Call Me MILFin' & DILFin' Across America

This week, Dai and David enter their daddy eras by get their nipples licked, experience the difficulties of MILFin' and DILFin' across the country, rebrand the midlife crisis, greet the airplane wing animals by saying hi, fly Biscuit Class, find joy even amongst all the despair, and discuss the role of pets in our lives, travel experiences, Timothée Chalamet, humanities and the arts, municipal sentencing reform in Denver, nuances of national identity and patriotism, equality in war zones, MAGA moms, antisemitism, the pledge of allegiance, and much much more.

Denver could reduce max sentences for low-level charges (Denverite)

Colorado Supreme Court rules that municipal sentences may not exceed state sentences for equal crimes (Colorado Public Radio)

Dai's Singing Group X Factor Audition Video (YouTube)

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SPEAKER_01 0:26

Hello and welcome back to another episode of your favorite podcast where we speak about nonsense and you continuously listen. Yes. Who are you? This is Itch Aboy Day.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

And I'm David, and Milfin ain't easy. Listen. Oh, it's not. This is Call Me Limbo. I've been thinking that. Oh my God. I've been thinking about that all like week. My friend Jessica and Patreon member Jessica as well. So thank you for being a Patreon member, Jessica. She knows someone where she lives that has a bumper sticker that says Milfin ain't easy. Oh my gosh. And every time I think about it, I just laugh out loud. And then I start to think about like the like personalized, customized license plate that I saw, gosh, probably a year or so ago now that I've mentioned once before on the podcast, but it was the personalized license plate was busy. But it was spelled B-U-S-S-I-E. And I was like, that's probably how it got around the like the approval board. But yeah, I don't know. Do you find MILF and MILF and easy?

SPEAKER_01 1:46

I mean, to be honest, by nature of anatomy, I think DILFing would be harder. Sure. But being a MILF, I mean, you know, I have no experience personally in it, but I could only imagine because it's like you get it from the men your age or the people your age, you get it from the youngins wanting to be, it's a lot, you know. I don't know. I haven't reached, in the words of Brittany, I'm not a boy, not yet a d a daddy, you know. So I'm in this interim phase. So I'll have to let you know. You've talked about entering your daddy era. So like it's very different.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

I'm leaning into it because like previously I used to like always like shave my chest. I was like very, I probably had extended twinkhood, as you as you might be able to say. And I was like, there was just like one day in the last couple of years where like I just switched and I was just like, you know what? I'm just gonna trim this. But like once I found my first gray hair though, oh yeah, I gotta go. Oh God. I was like, I was like, I'm about ready to take this all off again. But yeah, I was like, I was like, I I'm kind of enjoying it. I'm someone last week didn't call me daddy, but called me a bull. And I was like, oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

I feel so I like this.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

I dated a guy from um near Philly, and so they say young bull a lot. Oh like they use like bull at like as a fra term of endearment. Like, what's up, my bull? We're like, I'm not good at using it properly. Shout out to anybody in Philly listening, but that's wild. Yeah, it's probably the only positive thing I can say about that person, and we'll leave it there.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Um yeah the glimmers still exist. The glimmers always exist. That's the thing. Even in times of horror and terror and awfulness, you can still find something. Something. Kind of nice.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

You know, we're in the middle of of of war and and nonsense. So I don't know. I thought about today. I was like, what do what do I want to talk about? It's so much going on that I'm just like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

No, I I think that's very real. Cause I was like, I was thinking too about, I was like, what do I want to talk about? I was like, I have a couple of things like on my list that are that are related. But I was like, yeah, I was like, it's just been harder and harder to like find like joyful things, I think. Cause I was like, God, like things are so much more expensive because of what we're doing to people across the the world. Our tax dollars are being used to fund, continuously fund war and genocide. Like we, the planet is warming. Like, what? Like, what's the point? What are we doing? Like, I just yeah, my therapist, my my first therapist, since I when I restarted going back to therapy, said, um, I was talking about like having a midlife crisis. And she was like, Well, some people call it a thrisis now, a crisis in your 30s. And I was like, why are we trying to rebrand the midlife crisis? Like, can't we just call it a midlife crisis? But like I always say, Day, why are we trying to rebrand the midlife crisis?

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Listen, let me have something, okay? Let me have something.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Yes. Yeah, let me just have my midlife crisis in peace. Stop adding to it. Um, yeah, but I yeah, I was like, I feel like I've worked through a lot of my midlife crisis stuff, but but like the the existential thing that's remaining is like, what's the point? What's the point? Like, because it was like, it's hard like to not fall into despair. It's so hard not to just fall into despair. And I was like, and then I'm I am reminded, I was like, I have amazing community around me and people. And I was like, I just I I can't give up. Like I have to keep, I have to keep going. I have to keep going. And I think about it, I was like, if not for me, for my cat. Like I've said this before, I was like, Phoebe is the only thing keeping me out of jail. Like I always say, Phoebe's the only thing keeping me out of jail. And I was like, because I was like, I, you know what, and I even said to her this morning, I was like, thank you for getting me out of bed. Like I said, I said at this time, not in the middle of the night. I said I had to clarify. I had to clarify.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Let's not, let's not adjust the clock schedule. Does sleepy, does sleepy, does Phoebe like to sleep? Oh, she loves to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

And she loves to sleep on my lap, which I love, which I love. And I've noticed that, like, here's another glimmer. That I was like, when I when I nap in the afternoon, when I take my afternoon nap, because I'm now a senior citizen, now I'm closer to senior citizenry than I am my teenage years. But I I very easily fall asleep for naps when she's laying on my lap. But then at night, like nighttime when I'm like ready to go to like full sleep for like a several hours, she'll sometimes come, it's maybe half and half the time. She'll come in and like lay on my lap. And I was like, it's really hard to like fall asleep then. So it's like I let her kind of stay there as long as I can until my legs kind of start to get a little sore. And then I'm like kind of have to toss and turn, and then she's offended. And does she sleep if you put like a little bed on the bed? You know, she has like a couple of little like huts, like little caves that I've like fluffy kind of caves that I've gotten her. And those are on her bed. Phoebe has her own bedroom for anybody, anybody wondering. And she is. Well, she has her own designated bedroom. She has access to all the other bedrooms. But it's Phoebe's house. It is how it is her house, and I just pay the rent for her. Yeah. Um, but like I I haven't tried that, like putting up a little bed like in the same bed with me. Because I like to toss and turn. I like to move. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

You know, I write about pet stuff, so I have to send you some things that I see.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Right. Yes. Please only send me. You know, I don't love to participate in consumerism, but only send me a link if you get like a commission from it. I get a user code. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

But the viewership, right? You know, clicking it for the viewership does help. Okay, so then a commission. Um I am actually in a like people know I don't have pets, but I am in awe of how much there is for pets. Like, I didn't I didn't, and actually, to be honest, I'm in awe of some of the luxury items for pets. Like, I write about those sometimes. I'm like, this is really good.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

What have you seen? Phoebe.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

There was a Gucci uh shirt for pups. There are some other brands that I really like that I think do really good work for um more higher-end items. I think Roughware is it? Like R-U-F-F, I think is one. Coco Pup London is one of my new favorites. I think their stuff is adorable and well crafted. It's not too pricey, but it's it's really well done. Yeah, so there's some other ones. I'll have to find them. They're, of course, because I'm trying to tell you they're escaping me. But there are a few like.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

These could also be like gay brands.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

Rough pups. You know what? Drop pup. Like, yeah. I never thought of that until you just said it, but yes. Yes. That actually could be.

SPEAKER_02 9:21

Allies of the homosexual lifestyle.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Yeah. And then they have like cool, like there was this. I get PR stuff for like these self-cleaning litter boxes that look pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 9:34

Um pretty litter sucks, from what I've heard though. So pretty pretty litter, I've heard that that's not great.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

It's not the one that I heard of. Okay. Okay. I have to find it because I wrote about one of those. So yeah, it's it's really interesting. And then like the cool car stuff, like to keep them secure. Um, I'm actually about to write about there's a new uh there's an airline that is offering like specific higher class flights for I don't know if it's going to be cats as well, but I think it's called biscuit, um, like biscuit class or something. I have to look, I haven't, I'm getting ready to write it after we finish. So I think that's really cute. So I have to check that out and what that entails.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

I just hope there's not surge pricing on like the biscuit class. Because I've heard like airline tickets are out of control. And I was like, you know, I'm a man of the people day. And so I sit back in the back like cattle, like everybody else, just to remain in touch with the people. I was defended. Yeah. I did just recently get, I literally, I was like, finally, I was like, my my self-employed business is like consistent enough month to month now, where I was like, I'm I was like, I'm at a point where I was like, I can get a business credit card and just pay it off every day.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

Congratulations.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Thank you. And I got one with like travel benefits. And so I still can't bring myself to pay for a credit card with an annual fee. I can't do it. I can't do it. And I was like, and I also don't want to be locked into like one specific airline because I was like, I default to whatever's cheapest. Like I don't care what airline I fly on. I do care what type of aircraft I fly on.

SPEAKER_01 11:16

You know, that's fair. Honestly, I would say that I was similar. I I think now that I've gotten I've flown more, I am starting to have uh airline preferences, which is weird. Okay. But I won't say it in case I ever need to get a sponsorship from another one. Sure, but I'll tell you it off air. No, I've learned I like Delta. I think I I feel like Delta is the one that I haven't had issues with.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

Delta is elite. Delta is elite. It's expensive, though. I think it's expensive. Here's the thing though. When I when I lived in Atlanta, it was really easy to fly Delta because that's their like hub and their headquarters. Here in Denver, it's much easier to fly Frontier and United because like both of those are major hubs here. Frontier's based here. But I was, and I think I've talked about this on the podcast before. This is a hot take. I really like to fly Frontier. I really, yes, I really do. They've never had like a fatal crash ever. And so it's like their their airline safety record is very safe. They only fly Airbuses, and their tickets are great. Yes. And so, like, and then with their new little, this is not an ad. This is like, but with if they want it to be, feel free to email us at callmilimbopod at gmail.com and we can put together an invoice.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

We do add, we do actual advertisements. That's something people don't know. We do actually write marketing scripts for these companies.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Yes, we do. Yes, we do. And you know it's funny, is like, so Frontier has the animals on the like the back of their plane. And they always like they're cute. I again I'm a nervous flyer, but I was like, I always feel a little bit better when the picture of the animal is like a flying animal, like if it's a bird of some sort. I'm like, you know what? This is alignment. I'm ascending. This animal is going to like also use their flappable wings to get us there. And here's the thing too. I was like, I'm a nervous flyer until the ding goes off at the 10,000 feet mark. And then, like, once you're like, okay, you've reached 10,000 feet and they go ding, ding, it's like two dings. And um, and I was like, huh, okay, like the most dangerous part of the flight's out of the way. But there was one time I was on a frontier flight, and I thought it was so funny. And my I like had to whisper it so I didn't get arrested. But there was an animal like on the back of the plane. It was a jackrabbit, and his name was Jack. And so I said, I said, you know, if I was the flight attendant, I would get on and say, we're today, we're flying with Jack, the jackrabbit. Everybody say, Hi, Jack. Hi, Jack.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

When I tell you, you would have landed with an escort, okay? They would have had you off the plate. Now, in fairness, it is a good one. I do feel like there are people who would have appreciated your humor. Thank you. And maybe because and this is not to sound classes, but I think Frontier people would probably have a better sense of humor than if you did that on like a Delta. Probably honestly, I think you're probably right. Or worse, no pun intended on American flight. But yeah. Might have might have had you. Did I ever tell you my flight horror story? No. Oh my gosh. So I'll never forget it. Flying back, um, it was something when I was doing the X Factor show, actually. And we were flying. I think we were flying. Day is internationally famous, by the way. We were flying home. Okay, I believe. And so we're getting there, and we're like, you know how the plane you're doing to descend? Yeah. We're almost at the ground. Like, and I'm saying when I say we're almost at the ground, I mean we are almost at the ground. Out of nowhere, that plane does a woof and the wings like go left, right, like they're about to hit the ground. The entire plane goes, Oh my gosh. Thankfully, did not crash. Yeah. It was so bad. You know how like the pilot opens the door and comes out? No. They stayed in there. They knew. They knew. Because like I have never been on a plane where people like screamed. Yeah. And I've never experienced such a jerk. Like, I really wanted, I was like, did somebody sneeze? Like, what happened to cause that? No idea. But yeah. My friend still does not like to fly because of that experience, actually. That I went with. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible. So I'm still grateful that I'm alive. I'm glad that it didn't scar me, knock on wood from flying in general. My favorite part about a flight is when it's back when it's on the ground to the destination. So it's like, okay. Taking off definitely is terrifying if you think about it. Like I remember my first time doing it. I was like, oof. But it I kind of treat it like a like a video game. I try not to think of it as the dangerous part. I don't know. It's weird because it is. But in my brain, I like try to treat it like it's like.

unknown 16:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Because I don't like roller coasters. It's the closest thing to enjoying a roller coaster that I can, I feel I have.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

Yeah. But you maybe, maybe you could reframe it as your astronaut training. Because you wanted to be an astronaut. That's right. Yeah. I like that. I'm going to use that. And as friend of the podcast, friend of Phoebe Award winner, Caitlin, my therapist, says, it works because you believe that it works.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

That's right. That's right. Honestly. Belief is the end, is the fuel for the engine of your dreams. I believe that. Honestly, no pun intended. So like you always say. I don't have enough vocal stems. I don't know. No. I don't know. I say crazy stuff all the time. Stuff that I probably wouldn't even say on here. But another thing that was crossing my mind this week. So I don't know if you've been following this Timothy Chalamet drama, but he was doing a like a town hall, like a variety and CNN town hall thing. And he was reflecting on the challenges facing movie theaters. And he, you know, like just the current entertainment landscape. And he said, I admire people, and I've done it myself, who go on a talk show and go, hey, we got to keep movie theaters alive, you know, we got to keep this genre alive. He was like, another part of me feels like if people want to go see like Barbie or Oppenheimer, they're going to go see it and go out of their way to be loud and proud about it. So eventually the conversation kind of turned into like other art forms. And that's when he started making a comment, it was kind of offhanded though, about ballet and opera. He was like, oh, well, I don't want to be working in ballet or opera, or, you know, things where it's like, hey, keep this thing alive, even though it's like no one cares about this anymore, he said. And so then he tried to like soften it, saying, Well, you know, all respect to ballet and opera people out there. I just lost 14 cents in viewership. I just took shots for no reason. So it ended up sparking this like conversation from different, like Doja Cat jumped in, like, pretty much going in on him, like, sir, do you not know the level of training and dedication and exceptional, exceptionalism that these people have? She was like, that you can go to the Metropolitan Opera House and it's sold out, that people have been doing these genres for hundreds of years at this point. And, you know, I heard that Missy Copeland is actually going to be at the Oscars now because of his comments, which is hilarious because I think he's nominated for the movie that he did this year. So I was like, oh, this is a lot. But I don't know. I don't really put too much stock in him because I'm like, I'm learning the less that I put into celebrity thoughts and opinions, the happier I've learned to be. But I will say it does show a level of ignorance because especially universe around the world internationally, ballet, opera, theater, musical theater, you know, all these things. I was like, they have a place. While they might not be the biggest in America, I have plenty of friends in opera that travel abroad that are working artists. And so I'm like, hmm.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

I don't know. I've never researched the the numbers for these genres, but I'm like, people are still making careers out of opera. Like, granted, like I have friends that work in it now, and like, you know, on the administrative side, and they're like, yeah, it's always a struggle, but that's just the arts in general. It's not that people are uninterested, uninterested because it would have stopped a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Yeah. Yeah. You know, the only celebrity opinions I'm interested in are our own. Yeah. Like I always say, Day, the only celebrity opinions I'm interested in are my own and our own and yours. But what? And Paris Hilton. Yeah. Well, and Doja Cat. Yeah. And Cardi most of the time. Yes. Um, she's made great endorsements until the Jasmine Crockett one. I was like, I understand it. I was like, I I get it. You kind of get it. You're right. They have a similar like vibe in certain ways. So I can see it. But yeah. But no, hasn't Timothy Chalamet kind of gotten himself in trouble like before for kind of saying stuff like this? Maybe I was like, I could just be making this up. Because I was like, every once in a while I see him like pop up into the news. And I don't, again, I don't really care enough to like find out why. And I was like, I don't even know if he's still dating one of the jenners.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Like well, he was dating Kylie. That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Yeah. And I was like, oh, okay. So yeah, no, I was like, I, but no, I was like, I I was actually really surprised when, and I and I don't know why, why I was, but like when I this was probably 10 years ago, honestly, that I learned. So I was like 19. And I um, but no, I was like, I was like 29 when I like learned that I was like, I was in Atlanta and I found out that like the people in the Atlanta Symphony were like paid musicians. Like that was their job. Like they didn't just do it to be volunteers. Oh no. And I was like, oh, because it was like I was always in like college orchestra and like high school band. And so I was like, and like community orchestras, and I just figured that it was like one of those. But I was like, I I don't think people realize like how elite of like talent these these folks are who are like in these ballets, who are in these symphonies, who are in these like performing arts, traveling performing arts like companies. Whereas I'm like, they they they are the best of the best. They are the best of the best. And I was like, especially with like humanities being cut at like different colleges. Like my undergrad, Cornell College in Iowa, small little liberal arts college, recently announced, like in the last probably six months to a year or so, announced that they were getting rid of several of their humanities programs. Programs. And I was like, I don't like this. This is not, this is not good. Where I but and they were, I they had other programs that they were kind of replacing them with. But I was like a liberal arts college getting rid of their humanities programs. And I was like, especially with like humanities on the decline, I like I had a really interesting interaction. Again, thinking about like Civics. Um, the other day I was at the city and county of Denver building, and because I was there for a press conference, because you know I love someone says there's gonna be a camera, and I say, when and where. Local celebrity. Local celebrity, David Coogler, they call me. I'm waiting for you to go viral on the like at one from one of these. Me too. So yeah, so I posted uh there, there's a couple of things here. I so the the press conference was about municipal sentencing reform, which was which is being sponsored and kind of introduced by what I call the Holy Trinity, councilwomen, Chantal Lewis, Serena Gonzalez Gutierrez, and Sarah Parody, who I love. And I feel like I am so lucky that they are my three councilwomen. And they're the Colorado Supreme Court recently ruled that like to have different like municipal, like citywide sentencings for for like the same crime is like unconstitutional. And so what I think I'll I'll put a I'll put an article about it in the show notes and as a way to correct myself and also cite my source. And the the the intention behind this is to like not criminalize poverty. Because, for example, in the state of Colorado, in like a state court, if you were to ever be like arrested for public urination, which thinking about people who are unhoused, where are they gonna go to the bathroom? Like, because we don't have access to a lot of public restrooms, if they're going out, if they have to go to the bathroom outside, public urination, they can be sentenced to like up to 10 days in like state prison. In the city and county of Denver, for the same quote unquote crime, they can be sentenced up to 300 days. And so, which, and I also learned that like a lot of times for folks, if they're incarcerated, after about two weeks, so like if someone's sentenced up to like a month, after about two weeks, a lot of times they can lose their housing, they can lose their jobs. And so, like, it's it's just not good. And so, like, they're wanting to like reform the kind of the sentencing guidelines to be less punitive, which which I support. So then uh I'll put a link of to the Denverite article about this press conference as well in the in the show notes. And if you look in the two photos in the top left, there's a guy who looks a lot like me wearing sunglasses. So yeah, you could just happenstance, you know. What a coolstance.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

A doppelganger. The Denver doppelganger Denver doppelganger, you know.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yes, yes. And so then I went inside to the city and county building, and the city council committee room is on the third floor, which is where the mayor's office is as well. And as soon as I got off the elevator, I saw this like Israeli flag right outside of like the mayor's office. And I was so taken aback that like I just took a picture and then like went into the committee room and posted it to our threads account at Commulumbo Pod on Threads. And I said, like, why is there this Israeli flag outside of at Mayor of Denver, at Mike Johnston, in outside of the mayor's office in the at real city and county of Denver um building. And it was really interesting. Like there were, there were, there were kind of some of the expected sort of like, just say that you hate Jews, just say like fuck you, Nazi, like were some other ones. And then there were other ones that were like, what, like this is not okay, this is not okay. There were several, there were several that were like, at governor of Colorado, this is unacceptable. And I'm like, oh my God, do people not realize that the governor and the mayor are two different people? Like I'm not gonna say that people are stupid. I'm gonna let somebody else say that. But like these are also separate buildings. The Capitol is like a couple of blocks away from the mayor, like the city and county building. But then I also had one person who um I really, really appreciated this. Um, Eric hates everything because this is a public forum. I'm gonna use the, like, I'm gonna use the um the the handle. But Eric is an amazing like pro-Palestine activist here in Denver and does really, really, really cool work um just advocating for for Palestinian, like the end of the genocide. And he posted, you could have looked and read and told people, instead of fanning whatever flames here, but dot, dot, dot. It's because Denver has a sister city with Israel. It says it on a little plaque inside the glass case. So does Boulder. Those ties should be severed. But you could have just provided this information. No US city should have a sister city with Israel. And I said, Thank you for this context and for holding me accountable. I missed the plaque. I hadn't seen the flag before, so I was taken aback. I'll did the post. So I removed the post. And uh, and he followed up with saying, I hate seeing it. I'll have to see it tomorrow to attend the city council's presentation and initial vote on the new AI police camera contract. That flag in our city council building explicitly shows support for a terrorist government, and I'm sick of it too. But like I really, really appreciated this level of like what I would consider community policing, where it's like, hey, David, like you could have probably looked a little bit more closely and seen like what this was about. And I was like, and and he's exactly right. Like I had never seen it before. I was so taken aback, and I just took a picture and I just like let my emotions take over and post it. And so then I updated, like I updated the post with like, why does Denver have a sister city in Israel? Like I saw this photo outside of the outside of the mayor's office in the city and county of Denver building and was kind of taken aback. Like, we should be ending ties with with Israel. And so I did kind of correct it, but I also like like I joke about like people just like not knowing the difference between the governor and the mayor. And I think that's a problem. And I think that also speaks to our education system. But I also like, and I'm being completely serious here, and I was like, and I I and it and kind of vulnerable here at the risk of being a little vulnerable. But I was like, I I have never in my life until like the last year or so when I've like seen an Israeli flag or met someone who identifies as Jewish, and just automatically thinks, oh God, do they support Israel? Like, are they pro, like what I would consider to be pro-genocide? Like, and I know that like that is how those biases are what starts to lead to like real actual like anti-Semitism and like real Jewish people being hurt and injured or killed because this state of Israel, this government, this country. And I've said before, I don't think any state has a right to exist. Like what the United States, I don't think has a right to exist. I got in trouble at a gymnastics competition over the weekend from my sister because my five-year-old niece, when we all stood, there were a lot of MAGA moms at this gymnastics competition.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

I've heard of wine moms, but MAGA moms, I just haven't heard of them.

SPEAKER_02 30:52

You can just tell. You can just tell. And so they were like, all right, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. And I stood up, but I did not, you know, it was like for the for the national anthem for several years now. I was like, I have stood, but I have not placed my hand on my heart. This was like the first time that I can remember where I like stood up, I did not recite it, and I did not put my hand on my heart. And my five-year-old niece, who was standing right next to me, said, Uncle David, how does everybody in here know this? Like, how does everybody in here know the Pledge of Allegiance? Interesting. And I said, the per the people behind me I also went to high school with, I didn't recognize them because it was like, it's been like 22 years since I've seen them. But like, I um, because this person was a couple years older than me. Allegedly. Listen, because I don't know how you're only 20, so I don't know. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Um, and so like the people behind me, I said, like Carly, my five-year-old niece, said, Uncle David, why does everybody know this? How does everybody know this? And I said, Well, you know, when when everybody here was about your age, we were all brainwashed to believe that this was the best country in the world and that we have to like say that we're loyal to this piece of fabric. And my sister was like, David, stop it! Stop it. And I was like, but where's the lie? And the people behind me just started laughing. And I was like, and that immediately egged me on. And so then, of course, I turned around to them and I said, you know, North Koreans at least get healthier from their government. I did say it. I said it out in the wild. And they laughed. But like, but I like say all of this stuff to like think about like the the lessons that we are teaching our young people about like what is important and like why why we do the things that we do, like without like asking questions. And I like and I like and I do still, I still do things myself, like posting that photo without asking questions, like, why would there be an Israeli flag in the city and county building? I just jumped to conclusions, knowing that our mayor has like in his in his inauguration, did have an imam and a rabbi and a Christian pastor. And then it has two uh state of the city addresses since then. The imam has been nowhere to be found. He also like deployed the police on peaceful campers and protesters at the Auraria College campus here a couple of years ago when he was still relatively new in his first year in office. And so I just assumed oh, Mike's probably a little bit of a Zionist. And that might be partially true, but also like I didn't ask questions as to why that might be there. And so I'm really thankful for people like Eric who like hold me accountable and teach me something, but it does, it like it really did make me think about like this is why, like I know that like they say that anti-Semitism's on the rise, but again, and this might be actual anti-Semitism. It I question if that's actually true because the overwhelming well, the the majority of people now support Palestine, support Palestine. And it was like, are we equating being pro-Palestine with being anti-Semitic? I don't think so. A lot of these pro-Palestine demonstrations and movements are being led by anti-Zionist Jewish people, Jewish voices for peace. And I just I don't know how to tie this up in a in a little bow, but like No, I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

I appreciate the honesty because I think it's something that especially as people who do advocate for peace, there are people who are are genuinely anti-Semitic, and that their reasoning in support of Palestine is not, you know, necessarily the moral reasons that we would claim. And I think you taking that moment one, correcting the minutes, being willing to take accountability and apologize, that's important because I think that's necessary. And it is hopefully, you know, we take those moments moving forward where it's like, let me think, let me Google, let me look this up before I speak, because I do think that helps a lot. But sometimes in that moment, we have these emotional visual responses because of the fact that we've been subjected to just years of propaganda, years of videos of torture and all these horrible things. And to be honest, I find that I feel like sometimes nuance is missing from these conversations, and I'm still working through how I feel because case in point, America is a hot metal mess right now. I don't necessarily and it's funny you mentioned it, actually, I'm gonna back it up. I never, I actually had encountered the Pledge of Allegiance at an event where we were required to do it. And I haven't had to do the Pledge of Allegiance in who knows how long. Yeah. And I found myself literally, I don't necessarily care. Like with that anthem, I've sang the anthem. Like I, that doesn't really bother me. But the Pledge of Allegiance felt very weird. And I felt weird because I said, I listened to the words with new ears and a new mindset. I said, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, One Nation under God, individual liberty and justice for all. And I struggled with that because when they say to the republic for which it stands, I was like, are you trying to say the people? Like, I got to a point where I was like, this feels very committed in pledging allegiance to an idea separate from the fact that there are real people and citizens in it. And I think my issue with nationalism, the way that it kind of rears its head in America is that we are more committed to America than Americans. And it bothers me because I'm like, we are a nation of people. And like, same similar way with Israel. Like, I don't hate Israel. I don't think it's just a collection of people and a country. I don't like Israel's apartheid system. I don't like how it treats different ethnicities differently under the state banner of Israel. I don't like what the IDF and that government is doing to the Palestinian people. No different than I do not like what American government is doing in, you know, in Iran and around the world, to be honest. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:31

And even here, I would say too much. Yeah, even here.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

And so, because heck, we we're not making life better here for sure. And so it's like I have to always put that nuance for myself because I like case in point, unpopular opinion. I don't possibly, I don't really care. I'm not mad if like case, I'm not mad if somebody likes being from America, like being from Virginia or being from Colorado or being from DC or West Coast, New York. I don't, that doesn't necessarily bother me. It's when it becomes at the expense of others. It's all fun and jest, like, oh, some people are Knicks fans, some fans are uh, you know, Atlanta Hawks.

SPEAKER_02 38:12

It's going with your sports knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Thank you. I don't, you know, it wasn't intentional, but I was like, wow, I've really been hanging out in the streets lately. Um but it's like that's cool until I see you outside in the parking lot fighting about it. Yeah. That's stupid. And that's kind of how I feel. Like, I don't know, Israel is a unique case, unique case because it's because of its age. And like, I do believe that I don't know if I look at it like South Africa, like when South African apartheid ended, South Africa still was a place. It's just everyone's supposed to get equal rights. That's kind of, I guess, how I look at Israel. Like, I'm not necessarily saying I don't know what the solution should be, but I do feel like at the end of the day, the solution should be everybody has equality under that, whether you call it Palest uh Israel-Palestine, where there's two separate states, however y'all choose to do it, it needs to be equality for everybody. Um, because I said, you know, I think about America and I'm like, you know, at this point, what I see it is likely that we would completely eradicate America and given our treatment of the uh the indigenous people here, and then just have they call it Native America, for example. I'm not that committed. Like to me, these are like concepts versus like how are we treating the people, but I don't see that necessarily being a thing. But can we change how we treat the people here? And I guess that's why I'm like, I'm so against anti-Semitism or even I have grace for people who love Israel. Maybe they have ties, that's where they're from, where they've been, you know, they have family there, but can also critique that Israel is not behaving in a way that is conducive to not only just human rights, but also is fueling the anti-Semitism that we're seeing on the rise. It's like you cannot go from being the oppressed to now being the flag bearer of oppression with a big, you know, with a big brother of aka America next to you being the bully and for helping you enforce this reign of terror in the Middle East and then claiming victim. And so it I'm trying to work through how do I feel about America and our role in this crime, I don't not a crime fighting, but in like a dual villain scenario where we are really out here running amok in Latin America, in the Middle East, everywhere. And I don't know how to feel about being an American. But it's like I don't view my identity as American until I'm out like out of the country. But as someone who lives in America from America, I often find myself very ashamed of what we're doing while still wanting to believe that the ideals that we were taught growing up can come to fruition. I don't think we're better than other any other nation, but I do think that we, I think all people are great. I think we have unique characteristics, and some of which I like to aspire to, like the idea of liberty and freedom. I think those are not just aspirational ideals, but some of the most enlightened principles ever to be enshrined in the beginning of a country. It's just that we're not actually living up to them. And many of the people who, especially on the right, who purport to believe in them, are often the first people to go against those things when it comes to their fellow Americans because they don't deem them as the right American. So I say all of that to say, I hope that we can get to a place where the nuance of people loving their people, you know, from wherever isn't the issue. The issue is do you agree with what this country is doing right now? Like case in point, like I don't hate people from Russia who want to who love their country, their mother country, but can also acknowledge what's happening in Ukraine and all these different places, like what we're when you're harming people, if you still feel the need to support the actions that are objectively horrific, then I have a problem. And that's I guess where I'm at in my evolution of thinking about it.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

Yeah, yeah. I was like, I I think that's probably a good place to wrap up. I'm a I'm a little bit more probably radical, where I'm like, it should only be Palestine. There, one state solution. Um, yeah, because I was like, I I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

I would love a one-state solution. I I I struggle because I don't know if it's my right to tell people theocracies are are interesting to me in general. And this is probably my Western bias because I, case in point, there's a movement here that wants to make us a theocratic nation. I don't agree with it. But one major reason that I don't agree with it outside of like, oh, just liberalism, is that I said we don't even agree. I allegedly am, I'm supposed to be under the same spiritual path or religion as these people, and I don't agree with any of the nonsense that they're saying. So it's like, I don't believe in a theocratic rule because if we can't, I don't agree with you on how you're choosing to interpret this religion as a weapon of oppression, et cetera, I shouldn't be forced to follow it. And so that makes, that's why I don't believe in theocratic governments. Um, but then I'm like, well, can I then tell a whole entire people that they can't have that if that's what they want? Like I go back and forth, but I'm like, again, when that belief then infiltrates on other people's human rights, if they say that they don't necessarily agree with this aspect or that, then I'm like, then no, get rid of all of it. Like I think in a perfect world I would love like Israel-Palestine as one state where people just love and there can be some reconcile truth and reconciliation. And like you can't live next. It's like if Canada and Mexico, we were in war constantly with Canada or constantly with Mexico. Like, you just can't share a landmass with people and think that you can survive with so much hatred and visceral anger with one another. Not saying that some of it isn't justified or that there hasn't been atrocities that would build resentment. Like I think about it now. America is lucky, said it last week. We're lucky because we live so far away. These people that we infiltrate terror and And horrific, we've wiped out their lineage, et cetera. They don't live close enough to just come at us. And while that's great, you know, in quotations for our safety, it doesn't make me feel any better about what we're doing to people. And it has to stop. And that's kind of how I look at it in the Middle East. It's like, I know it's like cliche, oh, peace in the Middle East, but it's like, no, seriously, like there's no way for this, any of you to survive if you don't. It takes one nuke, maybe two, and everything's gone. And was it worth it? Yeah. You know, I grew up in the nuclear heartland, right? Yes, I didn't know this until you told me.

SPEAKER_02 45:06

And I was like, what? Yeah. No, I was like, the United States, like largest like nuke storage like facilities are like 20 minutes away, 15 minutes away from where I grew up in Nebraska. It's yeah, wild. But yeah. Should we wrap up there? I think that's a good place to wrap. Okay, perfect. Well, if you enjoyed this episode, feel free to share it with a friend. Rate us five stars on the platform where you listen. Pause this episode right now. You've only got maybe a minute or two left. Pause it. Go rate us five stars on the platform where you're listening to this right now. Helps us out in the algorithm. You can get in touch with us and go give us a follow at Call Me Limbo Pod on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, and threads at Call Me Limbo Pod. Go read our written work over on Substack, call melimbo pod.substack.com. There is a link to our Substack in the show notes if you don't want to type those letters into the internet search bar. Just go click in the show notes and go subscribe to our Substack. You can also become a Patreon member. We are still in the final weeks of our winter membership drive. Please go become a member to support our work. It really helps us out. You can get early access to the episodes and you can get the full video episodes, which I have heard people really are liking. So I yes, I did hear from some people that were like, I really like watching you all. I was like, Yeah, thanks. I'm a fellow watcher. I I do as well. Yeah. Day's a video guy. I'm more of an audio guy. So I'm just distracted by the video. I'm like usually too busy looking at myself. But I'm like, what am I doing? You get used to it. Yeah, well, that's true. You really do. That's true. You heard it from the international stuff.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

I zone out now. Like now I don't think about it as much. And I can like watch it as a fan. That's when I know I like an episode.

SPEAKER_02 47:02

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

When I watch it as a fan.

SPEAKER_02 47:05

I like that. Yeah. Day said it. He was on. I have I ever told you this before like we actually became friends, and you said at when we were working together, and you're like, yeah, I just got done with like a singing competition. Like I went home and like looked you up and like found you and like found your audition video for like X Factor and then found like I was like, I was like, oh my God, this guy's really good. This guy's really talented. So yeah, I was like, I was a fan even before we became friends, and I'm still a fan. So get yourself some friends who are fans of you. Like I always say, yeah, get yourself some friends who are fans of you. And yes, you can you can become our friend and be take your fandom to the next level by becoming a Patreon member. Patreon.com slash call me limbo pod. There's two levels below five dollars a month, as long as you go to the website patreon.com slash call me limbo pod. Or you can send one-time contributions on Venmo and Cash App at CallMeLimbo Pod. And you know, day, it's like I always say, go get your nipples licked. I can't believe you've never heard me say that. I say it all the time.

SPEAKER_01 48:32

Sometimes, you know, like I know David's gonna say something crazy and I like brace myself. Then there are times you exceed what I thought you would say. Oh, was that in did I exceed? You exceeded it. I exceeded expectations.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

I love this. I love this.

SPEAKER_01 48:50

You're not wrong, but wow.

SPEAKER_02 48:53

Yeah, no, go do it. Go do it. It's consensually, of course.

SPEAKER_01 48:57

In honor of the MILF moment we had at the beginning, go get your nipples lit.

SPEAKER_02 49:01

Yes, because Milfin and Dilfin ain't easy. There you go.

unknown 49:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

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SPEAKER_01 49:06

Well, on that note, everybody, thank you so much for listening. And remember, when they go low, we get to Milfin. So call me limbo. Limbo.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Bye bye.