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out."},{"speaker":"Alex","startTime":4685.595,"endTime":4686.615,"body":"and we shall see you next time."},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4687.095,"endTime":4687.995,"body":"See you later everybody."},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4688.445,"endTime":4691.145,"body":"Thank you for listening to"},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4688.445,"endTime":4691.145,"body":"the Fourth Curtain Podcast."},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4691.175,"endTime":4693.785,"body":"Visit us at thefourthcurtain.com"},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4691.175,"endTime":4693.785,"body":"to find our monthly"},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4693.785,"endTime":4696.035,"body":"newsletter and support"},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4693.785,"endTime":4696.035,"body":"the show via Patreon."},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4696.395,"endTime":4698.465,"body":"The Fourth Curtain"},{"speaker":"Aaron","startTime":4696.395,"endTime":4698.465,"body":"podcast is a 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