No Filter in Paradise
Two friends, one's straight one's Gay, with different backgrounds, interest, upbringing & outlook in life come together to have a Fun & honest conversation and discuss their opinions on different topics... with no filter.
No Filter in Paradise
From Teenage Gamer to Professional Esports Entrepreneur | EP 192
Jeff Macolonie shares his incredible journey from teenage gamer to successful esports entrepreneur, revealing how he built Fuego Esports into a thriving company despite skepticism from family and industry insiders.
• Became a professional League of Legends player at 17 years old, earning $3,500 monthly while living in Mexico
• Created Fuego Esports from scratch to provide opportunities for Caribbean gamers
• Expanded operations to Colombia to access larger markets and brand partnerships
• Currently working with major brands including KFC, JBL, and Pony Malta
• Plans to launch a six-month FIFA tournament in Curaçao with over $10,000 in prize money
• Envisions creating a Caribbean-wide gaming ecosystem and festival combining esports with island culture
• Emphasizes the importance of passion, attitude, and skill as core values for success in gaming
• Openly discusses entrepreneurial challenges including burnout and mental health struggles
• Credits mentorship as crucial for professional development and personal growth
• Maintains that failure is essential for growth: "If you're not having problems, that's your biggest problem"
If you're interested in gaming or want to learn more about Fuego Esports' upcoming tournaments, follow Jeff on Instagram at @JeffMacolonie or reach out directly with your ideas.
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You give girl dad for sure.
Speaker 2:Why do you say that though? You would spoil your little girls. They would get away with murder with you, Alright this is a no filter podcast, so I'm going to be no filter.
Speaker 3:That's the point. That's the whole reason we're here. We're sitting all comfortable and shit.
Speaker 2:You don't know anything about games Boy. I watch Housewives and that good shit.
Speaker 3:He doesn't know anything about games.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, you should I watch Housewives and that good shit? He doesn't know anything about games. That's crazy. He just did not believe in it, especially my dad. Like, my dad was very tough on me. Grab my router. You have to do really good at school. You have to make sure you know that you get the results, because that's what he was used to, right? No wait, I can't. Even I have to mention this. This is a shout-out me, the key of the demo. Now that you have the opportunity to make it happen, I'm gonna give you two thousand dollars, I think it was.
Speaker 3:buy a computer and make it happen what was I doing going around seeing your frogs? God?
Speaker 3:damn it, I always say, like bro, I wish I never stopped playing video, I wish I didn't listen to my dad like, so I'm gonna be doing mario party with mario kart. I love it, though Damn it, alright, guys. Hey yo, what is up? Alak, how is this? Guys? Welcome back to the ABC Island's favorite motherfucking podcast. No Fills Are In Paradise, a show about anything and everything between two friends. One is straight and the other your beautiful melanated queen.
Speaker 1:Y'all know she's gay, but she's the baddest guys. Look at shark, this guy looks white on white on white like I don't know he's looking so good.
Speaker 3:No on white no white on white, on white the background. Why? Don't you like because, like that's why that's what you're saying to be. Guys, I'm looking at his monitor right now and you look fucking amazing.
Speaker 1:Look, you can put me in the dark and I still look amazing.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you put you in the dark you can't even see you, but anyways.
Speaker 1:You'll see me, trust me. The question is did you plan it? I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Did you plan it and said I'm not wearing white today.
Speaker 1:And the thing is, you kind of changed my outfit.
Speaker 2:I changed your outfit.
Speaker 1:Yes, because I got the gift, I got a hat. Okay, yes, shout out to Fuego.
Speaker 3:Welcome to Fuego, fam. Can I take off the sticker? Take off the sticker.
Speaker 2:No, that's new era bro.
Speaker 3:You don't remove new era stickers. You guys are getting me as if I did say something bad, like taboo shit. Really, I didn't rip this shit off, that's authenticity how do you say it Authenticity? Yes, that's like a badge. My English pronunciation is horrible. Guys put it this way Shout out New Era, shout out Georgie. I can't do it. Yeah, what the fuck we got the Fuego hat. Oh, look at the focus, c'est soit Boom.
Speaker 1:Not available in Curacao? Not sorry, they should have bought it earlier. The fuck Y'all slept on it, but threw me with a punch. Huh, yes.
Speaker 3:Shark Star really looks good. I know he has all the natural lighting behind me. Goes towards shark. That's why I'm out here looking like slightly orange, not so pretty as shark. Oompa, loompa, but it's whatever, jeff also looks fucking great. Got natural lighting.
Speaker 1:You better twag.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm always over here taking the sacrifices. You know I'm always taking one for the team. It's all good.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3:Anyways, today we have a guest, a friend of mine, mr Jeff. I'm going to need to be able to fucking thumb, try it, try it. Macaroni, like a macaroni.
Speaker 2:Say it again Macaroni. Macaroni.
Speaker 3:Macaroni, macaroni, macaroni, the only family.
Speaker 2:Yeah, suriname, holanda. Okay yeah, Macaroni, but the fun fact is that my brother and I are the last males that are able to get children to continue our and hopefully y'all get boys yes, we have to get boys exactly, if not because my uncle's already like probably not fertile anymore. But yeah, so it's gonna be a job to do no pressure, no pressure, you want pressure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he better I actually want like, like if you had to put like a prefer, okay.
Speaker 2:No, if you had to get like a a is preparation, even a word like a preference preference, yes, see between preference. Well, I'm talking like five languages right now. It's okay, a big flex, real quick.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that.
Speaker 2:No, like if I had a preference, I would say I want daughters, but of course, now, with that in mind, I really want to have sons, daughters. Yeah, how interesting. See, I'm more of a daughter type of guy.
Speaker 1:I can.
Speaker 2:Type of guy I can see that I don't know why, like I, I generally don't know why.
Speaker 1:But you give girl dad for sure like why, why do? You say that boy all, yes, I would your little girls like they would get away with, like murder with you I can definitely see that maybe. No, I can see that you give that vibe.
Speaker 2:No, no, for sure for sure, I generally don't know why, but, um, it's definitely something I feel like, for example, when my, my cousins got a daughter. Every time I go to a baby reveal it's always female, but I don't really have a reason why I have. Maybe I have to go more inner, inner self you probably should figure out what is the link to that? But uh, so that's about the macaroni guys, let's go okay sorry, I have to grab some water now.
Speaker 3:So, like you know people, I'm trying to figure out where to start this conversation. Obviously we want to talk about gaming because that's I think a lot of people know you because of fuego um and that's something you're very passionate about. Pero, what was your childhood like? Like, how did you start? Like did you? But you want to go in this industry. You're in today, or did?
Speaker 1:you? What did your parents think about it? Huh, I don't think he knew it was an industry before.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no all right, this is a no filter podcast, so I'm gonna like be no filter.
Speaker 3:That's the whole reason we're here like all right, we right sitting, all comfortable and shit you guys are ready for this story yeah, let's go. No, okay, so wait, yeah, tell me okay, now I'm ready to go, okay, oh the fuck leave that out.
Speaker 2:Sad there's. Um. When I was younger, I mean, I started playing video games. Obviously, since I was, um, a very young man like we're talking eight, nine, ten, you know how it goes with the playstation, the nintendo's, the gamecube and all those things, atari even I had my moments of that, um, but I never knew it would become something like a career of mine. I just kept playing a lot and, of course, when the things kept updating and new consoles coming out, and then eventually I went to like the computer gaming part, played games like RuneScape, hubba, hotel, those browser games, all those things. And then one time my cousin told me about this game called League of Legends, which is the game that actually made my career happen, which I'll explain in a little bit. Played that game for like five years, became really good at it, of course online. You know, if you play Call of Duty, you know that you have a ranking system right when you can play. You don't know anything about games, boy, this guy knows nothing about games.
Speaker 3:I watch. Housewives and that good shit. He doesn't know anything about games. That's crazy Okay.
Speaker 2:No, I'll try to explain it a bit more.
Speaker 1:newbie no, it's okay, I'm following. Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:So you have a ranking system and then you can just become top whatever of like a specific server, right? Anyways, I became really good Of the world.
Speaker 2:No, of a specific region. So in esports you have Latin America as a region and then you have, for example, or let's say, america as a region. You have the North American server, latin America, north and South, and you have brazil. That's how it's separated. Why? Because of the latency. So if the server is extremely far, your internet, the packets, don't send fast enough, which means your ping will be higher, etc. So, for example, if you're playing a specific game and you click I don't know move forward in the game, it will take 1.5 seconds to move forward if you're playinga brazilian server right yeah and if you're playing in a server that's very close to you, that's instant okay.
Speaker 2:So that's like kind of the technicality of it okay, okay I used to play first in north america, which the server in that time was in chicago, if I'm not mistaken, so it was relatively far, but I was pretty good at it. And then when they opened the latin american server, which they put the server in miami, which is closer, I had like what? 60 pings. So I became really good. Anyways, when I was like 17 years old, I became top 10 in latin america of like, see of like league of legends.
Speaker 2:Yes, I became top 10, um, and that's when I started like playing a bit more competitively, like I started realizing that there's competitions, I started realizing that there's actual career opportunities. Of course, the industry was not the way it was today, especially not in latin america, um, but it was a little bit difficult with my parents because, of course, I don't judge right see, I don't judge, because of course they don't understand.
Speaker 2:They're more traditional. They have it's new, extremely new, and I think I would be maybe a bit more open-minded because of my situation and just how the world is like developing. So fast.
Speaker 2:But they just did not believe in it, especially my dad. My dad was very tough on me Grab my router. You have to do really good at school. You have to make sure that you get the results, because that's what he was used to, right in his, in his family and stuff like that, and it was like sidebar. How was your school work? No, I was always. I didn't give a crap about school man, genuinely I didn't. I I felt no passion for it. It's books so old as well, I'm sorry, like on this island it's. I don't know how it is right now. Hopefully it got a bit better. But, for example, I went to study at fambo, which is school. I went to it because I like playing games right on the computer books from like home.
Speaker 2:We're on windows, maybe seven at those. At those years they have windows, windows XP as books and you're learning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, about like five updates ago. It's outdated bro who knows what I'm doing.
Speaker 1:What's that? Okay, sorry, back to the no.
Speaker 2:No no, but I was just Just run run, I'll take it Zess zess zess, zess, zess zess.
Speaker 3:Just get through it, just get through it, just to get through it.
Speaker 2:See If ASB, we're not even going to talk about it. I mean, my dad, he's a PBL, so I'm not going to talk about PBL. You can imagine, man, I mean it's not, it's not, it's not no offense to everyone, anyone that that got that deep in it.
Speaker 3:Stupid, stupid you know what I mean. Like yeah, better for me, I just regardless that's where I went.
Speaker 1:I went to that. See, by the same time, dude like now in Aruba.
Speaker 3:We need people that go to Aruba like to the out there like the handy work people.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, we need practice, but way more but the way the world is going with AI right now and automating, they're not gonna need nobody.
Speaker 3:I mean they still need Someone to fucking and AI is hey, we'll fix it. Lucepami.
Speaker 1:Until AI can do it itself.
Speaker 3:Hire electrician, like You're gonna have to hire.
Speaker 1:Someone anyway, until AI can do it itself.
Speaker 3:We'll wait until Elon Musk gets there.
Speaker 2:Si, si, si, we'll wait until elon musk gets there.
Speaker 1:It's gonna come, but but see what were we saying, okay, we're talking about how your dad was like go to school, do all this good stuff so in the top of the fast linge um, pero lo que pasa?
Speaker 2:I got so good at it and then, a few years later, man, I, I struggled a lot, command the. My parents didn't want to buy me a gaming computer. Um, because of course, the better your computer, the better your fps, the better you you can perform right um, the gamers would know, technicalities are very important. You need your 144 hertz screen minimum. You need to have your I don't know your 3080 ti's. Your graphics card has to be good a good cpu you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So that you can perform better. So it becomes your play stop comes faster, it's not laggy. You know what I mean. So that you can perform better, so it becomes your play stuff comes, faster it's not laggy. You know what I mean. You know like when you're on an old phone and it's like what are we? Doing.
Speaker 1:I've heard this about especially people that say, like people that play on the computer versus people that play with consoles.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:They say like one of them is like way quicker playstation. You know how to play it it's. It's crazy how you will. I would spend people like I will spend five thousand dollars more just to get like an extra 1.5 second better reaction. Yeah, that's like the difference. Like I don't know how big a difference is in terms of speed, but like constantly in computer it's a one second delay, I think.
Speaker 2:See, but it's crazy like you spend a thousand dollars just to make up that one second delay.
Speaker 3:I think see, you see, but it's crazy like you have to spend thousands of dollars just to make up that one second, which is if you're competitive player.
Speaker 1:I understand yeah, because you have to be able to just see and shoot or see and do like yeah like quick.
Speaker 2:See, I think it's a bit more, I don't know if it's one a bit less. Anyway, I the difference is there, right, yeah, but uh see, well, see this, the whole computer. They never bought me a computer, right? So I was playing on my laptop that my dad had to buy for me because I was studying IT. That was my strategy.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm gonna go to FAMBO because I know I need a laptop, so my dad's gonna buy one and I used to play on that. It was a toaster, so I would always overheat, turn off anyways. A lot fight with my brother once, anyway, so whole shit. He's watching. You're like fuck you right now? No, because my brother and I, but you both used to play. My brother actually got really good at it, like at league of legends, but he never was able to go pro right yeah, um, but anyway.
Speaker 2:So what happened? Long story short, because it's gonna be a long conversation um cut me whenever you guys want yeah but long story short, I became top 10.
Speaker 2:Right. A company from from mexico contacted me, an organization, an esports organization. They contacted me and they told me hey, we see your top 10. Um, do you speak spanish? I told them no. He said no worry, let's do a tryout for our team. We're gonna play to qualify to liga latino america. I was like, holy shit, what is that? But I'm always like, okay, I've saw some things online of people competing on stage and and those type of things sorry, I have a question how did you know that's a like legit email, like?
Speaker 1:how do you know like? They were like, okay, this is really esports people.
Speaker 2:They added me on the game. So on the, the client texted me and then they sent me like a gamepedia link, which is like one of the wikipedia's for gaming ah, okay, and then there I confirmed all their data, who they are, what they do continue some f-ing shit like come over here and play games like
Speaker 2:who are these old people? I heard mexico is like no, but um, they contacted me and I was like, okay, shit, let me ask. I was going to fam by the time my second year, um, that, nobody over. And so I sat with my parents like I did the tryouts first and all those things, and I liked the team and they told me hey, this is how much you could earn if we like become, if you become a professional with us, if you qualify, this is what would happen. We would fly to mexico play on stage for a specific game, right that there's a bunch of fans, you can be building your brand and all those things. So I did some more research on myself. Then I went to speak to my parents about it and, yeah, first they were very skeptical, wanted more information.
Speaker 3:And when they saw the contract that they were going to pay me X money, yeah, they were like okay, let me, let me, let me see the first paycheck come in and then we can you know we can really have all that paycheck.
Speaker 2:If you can talk about it, then it was miltrishing dollar when it was damn see that was play video games for a household. But this was just to play, to qualify. You don't even want to talk about what it will get there how much you can really earn in this industry. So when the first payment came in, my dad saw it. My mom saw it, and then my dad just told me listen, you know who I am. I see how passionate you are. My mom always supported me, though like low-key.
Speaker 1:Of course the father is like you know the… she got to just like establish her dad. Mom always supported me, though like low-key. Of course the father is like, yeah, she gotta just like, okay, that was your dad.
Speaker 2:This my dad was like look, I see you're super passionate. I believe that hopefully you can make something out of it, but you have I think it was one year he told me. You have one year to make this a reality, otherwise you have to go back to school, come work with me or whatever, to make something out of your life. Thank you, dad. Say shout out, um, so I took that next day my home, drop out this, call me not be a call nada I just never came anymore where's jeff, my friend, my friend leroy, knew and he told some of the teachers like no, I got into being school maths, this guy, just like I disappear.
Speaker 2:Peace out so one year after um, no, not one year within six months, my team and I managed to qualify to the Liga Latino America, which was a breakthrough moment for me. I cried that day a lot and my brother was there. We were like I was sitting behind. No wait, I can't. Even I have to mention this is a shout out Brian kolker, a friend of mine. Um, he bought me a computer. He told me just me the key to them both. Now that you have the opportunity to make it happen, I'm gonna give you two thousand dollars. I think it was. Buy a computer and make it happen. There's's a guy who gave me $2,000 to support us. Sure, he needs his water. See, he told me $2,000. You got your water, yeah.
Speaker 3:I got my water Coco, sorry, continue.
Speaker 2:This is not a free brand promotion.
Speaker 3:Yeah, come on, they sponsor us. Oh, really, yeah, the Sunny sponsor sponsor us the sunny as in like aruba, aruba water okay aruba but like it's, it's the exact same brand and everything. So the sunny, but like all the fucking thing in the caribbean, I guess. But uh, they sponsor the label.
Speaker 1:Fall, fell off, okay it's not, I was hiding it down here, but, let it show bro.
Speaker 3:Come on you, gucci this water slaps, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the only water I buy per whenever I'm in the store, so get you the Sunny Boys you can leave them on the table if you want.
Speaker 3:It won't pop. They won't really see it. Boom. Look at that yeah, boom, anyways.
Speaker 2:$2,000.
Speaker 3:Brian Colker bar me $2,000 to pay me with water to put it's a good thing you mentioned, because now he's gonna text.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm going to be fucking a bastard, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to be next six months.
Speaker 3:Oh the difference was amazing. I became way better in such little time.
Speaker 2:Long story short. We were in the qualifiers, played the qualifiers was more like online. And then, um, that night it's in 2015, I think it was november um, because that's when the, the relegation to promotional series was, and, and I won. That was my breakthrough moment, because I knew, holy shit, everything's going to change. Now I'm going to go professional, I'm going to fly to Mexico, I'm going to live this life. So it was like a moment for me of like I made it in six months.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. But also, did you also feel like nerves, like of that same change?
Speaker 2:like that. It's a great change, but it's also going to change every other thing. So a thing I've realized about myself is I love uncomfort. Okay, yeah, I really love it. It's it. I love my anxiety. I suffer from anxiety. I love it.
Speaker 3:It sounds stupid right it sounds stupid, I get it, but I'm, I'm, I'm not a you feel like you.
Speaker 2:You perform better under stress when you're dead yeah, so I might have a underlying thing with adhd or whatever I might have to check it out, but because I love working under pressure. Every, every socio I have investor partner. They know that that's me. I love working under pressure, um, but I love working under. I love being in a comfort zone. I hate the comfort zone.
Speaker 3:Comfort zone makes me depressed I can see that makes me motivated you know.
Speaker 2:So I always try to find myself in situations where I feel uncomfortable, and that was one of the biggest ones. So, literally imagine, my mom was still skeptical. She saw the money but she's like there's no way. I'm sending you to mexico because you know yeah, like what the hell.
Speaker 3:So wait though, so those six months you were playing at your house to qualify yeah, okay okay, so you weren't like in a household with like six other people, it wasn't like that for the people I understand video gaming.
Speaker 2:Play the game league of legends. The same way you have fifa rocket league. I mean mortal kombat all those you can play competitively. Yeah right, just so you can understand.
Speaker 3:Fortnight you can play because battlefield exactly.
Speaker 2:As soon as you have a way to become better than another person, you can create competition yeah right, there's um. I played league of legends, qualified. My mom was like, yeah, I don't think he's skeptical about going, like me going to mexico on my own. So we bought her ticket, but she also went with me and flew to mexico. That's when the team was already there. Riot games, the game publisher, the one that owns the league, also it's one of the biggest ones out there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like in the world esports ecosystem.
Speaker 2:they own now three competitive games League of Legends, valorant and Team Fight Tactics. I don't really watch it. It's a mobile game but it's huge. We're talking million dollars in prize pool players that earn contracts of two, three million dollars a year.
Speaker 3:In Korea. You have have it's insane. Like in korea, like he was about to say, like the gamers, they're like, if you're really really, really, really good, you're like the rihanna, you're like a beyonce walking oh my god, like. Please, let me take a picture of you that's our culture.
Speaker 2:Faker is one of those guys. So faker is. He still is the best. He's a south korean player. Still is the best league of legends player in the world for now six, seven consecutive years. He has around seven world titles. Home this guy has his own statue in korea. Like that.
Speaker 2:He's the, the guy see, he has his own hotel called the faker tower. He it's like an anime fucking series like you guys did people. He owns part of the company. He plays for skt1, which has home. There's one skt1, it's a team name, skt1. They call them T1. Imagine these guys like for me when I went to Mexico back to get that conversation. I arrived there, riot Games picked me up. I escalated. I was like my mom is behind me.
Speaker 1:My mom is important my mom will help you.
Speaker 2:She's the prize and that's how my mom also got impressed with me. Hey, this is some serious shit, you know, um, there's no sabay hotel. And then the next day we had media day already. Um, I went to the gaming house. We went to toluca, so it's like a little bit outside of mexico city, very beautiful, it's, like, you know, a bit more poopy, like the. The higher class people live there. Um, we lived in a beautiful gaming house. We had chefs, managers crazy. We had our gaming pc area. Everyone had their own room. We had um zero expenses while we're earning money. Um, so that's when my salary went up to 3.5k a month. Damn. So I was earning netto 7000 gulden on gavir, paluna, paluna and all expenses paid.
Speaker 2:I had zero cost bro what was I doing?
Speaker 3:going around singing frogs, god damn it I always say like bro, I wish I never stopped playing video.
Speaker 2:I wish I didn't listen to my dad like it's a really big opportunity for people that that feel like they really have the level yeah definitely explore it.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying 100% just it's always like that middle ground you just never know you never know and don't gamble like you don't know if you don't give it a shot, if you didn't give it. Like if your dad didn't say't give it a shot, if you didn't give it. Like if your dad didn't say hey, give it one year. Dude, you have never been here today.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no Honestly like you could say like but it was also.
Speaker 1:Hey Mati, I would be miserable it was also the hunger and your consistency in playing the game, because, at the end of the day, that's what it's all about. It's like who wants it the most, and you definitely wanted it, so you put in the work and your dad even though they probably didn't want to see it, they saw that enough to be like, hey, you know what? Listen, we'll give you this one year.
Speaker 2:yeah, that's it exactly, and I'm very appreciative about that. One year I you know he's finally. I mean damn when you're so used to traditional things it's very difficult to be open. I understand You're completely blocked out this grateful guy. I got that year and I showed it and my dad is my biggest supporter now.
Speaker 3:My dad understands the game now he texts me congratulations when Fuego wins.
Speaker 2:When I used to play, play would always look and text like in the group chat hey, how's it going? My brother would tell him this is the my dad's like been biggest supporter of walkie I love it.
Speaker 3:Let's go back to the mexico story like 7 000 florins a month 7k a month.
Speaker 2:We used to play in a studio of ride games in mexico. We had fans online. I started getting. I had this other instagram we're home. They undim iting just 2000 follower being home. See gimme.
Speaker 2:I don't have that account anymore because I went a bit more low-key yeah after my professional life of playing but I played for two, one and a half year in mexico came back to curacao, I got sick, um, and then I just I didn't feel like doing those because, look, it's your daily schedule is wake up, do your thing in the morning and then you're playing eight hours.
Speaker 3:Like a real job. Yeah, it's like a real job.
Speaker 2:So you're playing eight hours a day. Cheers must smell like ass. Trust me. The gaming house stories get really ick.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can imagine.
Speaker 3:You never leave your room no, you.
Speaker 2:You play together in the living room becomes the gaming the gaming, yeah, yeah, but gamers. I'm not trying to generalize, but a lot of gamers are a bit sloppy, not social, yeah there are a lot that are, but there is a percentage that are like the ones they always say the one that eat Doritos in the basement.
Speaker 3:You get those. I had one of those in my team.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to mention the name, but this guy, you don't have to, that's not nice. So, bro, bye-bye. It was really annoying, and now they put that shit in because good you have to shower three times a day as the region develops, everything becomes more serious and more professional.
Speaker 2:You have to gym, you have to eat healthier for your mental and all those things. But all said so, I played two years. One and a half year came back. I tried to go again after I became a bit better, because I was um pretty sick. And so this is my team. Genuinely, this was not something I was planning really Because I had no business knowledge, right, I was just a gamer that studied a bit of IT. So I started a brand Shout out to Vicente, greg, gerson Gomez, jason Poster which is P2. I'm sure you guys know P2, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah In Holland.
Speaker 3:Yeah. P2 launched with us the comedy skit guy, the TikToker. You know who. He is right, mama, ¿qué pasa monto Like always wear like his mom and he's. I don't know, maybe if I see him, if you see, him.
Speaker 2:You, pitu Vicente, Gerson Yarsinho and me we launched Fuego together. This guy, let's see. I'm actually curious if you know him if you haven't.
Speaker 3:I'll be very surprised if you haven't seen his shit and he hasn't look at it what. He's got some funny videos like yeah, I don't know, there's some bangers.
Speaker 1:Maybe I did see one, I don't know a lot of things he makes.
Speaker 3:It's relatable to people from aruba garcao. Yeah, I don't know. You guys should definitely podcast no, no 100. We actually I'm pretty sure I dm'd him I'll send you his number after, please.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we launched fuego. This was before all, because all of them went their separate ways. This was in 2018. We launched fuego. I met. I met someone called oz eleonora via a friend called oneisi rossini, because oz is an entrepreneur right, he's an entrepreneur, yucorso lives in los angeles, very successful. He went to una to give a speech and then at the end of the speech, he told um the class like, if you guys have a cool idea, please a speech. And then at the end of the speech, he told um the class like if you guys have a cool idea, please contact me. And then, onace, he was going to una and he said hey, jeff, contact the guy. And I was very insistent with him. I emailed him, I went on his facebook, I dm'd him, I put down a link to con, because I never had one, dexed him and he saw like annoying I was. He saw the eager I had to make something out of my team. So he finally responded to me. Like two weeks later, I still have the Facebook chat. It's pretty funny.
Speaker 3:I can show you guys, I thought it was like two, three months, like no, I was hammering this guy every fucking day.
Speaker 2:I was annoying him and then he said no, there's a guy who really excited me. I don't know if he said something till now. He's now the head of the the board, the board of advisors. He's an active investor in fuego and he's my mentor that I speak to on a day-to-day. He helped me really develop all business skills. I have really understand that entrepreneurship is one with your personal life. You know if your personal life is going to shit your business going to shit your business go to shit.
Speaker 2:It's gonna affect your personal life. You're one right, yeah, which is a daily struggle for entrepreneurs. I'm sure you guys can relate. It's not all rainbows no and that's why I think it's cool. You guys are vlogging as well. Now you guys can show a bit of the what really happens, yeah, like say right now that Digicel the hotel.
Speaker 3:I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Apparently, there's no Wi-Fi on the island right now for Digicel.
Speaker 2:Apparently, there's no Wi-Fi on the island.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. So it's a struggle that you guys are having now. If you want, you can cut this off completely. No, bro, we leave it with us.
Speaker 2:since day one, I'm the internet fijo fijo not that, so quick save we got nothing anyways, anyway, see there's what were we talking about we were talking about vlogging, like entrepreneurship and like man I. It's very overwhelming the support I received when we launched Fuego because of something innovative on the island. All the gamers like holy shit. Finally there's like a platform that we can relate to and do something on um. So can I ask?
Speaker 1:yeah, like, okay, what is fuego, like? What is it about?
Speaker 2:fuego is an esports organization, um. We are a professional video gaming team, right. So we compete in various gaming leagues around latin america. We compete in league of legends, free fire, which is a mobile game, we play valorant and we're also now entering pub g player unknowns battleground, um, which are one of the you could say, the top games in the world where we compete in actual leagues. The same way you have traditional sports, so you have, let's say, the mlb, fifa, you have nba. Same way of traditional sports is also for video games, just with the video games, you know what I mean. So you have actual brackets, you have group stages, playoffs, finals, semi-finals, etc. Finals are usually in person. So you're actually in a stage, I mean around the world, in europa, north america, korea.
Speaker 3:You have home mercedes-benz arena, completely sold out like 60 000 people in a room watching a big screen and the team playing in the middle of the fucking thing, huge prize pools.
Speaker 2:We're talking. Fortnight had 60 million dollars in prize. A kid of 16 years old won. Buga won $4 million. He won cash.
Speaker 3:You know Fortnite? Yeah, imagine like you're a 17-year-old kid winning $4 million. He couldn't collect the money because he's not 18. So his parents? Had to come yeah, but $4 million playing video games. I was born in the wrong fucking time, dude. Mom and dad should have waited I paid off his mom's house.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bought a dream car at 16, didn't? But then he just got a driver's license. You know, it's a life-changing moment for all these gamers see. So we compete in those leagues. We have players, we've had players from curacao. We've we work with players from colombia because we expanded to colombia which is my next question for you.
Speaker 1:Like how many people are currently part of the Fuego team?
Speaker 2:If you take players into account, I would say around 30. Oh shit, what I was thinking like? Less than 10. No, no, no Staff. We were probably at 10 already. So, employees, because we have some mouthful of things. We have an agency too now. So a marketing agency, because esports is a cash draining business. Pay players a lot of money. Um, we paid add, which is a south korean player, for five months. We played him thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 2:That's just a small example just to play, see. So that would be how much a month, like 7k, right something? Like that see, I can't do math right now. I hope it's 7k, otherwise I look stupid. But I think 7 times 5 is 35.
Speaker 3:I guess. So that's a lot. No, not 7k. No, let's go quick bets.
Speaker 2:See, so we were paying him 7k dollars a month and that's for him cheap. Because he was teamless. He went to the military and then he had no team and it was like hey, shit, I really want to go, because ADD is a world qualifiers player. He's been to world championships before, so this guy usually charges way more, but we had the opportunity to play with him and we won everything. Not saying it was just him, we had all these players.
Speaker 3:Baula zelt he was, he was those are game names, by the way, he was. He was a good add to the team. Like to balance the rest of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah. So we have an agency where we offer marketing 360 solutions for brands that want to connect with gamers. We do some traditional work as well, so I mean, like video commercials on curacao, help with marketing campaigns. I mean we help dg cell, for example, with two christmas campaigns, one carnival campaign, work with p2 as well, a lot with the carnival maybe this year as well. So we do a lot of different things. I don't limit myself, um and fuego, to those type of opportunities, but we're 10 people now within the team we're hiring currently as well, looking for account directors to manage our clients.
Speaker 2:People think gaming is a joke sometimes. Sorry, it randomly popped in my head. No, I know it's actually. At one moment we'll even become a corporate company. I think at one moment, like, actually like really big with there's so much to do on a daily basis until, but the focus will always be esports. So really have fuego on the front line competing in these leagues internationally. Um and next, this year, next year, we are bringing something very interesting to the island back, because in 2018 we opened fuego, but 2022 we left.
Speaker 2:Not left, but we expanded to colombia, which our focus, of course, went there because we were looking for a market that was a bit more bigger see, because in the caribbean curacao, you're not really going to grow as a company, because and the main income of esports team is brand deals like 60% yeah, exactly that's very complicated, but one player gets it and you're out of business and if you get it, it's what a lot of reach for that money to come out of the budgets in this island, you know, not taking into account that a lot of curacao companies are the reason why Fuego was able to grow.
Speaker 3:Of course, but they understand Like, hey, no, está quiet, like cómo te va a llevar?
Speaker 2:Sí, claro, claro. I mean, if you have to look at at the beginning, esperamos Supermarket Ricardo Firas de Volkswagen MCB, you don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't even want to didn't want to start calling brands because I'm gonna forget the amount of brands that has helped us actual, profound anyways still keeps going. I see a lot of companies helped us get like be that stepping stone for us and I'm forever grateful. I remember when we won our first championships I made like a nice certificate and I gave all the sponsors the corso cool, hey, like thanks. This is the reason we grew. So we went to colombia, expanded there. Now we're based in colombia. We have a gaming house in bogota. Um, we have our teams living there. We have content creators. Our brand is growing. Um, we have a lot of colombian clients. So we have kfc, like the actual corporate kfc I saw that jbl, which is audio right um.
Speaker 2:We have a gaming lineup.
Speaker 3:Isn't caricia's company like elite, mostly jbl stuff. Yeah, I think we have a gaming lineup, isn't Carisha's company? Like Elite and mostly JBL stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think they also have a deal with JBL.
Speaker 2:So we are their gaming partner in hopefully this year full Latin America. So we are their consultants and marketing for gaming without Brazil.
Speaker 3:See, that's our negotiation.
Speaker 2:That's their own server down there, See so more like Mexico, colombiaia, the two biggest markets for them um. And then we have, like panama, costa rica, guatemala, ecuador. We are helping them in those countries as well um executing their, their gaming strategies right um.
Speaker 1:So I have a question yeah, so what does it take? What does it take for someone to become a fuegista? A fuegista.
Speaker 3:Yeah, is that a real name? No, it's not.
Speaker 2:Actually just start saying fueguito.
Speaker 1:Or a fueguito. Yeah, To one of my players. Okay, how does one become a fueguito?
Speaker 2:Look, this is also important. Credentials or like If you want to become a player. We made three pillars in the beginning of fuego that I still use. I actually made this together with with vicente. It's passion, attitude and skill. Those are like the three most important things. If you lack one, you're not a fueguito you can't be a fueguito that's for the gamers right, because without passion you don't have any motivation to become the best version of yourself. Without the skill, you're just not going to compete.
Speaker 1:Your passion can be the money that you hear about. Exactly which?
Speaker 2:you have a lot of people that are like that. But if you don't have the skill, you're not even coming in conversation with us because you need the skill to be considered. So you have to get a certain level so we can at least start conversation.
Speaker 1:And attitude is the most important thing and what's that level look like? Just in case, like there's a little um, so it depends on the game.
Speaker 3:I'm like really I am sometimes impressed where shark just brings this fucking word for you to work for whatever mini fuego out there. Like no, it's amazing, like you're fucking creative, because sometimes he just surprises me random episodes, like he'll say some shit, I'm what the fuck did you just?
Speaker 2:say Look bro. I like the fact that he said Fueguita, you said in the beginning.
Speaker 1:I can't even remember what he said.
Speaker 3:Fueguita is a thing Maybe we're a girl gamer, Fueguita and Fueguita. Fueguita and Fueguita Maybe they'll actually become one of our next. I like Fueguito a little flame, a little si pero.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're always reading our DMs. We're one of those teams that are always revising our social media. So if you play something, especially if you're from Curacao or Aruba or Bonera, abc Islands, we really want to hear you guys like, we want to see you guys have the level to. Because of the level to, because me, kim mira, not mass antiano on the international stage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can't be the only one that has are you the only one that in abc islands who have gotten that far? Like are you? Are you like? Are you like the giant of gamers? Like you're the only? You got fucking far.
Speaker 2:Like you in the game industry got very far see, I would say you had some guys that that played tier two, so you have pacer from aruba.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that played in like the he's the one that, george, you mentioned in the ydk episode so he was.
Speaker 2:He was able to play in like tier two really well, but tier one, I'm still the only one tier one means like the highest league. It's like when you have premier like mlb top tier. Yeah, we get it exactly, you have minor and you have major, yeah. Yeah, there's some still and I want, I want someone to be the new guy, so we help various people already, but I'm gonna give you guys the announcement on your podcast let's go an announcement that I haven't said to anyone yet, but I hope it becomes a reality.
Speaker 1:It's almost signed and sealed, it's going to become a reality. All right, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:This year we're launching an esports league on the island of Curacao Stop yeah and it's going to be focused on FIFA and everyone on gurusau can compete big price pools I can't say how much yet or what the price will be, because you're gonna fly out with fuego. That's all I'll say. We're gonna fly out with us yeah, as fuego outside of the country to experience something, if you're the winner of the fifa um, I mean, if it's what?
Speaker 3:if someone from aruba wants to compete, can they fly over and compete?
Speaker 2:They could. Technically it's not a national thing. You just have to be physically here Because Sam actually knows about this.
Speaker 3:We've been talking about this and Aruba and stuff like that, yeah shit, I was going to pretend like I didn't know shit. But no, you and I we've been talking about this for a few months already already, like trying to figure out how we can make this work. I know we want you. The plan was to start with Korea 7 and then we expand over to Aruba. First try it here and then we replicate and I know it's going to happen.
Speaker 2:We've been talking about it for a month, so I know it's going to happen. We wanted to start right away with the ABC Islands, but of course it takes a lot of resources. But if we have like one successful plan, the brands will also start. I mean the fact that specific brands can't mention them yet are already believing in it and people, there's some, there's some big brands.
Speaker 3:When he tells me, I was like you're supposed to start?
Speaker 2:I think start in one master this one, this Curacao, one, curacao it works, and then you branch over and branch over.
Speaker 3:Then you just take over the world but now I want to know is more, because I do know about it, but I know he knows a lot more detailed stuff. So like, if we did, let's say, this tournament happens. Is it a? Is it a weekend tournament, a whole week, or is it? What is it? Do you have an idea?
Speaker 2:The reason why I ask this is because maybe some Arubianos are like the thing is it's going to be a six-month-long tournament, which means every weekend we're going to have groups. We're going to separate all the players in groups.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The tournament consists out of three phases, which basically have to qualify to the main phase, where you only have 40 people from whole career cell Okay and those 40 people will have the opportunity to go against each other to win that big prize pool and that like fly out thing I was.
Speaker 3:I was mentioning.
Speaker 2:Can you mention like a number for the price pool or not yet it's gonna be more than 10 000, as like one per the pool or the pool price pool will be more than 10k. Okay, which is the biggest price pool? In terms of in terms of um gaming, it's for sure. I mean there has been a lot of tournaments, but not I only know.
Speaker 3:I only know one big one that has a madero and that was a gaming chair, which is cool it was an awesome event.
Speaker 2:It was actually an eye opener to see that people actually want they're interested in all that, yeah, he showed me a video.
Speaker 3:I was when he was telling me about this, he showed me a video. I was like okay, cool, like yeah, but he showed me a video. I was like festival like there's fucking people, djs and shit like a whole, like uh narrators talking about the game. I mean, look at that shot. I don't, they don't, they fucking shot.
Speaker 2:It was honestly I was kind of, I was really impressed, um it was made with I and the helpers event management company here and and vladimir um. Like I, I helped them, of course, with various things, but I was not really extremely involved in that. Yeah, it's like a vis advisor I guess ccc, but it was a really big, big eye opener, and so a lot of brands came in together, helped and they managed to do something extremely great. And now I want to take you to the next stage yeah yeah, because if you do something just one month, it's boring.
Speaker 2:Imagine six months of storytelling. Yeah, actually creating profiles of these 40 players, putting their stats, making them feel like celebrities, letting them play on actual esports ready giving them a taste of what you got exactly, and that will grow interest, grow scale right for maybe future fueguitos you know it does and you know I did this interview with this girl.
Speaker 1:Her name is esther emerencia and she always she said that. So if you don't see your own people doing something as great, you just don't see that potential like this could never happen for me. But now here comes Mr Jeff Fuego doing the damn thing. So now it's like damn, if Mr Jeff can do it from Curacao, what's up with the other little Curacao babies up in here?
Speaker 3:that wants to play the game and to do this, a lot more competitive kids playing compared to when you were younger, for sure like when you were young, you were this, you and you know a handful of people that like really took it seriously. But now, like my fucking nephews want to play like Fortnite, they want to compete like bro. I want to compete, bro. They're competitive with me now, but they always lose. In Mario Kart at my party.
Speaker 2:I don't know Sam gets a pleasure from that. Yeah, beating 80-year-old kids.
Speaker 1:He's like the only time I can win in life.
Speaker 3:Let me do this. You want to be good? Then beat me. My niece almost beat me one time at Mario Party. She so close, yeah, he's like I got it. And then at the last part of the game I got a bonus. What the fuck. Anyways, it sucks, man, I know, but like how, how was? How was for you, um, trying to grow fuego in carso like it went very fast. We're talking.
Speaker 2:Fuego. Within a year we really became an established brand. Of course, fortnite was big then, so we focused on doing Fortnite tournaments. A lot of people started doing content creation, like YouTube vlogs, like challenges. We started getting a lot of brand deals. So it's like collaborations, a lot of collaboration on the island. That also gave us like the exposure we were looking for. So it came to a point where everyone was part of fuego. Like we were doing even um challenges to join, for like, for example, if the ones that know face clan they do like this yearly um, what do you call it? Like recruitment challenges. And then you have to. We had 120 applications on curacao from people that wanted to join fuego. Damn, there were different phases. It was called the fuego recruitment challenge and you had to like, do a video introducing yourself, show your clips, how good you are like, and then we had interviews with them. It was a whole thing and I loved it.
Speaker 2:It really made me feel failed see that I was giving back to the community that Fuego was a platform people wanted to join, and Vicente Jason Zayarzinho Gerson all of them were like part of the process and they were being looked up to. I mean, we went to Los Angeles with Vicente Cujasen Pitu to compete in DreamHack, which is a Fortnite tournament Wait. Pitu also plays, plays, yeah, yeah, he was one of the best Fortnite players in the Caribbean, for sure.
Speaker 3:I just see him as a comedian skit guy.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, he used to play really good, and then he quit gaming and then went full into content creation. Which I'm really happy for him. It's going really well, pero Sab, that's the goal. Guys Launching that league go really well. One year on Curacao expand to the ABC Islands. Build more talent, given opportunities.
Speaker 3:To build a new. You Sí.
Speaker 2:And esports is not only. I think you asked something about this opportunities and the question you mentioned was what type of job or I think it was you what type of job? How can I join? It's not only gaming, eh. I mean, we have designers, developers, video editors, we have account managers, sales finance analysts, accountants there's so many and you're still being part of gaming. You're still part of it. The creative team. We have tournament producers, broadcasters All of those things are part of the gaming ecosystem and you can earn good money by doing it. Was I amen. It's not only okay. Do you want to be a player? If you're passionate about gaming, but you're not good enough, you can still find a job in the industry.
Speaker 1:So I have a question for you Now, going into this whole gaming life and all this good stuff, I feel like we kind of talked about a lot of your successes but like what were some of like the down parts in this, like industry for you, like your biggest struggles, you would say?
Speaker 2:personally or business.
Speaker 1:So give me one of each okay, I'll go with business first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they do relate with each other, yeah, that's how they go like I mentioned you're one right.
Speaker 2:So because the company is so heavy on expenses, you get a moment sometimes where you have to make certain sacrifices to be able to keep the company afloat. I never think Fuego will even become yeah, never say never, right. But it's not a hype, because the profit is not like hey, let's make a I don't know $50,000, $100,000 profit this year and put it in our pockets. No, it's the people that invest in Tufuego want to see the brand grocery keep reinvesting. But the most difficult part is always managing that, doing the sacrifice to be able to get there. I've sacrificed time with family. I've sacrificed time with friends. I've lost friends in the process, um, I've lost touch with close family. Now, right now, I'm like really becoming close again with my brother, my sister, my mom because I flew to colombia on my own.
Speaker 2:I've always been a lone wolf in my life and I think that also is because of my childhood. I've been always like alone, gaming, focused on my stuff, wanting to prove to people that always told me I would never make it had a lot of those, and those things fueled me every fucking time fueled me, fueled, fucking time fueled me, fueled me, fueled me.
Speaker 2:Man, when I went to colombia and I want to say this as a motivational crazy speech for people don't let anyone tell you can't do shit, man. That's the thing I learned and I know it sounds very like generic whatever, it's cliche. I went to colombia and I sat at the table with one of the biggest people in because I needed some help to start networking, to look for maybe potential sponsors. I'm not gonna mention names, don't the guy told me, jeff, first of all, if you need my help, I'm gonna charge you 20 bubble.
Speaker 3:Um, I'm behind me you dance, that's too much.
Speaker 2:For me, 20 is a lot, especially the numbers we're talking about. And then afterwards he told me you're not colombians, you're not gonna be able to do shit in colombia um, it's gonna be very difficult for you. It's gonna be very difficult for you you're an outsider, you know you're seeing style of cna, but not to me. No malo wasa. It was a hard hit to me, but I use always those things as a fuel and one year later, look at us.
Speaker 2:Working with KFC Colombia, etb, we helped them launch their gaming center. Etb is like one of the biggest telecommunication companies in Bogota. With JBL, we've worked with big brands like Samsonite. With Pony Malta I love Pony, you love Pony Really uh.
Speaker 1:With jbl, we've worked with big brands like samsonite with pony, malta with uh, I love pony, you love pony, really I love them do they? Sell it here on the island I don't know about here okay, yeah, we have pony and morena.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, no, because we're a nice pastiche on the side. Yeah, aruba is more known for like latino culture right yeah, yeah a lot see this.
Speaker 2:No, like you and the bestabo nunca could and use that as fuel, and you don't even have to prove anyone wrong. People sometimes use it as well to prove them wrong. But prove yourself right. Yeah, that's what matters. You're in competition with only you, nobody else. You're always fighting yourself, fighting your own demons. It's never going to be easy. If you want to be an entrepreneur, it's never gonna be fucking easy what was the lowest point for?
Speaker 1:you yeah, personally now because you just said this was the business one how how?
Speaker 3:like, as in, you don't have to go in full, full, full details, give an overview and they're like how did you get out of it? I mean, well, if you got out.
Speaker 2:Look, I have been to many low points in my life and the people very close to me know this. Um, it's always a battle with yourself, as shark was saying. My lowest was wanting to quit fuego, not continue, look for like a normal job or try to start something new. Being very depressed in my house who not in colombia? This happened. I became very sick, had a burnout. People very close to me, um, yeah, how does a girl I was seeing back then, yeah, was stuck with me throughout the whole process. I really appreciate her. Um, it was just really bad burnout. I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 3:I doctor had to come, but um, what do you call those things? Iv?
Speaker 2:So I can get the vitamin I didn't want to eat. It was really bad Tour because of the stress you can get as an entrepreneur. That's what I'm saying people. Sometimes you see entrepreneurs.
Speaker 1:Is somebody here. Oh, he's looking at me that conversation is talking to you. Oh, I know I'm like actually looking at you.
Speaker 3:I forget when you start talking about it. I already saw in the corner of my eye he's going to look at me at any point. I'm curious. Let's finish this part.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's finish you sometimes see the lavish, lavish life that we, as entrepreneurs as influencers. I'm not an influencer, but I'm more like towards you guys. I mean, yeah, influencer not me what can you call it then? What are we just like? We're just a couple of. I get what you're saying a public figure that you want to be a role model and inspiration for other people.
Speaker 3:The shit we show is what we want people to see, we don't show you everything, even in these vlogs we're trying to make here.
Speaker 2:We're not showing everything. I show the what we want people to see. We don't show you everything.
Speaker 3:No, we don't show you everything these vlogs we're trying to make here. We're not showing everything like, and we want a real anger. No, no, but I mean like are you going to really?
Speaker 2:and some people do, but some things are not meant to be shared either. If you're in your lowest point, why am I going to instagram myself? That's my personal life as well. You know that was.
Speaker 1:That is but a recap of hey, this is what went on. Oh, for sure that happens, for sure I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2:I would love to be, but I don't feel like I have that impact yet on other people.
Speaker 1:I'd have to do it because I feel like I just promote realness. Yeah, and that's good. If this is the real emotion, then this is what. If it's the very normal, I go through it. So you have to be, and I respect that.
Speaker 2:You have to be very open to be able to show those things I'm not comfortable with yet flat visa and that's okay and that's, it is okay, but I'm I'm actually one of my year goals this year is to try to become more like you guys. So more no, I mean in the sense of that's good being more transparent see and man, my life is fucking amazing, like in terms of what I do my job. Sometimes I have to reflect, because I never really reflect and say, oh dear, like I'm like flying around the world I'm, I have, we have now a gaming house.
Speaker 2:I have my apartment in colombia. I'm living, I'm negotiating with big brands, with awesome players.
Speaker 3:You're not documenting your life? No, and you should, and your.
Speaker 1:Instagram doesn't show that I was looking at your Insta.
Speaker 2:Yesterday I was like this year I did a recap, 2024 recap and like just small and I'm like damn, my life actually was crazy this year but it's not. It's not visible see, I was thinking about it, I was looking at it last night I was looking at Jay's text about it yesterday.
Speaker 3:He's man, he was a vlogger like dude. It's like when you're saving some time to the phone, just buy this yeah you can use it as a webcam. You can use put it down. It tracks you as you're talking, you're moving around the room I need an editor. That's the thing I don't have time to edit, but I I know someone already exactly just find it literally, and you can literally film youtube format, or you can film vertical stories, or reels.
Speaker 2:I'm a cop.
Speaker 3:It's like 400 bucks right yeah, well, yeah, if you buy the creator combo, I think it's like like just under 700 yeah, it might be a cop, but uh, what was?
Speaker 2:what were you asking me? I don't even know you asked me my deepest moment yeah, well, no, you're low point.
Speaker 2:That was my deepest moment no filter, so I'm sharing with you guys. It was really bad. I had to start taking pills to get the iv. It was really bad. I had to do a meeting with my global team telling them my investors first like, hey guys, this is what's going on. Um, be aware of it, as I had a meeting with my players and my staff. This is what's going on. I'm gonna be out like natalie, you're going to take over this. This. This is you guys are there? Meet the by taking break. You have to take care of this man. Yeah, it's. If you don't have this, then you don't have nothing, bro, you really don't have nothing. So my, my recommendation is always take care of your mental health, man, you have to make mental sacrifice. I'm not saying that. Oh, I feel bad.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna take a day off no, no, no, no, okay, but balance your life balance your life.
Speaker 2:And if you feel like you're overwhelmed, if you're working overwhelmed, either you're gonna get that full crash that I had or you're wasting your time because there's no creativity, there's no motivation, you're gonna be procrastinating anyways, but that's where I'm at like.
Speaker 3:Recently, like most like, I got a lot of shit going on in my life, from doing the filter to a studio, to creating content for other companies, to building a house. Dude, I'm in a mess with the bank. What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 2:So I'm just like don't think about it.
Speaker 3:I'm like the extent you say to yourself go back to the river. I need to be by myself. Anyways, this is not a therapy session for me, right?
Speaker 2:now Stop looking at me like that. I'm like listening because I feel you yeah but yeah you've had conversations about this.
Speaker 3:See, we'll have a convo it's.
Speaker 2:It's complicated. That's why I respect both of you a lot and and sam, I know, of course, way more about him.
Speaker 3:We had yeah really nice nights in bogota yeah, really deep conversations drinking and then like no g for that cause and like it's like not everybody can understand these conversations like I can talk to someone like I know of worse situations you can be in. So what you're bitching about right now isn't a really big deal. Maybe it is for that person at that time, but I'm like you'll get over it.
Speaker 2:Comparison is good and really bad. Yeah, you can compare to understand that, hey, your life isn't that bad, but you have to it's bad as well, because you have to be okay and understand. Cool, look at the past and then, jay, it is something you can be emotional about don't don't do it and not acknowledge your emotions no but, you can.
Speaker 1:You also don't have to drag your emotions. We all, every situation that we have, is because we put ourselves into these situations at the end of the day. So if you take on too much, that's on you, baby, it's on nobody else. It's up to you now to decide like, hey, something's got to give. I have to remove something from my plate because if not, I cannot give everybody or all of my things the a hundred percent that I'm supposed to give to it in order for whatever to flourish to its next potential.
Speaker 2:That's a challenge to be able to you maybe need a mentor, maybe you need to follow some courses, I don't know. Listen to your daily podcasts Recommendable, by the way. I just randomly go on Spotify sometimes and I just type what I want to learn, and there are podcasters out there that really focus on these specific type of things. What's up? How are you doing? How to handle your mental health? How to you know could be something Journaling also.
Speaker 2:Journaling could be something. Journaling also. Journaling helps a lot. It's a challenge for me always to journal.
Speaker 3:I tried. I even bought a book.
Speaker 1:I legit just buy a notebook and a pen and just keep it next to me every day, everywhere I go it's just always there and then, whatever it is the most random things some people are sometimes they're afraid of seeing what the fuck they text throughout the day, but that's no I bought this notebook of amazon.
Speaker 3:It's like it basically says like what are your top three things for today? What did you accomplish yesterday? Yeah and it's like, and it's like the first, it's like every time you open it up, this side says um, you started, what are you grateful for you? And then something else, and then it's like what are your top three things for today? What did you accomplish? And something. And then over here just like write your thoughts all your notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a book of gratitude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah I started like I got like five days deep and then I got busy and then I just like left it. Consistency is he. That's your mental, that is your, can you. If you can't respect that, you can't respect nothing else it's your, it's you, I know, but it's not the easiest thing in the world no no, no, no, it's not it's not.
Speaker 1:But if you can't take time to be like, you know what 5 minutes how long does it take to fill that page out? But you gotta take a shit. You gotta do all these other things it's gonna take up. Why can't you give yourself the exact same respect? That's what I don't understand.
Speaker 2:See, I mean for everyone. I always know a person will get there and I'm also in that process. Still, you know what I mean. Every end of the year I make my yearly goals.
Speaker 2:People say it's like but you're not doing it right, you're not doing it right, man, if the new year, end of the year, is a good recap moment for you and believe me, I shit you not At the end of the year, what happens? All companies are closed, there are holidays, people are not working anymore, so everything quiets down. That's the perfect opportunity. What's up vlog? That's a perfect opportunity for you To be able to have the moment New Year's resolutions, your reflection of the year. So I think it's very dumb when people say I know new year, new me. No, it's a good moment.
Speaker 1:It's like a mini pandemic see exactly when we went through the pandemic, the world shut down. It was quiet as fuck. Oh, be quiet.
Speaker 2:Nothing else but the best moment this end of the year to reflect and I really feel like look, last year I made my, my, my goals. The only thing I didn't reach it was my, my weight goal, but everything else see, that was a sacrifice this year, I guess, but I hit all other goals. Goals this year, see, um mentally, financially, um business-wise, with fuego family you know what is your word of the year like for 2025?
Speaker 1:the word yeah. You have to have like a word of the year, like one word that's going to define what's your slogan for this year. Just a word like mine is completion.
Speaker 3:Don't ask me, I don't even know.
Speaker 2:If I have to look at just the what I planned for this year, I think it's one word, one word yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just, it's a word, just to remind you every time I was going to say the cringiest shit ever knew me.
Speaker 2:I would say grateful.
Speaker 1:Okay, gratitude, gratitude, that's good, that's a good one. So if you're going through something, just try to keep gratitude.
Speaker 2:My biggest issue in life is that I never feel like I do enough. I never feel You're looking at me. We had this conversation no see, because and my mentor, oz, always when we have, like, we have this monthly call, as you could say, but it's not really planned, it just happens Because he's the one when I'm very overwhelmed with work. I really recommend everyone to get a mentor, by the way, someone that has been telling me that I need to get a business mentor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I can recommend you a few. I have a lot yeah god bless that.
Speaker 3:I'm very grateful that I'm not gonna give up 20 percent though.
Speaker 2:No, none of these people ever charged me, okay, never, no, no, no, no, not even I. No, that's not really relevant, yeah see but all my mentors are all genuine. Um, I have very a few that are very close to me. Um, I don't have. I'm not saying school is not necessary because having a foundation is great, yeah, but it's not necessary, I think, for specific careers it is.
Speaker 1:But the world 20%, what do you mean? Like, that's really a bad thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, why are you still there? Wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, let's clear that up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm confused.
Speaker 1:Why do you say 20, not I mean?
Speaker 3:like giving up 20 percent, like of what like your earnings, if to a mentor?
Speaker 1:no, no, no no, no, that was a whole different conversation for the columbia stuff.
Speaker 3:Okay. Okay, I wasn't making a joke like, but I'm not gonna give up 20, but he said that, no, don't charge anything.
Speaker 2:No, no, if, if, if one of my mentors ever told me hey, jeff, I'm in a situation where I need matty, I would give this guy 50, yeah, but with how much he helped me yeah, he would never take it I know him even if he's in his worst moments, because he always told me that I'm here to make your dream come true and that's all that matters, was I mean, and I hope because of that, what he did to me.
Speaker 2:I hope I can do that to someone else one day as well a younger guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can I will you know.
Speaker 2:But I have to first reach to a place where I can say, hey, welcome me. To ready what do you call mentoring you?
Speaker 3:have like a apprentice apprentice?
Speaker 2:yeah, but being the person. Just to clarify because I feel like you're a little confused there is usually I got it. I get it. See, in agencies they would charge a fee of 7.5, 10, maximum 15. But just to pick up a phone call and get me in contact with a brand, 20, yeah, no, no no, no, I get, I got, I got that that one, okay, the columbia one already yeah, yeah, let's go back anyway. See just um, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3:the mentorship, yeah, so we're always doing this I think we're jumping into different kind of topics, but I like this shit, yeah. Yeah, I know I know, what are we saying? We were talking about garceau mentorship, because I I needed a mentor.
Speaker 2:I'm swinging words in the air. Now to see if one of us remembers.
Speaker 3:Or we can just change the topic real quick. I want to know about Pablo. You're in Colombia. What do you feel like, pablo, to take this next step? We can really dive into this gaming world. I feel like the islands are always behind and by the time they catch up like, oh, we can do this now. Yeah, we should have done this like 10 years ago.
Speaker 2:We need just way more support of the government. Private sector already is very active.
Speaker 2:I feel like with supporting crazy new, innovative ideas, but the public not as much. But that could also be our fault because we're not really educating them or really pitching, taking our time to develop a really strong, good plan and then develop it um, and pitch it to them right and maybe get an approval. I think in our heads we're also like I don't't know, I don't want to buy Kerekoi anyway, so we prioritize other things Could be the case. But damn, mika Mendy, I don't know if I should mention this. Yeah, but let's say, for example, we were at Curacao Tourist Board, actively working with Curacao Tourist Board, but when I just started esports, I sent an email to them and they, twice they said no, I wanted to look for personal sponsorship. La, la, la, pero ahora me di cuenta del resultado. A mí me ha creado también más como un businessman, whatever entrepreneur. I was able to educate them. I was able to show them the actual data.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, they're a company. There's rules, regulations. You can't just allocate money to bullshit. We're going for the third year now. We just closed with them for this year. We're doing an awesome project this year let's go you know the AFK at Curacao project that we did you know about it right, yeah, you just did it right, yeah, last year.
Speaker 3:the one where you bring gamers, it's like a press trip.
Speaker 2:We bring influencers to Curacao from different countries.
Speaker 3:They're all gamers, right.
Speaker 2:They're in the gaming industry but not pro players.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So they're Twitch streamers, tiktokers, but they all focus on gaming, gaming lifestyle, and this year we're bringing hopefully, if all goes, we're going to bring Shark Shark mentality. We hopefully, if all goes, we're gonna bring shark shark mentality huge team I can't say from where yet like a whole team or just a whole team, global, huge damn, and it's going to be big noise. I already spoke to the chief marketing officer to make it sound corporate. She loves the idea I met them in.
Speaker 2:Fuck, I'm like spoiling the thing I met him in a country that I visited during 2024 and, uh, it's gonna be great, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3:So well, off camera warning.
Speaker 2:I tell them who it is yeah, I'll tell you when it's gonna happen, okay, or can you talk. Well, I mean it's no, you can tell yeah, it's like it's.
Speaker 3:It's not relevant to tell like, oh, when it's gonna happen, because it doesn't really benefit anyone except, never mind, I don't. I don't want to get information but no, it's just because it's.
Speaker 2:It's not even about as confidential because I could see the name, but I don't want to make hope for something that you never know yeah something can happen or they go a different direction.
Speaker 1:It's not there yet budget's caught.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and it's not on your end, it's more like on their end.
Speaker 2:Hey, listen, something to have to cancel this Exactly, and I don't want to put them on the spot until it's confirmed Until it's signed on a piece of paper, then, like all right, now we can talk about it. So that platform is something I made because I really want people to like it's disconnect to reconnect.
Speaker 3:That's how I see it in the gaming, the gaming world like you take a break from playing games streaming.
Speaker 2:I agree, yeah, and I've been gaming a little lately, you know, enjoying but at the same time, yeah, um, take the pictures, post them on later. So that's kind of what the deal is with the, with the influencers. Um, we did 2.4 million impressions in four days with the influencers on social media. We captured everything. We visited different restaurants. Shout out to all the sponsors. Savannah car rental sorry, I don't know if I can give my press.
Speaker 3:I have no idea, we don't have the sponsor but, once you, once you start mentioning, I'm gonna write it down, I'm gonna reach out. Hey listen, I'm the brother, good jeff, and so being our car, so I'll throw up at that cause. Sponsor knows, see so savannah car rental.
Speaker 2:I'm the brother of Jeff and Sabina Corsaro sponsor us, so Savannah Car Rental. With Colme we worked. We worked with Breeze Adventures which, like they off-roading boat trips we gave the influencers the experience of a lifetime, and all they had to do was post it communicate it on your social media.
Speaker 2:People did TikToks, we did Twitch streams, irl streams, where they were trying Curacao food in the hotel rooms on the beach. It was awesome and it was amazing and Cetabay loved it and we're going to do it again this year and hopefully next year, so 2026, we'll go even bigger. Maybe mix it with a conference, maybe we can mix it with the ABC tournament teams that's where we want to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because we have beautiful islands. Don't be spoiling it, bro, spoiling all our plans, not to look like our idea. Damn, let me calm down yeah, calm the fuck down the idea is gewoon.
Speaker 2:Again back to the thing government wise. Yeah, I feel like right now we're having more open-minded people in politics. I'm sure in aruba it's the same case and at curacao same case. Bonetta I'm not really familiar with with politics over there it's very small island, of course um pero in education and actually developing a plan and pitching it. Look at the end of the day. Now people look at the project, the data, but at the end of the day, it's who's executing it, that's the, that's the deal breaker. Yeah, you have to be confident about it.
Speaker 3:Passionate you don't know what the you're doing you're, you're gonna track records like all right he knows or she knows what the she's doing.
Speaker 2:So not the bayama in there, because again, these things are it's government money, it's our money yeah, our tax are going into these projects.
Speaker 3:Okay, transfer Jeff down to Playa Grande. Hey, when Jeff thought, gee, we need to go home. Thailand.
Speaker 2:But no, that's where I think that's what we're we need to look into and we're going to do that. I'm sure we're going to come up with some cool shit.
Speaker 3:I'm really looking forward to like the conversations to come. Oh, we've been talking about this colombia and I really hope, I really want it to happen, because I've said this before and I've said this to you like and I've said this on on with the ministers of aruba as well like how dope would it be to have a tournament in the caribbean, like, bro, like beach day night gaming, like you, literally, like you wake up in the morning, you go to the beach, you fucking lay in the sun, you swim I don't give a shit like whatever, and then at nighttime it's like a whole event gaming, lights, live music, djs, like and you get to meet all these players, you network and you do like a tournament, like make it a festival a what a festival a gaming.
Speaker 2:There's a gaming music festival in in mexico. They do it in mexico city. Imagine it in cancun mati. We can be that like, for example, still spoiling more info, but mixed gaming and music, because you know what the thing is, gamers, it's all the orange economy, so yeah, it makes it so much? Gamers are not. Let's stop you know, generalizing um that. Gamers are just stinky chips, basement eating living in your mom's basement situation.
Speaker 3:There's so many penthouses.
Speaker 2:What are you talking about? Crypto, big crypto investors. I have one crypt. I have one investor in my company. That's a lot in that world. Um, good friend of mine, avid gamer, I know he is investing in Fuego just because he is passionate about it and loves what we're doing right anyways, I'm like I shouldn't have said it like that but anyways the idea just is I know it's possible, I know that we can do something great. I know we're going to continue these conversations and we're going to make those opportunities.
Speaker 3:Um, if anybody steals this idea we're going to find.
Speaker 1:You see, I'm going to lock you in the fucking basement for a year and gamers everywhere, man djs, it's in so much other things as well like you'd be like comic-con or like all these other comic-con we went to just now in medellin. You see, and the amount of people that roll out for these type of things is like all of these things are huge markets and huge industries that the Caribbean is just really not tapped into hard enough.
Speaker 3:It's a big opportunity too much and the wild part is like dude, everything is online. Like people don't even have to leave their fucking room.
Speaker 2:Like you know what I mean. Now we make it physical. You know, the goal for this league is to get everyone outside of their room.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but that would be for the final or something.
Speaker 2:No, this one is the whole league is in person.
Speaker 1:The main thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're building a setup at a certain location where people have to come every weekend to come out and play, Because my goal is to create social inclusion. You know, promote. Not all of them again come be a social, come learn, come meet new friends industry we can. You know we can hang around, get to know us. I'm gonna do workshops this year. Um is that world?
Speaker 1:very big in people staying anonymous as well. What do you mean? Small percentage People that be like, okay, like this is just like an ego or something that they just this is the character that just plays.
Speaker 2:Oh like people that are, but they don't want to know like okay, I'm that username. Very small percentage. Yeah, they exist, but it's a very small percentage.
Speaker 3:Like secret players.
Speaker 2:Like players, like who the fuck is this guy embarrassed like I'm sorry this guy under the bus, but vicente used to be one of those guys where he didn't like that. People knew he was gaming. He had to get used to it and now he's okay with it he still has fuego. It's like, yeah, go ahead in our instagram by in his instagram bio at fuego seway. He he's not been active in in fuego for so long but he's still represented.
Speaker 2:But in the past it was a struggle for him to show I understand guys that for me, the same thing when it comes to anime like I wouldn't tell people, like you know, and I still have that cringy thing with anime, to be honest, like. But I see now people watching it and it's like it's actually cool, it is dude.
Speaker 3:it's like it's actually cool, it is dude, it's not fucking cartoons, Like I was in the plane coming bro, in the plane coming here I was watching one that I downloaded, solo leveling, and I was throwing through like, look at this Kind of stabbing the fucking blood out of your like. This is what it's. So anime is completely different than the Cart telling people you watch it.
Speaker 2:I just said it right now In the beginning I like when?
Speaker 3:how am I going to take a shit, bro? I'll go in my laptop and fucking watch anime.
Speaker 2:Maybe I don't even take a shit.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to watch fucking anime, bro. Because I didn't want to get judged. I like cartooning.
Speaker 2:That used to be a thing.
Speaker 3:But now it's like bro, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Naruto Darn Well Z One Piece, you name it, I watch it yeah alright, jeff, I think we're gonna come to an end of here.
Speaker 3:Anything else you wanna add to this conversation?
Speaker 2:I think we spoke a bit about everything. I feel, like I spoke a lot in the beginning, like you know that's great.
Speaker 3:No, no, it makes our job easier.
Speaker 1:See that I gave you guys a break a few of the questions that you guys have more podcasts amazing podcasts coming later, so I saved you guys some energy nah, dude, it was fun this is something that.
Speaker 3:I've we've mentioned gaming stuff in the past but people just don't understand. So I wanted to bring you on board because I want to educate. Like there's a real fucking person that made 7,000 fucking florins a month playing in a house in Mexico for like a year and a half no expenses, like that could be everybody's like you want to talk shit about gaming, I won't make it.
Speaker 3:But you want to motivate your child to become a football player, a soccer player, a fucking baseball player. But that's doable. It's probably easier to make money through gaming than it is to get into the soccer and the football or baseball world.
Speaker 2:It's an easier access.
Speaker 3:Because it's global.
Speaker 2:You can play online, get up in the ranking and get noticed. Baseball is what's that? Physical. You have to go to the right places.
Speaker 3:You have to eat healthy, you have to work out, you have to be physical. But think about it you can make all this fucking money in the comfort of your mom's basement eating Doritos for a year.
Speaker 2:It goes and generalizes again.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying Only if your kid is passionate about it.
Speaker 3:Which kid is not passionate about gaming Everybody? Well, you play with Barbies. I was about to say.
Speaker 1:I got a PlayStation. I was mad for Christmas.
Speaker 3:You actually play with Barbies. Yes, I got a Playstation. I was mad. You actually played with.
Speaker 1:Barbies, yeah, he played with fucking Barbies. I would brush them bitches' heels. We would make outfits. Oh shit, yes, fucking. I used to hate Playstation. They bought me a Playstation For Christmas. I was so mad. They made me sit Right on the floor for Christmas. They were like Play. I was like Where's my Barbies? I want to go to my neighbor's house. I don't play fucking barbie like this is so boring. That's funny.
Speaker 3:I was not no man, all right. So that's why, like, I'm like like gaming, yeah, it's gaming. But, dude, there's a future there. You can build something out of first, even if it's for like three years of your life. You can fucking build capital, you can grow and then you fucking move on to something else, maybe start your own agency, your own team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, definitely the. The business expanded in ways I never thought possible. It would yeah like expand to, yeah um, to a point where I'm like reflecting when I wow, look how much we have achieved, look how many different things we're doing now, um, and I know that the thing we're doing now on the island is going to be start of something new.
Speaker 2:We're always innovating. Always, island is going to be the start of something new. We're always innovating, always looking for new opportunities. If there's anyone that wants to do something in gaming or had an idea in gaming, we're also going to technology development this year with Fuego. So, if you have, what do you mean?
Speaker 2:So we're trying to find solutions to certain problems in esports, but with technology instead of see services or whatever products, and actually the league we're making will be a product. We want to expand it throughout the whole Caribbean. But if there's anyone watching that has any ideas, add Chef Macaloni on. Instagram Just DM me. I always read my messages Very open to always collaborate. And yeah, just dm me.
Speaker 2:I always read my messages um very open to always collaborate and um, yeah, you want me to give some uh, motivation uh, inspiration, but no, as I said, the beginning, the biggest takeaways for me this year, or the last three years, is home. Sounds cliche, as shark mentioned, but never, ever let someone tell you you can't do it. That helped me throughout all these three, four years. Believe in yourself always and be okay with feeling. Acknowledge your emotions, acknowledge that your life might be shit at the moment, but you're going to fucking work on it, because I am in and it's completely fine. If you're going to fucking work on it, yeah, because I am in and it's completely fine. If you're going to have that crash, always know how to pick yourself back up. That's actually something we didn't talk about.
Speaker 2:Fuego the name came because actually it was a funny story. My dad screamed fuego in the house and I was like because I was saying candela, I wanted to go more Antiano and I mentioned candela and he was one day like fuego. And then what did it do? It triggered in my mind fire. Okay, phoenix, phoenix dies. Yeah, the phoenix, the slogan in the back of the house. See, don't say it's a chicken or an eagle. Oh, we will rise. So you rise from the ashes. And that's a personal story of mine where I always say the light guy is here Huh.
Speaker 2:The guy with the light guy, oh yeah, well, let me make it a quick ending. Yeah, um, that's like my motto home rising from the ashes. Fall down, get back up, fall down, get back up. In business, there will always be failures. If you're not failing, you're doing something wrong. If you're not having problems, that's your biggest freaking problem. You know what I mean yeah we have the bad things happening, that's when you know you're growing.
Speaker 2:So that's what I want to leave you guys with today and thank you guys for having me on your podcast all right guys.
Speaker 3:Thanks for watching this episode. Jeff, thanks for being with us today. It was fun. Um anything you want to say before I close it?
Speaker 1:off. No, I had a great time. Thank you so much for your time. I was going to ask you one more question, like how important is it to have like a really good, a good set of team with you doing stuff like this? But I feel like you kind of touch base with it so we could like a team as in just a good support team. Like to fall back on with Fuego in general, it was very important to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, business-wise, make always sure that your company has the right people in place, delegate the work correctly, responsibly, making sure that they actually have the skill to do it, but also teach them to get better, because each company has their own identity, own style, so you have to make them understand that and once they understand it, you can let go and let them do their thing and support a few people, man, two or three people that you for me it's one in this case, or two that you are the 100% open.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 99.9, because that 1.1 you don't tell people that's always the case and have a few more people in your support group. That was a couple put. Take yourself out of your work and freaking, talk about something else yeah, you know what I mean um, a good friend of mine in the past is she started medicine, so for it's like a whole different world for me, like I don't hear anything about gaming anymore business and I'm like holy shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, the heart has a million arteries. You know it's like holy shit, you know it's something new, so have those types of escapes for sure yeah we're opening the podcast.
Speaker 3:I'm like opening the part two guys so now but yeah, thanks for coming. I'm gonna end it right here, because if I don't end it, y'all gotta keep on going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll have conversations, yeah 100%.
Speaker 3:Actually, I think we're going to have another conversation whenever.
Speaker 2:Tonight.
Speaker 3:What.
Speaker 2:Okay, but no, go ahead. No, we're eating. We're having dinner. Yeah, we're having dinner tonight.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but what I mean is that we're going to have another episode? I'm pretty sure, yeah, either when we're launching the fucking tournament. Okay yeah, for when I talk about it or in Colombia.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a podcast, it can be anything. A no filter Paradise.
Speaker 1:I'll be closing, or y'all gonna just keep talking.
Speaker 3:Hey guys, we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for watching. Take care Peace. Bye guys.