Call Me Limbo
Call Me Limbo is your weekly dose of comedic therapy where pop culture and politics get tossed in a blender with personal stories, improv games, and zero chill. Hosted by Dai and David—two queer best friends with more opinions than filter—the show tackles everything from reality TV and music videos to capitalist hellscapes and Bad Bunny’s underwear.
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Call Me Limbo
Too Online, Too Tired & Trying to Stay Human
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At some point, the scrolling stops feeling fun.
This week on Call Me Limbo, a conversation about screen time spirals into something much bigger: burnout, overstimulation, emotional exhaustion, and the weird reality of trying to stay human in an online world that constantly demands our attention.
We talk about doomscrolling, cheap dopamine, political fatigue, loneliness, TikTok propaganda, social media relationships, and why boredom now feels almost impossible to tolerate. And somehow… we still manage to laugh through it.
If your phone says you spent 13 hours online this week, maybe it’s not just a “you” problem anymore. 😭
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of your favorite podcast. It's your boy Day. And I'm David, and together we're no better than the iPad Kids. This is Call Me Limbo. I have you taken a look at your screen time recently, Day?
SPEAKER_02I don't need that negativity in my life, no. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh I need to stop. Yeah, I need to stop. I've been really chasing a lot of cheap, what some may call cheap dopamine lately, where you just like a hard and quick, fast hit of something to make me happy. They usually say it's like junk food or a social media scroll. And I was just like, oh my gosh, like just everything considering in the world. And I was like, I got an alert on my phone the other day that was like, your average screen time this week was seven hours. And that that's just on my phone. A day. A day. And that's just on my phone. And I was like, I how yeah.
SPEAKER_02How? I've seen it pop up before. So now that I want to intentionally find it, I can't, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_00But yeah. I don't know. But yeah, no, it's it's I think the way you do it is like you open your phone and then you scroll all the way left to where the like where at least for me, it's like where the battery is, the stock market, and then if you scroll all the way down, there's like your your time. And then if you click on that, you can see the week. So anybody who's listening as well can check their screen, their screen time as well. So today I'm at two hours and 21 minutes so far, but it tells you what apps you're you're spending the most time on. Oh, is this my this can't be daily total screen time?
SPEAKER_03What? It's a lot, right?
SPEAKER_02David. It says today alone. No, I refuse to believe it. It says my daily average this past week has been 13 hours and 22 minutes.
SPEAKER_00No way.
SPEAKER_02How was that even possible?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's so easy to just get swept up. And I was like, I even have like limits set on my like TikTok and Instagram where like every 15 minutes it pops up and it's like, okay, 15 minutes have passed, and I usually just ignore it and then reset for another 15 minutes. And I was like, it just goes so fast. So yeah, but now I was like, I thank you for being willing to share to show this way.
SPEAKER_02So now you don't have to feel so bad because you're like almost half of my screen time. So and I'm listening to YouTube on like 1.5 speed.
SPEAKER_00So that's probably why though. I was like, I bet it's probably because you're doing other things though, too.
SPEAKER_02No, but I'm like, if I have all that going and I'm still eating up that much time, I don't know. I don't think I can give myself the grace. What would you do with your time back? What would you do if you weren't on your phone?
SPEAKER_00You know, this is something that I've been trying to talk about with, or that I've been talking about with friend of the podcast, friend of Phoebe Award winner, Caitlin, my therapist, that I was like, I'm trying to allow myself to experience boredom right now for the first time in a while, because it's so easy to just go, like, just, oh, I don't know what to do. I'm bored. I'm just gonna like get on social media and just scroll for a little bit. And I was like, I it's been really hard, like to just be like, I'm bored. What do I want to do? And I was like, I also like the last like week, week and a half, that like, because we recorded our interview with Natalie really early on in the week last week. So we haven't talked in a while, but like between that interview and now when we're recording today on Wednesday, May 13th, in the year of our Lord 2026. And yes, I I took a little bit of notes from past guest, Eli Harwood, the attachment nerd, about how can I stay like knowing what's going on, but also like regulating my nervous system and just knowing what's going on, but not just being constantly bombarded with with alerts. And so I started with turning off all of the notifications for social media. So like when I log in, I was like, I get my I get the notifications then when I when I log in. So I was like, I'm trying to be more mindful of like what what I'm logging into to see instead of like getting a notification saying this person said this, and then it prompting me to log into the app and then just um sucking up my attention span. And then I also noticed last week, as Caitlin told me, I was like, she's right. I've just had a really tough month with like work stuff and just been like overwhelmed and just kind of like letting things stress me out. And she said, she said to me, let me get my therapy notebook, quote, I bet this has been a really great exercise in self-exploration, even if it might not feel like it right now. And that was very nice way. Mm-hmm. Helpful. Helpful. So when I saw her this week, I said, I said, I just want you to know that you've been living rent-free in my mind all week. And anytime something difficult comes up and I'm feeling all of my feelings around it, I tell myself that this is probably a great exercise in self-exploration. And so she just laughed. Yes. But I but I also turned off my news notifications and I turned them off on my lock screen. And so, like when I wake up in the mornings now, like and I go to reach for my phone, because my alarm is also my phone. I'm not like waking up to oh, Israel just bombed Lebanon. Oh, Israel killed how many people? Oh, there was a mass shooting here, oh the Hontavirus. Like all of the like all of the It's always something. Yes. It's always something. And so I was like, I I can't wake up to this every day. I can't start my day off like this. And so I shut off the lock notifications. So I was like, I can go in and see them in my like notification center if I open up my phone and then like scroll through. And that's also just been really helping me sort of like regulate how I'm like approaching my phone. And now I'm also just kind of gotten to the point where I was like, I I need to get a jitterbug. Like those, those, I think that's what they call the old folks' phones that don't have any like notifications on them. Have you heard of these? The jitterbug?
SPEAKER_02It just makes me think I have heard of it, but I didn't realize that that's what they call them. Let me see. Yeah, first thing jitterbug phone for seniors. There you go. Yeah. Oh, I'm looking this up. Oh, it really does look like a little jitterbug.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I even also thought about, I was like, God, should I just go back to getting a home phone number?
SPEAKER_02No. I don't know how friends get home phone numbers. Not until the 26th.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I don't know how to do that. I was like that. Like, I don't know my home phone number growing up by heart still. So same. Oh yeah, same. It's one of the few phone numbers I have memorized. But like my parents don't even have a home phone number anymore. Really? See, mine still have one. Do they?
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. They still use the house phone sometimes.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_02They've they've definitely transitioned more to the phone, their cell phones. But like my grandpa, he'll just like leave his cell phone places because he just doesn't think about it as much. So that sounds funny. My grandmother, she definitely uses hers. Like she she'll she's pretty hip on it, but he'll like leave it in the car. Like just random things. It'll be downstairs. He's like, oh yeah, I'll get it. But he'll stay on his like people will call him on the house phone.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Yeah, that sounds so freeing to just be able to go navigate the world. I should really leave my phone at home more often, but I also like it. You never know when you'll leave it. It's such a like, this is probably ableist language, but like it's such a crutch for and a safety device.
SPEAKER_02Like honestly, it's you never know, God forbid, what could be happening. So it's like, yeah, you might need it. For me, my friend got me a Fitbit for my birthday. And that is actually, much to my surprise, I was like, why do people get these little watches and stuff? It actually has been great. I've been hitting my step goals all week. Like I've been averaging the most steps I've ever averaged. The most steps I've averaged consistently, probably in over a year. So that's been kind of nice. But I don't, okay, so this is my thing about turning off notifications. So there are certain ones I don't have the notifications for. Like I don't have Instagram on my as a notification, which is probably why my inbox is full. But I my ADHD, David, like I don't remember to check stuff. Like I'm already bad at texting. Like I have over 3,000 text messages. No, almost 5,000 text messages. No, 3,100 text messages. I don't because and it's not intentional. It's because if it's not like right there at the top, I'll just like forget, or I'll say, ooh, so-and-so text me. Let me not open it because I don't want to forget. And then I'll get five more. And then it's got the bottom and I don't see it. So I'm really bad. So like there are certain apps that I'm like, I don't think about. Like if I'm doing work stuff and it's like on a group me or something. I don't think about that app. So if I don't have the alert, hell, with the alert, I still be forgetting. So it's like if I didn't have the alert, then I would never check it. It'd be like three days later, and I'm like, I went to buy, this is to show you how how bad it gets. Okay. Ariana Grande announced her album, her new album, Petals. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's doing signed vinyl. And I was like, oh, it'd be so cool to have an Ariana signed vinyl. I pulled over my car to buy the signed vinyl. Somehow, in me pulling over my car, I get out the car, I go get ice cream, I get back in the car, I come home, I shower all the things, and then randomly remember that I was stopping the car to go buy the album. And by the time I get to go there, David, it was sold out.
SPEAKER_03No, that's told you.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I was heartbroken. Because I said, What did I even do? It was as if like time lapsed and I had no idea what happened. Because I kept thinking, how did I forget? Like I pulled over to do this. What happened? And I don't know. That's how bad it gets. So for me, it's like goodness.
SPEAKER_00If I don't try to do more things lately, I've been I've been unsubscribing. I've been stopping text messages. I was like, I've been trying to like have fewer inputs. But if if Ariana Grande, if you're listening to this, or if you know Ariana Grande and you're listening to this, please send this to her so that they can get an autographed vinyl from her. I just want to listen, I'll pay.
SPEAKER_02I just wanted to get my copy because I don't understand how I felt like uh it's still sensitive for me. But I just feel like, I don't know, I I'm in awe of people who don't have social media or people who take social media detoxes. I think for us it's a little more challenging because part of what we do requires that we're abreast on the things that are happening online. And even then, I still feel like I'm missing stuff. Like you exist on a whole different plane of the of the internet for me. And I love that because it keeps me up to date about what's going on. Yeah. Like my timeline is about Lil Kim's not tonight verse when it's like, moral of the story is this. View ain't hitting this, view ain't sticking this, licking this, you ain't hitting it. And I'm just like, this is bringing me joy. Nice. And I'm on the young Miami algorithm. So spend that. Yes.
SPEAKER_00I love that song. I'm upset. It's not in my algorithm yet, but I love that song too. How? It pops up like every three scrolls for me of someone else dancing to it. I was like, I also just have it basically on a loop. Like before we started recording, I had it playing in the background. It's so good I'll put a link to the I'll put a link to the YouTube video, music video.
SPEAKER_02Because I don't have TikTok though anymore. That's probably the thing. So I have to often watch your video. It kept giving me issues signing in, and then I just gave up. So I have to like, if it doesn't play in the web, like the mobile web version, I normally can't play it. But Instagram, my reels tend to know me a little too well. So Okay.
SPEAKER_00Well, I guess you know the trends on Instagram, and I keep up with that.
SPEAKER_02That's really great. Like honestly, millennial mayhem. You keep the Gen Z, you stay abreast on the Gen Z. I stay abreast on the millennials on Instagram.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_02Because I feel like it's two different worlds. What is happening on the interwebs of TikTok? What has been going on? I genuinely don't know.
SPEAKER_00Um, they've been talking a lot of Lego news. Do you get them?
unknownWhy?
SPEAKER_01What are they talking about Legos for?
SPEAKER_00Do you know Lego news? Oh no. So it's the Iran videos. It's the Iran videos that are like narrated through like Lego figures.
SPEAKER_02And so they've just heard about this, but I've never seen it.
SPEAKER_00Ever. No. Oh my gosh, but I didn't hear about it. From Lego News now. Like I always say today, I get almost all my news now from Lego News. Lego land. Yeah, from the songs that they're creating. It's such good propaganda. Oh, it's a whole production? Oh yeah. I think it's put I think it's put out by like Iran, like state media or something like that. And it's just like distributed it through like different platforms. And oh, it's so good. And they're just like songs about like how Donald Trump is a pedophile, allegedly. And yeah, it oh, they're so good. And like what's going on, and how like our gas prices are just like continuing to go up because of this stupid war that we're trying to commit. And so yeah. Yeah, oh, it's good. I so that's what that's the other that Carisha, Young Miami, uh, the Hontavirus cruise, but also people are saying that it's like a cover-up for like the Disney cruise, where supposedly like 28 people, I think, were recently arrested for like child sex crime stuff. Yeah. And so it's like it's kind of been covered up. Like, I haven't really seen a whole lot of like media coverage there. That what else? Um, catching print. Are you familiar with catching print?
SPEAKER_02Oh, listen, absolutely. I didn't know they were still catching it over there, but I did see that video made its way over to Instagram. So I I enjoyed, I enjoyed the discourse that was sparked from such a video. Yes.
SPEAKER_00So yeah.
SPEAKER_02What are they saying on Instagram? What are you saying? I was like, oh my gosh, what are people saying? So I have been following this one guy who talks about, I need to see if I can find his name and about the add a video. I love him. He takes, you know, I'm very churchy. So I love good church humor. And this one guy has been like taking gospel songs, and he talks about how they're really actually anointed. And his name is Bobby on purpose on Instagram, but he did one about knuckle buck. And he'll start using Bible verses to say, like, you know, he was like, you know, this song is not about fighting. He says, We wrestle not against flesh and blood, it's anointed. Because listen, in Ephesians, blah, blah, blah, it says that man has to be prepared to fight for war and blah, blah, blah. So he always connects it to the Bible. And it's truly some of my favorite good, good ghetto foolishness on the internet. I would say I do have a lot of, there's this viral clip of this college graduate person going viral, saying that I got my degree. The only time that y'all hoes got a degree is when you put in a deodorant under your arms. And so people have been using that voice, like the cat, like the voice to dub over their own. Um, admittedly, friend, what I've been noticing on Instagram, there's a lot more, dare I say it, dick on Instagram. And it's been surprising me because I'm just like, I just don't understand how it's getting like, I'm not approved, like I don't really, it's not that big of a deal. But like I just noticed that people like, I'm like, oh, that's their whole dick is out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow. Wow. Okay. I'm just kind of shocked by like how the sensors are easing up. Um you kind of need to protect yourself. Even if you're outside, you can't even open your phone good. You got to watch to your left and your right. So, oh, I will say my favorite thing on the internet this week, though. I'm gonna do the censored version. But essentially, this young lady, I'm sorry I can't give you credit, where she said, it's time, she said, it's time to stop giving men the benefit of the doubt and to start doubting the benefit of these men. And I have never felt so seen in my life. I said, Yes, that's exactly what we need to do. And I, in that process, I closed a lot of my bookings on people. Like I had to go ahead and wrap it up. I said, you know, I gotta stop giving you the benefit of the doubt. And so then every day I call my friend crying.
SPEAKER_01I'd be like, friend, they still out here giving men the benefit of the doubt instead of doubting the benefit of these men, they're not listening. They're not listening.
SPEAKER_02And I'm I'm tired. Like I just said, imagine putting your trust in a man in 2026.
SPEAKER_01What's wrong with you? Learn from this.
SPEAKER_00Have you reached the point of choosing the bear as well?
SPEAKER_02Oh, the bear and I, we have plans at this point. We've we've we've talked this out. I said, you stay on that side, I'll stay on this side. I'm trying to be hopeful, but every day I'm just like, mm-mm.
SPEAKER_00It's harder and harder to find the hope. Yeah. No, that's the thing. That video of ours that's done really well on Instagram, like people in the comments are just like, men are not lonely enough. Listen. I mean, that's really neat. And I'm like, the male loneliness epidemic is self-inflicted. That's what I just keep commenting.
SPEAKER_02And it's funny because there's been this conversation lately politically, because they were talking about how the jobs that are traditionally occupied by men have really we've they've seen a huge decrease. Like they're not keeping up with, say, like traditionally female jobs. Like in healthcare, the like right now, the biggest job sectors are like healthcare, especially like nursing, doctors, et cetera. But we see, especially with the nursing community, there's a social stigma where often there are female nurses. Of course, there are male nurses, but it's like saying that, you know, so Trump is losing a lot, or people are re-questioning, are questioning, you know, their whole alignment with him. Because, you know, he he really sold himself as like the bro and gonna really help with men and all that type of nonsense. And no, they're actually getting screwed over. And I'm like, I don't negate that there are genuine issues that we see happening in the male community and a realignment of understanding values and jobs and all those things. It just doesn't excuse you from choosing to be a terrible person or doing, or nor does it protect you to want to uphold terrible systems. I think it's very important that we work culturally to not just elevate previously marginalized groups, but to also help the transition. And that as the transfer of power, women are getting degrees at higher rates. They're earning more than a lot of their male counterparts. And that's fine. If we also help men transition into thinking that their value is their economic output, versus we're not shaming men who make less than their partner. We're we are celebrating men getting into fields that like more service-based fields or home health care, things that were traditionally not seen as quote unquote masculine. I have an issue when people shame men for doing those jobs and things like that. But that requires nuance, and people ain't seen new or odds since the 1990s. I don't even know what that means, to be honest. I don't figure it out. It's what it is.
SPEAKER_01My meds are weird all at this point, Joe. I've had to get up at 6 30 every day. Y'all, I'm tired.
SPEAKER_00Oh, oh. Oh, that sounds awful.
SPEAKER_02It's egregious.
SPEAKER_00Oh, that sounds terrible.
SPEAKER_02Jesus doesn't even want to have to be up that early.
SPEAKER_00No, he probably isn't.
SPEAKER_02Listen. Why are you waking up before? Have you ever just been up in the middle of the night or waking up early and you're like, oh, wow, this is what this is like.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Don't like it. Don't like it. To quote Teresa Judice's daughter, waking up in the morning. Think about so many things. I just wish things would get better. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. But no, not really that made me think too. It's like when I went to Eli Harwood's book signing here a couple of weeks ago, which was so much fun. I was like, I've known Eli, I think I've talked about this, but I was like, she talked about, I can't remember if we've talked about this or not, but I was like, she talked about how responsibility should really be two words, response and ability. And I was like, ooh, I really like that. Just like being able to like, yeah, respond to other people's needs and like our ability at doing so and how we can always like kind of get better at that. So yeah. I like that.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. Shout out to Eli. I think, did you post them? I know I've seen the pictures. I don't know if you posted them on the page, but I don't know if I can let the people see. Friend, former uh former guest on the show, Eli Hardwood, aka the attachment nerd, doing great work and ensuring that the people are blessed. And so yeah, super happy David got to hang out in person.
SPEAKER_00Was that your first time meeting her in person or no? In real life, yeah. In real life it was. Okay. In real life, yeah. But I've known her for like five, six, or six years. So yeah. Future friend of Phoebe Award, future friend of Phoebe Award winner formally.
SPEAKER_02Um, because we always it's crazy how you have these social parasocial relationships with people, and then you meet them. Like there are so many people I have yet to meet that I've been social media friends with for forever. There are friends that I did meet in real life, and we put up like even us, like I've known you for over 10 years now, which is crazy. Started in a sandbox, and then now it's like more of our time has been digital communication than in person now, which was different. Of course, when we first met, we did live in a closer area.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we work together. But it's like it's crazy to think how you go such long periods not meeting a person in real life and then finally get to meet them. Like that's crazy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I, this was something else that I was talking about in therapy this week, because I ran in last week. I went to the library, which is I Denver has the best libraries. Like the Denver Public Library System is so great. And I was like, I've probably mentioned it before, but you get a hundred free printing, like printing pages. You can print a hundred pages a day in black and white or color for free at the libraries, which I was like, a day. So I was like, that's what I want my tax dollars going to. But I went to the library to do some work and you can rent study rooms and all this stuff. It's great. But I ran into someone, I walked in, and this person, this has been happening to me a lot lately. This person walked in, local celebrity, they call me. And I what walked into the library and this person goes, David? And I said, Yeah. And she had a mask on, so it was kind of hard to tell who she was. She goes, It's so and so. She said her name. And I said, Oh my gosh, hi. And this is like a client that I've been working with for like a few months now. And I was like, What are you doing up here? I was like, You don't live around here. And she's like, Oh, my daughter goes to school over here. And I said, Oh my gosh, that's so funny. And so like we hugged, and I was just like, Oh my gosh. And so, like, I told Caitlin, therapist, I said, you know, I said, these interactions that I've been having, meeting people in real life lately who I've only ever known online, it's making it a lot harder for me to justify that these people online are just AI, they're not real. So, like if I were to make a mistake per se on something, there's no real impact because they're not real, because I don't know them in real life. And now I'm sitting with accountability, which is a new feeling for me. How is that feeling?
SPEAKER_02I don't like it. I don't think we've ever fully discussed you having that distinction. It feels like a nice protective mechanism. So, what is that feel? What is that like as it's kind of deconstructing?
SPEAKER_00It is like when I'm doing work, I like kind of break it up between like, okay, I'm going to do computer work and I'm going to do like versus like real life work. Like, oh, this is a computer problem versus a like real life problem. And for me, it's just a way to like separate the two because I was like, for me, I was like, it is so easy for me to just get wrapped up. And I see it on my phone, like where I'm like, oh my God, there's there's so much stimula, like stimulus or stimuli coming at me and inputs that I'm trying to like minimize those. And so, like, I also, so I do, I just tell myself a lot of times, like, this is just, these are just numbers, this is just a person, like this is just a name on a screen, these are just words, like I assign the meaning, like, and so I was like, Because I've just been so activated lately. So I really do have to almost like remove any sort of like feeling from it, which is strange for me because I generally have pretty strong reactions to things. When I have an opinion, it's generally a strong one. When I have a feeling, it's generally a strong one. And so for like me to just kind of take a step back and be like, oh, well, that they're not real. Like they're I'm never probably gonna meet these people in real life. So, like, what does it matter?
SPEAKER_03And I'm like, Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's like it's I don't know, it's like it's just been I think this kind of also aligns with just like, what do I, what am I prioritizing right now in my life? And like what feels like it's important? Because to me, I was like, and I know that it feels important to a lot of people, and there can be quote unquote consequences, but like tax things, like people are like, Oh, I got a notice in the mail from like a tax agency. And I was like, Okay, those are just words on a piece of paper. Like we can take action on it, but like it's just a piece of paper. Like, I was like, it's not that big of a deal. And so, like, because like so much of what I do is not life or death, it's just like it's math, and that's really all it is. And so I was like, I just I don't know, and I and it's also really hard for me to like get it up or care about taxes, really, anyway. I love talking about tax legal reducing your legal tax liability. Uh, yes, as as the way they say it. Not it's not tax evasion because that's illegal, supposedly. That's that's not legal. With a common person, it is. Yeah, correct. But reducing your legal tax liability, that's okay. Because we talked about this before, where I was like, I just it's really hard to maintain ethics and morals in an amoral and ethical system. And so I just like, why am I caring about taxes? Why am I caring about funding the the ongoing genocides? I I don't want to. And so it's like it's just easier to avoid and just like do it later. And so I was like, for me, I was like, my sense of urgency, I don't know, doesn't really exist much anymore. I was like, I don't, I've just kind of stopped having expectations as well. And that's and that's honestly, it's made for like, it's made for more enjoyment. Like I went to a show uh on Tuesday night at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts called English. And it was, oh, it was excellent. And it was about this, these folks in Iran learning English as a second language. And it, oh my God, the acting was great, the stage design was great. Like, and then afterward, they had uh what they call an audience talkback. And I've stayed for many of those where the actors yeah, it's really interesting. And I was like, I really liked that like most of the time it's audience members asking the actors, like, oh, tell me about your process, like, oh, what was it like and that when this happened? But this one was so interesting. There were so many Iranians in the audience, or so and there were a lot of immigrants as well talking about their own personal experiences, learning the English language, or finding like place, like where they're like, okay, they were too American to feel like they belonged in Iran, but they were too Iranian to feel like they belonged in the United States. And so, like, where is that like, and and how it feels very empty inside and very lonely and kind of that like caught in the middle place. And so, like, it was so interesting because so many people just wanted to share their own stories with the with the actors. And it was a beautiful moment of community and of humanity. And that to me is like the kind of stuff that I've just been trying to trying to prioritize lately, where I was just like, I can get so jaded about the state of the world and about the the ballroom and whatever catastrophe Donald Trump is creating next. And I was like, I've said before, I wish he was dead. I wish he died. Like, I don't want him, I I think the world would be better, we'll be better off once he is gone. And I also like for me, I can in my mind make him dead, where I'm like, I don't pay attention to him, I don't give him airtime, I don't pay attention to what he says because he does not represent me. And so I've taken steps in order to minimize that input because it's activating to me. And so, yeah, that's that's kind of what I've been what I've been doing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I find that interesting too because we talked about it, I think, a little bit where I was like, I don't necessarily align in that like wishing that he was gone per se yet. I don't know if that's where my brain is at. But I had this conversation with some people, other people, because I was very curious how people were feeling. And there are a lot of people who share that sentiment. But what I find hypocritical is that I said, I do find it interesting to people I talk to who are so quick to justify the murder of Palestinians, the murder of the Iranian government leaders, the people who are also, you know, in other countries where we just deem them as terrorists, how easy it is for them to say, well, that's justified. They're doing this to their people. But then they don't keep that same energy when it comes to our leadership and what our leadership is inflicting on their people. So I found that very interesting. I think, like, to be honest, I think for me, that's probably partially why I struggle because I'd have to be consistent. And while while I do wish that people were held accountable for their crimes and I don't like pain being inflicted, I think it's that. And I don't actually see his transition as a net positive while he's still in office because the people lining the bench are just as egregious, if not more, because I don't think they would be like when I think about George W. Bush and and Reagan and these other people, I think part of what made them effective is they didn't. It's kind of like you said, back in the, it felt like for a while presidents were just in the background doing work. Trump, because he's a celebrity, he cre he celebrated the office. And it's like, you actually can be more insidious when you're just secretly doing all the terrible things. Like if he didn't make it so buffoonish, I felt like he'd be even worse, which is hard to imagine given all the horrible things he's done. But sometimes that openness, like I mean, he literally said, I don't think about the American people when I'm making these negotiations. I just care about so-and-so not having nuclear weapons, which is crazy given that y'all told us last year that they got rid of their nuclear weapons, that you got rid of their ability to do it. And then you imagine that he's saying it was an imminent threat, which you've been saying for decades, but no evidence pointing to that, because it's yes. Nevertheless, I do find it interesting that I don't feel like I would find a sense of relief because I do think he's an egregious person. I think he's horrible for the country. I think what he's done to the, I think what uh he has uncovered, because I believe it was there, what he's uncovered and allowed to take residence in quote unquote polite society is absolutely abhorrent. And I fear that uh even when he's gone, there are people who who really like Donald Trump to me isn't actually committed to uh uh certain ideologies that he has allowed to cling to his movement. I just don't think he cares much about outside himself and his own legacy, but like Stephen Miller's of the world, your JD Vance's, your Peter Thiels, like these people actually have an ideological commitment to a world that is by default exclusionary. And that scares me more than anything, I think. That what does that look like when you don't have a person at the helm who is buffoonish and you actually have people who can competently I mean, look at what's happening. We talked about Virginia, like the Supreme Court came in after this win and was like, no, can't do it because of timing. And what I did find interesting redistricting win, correct? Huh? The the redistricting win. Yes, the referendum. And it's been so fascinating to watch people so angry because you know, we watch these other conservative states literally run through checks and balances like Tomb Raiders. I was actually really shocked. I don't know if they're gonna do it and I have to follow up. Like it was alleged that they were going to make it so that they lowered the retirement age for these judges to wipe them out and then put in people who are more amenable to the administration in an effort to actually get the redistricting passed. And I said, if Democrats did that move, yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and give it to them. I'd be like, okay, they really come, they no ball. I said, because that's a level of aggressive fighting we have not seen. I mean, doing the redistricting the way that they did it and how they went all out, I will give them credit because I did not expect them to really push for this. But if they were to really come through and say, oh, you want to play in our face like that, they might have, listen, I might get out there and I might actually campaign for somebody because that's how that's a level of fight that we've been missing. Republicans use power to abuse power for at porn ends. I'm ready to see what it looks like to use power to make people's lives better. Like I look at all the great things that Zoran Mandani is doing. Like, that's why I think it's so interesting. To me, simping for billionaires is like bottom-tier behavior. So, like when I see people just parroting these rich people talking points, or like watching, you know, now billionaires are saying tax the rich rich is like an equivalent to a slur. I'm like, if y'all don't go bouncing with porcupine, like y'all are some of the softest, nilmouth, mealy-mouthed people I've ever met in my life. You destroy the world and then want to cry wolf when people point it out. Nevertheless, it's amazing to watch what it looks like when someone who shares my politics actually gets not just gets the reins of power, because there are other people who I probably agree with on a lot, but they don't understand how to wield the power and they're not as just dialed in and laser focused the way that Zoran and his administration have been. So it's really nice and it makes me almost want to move to New York. But I don't like rats, so sorry. New York stinks, like, and it's loud. Like it's yeah, I could deal with the volume, I couldn't deal with the rats. Like, people don't understand. Like, them rats live there, like that's their home. And I don't wanna who am I to come in and tell them what to do? So I can't do it. And like, even though I did hear the other did a massive subway cleaning and things like that, which I think is beautiful. All my rats.
SPEAKER_03So yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's all right. Yeah. Well, before we wrap up, we wanted to also acknowledge the passing of Jason Collins, who was the first openly gay basketball player in the NBA, I believe, who died of brain cancer at age 47. So thank you. Like, thank you to Jason for being a trailblazer in living an authentic life and living your truth and showing that you can still be an athlete and be gay, that it doesn't really matter who who you love. But yeah, thanks to all of our like trailblazers as we're starting to approach Pride Month in June. Happy gay month. Early. Yes. And hold me accountable to this because I've been working on an ad idea for quite a while, and I just need to finish it. So, and it's perfect. So please hold me accountable to this. You and listeners both. Got you. So, yes.
SPEAKER_02Yes, but shout out to Jason Collins. I I I truly was saddened by that. I remember him coming out, and I remember how how it felt to see, like, oh wow, like an athlete, a quote unquote man's man. Like, it's not that you always need that type of. I know for my friends who might skew on the more straight passing spectrum, sometimes they don't see themselves represented and they feel like people expect a certain type of performative homosexuality. That's probably gonna sound problematic to some people, but if you those who get it, get it. Where it's like they don't see themselves represented in their interests. And so Jason, coming from a sports world where we know there are a lot of homophobia and toxic masculinity that can be in those locker rooms, et cetera. Like I played sports growing up. I know what these guys can be like. And so to have somebody open up authentically and to just be themselves and just treated it like it's part of them, but it's not all of them, and that, but they deserve to be loved and to live authentically the way any of their counterparts do. I I don't know. I have so much respect for them, and I just think the way that it ended is so tragic, and it just speaks to, you know, our need to really continue work to eradicate these cancers and illnesses. And yeah, my heart goes out like a brain cancer so young. It is just even it's it shows you that death doesn't care about class, and so after a while, you know, it it it it will circumvent your class as well. So I just want to send my condolences to his family. Much love to him and his legacy, and I pray that you know we remember him fondly. Um, and remember him and his contributions for sure. Thank you, Jason.
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