeah, yeah. We were uh playing uh Toy Story, Monopoly, and building Pillow Forts before we came here. So that's awesome. Yeah. So life's very different now, I will say that. I do miss being on stage, but I don't miss the drama.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

Well, that's the thing when you're younger, you can you can put up with it because it's so new and it's so fresh, and you just you kind of accept everything. Yeah. But you know, me in my early 50s, uh I still don't want to be on the road. Yeah. But I miss being on stage, but you know, once eight o'clock hits, I'm like, well, you know, it's late, I gotta get up at 4 30 in the morning, rock out. You know, I'll I'll be dreaming and I'll be awake at three and I'll get out of bed at 4 30 to go mow some lawns. But to be that being said, I completely miss every part of of I miss being on stage. I miss performing, and that's why another thing with this podcast is to be able to have jam sessions here so we can just go in the next room over and jam out and just fuck around and you know, see what hauntings come in the house and and write some music. Because it's still in my blood. It's just I d I can't do it for a living. I've never and that's why I never toured. That's why I just stayed at the club trying to book local bands.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

A lot better experience touring Europe than touring Well, I toured the southwest and and with Kill Me Kate, all we did, we did like three little mini tours up to past the Bay Area and back. Um other bands I went further out there, but doing Europe, just the way you're treated by the venue and the people there. I mean, we had people doing our laundry for us, making us dinner, showing us around town. I mean, I'm not sure. Usually you go on the road in the states, here's your two drink tickets.

SPEAKER_04 49:59

Yeah, here's our accommodating overseas. Here's our five dollars to go get your dinner.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

And we recommend McDonald's because they're seven dollars. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_06 50:11

I always tried to be as accommodating as I I could back in my era, you know, doing break by break and jumping turtle. And we did the same at SOMO. And you guys did too.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Well, yeah, to me, it was definitely in the early days. Even if we hated them.

SPEAKER_06 50:28

It was a family sportive community that you guys had established. And you passed the torch off to each other, yeah. And that influenced me to do what I did, you know, and it's just amazing.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

But you know, full disclosure, we we were not great. The the I think my greatest point was when I was talking with um Colin, um GBH's manager, and I said, you know, I still have like another hundred and fifty bucks. What what food do you guys want to do? And he goes, uh, let's get us a bunch of liquor. And I went, Alright, well, I'm going back to Smart and Final and I'm gonna spend another hundred and fifty. I think I got him like just under five hundred dollars worth of beer and liquor. And you know, I was I think I was twenty-two at the time. So, you know, I fit in at at that club, at that time I fit in. They're just like, Oh, he's gonna take it to a shopping cart. We'll see him tomorrow. $150 worth of liquor. But, you know, back at that time I remember seeing a writer and and um some rock band out of LA, they wanted clean socks and condoms. I was like, fuck you, wash your own fucking socks and get your own goddamn condoms.

SPEAKER_06 51:33

Can we start on writers? I didn't was that that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:39

It was great. Um but no, I didn't really understand that. So all that kind of I mean, realistically, I mean we're going from a guy that's I'm practically homeless. I was living I had a camper cell in my dad's garage, because luckily he let me live there for a while. And then um I would just kind of couch surf wherever as I was starting this, and like I said, during a lot of the early days of Soma, I I was homeless. I would have a place as a girlfriend, had to move for whatever, she didn't want me anymore. So it was rough, but the the writer thing it kind of grew as things went on and on. So it was all I'm glad to see the people picked up the torch and made it more comparable for the bands. But it was all a learning experience, especially in the early days. Oh, definitely, man.

SPEAKER_06 52:24

And you know, like being young and being th throwing yourself in the fire, like you have to keep up or yeah, like for example, I've seen a lot of people not last very long. And even people I've tried to bring in underneath me because they couldn't hang. You have to learn from your mistakes because you have to you have to be willing to not let you know your past mistakes haunt you. Exactly. And a lot of people get frustrated and just throw in the towel. But hey, we're running short on time. So uh, real quick, let's wrap up with uh Justin. I had one last question for you about Kill Me Kate.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

We'll see.

SPEAKER_06 52:58

Why did Kill Me Kate end? And will Kill Me Kate actually two questions, and will Kill Me Kate be open to a reunion show one day?

SPEAKER_00 53:05

Well, shit, if we did a reunion show, who would I pick to play? I think we had like five drummers.

SPEAKER_06 53:10

Out of the 12 band members, he brings up everybody on stage with him, former members. Yeah, that would be an amazing thing. Well, Agent 51, Kill Me Kate reunion show together for the next one.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

The big thing would be would it be Steve Smith from Spaz Boy, or would it be?

SPEAKER_06 53:28

We could have Spaz Boy on there too. But you can have them featured on different songs. That's what like Chris does with Agent 51 reunion.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

Let me just put it out there right now, and I'm gonna call out Colin, Jay, and Monica. If you guys throw something cockroach, I will throw on the fucking leather pants and we will do a cockroach reunion. I have fucked up drums that we can put together. Colin and I were talking about, and Monica actually, we were talking about doing a cockroach reunion. So if we do that, will Kill Me Kate put together something?

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Uh if the other guys want to do it, I'm fine with doing it. I think it would be fun. I mean, hey, tell me what's going on. Only if Agent 51 was the strait jacket? What about the straight jacket?

SPEAKER_06 54:09

Wait, wait, wait, wait. We'll get to the straitjacket in a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

I don't wear that on stage. My daughter can get out of it. Well, she did when she was 10. I don't know. She's 21 now.

SPEAKER_00 54:19

I'm about to put you in the strait jacket in a second here, but to answer your your other question, uh we got back from tour, it was January of 2001. We did the the little mini tour, played Gilman for our third time. We played with we brought PBR on the road. We came back, we played our last show, I think it was at the revolver, I don't know, it had different names over the years, like the Playhouse, just kind of like a welcome home from from the road kind of thing. And um just some personal things going on in my life. I decided I didn't want to do it anymore. And uh later that year, uh in August of that year, I I raised my hand and swore in with the military. And September 11th happened two weeks after that, and actually tomorrow is my 20 year I've been twenty years been enlisted in the military. So to give you kind of a a heads up on how long it's been since I did Kill Me Kate, so it's been it's been over 20 years. So Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 55:16

Well it's good to know that you're open for a reunion show.

SPEAKER_04 55:19

And no plans to retire, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

Uh you know, they they they grabbed me and said we need you, so they kind of they got me for at least another two years. I hope they're paying you well. Uh got a promotion board coming up in October. We'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_06 55:34

So and on that note, we're gonna wrap up this episode. I'm Sulo. I'm Jar. I'm Jerm. And we'll catch you next time.