No Filter in Paradise
Two friends, one's straight one's Gay, with different backgrounds, interest, upbringing & outlook in life come together to have a Fun & honest conversation and discuss their opinions on different topics... with no filter.
No Filter in Paradise
Gerlien Croes: TUR kier ataca partido Futuro | EP 174
Nos a sinta cu lider di partido Futuro, Gerlien Croes. Gerlien a splika e storia Dicon e la sali for di AVP y splika den su opinion dicon Avp a husa e new generation ultimo election, e costo di bida, Dicon e no lo hisa minimum loon, nos systema di education y mucho mas
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It's weird that the One Happy Island is not having a fair share of it.
Speaker 2:AVP is a famous company that video. I'm going to put a link to the video.
Speaker 1:I'm going to start a campaign for 7 years. I'm going to say that I'm going to solve this problem 7 years is a long time I'm going to do it.
Speaker 2:I'm going to ask you about minimum wage.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say that I'm the only who would say no, I'm so dumb.
Speaker 3:I want to know how much you're going to pay me.
Speaker 1:I'm ready to say ah, you don't know about Minimo, no, and what are the consequences afterwards? Minister Ursula Arons? She created a website public.
Speaker 2:What is your opinion on this? I'm going to say honestly A fool.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say honestly I'm going to say honestly I If things don't change, when will you be able to do it in the next four years? Hey yo, what's up? Li, Come on in the stairs.
Speaker 2:Guys, welcome back to the ABC Islands' favorite podcast. It's early in the morning here in Aruba. We have a great guest here today. We are the ABC Islands' favorite podcast. Let's keep that clear. We are also not a political show. We are a show that we sit with people in politics and we ask them questions that you guys and sometimes not the Fesla- that's not just what the show is about, actually.
Speaker 3:We're just doing this for this era, right now. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because we're both here to answer people's questions. So a show between two friends one is straight and the other your favorite black babies.
Speaker 3:You're not good today, no.
Speaker 2:I mean we both had a little bit of a rough start this morning we good, though, we good, yeah, guys our next guest is none other than leader of the future, jelene Cruz.
Speaker 1:Hey hey good morning good morning.
Speaker 2:Good morning. Jelene is a political person but she's. What we're dealing with today Like oh, I can't understand you on Facebook.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about your party.
Speaker 2:I'm asking you about your party, so I can go at you. Yes, well, obviously.
Speaker 1:I'm asking you that your party is going to go at you. Yes, obviously that's my goal. That's my goal If my last week in the office. Now that we're close to the election, it'll be more and more heavy, but that's part of it and that's fine. One thing that I always try not to go that way.
Speaker 1:If it's something that I always try to do in politics. I don't go that way. It's something that I always think about when I'm in politics. I don't want to be a politician, so there are discussions and dialogues about facts, about what's in it, and now that I'm here for some reason, I don't know what it is, but in the future I'm going to be in a band.
Speaker 1:It's okay, I think you know. I think if I'm not going to show this community to me, like hmm, I don't know what else to do, but I'm going to show this community to me. If I'm going to show this topic, I'm going to show this thing.
Speaker 2:What's that saying like I'm going to put a topic, I know that it's important to me? What's that saying Like, um, if, if you don't have any haters, you're not doing something right. There's some shit like that. Yeah, exactly no, but it's not like that. It's not like that.
Speaker 1:It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. I'm just a small fish in the big pond.
Speaker 2:Why are you going after me? But okay, no, it's not.
Speaker 3:No small fish.
Speaker 2:But I think it's okay.
Speaker 1:I guess there's a reason for it. In the last month of the national debate I was talking to my mom about the future of the AST. Yeah, I don't have a political opinion. I have two ministers One ex-president, one current president and I said okay, and mainly I don't want to attack, but that just shows.
Speaker 3:You're doing something On a higher level To acknowledge that. Hey, I don't know. There's no difference when you're talking About another party, when you're saying it's funny, but you have content, you have content. So it's a fact that she knows something so Well. Your competition, you're also in parliament, so you're also in parliament. You're not used to this. You're a hell of a person they're not used to this.
Speaker 1:As in the content, they're not used to it. They're not used to it. They don't have a dissertation. They don't have, whatever it is, interviews. They're always based on facts. 2013 document but that's why go read this, is it so?
Speaker 2:I hope that almost never political art comes in this way the level of exposure that there is nowadays will be more hidden. Social media is your way, yes.
Speaker 1:Information is everywhere.
Speaker 1:If you don't know, it's because you don't know, and if it's a little annoying to say about both sides and things the way they are, and if you also see me as a party leader, I don't know how it is. I don't know how to keep it honest. I don't know how to have a policy with honesty. I don't know how to have a campaign, so I don't have the space to go to a. I never had a campaign. I promised myself something, but now that I have a campaign, but now that much less, you're going to have a campaign, yes, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. So, how you know and that's definitely a campaign that you're going to have, you started as a member of the government for seven years.
Speaker 1:now that you're not, now that you're not, you're going to solve this, okay seven years long, but now you're going to do this and part of the problem, the problem originally, so For me. Cuba has a permit, a land permit and a construction permit, which is an analysis based on how much people are working in the industry, what kind of people are working in the industry, so the quantity, the type of profession Cuba is working in, what effect does it have on the environment? Correct. So actually we are just limitless.
Speaker 2:We just go to Cuba. We go to Cuba without a gap. I have been in.
Speaker 1:Cuba for the last seven years. I have been in Cuba before.
Speaker 2:It's like a party. You can't do it in a room, you can't do it without a the government. The last seven years, the government the previous government was not a hotel, but in the last seven years they completely stopped canceling permits, canceling sex, canceling yes it's a full journey.
Speaker 1:Now that we're in a moment of crisis for example, labor before we started de crisis, por ejemplo, laboral antes de empezar, pero el trabajo no está bien solucionado I'm like, okay, pero de cómo no pensé beforehand Y no me acuerdo. De cómo me acuerdo, pero no me acuerdo. De la future generation Antes de empezar, pero no me acuerdo. De la adulta mayor pension a mitad punto me acuerdo si no está bien la pensión.
Speaker 1:¿quién está pensando? Yo sé Verdad o Exactly not sustaining based on facts or not, proposing an idea that is not as much as possible to have a certain reckoning in order to know how to substantially do something. It's not always easy. So, yes, you have to decide or you have to project. If you have a budget for, for example, 2025, which now you put, let's put an example where there is a chance that eventually it will be part of a government, for example, 2025, where now you put, let's put an example where, in the future, there will be a chance to eventually become part of a government, depending on the result, depending on which people vote, and now, if we collect it together with the other, we will decide which one we will invest in or which one we will change and which one we will do financially.
Speaker 2:I'm just seeing that you kind of jumped the gun.
Speaker 1:Yes, the camera Turn it off?
Speaker 2:Oh, no, no, no what.
Speaker 3:I'm going to call my wife.
Speaker 2:She's like I'm going to spend my time. No, no, my wife is going to be mad. No, but I'm going to record. No, normally my wife's battery is good, it's on. I'm going to go to the concert. I'm.
Speaker 3:I don't know frame.
Speaker 2:Let's keep it short, because we have more than a part of the questions. What about the AVP? What part of the AVP did you get?
Speaker 1:closer to joining. Oh, what about the AVP? At the moment, I don't get closer. It's a process For me. Going out for the AVP was a very difficult process. My family was always AFP, Back then PPA, because I was AFP, oh shit really. Yes, most people in Naruba were AFP, but my family was always AFP. I had two men who were political tribalists. One was a parliamentarian, the other was a leader of a faction. Basically, my family didn't have anyone else. We had only two brothers.
Speaker 2:They were in the bubble.
Speaker 1:Yes, they were in the bubble, but at a certain point, when you have to make a decision to leave an organization, you as a politician have to have a support to leave the organization as a politician, I have to support them.
Speaker 1:I can't say that I'm going to leave, but I have to support them. So the process is quite long and not only me, but my family and many other things. Most of them are still there. My team is still almost complete, so my team is practically complete. So I appreciate that, but for us it was a difficult time to transition.
Speaker 2:So now I'm out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a time to analyze what's next and I didn't jump into a conversation with Junghyun at the moment. I was like, okay, I don't know if I can going to go to a party, but I also take my time to think about what's the best thing, to do and what's next. And now that I'm in the election, I don't have to talk to anyone. I remember Miguel telling me to welcome people, but I don't have an official conversation. Miguel has a very focused approach. He says you're welcome, you know things like that.
Speaker 1:But I think it's an official conversation. It's full about no. I'm saying I don't know, I don't know if it's touch-based, but it's nothing.
Speaker 3:Surface level Nothing like in-depth.
Speaker 2:Okay, bang, let's see how does it go Just headlines, nothing concrete.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think Just headlines, yes, but yeah, I'm working on my first election. Being filtered, there are messages that are being sent indirectly for the map. If someone wants to talk, there is Mike Eman who is going to talk to his family about how he's going to get back.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's it. Oh, wow, I know people who are close to the roots. They can talk to us eventually, so I wonder what they want to talk about. What they want to talk about when I become a rebel or if they want to talk about politics. But I have people who are open. I talked to Ricardo Cruz. He's open about politics. He doesn't want to join a party. I have people who important us in differences in color, political and political thinking. But sample me taught a hand of a paper culture hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Does me know that I think money fixed, offer the money, okay. Okay, join a party, segundo me, basically, is me Pensable. Okay, now I'm going indirect. I mean they're casi tour, I want to. So, basically, if you think I'm not good indirectly, I'm almost.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm like you're just going through the fucking list so.
Speaker 1:MEP don't like you, but do they want you Well?
Speaker 3:interesting, interesting, interesting, or do they want you? Well, interesting.
Speaker 1:Interesting they have a conversation. Uh-huh, so that's it, but in any case, that's why the attacks Keling.
Speaker 3:That's why he has to ask Now because Jordan wants to bring you down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or a question from a person who has a relationship with a single single, sorry.
Speaker 1:Sorry, as we speak, I'm talking about the All-Star Game.
Speaker 3:I'm done.
Speaker 1:I'm done talking Damn. Damn Sorry, yes, so I'll give you an example.
Speaker 2:Do you understand it? Do they get it?
Speaker 1:Yes, no, I don't know much about politics. When I was a kid, I was seven years old. My mom was ten years old. I'm ten years older than you, so I'm three years older so when the campaign?
Speaker 1:ends, even though we're all young, we're more aware of what's going on and that's why we're more aware of what's going on with the world, of our time here. So I don't know if you understand, but if you ask, it's not easy In our phase of travel. We arrive home and sometimes we have a long campaign and we have to stay with our grandparents and we arrive late and we think the next day we're going to go to Atlanta, we're going to do the sacrifice, we're going to sleep three or four hours and I thought to myself I'm going to do the sacrifice. I'm going to do the sacrifice, I'm going to pick up and go to school when I'm in the A.
Speaker 1:And I thought to myself I'm going to recover my time, I'm going to do the sacrifice. And I thought to myself if I don't do the sacrifice, I'm going to lose my life.
Speaker 3:I'm going to lose my life.
Speaker 1:And that's my driving force. I don't want to sacrifice my community for them yeah, for the GSB, and so that's my driving force. I know that I'm a big fan of Hopi. I feel like I'm a big fan of him, and so I'm engaged in my work. I'm not just a pro-Hibina. I like to talk about politics and I like to talk about the school of oralism. I don't like the political part and they don't like the part of the school because they don't like the part of the political part, and so we don't mention anything about the political part. But when the election passed one day, my sister-in-law came out and she was more like Terrence.
Speaker 3:So my sister-in-law came out and she was like but that's good, Like we have younger people talking about politics. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:And that's why I'm so happy that even if we talk about politics, we talk about something good, so nothing bad. But we like to engage with people. But it's not like that. It's everywhere. If you're grandparents, you listen to the people. If you're in a car, your dad puts you in the car and you listen to him. So you're like call me your baby. Your dad doesn't put, we listen to you. But if you say Oppa, no, please Put this, this, this. So If you can do it, if you can't, you can't.
Speaker 3:We still Are more pro Children on politics, if anything. I feel like I always say this I feel like Mr Ting's school Debate classes yes, we learn a lot About debate, like professionally.
Speaker 2:And we learn Agree or disagree. There's a lot of debate Professionally.
Speaker 1:But by being respectful. If you have an argument, you can have an argument and that's fine.
Speaker 3:At the debate class. I think it's 5% needed, but on a professional level. This your team, this your team.
Speaker 1:Have fun. I would like to say that I study European law and I do analysis of the management of the European level and the majority of the management, whether it's education or social, is a process of youth dialogues. So when I look at the management, I feel that it's a decision to engage a platform like this and there's even funding available to organize the dialogues here. Yes, and you can see how they are thinking, why, if a person is never engaged, they don't make the decision, but if they make the decision, they make the decision. That has consequences. So what do you feel? Until you do the last presentation of the school, of the school, and then you explain, you give an example so you can see a minister can be a lawyer who makes the tickets blank, exactly Right, true, I'm right.
Speaker 2:True, just now we had numbers up. Let's move on to the next question. If you were to choose two politicians from both teams a very important number who would you choose? Because you have two candidates from each party. You have to choose between the person from your team and the person from your team, oh wow. This is supposed to be part of the icebreaker right, but I'm not going to skip the whole part. Yes, no.
Speaker 1:But my team chose a base that they really wanted to commit to, I'm going to say Miguel.
Speaker 2:I wish he was a reaction Bitch. Miguel Tauninan, he's nice, he's a nice person.
Speaker 1:He's a nice person, he's a nice person, always nice professional, my ex-colleague from the ex-party she's you know, she's always a nice person professional professional um really good hearted so okay, got it, um, before we dive into the next question.
Speaker 2:Um, there's another show our colleague Mauro from Face the Future there's a part of the conversation where he will comment on the part of how beautiful Face the Future. That video that one talking about clipping a part, that one that one that one, that one, that one that one that one, that one, that one, that one, that one that one, that one, that one, that one, that one that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one, that one that one, that one, that one, that.
Speaker 1:But you know People, they don't, they don't they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't.
Speaker 1:They don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don't, they don. No WAC. Let's put it this way Now that I'm in the AFP party and I'm not just a friend, we're a big group of young professionals. From that time, I want to tell you that I started a youth process where I was almost eight years old, I finished government. A lot was happening and I wanted to create a balance in parliament of having a young group and an experienced group. So, yeah, we have a lot of people on board. I can mention a lot of names of people that we have in our area. We have a lot of people on board, but we don't have a lot of people. We have time and the thought of a vision of sustainability. You know this is the lead.
Speaker 1:It's falling in place, of course, yes, and we have in place, of course, and I thought that I had the potential to develop this and I joined the party, but at a certain point I had to make a list and it didn't work, so I kicked. I've had a political experience, now that I'm not the leader, I'm the number one of a party, but I've never asked. I've never had a candidate who never asked for a number. So I've never been negotiated for a number on a list. So I always think, yes, the party is fine.
Speaker 3:We'll decide when it's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yes, which I remember in our ward some of us who didn't want to guarantee that we are in parliament. So it really shows that the party is in the process of rejuvenating. But now that the list is being presented we realized that we are not in parliament, basically Because we are in number 18. And I have another colleague who is in number higher and now it's a little bit You're thrown to the back. And I have another colleague who is a young high school student and I was like you're thrown to the back.
Speaker 1:Yes, but now I'm not young anymore I'm going to put our party in front of our young people, but we're not actually going to do something because of work, so, okay, fine, the time is not in the field.
Speaker 3:Experience counts, not in the truth.
Speaker 1:He gave you a letter with our rights to lead you from time A. Oh shit, yes, he's a rebel. After the election he was very disappointed. I never wrote anything to him.
Speaker 3:Exactly, I've never heard this.
Speaker 1:yes, he wrote us a letter and he's a little angry, but he wrote us a letter that says this is not which we think. But the party doesn't represent us, it generates us. Okay, fine, we don't have a number it wasn't about the number it's about I'm sure about the number, it's about okay if I'm guaranteed that my husband actually has a place.
Speaker 3:Why would you sell me something that you know is good or bad?
Speaker 1:And not write down all the concerns that we had with our organization that probably changed and that they were not elected.
Speaker 2:But then you say, if it's good, most of them don't have any more back. I'm left. Yeah, this is temporada.
Speaker 3:Mark Sonnen was it? Yeah, I remember this. It was a big group.
Speaker 1:Damn Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry Sorry.
Speaker 2:Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3:Yes, people active in 2017 and 2021,.
Speaker 1:I think that the number of people who are more distant from me is higher, so the concern is that it will be bigger. And then, yeah, after 2021,. I started to vote. Yeah, basically I wanted to vote. I also voted.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 1:I didn't vote for the most prominent number, but I went to number four and I had the opportunity to vote. So I got a chance to vote in the parliament in 2019. But now I'm in another staff. I'm not in another staff, I'm in the middle of the parliament, but I'm in a fraction, not in a minority. So there's me and another ex-colleague who is new, I think that it's still the thought of another person that I believe in.
Speaker 3:Even in that position.
Speaker 1:Even being there. I believe that it's not really so. An example I had a time when I was presenting a project of Lady Cojo in the Netherlands after the pandemic. She brought a report and my colleague brought a report. I said I'm going to realize, in the Netherlands too, a way of changing politics. So I said younger people think politics. And I said I'm going to make a meeting.
Speaker 1:I said I'm going to make a meeting in the kingdom and I said I'm going to or a meeting of the kingdom at the time, and you know what the way of thinking is. So when you prepare the argument, you want to write a document that meets what you know where we're going to go exactly and I remember that there was a concern about if we bring the whole document. But then we think that the old school. It's more like storytelling with no real facts.
Speaker 2:Get to the fucking point. Get to it.
Speaker 3:We know this shit already. We know we're all suffering. What's up Shit? That's when you left right, so that's unacceptable.
Speaker 1:I mean, the Ajaon party Doesn't let us. They hide Information. They hide information.
Speaker 3:What exactly do they hide? Just for people that don't understand To clarify Maybe yes.
Speaker 1:According to me, there was a trip Back then. I don't remember, but basically what happened In 2007-2008? I was with the ex-minister of MAP, mr Brizon. He signed a contract, I don't remember, but basically what happened was in 2007, 2008,. There was an ex-minister of MAP, Mr Breeson.
Speaker 1:He signed a contract for an Arabian Music Festival and now, with the next government of AFP BING, according to Mr Otmar or Bermias he brings the contract. He says that the government changes the contracts and it's going to be cancelled. Yeah, that's not my problem. Figure it out more expensive than the house. So if you don't want to live with it, you have to have another case. If you want to be in between Commercials, tell me that people don't comply with what they sign with. So you're losing your plate.
Speaker 1:But, by the way, the contract to sign a time of the minister is against your advice as director of the tourism authority. Tourism says no, and they couldn't sign a contract for a big casino. So anyway, point being, one thing happened in the government and in 2017, there was a council. The government was looking for a council, a Casati advocate, a lawyer who deals with the Casation, and the lawyer said yeah, we're going to exonerate him, we're going to persecute him, we're going to make him responsible, and no government in the future will do that. So I don't know what to do. I know. So, in any case, I don't know what to do, so we're going to keep it quiet. Oh no, you look stupid. The map minister. He wrote a letter saying that the party didn't know that they were exonerated, so politically it's you look stupid.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I'm flabbergasted. In theory, I don't want to know what exactly happened. So now that it's over, yeah, but what's going on? They're not going to treat him by the way he's over, so the people are. By the way, the law is passed. The people are paying two million for the law, so no one is responsible. The people are paying. The people are responsible for this, so the law is passed. There is a vote against the law, by the way, so the rest of the time is a vote against the law. But okay, fine, there is a vote against her because I don't want to cause any trouble.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be fluid from the start.
Speaker 1:And she says a young woman from a Trump party shows politically full.
Speaker 3:Y'all ain't ready yet.
Speaker 1:This is why we can't take that much seriously Correct.
Speaker 1:And I'm not a big concern. My family, my followers, my voters they're like what just happened? What happened? How is this possible? In theory, I don't have a problem initially, and then I have a lot of challenges. I have a lot of meetings between my person who is in the party, who, yeah, and I was going to the game and I was getting closer to my other colleague and I was like I'm going to lose Gerlín, I'm going to lose my father, I'm going to lose. So that's when it became a bye-bye and I don't know if it's good for me to clarify, but at that moment, at the end, I felt like, yeah, I'm going to go, I'm not going to keep me. I don't know, I don't know, what to do with what face.
Speaker 1:But from that point on I thought, hey, carlin, sorry, I don't know what to say. So I thought, ok, no problem.
Speaker 2:So I thought ok, carlin, go go with the crowd how do we move forward?
Speaker 1:actually, I wondered how do we move forward? How do we have confidence? And I don't know if politics is politics, but internal politics is a more complicated thing, and finally, a last conversation that I had with my family and with the party leader and in the conversation the leader said yes, I want. After that the leader told me I want to make it happen First. He wants me to be happy. He's cheating, but he wants to make it happen, he wants to make my family happy.
Speaker 1:He wants to make me sustainable. He wants to make me happy. And in the end he told me you can sign a paper and we're going to start a transition of leadership for two years, but you didn't tell me that you started at the beginning, like that was the idea.
Speaker 1:No, in theory yeah, but I told myself honestly as an insult, because this way I don't want to make you angry at home. So I told myself take a mango Calm down and when you're here for two years, you're still a dad and an iPad. It was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive.
Speaker 2:It was, dismissive, it was dismissive.
Speaker 1:It was dismissive, it was dismissive.
Speaker 3:It was dismissive, it was dismissive, it was dismissive.
Speaker 1:It was dismissive. It was dismissive. It was dismissive. It was dismissive it I'm not sure, but okay, my back is asking Wack, use Pony Hobbing over a game and don't listen to the voice. You don't have any part of the decision, except for a game recognition.
Speaker 2:So, now that Binding is asking, face the Future and that's not a rejuvenation of the party.
Speaker 1:So now, when you ask Binding and Face the Future, how do you answer that? I would refer to using the face of the Robin but not giving it value.
Speaker 2:I know that Robin uses the face to fame right to the party to rejuvenate but if you're really doing it right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Everybody says it. It was a very strategic good name.
Speaker 2:Strategic goodness. Yeah, yeah, yeah I will. I want to ask you more about your game here. What are your top three priorities for the future to improve Aruba Human?
Speaker 1:infrastructure. There's a huge imbalance. Our Aruba has grown since 1986, well before that Without limits. Right, we built hotels, we grew touristically, but there was a huge imbalance between economic development figure, turismo versus the people. That's the number one priority for the future. I recommend the people.
Speaker 1:At the moment there's a power of purchase. It's hard, it's hard. So, no, this is reality. Educational, wise one, financially educational, and now, with BOAC, for example, housing, how many people don't have a stability of life because they don't have an integral management of housing in Aruba? Or they have an infrastructure department that practically for seven years, is not working because of it. Continuously there is an underzoom of corruption. Continuously there is a need to depoliticize, but the process is not moving. There is no transparency. Continuamente tem o undersug de corrupção. Continuamente tem a visa de politizar, pero o processo não está encaminado. Não tem transparência. Agora, com a nossa representação no parlamento, o último para o ano passado, 7, 8, ano passado, sim, nós temos 13 mil gente de rivalista Para o nosso máximo, para calcular o máximo, 5,5 mil para a dona, e nós temos 3 anos sem fazer uma foto de luz and we had three years without doing an aerial photo, so we didn't do aerial photos To see what's available.
Speaker 1:What are we doing? What are we managing? What are we aiming for? What are we presenting to the community as a housing plan? So the whole system is not working and I don't think it's a country where you can continuously say I don't want to build an unhappy island if the you're not having a fair share of it.
Speaker 1:So you're not happy, you're not stable, you're not having a decent income, you're not having a decent home, you're not being well educated, you're not having a second opportunity in life. So at the moment it's a priority for the future. Okay, fine, we have to maintain the development, we have to keep it so we can maximize it. But in balance, we have to invest in the foundation of our country, with the young, with the old, even the adults, even the adults, for example, with the 40 plus, with the job, because if we don't have a diploma, we can't have. So recognize that. It's very popular in Europe when you certify the level of vocational knowledge Of a person Before they go to work. They recognize the certification. So now, if you go on vacation, you don't have a diploma, but if you have a certification, the equivalent.
Speaker 1:The employer tells you I might consider To have an interview, to have at least a certificate here, so you don't have anything. That's very smart, though a comprehensive management that creates an opportunity for more training, to do an experience. So in the Netherlands that's something that we have been doing for a few days. There are people who are studying in the Netherlands and there are people who have realized that in the Netherlands there are a lot of trainings that are working and learning trajectories. There are people who are just going to the training and are only reading books, but there are friends as you go.
Speaker 1:It's not a problem for us to have experience, but we have to encourage people to work. For example, if you have to work in the supermarket and you have to go to the MC capacity, to go to the internship, how do you encourage people? By means of taxes, by means of but we don't have a topic here for dialogue. So for us as a party, the priority right now is human capital, human infrastructure, and empower the financial base, empower the housing, empower the educational system, but for you to know about the financial system. So now we are going to have a dialogue, a discussion of how, and that is exactly what the committee wants in the future. It's differentiating us from that moment here. Being honest, if you go out and promise 50% pension, promise a pension when you're going to be alive, and so on, you don't have to If you go to the election on December 16th, december 17th, and you don't have it.
Speaker 1:you have a process to go through to get the plate and we are not being honest about it. We are not looking at the people to see what they have to do to create financial space, for example. I agree with the Netherlands that they have four years to sign, but they don't comply with it.
Speaker 1:So, yes, the Prime Minister has a bit of a difficult time to give his vote because the Netherlands is also officially supervised by Aruba to work on a new law so there's no autonomy which is why, during COVID, we made a decision to make it a law, with a loan subsidy, and the Netherlands During COVID I made a loan to FASA with a lot of subsidies, so the Netherlands lent us 915 million total. So now, if it happens, I need to sign an agreement with Aruba to approve two laws, One law of co-op, so now to make a law, a law at the level of the kingdom, so a law between Aruba and the Netherlands, Not a law with our national order.
Speaker 2:It's a law of parliament.
Speaker 1:So if something goes wrong with the law of the kingdom, the Netherlands, the Reichsministerate, Intervene.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, intervene. So we propose two laws One is cojo and two is financial supervision, which is the RAFT law, the cojo law in Caminda. We propose it to all islanders, that is, to all Caminda, because we want to make sure that the cojo is not in the same division of management, so with our management in Aruba and we don't make it with Aruba or Corsago or San Martín, because we don't have a fleet. Corsov and St Martin didn't have a lot of money so we didn't manage that. But the financial supervision Corsov and St Martin had the money to help us and that's the only thing they didn't have. So they proposed that we would have financial supervision. And it's not strange, because Aruba has six years without a year's income.
Speaker 2:So Aruba didn't deliver a year's income for six correct? So it's a good thing that you're starting to see Manajando el país Transparency.
Speaker 1:Correcto.
Speaker 3:It's a good thing we're to be standing To see Holanda intervene.
Speaker 1:The president Affirms Okay, so he agrees. So he says that now we have to do by time. So, anyway, we have to do by time With the parliament. So Every time, at a certain point, holanda gives us two years to pay. But after two years we don't pay. But now that two years have come, we have a dialogue. At a certain moment the Netherlands says okay, what do you want? That's enough. You don't pay, so you don't pay a lot because you're not paying. So this year we paid 30 million additionally in interest. So if another year we don't reach an agreement, it would be 39.5, and for 2026, 48.3.
Speaker 2:Exactly what we paid on top of.
Speaker 1:If we don't, reach an agreement with them. So if they work last November of the year, if I'm not mistaken the firm.
Speaker 3:We're already suffering.
Speaker 1:No, but the government signed a letter of intent, a contract, where they said that once May comes they will reach a agreement with the RAFT. I was flabbergasted two days ago in a debate between a woman and the president of a mansion, that we are not coming to an agreement with RAFT. So I'm questioning if she will be setting a closed event here or if she will actually vote for her. So in four years she will vote for her and she will not accept RAFT because she knows that we are losing our autonomy. But she has already confirmed and and Julando is obviously showing me that I'm not going to go out for the raft. I'm going to wait four years For it to comply and deliver, which I'm going to deliver.
Speaker 3:Not even clocking.
Speaker 1:That See, these are facts though, yes, and you can send me the document. Go crazy, yes, you're not going to show me?
Speaker 2:I'm not going to show you? No, I think, no, just kidding. I ain't doing.
Speaker 1:I think not, just kidding, this is actually happening now that I think I'm going to put a two year long pay as an extra interest, so I'm going to campaign suddenly to start traveling. I'm going to listen to this and this. I don't agree with RAFT, but the point being that I know that in its parliamentary fraction, there's a fraction that doesn't want RAFT. So I'll give you a political view of how you want RAFT, but if RAFT comes from parliament, we know that in your fraction it's not unified, it's topical. So this is what is happening Now that we, as a future party, are ready to negotiate with the Netherlands and try to finalize that. We are not afraid to deliver a reckoning and to deliver a trade in the last six years. We are not afraid of supervision. By the way, Aruba has been supervised since 2014.
Speaker 2:Two days, six days, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:And the only difference is Sorry.
Speaker 2:The only difference is that Dirty, okay, sorry, oh, I mean no, it's totally okay.
Speaker 1:The only difference is that the basis for CFD to supervise is a law of order, a law of Aruba, or it would be a law of the Reich. A law between the Netherlands. So there's nothing more.
Speaker 2:If something happens, you can't do anything without the Netherlands, I understand what are you talking about and basically, so you don't have to. If something happens, you can't do it. If something happens, you can't do it. I understand, I understand, and basically an average minister doesn't have much to say, I guess, like, all right, I have to go.
Speaker 1:So the politician in Aruba is saying yes, but the parliament is losing its role. My question is what role does the parliament have in the parliament?
Speaker 3:I remember I was told that the REC is not right, because I assumed the REC has such a horrible job that nobody is right, and so on.
Speaker 1:But it's not strange, one always takes the blame for the other. But the responsible doesn't matter what happens. That's why student over now.
Speaker 3:What y'all doing?
Speaker 1:Como vete a pasar Anyway pero es nuestra par dos para llegar a un acuerdo con Holanda. Tengo un poco de cosas que tengo que tener en cuenta con ella. Por eso van a ver el total que va a estar de 39.5 million como mansion. I don't agree with the Netherlands. I have a few things to take into account. The total that we are going to spend is 39.5 million as a mansion, not only in terms of the pandemic, but also in terms of COVID. The Netherlands also offers to partially refinance certain of our money in the international market. So we want to take some of our money as well. So we want to do that so that we can have a some of the money From them. So we want To make sure that we have a return Of 39.5 million For the year. But the Netherlands Is going to negotiate, so probably they don't have that much, but they're going to pay, but they have to pay. So they can't say they have to pay.
Speaker 3:So they're going to negotiate.
Speaker 1:And they're going to say, okay, you know it's good Part of this, I'm not going to pay for it, but I want to invest in certain projects. I want to help my community with the purchasing power, and I think I'm going to do an exercise in my budget for Aruba where I'm going to lower my expenses too and, to be honest, that's not something that happens from one day to the next. I'm listening to you, but I'm almost starting to think also, and, to be honest, that's not something that happens from one day to the next. Almost every party is saying that we're spending less on operations, we're spending less on personnel. You can't come here on December 7th and send people home. You can't go. You can't put an LMA, a law, to protect you so you can spend less on personnel. But it's going to be gradually, and most of them are saying that the government has been going to be gradual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm hearing this and kind of like thinking back about election, when they come back and say, no, this is not a house market, immigration. And kind of like thinking back to the election of America, when Kamala was saying, no, this doesn't affect the housing market, no, this doesn't attack immigration, I said, bro, you're having a border by yourself, you're not in charge of work, so how come you didn't do it three years ago? It's kind of like a similar story with the rest of the country there's no problem, but how come you didn't do it three years ago? Are you part of the problem and how do you fix it If you're not part of the government, you're supposed to go back down.
Speaker 1:Basically, the future is to do two things One, to reach an agreement with the Netherlands. Two, to do an exercise and invest in a governmental apparatus to automate and digitize the process of legal permissibility. And, little by little, you have people who are going to be able to go down with the pension. Ideally, they don't want to go on a vacation and have to go back to Spain, which, yes, we have a lot of needs to have people with the capacity to go up to the level of the medical services. You know lawyers, people with finances.
Speaker 1:We have people who are charge of the government. The government is not the employer that pays the money. You have to be in charge of the government, you have to be a consultant, you have to be a private sector, you have to be fully in charge of the government. So you have to be in charge of one, for example, of the law. This is another topic that I have experienced in Parliament for the last and people don't, for example, bring law. This is another topic about. I'm going to experience parliament in the next three years and people don't understand the precarious situation that we have in parliament with the law can you explain that a little, because you sent people to see the law, but it's not that easy.
Speaker 2:No, sorry, by the way. I was about to say do we have a segment? No, no, we have a segment. No, no, no, we have a segment. So, moving forward, we're going to keep it short.
Speaker 1:Yes, so we're going to Helen what do you think I was going to ask Amanda Pavi Exactly?
Speaker 2:At least 50% now. So, moving forward, we're going to keep the conversation short and we're going to have a segment.
Speaker 1:Okay, no one. Let me explain. So, basically the parliament, basically the parliament, the parliament. I'm a lawyer but I don't study law. But I know what havens you're asking. I know a lawyer who specializes in law. I can read law, I can understand law, I can do analysis and stuff. So now the parliament I'm going. So I have a member of parliament who wants to bring a law, but I need assistance, but the parliament doesn't have a department.
Speaker 1:We have a lady who works as a lawyer and she will give you an additional course to do an experience. No, no, no, In the last three years, there has not been a law that I am presenting. There has been, for example, a same-sex marriage that I am presenting, but now that we have a fraction, so each party has a fraction of a parliament and each fraction has a stichting. So, now that we have a parliament, we have a stichting, we have a stichting. Let's see an example In the future, if there is a stichting in the parliament.
Speaker 1:we can have a Okay, 1500 or 5,000, 2000 florins. An example let me tell you In theory what is the price for a moon. The price is for one marketing, for paying consultants, for transportation or for doing research and so on. In this case now, for example, same-sex marriage offline with my friend Miguel. He's delivering. He pays his month for Team Sex Marriage Offline With my colleague Miguel To deliver.
Speaker 3:She pays her month For her Bag Bag.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she pays consultants in the Netherlands, so you need to have.
Speaker 3:Money that financial back. Yes, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Off of your card, of your fraction. For example, fraction Raiz has a candidate who is a wet haven jurist.
Speaker 2:It's a lawmaker.
Speaker 1:For them one if you have a plate, you can bring a law Two if you have a person with a havens jurist, you can bring a law, but more than that if you have a parliamentarian, you can prepare to bring a law, but you have to have a havens jurist to finalize it and you don't have a person. So Aruba has a legal department With a government department. We have to control the government. It happens to be that if we have to control, we have to reach out to them and they can help us with a law.
Speaker 1:So their priority Is not to help the parliament, their priority is to help the minister, because if the law is to come to the parliament, to come to the minister, to help them. Yeah, new resources, what's?
Speaker 3:his name, carlos Carlos, for this issue or this problem. Basically, I'm.
Speaker 1:It's a discussion of a commission, Not really a discussion. No, it's not a commission. According to us in Parliament, we have a dialogue that is discriminatory about. I'm a bit independent, but I'm a member of Parliament.
Speaker 1:Before other people had resources to pay people to bring laws to us, to help help change laws, or, if they're lucky with the White Havens, they can go, or with the party. But I'm also a member of parliament but I don't have any resources. So if you have resources, it's good, but yeah, I don't know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's a big party to travel and start a discussion. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How fair is that? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Exactly Everybody else.
Speaker 2:Correct, correct, exactly everybody else. I have a question for Ahata. Ahata has a question in English. Would your government introduce a tax reform based on indirect taxes such as BTW? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, in the next five years.
Speaker 2:So you're going to try BTW.
Speaker 1:Well, I can call BTW if I want to, as you want, honestly when.
Speaker 3:I first heard about it.
Speaker 2:I was like wait a minute, but honestly, I only listen to Admar and then I listen to Dangi and then I listen to.
Speaker 2:Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I listen to Admar, and then I so Almata, saquita, it is what I'm running with. So, anyways, get the ball of the bait away. Of whatever way you mean, it's not happening.
Speaker 1:The proposal was made last year but it's not going to happen. One, the inflation is going to be in Aruba. The government has already signed an agreement. As far as I know, the Ministry of Economy is the number two in the future. It's time to go back. It's not going to happen. Inflation is going to be very strong. We have to do something else. We have to present the baby on the border with a highly advanced method. We prefer to keep the system that we have and keep it until it's time to introduce a beta wave. But yes, the future party is ready to come here. There will be a system where we have one single belasting. We don't have the baby that is left to accumulate and your people are paying because the belasting. That would be life.
Speaker 2:You're done with it. You're done with it, jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:Okay, next one. How would your government help solve the labor shortage that exists in all economic sectors?
Speaker 2:We did, we did. They're currently working.
Speaker 3:You still have a labor shortage Kind of like.
Speaker 2:Sake. I have a dog. I have skills. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother. I have a brother, I have a brother. I have a brother I have a brother, I have a brother. I have a brother, I have a brother, I have a brother, I have a brother, I have a brother.
Speaker 3:I have a brother I have and they can't Not to come to the English there's and not to hope Training Like they're very much on.
Speaker 1:I got you, sir, but I don't want to go, because I'm not. I'm not listening to you To ask you to legalize and Three people, but I'm not asking you To empower us locally, because If you have a local, with the moment You're looking for a job and you're not getting a job, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care, I don't care.
Speaker 1:I don't care I, but it's also a culture. What do you?
Speaker 3:mean it's about you, you think about it. There is work, you have to do it. What is holding you back? Whatever, job. Gasoline station. I work in a company In the Netherlands, so now I'm studying.
Speaker 1:I work in a company, so now I'm serving. Everybody works there. We realize that this is a part of development and balance.
Speaker 1:There is a labor shortage here at the moment, and this is not just one thing. I have to address the situation of permissibility, make it easier and transparent for people who already left. We have to manage who is coming, who is making the screen, how many people are going to be important, identify how many people are local to give an opportunity, and that's another something you can get. You have to go to the table and dialogue with your syndicate, your guild, but we're at that. We're at the tipping point. We're not getting to the crisis, so I want you to help.
Speaker 2:Dj but it's another day.
Speaker 1:It's another day, man. We're not getting to the coming up right.
Speaker 3:Or you don't think, no, no, ah, but if you have a problem With your friend, if you like to keep something and you're looking for a solution, or you're like, ah, no, but let's do everything for short term, like the money grab we're all happy With the development up.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this. I, in Buenos Aires, in the city of Viva, in the city of Cascol, in the city of Donanán, in the All-Inclusive Hotel, there are still no people, no politicians, no people in the streets, no people know what is the Suspend of Effect.
Speaker 1:So, that's another question With the Baiti Movement. Yes, the Baiti Movement. Who is not happy with the Baiti Movement? What are the consequences at the moment? So if you're in a village where you're doing your job and you're doing your achievement, but what are the consequences, how are you going to prepare for that? So for us and for the next generation, what's left is for us to deal with whatever the consequences are.
Speaker 2:I'm going to talk about the debate for a while. The debate, the last one, it's a national debate. I have a question about the minimum wage. I have the only hand that says no.
Speaker 1:I'm so nervous. I have the only hand that says no, okay, good I have a couple of hands that say, yes, I have the only hand that I see. I had a couple of messages like that. I was like, hmm, okay, but I wrote them like that.
Speaker 2:I kind of wish people go back. I wish people could see NoField. Nofield was the Votapak King. I asked them. I asked them hey, yes or no? I wish people could go back and Votapak King said no. And Portano said yes, a visa no, but if you want to do it, screenshot it, but if you want to do it in the future, you can't do it now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now, now now, now, now now, no wait.
Speaker 1:Su pérdida of etabiza, no mi gasto de operación de mi compañía a subir, so mi team cojiza mi producto su preis of mi servicio, su preis pa ayudar mi cover voral. Si eta un hobby, ves un compañía chiquito, vas a ver eno por carga tu regasto adicional. Ya acaba haciendo un hobby impuesto extra. Bien el último año. Be in the last year. If you drink at the border, you put it on. If you pay at the border, you have to pay to sell the product to the patient, to get the back plate.
Speaker 1:And that's a loss A loss if you don't sell it, but if you don't risk it, you also spend money and money. So if you don't go up, for example, 100 florins, the product that you pay, 150 florins with your price, will go up.
Speaker 1:So what can you do? It's easy, it's populist, to say, ah, you don't know how to go up the minimum wage and what are the consequences afterwards? So you don't know? No, you can do it through taxes. Now you give the government the responsibility to lower the minimum wage. You understand? So you can put that, if you don't put it in place, if you don't have a private company, you lower the loan burden and, at the end of the day, people have more money, cash, cash and your payslip oh, I have more money because of my taxes and you don't cause inflation.
Speaker 1:But if you don not emotional, it's easy to remember. There's a big group of people that are part of this group. So if you're going to do a campaign tour, you have to pay your salary, you have to vote, but you're not paying your salary.
Speaker 2:And when you're in the business, you have to pay your cost, correct?
Speaker 3:And it's expensive for everybody. I have another question.
Speaker 1:I don't have another minister, but Glamour Cruz is the last minister in the office. I have to say that, mr Chong has taken over.
Speaker 1:He has been presented with a fixed minimum wage. There is a discussion about whether the master is fixed or the candidate is going to pay per hour. It's a difficult discussion In a short time when you're at a different age. You're going to earn less per hour than the other. But my main question is how do you deal with inflation? At the moment? When you say that the operational cost is the commercial, you know that the operational cost of the merchant will also rise. It will pass in your product and service. Yes, yes, if our father is a merchant and we have to do a commercial with him, he will say no, you know that it will pass. So you can't be a person who is going forward. So now that you have a barrel, if you don, I'm going to go up with 20 flowers and then I'm going to go up with 100.
Speaker 1:Some people are going to go up with 20 flowers some people are going to go up with 30 flowers.
Speaker 2:Are you going to go? To the moon To the moon.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? I'm going to go to the moon.
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to present a table for you to put on your face, I'm going to buy a drive.
Speaker 1:Who just called me after I made a pension for 30 flowers. So let me ask you this in a short sentence If things don't change, when will you be able to walk to Aruba in the next four years? And you have to pay here two years and 48 million in interest. You also have to raise the taxes of the people, so the power of purchase of the people here is going to be low.
Speaker 1:You also have to impoverish the community. You also have to invest in the education you also have to invest in. So you have to play with this turbo-responsibility, a lack of responsibility that you have to have for the community and I don't know if you've seen it community and I don't know if there's a positive future for us or none of us.
Speaker 3:You know what the scariest part is? And this is, talking like our people. The political that you like to win at some point, like everybody, has to save face in some way At some point. We don has to save face in some way At some point. We don't know what information we're processing, whether this is true or this is reality.
Speaker 1:Everything is so uncertain it's a lot of information.
Speaker 3:Everybody's talking from a different perspective. This is very important.
Speaker 2:To add to what you just said. I want to say something To add to what you said. It goes back to part of transparency, as in if you, I don't know if I talk on social media, but I post documents. I don't know if I.
Speaker 1:I post it. I don't know how many people I know. I don't know how many people. I know but I have to explain in Dutch it's a bit complicated to explain. If you govern in the beginning, it's transparent.
Speaker 2:You have to speak it no, correct. This is how, if the government in the beginning is transparent, like guys, I have documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents, documents.
Speaker 1:But the counter-probe is a full documentary about public data way that the parliament doesn't have it, and transparency is a problem in the parliament.
Speaker 2:The parliament has a pro-me organization that has a thousand websites and transparency is a problem in the United States, the parliament is a promise organ.
Speaker 1:You can bring a thousand websites, but you don't have respect for the parliament. The parliament is the same the moment you put an input in the parliament, it will be published to the community. So you're not creating things to make it politically transparent. How transparent are you if you don't have to inform the parliament?
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I mean.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know that the government always says that we should do this, but I think it's just the community and I feel that every step is transparent, it's positive, but how it works is important, the process. I feel that with WESH, now with social media, it's a lot easier if you put in a kind of I don't know a department of parliament, but with every time something happens in a short video, you can't inform, right? You know, there's Aruba, the parliament of Aruba is here, it's always here, it's always here it's always here it.
Speaker 1:As a parliamentarian, I don't know, but at the same time I have to create a balance With work, I have to inform. I suppose when you travel there is a law, there is a thing to be done.
Speaker 2:There is only so much you can do by yourself.
Speaker 1:In my case. Yes, it hasn't been easy. As an independent parliament member, I have a lot to do by yourself, no. So I'm happy. I'm happy for Aruba, I'm happy for the beginning, I'm happy for the correctness, and I'm going to keep fighting. I'm going to try to make politics a goal for the people here. So I'm happy.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm happy for the teaching, I'm happy for the school, I'm happy for the school. So she's over the school. So she's over the school. So keep planning for your team to help in a way that will lower the cost of school.
Speaker 1:School needs a lot of great things, but one point that we have to talk about is about the low cost of life, and we have a debate about that. So we have a positive question if we can recognize something from another point of view. But I think we have a debate, correct, you asked us a positive question so we can recognize something else.
Speaker 2:Another positive question.
Speaker 1:So we'll go on. We want to talk about sustainability, how we're going to invert and have a sustainable land management. So last year we started a process of installing solar panels in Ribascol. We didn't have a school, according to the committee.
Speaker 3:What are you busy with?
Speaker 2:How much do you pay for school, for AIA?
Speaker 1:or something Different schools.
Speaker 2:On average like $500? I don't know different, different. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's expensive, imagine if you put more than one year, you put two or three years but you feel like school eventually should become a free thing, especially under underbow.
Speaker 3:But you feel like that's somewhere that we should go. It's education. It's crazy that you have to pay for free of charge free of charge? Yes, I mean eventually especially underbow it's crazy, cool, but not much of a fault with your age.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean and you have to read, you have to read and you have to learn a lot. But, yes, I don't want to be a student, you know what I mean. And you have to read. Right, you have to read Because it requires.
Speaker 3:A lot of skill in school.
Speaker 1:But yes, I want to One day. I hope, I hope If I can Take a step here and I can First here. For so many years In school I have to Lower A big amount Of money.
Speaker 2:It's a super awesome Surplus. With the energy, it's a super awesome surplus. When you're in India, it's a surplus. You can pay hotels A utility company.
Speaker 1:the government is a shareholder. There's a whole project with a million people to invest in plants, for example, I want to say that I'm part of a utility company with a corporate social responsibility. For who Is that surplus? I mean this is 5 million. How many projects can you do?
Speaker 3:for the people.
Speaker 1:So this is the thing that, yeah, for example, for the reason of the cinema, I don't want to buy a budget Because this is just a measure. So you think you have an entrance? No, you don't have an entrance to be able to operate diligently, exactly.
Speaker 2:And now the question is how many plates do we have? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but well, let's switch over to the segment Three questions, multiple choice.
Speaker 3:A, b, C and D.
Speaker 2:And one of them is going to be Jumping in Sharks or Barrio in San Nicolas and we're going to do crazy plans and we're going to listen to that band. All right. So the first question is according to your knowledge, is the Aruba Tourism Authority investing in protecting nature and the environment projects through partnership agreements? Yes or no? No?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, which foundation? Are you investing?
Speaker 1:in Conservation Aruba Conservation Park Arico.
Speaker 2:Correct, don't play with me. Your timing with the question was perfect, alright.
Speaker 3:Next one All right Over. Tourism is a worldwide topic that Aruba is not immune to. From the perspective of your political party, what is Aruba's strategy for mitigating over tourism and promoting regenerative tourism in 2025, according to the Aruba Tourism Authority? Is it A increasing guest arrivals by 20%. B attracting high-value guests who align with responsible tourism principles. C focusing solely on luxury tourism or. D encouraging mass tourism to boost economic growth. B that is correct, yay, all right Number three.
Speaker 2:As a general knowledge, tourism is vital to Aruba's economy, driving development, job creation and local business growth. As the island's main export, it significantly contributes to Aruba's GDP. What percentage of Aruba's nominal GDP is diverted from tourism? Is it A, 50%, b, 60%, c, 70% or D 80%?
Speaker 1:That's correct.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a great question.
Speaker 3:Well, it's in well, not in specific 71.6, like 70.
Speaker 2:All right, cool, Now let's switch up.
Speaker 3:I see what you did there, what I see what you did there. I see what you did there.
Speaker 2:I just I see what you did there, sorry, I see what you did there. I see what you did there. I see what you did there. I see what you did there, I see what you did there.
Speaker 1:I see what you did there. I see what you did there. I see what you. I'm listening to another politician talking about the future.
Speaker 2:I'm listening to him.
Speaker 1:Gotcha bitch.
Speaker 2:You're listening to the future plan for Main Street, san Nicolas. Yes, it's important. It's important to talk about it, but let's focus on San Nicolas.
Speaker 1:Yes, also downtown yes, economic development and the way people are being educated, and that's why the last year's population development was driven by the government to the end. I think it's important to have a vision of people, and that's why we have developed a population.
Speaker 1:Last year we managed to get to Struva. What I would like to say is that not only does it have a reason or a flow of people, but also because we have developed infrastructure. Most of the land that we have in our homes is in Santa Cruz, north Paradeira, so automatically we have to make sure that people are able to, and when you bring it, I hope you see what it looks like. So, on the beach, before we go to the North, we automatically have to get more flow of people. For San Nicolas, now that we have different challenges, I think we have to create a movement back. That is, to make people go to the local tourists to come to visit, to go to the city, but we have to have a movement of people back in the center One. We have to find a way.
Speaker 1:I want to create activities. For example, three governmental offices back in San Nicolás. That's an example, but we also have to encourage them. The merchants who buy and sell think of investing in a big city like San Nicolás. They don't have banks, they don't have a viable project, they think it's risky but it's not a good thing. So we need to take a step forward. We need to find a way, like the government, to facilitate funds, to facilitate a guarantee, so that we can buy and sell.
Speaker 2:Is that something?
Speaker 1:Yes, that's one, two we need to rev, and the face of San Nicolas, the red light district, which is a topic that we know a lot about, is still there. Is it still?
Speaker 2:there.
Speaker 1:It's still there, but not in the way it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as in upgrading the power plant.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's upgraded and regular and that also has a very big impact 100%, which we want to deeply understand, to have a daily vision. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have never been encouraged to go to school here in.
Speaker 1:San Nicolas. I have seen a way to build a school project in the center, in the main street of San Nicolas, where the biggest teacher is present and the teacher is looking for you and has a need for you, but with an emphasis on art and culture. I think that in the future that we will have a capital of art, culture and heritage in our city, in our capital, so we will invest in education in the center in the topical area.
Speaker 1:Really, tourism is important, but imagine if we had an orange economy in our city, if we have a school that focuses on curriculum of art, culture, history, with a partnership with a private school, and the school is established and you have automatically students that are doing an education that brings projects or brings art and it becomes sold on Main Street with a living room in the area here. And another thing that I also know that is very important is housing Housing for older adults and an activity center for older adults. But now that we have broken as I was the last minister here that's where they are, but they don't have a lot of space.
Speaker 2:They don't have enough space to hang around, so we have to do this.
Speaker 1:There are laws on infrastructural development At least 50,000 square meters. We want to revamp, we want to invert it. Currently, joffrey has started a project where he is going to make a renovation and bring a type of farmer's market based on a building that he wants to bring to have activity right To have it. So the type of renovation here is what he's going to create. Ideally, he wants to bring down the wall in Antambe. He wants to put water back.
Speaker 2:What I mean? I mean, you say Mike, the master speaker. I got the Mike. Did you say yeah, he was also explaining? Correct, but I was just asking did you have a barrel of water? Yeah, they had to roll. Yeah, they had to roll. Yeah, they had to roll yeah they had to roll.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had to grow. Maybe it's because I didn't get to go there. I don't know. I don't know if I got there. Anyway, if I got there for a few months, I'm sure I wouldn't want, if they're going to take us on a tour, but anyway, if they're going to take us on a tour. I'm sure they're not going to take us on a tour.
Speaker 2:I definitely left the stain behind I identified that Kiko is going to come.
Speaker 1:I don't want to dismantle her in one trip. I want to make it easy. I want to create a lot of millions and I want to identify Kiko to make it easier to train. Ideally, I want to create a I think we will identify here how to make it a terrain ideally because it creates housing. We also think that we have the most primordial and deep region in San Nicolás, but that's also a right-wing position because it's in a precarious situation. We want to have an additional WAF for the region, so a WAAP for commerce, a WAP for the Colombian coast, etc. And one thing that is also important is a development that is already taking place in the moment here in the Guiana Islands, which is, as you know, oil and gas. But we want WAP to be as good as it is in whatever conditions. It is like oil and gas, but we want to know if the tank is in good condition, if eventually it will be used as a storage for things like this.
Speaker 1:Because, in Suriname and Guyana. There is no storage, so you don't process anything but you store it. So I think it's economically viable. I have two or three questions viable economy.
Speaker 2:I like that you said. The first thing I want to say is get rid of everything no, get rid.
Speaker 1:I think that's right but, I think maybe we can capitalize the budget, why not? I think it's a good thing in this state, and if it's, poor and if it's poor, I think we can that are still there. And if they are still there, they will have a way to negotiate with us, with Suriname, with Yana. What is the possibility? It is worth understanding that the last president of Suriname is still there and when he arrives, when he is reading, he comments how many tanks are there?
Speaker 2:and we don't have so we can capitalize on that.
Speaker 3:They probably will Keep it here first. If it's going to happen, then it's going to be it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I attend, they'll have a program of another game, you'll know. Well, it's smart.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's worth good idea to use it like hey, I'm sorry, but you have to pay us so much per tank.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 2:I mean it's like five million for each tank and now we have five million for the moon.
Speaker 3:But I feel like, and this is what I think you always say we can ask what we want, but based on what you're answering, that's what they're going to take you seriously. It's all on you, and if you come up with certain plans, you actually put yourself in their shoes it also shows that you did your research, yes, and your intention is to say, yes, it's viable.
Speaker 1:and if Kiko is going to stop but you have to stop you have to start a new path. And yes, at the same time. We don't know if it's true, but I think it's true, I think it's a good start. And yeah, at the same time, we don't talk about it. I heard another organization, a party, don't talk about it, about the cruise ship to go up. But cruise tourism is more tourism, it's more people but it's not quality.
Speaker 2:We hear different ideas, but I want to hear your opinion. Several people over there have a good cruise port. I've heard different ideas and I've had different opinions. But I've heard various opinions about the cruise port, but I don't think it's a good idea, I think it's a good idea because, there are mega yachts in Miami and they have a big split. So I think it's a good idea and I think it's not just a cruise but a big split.
Speaker 3:If you go to the beach with two people, you're going to have two.
Speaker 2:I think it's like 20 for the mega yachts.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's amazing.
Speaker 1:I understand that you don't vote against mega yachts, against Nicolás in the beginning, but in the campaign and promoting. Who votes against Minos? Not in parliament, no, but in any case.
Speaker 3:I was definitely going to bring up the thing yesterday. I was like no, we're not promoting it. I don't think it's right. But, I don't see life. Yeah, what are we doing? I feel like nobody's talking about our coral bleachings and everything we're actually going through.
Speaker 1:Like marine life One thing I've been doing to talk and dialogue with the Netherlands, by the way, is Ferry.
Speaker 3:I heard about that.
Speaker 1:It's a topic I've been back. There are movements with the Netherlands that are also working on becoming part of the discussion with Nankiarwak without helping the country.
Speaker 2:It's like a DVD with $30 to buy 10 minutes discussion, but I don't want to say anything about it.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money it's a lot of money.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of money, it's a lot of money.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of money with the minister, of course, and he's busy. I don't have a history of Europe.
Speaker 3:But have you ever thought of ferries before? Was it a thing before? No, I've heard about it before, but how safe is it even?
Speaker 1:no, not just that, but I mean like there's some days when the sea levels are higher than Not just that, but I mean like there's some days when the sea levels are higher than Okay in a book in 2016. So I did it in 2016, 2017, and I did a research, a report, with Amy and time is up, so there are different types of holidays and safety wise like do they travel with many coast guards or like on their own?
Speaker 1:I'm going to be honest, I didn't know. I didn't have a answer against it. Sorry, but this gets very exciting about it how does it go work?
Speaker 2:The mafia has to go like what?
Speaker 3:Of course, that's why there's a lot of factors Of course.
Speaker 1:You have to create a WAF. You have to have a loan. If you arrive, you have to have a loan. You have to have control. Yes, immigration loan. You have to have a full process.
Speaker 2:That's why you have to have a WAF. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to ask you something. I want to hear your opinion about the party. I want to know your favorite topic. What do you think about your party's stand or your opinion about the overkill of legalization of cannabis?
Speaker 3:I'm going to ask you.
Speaker 1:Who am I voting for? Anto, vitore Anto.
Speaker 3:Vitore. Yes or no? Oh shit. But I ask, who am I voting for? And Tobito is like Tobito is yes or no.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, go ahead. I'm in the back, magiza.
Speaker 1:Magiza, no, yeah, magiza, no. But wow, it's not for the medical cannabis. They're going to put it like this If we don't get to phase A, we're not there yet, so we don't know. We say no, it will never happen, but there's a lot to do before we get there. One thing with the paper open, actually we're getting to a kind of death penalty. I think we're decriminalization of the body, which we have to realize. We have to put an offer of medicine, and recreationally, I suppose we are all putting medicine and recreationally.
Speaker 1:I think I have a challenge and I think it's a social aspect at the moment that if you want to get to it.
Speaker 3:I would recommend Turjende Baywak episode of Fotopacking by Rutlin Lindor. She gave a very, very, very great explanation of how to not clap yet yes, well, as a person who has a lot of things to say, but she gave a great explanation, I'm not gonna lie but that's one of the points of outcome, that socially, judicially, we have a process to go.
Speaker 1:it's just not by parliament. We have to prepare for it. But then again, I mean our development is a development that, yeah, I mean from our generation. It's not open about it, so open in the sense that I put a lot of amimes, I put lately campaigning, I put a lot of Hopi Hopi and Hopi Hopi. I've been doing it for DJs, for other things. So there's a process and if you look at the five legalized works, the works are not ready for it.
Speaker 3:It's not, it's a no-go. And one thing I don't know, actually, Papi, actually I'm going to ask you a question, but I feel like it's never enough To ask you a question, because One thing I'm learning Is that teaching is Especially over their body parts and STIs. It's very, very common Like I've seen it a lot With my family, but the amount of cases that are happening, and not just in Jobin, but in general, the diseases and infections that are going around, it's crazy and it's very taboo that we have to break.
Speaker 1:I want to say that in the educational system, to a certain extent we have a base that we can inform a lot of people, but there comes a certain moment when we have the opportunity to be open With Leo, we agree. As a country, I get what I mean. It's important to have information. If you're older, you have to have another way and the taboo is that you can break it.
Speaker 3:I get what you're saying, but at the same time, if you're older, you're not using a tablet. If you're older, you don't use a tablet. If you're older, you don't use a tablet. They have access to the internet. No, they're going to watch it and then they're going to go To a friend's school and then they're very much educated on it. And now you missed out on a mega opportunity. No, I think it should go in stages. I agree with that. I think it should go in stages.
Speaker 1:I agree with that, I agree with that. I agree, I agree.
Speaker 3:but the fact that we're not telling children hey, my vagina is my vagina. Where are we going when family members are saying I don't want to eat cookies, I don't want cookies like straight or straight, and if you don't know what to say, no, I don't want to eat cookies, bitch. What cookie Like straight or straight? And then it's like it's scary. It pisses me off when people talk to me and say no, I don't want to eat cookies, bitch. When are they going to be ready? Like? I understand that you're seeing innocence a little bit more, but at the same time You're also Protecting them From something that could ruin their life forever.
Speaker 3:If they think their life is oh no, well, my person Must be Expecting my mom to be full, so my person Must not, until now. I have to live With this trauma forever. It could have been Prevented If we just told these children From the get go this is what it is, and then and then and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then and then agree, agree, agree, agree, agree, agree, agree, agree, agree, agree
Speaker 1:agree agree, agree, agree. Open 10, is it exactly? So yeah, put it up and ask mommy with a baby, mommy with a belly?
Speaker 3:you know, okay, and what's with the dumbness and dumbness, before I feel like we were slower, we were way slower, and time passed, we were more childish, we used to go outside and play with toys.
Speaker 2:Exactly my point, the kids today don't have access to Turkish.
Speaker 3:They talk to you like a level of. Where do you come from with this? Because when you have dumb children, we have tablet kids who don't have a tablet, but they have two of them.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, I agree completely. I think it's true. Instead of being in school, we go to school. When we go to school, we go to school. Completely overhaul. Yes, yes, no, I agree completely. I'm very busy. I'm very involved in our curriculum in Peru. Our curriculum is not a choice. I'm completely overhauled. Throw the whole shit away.
Speaker 3:Like start full up new.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm completely personalized. I'm a robot, it's part of the question here. But content-wise I'm much more skills-oriented. I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 2:And the people are saying that it's good for whatever. But, brother in the airbay, it's not a professional underbass, it's not a human like mechanical electrician.
Speaker 1:Correct, so talk to the airbay.
Speaker 2:But in, that's a very good question. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like my husband is a mini Cooper, not very manly, but. But imagine an auto. And all the guys are like, hey, this is cool. But no, I agree. Like like we need more in school, more gardening. Hands on Content creation of critically think Of EQ Like understanding One's self.
Speaker 3:A steam room. Yeah, science Something.
Speaker 2:Art Education. No, no, no. That's why I sent you the video.
Speaker 3:When the kids they have like A setup For like the kids can do Podcasting, they can make Science projects, they can do A lot. They can make science projects.
Speaker 2:They can do a lot of things.
Speaker 1:You're just working in that moment, that's nice, but yeah, but you have the capacity and the willingness to go that way.
Speaker 2:And educate them. Educate them and compensate them and empower them Exactly.
Speaker 1:You don't have to compensate them and you're not just dealing with education but with so many social challenges. And empower them. Exactly, maximum salaries, yep. So you know, I think this is something that we need to develop in our island, ah One, happy Island, hotels, tourists, and we need to have one happy island.
Speaker 3:We have teachers who have a lot of 30-year-olds and before you know the older ones were Like 30 children going off, especially after the break, the first break and a lot of people have this adrenaline. You have to calm all of them down and you can still do it and I don't think it's worth it for that salary. You have to calm all of them down. I don't think it's worth it For that salary?
Speaker 1:No, no, it's that I have a lot of people with autism at different levels.
Speaker 3:You have this as well.
Speaker 1:Imagine if you're in class of 30 and you have a lot of people with autism. You have a lot of people with high IQ.
Speaker 2:That have a lot of people with a lot of people with a lot of people who are the same class, the same class.
Speaker 1:The same moment, the same attention. Again, we have a lot of hope that we can attend to it.
Speaker 2:Hope. I want to say that in the next episodes, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope.
Speaker 1:Hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope, hope.
Speaker 3:For sure.
Speaker 1:In general Be critical, be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical. Be critical, be critical.
Speaker 2:Be critical. Be critical Be critical.
Speaker 1:Be critical, be critical, be critical, be critical, be critical. Be critical, be critical, be critical.
Speaker 2:Be, critical.
Speaker 1:Oh clap that C Time to go home she said what she? Said yeah, okay, I know I mean, but you have the opportunity to pass the time and you have the opportunity to start again and you know what I mean. You know what I mean. You have the opportunity. In that sense, you have the opportunity but you don't have the solution.
Speaker 2:But 20 years later, or 15 years later, or 10 years later, what will happen?
Speaker 1:And, on the other hand, I found that Pueblo will define it as a result of the election. That's another denouement. Pueblo will vote for it. So if you don't like it, vote, and that's why we have to respect it.
Speaker 3:And if you don't like it. It's also something that is crazy, and that's why I respect them. And I also want to know what about what happened to Joffrey, because you two come from being in something, so what response do you have to that?
Speaker 1:I have been in parliament for three years. Joffrey has been in the ministership for three years. I went through a situation where I was in our party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked about it, I went out when he took his party leave and he was still yeah, we talked about it, and this was part of a project that I just addressed at Creative Academy, working on If you put in a, if you put in a, if you put in a.
Speaker 1:If you put in a.
Speaker 2:Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, but politically, I think it's better to do something else. But it's also to get out of a situation where you feel that it's not possible and that energy and knowledge that we have. But that's what I'm saying right now. If I were a minister, for example in Parliament, I would have a broader overview of the topic that I don't have a chance to have. But if I were a parliamentarian, I would have a deal with the minister, I would have a deal with the commission A perfect balance.
Speaker 2:I have another band, I have, but it's not, it's not like so we want another year and that's not my ideal perfect balance.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we're trying to pass this year to our candidates, to our team. Yesterday we had an event and I first I went to the room and I was, I was sending a message to my team, hong Kong proud half of it because we, we had an announcement team Hong Kong proud mitad de nada.
Speaker 1:Pasor a venir. Nos hace un announcement por mi viajar en Cuba. Te sale con un papel no de político being a working and a professional. Sí tú ordenante un background con una estudia anyway, nos tiene diferente duro con nuestra cater con los team seguro pasor a. Por ejemplo, omar Cuandas has a story about having a second opportunity in life, studying becoming a welding engineer, and this is a hobby for reintegration. We have engineers like Greg who works with the wet havens. Rutlin, who is a criminologist, dela, who have a teacher. We have a friend who is always active as an entrepreneur and is active in the association of Saint Nicholas Joffrey. We have Gino, who is a seniority who is a lot of things. He works in different yes, in the health care, but also in the health care in general, in different departments. Greg Rasmann is an engineer. He is a lot of things, at TNO, at WEPA, in different cities. Greg Rasmus, he's an engineer. He's been to TNO, to WEL, to Elmar so.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to go on a tour, Jeremy, Jeremy is also a young man he's a dynamic guy.
Speaker 1:Jeremy has a politically sublime view, so analyzing things politically is tremendous. So, you know, analyzing things politically is tremendous, I mean, politics is his cookie, his thing, you know. I mean he understands politics and he's also an entrepreneur. He has, you know, he has his experience in the work of a ministry. But in the end, the point being that we started, we announced the party, we announced the candidate. So we have a party, we have a candidate, and at the first moment we see that they are constantly talking about the media or the platform with Mike, and they don't talk about the party that they have. They talk about how they have grown. And I was like what speech I said, what speech? This is what Aruba is needing, with people who have Love and humility in the country and knowledge and experience, but also with One. It's a message. It's to share with the people, but more with Turks who are not political, but with A fresh team, practically, who deserve an opportunity.
Speaker 1:I understand Full of hope, but no good in numbers, then, Everybody's getting a chance to shine. Awesome and all people have a base, a content, and that's a very important thing. So you know, even if the time comes, you can't take it to Aruba, 100% Awesome.
Speaker 2:Well, Helene, for me this is the longest freaking episode, oh.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 2:It's going to be a pain to edit, but Because it's the time of the quarter, I have another question. Basically, I'm going to take it off the camera, camera.
Speaker 1:How many?
Speaker 2:people? Do you have voting for Jalín Cruz and the future?
Speaker 1:party.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I'm going to explain a little, but a little more like why should? We vote for you.
Speaker 1:The future is bringing a different message than politics and that's why we're here. Aruba deserves to make big decisions based on honesty and faith, facts. I think, and I think the future is responding to a large part of Aruba who hopefully is not represented more to be in a position to lead the country that often is in a position. So hopefully, on December 6th, the group here position. So I hope that on December 6th, the group here of us who feel that Aruba is a switch in politics unites and sends a message to Turkey that there is an opportunity to make a promise to Aruba and we're starting a new journey, and we're working on a new journey and we're starting a new political stage for Aruba guys, I hope you enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 2:Subscribe, leave a comment if you agree or disagree, comment down below. So good luck. Thank you. We will see you guys next time.
Speaker 1:Peace bye, bye, we will see you guys next time. Peace, ayo, ayo.