Euphoric Evolution

Unlocking Your Energetic Blueprint: The Power of Gene Keys & Human Design

• Makhosi Hefisah Nejeser

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In this enlightening conversation, Maria Henning shares her journey into the realms of Gene Keys and Human Design, emphasizing the importance of self-discovery and personal empowerment. The discussion explores how these systems can be applied to business growth, the challenges of navigating relationships while embracing spirituality, and the process of coming out of the spiritual closet. Maria also delves into her current edges in business and personal development, highlighting the significance of refinement and sustainable growth in achieving long-term success.

Takeaways

  • Gene Keys and Human Design provide powerful insights for self-discovery.
  • Embracing multifaceted identities is a strength, not a flaw.
  • Business success can be enhanced by understanding personal energy dynamics.
  • Navigating relationships requires compassion and understanding of differing beliefs.
  • Coming out of the spiritual closet can be a gradual process.
  • It's essential to discern teachings that resonate with your unique path.
  • Refinement in business is often more challenging than initial growth.
  • Sustainable growth requires attention to detail and self-awareness.
  • Building connections with diverse individuals enriches personal growth.
  • Starting with a personal reading is crucial for understanding these systems. 



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Makhosi (00:02.01)
Welcome back to Euphoric Evolution. I'm here with Maria Henning and my gosh, this is going to be an incredible conversation. She's been in my world for a little while and when I have seen her floating around, I thought, ooh, she would be extremely interesting to have a conversation with. So welcome to Euphoric Evolution, Maria.

Maria Henning (00:26.606)
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

Makhosi (00:30.022)
my gosh, so let's dive right in. I don't wanna waste a single second. Can you share a little bit about what is the impact in the world that you are currently making?

Maria Henning (00:42.158)
the way you phrase that question. So where I'm where I'm focused in terms of the work that I do is in the Gene Keys realm in particular. And what I do with that is I teach other folks how to read Gene Keys charts. I also then coach individuals who want to use Gene Keys for life and spiritual and business growth. And I also created an app for other Gene Keys and human design professionals that is currently in like phase one software startup mode working prototype. So working with

professionals in this space, but also individuals, everyone who is wanting to embody this Gene Key's work and human design work in their lives.

Makhosi (01:19.194)
I love it. What pulled you into human design and Gene Keys work?

Maria Henning (01:25.198)
Yeah, I mean, I was always somebody that was very interested in discovering the self, undefined G, you know, since you're familiar with this language, I'll drop that in there. So I was always curious about, you know, personality tests, a neogram, Myers -Briggs, things like that. And I came across human design, happened to come across my lap several times in like 2019. And when I actually heard someone describe my type, I think also your type, right, manifesting generator, that was the most...

the most clearly I had ever felt like I had been seen. Like I felt like it described the nuance of who I am and the multiplicity of who we are as many gens, the best that I had ever heard. And that actually is what hooked me in. And since then I haven't let it go since. So that was like sometime in 2019. So really just, it gave me the most permission to be me that I had ever experienced from all the other personality tests. This manifesting generator permission slip was the most important one that I received.

Makhosi (02:23.622)
I feel like I had a very similar relationship with both Human Design and Gene Keys, even though I don't officially teach. But I do have programs that include all of that energetic alignment. Those codes are really, really powerful. So when you share a little bit about the permission slip that you felt that it gave you as a mani -gen, what does that mean?

Maria Henning (02:37.454)
Mm.

Maria Henning (02:53.198)
Yeah, and I'm curious to hear your experience with it too as a mani -gen, but when I look back at my life, I studied marine science for about 16 years. So I was always like a scuba diver, went to like sea camp, like things like that. I ended up studying that in school. But then like in college, I have an honors degree in marine science, but I also then like danced my whole life and sang in the Houston Grand Opera. And I was a performer for like 20 years.

And then I also taught yoga and like got, you know, 600 hours of yoga teacher training and went very much down the spiritual path. And what I came into, when I came into the job market, what I would always hear from folks is like, it felt like the conversation was like, find that company that you can like stay with for a long time or like, or, or job hop, but just between, you know, just stay in the same industry and whatever. And I, and I felt so trapped by that.

and sort of looking back at my past, it was like, do I even make sense as a person? Am I just like a hot mess? Am I somebody that doesn't have their thing that doesn't know what their passion is? Like it made me feel bad, honestly, that I was so, multiplicitous. and so the permission slip was like, this is actually your power. Like this is actually your magic. The best way I've heard it described for Manny Jen's is we're here to, and I'm curious to hear how this resonates for you, but it's like, we're here to blend seemingly unrelated.

paths into a new one that we forge. And that new path is like our greatest, you know, sort of gift and path in this lifetime. And that was like, I make sense. I actually, this is my power. It's not actually like a flaw or like a deficit that I've been so multifaceted. This is actually what I meant to do. And, you know, all other, you know, per per what is it personality tests were just sort of like, you're really charismatic and you're really this and you're really that, but explaining that.

super multi hyphenate part of me I'd never received until like hearing about manifesting generators on a podcast.

Makhosi (04:52.122)
Yeah, yeah, I can relate to that 1000%. I think for me, because I can relate to having this like performer, singer, played trumpet, like all the way up through college, belly dance, right? All of those creative outlets that now still are really important to me, but they are, they're kind of like my personal medicine that keeps me connected with myself and with spirit. But.

Maria Henning (05:06.286)
Mm.

Maria Henning (05:14.702)
Mmm.

Makhosi (05:20.506)
Also, it helped me to realize for a really long time, well, even till this point, right? Everybody talks about like, you have to have a niche, one niche, right? And that's that one thing that you do that you're known for, right? And that was so challenging for me, because I'm like, but I see how things interconnect. And the concept behind that is like,

Maria Henning (05:32.078)
Yeah.

Makhosi (05:49.626)
Hey, specialize, specializing is the most valuable thing, right? So that's why we have 30 different kinds of doctors now who specialize and go deep. But there's very few of them. And I think if any of us have dealt with the medical world, sometimes what's the most frustrating is that there's nobody who sees the interconnectedness of things and synthesizes things like, hey, you are a whole being, you are a.

Maria Henning (06:00.302)
Mmm.

Maria Henning (06:13.774)
Mm. Yes.

Makhosi (06:19.322)
whole system and all of these different pieces fit together. And I think that's the ManiGen specific genius that we carry. And we have to just give ourselves permission, whether it's through a tool like Human Design or Gene Keys, but finding these different ways to see our own value and also get really good at communicating that genius.

because it's so different than how we've done career, how we've done work, how we've done business for so long. I'm curious. Yeah.

Maria Henning (06:50.254)
Yes.

Maria Henning (06:59.598)
That is such a good way to describe it. Sorry, go ahead. But yeah, that's such a good way to describe the ManiGen genius. Yeah.

Makhosi (07:05.882)
Yeah, I'm curious, how have you specifically, or what key aspects of Gene Keys or human design has really helped you in your business? Have that level of business success?

Maria Henning (07:29.454)
Yeah, so many, so many aspects of that and like really, really specific and practical ones, which is part of why I love both of these systems is just how applicable they can be. So to speak about business things specifically, I'm always playing with the sphere of purpose and the sphere of culture. So a quick.

blow down for anyone that doesn't know sphere of purpose and the gene keys. It's the unconscious earth placement and human design or the earth 88 degrees before your time of birth. That's a human design teaching and the sphere of purpose really denotes basically your purpose, which is not what you do, but rather how you do everything. And like the frequency that you're here to bring to the world, you know, why, why did you incarnate? It's to bring this frequency and

there's also a physical place in which that lies. That's the line. So the frequency is the gene key, the line is the where in the body it is. And my frequency or my purpose sphere is a 51 .5. So 51 is the gate of shock, the gift being initiative, the city being awakening. And then line five is the line of voice in the purpose lines. It's actually Ra's conscious son of the founder of human design is a 51 .5. So I feel kinship with him in that regard. But

Essentially what that is saying is I'm here to be the voice of initiation. I'm here to be the voice of awakening. And so with things in my business that I've gotten really clear about is number one, the more I speak, the more the better my business does. So that's why I started a podcast. That's why when I look at the programs that I do, it's like what you're getting the most kind of value somebody could get from me is from me speaking a lot. So I add on things like longer discussion calls in my businesses or in my business programs.

I have a couple of programs that sort of run for long periods of time. And so they get to have those longer spaces for chatting things like Voxer groups or voice note coaching. Like it's just very, it can be that applicable. It's like, Hey, you're here to be the voice of awakening. Awaken your clients through voice medium, whether it's free, like a podcast or YouTube or paid in some sort of program and versus other people might be.

Maria Henning (09:39.566)
writers or might find some other sort of way to carry out their purpose for me, it's so clear that the more I use my voice, the more I get seen and the better my business does. So that's really clear. Another place that I use it and I could say so many things about this, but I'll just stick on those two placements. Another place I do a lot. Yeah. The sphere of culture, a different placement in the gene keys. It's the unconscious Jupiter placement in human design.

Makhosi (09:54.394)
Yeah, those are good.

Maria Henning (10:05.71)
The key is sort of like how you attract people. So the gene key will show the frequency that is attractive, so to speak, the magnetic field. And then the line is sort of like the level of impact that you're here to have. And mine is, the line is network and the key is 32, which is the sphere, the gene key of like preservation. So what does that mean in a practical context? People are attracted to me by the fact that I preserve these systems and preserve the roots of these systems. Like that's why...

a lot of people love to work with me because I do translate the systems are very complex. And I also am always saying, and this is what source and this is what's, you know, this person's interpretation, just so that we're clear, these are the roots. And then these are other people's interpretations. And this is what makes it practical. Sort of like the ancestral cleanup gene key, it's like we keep what works from like the lineage, and then we sort of get rid of what's not working so much or improve it. So it feels like I'm a

sort of like a lineage carrier of these systems and that makes me very attractive to people. I get that reflection a lot. And then the network is this experience. I get invited on podcasts a lot. I get invited to be a guest expert in a lot of places through networks, through me plugging into groups. Like I'm always in like some sort of membership or some sort of mastermind. And I always forget about this.

I plug in because I love it and I'm having a great time and all of a sudden I'm getting clients and I'm getting followers and I'm getting people showing up in these different spaces. And so for me, the more I tap into networks, the more I find and attract the right culture, which is then, you know, my not just clients who pay me, but also followers who support my work and mentors and collaborators and peers. And that all supports my business. So those are two placements that I'm always playing with a lot. There are other money and business placements, but those two, at least right now have been like,

months of me just really focusing on this, if not years. So yeah, how does that land?

Makhosi (12:00.506)
Yeah, I love that. It's funny because I think when you do this kind of work, we can get like a little bit of envy, a little bit of gene key or HD envy. I always envy people that have fourth lines basically anywhere because I don't have any fourth line energy really anywhere except for I think in my in my pearl. But I have lots and lots of first line.

Maria Henning (12:22.638)
Nice.

Makhosi (12:26.746)
energy that's like the majority of both my human design and gene key chart. And I think for me, what really shifted from just having that even basic knowledge about, okay, well, what is that first line energy, right? The first line is that energy of initiation, starting something, right? Starting something that's new, that's you're pioneering, it's never been, but also that kind of like grounded.

in depth research, foundational knowledge that I am kind of obsessed with. It's a little bit of my ADHD where I just like walk around my place all the time with stacks of books and notebooks that all have different purposes. There's at any given time, three of those happening in my apartment. But having knowledge,

Maria Henning (13:18.51)
Love it.

Maria Henning (13:23.662)
Fantastic.

Makhosi (13:25.05)
It's like the cheat sheet, right? It's like the shortcut when you know certain things. Like you probably could have through observation, through experiences, so on and so forth, you could have come to an understanding of like, hey, when I speak, these sorts of things happen, right? But having the blueprint, having your unique blueprint, right?

Maria Henning (13:28.142)
Yes.

Maria Henning (13:47.15)
Yeah.

Makhosi (13:54.138)
gives you those like cheat codes to life and business.

Maria Henning (13:59.534)
Yes, literally. My first Genki's program that I taught, I called it cheat codes, because that's literally what it feels like, you know? And the beautiful thing about, you know, human design and Genki's giving you this stuff is you get all of the validation and the permission to be you, but you also get all the contrast of what doesn't work for you. You know, so for us as Mani Gen's, like we got, yeah, you know, responding works really well, informing works really well. And also we don't need to wait for invitations and the...

particular way that projectors need to receive invitations. That's actually, that can still work for certain things, but like that's not our highest strategy. So it really tells you, here's also what not to do. So it makes you really efficient in terms of the way that you use your energy. And then to sort of talk about the envy thing too, I think that that's a very common experience when you get into this world, cause you see your chart and again, 50 % of the experience is like, my gosh, all this validation of me and like who I am.

but also you get your conditioning reflected back to you. And you're like, I wish I wasn't a generator. If only I could just inform and, you know, be a manifestor and just initiate, you know, or I wish I had a sacred center. Like, why don't I have a sacred center to find? And I call that like the beginning stages. But then after you do the deconditioning work, you have this experience. And this is my 51 .5 of shock apologies. If like, is profanity allowed on your podcast? Just let me know. Okay. My experience is after I have, I,

Makhosi (15:17.689)
of course.

Maria Henning (15:22.702)
my 51 shock of voice can be very vulgar, but it's all in a sense of like, you know, initiating and awakening you to your power. The experience of deconditioning, you go from like, my God, I have the worst chart. Like, yeah, this is all validating, but this, you know, this like thing is hard. This thing is hard to like, motherfucker, I have the best fucking chart. I have the best chart. Like this is the best fucking chart. Cause it does feel that way to you. You know, when you're living your own design, it should feel...

Delicious, you know, it should feel like coming home to you every day. You should feel something I'm playing with a lot is like the feeling of confidence is actually just being authentic. You know, just being you is the highest confidence you could ever feel because there's nothing to compromise for. There's nothing to hide. You know, you're just being you. So, you know, you do get the envy. Sometimes I wish I had certain things for sure. But then I remember this is actually the best for me. Like I literally chose to get this energy to carry out my purpose perfectly.

Makhosi (16:18.17)
Yeah, and it's always something that you get to come home to, right? Like when things seem like they just aren't working well, you immediately can go, wait, hmm, what have I been doing? How have I been showing up? And is that true to who I'm here to be? But also being really mindful not to make it a box that you have to fit, right? It's just a tool.

Maria Henning (16:43.278)
Yeah.

Makhosi (16:45.786)
that you get to experiment with, that you get to play with, that you get to use. But it isn't another way for you to limit yourself, where you're like, well, I can't connect with anyone and tell them that I'm speaking because no one's invited me to speak. And how long do I have to wait for that invitation if I'm a projector, right? No, it's more about how can you.

go about creating the reality, like what's gonna be the best way for you to do that, not, I can't because my energy said so.

Maria Henning (17:20.686)
Yes. Yes, I think the best, you're on the money for sure. And a lot of people do have that experience of like, I can't do this, I can't do that. The reality is that anyone can do anything. It's just everyone's strategies will be different. We're going to approach that differently. Anybody can be, you know, a coach or a, I don't know, software startup or what, like anyone can do anything. It's just how are you using your energy the best way to get there? So.

Makhosi (17:36.474)
was.

Maria Henning (17:49.294)
Yeah, a hundred percent. It shouldn't be, you know, something that you try to fit yourself to. And then to go back to the business thing, something I say all the time is it's not about trying to fit you to the business. And like, how can I force my chart into like what I think the online business model should be or whatever kind of business you're running. It's like, you fit the business to you, you know, okay, well I'm this, I have, you know, single definition quad, right? You know, undefined this, undefined that. Great. How can I work with that? Like that literally, that's the cheat.

that's a cheat sheet as well, the cheat map. You have the chart, just fit the business to you and not the other way around. So don't try to fit your life to you or try to fit your life into the chart. It's like, just see your chart reflected in reality. Like it'll just happen naturally. You can do anything you wanna do. Just use your strategy and it'll feel the best. And then don't try to fit the business or don't try to fit you to an online business model, fit the business to you.

Makhosi (18:44.986)
Yeah, I think that this is really crucial as we're going forward because I personally see that we're seeing the collapse of so many like financial systems, education system, political systems, like all of them are falling apart. And the way that I interpret that and what I see coming is that we are going to see more individual empowerment. We're going to see more authenticity and more.

Maria Henning (18:59.822)
Yeah.

Makhosi (19:12.379)
unique structures and so on and so forth. So it's going to be really important that as we move forward, people are able to interpret, okay, I'm learning XYZ from this person. And here's the thing, most people are not going to teach you, hey, this was my model for doing XYZ. This is how you can translate that. That's for someone like you or myself to help people with. But,

even just having that knowledge of yourself, then it makes you so empowered when you go to learn from other people because you can start to translate what they are sharing with you, the information, the teachings, the frameworks, the models, et cetera. Instead of trying to contort yourself to those, you can say, OK, well, how can that work for me? Right. Like I learned quite a bit about just like the basics of online business from James Wedmore.

who is a generator. I'm not sure of his profile, but he's definitely a generator. And there was so much there that was helpful, but not until I was able to adjust it to, okay, I'm a managen and how can that look for me and reflect me? Another thing that I'm super curious about because you and I both come from more scientific, analytical,

Maria Henning (20:15.31)
Mm.

Makhosi (20:40.142)
logic oriented studies and then kind of made the shift to come out of the spiritual closet, right? And a lot of the people who are listening are in the midst of that experience, right? Where they're, I've worked with psychologists and doctors and like best in class entrepreneurs and, and, and, and, right? And,

Maria Henning (20:53.006)
Yeah.

Makhosi (21:09.85)
That can be a scary transition to make. How did you come out of the spiritual closet?

Maria Henning (21:17.678)
Yeah, that's a great question. And to speak to the business piece that you were saying, I use the word discern a lot. It helps us discern when we receive those teachings, if it's like correct for us. So I love that example. And I have many similar examples. But to talk about the spiritual closet, like coming out of it, that's a super important question. And I love that I can just live now being fully out of it, so to speak. But there was a time where there was a bit of a transition.

I'll speak to this from a really quick astrology perspective. I had Pluto transiting through Capricorn, which is my 12th house from the ages of 14 until this year, 2024. So 16, about 15, 16 years. And that just means death and rebirth of spirituality, essentially, to put it very simply. And so I actually came in and out of it several times. There were many sort of moments of that. So at 14, I told my parents like,

I don't believe in, I was raised Catholic, I'm from Venezuela, so very Catholic sort of upbringing. And I was like, I don't believe in this, I'm an atheist, like I'm reading like only philosophy books from now on and like astronomy, big bank theory, whatever. And I would like fight with them about how wrong their religion was. And then I went into, you know, more Eastern spirituality and into yoga, and then I sort of shut it down again, and then came back out again. So there were several moments of that. And my experience of coming out of the spiritual closet with the human design thing,

to the people that mattered was, and there, because there's two different coming out moments, for the coming out to the people that mattered, so like my family, really, and friends, for the right people, I never got any pushback because I was so certain about it. I was so confident in it. So for, and I specifically am speaking to this from like my family and my older brother is in formation to be a Catholic priest. We're both very spiritual, but completely different paths.

but I never got any pushback from it versus other things I would get pushback from. Cause I wasn't so like personal development seminars and stuff that I was doing. even though I fully believed in them, it still wasn't like my, my absolute truth, but human design and gene keys and now even astrology, which has been my latest sort of dive in, which all sort of fall into the realm of like, you know, like you are the God and creator type, you know, we can put all of that under that sort of spiritual umbrella. You could say,

Maria Henning (23:42.478)
Lots of nuance there. But anyway, those when I came out of the spiritual closet in that regard, I received no pushback. It was just like, yep, this just makes sense. This is just who you are. Like there was immediate sort of support. I wouldn't say there was there was curiosity. I've been doing this for like, you know, over four years, and my parents have never been like, what's my gene keys? Like, they don't care, you know, but there's no pushback. You know, there's no versus before there was like heavy questioning on a lot of things. For the wrong people, there was definitely heavy questioning.

I actually ended my long -term relationship because of his perspective on me. Words like you're brainwashing people, you're taking advantage of them, you're hurting people to talk about astrology and things like that. And I was like, okay, well, this is not correctly, this is not the aligned relationship. Definitely lost some friends along the way, not because of even the spiritual side of it, it was actually the entrepreneurial side of things that had people sort of be like, huh.

Like, I don't like that. And I think it was like the going for my dreams type of thing and like the belief in myself that was really triggering for people. And just we just naturally, there were no big blowouts or anything like that. It was just we just naturally sort of went in different directions. And so that was my experience of like the people close to me, like coming out of the spiritual closet. So for the people that I actually care about and like mattered, there was no pushback. Unfortunately, my

long term relationship ended because he was so against this type of belief system. And then other friends that sort of fell apart. But then for coming out fully, I created a separate Instagram account for my business. And the way I looked at that was I'm not gonna throw my baby to the wolves. Like there's no need for me to use my personal Instagram account where I have people from Texas following me from high school where I grew up.

Like I don't need to be talking about this in front of people who are definitely not going to get it. And to give them the benefit of the doubt, there are many who are very interested and there are also still many who are very much not interested. And it was just like, let me just not take the risk. You know, like I don't need to throw my baby to the wolves. I don't need to put myself out there in that way. And then when I did like six months later, there was just like no reception of anything. And I honestly didn't even matter to me at that time. It's just like, I didn't even care. I made like one post about it. Like this is what I do now.

Maria Henning (26:06.542)
And there was just literally, it was like a dud. There was no reaction. And I was already just so in my flow of like being me online, which is like what I always wanted. It's just to be self -expressed on the internet, be creating things. That's why I love being in business. I'm sure you feel the same as a managent. I could just create whatever I want as fast as I want, like however I wanna create it. And it just felt so true and so real. Then again, it's like, even if there had been pushback, it would just like sort of slid off of me. So.

That was my experience with the spiritual coming out process. And I was, to give some context, I was like 25 at the time. I think it really does, depending on like, you know, if you've been in a corporate, like I wasn't in a corporate career for 20 years. I know a lot of people do have that experience. I had just been in the job market for only about four years at that time. So there were some privileges to that, not these very long cemented, you know, other people's identities of me that I had to break through.

So I do want to give that context. I was quite young and still like there were relationships that ended and it was all perfect. So yeah, that's my story. How was it? It was your experience.

Makhosi (27:14.81)
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, well, well, I will say the thing that I did that now looking back on it, I can see I was doing that that was creating so many of the issues that I experienced in kind of coming out was that I as I was entering into the spiritual exploration because I didn't come in. I say like I came in through the back door of spirituality in that I was.

basically exposed directly to ancient and indigenous spiritual systems and went in through that way and then came out the other side and people were like, yeah, Abraham Hicks. And I'm like, who's that? And they're like, human design. I'm like, what's that? I don't understand any of this stuff. So that has been a journey. So my experience was, well, number one, extremely jarring.

Maria Henning (27:57.998)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (28:01.678)
Yeah.

Makhosi (28:13.114)
because I did go in through the indigenous and ancient pathways, which are like the most demonized. So when I started originally, I just started sharing my thoughts, but I definitely had so much spiritual ego that I was projecting that everyone needed to know what I was learning, that everyone needed to awaken to what was happening. And...

Maria Henning (28:23.31)
Mm -hmm.

Maria Henning (28:38.766)
Mm.

Makhosi (28:42.618)
I'm glad that I had that experience because now I have so much more compassion when I see people, like right now there's a mass awakening and I'm seeing all of these people who are like, my gosh, look at all of these horrible things and the politicians and the corporations and the, like, I understand that on a collective level because I experienced it on a personal level like a decade ago at this point. But also what caused a lot of,

Maria Henning (28:52.078)
Yeah.

Makhosi (29:12.442)
challenge for me and I always advise anyone who's working with me and going through that transition is to not hold expectations around the people who are around you and what you think the relationship has to look like in order for you to get to be yourself. So I really struggled and was really like it was a rocky two years solid where I thought my husband and I

we're probably not going to make it. And so much of that was because I was like, I'm gonna be spiritual, you need to be spiritual too. And I had in my mind what I thought that had to look like. And I was trying to force him to be like that. But when I shifted that focus to instead like, how can I be the embodiment of the things that I'm learning? How can I step into and be?

Maria Henning (29:44.11)
Hmm.

Makhosi (30:09.53)
Like a walking talking.

literal book of the things that I'm learning and transforming with. And when I started doing that, the people around me, the ones who were closest to me, really, like my husband was extremely inspired by how rapidly...

Maria Henning (30:33.518)
Yeah.

Makhosi (30:36.154)
I shifted and who I became. And that's not to say that I'm like a great person. Like my husband is a great person. Okay. You meet my husband, that guy is solid. I still have impatience. I'm still very like anal about certain things. Like when it comes to who's a better person, he's definitely a better person. But that had such a major.

Maria Henning (30:52.718)
Yeah.

Makhosi (31:04.794)
I tease about that, but he's like, if we're talking about what does it even mean to be spiritual, right? He embodies that. Now he doesn't necessarily, like now he does participate in certain like ceremonies and he knows how to take care of me in certain experiences and he's extremely supportive. But yeah, to me, he is a walking embodiment of,

Maria Henning (31:23.79)
Mm.

Makhosi (31:34.778)
the spirit that he is here to be. And that's like the best thing I could ask for.

Maria Henning (31:43.47)
Yeah, I think that's all people really have to be. Thank you for sharing that. And I think like what you say, what you said is allowing me to make a distinction. The reason my relationship ended, my romantic relationship, is not because he wasn't spiritual, because I actually didn't have any stakes for him to be spiritual, because what you experienced in those two years was like 10 years for me. 14 being like, you're wrong, like this is wrong, like you shouldn't be Catholic. Like I had that spiritual ego for so long.

And that's why I got so much pushback, obviously, because I was like, it was important to me that they wake up, you know, I was like 14 being like, I'm the voice of awakening, you know, like very, I know for, I know for my mom, I was quite a challenging child for sure. But the reason that my relationship ended is not because he wasn't spiritual. I actually really enjoyed that he was, you know, just a dude in finance, just very much in the 3D, like it was really grounding and he was so sweet and so amazing in other ways. The reason it ended is because he thought he was,

He thought I was harming people. Like he actively did not support me. He like, there was no space for conversation about what I did with his family. We weren't allowed to talk about it. Like they thought I was crazy. Like then, and it was like this big taboo thing and like Mari is like doing weird shit on the internet and like being really harmful. And like, we need to like stay away from her. Like, and there were so like the fights were coming from his end. Like I never talked about it with him. I just did my own thing and whatever. And he would.

Makhosi (32:43.418)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (33:09.678)
come and like we would have these discussions. So I didn't need him to be that way. And some of one of my best friends is like the least spiritual person you could imagine, you know, and we never talk about human design and GQs. We have so many other things to talk about. And so those people that stayed, some of them are spiritual and that I've met so many amazing people on the internet, obviously through this work and have found some amazing, really close friends. But then some of the people that stayed have.

literally have no interest in it. They just love me and they see that I'm happy and that I actually feel, you know, really self -expressed and that I am making positive impact on the world. They don't understand it, like the details of it, but they see that I am doing it and they see the truth in it and they love that for me and we can talk about, you know, our things and we can have any other conversation. So yeah, I wanted to make that distinction because it didn't end because he wasn't spiritual. In this case, it ended because he...

actively thought I was like harming people and like fighting with me all the time about it. Yeah, and not supporting me. Yeah.

Makhosi (34:05.274)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's really important that thank you for making that distinction because I think it really is important for people to recognize, you know, when it's time for relationships to dissolve, when they're, you know, when they're falling away or when they are like when it's worth sticking it through and navigating the discomfort because so much healing happens in relationship. And it's my perspective that the most

spiritual thing that you can do is be able to be in lots of different types of relationships with lots of different types of people. Like the idea of having an echo chamber where everyone thinks exactly like you think is, well, one of the root causes of why the world is such a hot mess. And...

Maria Henning (35:03.534)
Yeah.

Makhosi (35:04.058)
It's funny because some of the people who, you know, a lot of people like assume, you're a shaman, you know, the kind of people that you must be around must be like, da, da, da, da. But some of the people that I'm actually really quite connected to, like the one that comes to mind right now is my friend Eric Lochtefeld. I did an interview of him a couple of years ago, but, you know, he's rich, older white guy.

with like $50 million net worth. And if you saw the two of us together, like people see us and they're like, how are you, like this doesn't make any sense. But then we both open up our mouths and there, even though we use different language for things, we have common value system, right? We have things that we talk about. So I don't talk to him about like the pantheon of spirits and you know.

Maria Henning (35:39.982)
Yeah.

Makhosi (35:59.45)
demonic forces or aliens, right? Like that's not something that we talk about, but what we do resonate on is like purpose and, you know, encouraging people to build the life of their dreams and to create wealth that has impact and extends beyond us and yada, yada, yada. But I think that's a really important thing for all of us to take forward.

Maria Henning (36:05.646)
Sure.

Maria Henning (36:11.118)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (36:22.35)
Yes.

Makhosi (36:28.666)
And as we are going about building businesses and showing up in visible spaces and all of that, before we hop off, I do have one more question for you. And I'm really curious about what's next? What is your current edge? Because some people think, you know.

Maria Henning (36:37.518)
quarterly.

Makhosi (36:55.13)
We grow and then everything's perfect. After we hit a certain level or we go through a certain challenge, then everything's amazing. And I think it's important that with the concept of euphoric evolution, it's that we're constantly aware of and leaning into new edges. So what are your latest edges?

Maria Henning (37:14.414)
Yeah, definitely. It never stops to your point. And like a good man, Jen, I have a lot of different edges happening right now. So, and I think they all have to do with an expansion of like holding, you know, holding the new level. So one of them is specifically like wealth related. So I'm in like a deep sort of nervous system, money rewiring situation. And that does not just mean money coming in, but dealing with taxes at a different level, dealing with, you know,

in being intimate with your money at a different level. And my experience was I made a bunch of money in my business and it was super fun. And I had never been an adult in a pandemic free world with that much money. And I fucking spent a lot of it. And there was some to show for it, but really not that much in terms of what I would want looking back now. And so realizing that that was sort of a dysregulated reaction to that and being like...

feeling unsafe to hold it, feeling unsafe to be someone that could actually keep my wealth and be seen in that way. Yeah, just realizing that and how like the state of like functional freeze that I was in all the time, either like just working, working, working, or like literally can't do anything on the couch. So doing some big sort of like nervous system work right now. And yeah, to your point, it's like people, and this is what I thought of.

people that make what I'm making now, it's like, everything's just fine and perfect. And it's like, nope, there's still things to work on. So that's a big edge. And then another edge right now is, okay, there's like two more things I wanna say. One of them is a collaboration that is very exciting, but there needs to be a lot of like steps to get to that collaboration. And...

you know, there's the possibility for that collaboration and we just need to figure out a bunch of things along the way. So like that's really exciting. It's just like a long journey, but, and a lot of, again, triggering things, but like a really exciting sort of light at the end of the tunnel. If, if, if it, if it is correct for it to come through. and then the other thing is just straight up business product suite curation. So that's my other sort of really big edge is I have so many amazing products in my, in my product suite and they're not super.

Maria Henning (39:28.174)
efficiently connected in the way that I visualize them to be. And that takes a lot of work. It's just going to take a lot of work to connect things together. I mean, a lot of work, maybe that's a story, but it's just going to take effort. You know, that's fine. I'm Capricorn style. I'm here for the effort, but there's just, you know, a lot of places I can see small shifts that would make a really big difference in the way that somebody navigates through my, my, my business. So, and all of that.

with this nervous system dysregulation, it's like in the past, it just felt really overwhelming and how could I do this? And I just wanna keep la la la, moving forward. And it's like this year, my edges are, you can't be la la la. You have to look at it. Look at the nervous system dysregulation, look at the cross the T's and dot the I's for the collaborations. And then put the things together in your business and stop just like ignoring it and moving forward, la la la.

So those are, yeah, it all sort of falls under this like, can I hold it? Can I be with it? Can I not be and like freak out about it all? And there's just these three different sides of that monster, a very cute monster, an exciting problem to have. But yeah, that's my current edge right now.

Makhosi (40:39.258)
Yeah, it's funny because as a Manny Jen, it's so easy for us if we're not aware of these very grounded, practical ways that we can contain ourselves, what we're creating, our world. It's so easy for us to slip into chaos. We'll call it creative chaos, where we're so inspired, we're so excited, we're like,

Maria Henning (41:06.094)
Yeah.

Makhosi (41:08.698)
doing and creating all of the things and that is part of our magic. And simultaneously, right? Simultaneously, it's important that we also have that a little bit of the groundedness, the practical, the, you know, focus on these very few kind of strategic and also body things that will help you to hold and also be able to...

build something that is just more sustainable over a long period of time because our ebbs and flows are not sustainable.

Maria Henning (41:43.758)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (41:50.67)
Yeah, definitely. It feels, if I could say it in this way, it feels like the stage I'm at is the refinement stage, the fine tuning. And sometimes that actually feels harder than the big, brute effort of, let me make a course, or let me push out a podcast. Those bits of, okay, now let me look at everything that I've been ignoring, or just ways that I could just refine and make things efficient and sustainable, to your point, where...

Makhosi (41:52.282)
Anyway.

Maria Henning (42:16.526)
If I have those big cycles, the cycles where I'm not in a big push, like, can I still be okay in my business? Yeah, it just takes that little bit of extra care and attention and leveling up to like a different way of even just seeing myself as somebody that can do that. So yeah, you're absolutely right. And thank you for that question. I think it's important to talk about the edges.

Makhosi (42:36.57)
Yeah, I love that you're bringing up this concept of refinement. I was writing some content that I want to really lean into talking about more. And one of the biggest things that I see not very many people talking about is like, this is going to sound really horrible, but I really don't care. It's actually easier to go from being average to good, right?

Maria Henning (42:58.99)
Here for it.

Makhosi (43:04.442)
because if you think about it in terms of weight loss, if you have 100 pounds to lose and you cut out soda, right? One thing, you cut out soda, usually, not always, I know that there's gonna be caveats and like, well, what if you have a thyroid problem and da da da da, like, okay, but in general, in general, at that level, right, you cut out soda, boom, 20 pounds gone. But what's actually harder,

Maria Henning (43:15.47)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (43:23.47)
Yes, we know.

Makhosi (43:32.474)
right, is like when you are already great and you're at like a level 98, going from 98 to 100 on a scale is harder, right? Like losing that last 10 or five pounds, I know because I'm currently in the process of losing like the last eight pounds. And it's slow and it's much more, it takes so much fine tuning and like getting awareness of.

Maria Henning (43:40.366)
Yes.

Maria Henning (43:53.294)
Mm -hmm.

Makhosi (44:02.01)
the small things, right? Like the little cookie that I really need to have every night that keeps pushing me over. It's actually not pushing me over. I've navigated it in other ways, but there's also not as many. The reason why I'm feeling called to talk about it more is because that is like my area of expertise is that refinement. And there aren't as many people who support.

Maria Henning (44:15.726)
Nice.

Makhosi (44:31.29)
entrepreneurs and leaders with that refinement process, whether it is strategic or spiritual, or in my case, I love to synthesize both and bridge them. And if you are at that level and then you are trying to apply like beginner creator tactics, but you're at the refinement stage, it is a very fast way to

burn yourself out because you're just constantly going to be creating more, doing more, right? When really at that level, it's about releasing, it's about letting go of, it's about simplifying and making things more efficient and easeful, right? Yeah, it's a whole different ballgame.

Maria Henning (45:04.174)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (45:07.822)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (45:20.142)
Yes.

Maria Henning (45:25.23)
Yeah, and to your point, like, I think the mentorship is interesting, because you're saying like, there's less people sort of like doing this. And it's like, I had to go through a couple of different people whose teachings I was following until I really found like the right person who was like, you actually know the nitty gritty of this. Like, you've been through this process, and you really do walk your walk. And I know that that's, you know, some of your magic as well, if not a lot of it. Like, you can get away, you...

you get away with less things, you know, at the refinement level. It's like, you can't get away with the cookie anymore. You know, you have to, if you really want the sort of next step, it's not about that super big push hard effort. It's just like, just a little, like more integrity here, more integrity there. Like look at it more, don't ignore it anymore. Like take a look at this. So yeah, like I find that the people who really are, at least for me, like can help me to walk forward are so deeply.

walking their walk every day, like, and being, like, rigorous, meaning just that they just show up for it, not that it's hard or has to be forceful or really masculine or whatever. It's just like, we just are rigorous with it. We're not lazy with our thinking. We're not lazy ignoring things or whatever, with our daily practices or whatever. It's like those really rigorous people, like those are the people that, for me at least, have been really supportive and, like, navigating this refinement journey. And it's really been one person who I've deeply invested in this year.

that has really, really supported me. So, yeah, no, I'm with you and it's lonely at the top, as they say. There's fewer people up here and so we're grateful to have you doing similar work. Yeah.

Makhosi (47:00.826)
Yeah, I love that you have recognized and found someone who has been able to support you in leaning into that. And I think it's important that we recognize that that is necessary in both strategic, but also spiritual aspects. And for anyone who is listening, I think it's also important to start to contemplate which level

is suited for your genius, right? Because there are people who are absolutely incredible at activating and motivating people to, you know, take action, make that first $10 ,000 and, and, and, and that's going to be more people. And we need more of those people actually. But also like, don't judge yourself if that's not your thing. Like someone,

Maria Henning (47:50.126)
Yeah, definitely.

Makhosi (47:55.739)
commented on one of my YouTube videos. I was just going through responding and someone commented. I think it was like my What is a Shaman video on YouTube I did years ago and someone was like, my gosh, that sounds terrible. I'm a free spirit and da da da da da da da da. And I'm like, listen, this whole thing about being a shaman is not cute and fun and like free.

It requires a certain level of discipline. I actually prefer to call it devotion. And it's not for everybody, right? But if you want to live a life that is not average, that is not ordinary, well, it comes with it. It's part of the evolution. It's part of the journey, right?

Maria Henning (48:26.286)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (48:37.07)
Yeah.

Maria Henning (48:51.47)
Yeah.

Makhosi (48:55.226)
Well, thank you so much, Maria, for taking this time to just share a little bit of your magic and give us some insight into your experiences, your journey. I would love for you to share with people how can they connect with you, how can they follow you if they want to get to know you more, they want to explore your work.

Maria Henning (49:18.414)
Thank you so much for having me. It's so fun to reconnect and to share this story. So thank you. I am on Instagram at by Maria Henning, because very many, Jen, everything I will create will be by Maria Henning. And the best way you can get started if you're curious about Gene Keys is going through, you know, there's a whole Gene Keys guide sort of linked on there.

On Instagram, there's free podcast episodes on my own podcast about the Gene Keys. And I always, and I'm curious if you had this experience too, but I always recommend starting with a reading for any of the systems that you're interested in, whether it's human design or Gene Keys or astrology or whatever you're doing, just to know the system for you first before you try to understand, you know, for everyone. So I don't know if that was your experience, but that's what I recommend folks. And I do Gene Keys readings as well, so.

Makhosi (50:08.026)
Yes, if you've never had a reading, it always start, I think it's always wise to just start with learning for yourself, apply for yourself before you go trying to learn it for anyone else. And Gene Keys and human design specifically, it's just so valuable when you've done the work yourself and have seen, you just have so much more conviction and understanding behind you. So.

Maria Henning (50:14.03)
enough.

Maria Henning (50:29.998)
Yes.

Makhosi (50:36.41)
Please don't go and try and teach it after reading a sales page about Gene Keys. Definitely start with a basic reading.

Maria Henning (50:42.99)
Yes.

Maria Henning (50:48.494)
Yes, get a reading. I do readings. We go in depth. And yes, you make some very good points. But yeah, that's how we can connect everything's on Insta. Bye, Maria Henning. Thank you.

Makhosi (50:58.746)
Okay, I love that. Well, thank you again so much for spending some time with me today. This has been an amazing conversation and I look forward to seeing you very soon.

Maria Henning (51:11.79)
Yay, thank you so much.