Call Me Limbo
Call Me Limbo is your weekly dose of comedic therapy where pop culture and politics get tossed in a blender with personal stories, improv games, and zero chill. Hosted by Dai and David—two queer best friends with more opinions than filter—the show tackles everything from reality TV and music videos to capitalist hellscapes and Bad Bunny’s underwear.
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Call Me Limbo
Call Me Multidimensional with Sunkee Angel
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This week, Dai and David are joined by Sunkee Angel. Sunkee is someone who doesn’t just break the mold—she melts it down and builds something glittering and divine from the ashes. She’s a performer, a truth-teller, a trans icon — and honestly? A walking clapback to every hater who ever said we couldn’t live boldly.
From the pews of a Southern church to the spotlight of Los Angeles, Sunkee has carved a path paved with resilience, rhythm, rhinestones, and radical honesty.
Sunkee is not only shaking the room with her voice and dance moves, but shaking up conversations around gender, faith, HIV stigma, and what it means to live your authentic truth when the world tells you not to. She is a beacon, a baddie, and your favorite girl’s favorite girl.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of your favorite podcast. It's your boy Day.
SPEAKER_06And I'm David, and together we're gonna be up front so it won't be a fucking problem. This is Call Me Limbo. Today we are joined by an incredibly special guest, someone who we both really admire. And Day's going to introduce her.
SPEAKER_03Yes, today on Call Me Limbo, we are joined by someone who doesn't just break the mold. She melts it down and builds something glittery and divine from the ashes. She's a performer, a truth teller, a trans icon, and honestly, a walking clapback to every hater who ever said we couldn't live boldly. Um, she's not just shaking the room with her voice and dance move, but shaking up conversations around gender, faith, HIV stigma, and what it means to live your truth when the world tells you not to. She's a vegan, a baddie, and your favorite girl's favorite girl. Please welcome to the podcast, Sunky Angel.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I am here, honey. What's up? What's up?
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh. I don't even know where to start because Sunky, like, you have no idea. So anybody unaware living under a rock, you gave us one of the absolute best lines of probably the past two, three years when you told the people, I got titties at the top and dick at the bottom.
SPEAKER_01Yes, God.
SPEAKER_03Yes. If only you knew how much that changed my friend group circle in terms of like just the fun of it, the audaciousness of it, but more importantly, the fact that you're able to not just be provocative for the sake of shock and awe, but actually start and normalize a conversation.
SPEAKER_01Conversation, absolutely, absolutely. And I think too, that's really ultimately what it's about for me. You know, um, I've had some people like they're they'll question, like, is this like a shock bot? No, this is this is me. You know, this is me putting myself on display, kind of like, you know, being a beacon of light in my own way, you know, to start these conversations, because I think in the times that we're in right now, it's very important that we, you know, I that I'm standing on the front line in my own way through music, you know, through art, to have these conversations so that we can bring change, so that I can bring some change and you know, just get the people's minds going a little bit, you know. Music is the way. Music to me, I feel like a lot of, you know, I do comedy in my own way too, as the character Auntie Jackie, but you know, Sonic can be funny too. So I believe that comedy is the way to, you know, to unthicken the air in the room, so to speak, you know, with all the tension that's going on between, you know, the straight people, you know, the people who are voting for Donald Trump, you know, the the right wing and the people who feel like we shouldn't exist or we shouldn't be here, we shouldn't take up space. I believe that comedy is a way to to get it's not forced. When you got people laughing and when you're making people laugh, I believe that's the way to to kind of like bridge the gap with without coming off pushful or like pushy. You understand what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. No, I love that thing is like you make them laugh, you can also make them learn something, right? Embody that to the T. And there's definitely some more music questions because I want to make it very clear. It's something I always say about you is that you are actually a dope musical artist. Absolutely. Your bars, the things you know, it's not just how you do it. What you say is how you say it. And I'm like, no, shit, the bars are barring, the the lyrics, the cadence, you can sing. Oh my gosh, the background voice. We're definitely gonna talk about that. But oh yes, might be a little under, like not aware. I would say, like, you've lived so many lives in one lifetime. You mentioned the auntie Jackie, you had your pre-Auntie Jackie era, and now Sunky Angel. And I'm kind of curious, if you had to name this chapter you're living now, what would you call it?
SPEAKER_01I would call it, um, if I have to name the chapter now, it would be called Getting to Know Sun Key. And I say that because let's let's first make it clear, Auntie Jackie ain't gone nowhere, even though that was an era. But the era is not necessarily, you know, gone. She's just kind of, yeah, she's just kind of put, I put I wanted to put her to the back for a while because I feel like on this journey and people becoming to love Auntie Jackie so much with the piss on the floor, you know, the songs that have blown vibes and all, you know, that's known worldwide. Like people love that song all over the globe, you know. So I think for some time it started to feel like even though I love Auntie Jack and the character that I play, that's not who I am. You know, that's a part of me. So I wanted to focus more on Sun Key and who she is as an artist. You understand? Like, because sometimes some people they kind of when you were playing kind of like those roles, like kind of like Tyler Perry with Medea, sometimes people will kind of grow more to one side. And I and I have no problem with people loving Auntie Jack and people wanting to, you know, have more of Auntie and the laughter. But I I feel like I don't know, I just feel like as I'm maybe evolving, I feel like now it's time for people to understand Sun Key a little bit more on the serious side, even though she can be funny too. Because I mean Titty's at the top, it's funny you know, some of the things I say is funny, but Sun Key to me is really who I am, of course. And the music that I put out, it's more serious, if that makes sense. And I just want people to get to know me, not the character, you know what I mean of Auntie Jackie because Auntie Jackie, that's somebody I can cut on and cut off. Sun Key Angel, I'm walking in that 24-7.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. You don't want to be pigeonholed either. And you, you to me, you have there's so much about you as a person, and I think that's why your artistry resonates with so many people, is because same breath, you can make us laugh, you can be political, and and maybe that's because your life by living out loud, you don't really have a choice. But like, you know, unfortunately, the way people see the as you know, we're fellow members of the LGBTQ plus community, where it's like just living in our authentic truth has to make us makes us political because and so hats off to you for doing it all so well and in a way that draws people in.
SPEAKER_01So, yeah, I think for me, I've always I think when it comes to the political thing, I think that's always been something that has been a part of my journey. I've had, I'm very spiritual. I'm not Christian, but I am very, very spiritual. Um, things come to me, I dream things, like I've always been like a foreseer, like foresight, seeing things that I feel like other people may not have been able to understand. My brain and my mind is very, just very unique and out of this world, which is why I call myself the trans alien, because I feel like who I am as an individual, even though I am trans, even though I'm a trans woman, I don't even fit certain boxes that I feel like other people in the community may check for me as a trans woman. I don't fit in per se. And that's not always bad. I feel like I'm here to discombubilate all the things that people have put into place to, you know, well, they tell you you have to show up a certain way in order to be seen a certain way. I'm here to like disfigure all of that. You know what I mean? And I think when it comes to the political thing, that's been, I think like just me fighting against any type of system, whether wherever, no matter where it is, that's making people feel as though they have to conform, that's what I'm up against. And I don't care what direction it's coming from, that's what I'm here to. It's not a person, place, or a thing, it's a system, it's an idea that I'm deconstructing. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_03Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it really does. I'm thinking about one of our first ever episodes that we did was around religion and trauma, and we called it God doesn't hate me, you do.
SPEAKER_01Come on, now come on, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Those were days words. I gotta give credit where where credit is due. Yeah. But I talked a lot about I grew up in a rural conservative evangelical town of 8,000 people in western Nebraska. Yeah. Yeah. And it was it was really hard. And it was also where I learned the value of community. And I I'm curious, and Day talked about actually, I I had read as well before we started talking to you that your grandfather was the pastor of the church that you attended.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. And Day's grandfather was actually the pastor of his church that he went to as well. So and Day's also a musician and uh an improv comedian as well. So I just wanted to highlight the the commonalities here.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_06I I'm curious because I've talked about some of my own relationship with the church and you mentioned Christianity, but I'm curious how your relationship to the church and spirituality have evolved since you left the South.
SPEAKER_01That's a really great question. And where I'm at with that is first, I want to say I did a short film that we shot back in 2020 called Emotions of 2020. And it's because that that short film that I shot with my team here in Los Angeles basically highlighted some of the things that I've gone through. And it's like, you know, kind of touching on the realms of first of all, 2020 was the era that, you know, COVID spiked and, you know, it was a lot of stuff going on. But what I really love to touch on as far as this topic that you just brought up is religious trauma syndrome, which is something I think, I don't know if you know about that terminology or if you all have ever heard of it, but it's something that a psychiatrist by the name of Dr. I think her name is Marlene Winnell or Marnie, Marlene Winnell. I think she's out of the Bay Area. I did a lot of research on my journey leaving Montgomery, Alabama. You know, I'm from Montgomery, and that's the Bible Belt within itself. That's a very, very like, I love my city, I love where I'm from, but at the same time, it's very bittersweet for me because, you know, it's not as progressive as it is here in Los Angeles, you know, bigger states and bigger cities. It's it's very closed-minded, right? So the short film that I shot, it was basically touching on religious trauma and me learning about what that was because when I left Montgomery and came to Los Angeles, I didn't really know what was happening to me. I was having nightmares, waking up, you know, like it was so bad. My anxiety and the trauma, the PTSD that I was having because of what I was told from an early age, you know, was about like hellfire and all these ideas that they that's why for me, I feel like that's a form of this is just me speaking and keeping it real. I feel like it's a form of mind control, it's a form of mental abuse. Because if it affects you, especially when they get you while you're young, telling you certain ideas, that's it going, it goes back to that me deconstructing those ideas when people tell you you have to conform. Anything that's fear-based, that's telling you that you're gonna burn in hellfire for eternity, that's mind control and that's mental abuse. And it can affect you even into adulthood. So I didn't understand why I was having nightmares and having so much panic and anxiety just around the smallest things. And sometimes it would even put me in certain situations where I would even be embarrassed because it's like I'm having panic attacks at certain, you know what I mean, functions and things, and I don't want people to see me this way. Like just the anxiety of just being, you know, even though I am uh a figure and people know me all over and stuff like that, just sometimes even being seen by large crowds, it will sometimes trigger this thing that I just wouldn't understand, like what is happening to me. I love to perform, I love to be on stage, I love for people to see me. But there were times where it's like when all the eyes are looking, it's I it's like this thing that's triggered in me that I feel like it's it's so many, it's it's so much I'm trying to just barrel because it's so much I want to say. Like I feel like it can affect you all the way around, not just in one thing. It can affect your brain, depending on how it was the how Christianity is being administered to said whoever, said individual. Because everybody who may come from religion may not be traumatized, right? I think it's about how they implement these beliefs and how they put it on you and all that type of stuff. So for me, my mom wanted a son very, very bad, right? She wanted a child that she wanted a son, like she just wanted her son to be a man. I was the only quote unquote boy that she had. I have three other female siblings. So she prayed and prayed and prayed for a son. So my grandfather was the, you know, he was the head of the family basically. His name was Revan Al Dixon. He passed, I think, like in 2013. But he was like the head of our family and he kept everything, it had to be a certain way, you know, in our family. And I think it's like that, it's probably like that in a lot of families. I think in the black community, I feel like it's a little bit stronger, not to dismiss anybody else's experience, but I think when it comes to black people, for some reason, I don't know if it's because of the trauma or the things that we have gone through, and I don't know. But it's almost like they're kind of recycling slavery in a sense, like with the mind frame as far as how they're putting, you know, the thing, like putting that type of mind frame on people, passing it down. So for me, figuring out what was happening to me and having all these dreams and and everything that I went through has been very devastating because I it has affected me mentally in so many different ways that it's kind of hard to compartmentalize and to put into different, you know, I I really it's been a very hard struggle for me trying to, you know, just love myself and to embrace myself because of the things that they told me and about hellfire and burning, whatever, and all this type of stuff. And I'm 37, I'm 37 years old. So for me, I think it's a it's a beautiful thing to see myself evolving and blossoming to be able to get on these platforms and talk to people and to spread my message of uh learning about uh religious trauma and things of that nature, right?
SPEAKER_03For sure. I think what I love about that, Sun Key, is the fact that you I think how I relate, we have a similar upbringing in terms of like our how our family structure was. And I always joke that being like, because my grandparents raised me, I always say that when your grandfather is a pastor or like a respected figure in the community, you kind of go as a politician's kid. And this level of both the You have to be for me.
SPEAKER_01I don't know how it was for you, but for me, it's like, oh, you're gonna be like your granddad. It's like they want you to kind of be. They was almost, I feel like, for me, trying to make me a carbon copy of my grandfather. And let me say, my grandfather was very known, like he was also very known. That's really where I got my first name from, Diggy Doo. You know, I went by the name Diggy Doo before I became Son Key. Um, he was the first, I think the first to bring Michael Jackson to Montgomery at one point. He was the president of all the radio stations or something like that and all in the whole United States. Like he was very, very well known. He knew Michael Jackson's father, like Michael Jackson's father used to come to our church when nobody even knew it in Montgomery. You know, so he was very respecting, everybody knew him. But just him having that respect alone and people knowing him, it came with a lot of pressure for me to have to show up a certain way. So even just talking about it, you can probably hear me even being a little choked up and trying to figure it out trying to get my words together because it's so much that I want to say about this topic that it's kind of even hard to even put into words within just like, you know, just a paragraph. Like it's it's so much that even talking about it sometimes, it's a little triggering because it's it's it's detrimental to anybody's psyche to have to force somebody to live a certain way. And, you know, having nightmares, like I said, that was the biggest thing for me being even as an adult. I didn't know what was happening to me. And I started doing my research, and that's how I found out about um Marlene Winnell and religious trauma syndrome. Once I found out about that, it was a wrap because it's like it helped me and it allowed me to put into words what I had been going through all this time when I didn't even know what was happening to me.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I thank you for sharing that because I think it's way more common in not just the LGBTQ community, also just in the black queer experience. Yeah, people, you know, like I can relate to you. While my experience, I always joke now that I've encountered so many other stories. I feel like generally speaking, mine was much milder, but I that conflict, that spiritual conflict of I know who I am, but other people are telling me that the fearful, come on, way that I was made is a sin and that because on hell, but then if I just embrace that, then they tell me, then why are you excited? It's like all these different things and the goal and moved. And so I want to thank you for sharing that because it shows that even though you've done so much, you've done so much work, it's it's kind of like I think about little Richard. The you know, one thing I love reading about when I read about them is the fact that you know they always had that internal conflict. And I said, like yourself and others who are showing you are the dream of our queer ancestors, where you are that like, hey, we went through hell, but just know that there's there's a young person named Sunki out there now that's living out and living proudly in the ways that we never could, and so it makes our struggling, our struggles worth it in the end. So I thank you for speaking on that because it's something that a lot of times we talk about in private, but kind of transitioning to somewhat of a adjacent topic, but lighter is given all that you experienced, what role did music play in your healing and transition? Could you even speak on that? Sounds like your grandfather is where you got some of your musical.
SPEAKER_01I think it's definitely in the blood for sure. Um, because he had like a group, like way back in his time, he had like a group and everything. He was very musically inclined for sure. Like I said, he knew a lot of people. Like, if I was to talk to, I don't think is Michael Jackson's father still alive? I don't know if he, I think I don't know if he has, he passed.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he did.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I thought, I thought. So, yeah. So I was saying if I was to ever like, I never met him, I don't think, before, but if I was, I knew like it's a lot of people now that I'm here in LA who know my grandfather. I've mentioned, like, have you ever heard of like Al Diggs and they're black? Oh, yes, and Montgomery Alabama. So people definitely they know him. You know what I mean? So I feel like it may be some pass down, some something. I don't know. I've always been very musical. I remember my aunt telling me, you know, when I was young, how I used to always be humming in the back seat. You know, I was always, music was always music, always gave me joy. It it really did. Music, I honestly think it might have even saved my life at times. Music for me has always been a staple because I don't know, it's just always something like I'm like I said, I'm very spiritual. So just certain tunes, certain harmonies, and things of that nature just always was able to kind of put me in a relaxed state, depending on what I'm listening to. Listening, growing up, listening to people like Cisco. And even though I am a trans woman, there are I'm I'm so you know multidimensional that I still do, you know, hold on to some of my masculine aspects. Sometimes when I sing, I may sing in my more masculine tone. You know, when I rap, I might rap a little bit more masculine, but that doesn't have to define me. You know what I mean? And I've being honest, I've even faced some pushback from people in my own community where people have tried to invalidate my transition, telling me that, oh, well, if you don't have certain surgeries, or if you don't show up a certain way, then you're not trans. You're drag. You can't be a trans woman. So when I tell you in my experience, and it's no shade to anybody, I'm just here to deconstruct and to explain what I have gone through in my experience. I have seen it from every angle. It hasn't just been the straight people in my family. I have faced scrutiny from even certain people in my own community because they feel as though I'm mock mocking or I'm not looking or appearing a certain way. So when I say I'm here to deconstruct certain ideas, that's exactly what I mean. Because every trans person is not meant to look a certain way. Every gay man is not gonna look a certain way, but does that mean they're they're not gay? You know? Every trans woman is not supposed to look and have the same face. Every trans woman may not want surgery, every trans woman may not want a dick or vagina, you know? So it could go so many different ways. So I think it's just about respect and just learning to love and embrace people for who they say they are and who they're showing up to be. So yeah, music for me, that's these are the things that I'm using my musical talents to talk about. And I know sometimes it's gonna bring pushback because I feel like what I'm attacking is really deep. And to be honest, and I hate to say it, sometimes it even goes for people in our community as well.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. We see ugly things like the LGBT.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, just because we're LGBT does not mean that it makes everybody a good person. That's just your identity.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Yes, I just released an article kind of talking about that and the conservative gay.
SPEAKER_01I've even seen if we really want to get into it, where there have been situations where certain gay men don't really feel safe because they're telling them that they can't be feminine. You know, you can't show there are the mask fams, the masculine gays who are coming for the feminine gays or the quote unquote fat gays and no fats, no fams, and all this type of stuff, even for certain prize. They're putting on pamphlets. And if you every this is what I'm addressing though. Well, it's so deep. Because when I started really doing the research and really listening to other people, even in the gay community, gay guys who identify as gay and their struggles, it's like very synonymous to me because they're they're kind of going through what I'm going through in my own in a in a in a in a sense. It's a little different, but it's kind of similar as far as somebody telling you you have to show up a certain way. If you don't show up like this, you're not accepted. We don't see you. Yeah. Those are the ideas. Because when you when it when it all boils down to what I'm about, it's about coming back to the soul. Because that's what it's about. What I'm talking about is so beyond trans and getting your ass done and getting your face done and getting your lips pumped and y'all titties and dick. If even though I talk about titties and dick, I'm only talking about that because this is what people are fixated on, and that's how they want to conduce us down to oh, you got a dick between your legs. And it's like, well, yeah, I do. But that doesn't mean I have to identify with that. So since y'all keep talking about it, I'm gonna keep making music about it. I'm gonna keep addressing y'all, and I'm gonna keep talking about it, and I'm gonna get paid for it as an artist that I am. You understand? Since they don't know how to get off of it at times, I might just talk about my dick. I might just talk about my titties. Why not?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, why not? Right? Why not?
SPEAKER_01They're gonna talk anyway, they're talking anyway. They trying to destroy us anyway. They saying we don't matter anyway. I might as well. Then at the same time, these be the same people that turn around when a black trans woman or a trans woman is getting murdered, the first thing out of their mouths, they want to be quick to say, Oh, well, y'all tricked him. But then when I come out and make a song saying I got titties at the top and nigga the bottom, it's certain people still in the conversation, like, oh, this is sick. And it's like I've had to let them know this is another reason why I made this song to prove are we really the problem? Because y'all are the same ones saying that we. We are not, or that we're not disclosing who we are, but then I make a song and I'm bold and I'm promoting transparency, and then you still got a problem. So are we the problem?
SPEAKER_03Amen.
SPEAKER_01So everything I do, I'm very strategic because I knew they was gonna still have something to say, but I wanted to I made this song just to let them know, even when a trans woman is being up front, y'all still got a problem. So are we the problem?
SPEAKER_03And the answer is no. Absolutely, you are not the problem.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_06I love through your music, Sunky, and through just this conversation that we're having about how you like really do are actively making an effort to live your life without shame and guilt and stigma. And there's a line from your I am not a label song.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yes.
SPEAKER_06Which, oh my god, I've been listening to that all afternoon and just crying like that. Honestly, it it healed a part of me that I didn't feel needed to be healed. So, like, thank you for that.
SPEAKER_00Oh, don't make me cry because I will. I will.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, same, same. I have been. Um, but there's a line that says, It's not about if I'm a man or a woman, it's about the revolution that's that's common, yes. Yes, and I think, yeah, through this song, I think it's it's helped people break through a lot of shame. And what was, and in my mind, the revolution is is something that's that's bigger than me. And what was the moment that you knew all of this was bigger than just you?
SPEAKER_01I feel like I knew, like I said, I'm very spiritual. So I feel like about maybe the year of I honestly think it was probably around the time I actually came out about my HIV status within that song. HIV was something that, you know, of course, it's stigma and it was something I was always afraid of because at one point, again, my grandfather, I remember he called me in a room at church one day. Let me just say, I think I'm just gonna say it. My mom used to be in the bathroom sometimes with my sister, smoking weed and stuff like that. And I know they at times used to attack me. They would come, come, come at me crazy and stuff about me being who I was. So I remember going to my grandfather by him being the church and calling myself getting back at them and told him that, oh, I saw them in the bathroom smoking weed. You know what I mean? And he he he was very strict and was just like, you know, y'all can't be doing that type of stuff. So he ended up getting in their ass. So I remember writing a letter, I think, to a guy, I think, um, in junior high school or something like that. I forgot what age I was, but my sister got a hold of that letter and took it to my grandfather, I guess, to get back at me or whatever. That's what I did. All this little stuff, this is the stuff I'm talking about, all this little pity, petty little stuff, like little crazy stuff. This is my own sister, you know. She took this letter to my grandfather and told them that I was, you know, gay and that I'm writing love letters to guys and stuff like that. And he called a meeting after church. I didn't know what was going on. And it's crazy because my aunt at the time, she was like another, like a mother to me. And I remember she told me after this meeting, she was like, I don't like the way they did that to you. And I'm like, it was just so crazy. I never forget this. He called a whole meeting and had people in there telling my business and saying, Oh, you can't be gay. If you be gay, you're gonna end up with HIV and all this type of stuff. So that was something that stuck with me. And I think telling me that I might die or I might, you know, like punishment, which is something it's oh my god, it's so deep, it's so deep. Just even a thought of how I struggle in adulthood with HIV, even though it's something I know that you can live with, I know you can take your medication and be okay, you can live a long, healthy life, being positive. But the thoughts that have come in my mind, thinking that anytime something happens to me, or when I'm sick, or something, you know, I'm here when we all get sick, we might get atomic. It has been times I've had the smallest thing to happen to me in my mind. I'm battling in my mind where I'm thinking I'm being punished. Yeah, that's how deep it is. The smallest ailment, I'm thinking, okay, I'm I'm about to die. God is about to kill me. Like it's that bad, it has been that bad for me. Like, I kid you not, to the point people be looking at me like I'm crazy. Like, oh my god, I'm about to die. It's this thing or death. Like it's that's what I mean by the trauma. They put this stuff in your head, and nobody should live like that. That's no way for nobody to live. So that that was something that stuck with me when he had that meeting and had people in my business. It was it was my uncles, and nobody should have never, first of all, even been in that meeting. My aunt, I'll never forget. I went to the car. My aunt was like, I don't like the way they did that. And I remember just crying. She was like, I don't like that. I don't like that. So piggybacking off of what you're saying, fast forward, you know, year, I was diagnosed in 2014, but I came out with I'm not a label in 2016. Around 2014, 2015, I started, Spirit just started like speaking to my soul and my spirit, letting me know, okay, Son Key, you you finna have to come out. You about to have, I just kept hearing Spirit tell me, come out. Because first of all, there are gonna be people who, there are people who may know, and they're gonna love to try to use this against you. So you might as well go ahead and own it. You take that power away when you own you take ownership of your truth. Go ahead, because you know it's bitches out there that don't like you. They're hey, they they don't like where you're going, they don't like your life, they don't like this. There's gonna, they're gonna try to oppose you. So you might as well just go ahead and own it. So spirit just started just kind of like dealing with me, and then I started to see that the more I opened up and I became more, you know, transparent about what I was dealing with, that other people were, I was being a light, so to speak, to so many people. And that's when I started to recognize that this thing is so deep and it's so beyond Sun Key Angel. This is about me ministering, because my grandfather did say you're gonna be a pastor one day. But I don't think he, I don't think it was meant for me to be in the context of what he thought with me being in a church with a collar around my neck. I'm ministering in my own way, I'm preaching in my own way, but it just so happened I'm not in four walls of a building. Because to be honest, what I think that's constricting me. I'm not meant to reach a small number of people, I'm meant to reach the masses, and I started to see that you're reaching the masses with your message, you're touching people all over. People was like writing when I came out with I'm not a label, people, so many people was just like, oh my fucking god, like, oh my god, oh my god. You that touched me. You helped. I helped a lot of people own, and I'm still helping a lot of people own their status because of that song. And that's when I knew that's when I knew this is bigger than me.
SPEAKER_03I love that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, let me add that everything I thought that people was gonna hate about me, it was it didn't never happen. You know, sometimes we were, and I'm like, if I come out, people gonna you know, it made people love me more because of the level of transparency, and I think too, I know you think Charlie Shane is the only person that's positive in this industry. No, there are a lot of people that are positive, there are a lot of people that are positive, but but I feel like I'm here to again deconstruct those ideas to deconstruct the stigmas surrounded by trans women and HIV and just so many, it's not just one thing, it's so multi-fauceted, and it's not just about trans women, this is about humanity. Yes, it's beyond gay, straight trans. That's why I said I'm not a label, and and for the people in our in my community who may have come against me saying that I'm mocking the community because I'm talking about my dick and my titties, which we know is a lie because I stand for my community very hard. Yes, I really want to challenge people to really look at what I'm really doing and what I've been doing. Because to be honest, everything I've been saying from the very beginning is about the soul. It's beyond that. If you listen to I'm not a label, if you listen to the very beginning, I said it. I said, Why are we so focused on the outer appearance? It's not about that, it's about the soul and what's going on on the inside. And if you really want to get technical about it when you're talking about being trans, it's about what's going on in your brain, not your body. And I think a lot of people are so fixated on the body. It keeps if you listen to what I'm saying, it goes back to even like I said about certain people who are gay, about the no facts, no family. You got you can't be fit. It's people are so fixated on the body instead of the soul and what's going on in the brain. Because who I am, I felt like I was a girl from the time I was a child. It was in my brain first, though. I feel like who we are first, being trans, it's about what's going on in your brain.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely, and there's so much in that because we'll save this for another podcast day. Because I want to say that what you you hit on something that I I really actually you might have given me my inspiration for the next article. I was trying to find what I wanted to write about.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_03This idea and the and the concept of so much has become surface level and because if we really had to open the wound, I think for a lot of people, the fear of how much healing and what that work would require them to stay where they are. Because when you start really thinking about the fact that we have people in a marginalized community now trying to form some level of hierarchy.
SPEAKER_02Come on now, come on now, come on now, come on, come on.
SPEAKER_03It's crazy, but then we can wonder why there's so many physical exchanges and physical experiences lacking any sense of intimacy and and and community and emotion. Because at this point, I say, you know, they talk about the concept of the second adolescence. Many LGBTQ plus kids, we don't get to go through the normal rites of passages, so we never really learn that mind, heart, and body connection. Right. And then we wonder why we feel so empty and so disconnected.
SPEAKER_01So that's what I'm that's that's it right there. And it's just like, so you uh, and I'm I'm and again, this is no dig to nobody. This is my experience. I have been literally attacked, where it's like it's seemed like it's groups of people that have come for me. Like, and I believe personally is because they didn't expect me to be where I'm at, to be honest, like as far as the level of visibility and everything that I'm doing. I think a lot of people, you know, talk shit and look down on me, and they some people just didn't see it for me. They thought I was a joke, they thought it was a joke. Because Auntie Jackie ran around, and if you look at Auntie Jackie, she kind of does give you like a Shenana vibe or like a Tyler Pierre, you know, the the guy in the wig. And that's what it was at one point, but that's not what it is today. How I see Auntie Jackie today, even though I was inspired by the Jamie Foxes and the Wandas and the Shenana's, that's a character. That's not who I am. And I feel like being a trans woman, I have a right to be able to play with the multidimensionalities of who I am and my wholeness. And I don't have to just be feminine all the time. I am a woman. But what's wrong with me being funny and showing me being multidimensional? I was born male at birth. I don't deny that. I am a woman, but at the same time, like I just said, sometimes I sing in my my lower voices, you know, sometimes I rap in my, you know, lower tones, and there's nothing wrong with that.
SPEAKER_03We don't limit Tony Braxton or Jasmine Sullivan. Right. Or men who can sing really high.
SPEAKER_01Like I have had people right in the community, honey, not just like recent, coming to my page. You're a man, you're a drag queen, you're not really trans. You're not look at that wig. And it's like, well, first of all, yeah, sometimes I do wear big wigs, but there are some drag queens who are trans. So what are you saying? So I think some of this, of course, you know, you deal with envy, you didn't, and it's with all the things I'm doing. Of course, let's just be real. You know, envy comes with your when you're blowing up and you're doing great things. People see sometimes people they want it to be them, but I cannot help that I was blessed with the gifts that I have.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_01But at the same time, you can't blame me and try to make it seem like and try to, you can't invalidate me. There was one girl come to find out, I'm gonna try to keep it brief, from Connecticut, who came on page and was coming at me all day. And I'm like, who is this? Who is this bitch? And I I after doing my research at the time, I'm famous now. People know me. So sometimes if I make a statement and I'll post a picture of somebody who might be antagonizing me on my platform, the gag is at this point now and where I'm at today, there might be people who might know these people. And that's exactly what happened. This lady, trans woman, came for me and was coming at me hard. You ain't no fucking, you ain't no motherfucking trans woman. You you don't belong here. Now, this is a trans woman now in Connecticut. I've never seen her a day in my life. And in my mind, I'm like, is somebody targeting me? Because it feels like I'm being targeted, low-key. Because it's coming from my own community. Now, these are these are my struggles, right? This is what I go through.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01Come to find out somebody hit me up and was like, to be honest, honey, she's doing all this, but I know exactly she the person told me not to tell, you know, who it was that was telling me this information. Come to find out they something happened, I think, some years back where she ended up sexually assaulting a person with special needs who was 16 years old. So you're telling me that I don't belong, but then I'm the type of trans woman that Donald Trump wants to get out of here, but I don't have no record like that on me at all. You see what I'm saying? So I'm not gonna lie, certain situations where sometimes I might have to get in, you know, I might have to put a people a few people on blast because I have to stand up for myself sometimes. You understand? Because when you're constantly under attack, not only from the straight people, but it's coming from right within the community and the people who are feeling like they're so fish and they're so cunt that they got all this work done, they want to look down on other people who they feel is not passable in their eyes or whatever construct they have in their mind, it's wrong. It's wrong, and especially to come for somebody like me when I don't do nothing but stand up for my community. So I just want y'all to understand that it's complex for Sun Key Angels, it's not easy, and it's not just coming from outside. It's sometimes the call is coming from without what's inside the house.
SPEAKER_03Absolutely. And I will say before David, um before we David asked the last question before we stick around fun game at the end. I just want to do this new thing in Pride Month. You know, people always say we're gonna give you your flowers, um but I'm gay month, so we're gonna give you glitter. Okay, I just want to say that, you know, that I when they say, you know, you grew up in the church, when they say favorite ain't fair. I really want to say that no matter all the obstacles and the things that you are going through, I want you to know that I hope you know that those watching and supporting you, that we see you, we appreciate what you do, the things that you are doing are making it so much easier for people that'll come after you. But more importantly, you deserve to experience the joy and really take in all that you're doing while you're doing it. Sometimes it's hard for you. I always say you did Martin Luther King know he was Martin Luther King just like that.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right. You know, it's crazy. You say that because I was I was talking to um someone who makes some of my bigger wigs. Um, and she was like, you know, you know your son key, right? And I'm just like, yeah. She's like, well, you know, sometimes when you're there, you don't know it. You're there, you know, you there and you deserve the same thing you say, you deserve to get your flowers, you deserve it. But sometimes I know when you're in it, it's kind of hard to take it in. It's kind of hard to know that you are you, you know, you you where you at, you know. And I really understood that.
SPEAKER_03Good, good. So never let the noise be louder than the music.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. And I try not to, but it hasn't been easy, you know. And and I think too, like I said, I think when you look at all the greats, they go through it. When you look at every it's it's a very synonymous situation. You look at Michael Jackson, all the the people who I feel like were the ones making a real impact in this world, they go through it in some type of way anyway. Martin Luther King, he went through it. Michael Jackson, they said he was fucking the children. You know what I mean? Like when you it's like, well, damn. So you kind of have to. I honestly think that when I look back and I was when I look back at the dreams I was having as a child, I didn't understand why I was having dreams and nightmares about people standing across the street in black hoodies in a group, always following me, trying to come for me. I honestly think spirit or something was always was trying to like not necessarily warn me, but kind of let me know that you're gonna have to deal with some things that you, you know what I mean, you may not understand as you continue to evolve and grow. That's what I mean by spiritual. I've always seen things and I never understood, like, why I keep having these dreams. People across the street in black hoodies, like following me, like they gang stalking me. Like I'm being, you know what I mean? They on my case too hard. And I believe spirit was like showing me along your journey, you're gonna have some battles. You know, you're gonna have some battles. People are gonna stalk you, they're gonna, they're gonna come for you. They're gonna come for you.
SPEAKER_03You're also gonna have those angels and those spirits.
SPEAKER_01Right, right, right, right. But you're gonna right, you're gonna have the people that's gonna right. You're gonna have the people that's gonna stand with you too. So I I strongly agree. I strongly agree today. You're absolutely right.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, well, I was gonna say, look at you now, because you're performing at San Francisco Pride on Saturday, June 28th. Yes, and I getting your glitter there, and like, how are you feeling about that? Because I like what an amazing opportunity.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I'm really, really excited. You know, last year we had the opportunity to come down. We did a smaller stage um for it was the Trans Pride, um, hosted by uh Nico Stormant. And I don't know if you guys know who he is, but he's a trans guy who's like, you know, he's very like vocal in the trans man world. And he, I'm really thankful for him and what he has done for me and just really pulling me in to get me on those stages to connect with my team. You know what I mean? I think it's very good and it's a good thing for the trans community that I'm able to, you know, get on that stage and tear shit down because you know I'm coming, I'm gonna fuck it up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER_01And you know, anytime I put on a show, I always put that everything that I do is always that message. I'm always addressing something. Like you were saying, the the songs and the bops are gonna bop. But in everything that I do, I just feel like it's important for me to put a skit or something in my show mix to address the noise. Because I feel it gives people in the audience a sense of empowerment, which is what I've seen in my experience. So I'm really, really excited that I'm on the big stage to share, you know. You know, about to be on the stage with uh Michaela and all the rest.
SPEAKER_06Yes, yes. Well, I hope you are really, really proud of yourself because you should be.
SPEAKER_01I am, I am, I am. You know, of course, you know, the noise is gonna be there, it's gonna be there. That's just what it is. And I think I've I've begin to make peace with that. I think my perspective is changing a lot. I think I'm learning that even the haters and the people that have come for me inside and outside of community, I'm learning they were part of the the story too. They were part of the journey too. We need that. Because if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't have been the person. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have evolved like I'm evolving, to be honest. They are sometimes the people that come against us, we we need it. That's they are the ones, honestly, they are the ones. If think about it, if no superhero that like we we have to have something that attacks us, that comes against us in order for us to be enlightened. That's just the bottom line. Because without that, then who would we be? We'll just be just you know what I mean. We would we wouldn't have no, we wouldn't learn no nothing, you know. So they're the ones who actually have pushed me to evolve.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I love that. So I think that is a great way to in this the flamboy part of the interview. I hate to say it like that, but kind of speaking because you you drop so many good nuggets. So I think it's important. So we have a game just for you. Um I'm a millennial, so it's now that's what I call angel. So we just want to have like some rapid fire questions to get Sunki's gut instincts on these. So I have like three or four. We'll finish the sentence style. So the first one is my go-to self-love anthem is Are you saying like this will be like uh my music or yeah, it could be your song, it can be a song that you love from another artist, any of it.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I'll say you can't break my soul by Beyonce.
SPEAKER_03I love that one. That's a good one.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03My next one, let's see. When I walk into a room, I want people to feel loved.
SPEAKER_06How about being trans means?
SPEAKER_01I would say being trans mean first being able to identify that it starts in the brain. That's that that that right there is in the brain first, more than anything is being trans is not your body, it's your brain, and everything else comes second, as far as if you want to build to become more closer to who you feel you are on the inside, but it starts at the brain.
SPEAKER_05Simple. I love it. If they hate it, I just wait, say that again. If they hate it, I just blank.
SPEAKER_06Wait, I I yeah, like basically, what do you do to protect your peace? Okay, I protect my peace this way.
SPEAKER_01Okay, I protect my peace. Okay, just wanted to understand. Okay, so I protect my peace, first of all, meditating. Spiritual baths. I love to do spiritual baths. I've noticed that I love hot water. Hot water is something that really like soothes my body and my brain. Um, you know, some people may do like Epsom salt baths. So I do the Epsom salt, the oils, you know, whatever I feel like I need to do. Um, sometimes you can go online and look up, like, you know, for the spiritual people. They'll do like different oils and stuff like that. And it's it's very spiritual for us, you know, to some people do it as like a ritual to, so to speak, to kind of get the negative juju off of them. You know what I mean? And I I strongly believe that that has definitely been a huge part of me. There have been times I'll be feeling like it's I feel heavy and don't know what's going on. I feel like if I just left an event or something, it's kind of heavy. I do my spiritual bath, and that helps me so much. I feel so much better after I get done.
SPEAKER_03I love that one. Okay. Well, listen, the last one is simple. Maybe we'll see. The last one is Sun key is link.
SPEAKER_01Sun key is the sun key is a lot of things, but the main thing I feel like that sun key is whatever catch you, whatever hit you. Okay, give me a second. Because I want I I know I really like to think about questions like this. I don't want to just say something really fast. I feel like that's fake. Like, oh, I just want to give y'all something to just get y'all out of the way. I really want to think because there's so many things that Sun Key is for real. And I really feel like the main thing that Sun Key is is Sun Key is multidimensional.
SPEAKER_03And I would I would totally agree as a suggestion.
SPEAKER_01She is. She's multidimensional, honey.
SPEAKER_03Yes, she is.
SPEAKER_01She has many faces.
SPEAKER_03And all I love on beat. Yes, yes. Bunky, you have been such a joy, such a an inspiration and a light in this. I know that our listeners are going to get a word and get a laugh. Um yes.
SPEAKER_01And I just want to say I love y'all so much. I really, really enjoy y'all's energy. I really do. Y'all are so beautiful. I love y'all's energy. And anytime y'all want me, I don't care, just hit me up and let me know. I love to come on and and to fellowship with good people. First of all, y'all are good people, y'all have really good energy. And just to me, it's it's it's about purpose at the same time. But for me, it's just like being around good people and being able to push the message forward. And anytime y'all need me to come through, I'm I'm if I'm free, of course. Y'all got me. I just I love the energy here.
SPEAKER_06Thank you so much. That means a lot. Consider the invitation always open.
SPEAKER_01Yes, anytime I'm in anytime I'm down there, I got to meet y'all. I gotta meet y'all for sure. Got to.
SPEAKER_06Yes, yes. We'd love to. We gotta let you know. Like I'm in Denver, so I'm a little bit closer, but somewhere within it.
SPEAKER_01But so both wait, both of y'all are not in Denver?
unknownNo.
SPEAKER_06We met when we lived in Atlanta.
SPEAKER_01Oh, oh, okay.
SPEAKER_06Um like 10, 11 years ago, something like that.
SPEAKER_01Oh, wow. I thought y'all in the same place. I didn't even know you was in it. Ben had been to Atlanta.
SPEAKER_03It was like a lifetime ago, two lifetimes ago.
SPEAKER_01Oh my god. So yes, yes. Let me know anytime y'all are here. I got to meet y'all. Y'all give me good good juju, and I love that.
SPEAKER_06Well, thank you. So, yeah. Well, Reverend Sunkey Angel, where can people follow you and support you and your work?
SPEAKER_01Yes, absolutely. Of course, um, Sunkey Angel334 on Instagram, Sunkey Angel334 on TikTok. By the way, 334 is my area code. Also, just released a song by the name of Montgomery, which you can just see. I just it's wonderful.
SPEAKER_06I listened to it the other day, and I was like, it's just it's like an evolution of like you're it's beautiful, yes, beautiful, yes, yes, especially the ending where I touched on some of the things I was just talking about, how how the guys they called me sissies and stuff like that, and me just letting it go and also taking them off the hook as well, because I believe that there have been times people have done things, we're all grown now, right?
SPEAKER_01But some of the trauma it sticks with you, and sometimes you think that these people are still the same, and that may not be true. And I think on my spiritual journey, just like spirit is letting me know, like where I'm at now, just like you've changed and evolved, give people room to change and evolve as well because they may not be who they were once when you remembered them, right? Some people don't change, but some people do. So this is very this is this is growth on my end because for so long I held on to that trauma of me being jumped on and beat up by the age of 15 by a grown man. You know, I I went through a lot in Montgomery, and they know, they know, but I'm not allowing it to take over my mind and live with a condo on my head at this point.
SPEAKER_03Yes, no free ride.
SPEAKER_01So yes, Montgomery, check that out. It's a very dope song. Me talking about Montgomery, Alabama 334. Y'all know I'm from Montgomery, Alabama, baby. That's where I'm from. So yeah, check that out. Um Sun Key Angel34. You can look it up on YouTube as well as Sun Key, Facebook Sun Key. And yeah, that's that's that.
SPEAKER_06Yes. We'll put links to everything in the show notes, and so that way people can go listen to your music and go follow you on Instagram and subscribe to your YouTube channel. I subscribed earlier today. And I've just been streaming all your music. It's been it's been wonderful. So, Sunky Angel, thank you so, so, so much for having me. If you enjoyed this episode, feel free to share it with a friend. Rate us five stars on the platform where you listen. Get in touch with us at Call Me Limbo Pod on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok threads, and Rednote. Subscribe to our Substack, substack.com slash call me limbo pod. You can also become a Patreon member, get early access to the episodes and some exclusive content. Patreon.com slash call me limbo pod, or you can send one-time contributions on Venmo and Cash App. And day and sunky, you know, like I always say, stay feral, stay fabulous, stay free. Yes, yes, yes. So I only use that one for very special occasions, by the way.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03Well, I'm honored.
SPEAKER_01I'm honored. I'm honored.
SPEAKER_03Y'all thank y'all so much. And remember, when they go low, we piss on the floor. Oh, call me limbo.
SPEAKER_00Yes.