No Filter in Paradise
Two friends, one's straight one's Gay, with different backgrounds, interest, upbringing & outlook in life come together to have a Fun & honest conversation and discuss their opinions on different topics... with no filter.
No Filter in Paradise
Mike Eman: Con nos ta bai bolter cos | EP 176
Nos a sinta cu Mike G. Eman, lider di partido AVP. Nos a papia tokante project nan di AVP manera e Tram, Solar panels, MFA y mas. E plan nan di AVP pa sigi cu e projects nan den 2025. Ki e back up plan ta si no hania e 900million, e income cap riba docent nan di school y mucho mas
Mayoria di nos pregunta nan ta di boso, e hende nan di Aruba. Nos tey pa ta boso voz den e conversation aki cu e politico nan.
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Speaker 2:No, you're not over the insurer. Are you over the insurer Long time? Do you think Trump is a worth it investment?
Speaker 1:Yes, I think so, but I can't say it.
Speaker 3:Who can always be a player in the map for AVP?
Speaker 2:What if the Netherlands don't agree with Mike's terms? What is the backup plan for Isaac?
Speaker 1:Please, if you don't want to offend me, don't put AVP in the map there. Mike, to come in with what is the backup plan for Isaac.
Speaker 2:Please, if you don't want to offend me, don't put AVP and MEP in the same place. There is a big, big, big. Y'all do that I'm supposed to have to say, I'm supposed to be saying no.
Speaker 1:What do you think? We're not doing Well, we have to do it in the same place.
Speaker 3:It's facts. I get Gotcha bitch.
Speaker 2:Just see, if now Elimina BBO implementa.
Speaker 3:BTV King Ljubljana. Premier Minister Michael Wendrick.
Speaker 2:Pero, eric, kita pasukupu lokal na.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to disagree with you again.
Speaker 2:That's okay. Bomach, Mike Bomach.
Speaker 1:Because MEPs strength up Not their vision, but being against AVP.
Speaker 2:Hey yo, what's up? Hello, how are?
Speaker 3:you, guys. Welcome back to the ABC Islands favorite podcast, no Filter in Paradise, a show about anything and everything between two friends One is super straight and the other Super gay, hey guys today we have a special guest. I don't think I'm going to be able to do this here.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to give you a shout out.
Speaker 3:I'm going to give you a shout out. I'm going to give you a shout out. Have a special guest. Um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um. We ask you to ask us If you have any questions, if you want to know About the platform To raise the budget For sure.
Speaker 3:We will find you, we will buy you, we will talk to you. If you want to sponsor us, it's good, we don't care. Okay, so we ask things as it is. We have none other Than Mr Mike Eymann.
Speaker 1:Welcome, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, and really I'm going to put some good love behind this effort, but definitely my friend Edric the one most persuasive, but Mr Edric fix this thing here. And now we're going to have a new language. The language is Kaya.
Speaker 3:Mike.
Speaker 2:The language is.
Speaker 3:Kaya. Okay, the language is brother. Kaya had to put some strings for us to get. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2:Also, mike, just an FYI. It's so weird we're not limited by time and with Tessa we don't have much time. Yeah, but politics Is complicated so we cannot Simplify things. This is a FYI, it's so weird. We just have to limit the time and the answers are very, very long yeah but politics is complicated.
Speaker 1:You cannot simplify things. We get that, but the public? This is going to be a learning process From two sides. No 100%.
Speaker 2:But the platform. I also have a responsibility To bring you to places 100%, but the younger ones Are also very much on to what are we?
Speaker 1:talking about. I don't want to prolong this part, but I believe we also have a responsibility with the young ones to bring them along in a very complicated world which is governing our island 100% off topic.
Speaker 3:Off topic, but well. But hey, if you want to have a debate, there's a button. Off topic, but hey, if you want to have a debate, there's a button. Then you can put it in your house. For those of you who don't know, it's kind of an icebreaker-ish, but I ask you in the morning. I hope you like it. I hope you keep your head up Short and powerful, and I'm a sponsor. I'm actually a sponsor for ProFrame, all right, all right. So keep the mics to prediction by election. Okay.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we're going to get full majority. I hope so. I work for it. That's still to be decided in the next couple of days, I believe. But the environment is very determining. People want change, people want a different perspective. You feel it. You don't feel it superficially, but from time to time it happens and you feel the pain of people wanting change.
Speaker 3:Apart from no filter 24 hours, how do you go back to other TV shows or radio shows or something?
Speaker 1:It's a compliment to you. It's a compliment to you.
Speaker 3:You're the part that I miss.
Speaker 1:No, but how do you go back to your current job In the middle of the last debate yes, I don't know how to correct that In the middle of the last debate I had a different thought with the Chamber of Commerce. I asked a person who, according to us, had a debate with Mr Bay and he's a striker. He always rebels with me. I wanted to confuse things a little bit by having a leader in the 29th and a striker in the 1st and we put up a fight for Wendrick to be the one and it was a little bit not nice if at the end the camera said no, it's good, we want it, but it dropped Wendrick, but it stopped with him. And that was the result. And another debate was more flexible. We both did well. Result E outro debate é mais flexível bis nos dos porra bem e nos é isso de uma attitude também de uma acertamento um pouco, mais like okay, you guys decide assim.
Speaker 1:That was inviting for us also.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, chata, no debate nacional, that's an entertaining one.
Speaker 3:I feel like Sure, awo se AVP. Sorry, mas that was an entertaining one. I feel like Awo CAVP, sorry, I said it a little bit. Cavp, who likes the Prime Minister Michael Wendrick? Yeah, follow the answer. Cavp, cavp, cavp, cavp.
Speaker 1:CAVP, cav that is not available to the party and to the country in any function that we have. So for me, as a vice-partner, I have switched. I have made a switch with a commitment with Aruba. I was surprised to have switched here, but switching here is not only a change of a number, but it's also a message, and a message is the confidence of the renovation of our party, but also a message of humbleness that at some point we have to bring back Bolumbar. We have to bring back with the effort to make sacrifices, to make changes, which is important. And the change also includes the fact that you have to take a position where you say I'm there for the party and for Aruba in whatever position the party chooses me. So that's the answer.
Speaker 3:Okay, it was good to switch up between English and Spanish.
Speaker 1:Spanish and.
Speaker 3:Papi Mendo. I have a long question. It's part of the iceberg. Is it possible for Aruba to refinance its national debt to a more favorable interest? There are millions and millions of people in the interest. Yes, if you accept, if you make certain adjustments like this.
Speaker 1:yes, adjustments that we want we know that the LAFT, the law that is regular with Aruba, its budget is set during the year. It is projected in the next four or five years and to lower what you should, lower what you should, and Juliana has a six in six hours that you are not completing, but it is. Lower your debt, lower your deficit and Juliana has a 6-day-6-hour that she's not fulfilling, but it's all a law of Aruba. At the moment there's no need for a rate sweat, which is more difficult one day than a loss for the G, and one of the concerns that you're dealing with is a focus on the budget. It's what is happening now in Aruba. I mean, you can see that we have a surplus.
Speaker 1:What is happening now in Aruba? We have a surplus, but it must be big because we have a lot of citizens. We are not taking into account the result of so many measures. So we in the Netherlands, with the UN, with two notes and one with the Social Economics and Cultural Plan Bureau, with the institute in the Netherlands, with the measures, the measures that the government is taking. So you don't only take measures to make a balanced budget, but you also have to make sure that the country's budget and the citizens' budget are in place. So now you have a balanced decision-making. To make a decision, whether you want to raise BBO or change BBO to BTV, you have to make sure that the citizens' budget is in place and that the government going to change as in political Practically from the day.
Speaker 1:I was born. Let me ask you so. My grandfather is the founder of the AWP. My father continued on his footsteps and my mother, hennie, continued on her footsteps and is now the first Prime Minister of Aruba. She is a young woman who has been continue to take steps and so on. He's the first Prime Minister of Aruba and he's been there since he was young. He's been back for a long time In between. These programs can also be a learning process.
Speaker 3:I believe that it's a kind of education.
Speaker 1:He's been there since he was 29. He's not the number one rival. He won over half the votes the next election. They chose him as leader. He built up the party. He inherited a party. They chose him as the leader, so he then inherited a party with the clack-a-ba?
Speaker 2:No, he did.
Speaker 1:But then the AVP, the AVP voted him 6-100, he voted me number 3, and I had more votes.
Speaker 3:Who voted 1-2?
Speaker 1:Carmelita Hins and Tico Cruz, so at the moment I had the Okay Correct. Halfway there we learn in our family. It starts with sharing flyers Up until writing speeches for my brother and then talking along with them about policy. So it's a long road Until you become a politician yourself.
Speaker 1:So, how long does it take you to retire from politics? I'm not tired. I'm happy in the community and I know not only in a position like number one, but also in different positions in the game in which game I want to play and in the other one I'm not. I don't know anything else. I tell you the truth. I've been in the house for five years. My dad is a lawyer in the town. He sat in his office On the balcony. There were a lot of people. It was a one-on-one room. He was a lawyer in the town. He was doing a service for free. That was his devotion and I didn't do anything else. I just sat there all day and that's my passion also.
Speaker 3:Bravo, Miranda. Miranda, how do you feel about politics?
Speaker 1:and that's my passion also. I studied law and I became a candidate. I don't know something the dreams that are not so much linked to a position of politics, but things that can achieve politics.
Speaker 2:Dreams are like that.
Speaker 1:A happy country, a sustainable country, all green, a country that has prosperity for the future of Bolsonaro. That's it. You gave me the microphone, it's easy.
Speaker 3:People don't know politics, we're not going to travel to the show. People are like if you want the future, you have to go to the card. Fuck, that's it. You have to know the name of the party. Sorry, I'm off.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's okay. Sorry, I just said it no, no, no, it's okay Sorry.
Speaker 3:I'm pulling a shark in there. Alright, this is part of the Icebreaker. I'm going to ask you a question Again. I'm going to ask you a question. If you want to eat, you can eat with us.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, you can eat with us.
Speaker 3:You can eat with us.
Speaker 2:You can follow up with us.
Speaker 3:You can follow up with us, I'm not afraid.
Speaker 1:It's historical, it has a sense of Origin. Yes, throughout the world there are two big political poles America, republican Democrats, labour Conservative, grandi uh Merca Republican Democrats uh Labour Conservative uh. Inglaterra, uh Hollande, hopi Anja Entry uh Partido Nan Partij van de Arbeid, uh Partido Nan Liberal. Dus to come in the mundo, say the kind of uh uh. But in the AVP and MAP there's something a little deeper. We want to have word sharing here in both. So it says a lot about where we'll stop in the future. Avp won the election by being against the MAP.
Speaker 1:Avp won the election where people are really happy about the vision, the team, the concepts and the differences that the party made for the community at the right time, say in the 40s, 50s of the island, last century. It was the dream of the dream party, the dream of my grandfather. So my Roman Prime Minister, neto Oroku Laga, had a big economic crisis. People chose him. He had a vision to double up capacidade de turismo, rescatar Aruba. So AVP has chosen mesco conos na 2009,. Aruba dotting detorrar valer o cabecera, dotting depression. And so AVP dotting nicely with the team, with the vision, with the plan. And so seite momento non grande di AVP team with a vision, with a plan and to say, the moment of the AVP, maps strength, not their vision, but being against AVP. So for them, electoralmente sometimes it's more difficult and that's why very often they lose the essence of their existence.
Speaker 1:The essence of existence is not being against MAP, our existence is having a plan and having a vision. So that explains a little bit the polarisation thing. Our existence is not being against the map, our existence is having a plan and having a vision Correct. So that explains a little bit Tambay, a polarizational team.
Speaker 2:So now let's thrive basically on the beef and the abosta, actually just basically out here working we are striving to offer something and they are offering something against the AVP.
Speaker 1:So it's not so much we have a plan, we have a vision, we have a good team, but we are everything what AVP is not.
Speaker 2:I think and again this is saying based on our demographic and our generation we are way more on understanding what the problem is. I think Saki Kiko is the reason why two big parties of traditional parties are failing. We have to understand that we are in a crisis. We know what the issue is. We don't want to listen and say but Kiko, you did this in the past, but Kiko did this, and that's what traditional parties like to do. Everybody points out what others don't do or what others fuck up the situation, since it's more of like okay, we all understand what's going on, like we're living it, we're the ones suffering, we Like we're living it, we're the ones suffering, we feel it. Tell us how you're going to solutionize the problem. I feel like Mike is also a debate. I hope you're not very excited. Okay, finally, this goes down, and it was. If you ask a question, it's like okay, mike, answer mike. Contest. Like how are you gonna do this? It was more story based that's.
Speaker 1:That's also where um, two minute and one minute come into play. You're a politician, you know you need to be effective and if you are going to give numbers a minimum salary, a minimum wage, there's a gap of $1,000,000. I finish explaining that and we time is over, time is over. Time is over. So you have two minutes and what I want to bring over then is a passion. We're going to change it. All your pain, all your needs, all your desires, we are going to make it happen because in those two minutes you don't have the time to go into the details and I heard other ones trying to do it, getting a lot of buzz, buzz, buzz for the whole evening.
Speaker 1:I was surprised that during the debate, a lot of new parties were talking more about the past and I'm not here to defend Eveline but talking a lot about Eveline and not talking so much about the future. So I don't really see the change in approach. What I did is not so much present the specifics because in one minute you can do that I presented the passion on which we want to bring about the change, and I think the people in Aruba at this moment know what the problem is. They feel what they need and they want to hear from someone who is committed, who has the passion to bring about the change.
Speaker 2:But this was your moment to kind of give us that, because that's where we all came to the debate and logged into the debate Like, okay, this is where we're so what are your plans?
Speaker 1:Now we're Go ahead.
Speaker 3:I understand what you're saying In terms of Okay, the next thing that how do you solve it?
Speaker 1:How do you solve it? How do you solve it? How do you solve it? The only party to present a topic based on which you are going to solve the problem here is the government. That also gives the country less resources. It is called the Reparations of the Land. By the way, the director of the SVB, after Hopi Pressure, came to another emissary and explained that Eman is right. That's where we need to subsidize the people that are in need. Now, who is it? It is the one who lives with a salary of 3,500 florins. The AVP, if the government does not work with 700 florins, reaches the salary of 1,000, which is quite minimal. It is the one who you have a pension. At the moment, you're drinking 1,200 florins to meet a minimum. You also have a subsidy to get close to a minimum. I think that is the only way we can solve very fast a problem that is very important.
Speaker 2:But what is the long-term?
Speaker 1:effect. The long-term effect is that one, you take out 50% of the country's poverty and you're removing a model that has other countries that are pre-West Europe, scandinavia and London. You're removing what is called a Harvard dealing of the well-being, so the concept of the economy that is growing and the plate is trickled down, not true? I surprise you Go to the hotel and you see what they make and ask the people making the bed what they make. So the trickle-down don't work. What the government needs to do, government needs to collect the taxes. Let the people with broader shoulders pay more. And then you consider very important to share the wealth in the community and the governments that are successful in the world, in Scandinavian countries Finland, norway, the Netherlands as well they contribute to rent, contribute to energy, contribute to school children's education. It is essential that they give to the community and they are in to play a role and not play a role, and that's what we're going to do.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, bump it, mike, bump it, bump it.
Speaker 3:I mentioned earlier about the way we use energy. I mentioned earlier, yes, and Mike's party has proposed to create a fund that applies to the. Sorry, I'll ask you again, mike. You said you were going to create a fund for the NL's debt, which is called InvertiBank in Aruba. If NL agrees, what do you promise to do with Mike's opinion regarding the IP?
Speaker 1:Good question. At the moment, we're learning English, we write books, we listen to, copies and copies the entire process to digitize our teaching script book, which we don't have in school. Just copies and copies, and copies the entire process to digitize our teaching. We have to pay 1,000,000 for the ring, either for an iPad, or we have to pay for a laptop and we don't have a tablet.
Speaker 3:Which, by the way, sorry to interrupt, but I remember my elementary school. I was in Hopi Koi.
Speaker 1:I had a Vav class I was in the.
Speaker 3:The government changed, so you know why politics is important.
Speaker 1:I want a laptop, you want a laptop and then you got the map and you didn't get your laptop.
Speaker 3:Anyways, let's continue.
Speaker 2:No boss, you buzz, do you make one? It's up to you.
Speaker 1:It's important to know that it's an education. An education is a topic that costs 100, but it's an investment in the future. If we pursue our education, our free school, our school of the night, our school of good pay, we have good learning methods up, we can make a big change for the future of Aruba. That's the first thing we need to invest in. It's important for me to say something about how we're going to do it. I don't have a lot of ideas here, but it's important for us to do it. This is important for the country and we presented a note with our exhibition with a president, an example with Portugal and Cabo Verde. An ex-colony of Portugal, david Miskos, was with us. He was a member of the Quebec Ministry and Portugal said they were generous. They said let's invest the payments into a fund that will stay for the sustainable development of Cabo Verde.
Speaker 2:That I'm going to lose, saying this.
Speaker 1:Well, we went to Holland with a note about why we would like to do this, but we also went with the reports on this is happening in another West European country, who's doing this with a former colony which doesn't even have a relationship anymore with Portugal, and they still did this. So we felt that we were very convinced, but we didn't know what to do with the government at that time, and the government with our father, with him thought of a transition. So we didn't know and we were primitive. One of the first things we'll do win an election in a week, go to Holland and start this negotiation Right off the bat.
Speaker 3:What time does the election start? What time does the election start?
Speaker 1:It starts on Monday. It's already Friday, the 16th of the election. It starts on Monday. The governor calls you the political leader. Depending on the result, you're a formative. If a party of the majority is a formative, Serious. But as in, you're talking about the next government.
Speaker 3:Ah, you're talking about the government, then in the next government it can be in a month.
Speaker 1:In my case it's a month. If you permit me, I can go for it no, that's fine, it's a nice sense of history In 2009,.
Speaker 1:When he was here, I was 12 years old. I went to the governor and he told me there's a document here about a former teacher of the next government. I said the former teacher? The former teacher is when there is no clear majority, then you have to form a coalition, then an informateur is investigated. But now you have a clear majority, you have a formateur, you have to form a government and you have to be a formateur, and then you come under care by seeing them. So you get a man to sit somewhere in a government building to prepare to work as it was like this, but we see it at the the month to sit somewhere in a government building to prepare. I was in the office. The office was abandoned there for three years already. The previous government left the building. I was against it, but I did it. The one with the scars that interested me.
Speaker 2:I bought a hotel and a hotel.
Speaker 1:So part of it is very important. We are in Oranje, we compete with the area of hotels, based on tourism hotels. We also compete with historical buildings, monuments, history and culture. For us, a restaurant, a water tower, a. I wanted to make a statement. I must find a room that's usable.
Speaker 1:The next day she invited me to go open the door for me, but the door was still in the countryside. Everywhere I go there are 30, 40 people who don't eat. So I was there, I walked into the building and then I was walking into the ministry room. It was dark, it was running, but I saw that, with some cleaning up into the building and then also, by then, a sala de minas era a scura, a corrente, but I saw that with some cleaning up. Nos por usele para el trabajo, cometi gohace un luna per forma un gabinete. We stayed a half an hour talking with DOA and public works people in that room. When I came out, the 30, 40 people that was walking with me start grooming the place and the 30 40 people by the afternoon became 100 people and by in one month 100 to 150 people were working day and night for nada, getting their own materials, getting roofing, getting paint, getting everything, and in month we transformed the Bistrús Cantor that was abandoned to a location that was usable for the moment, for the moment to start.
Speaker 1:What's important of this experience is that the people of Aruba, when they feel the calling, when there is really a clear cause, a really feeling for this, has changed not responding. So I feel that if we get a strong mandate in December, we will go to Holland and they will feel this vibration of a government that really wants to make a difference.
Speaker 2:No, I think the public definitely wants a change, but I don't know, I think the trickle down is I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like enough time to showcase your stuff, and it was just either full AWP or lachie for 30 years and it made a difference for Avripet.
Speaker 2:Driving back the one that has like an A. Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Some people always talk about the project like it's the bridge.
Speaker 3:It's not only the bridge. It's the four-way lane going all the way to San.
Speaker 1:Nicolas, and not only the four-way lane.
Speaker 3:Is that a good voice? Yes, I'm sure, but when I was a kid. You're very young, I'm very young. No, but I've been doing this for a long time. The four-way lane is not just a four-way lane.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of space between the road and the house and when you go to the beach. You're totally upgraded Because you have a lot of thing. You live by the road, you have dirt sand in front of you and that's where you live. Not all the things, not all the things. Not all the things. Not all the things.
Speaker 2:Not all the things, not all the things not all the things, not all the things, not all the things not all the things, not all the things, scooted out things, and the next government.
Speaker 1:If the next government doesn't do anything, it's not me to blame, absolutely, it's not me to blame. If I build MFA North Paradeira, sabaneta, santa Cruz, and all they have to do is build two more, san Nicolas and Dakota, which both were plans ready and they can even do that, then you see that there's a difference that we cannot say. When we govern, we transform this here.
Speaker 2:Friend, go to that I agree with some of the transformations and I feel like they were good things, but I also feel that in the end, certain investments were not the smartest investments. They were nice things, the or like it definitely helped. For sure, I would definitely give it.
Speaker 1:I also feel like well, this money could have got invested when I went to Holland I don't know if you know this because we have an age gap.
Speaker 2:Talk about it. You have an age gap.
Speaker 1:KLM stopped flying to Aruba during the map period, oh really.
Speaker 3:Yes, they just stopped.
Speaker 1:After 60 years existence of relationship. One of the points I made in the election of 2009 was I'll bring KLM back, Just like they say now with the pension, like the small parties also saying, Mike is not possible irrealistico ra-ra-ra-ra, clap back.
Speaker 2:Mike, be still with me, sir. Irrealistico.
Speaker 1:You know how fast I brought KLM back In the first 100 days of my government, because we don't only work when we enter government, we start working before we enter. Like I went to Holland in November. They said I was not in government, they already laid out a plan to get that 900 million by contacting the people that can make a difference. So when KLM was not flying to Aruba, I went to Holland and they asked me what are your plans? So explain a little bit how important these infrastructure things are. They said Mike, the previous government didn't do anything to upgrade Aruba. We're bringing more tourists there.
Speaker 1:They get stuck in the traffic three hours before they anything to upgrade Aruba. We're bringing more tourists there. They get stuck in the traffic three hours before they can get to Aruba. We're not interested in a tourist destination like that. So this capital investment have a return of investment that maybe you cannot see it, but it's impressive If you look at what makes the difference of time that the tourists get if they get stuck three hours in a taxi going to the airport. Some of them come in only five days. Then they'll come back. So these investments have a huge return on investment.
Speaker 1:But it's not only the roads, the harbor. I don't know if you know, but we used to have a container harbor with a cruise harbor. So what site was that? When the tourists come and they have a huge cruise ship, five stars?
Speaker 3:and you come and see a bunch of containers.
Speaker 1:You know how old that plan was 30 years was in the Latchi. We took it out of the Latchi and we built a new container harbor in Barcadera and now we have a nice cruise harbor when people come. Container harbor in Barcadera and now we have a nice cruise harbor when people come. Not only the cruise harbor is nice without containers, but also all the kiosks that were there. We made them all nice. It's a whole place of welcome. So there's so much a government can do and politics can do to change the life of people. People just have to have confidence and this crap about I took them in schools and this and that we have to stop with that. We make it easy for people to be, we have to stop with that.
Speaker 1:So we make it that people get off the hook to really study and not keep on the sorry, nobody getting off the hook.
Speaker 2:Sorry, that's good, absolutely not everybody gets it.
Speaker 1:Keep them keep them shut, keep them shut everybody, nobody gets it off.
Speaker 2:But what Mike just mentioned Keep them. Keep them shut. Everybody, nobody gets off. Keep them shut. Look at what Michael mentioned. This is where my problem is with home and Aruba in general, and not saying AVP, not saying me, everybody Majority here in this center it's concern is always about the tourists. This is why we also have the mass tourism problem. It's always about how do we make a bit of the tourists of Panampo being back and have a good time in Aruba.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry to disagree with you again, that's okay. Mfr is not for the tourists. When I came in government, you know what? There was this small office where people are going to pay their water bill and their electricity bill.
Speaker 2:It's a bad service.
Speaker 1:It's a bad service. They used to be half on the street standing in a line in the sun and waiting to pay the water bill and the electricity bill. In Paradera, in North San Nicolas, sabaneta, santa Cruz, they used to stand in a line there. For the first week I was prime minister, I went to sit at one of these offices to meet people. I give people an opportunity to visit the prime minister, not only in the Bussuuskantoren but also at these offices. I saw these lines. I said we cannot do this to our people. So we changed the whole concept of these Hulp Bussus Kantora into MFAs and when we started this project, these buildings were not only for the government services but all other types of cultural get-togethers, expositions, conferences, discussions, even meeting rooms you have in the MFA.
Speaker 1:It changed the whole meeting room summit. It's possible, but by hiring a meeting room. We even encourage who promotes that we're not promoting that. That's why we need a change, amigo because that was the vision and please, if you don't want to offend me, don't put AVP and map gelijk.
Speaker 2:There is a big, big big. Don't do that I'm supposed to say. Well, we have to ver. I'm supposed to be saying. No, I keep going. No, I have to say Well, we have to. It's facts I want to.
Speaker 3:You mind if I switch it up A little bit Go ahead, go ahead. Okay, let's just jump into the Ahata segments and we get this out of the way.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry. Ahata, she's like don't bring me into this shit. No, no. What is your vision for the future of Aruba's economic pillar, tourism, considering the need to avoid over-tourism? Stop?
Speaker 1:Stop tourism no.
Speaker 3:He's like no.
Speaker 2:No, you're joking.
Speaker 1:He's like no Capacity of hotel candidates. During the debate I have a question for you, black and white. You said boutique hotels are stopping and, logically, I'm a kid who loves boutique hotels, so a total stop is not realistic.
Speaker 3:Let me just jump in. I don't know if I have a bullet in me or not. I mean, you're a Greek there. I know you're a Greek, but you don if it's funded, operated or whatever by locals.
Speaker 1:Omar Steve fully off the grid, full green owned by locals and you can put all those conditions fine and forward, but what's going to happen?
Speaker 1:at the same time, a war is going to be changed in the way government is going to change. I hope you'll be able to be a traditional party. The AWP revolutionizes government every time it works. It's going to happen. We're going to have a concept of social dialogue, but we're going to have two seats. We're going to have a floor table, we're going to have three tours, work tables, work names, and we're we change the way government does it. One of the other important changes that we are going to introduce is that we are going to come up with what we call a RAMWARE. It's a macro law. It promises three months of government. You go to parliament and you can have a law government. The government is in the parliament and it has a law that the next 10 years will pass and the next 5 years will come when we will put a large monitoring capacity of the hotel to make a catch-up of the infrastructure, the education, the public health. How will it stop? No, but there is infrastructure.
Speaker 3:We need to catch up on education.
Speaker 1:We need to catch up on public health, but no, for me, there is a development of disharmony. We have a high GDP, a high tourism level, but the number of people is not enough.
Speaker 3:The cabins are not enough.
Speaker 1:The bars are not enough, the buildings are not enough, the education is not education. We need to catch up. And to catch up, they have 500 million more than we used to get, but we don't have anything. We don't have anything. So, except for those who want to, who now ask who wants to pay for pension, if you put the right priority, you have the right to pay for pension. So what's important? That we have to place to pay for the pension. So this is very important because AFP is going to revolutionize the government with the framework that is going to pass. The parliament and the whole government is going to come to substantiate the process of 5,000 people, but there will be a law when the distribution of income will be better. There will be a law when access to housingize government as we know it, between a period and a government that will maintain the power of the parliament. That's going to revolutionize government as we know it in a way that government will be committed to make the changes.
Speaker 3:Do you have a question? No, no, no, okay, hamas, that's for the other weak bitches.
Speaker 2:Mike. That's for the other weak bitches. Mike. That's for other weak bitches. This one Hamas, Hamas, hamas, hamas, hamas, hamas.
Speaker 3:Hamas, hamas.
Speaker 2:Hamas, hamas, hamas.
Speaker 3:Hamas At the end of the day, whatever it would be. Rupert Sandler Is all the bullshit. These two political men, you can tell us All the bullshit At the end of the day. We have your bullshit On camera. By the way, this is Mike In general.
Speaker 1:I'm not known to bullshit. Okay, boom At the end of the day.
Speaker 3:People don't know how to call the ABC, but they don't know how to fact-check. First of all, we don't have a fact-check team.
Speaker 1:Why I sit very comfortable in this chair, making all these commitments and promises, is because AVP has a track record, because anyone can tell beautiful versions. If you have a version that you have set up, we're going to do this, we're going to do that Nice, everyone can make up versions. You need to be able to trace back if someone has the capacity or institution to make it happen.
Speaker 1:And the track record with our team is really, really impressive. I say it myself, it's not only my government. Historically, the AVP was there every time Aruba needed a change. Aruba needed a venue, a perspective, a hope. Avpnet.
Speaker 2:Nice Track record is one thing, but we also need a innovative from here on out, correct. That's also very important. Times has changed, so, costanco, maybe worked out back then you can't be campaigning with that shit.
Speaker 1:It's not effective, aoki, for this day and age, for us it's not important to refer to the track record to get votes for what I already did. It is to substantiate that when I say I'm going to increase the pension with 50 percent, I'm going to holland to get that 900 million I can show to klm. There wasn't in aruba and I convinced the dutch government to bring it. That's where I refer to my track record, not to say give me give me four I get shit done, I'm not shit, I get good things done.
Speaker 3:I'm like yes, I got you, Got you, bitch Mike. What do you think?
Speaker 2:You got shit done. It's not wrong. Wait what's going on Mike.
Speaker 3:What would your government do to help solve the labor shortage that exists in all the economic sectors?
Speaker 1:I don't legalize the labor shortage. It's a sensitive issue.
Speaker 3:I don't legalize it. I want to make sure it's legal. Ah, it's legal. Okay Damn. I want to make sure it's legal Like what Damn it.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, maybe by a long way. It's a liberal view but it's part of the legalized for usage.
Speaker 2:It's okay, mike, that's a conversation for a different time. Right now, let's talk about legalization.
Speaker 1:It's important. It's important for Ruba, for Nante, and it's important for us too. It's not fear for people to walk the whole day, fear of being arrested, and they're not here because they just wanted to be here.
Speaker 1:They're here because they were forced by the circumstances and Aruba has a history of immigration. Aruba has a history of immigration. Every time people come it's always difficult to assimilate and to get accustomed, but we basically are very effective in doing that because we had a period when there were only Indians living in Aruba and then Europeans came and we had to blend in Europeans. And then we had the period of refinery. We had the Western Caribbean people coming, people from Philippines, from China, and we assimilated so I'm not afraid of assimilation of the Latins, most of them American, living in Aruba to start being part of the living and also part of being an Aruban. You don't have to be born here to be an Aruban.
Speaker 2:I agree with that.
Speaker 1:You can just feel what it means to be Aruban. You don't have to be born here to be an Aruban. 5%. I agree with that. You can just feel what it means to be an Aruban in your soul and you can become a loving citizen of this island. And I believe if we give them the opportunity to have a fair and actual life in Aruba, where they don't have to turn back every day to see if, what a cost is coming to arrest them, they'll be more productive, they'll be more happy and they will be paying some part of the taxes 100%. And the other thing is with regard to the opening of the borders If we can get to good arrangements with the government of the Netherlands that there is good visa control in Venezuela, then this is also a possibility where we can start having normal life again, also for the people from Venezuela living in Aruba and from tourists coming from Venezuela.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tourists from Venezuela is a big deal because they are motherfucking spenders yo, I used to work in a hotel. They are senders.
Speaker 3:When you're still getting your fricks. You're like every single day. I hope you're in the Latino Ar are sanders.
Speaker 2:Like every single day, but Mike, okay. So I feel like Tocqueville is saying that the legalization of the people is full because it's a debate, right?
Speaker 2:no, mike it's a debate, okay. So basically we understand that. But they are working Physically, they have a job. They're bringing a company If they're legally selling here, of course they're going to say, okay, let's look for another job, another company, whatever, whatever they're going to collect more, but this, basically they're taking a hole and putting another hole in it, but we still have a shortage of labor forces. What else do we need to fix that issue?
Speaker 1:I always want to satisfy you with a simple answer but, in this case.
Speaker 1:I want to put it in a bigger perspective. Let's go. One of the things I feel when we talk about the whole labor reform not only how many more people we need, also, how are we going to arrange compensation in Aruba? For me, also in politics, is that the way that our capitalistic system works, it is not fair how we are sharing the prosperity of the island. So we need to find a way where someone can work one job and that is sufficient to have a basic good quality of life.
Speaker 1:Every household I knock now at 8 and nine, sometimes kids of eight open the door mama, ni, papa, no te. They have to work two jobs. And to Oronos, papia, the labor reform. We don't have to say how many more people we're going to need, because that's not the only problem. It's what type of economy we want to build from here forward so that, whatever amount of people we need, what are the compensation going to be? Because if we're going to get more people to come to Aruba and they're only going to make a minimum wage, if you look at the assets, we're going to provide them the education we're going to provide them the roads. We're going to provide them the water that is expensive, but if you look at it in the region it's for a lower price. Then you see that we are subsidizing a quality of life in Aruba To be broke as bitches, yeah, and that is why a new government for Aruba now is more than about some minor changes.
Speaker 1:It's about a total new vision for Aruba, and this new vision for Aruba has to do with how are we going to move forward with our economy where the money really trickles down and reaches the people? It is the basic. How Important role is the government in redistributing? Any good socioeconomic government in the world redistributes the wealth. They tax the rich, they collect the money and they help the people. Because you hear a lot about stories about everyone has a fair opportunity.
Speaker 1:Not everyone starts from the same place. So this whole thing about meritocracy, if you make it, you can make it. Not everyone starts from the same place. So people that start from a disadvantage need one type of other support. If it's Stedielening, if it's Reparats To laning, if it's reparations to slag, if it's whole kind of to slag, they need the support to reach a level where they have the comfort. That's why they're talking about basic income in the world right now. They want to give everyone a basic income. So you have Rosalia and then you can plan your life. But if you don't have Rosalia, you're just striving to keep your head above water. You cannot plan anything. You're just striving to keep your head above water. So we need to give people Rossella to be able to plan their life, to think about. Do I want to do an extra study now to improve my quality? If I have to work two jobs, I have to work two jobs.
Speaker 2:But, mike, you know what You're talking about. Something very important, I feel like, and it's part of Our teaching we're so stuck behind Until we get to the point when we're like More money, live a better life. They don't have money management skills To understand. Hey, you know, if you live like this, you'll earn more money. Call me to make sure this is double up or whatever, and not live like I. Don't live like this. I do feel that my opinion.
Speaker 3:It trickles back to education, 100%, I know, I know, but maybe it goes back down to You're going to go to school.
Speaker 2:I'm going to read books.
Speaker 3:I know, I know, but maybe it goes back down to you're going to agree with this business classes manage taxes, belasting, I think the central bank started a crash course of buffering with the class of buffering, but I think that I think that I think that's. I think that's.
Speaker 1:I expect you to just know it off bad.
Speaker 1:Oh shit. In Canada they did an experiment with the concept of basic income. They said that they would have a certain income. They also said that the idea of having a basic income would give them stability. They didn't panic, they didn't lose their income. They said to provide them with the mental clearness to plan their life. A lot of them get kind of skeptical. They said, no, we're not going to get a plan by Malgaste. And so they did some proof projecting. They took a community of 100,000 people in Canada, they did it in Europe also and they just provided them with this basic income for two, three years and they looked at how people would manage it.
Speaker 1:And for the people that are skeptical, you will be surprised. People manage it very responsibly and you have exceptions, but it was a success. So when we talk about providing people with some basic income so they can provide for the basic needs, I really believe that the amount of people that will misuse this is minor in comparison with people that will change their life with this type of support.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but I also feel like Canada compared to Aruba, an island that imports Turkish, it's very different. I understand what you're saying and I also trust it, but I don't feel like a person who is able to understand. Get what I'm saying and I also trust it, but I don't know if I can tell you who is able to understand. Empoderate, empoderate people to work, go work. Why are we incentivizing people to do certain things? I heard someone say I think it was Rocachong if an addict is an ambulance, do you go to rehab and you lose your understand? But if you don't go to rehab and you're an addict, you lose your understand. How does that make sense If you're going to encourage a person to say you're going to lose your money?
Speaker 1:No, I was prime minister eight years and every Saturday I would open up my office to receive people that need to talk to the prime minister. I did it on a Saturday it's my free day so I don't use the day that I have an important also work job to do for other things.
Speaker 1:That eight years was an experience for me, for society, its responsibility and sense of commitment to the family and commitment to the youth, and commitment to the family and commitment to the youth. What I also learned from that is that the amount of income that you get is the same as the amount of staff you have to manage. It's the same you also earn with other problems. So what I learned from that, from the response to the income that I get, is that it's not easy to get rid of Netflix. Thank you are of the same mentality. They have a spanning discipline. That is not correct. I think it will change the skepticism of different WACs. Many of them say that they really have serious, serious challenges and seriously want to change their life. There are many more, I agree.
Speaker 2:Anybody who really wants to change their life. I am for you and you deserve to get the help you deserve. But they are riding that wave and I used to work at the Ritz. Wow, how are you working? You don't have to afford to go to the casino every day. You can go to the casino.
Speaker 3:On a regular.
Speaker 1:You think people can spend Overspent 460 kilos they get.
Speaker 2:On base stand. That's what they get.
Speaker 1:On base stand yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's be for real. I deal with these people on a regular basis. I am Wow. We agree we can I'm telling you que é realidade também. All right.
Speaker 3:Tense is in the air. I'm just saying Facts are facts no, but você sabe que é um bom exemplo, assim como no final da tarde, em sentido de como você pode agree or disagree e não tem brincamento para botar a taça e o bolo.
Speaker 1:I see that because I see it too, but I just want to give as an additional information that from my experience, that is a minority and it's not fair to cast that cloud over people that are really suffering. If there's someone who doesn't know if they're going to pay for water and medicine, who doesn't know if they're going to pay for it or if they're going to pay for water, so if there's someone who doesn't know how to manage a pension, that is a minority and we cannot cast that cloud on a majority.
Speaker 2:I'm not casting it on all. We need to be way more strict on who is behind the sack. This is a plaque that goes to another person with a mystery, but it's going to go to people who are wasting it badly, and what control do we have behind it? That's where I'm coming from. There are people with a mystery. They need it.
Speaker 3:Mike, I mentioned over the remedy. Looking at the last conversation, what's your plan for 36 back?
Speaker 1:It's a government plan, the AVP. That is irrealistic. Before the map, you used to get every medicine that doctors were prescribing and you didn't have to pay for the medicine. There's a medicine, for example, a vaccine that a client pays for and a remedy a doctor prescribes prescribes a remedy for your stomach and prescribes this to coat your stomach against blood and all that, and then I recover. If I go to the store and I don't pay for this, they end up not taking it. They don't have the money to pay, and the consequences for someone who doesn't take it it's dramatic. The situation becomes worse for the patient and in the end, they don't pay more. So if you put a full bottle of this to take it, it's not as bad as it. Correct?
Speaker 3:But you're saying that the commonness is wrong. Again, we don't know much about politics, but you're saying that we have something in AZV, something of 8 million. So how do you say 8 million is back. Or how do you say medicine is back, you get medicine back.
Speaker 1:Or food. No, it's back.
Speaker 1:AZV has a surplus, so I don't know where they're cutting from, but they have a surplus now, so there's no justification for cutting here. For us. It's just kind of an obsession at the moment. The government kind of insists on paying, but the consequence is that until 20 months in the long term, if you put not as a human being but look at it pure, like out of numbers financially, at the end you have to pay more because you put money in it. It becomes worse and it becomes worse. At the end it costs more bigger operation or a bigger operation?
Speaker 2:Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 3:Do you have any questions About the whole medicine stuff or no? You?
Speaker 2:good Because I want to change. No, we good, we good, we good for now.
Speaker 3:But we're going to move on To the next time. I think Seriously, it's all good.
Speaker 2:We can move on For this one.
Speaker 3:What's up with me, avip? But that's the energy. It's not me. Avip is back in government. How do you implement the transition here? What is the concrete plan to generate more renewable energy? You know this is.
Speaker 1:This is a real what-if question. You know what if we continued in 2017? Richard Branson mentioned our number. He's a partner of Aruba. He's a friend of mine. He's in love with Aruba. What? Yes, a friend.
Speaker 3:Next time I'll tell you what I don't know in this podcast.
Speaker 1:I don't know, he's beautiful. He goes windsurfing, skydiving, everything.
Speaker 3:My brother.
Speaker 1:Next time I'm going to say like I don't know, like I don't know, I don't know, like I don't know, like I don't know, like I don't know like I don't know, like I, but we're not putting a goal along with Richard Branson, but we're going with him to Rio Plus 20, where there's a conference on energy big In 2020, we're going to be in 2020, aruba is also totally sustainable in the area of energy In 2020. In 2020.
Speaker 3:In 2020, we're going to be in 2020.
Speaker 1:She embraces herself, she puts her institute, which is called Carbon War Room, to endorse us and, at the moment, one endorsement after another, aruba begins to win, we win Al Gore Aruba for our Green Conference. At the moment, there is also the first astronaut from the Netherlands, wilbur Ockels, who I have in peace of mind Astronaut from the Netherlands who arrives from orbit with NASA. Aruba embraces the concept of our vision. With NASA, we started to embrace the concept of innovation and we started to work with a concept with Aruba to build a sustainable island with Tahassi and for me, transition to be totally dependent on alternative energy, but not only and none but our link, a little inspired by the Netherlands, and concept the Netherlands, I hope you know. The water management. Little inspired by the Netherlands is the concept of the Netherlands, I hope you know, for water management, because half of the Netherlands is about the water level. The Netherlands manages the water level in an innovative way, worldwide recognized, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:So the concept is to be successful in the house, to develop a knowledge economy around it. So Holland is being hired all over the world to go to Dubai and build islands, etc.
Speaker 3:Because they're known for it. Known for it, yeah.
Speaker 1:So what was our idea is, if we become the first island to make this transition, everybody is going to be known for having A role model for this island, a role model, kind of a showcase for how this is possible.
Speaker 1:And then we will be hired by other islands in the neighborhood, by South American countries and our students from Eindhoven to Delft that are not coming back to Aruba will come back to Aruba and that's why we brought to Aruba TNO. And, by the way, shaq, I'm saying all this not to gain votes for my track record, but to say that when I'm going to say we're going to make Aruba green and we're going to make it the most innovative island, I can refer to job that has been done.
Speaker 2:As you should. They can hold your car Next TNO they'll be some patch of the MAGA.
Speaker 3:Make Aruba great again A job that has been done.
Speaker 1:Because what if we continue with the things here after 2017, with Richard Branson, with Al Gore, with TNO, with Richfield Academy, with the Institute of Culture, with the Best Art School of the Netherlands, with the Green Faculty, with Yamase City University of Aruba, to prepare people to think and work, and academically at the level to put load and vision to our business, so that we can have the concept that we want to put the transit of Aruba to depend only on tourism for an economy that is not only money-wise but also in the concept of the challenge, because that changes the perspective of a job opportunity in Aruba. So we got pretty far. The small interruption we're back at this table, so in 2025, we can start with this again and this time hopefully get to a point where we can really make it happen hopefully get to a point where we can really make it happen a better deal, plus you're not putting solar panels, so I want to apply it to my house.
Speaker 3:I don't want to be like I'm going to create a one-tier land, so it depends on your neighborhood as well.
Speaker 1:I know where it's going to be. Require a government that's really on top of things. Not Elmar, not Webb. Not Elmar, not Webb. No, not that. Sorry. Ni Elmar, ni Webb thought that in favor of making this transition, but we really sat with them convincing this has to happen. You cannot come in government and say I would like to make this happen, I would like to do that.
Speaker 1:Anybody can talk about that If you're not going to sit above it and we would have every week Fort Hansboak and make sure that every goal you set out to realize that really is a good follow-up on it. And that's something we did with a lot of energy and passion and that is what you need to do. If you have a big ambition, you really need to put. They ask me very often you know your prime minister of Aruba. In the United States they call you the president, commander-in-chief. How would you describe your function? I say you need to be the follow-up in chief. You don't have a vision, but you need to follow up. And Aruba things go very slow and institutions will work it taken don't agree with you about your vision. They don't want to automate. They don't want to do this.
Speaker 2:They don't want to automate they don't want to do this, they want that. So you have to be on top of it, and I believe that we lost also seven years by not being on top of things. Oh clock, that's it, mike. Okay. So ara, mike, so you just mentioned over the estudiantinan and I feel like it's a very great point. I'll repeat it again Aruba, having unattractive jobs is not the only reason for not being back, of not caring to be back. Correct, a big aspect, or a big part of the aspect of a big team that has this role, is that you're overqualified. Once you're back, with whatever job you have, there's no housing available, so you're leaving a space that's completely independent. You have your own privacy. You don't have to go back to either go back to your major or not have to go back or do whatever. Then you also have the aspect of going to the Netherlands. They meet someone. They fall in love. What solution does AVP or Mike have for this?
Speaker 1:What's important for us is housing, as I mentioned, because it's where our students are really compliant. The last thing I know is that you're also referring to this. For us, what we're looking at is not housing, but also at quality of the living. In the Netherlands, we are used to buying a house or having a residential area or having common services. We have a swimming pool, we have a gym, we have a whole concept of living, not only by having a house, and our students get used to seeing in Europe a whole community development aid, and then we have a part of our community that is developing. There is a tennis court, a swimming pool, and then two people never arrive.
Speaker 1:It's a pity, which is why I want to go back to the question of Shamila about the evasion of this thing. There is a person named Elon Musk who is currently developing new housing concepts with our partner, who is probably a model for housing concepts. I didn't expect that in Aruba, so I didn't expect that in Aruba, and it's a primordial thing. I'm not going to ask Florin to hire us from the Netherlands to convince us. I'm going to ask him to invest. And who will pay you back?
Speaker 3:I always want to ask. I'm not going to ask, I'm not going to ask.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to ask, I'm not going to ask. I'm I don't know is not reaching a level. There are two arguments. I think it's very important. No, I think it's very important.
Speaker 3:I think it's very important. I think it's very important. Correct me if I'm wrong. Suppose you have so many tickets for the Netherlands, so instead of paying back the money, you have a little bit of money from.
Speaker 1:Europe but we are not getting anything from the Netherlands.
Speaker 3:We are spending 9 million euros during COVID.
Speaker 1:So we are not going to pay between 40 to 50 million per year back.
Speaker 3:We are not going to pay any money back.
Speaker 1:So we have a visa based on the Portuguese account with Cabo Verde, which we are not going to, of the local account of Portugal with Cabo Verde, with our Netherlands and our Mozambique with Cabo Verde and Portugal. They reached an agreement. That means 50 million that they have to pay back to stay with. A Dutch person has a lot to say to convince them to kind of get away Correct, to build a budget discipline to have a flossing of the budget. Build a budget discipline to have a afflossing. So we have to bring up that 50 million a year. The difference is we're not going to send it to Holland, we're going to send it to this investment fund that we'll have in Aruba. That will be managed by Holland and Okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 1:A track record. Track record is important. It's important, you can promise a lot of things. You need to have a track record. When someone comes and applies for a job here, does it come with a portfolio?
Speaker 3:No, yes.
Speaker 1:In reality.
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 1:A lot of people come into the table.
Speaker 3:Am I a job offer? I'm like, bro, I'm going to apply to this place. People just talk about the skills you have and they can see it sometimes.
Speaker 1:But in this case, part of this is not important about Aruba. If you go to the fund of the Indian government, of course you don't have enough money to make a big capital investment, and if the government doesn't make the right priorities, you have to have schools, schools and subjects that you have to do. Now that you have a house, a window, you don't have that. Now you have it and you have to make money. That's what happened to us in 2009.
Speaker 1:The government 2001, 2009, had new maintainers, like happening now. The road broke, the building broke, even with our office in Benta, and we made a big change to create a quality of life, not only for our tourists, but also for our hobby, business, where my coach, where I also do international research, said I only want five-star hotels, I want five-star schools, five-star neighbors, neighborhoods, five star quality of life for our citizens, and so the correlation is that it is a big task that AVP has to do Connect those people back, because the connection is here. There is no correlation between the place where you go and what you see on the street, on schools, on neighborhoods, on the street, on whatever you call it MFA hospital. We want to walk it back, so we have to create a connection back.
Speaker 2:What do you think about the teacher who has reached a cap or has reached 30-something years in service?
Speaker 1:It's not good and the AVP is putting a new salary back. It's a new concept of compensation for the school, which cannot continue to grow. Unfortunately, the government cannot continue to do it, but I feel that in every party there is a support for this. So if I don't find a way to do it, I don't know if it's a problem. Another thing is the pension that you have.
Speaker 3:I think there's a person who knows the word for a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:A lot of money, a lot of money. What do you want to share?
Speaker 1:The important thing is to share, and share with the world. I hope you use it politically Correct and actually it's a big mistake. Correct, it's not true. We're in kind of a recession, but as soon as we get there, we have to always bring our plans forward. And as soon as we get there, we have to bring our plans to restore, renew our city, our barrio. We have the whole concept of infrastructure inverted in the country to create a gap between what we're doing now and between tourism development and the rest of the island. Close that gap.
Speaker 1:So we had a plan. It was worth it, world Economic Prize. So now that we have 30 governments, the people can choose. We have a choice. The screen changes, but we can't do it anymore, so we said no. Also, there are many economists who say we have a time of recession, we have to invest to push the economy. So we plan to invest in a great restaurant, restaurant, a restaurant, a city, a neighborhood, a school. It's the best time to invest. So I see our fear plate for our hasty investment there, which is not a fear the work of the middle, when the debt was there and with the beer, they were in the middle and the background of the people. They were under the house, you can say that, but the people who were in the middle it's time to say it again but the people who were in the middle were not big, but it was not in numbers the people with the same character. We couldn't continue Aruba like that, because it was not fair to destroy buildings and other things, but it was not fair to the product of Aruba that we are selling and that's why we made an investment here At the time.
Speaker 1:Puebla got re-elected in 2013. Then there was a jammery issue here. At that time they had a loose track of development versus a loan that they made. It was kind of effective for the campaign to come up. They wanted to have a wall. They had a wall With no investment. How important those investments were.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't mean that Trump is a worth it investment. Yes, it's a concept around it.
Speaker 1:Investments were Mike does it mean that Trump is a worth it investment. Yes, yes. And then the concept around it. The concept around it is what is that? The concept around it is that the street is a thriving main street. Walking up, there's a biba, a boat, there's an anchor store, a restaurant, a cafe. And what do you do now?
Speaker 3:I've been saying that for years.
Speaker 1:I've been saying that for years. I've been saying that. For years I've been saying that. For years I've been saying that. For years I've been saying that.
Speaker 3:for years I've been saying that for years I've been saying that for years. I've been saying that for years.
Speaker 1:I've been saying that for years. I've been saying that for years. I want to see him move and I don't want to see him attractive, so I don't want to see him in jail. I want to see him in jail and I don't want to see him attractive. So I try to get him off and I don't want to stop and I don't want to stop, and I don't want to stop, and I don't want to stop and I don't want to stop. They didn't see anything. Not a new attraction going on.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I have to say it. Say what you gotta.
Speaker 2:This is no filter, mike.
Speaker 1:Government Is just Totally Afraid to understand the concept of Trump. I totally didn't grasp it.
Speaker 2:How do you feel that all is a reoccurring thing, that no one respects what people have done before to start implementing? Why is that?
Speaker 1:If there's something that I want to say, something about the program here, it's important for the people to listen. 100% vision of Callagrande Main Street. Kind of try to do more effort, but not bipartisan, but in continuity. So we have a green vision and I would embrace the world. I never expected a government to just stop the course, but it's all the two green. Maybe the green ladies they didn't want to hear anything about it. No, wait a second.
Speaker 2:But it's all too green. Maybe Green damage in the sense of green damage.
Speaker 1:Juan didn't want to hear anything about it. I won't stop. Let's look there's no solar cell added by government, not by private cell since 2007. Let's look there's no solar panel anymore with the government coming with it, with a school, with a barrio, with a park. There's no airport, there's no Colorado there. They just stop. Let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop, let it stop.
Speaker 3:Let than Stalin, timas, yes, tim 3. I'm saying 2.
Speaker 1:I thought it was one of the bushes.
Speaker 2:No, tim 3., tim 3. And we?
Speaker 1:want to have this conversation over four years, until our government and everyone is stepping down of the Trump, suddenly handed by a high aha moment of the Trump.
Speaker 3:Now it makes sense.
Speaker 2:But locals can't even afford to even have restores and things Like the rent that they're asking for. That's huge. Like how do you want me to even start? Rent is crazy and you're not even paying the dollar.
Speaker 1:Another concept that the government has pursued is that we have a project of a hired hotel above a free space. We have a project of a Hyatt Hotel. It's a free space. There are two One in the land and one a little further up, yeah, in front of Aldo, which you create.
Speaker 1:You have to walk a tour of the world. The environment is called environment, people are called people. If you don't see people walking, you don't see the atmosphere. You have to create a critical mass of people present, food traffic, food traffic and nothing food traffic at the moment. If nothing food traffic, it's not a good place.
Speaker 3:It's a vibe In Miami. There's a place, it's a vibe In Miami. There's a Lincoln Road in Miami. It's not a Lincoln Road, but it's Wynwood, it's a vibe In Miami.
Speaker 1:you go to Lincoln Road in Miami. I don't go to Lincoln Road but there's. Wynwood. That's correct and I'm interested in Wynwood. I want to talk to the local merchants Well.
Speaker 3:Wynwood is more an art district. Lincoln Road is basically a long street that doesn't have any traffic or any car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they remove everything. They close the road. I think the parking help fuck that up as well when Aru parking came, it wasn't something that I wanted to explain to the people. It's the same, you have a good life, but everyone is to pay, like we didn't get that speech a little more to prepare us a little son. And then it came to a point where, okay, I have to pay to park on the beach, antonio, nobody has to do it on the beach anyway.
Speaker 1:You know, this is where three years ago what if? You know what if 2007 didn't happen that turned around. So we have three parking areas projected. One is the State House, the free land in Naanam, okay. We have one. One is the GSP. One is the area where at the moment there is a store etc In Naanam there is one more.
Speaker 1:And in Aruba Trading. Behind Aruba Trading we're doing another parking, aruba Trading. The idea is that all people who are employed by a park, practically for nothing in a parking garage to have free all areas. Shoppers who come hope close to shops and shop Then happen. It's also about energy. What if? It's a big question we ask ourselves when we go to the voting booth in 2024, what if in 2017, what if? What if?
Speaker 2:Where we have been partners like.
Speaker 1:Richard Branson with us, concept of green, if we still have people who are in the world of technology and cannabis, if we still have Elon Musk to work with and he's there all the time in Aruba. So we still have friends, we still have partners. Tesla is a firm with us. Philips is a firm with us. Really, yeah, Philips affirmed with us.
Speaker 1:Philips affirmed with us the transition of the Tesla and what is my battery to charge to charge and for utility companies to overload the storage of wind and solar, to store and to redistribute and what is my battery? Because of the technology of the car and solar, and then we redistribute it.
Speaker 1:We are bringing in more batteries because of the technology of the auto. So we are doing this as a showcase. Richard Branson is doing this Now with our hands. It's only to be colored. But he is also going to show the community what we have as a living lab. We are going to drive in and out to show how we are doing living lab so we can show you how the house is totally green, with electricity, with water management, with high electricity. The concept is not that good, maybe to prove our state, but that's exactly what I want to show you on Netflix and say, okay, in 2024, we have the opportunity in 2025 to restart this vision, to go to the next level, mike.
Speaker 2:I have two what-if questions, okay. First one is what if Mike is in demand during COVID? What would you do differently? Another what-if, tabira what if the Netherlands doesn't agree with the terms that Mike is coming with? What is the backup plan for this? Let's start with COVID first.
Speaker 1:I must say that we followed the international rules, the international protocol and at that time there was a world consensus. A world consensus that lockdowns were necessary and to have a process with the canop to maintain the virus from not spreading at the airport, etc. I think there's a national consensus, as you know, that the government of Europe has a lot of choice to deviate from it. There is an insight that maybe you didn't have to close the airports for so long because people are immune by themselves. Maybe you have to protect the elderly more, but that's all in sight. But at the moment we did not disagree with what the government is doing.
Speaker 3:That's why Sorry, I didn't hear you. You were actually agreeing to something. I mean listen it's responsible and growing.
Speaker 1:It's a reason that can kind of shine a light on the difference between AFP and me. I really believe that if the government doesn't let you know that you're wrong, I feel that at the moment, despite having a lady who was taking chemotherapy at the moment and not having a vaccine yet, and the resistance is below low and I had a virus in my body.
Speaker 1:I was conscious of the, the photo. I put the job, aware of the threat, and I don't feel the responsibility to not question the government in the way the job in other countries is associated. The government has a lot of knowledge to manage the situation to have an opposition to me. I don't agree with that.
Speaker 1:We didn't believe maybe electorally it has a positive effect. I don't agree with that. We didn't believe Maybe Electoral, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 3:Maybe, maybe, let's go.
Speaker 1:That's one of the reasons that we didn't think it was responsible by questioning the government that has, at the moment, a lot of capital. We didn't feel that would be responsible.
Speaker 2:Let me just clarify the question here as well. What I meant with that is that the AVP has always been known for being a party of the people, correct, that's from. I always remember that it was no. Social media didn't exist back then. There was no Of AVP's band, at least a video of Mike. It was a scary moment, but we were together. That smaller initiative is what is missing for the Partido de Pueblo with Radio Silent, net junto, and that, that small little initiative even though I understand what was going on because we were all in it, but that's what I meant with AVP was just extremely quiet. It was like we did two things.
Speaker 1:In March, as it happened, I gave a national address you have to go back in the archive to find it, but it was very much seen and basically giving the government support to go do their job, because we felt that this was a national crisis moment and there was no room for politics. And we did something below the radar. We had brainstorming sessions in the Renaissance Convention Center with experts to ask them you know, after this, what do we expect for tourism, what do we expect for public health? But we didn't like advertise it big, but we were preparing ourselves, which is quite remarkable because everyone thought that life would never return to the same Exactly and life returned to more than the same, but anyway,
Speaker 1:every expert we spoke to at that time were like no, we won't have cruise ships anymore, people won't come in big hotels anymore. But I mean, you see that it's very difficult to predict things anymore. But you see that it's very difficult to predict things. The second question about the 900 million, about Holland.
Speaker 1:If we don't get it, there's always space in government budget to make different priorities. We are missing priorities to support people in their cost of living and in the purchasing power that we can always create a fund for ourselves. We can create a form of community to make a decision, a burden in the sense that it's not for government, but we're going to put money for education or things like that. We can do that. So what I say is come the moment, we'll have to sit on the table with everyone and take the priorities Our house in 2009, more than the majority, our three and two people at the table to take challenges, options and say let's make the choices together, to have support from the community to where we're going and to have a perspective, to find that people feel again that they want to go back. They want to go back. If they don't call me, I'll tell them the story of the office. They want to go back and pay the money. They want to be part of the change they want to go back.
Speaker 3:All right, Mike, do you have a GSM ATA Please? Yeah, less so ATA.
Speaker 2:A brief yeah, yeah, Actually it's going to be a segment of ATA and I'm like what, let's go. You're going to go with Ronella. Yes, yes, yes, ronella is a bird.
Speaker 3:Ronella is a bird, I will. According to your knowledge, the Aruba Tourism Authority investing investing in protecting nature and the environment projects through a partnership agreement. Is this through, yes or no?
Speaker 1:I don't see it enough. I don't see it enough. I find that Of no, and then explanation.
Speaker 1:I agree that part right there, mikey, when you have a hotel, you have to break your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to spend money. You have to go to the operation. You have to go to the knee operation. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs. You have to work your legs.
Speaker 2:It's modern day slavery it is.
Speaker 1:They have leverage at the table. They manage 50 million florins. The marketing and players in tourism manage 120 million florins of marketing and not for Biza and players who don't have tourism 120 million florins not to manage nothing. Leverage at the table for Biza and hotel in the country. You know what we want to do, but you know what we want and we don't have a socio-economic vision of our merchandise that goes to the hotel of. So probably you did that Shit makes hotels, makes schools, makes neighbors, makes quality of life to know who has a connection.
Speaker 2:Thank you, you did that Shit.
Speaker 3:I'm also happy to say that, but I'm going to say this again it's enough.
Speaker 1:It's not enough. It's not enough. And there's no leverage to say more. Okay, second question.
Speaker 2:All right. So overtourism is a worldwide topic that Aruba is not immune to. From the perspective of your political party, what is Aruba's strategy for mitigating overtourism and promoting regenerative tourism in 2025, according to the Aruba Tourism Authority? Is it A increasing guest arrivals by 20%. B attracting high-value guests who align with responsible tourism principles. C focusing solely on luxury tourism. Or. D encouraging mass tourism to boost economic growth?
Speaker 1:None of the above. Ha Bye, ha, ha, ha.
Speaker 3:Ha, ha Ha.
Speaker 2:Ha, ha, ha Ha.
Speaker 3:Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Ha. But if you do it in a way that I don't like it's a correct and just answer.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you always answer, and then you answer again.
Speaker 1:I always do it, which I like to do, which I like to do. I took five years of expansion of hotel capacity. I regularly restrict as much as possible the addition of new rooms and to house the five INA. To have a catch-up with the five INAs. To look for an economic model that has performance for everyone. To look for protection of the environment that is better put in line to protection of the environment. It's better to put it in law. To look for education. To maximize the opportunity for tourism to exist so that the plate can really reach where it has to reach for the well-being of all people. And that's where neither AHA or AHA is putting the right priorities.
Speaker 1:There are many things numbers, hotel capacity, red bar so much plate in our country for tourists. There is no correlation there. It is not sustainable. We need to have shared values, not benefits of the shareholders. We need to have shared values, not only shareholders values. We need shared values. If we don't have that, we are not sustainable in the sense of the community. But we have less appreciation for tourism because it's more than In this case. I feel that the industry has started to dislike its performance because its life is not enough.
Speaker 3:But, mike, I'll tell you when it's like this. No, no, no, I'll tell you when it's like this. I don't want to cross anyone's way, but I'll tell you when it's like this.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you when it's like this.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you when it's like this I'll tell you when it's like this Otherwise they'll say you're too much to answer the question. I'll put nuance here, so I can understand by share, by peace of mind I'll do it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I will say this A increasing guest arrivals by 20%. B attracting high-value guests who align with responsible tourism principles. C focusing solely on luxury tourism, or D. C focusing solely on luxury tourism, or D encouraging mass tourism to boost economic growth. B, that is correct.
Speaker 3:Thank you, okay, she answered. Okay, she didn't come and talk to us, all right. So last question Now A, b, c, so if you don't have an explanation, go for it. As a general knowledge, tourism is vital to Aruba's economy, driving development, job creation and local business growth. As the island's main export, it significantly contributes to Aruba's GDP. What percentage of Aruba's nominal GDP is derived from tourism? Is it A, 50%, b, 60%, c, 70% or D, 80%, 80%. It's close, but no, it's actually 50%.
Speaker 1:That's a difference of opinion. I'm going to have to answer this.
Speaker 2:He studied law. Don't look at it.
Speaker 3:We don't have much time. We've heard plans from Mike. We've heard plans from Stephanie. I'm with Stephanie. From Mike, what's a good version of San Nicolas?
Speaker 1:What's important about San Nicolas is making it a livable city. There's a lot of ideas here hotels, refineries, etc. But with San Nicolas people want to have a good life. They want a good housing, a good school, a nice area to go to, a nice shop, a park, a sports facility, but with San Nicolas there's a lot, so there are many people with other lives in San Colas. There are two kinds of opinions about a hotel, a restaurant, etc. And that's another thing that I like to hear about here in San Colas.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 1:People who want a nice residential area, acceptable for a fair life, with lights, with roads, with a playground for many people, with good schools, with a beach, with a beach club, a shop. If we can make San Nicolas a dream living village the entire idea of new infrastructure, water towers, joanna Morto renovation the whole idea of creating a dream living city, which we want a government to be able to do and the citizens of Colas in England don't have an expert who can show them how to pass through the revenue or how to pass through the refinery or the hotel. The community needs to find its way to have a little stability in the quality of life with the land, and not just the quality of life with the land, but the housing conditions, infrastructure conditions, school conditions. That's where we have a big debt with San Nicolas, to have a big income there. That's where we have a big debt with San Nicolas. We have a big debt and we are part of it. Boom, we have a big debt to make a dream liveable city.
Speaker 2:I feel like we just need activities going on To everything else. San Nicolas is thinking it's just dead. It's just dead. There's no sense of community anymore, there's no sense of there's things to do. That is what San Nicolas means. Correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct, correct. It was always a sense of community. But the cannabis, I think the only thing that St Nicholas wants. I feel like it's not just the part of Aruba. We don't want to be Aruba and St Nicholas no, it should just be Aruba in general and to everything that the rest of Aruba Benefits. Fig, st Nicholas should also.
Speaker 1:Have a part of that. It should just be. And the way you can start creating that assurance and feeling is by investing in San Nicolas. You cannot have this discrepancy in the entire area of tourism, the hotel and San Nicolas Last night. Again, the dictator Kumi is not winning the day, but he's winning Because I mean last night, but it's a lot of work, because I know it's a lot of work, but it's a lot of work. It's a beautiful place. It's beautiful, it's high, it's impressive, but the housing conditions are not good.
Speaker 1:It's not working and one more street. It's a lot of work, but it's a path that we can't walk, and when you're in Nánar, it's a very good way to put a sidewalk, and here in Nahanan it has a totally different feeling than in Nahanan there's no attention, yet there's no sidewalk, there's no road, there's no light, there's nothing, and you end up feeling more respected, more part of the community, more enthusiastic. So if we invest in creating a quality of life just for the population and part of San Nicolas is one, but the problem is that I don't want San Nicolas anymore. I'm from a company in Socotoro.
Speaker 2:I've done the same thing.
Speaker 1:Here's Venezuela, strat a little bit of Socotoro. People come here and they have an abandoned home, and that's what I've been doing for 10 years. So there's a big challenge for us to create a revitalized island where we have a clear vision. Everyone is excited. People go to the bank borrow the money to fix the houses.
Speaker 2:Government has to be part of that partnership, because you have to do it at the end of the year. Now you have to sweat and you have to do it every four years, if the card doesn't arrive at the basic then you don't have the card Exactly.
Speaker 3:I like the idea. I support it. I think it's a good thing that we have this national or bear tax system that we have.
Speaker 1:Before that the Humber and Moherta were together and we could pay more taxes. It's a simple legislation but a very important legislation. It's not separate, because Humber pays its taxes based on its income and the lady pays it, and that's Very important legislation of families in Aruba. It costs us a lot. We don't have a general pension, we don't have social repairs. Aruba is a challenge, and not just Aruba. You just read about the challenges for the Western democratic countries in the world. You know that one of the biggest challenges, besides climate change, is the equitable distribution of wealth. There is a problem with the economic model that's been introduced in the 1950s, with the father and the mother having to pay for the rent, having to pay for the car.
Speaker 3:I'll be doing it. It makes sense.
Speaker 1:The system is not producing that type of income. The mother has to pay, the father has to pay, the son has to pay. A lot of money has to be paid to study and read. Just the economic. Mama will tell you, daddy will tell you I will give you a piece of paper to pay for your studies Just the economic model is over and we have to change.
Speaker 1:And Aruba and this is interesting, and now that we have a government with a lot of endorsements, one endorsement is with Amaaya, with a friend, with a friend always with Jan-Peter Balken, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands. He wants to understand not just one government with Amaia, with a friend, with a friend, with Jan-Peter Balken, the Prime Minister of the Netherlands. He said we have to understand with the government, with the Red Party, we have to understand that Aruba has a great showcase to try other economic models, to try other economic models. To try other economic models, to try other economic models. So if you can do it in a small community, you can do it in a small community, you can do it in a large community.
Speaker 1:And so only because they are attractive to Aruba, they are able to embrace the brands, the Al Gore, the Kuturini. So they wanted to try out certain ideas. But if we can do it in a small scale, then we can upscale it, then we can do it for the city, we can do it for the nation. The Aruba thought the thing, the credibility. You don't only have the will, but you I hope so Making big things happen.
Speaker 3:Don't forget about us when you bring him here. Bring him on the show, Okay.
Speaker 1:Provecha Elon Musk, come on Please. Elon Musk, come on Please.
Speaker 3:He's too smart for us to be sitting. We're going to have tough conversations.
Speaker 2:Not for you it's not me.
Speaker 3:No, but Mike, we're going to be. It's not me, it's only like a week away 13 12 days away no it's not over the insurer long time right now it's we need to ask the hard questions. We can joke a little bit, but it's critical, shit is critical.
Speaker 2:There's no time for a little joke.
Speaker 3:I have another question for Mike. How do you vote for Mike Amon of AVP?
Speaker 1:I vote for him because it's a really hard job, mr Vota, by Mike Eymann of AWP track record for Moosler, who now has great ambitions for the country and has managed to accomplish some great things that have changed the course of the country here. The institute here, called AVP, was born from a common feeling that everyone has in Aruba over the years. My great-grandfather used to dream of going to Aruba to have a waif one day, and he used to bring a WAF to Aruba. He used to call Cornelius Emancada too, and I hope it's not impossible. I hope that he doesn't have to go to the hospital to plan with us. He insists that Aruba has the right to get a WAF. If you don't have a WAF, you can go to a pier to get one. He insists, and he is is included in the institute here.
Speaker 1:Avp always has a great ambition to connect with what is exactly meant for the people, with our translation of a better quality of life for our citizens, and if she doesn't go from one generation to another, it's commitment, it's vision, and every time she naturally ask for another vision that you don't have to change. But it's a commitment and a mission of my course to create a better quality of life for your people. And AVP for PCI always and AVP once more for PCI. And PCI for us is important because we have a team and a plan and the team has a new people to introduce ideas, concepts, visions. We have a team and a plan and the team has a new hobby to introduce new ideas, new concepts, new visions, along with the concept of proven technology, proven capacity and along with the combination. Here we are making a difference for Aruba and we want to thank the community here. If on December 6 we can celebrate together and Aruba chooses a new direction, awesome, a guiding star. That's what we are working for for the people and the country, awesome.
Speaker 2:Fafaf, tell us, eliminate BBO and implement BTV. Btv okay, good damn.
Speaker 3:I had a question I forgot to ask you, guys, even though Mike is back on the show, will you be back, of course? Okay, good, I'm going to take the camera, guys, I hope you enjoyed episode A. We are Guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. We'll see you next time. We'll be back with another show For the radio, but we'll be back, so thank you. So, guys, if you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to the channel. If you have any questions, comment. If you have any questions, please leave a comment. If you have any questions, comment and we'll have a debate in the comment section.
Speaker 3:If you have any questions, it doesn't matter. Until then, guys, we'll see you guys next time.
Speaker 2:Adios.
Speaker 3:Peace.