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Call Me Ethical and Moral with Lindsay Tallman
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This week, Dai and David are joined by a friend of the podcast and an ethics and morality authority, Lindsay Tallman, MS, BCBA. They discuss how to remain ethical and moral in an unjust and amoral system.
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Hello, and welcome back to another episode of your favorite podcast. It's your boy Day.
SPEAKER_03And I am David, and together we are creating conversations. This is Call Me Limbo. Today we are joined by a very special guest. You've heard her before. She was our wonderful contributor and host while we were in Chicago at the march on the DNC. Lindsay Tallman is back. Welcome, Lindsay.
SPEAKER_00Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. I love, um, I love a big fan of the podcast, and of course, love to be welcomed back on.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, thank you for being willing to do this. Uh, last week we ended our episode with a question about how do we maintain ethics and morality in an unethical and a moral system. And we thought it would be really interesting to talk to you because your undergrad degree is in religion. You have a master's degree in applied behavior analysis. And I know that there's a professional ethics code that you have to abide by. And so we thought you were a great contributor the last time we had you on. And so we would love just kind of you being part of this conversation. So thank you for being willing to do it.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes. Very, very happy to be here.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Well, I think the best way to start a conversation like this is to get clear on definitions. And so if you could, in your own way, how would you define the word ethics?
SPEAKER_00Oh, that's a really good question. Um, also I love that approach because as a behavior analyst, one of the first things we do too is like when we're trying to decrease or increase any behavior is that operational definition, right? And so, yeah, defining ethics, I think it's so much more. I mean, like my initial thought is going to like what's right or wrong, right? Um, but then I think that's just like the first kind of simplistic look at it. Um, and also that kind of naturally sets you up for a binary approach. And I think that's just like something whereas like as I grow older, like looking at the world, it's just not binary. So more, I get more intense than or depth than um just right or wrong, but also looking at then like how those cultural norms influence how um even like what the community needs for what is important in that place and time for almost those people. So like I think you have to look at ethics like kind of histor, like through that historical lens, kind of look at it like culturally too, of like what was going on in there. Like even like if you look at like, you know, natural disasters or like even like changes in at agriculture, right? Like that's all gonna have like a big impact on the community. Um, and then like their ethics of like how those communities believe of like what's right or wrong gets kind of passed down. So really kind of like looking, looking at those cultural norms and laws with that lens um of the culture, with also kind of science applied of like what we know about the world to be.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that's interesting. Would you like as you were talking about like cultural norms and like right or wrong, like I'm just curious about like evolutionarily, if that's a word, like could it be like tied to our survival too?
SPEAKER_00I'm sure. I'm sure there's a huge evolutionary standpoint. Um, and also kind of of like understanding like why we do the things that we do, right? So I think some ethics that we might just have like are just passed down. Um, I always think of this like I can't remember, I'd love to be able to give credit, like if it's TikTok or Instagram or something, but about this family who had this pork roast um or like a tenderloin roast recipe that they put in the crock pot. Okay. But every year, like or every time they make it, like when the the recipe is passed down, they always like make sure to cut the roast. As do you know what I'm talking about? Like, as um as they kind of examined that little family tradition more, they realized like cutting the roast had nothing to actually do with the preparation of the roast. They did it because that's what fit in the pan. So like they it may that's actually part of how you that's part of the recipe. When really it's like, oh no, I did that because of this, right? So I think when we look at like just human behavior and then like how that gets applied, like culturally, we see a lot of like, well, what the reason why do we do this this way? And we may think it's because, oh, it makes the quality of the meat better or if it makes like this is the right thing. It's like, oh no, we just needed it to fit in the pan. You know, so I think when we like, why are, and I that's what I love about behavior analysis, like there's a reason and intention between behind everything that we're doing. And so I think like really examining that of like, well, why are we doing this? And I think you can do that with with ethics, right? Of like, well, why do we believe this is right? Why do we believe this is wrong? You know, and then looking at it from that lens of how that all got shaped up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I love that because for me, it is I find myself, I think in this political moment, especially, not just politics, but the like, where the generation, especially millennials and Gen Z are questioning the why of traditions. And I don't, I'm not a believer that every tradition just should just be thrown out the window because it's inherently bad. But I do think questioning some of the bad, some of the things that have produced the situations that we're in is definitely necessary. Like, you know, why is it that, you know, oh, it's not personal, it's business. Like anyone who knows me knows, I hate that phrase because I said I think that's what's caused business to become so corrupt. But there is no level of humanity or any level of quote unquote personal in it. There's no, you know, the thing is just a trickle-down economics, and it's like this hasn't worked. Uh being willing to uh accurately call it out and critique it, and you know, the idea of profit being profit maximization being everything. And I do agree that asking why is important. I think, especially, you know, given your expertise in religion, this is something that I would love your thoughts on because it's something I've been jumping right in, because it's something I've been thinking about a lot as I've been thinking about different guests to bring on just on a series of religious aspects when it comes to politics, etc., is the idea that in religion there are certain types that really frown upon questioning why. And especially in more traditional spaces. And something that I thought about a lot when it comes to certain issues like LGBTQZ involvement in the church, I'm like, I think at a certain point questioning why causes so much anguish because if you were wrong, you then have to take accountability and atone for the immense amount of psychological and emotional damage that you've done to a sea of people. And for some people, it's actually easier to just stay wrong than it would be to change your behavior or change your belief system, especially when it's something so tied to your identity. And so I'm curious your thoughts on in that space, whether it be political, religion, or whatever, kind of your thoughts on that statement and just the idea of change, ethical change within one's thinking.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think that's a really good question. Um, I feel like that's stuff I'm actually dealing with, like just personally, even of like, okay, what are um, you know, those feelings that you can avoid and those feelings that you can kind of actually lean into? And I think it made me think like of two things, I guess. Number one, just our internal nervous system and like how, you know, I'm personally working with my therapist right now. She's um a big expert on polyvagal theory, um, which I really encourage anybody to check out. It's fascinating. And it talks about how the I'm still learning about it. So I think we're lifelong learners here. Lifelong learners. Um, but basically just that that like your central nervous system is kind of this like highway that's it's neuros or neurosceptive instead of perception. So that your body and your nervous system is picking up on these like threats around you, which might may actually be threats or not threats. Um, but that like, so then what we refer to as that gut reaction, right? So I think that if you have people within those institutions, I would think probably, I guess my own through my own experience, I have that gut reaction where I'm like, oh, this doesn't feel right, or this feels kind of gross, or like, I don't know, I just I can't really go along with this. Um, of like knowing like this, who am I to say someone else's experience, especially with like the holy or with God or spirit or source or whatever you want to call that? Like, who am I to say that their experience is real or not? Like that is just not my authority. And so I think like really encouraged, like looking at that of like, trust your gut. Like that is, we are biological beings. And like, yes, that sounds kind of like not congruent with, you know, like the religious side, but I think inherently, like we our bodies know like what's okay and what's not before sometimes even our mind does. Now, on that other side, if you're not tapped into that gut or you have that gut feeling, but you know, it can be a little uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable of actually engaging in meaningful change and like sitting back and re-examining because like doing the work is so hard. It's so hard. Um, I think right now for me personally, I'm at a spot where I'm really doing the work and not everyone in my family is. And so I've had like tough decisions to make of like, I mean, I've literally said to my therapist of like, I wish I could also just be so okay with that icky gut feeling and avoid the real things that I'm like, wait a second, I'm not okay with where my tax money is going, or I'm not okay with the church saying that, like, you know, we're not going to marry trans people or, you know, what whatever the oppressive thing is, that sometimes it's easier to actually like swallow that and like, oh, you know, just kind of push that gut feeling down than actually face that and make a meaningful change because also uncovering that, like you said, right? Like you might have your own fear or shame, or like, yeah, it kind of you create that shame spiral of like, oh, that's also what I thought. Like, that's not cool. Like, that's not what I want to do either. And then to have to actually like communicate that and show that and live that in another, like within the context of the church, it's it's hard. It's hard. You can then be ostracized, right? Like that I think that group mentality. So trusting your gut. And then, like, when you do trust your gut and you feel it, don't ignore it. Like, cause it's so easy to ignore it and avoid the pain and just go back to the status quo. Like, but once you do, once or like once you don't ignore that pain and kind of open up, it's like for me personally, I'm like, I can't ever go back. Like, I don't know how to not ignore my gut anymore.
SPEAKER_01Once you know, you know. I'm curious because we had um Shane Hodges on when he was talking about his book, It's Time to Be You, How to Become Your Most Authentic, Most Authentic Self. And you mentioned doing the work. And so for those out there who say they recognize I have this icky feeling.
SPEAKER_03I think that's what he called it, the ick. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, the ick. So, what for you, what was that next step? What is that doing the work look like? We hear that phrase so much, but a lot of people, I think we don't often get like tangible examples of what people are doing in their life that's working.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I think um for me it's been a lot of I'm really into acceptance um and commitment therapy, act therapy. It's very behavior analytic. And what I like about it, um, because it stems away from like the different like cognitive behavior therapies, where some of those will have you want to like kind of actually change your thought pattern or challenge that thought pattern and act as like, eh, it's intrusive. Like you're not in charge of those thoughts.
SPEAKER_03Every thought is an intrusive thought. We've been known to say, like I always say, Lindsay, every thought is an intrusive thought.
SPEAKER_00Our life thoughts. Exactly. Like, so that's why I love act. It's like, oh, I can have this wild thought. And I'm like, you're we're cool. It's just a thought, right? We don't know what like influence that. Um, I'm one of those people who like music can really, really change my mood, like from one moment to the next. Very until I'm like, oh, wait, is am I actually sad or is it because I have Taylor Swift on?
SPEAKER_03Um, which probably because you have Taylor Swift on. She is a billionaire after all. And one of the largest producers of greenhouse gas emissions.
SPEAKER_01Listen, leave my taylor before I love my taylor. He knows maybe beef.
SPEAKER_00Same, same. We even talked about Taylor yesterday. I'm like we did. Listen, but yeah, no, I think like going back to your question, Dave, of just like within Act, what I appreciate is like identifying those values of like what's important to you, right? And like for me, it's like my family's important to me, my friendships, my relationships are very important to me, community, giving back religion, my health. And honestly, like even like as I get older, like my I my civics, yeah, voting, like getting involved, knowing what's going on with the schools, like is that you know, it has such an effect on your immediate community. Um, and especially like I just I I love like advocacy for kids and for individuals with any sort of like disability is like probably like my the number one thing for me.
SPEAKER_01But last yeah, that we would be doing all of this as we get older that civics would become as important as it has. Seriously, it's a good thing, but it's just something that always makes me laugh. Like just 10 years ago, I would have never thought I'd be talking about politics on a podcast.
SPEAKER_03Like right, 76 episodes worth of it. Yes, yeah. Yeah, uh, yeah. No, Lindsay, something that I thought was really interesting that you said was around like kind of in other words, you didn't say this, but I'm this is what I heard about like kind of putting your money where your mouth is and like aligning your thoughts and behaviors. And when we were here in Chicago a month ago for the march on the DNC, we've talked about it in our Call Me Chicago episode, where we went with you, you invited us with your church to your soup group where we fed meals to the unhoused. And I see like your work, your mutual aid work out in the community, and you are creating the uh like you are the change that you wish to see in the world. And so I I have been known to say, like I always say, that in this country, the United States, that legality does not always equate with ethics. And so just because it's legal doesn't necessarily mean that it's ethical. And so I see you creating change outside of the system, outside of like the sort of like the legal political framework beyond just like casting a vote, which I think voting is just voting's easy to do, to show up every four years, just cast a vote, and then go back and like go back to sleep. Like you're actually doing the work and showing up for people. And so I'm curious, like, of your of your thoughts around like, can we even maintain our ethics and morals in this system of legality that I think is unethical and amoral? Do you think we can?
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah, I think that's a really good question. Um, yeah, and I think we can, and I think we absolutely have to. Like, I think that makes it even more important. Um, like as you say that too, I still am just like, I have the gut reaction of like, yeah, we have to. Like, we can't let we can't let the bad guys win, right? Immediately to the binary like approach of like good guy versus bad guy. Um, don't make me watch the Two Towers movie again, like the Lord of the Rings ones. But um, no, I wish it was that simple. But yeah, I think like we absolutely have to. And I think I've kind of been one of those people who I can be rule governed when I think it's a rule that should be followed. But there's a lot of rules where I'm like, this doesn't matter. So, like, for example, last what at last um soup group at one of the places where we we park the cars, um actually the it's one of the migrant centers where a lot of the migrants who come in are first housed in Chicago. And sometimes if we have extra, we'll give food there. But this time they had secure private security come out and they said, Are you guys here to drop off donations? And we actually weren't. We were going, we wanted to give the um the meals to the unhoused neighbors across the street. And I was like, because they're like, you can't park here. And I was like, we're good, we're good, like knowing like we can park here. This is they have no authority, they're not actually police officers there. Um, and so I just kind of like instead of challenging it or getting in that back and forth power struggle, I really was just like, Oh, I I totally see what you're saying. Give us five minutes, we're just running across the street, we've got our hazards on, like, we'll be right out of here, right? Where I'm like, you know, I think you have to have that confidence, I guess, or like the approach of like, you're gonna have to challenge the authority a little bit. You're gonna have to find those workarounds. Um, but that you can still do it in, I mean, sometimes, I don't think always, right? Like, but you can, you can try to do it in like that approachable way. But I think like if I if I would have been pushed or if they would have been like, you guys need to leave, I'd be like, eh, you don't actually have authority here. You are private security hired by this, and we're parked on the street. So, you know, I would play nice first, and then if nice doesn't work, then I'm gonna probably push back a little bit. But yeah, no, I think more than ever, you have to like, you have to still stand up for like what you believe in and what you um think is right. And I say this is like done, like as long as that's not hurting other people or yourself. Like if you want if what you believe in though, and like what you want to stand up for is like, okay, we want this population of people to no longer be alive, like right. That's a little problem with that. I would like you, I would like you actually to sit down. Um but but yeah, I think I more and more as I grow older and I see that like there's things I can control and things I can't control, that as long as people aren't hurting others or hurting themselves, you can do like it's your life, you know. And I can't tell you what you value or what you're gonna engage in, but I will still engage in my values.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think this is interesting because I've been, I think, wrestling with this question a bit as well, and it's like finding where is the slippery slope. Values voting, for example. I think voting I have I've had to detach my sense of values from voting in the sense of it's a strategic thing for me right now. And I think that the strategy requires compromise because I'm not voting for myself. I'm voting for someone or something that's supposed to represent me. But unfortunately, when the majority of the options presented don't do that, then what do I do? Which is why, again, I'm always so invested in primaries because I do believe primaries are about voting our values. But now it's like I realize that if I attach my value system or feel that I'm in a value deficit for voting for someone who says agrees with me 40% of the time, then I think it would actually cause a level of paralysis that I would never move. Um, and then actions, there's still a train reaction that happens whether I vote or I don't. And so I think it was just about me figuring out how much of this can I deal with. And do I have other things, other avenues to take action? And I think that's kind of one thing I enjoy about the podcast or doing these conversations is that hearing what other people say they listen, and it's like so cool to me that people even care enough. It's like I feel like I'm still able to have influence on the things that do matter to me that I don't feel are being addressed when I'm voting for certain people, or I don't know. It's like finding I try to find voting as one knob on the on the turn on the turn dial. I don't even know if that's the right words, but sure like because it's like because I haven't made it my entire thing, it's a little bit easier for me to be like, I still hate that they're doing this, so let me find This with that, but I need to do this on this end and pull the lever here. And it's exhausting because it can feel it could easily spiral to the point where you feel like you are slicing yourself up into many different things. And I think I try to look at myself as whole, and then I'm pulling levers and figuring out the best combination for right now. But that said, I understand people who don't view it that way, who view it differently. And I think that's the that's the big conundrum or dilemma. And I think that sometimes people on either side can too quickly judge the other or not be able to put themselves in someone else's shoes. And I don't like that because it's just like when people are like, oh, all Trump voters are racist, or all Biden voters are genocidal. And it's like, well, I don't think that that's the case. And that's why I said you kind of want to be careful washing an entire sea of people based on the worst aspect of a candidate that they voted for. Just ask them why they did it. And they might tell you, I might still disagree. But it might not have been because of the worst aspects of because at the end of the day, if every two business days I hear somebody saying they're gonna cause the end of the country, which of course is is foolish, but it's like, then yeah, I can understand if my jobs were were decimated and my middle class town was ruined, I can understand, at least in 2016, how someone could fall victim to a charlatan like that and not necessarily be for racial reasons. But at the same time, when someone speaks to your pain and then they erroneously connected scapegoat minorities, I can also see how that societal, I would say, weakened immune system, I think, as Miriam Williamson often calls it, how it can leave someone susceptible to the sickness or the virus that is that type of ideology. So I don't know. What are your thoughts, David? I'm curious.
SPEAKER_03You know, as you were talking, I was thinking about, and I've got a question for you too, Lindsay, as we kind of start to approach the end of this episode. It is currently budget season in Denver. The city is developing their 2025 city budget. And we're actually in Chicago right now recording this. And the mayor has described our city budget, and he'll say, a budget is a moral document. And the federal government's fiscal year is starting October 1st, their new fiscal year. So it's kind of budget season everywhere right now, if we think about it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
SPEAKER_02And eclipse.
SPEAKER_03We've had some big full moons lately, too. It could be everything's connected if we're looking for the dots. Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03Like I always say. Um, I love that. And and so I was thinking about this budget is the moral document thing. And there a budget is just numbers, line items, numbers, priorities, if you will. In the United States, our largest budget item is the Pentagon and our military in the city and county of Denver. Our largest budget item is the police and the sheriff, the sheriff's departments. I would imagine it's similar in Chicago. It's similar in every city in the in the United States. Last night when we were having dinner, we saw this wild, like it. I thought it was a parade at first. There were multiple police cars that with their sirens on coming down a busy street.
SPEAKER_00Police officers marching. Yeah, marching.
SPEAKER_03And then there were, yeah, individual offers officers. The first flag was one of the Blue Lives Matters flags with like the blue stripe, then the American flag, then I think the Chicago flag. And then there was also a flag that said suicide prevention awareness. And then there were more police officer cars behind them. It was so bizarre. And then this woman at the sitting at the bar counter behind us said, This is what our tax dollars are being used for, like shutting down the street at like 6 30 at night for for what? And I'm like, this is unbelievable to me. I literally said to everybody, I was like, we're all seeing this, right? Like, we're all seeing this. And so I was like, is this really what our tax dollars are being used for? Is this moral? Is this ethical? And so, like, in this same sort of vein around creating a budget or as a moral document, where would you love to see our tax dollars go? And like, where would you what would what sort of programs would you like to see prioritized in order for us to live in a more moral or ethical kind of world or even city?
SPEAKER_00Um, yeah, for me, that's like an easy question for me. Not easy to implement, but like, but yeah, as a behavior analyst, like the best the we always want to be preventing, right? And I think as a society, I mean, where I work as a human, we're often reactive, reactive, reactive. Um, and like there, the research is there, the data is there, the science is there. We know having grocery stores accessible, right? We know transportation, education, healthcare, all of those preventatives, keeping families together, right? Um, it all starts like as a preventative. And so all of that money into any sort of creation type program versus like a destruction type program, right? Like, are we creating our and be cre be actual creative with the approach too? Is it like we're creating jobs for some of the unhoused? Are we having the unhoused? Are we asking the unhoused what they need, how we can help them, right? Is that the other thing? Are we getting the buy-in from the community of like, hey guys, like here's what we see, this is what the research shows, this is what other programs have done. And what do you think would be helpful for you all here? Like, what's your number one need in the community? Um, but yeah, I think it's all about prevention and buy-in because you don't have crap if people are like, great, another program and they don't know about it. And you know, because that's the other thing. You could have all the money, you can have the best program in the world. But if it's not accessible and people don't know about it, then you just wasted a bunch of time too.
SPEAKER_01Makes sense. Yeah. 100% agree. 100% agree. And it's like people, I love what you said about asking them because so often we can be so paternalistic in the way that we approach things and think that we know better than the people who themselves are actually in the experience. And it's kind of like when we were there, that one person said, Thank you for actually feeding us, because so many people come to just pray and then walk away. And it's like a prayer is nice, but a meal is even better when you don't have any food. And I think that so often when we create these programs, because we create them with this sense of them versus us, it already demonizes the program instead of making it something universal that we celebrate that we have, while of course doing a lot of the mobilization around the communities that need it the most, it is about letting people know. So if you ever find yourself on this on in this situation, you have it too. It's not something just for quote unquote them. So yeah, I think that buy-in part is often left out of the conversation, public conversations for sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Dave, do you have like a last wrap-up question for Lindsay that you kind of want to bring it all home with? Summarize everything we've talked about.
SPEAKER_01I've always just pondered on that methical question. Is how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? And it still perplexes me to this day.
SPEAKER_03You know, I don't know. And lumber is more expensive now after the pandemic. So, like, exactly, can they can they chuck as much wood because of the cost of wood?
SPEAKER_01Like, these are the questions of our time.
SPEAKER_03What kind of wood?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Listen, and people have been pondering this for decades, and I don't know if I'm gonna be able to solve it on this on this quick episode. No, but in all seriousness, Lindsay, I really appreciate you bringing this conversation in and having this because I think ethics is something we people think about or say, but it doesn't, it often has morphed into just this concept similar to in the ways like democracy or blah blah blah. To me, it's like just words we throw out without really wrestling with what do they mean in the current context, because so many arguments are made on ethical grounds, whether it be abortion, immigration, and others, where it's like, well, the law says this, so this means breaking the law is bad. When we know that in many instances in history, there were laws that were legal, but we would now consider them immoral. Sorry, laws that were legal at the time, but we would consider the actions and the intent of those things to be illegal uh immoral.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, slavery was legal, segregation was legal, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so I think wiping out populations of people, yeah, yeah, the Native Americans. We we've dropped bombs on countries and just did it and faced no consequences. So I think it's important for us to keep an ethical framework or context in mind and really wrestle with what that means. What is a line? Where is that line where we've crossed over? And I think, especially given our current support for certain actions, that line is starting to fade and we're starting to normalize it. So I hope that we can bring this back. But I think starting here and then building on it, whether it be like, okay, what is what is America as a culture, what is spirituality, what is spirituality's place within real and within ethics and in politics, et cetera. I think there's so much room to grow in this potential series of conversations to have about ethics and morality in politics and getting back to a place of sanity, because right now it feels like politics isn't really concerned with what's happening to the people. It's simply it's a game, it's a theater game between two powerful people groups of people who will honestly be shielded from many of the results of their actions. And we are to blame. Like whenever it gets to the point where it's like I'm just not voting for it because the Democrats propose it or Republicans propose it, and it's void of any context of the actual content, we're in a bad place. Really bad place.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I agree. So yeah, when you said this will be an ongoing series, what I heard was Lindsay Tallman, you are welcome back. Anytime.
SPEAKER_02Any time to come and talk with us on Call Me Limbo.
SPEAKER_03Uh, thank you so much for joining us. Is there anything that you would like to plug or promote or actually talk about? Yeah, that we that we didn't get to.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, there was, and David, I know you watched it. Um, there was a really great webinar that I think on um managing your mental health during the election season. And I thought it was first off, it's free. It's out of this um East Coast, I think Boston hospital, and they give out a lot of like free resources. So um, I'll send that, I'll make sure to send that to you guys so you can link it. But it is fantastic. It is, there's just like great tips for just like everyday life. They're just I I highly, highly, highly recommend this if you have any, if you have an hour of free time um and are needing some tips on managing your mental health during this election season or just life. Um, but yeah, I would recommend that. Thank you guys seriously so much for having me. And I would love to come back on. Yes, you are our first returning guest.
SPEAKER_03Hey, thank you. So there's a pattern of behavior here. Speaking of recognizing patterns, there is a pattern of behavior here in returning guests. So we hope that you enjoyed this conversation with Lindsay Day and me. Thank you so much for listening and supporting us. If you enjoyed this episode, you can share it with a friend. Rate us five stars on the platform where you listen. Get in touch with us at Call Me Limbo Pod on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and threads and let us know how you are doing, maintaining your ethics and morality in this system. You can also support the show financially by becoming a Patreon member at Call Me Limbo Pod. We have three levels of support. And you can also send one-time contributions on Venmo at Call Me Limbo Pod. And you know, day. Before we go, I did want to give a shout out to this really cool cafe here in Chicago called Cafe Phoenix, F-E-N-I-X. It's woman-owned, Latina-owned, and it's a community center that also is like a cafe and like they do some amazing, like free programming. Zumba? Zumba, yeah, that we went to yesterday, had these amazing offagados. So good.
SPEAKER_00Life-changing.
SPEAKER_03It was amazing. And like again, I'm like, they're operating in this system and like trying to create a sliver of like moral and ethics in their little corner of Chicago. And I thought it was great. And I told them that I would give them a shout out. So I wanted to stay true to my word. And related day that I think is also it's a it's a it's a big ethical and moral question of my time and my life that I ask myself all the time. So it's like I always ask myself, why does Applebee's still describe one of their salads as oriental? Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02I don't think that's okay, and it's on the menu. I like that so bad. It's my favorite thing on the menu, too. So I have to say it. And I think it's unethical and amoral, but I still have to do it. This is not a plug.
SPEAKER_01You just point to it on the menu. Can I get that one?
SPEAKER_00Um with crispy chicken.
SPEAKER_01Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00It's a good salad, it's a great salad.
SPEAKER_01I'm mad that I know exactly what salad you're talking about. Um, due to my former life as a and as an Applebee's connoisseur. Hilarious.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we all we all had an Applebee's period. I miss. It was the you missed.
SPEAKER_03Yes, and that was the restaurant growing up that I thought was like fine dining.
SPEAKER_01Listen, honestly, I still think it is, but now it's chilies, they say, actually. So we'll see. But on that note, um, we thank you all so much for listening. And remember, when they go low, we eat good in the neighborhood. So call me limo.