No Filter in Paradise
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No Filter in Paradise
How Curaçao’s Carnival And Seú Keep A Culture Alive While Welcoming The World | EP 215
We break down the heart of Curaçao’s culture through Carnival and Seú—one built for spectacle and performance, the other grounded in gratitude and memory. Jesmelys Zink Angelista and Kimberly Gario share how legacy, reuse, and youth programs keep traditions alive while tourism grows.
• Carnival as moving art and entertainment
• Seú as harvest gratitude and reflection
• Differences between Aruba and Curaçao Carnival
• What makes a member vs a participant
• Youth workshops, Estrenitos, and school culture
• Costume sustainability and creative reuse
• Neighborhood pride and fixed parade stands
• Tourism, promotion, and protecting identity
• How to attend on any budget and still belong
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SPEAKER_05:That was your carnival experience? You've never went like as a grown person?
SPEAKER_06:You should.
SPEAKER_02:I had hair as for that one. That was a while ago.
SPEAKER_06:I don't go to carnival with any friends. My friends know that. Yep. It's me and the public. That's why I do.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know what your costume is because I'm like, oh, it's costumes, baby. It's legendary. More than one. What?
SPEAKER_06:This is years of participation, boy. You can't imagine how many people ask me, Kim, make a beastie. Look at Abu Ting Bistie. I want to wear what you're wearing.
SPEAKER_04:There's a budget.
SPEAKER_06:You want to work? Aruba? I love that island. Pero cultura, wa.
SPEAKER_04:Which culture? Welcome to No Filter in Paradise, baby.
SPEAKER_06:Sorry.
SPEAKER_04:Take over, Gadio.
SPEAKER_01:Take over. That's how you do. See you next week, guys.
SPEAKER_05:Hey yo, what's up? I'll like this.
SPEAKER_02:Guys, welcome back to the ABC Island's favorite podcast, No Filter in Paradise. A show about anything and everything between two friends. One is straight and the other. Your favorite melanated homosexual babies.
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SPEAKER_02:Guys, today we have a special episode. Um, I think this is one that I'm very much looking forward to. Only because I feel like me, as Shark likes to say sometimes on the podcast, this is the most uncultured man on the ABC Islands. Amen. I'm about to be educated on two things about Carnival and Curaçao and Sehu. Which is something I say it right? Good.
SPEAKER_05:He's excited for SEO for the Seu conversation.
SPEAKER_02:Because like we we first discovered this in season one of Curacao. Um, when we came there for our first season, everybody was saying, ah, Seu, what the fuck? What is Sehu? What is Sewu? And I'm like, and Iski tried to explain to us, and then Chris tried to explain to us as well. So we have a general idea, but I have almost still no idea. So today we have Jessme and Kim, correct?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So before we continue, I need to get one thing out of the way. Your last name is Garyo.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_02:Are you guys related?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because when I saw the name, I was like, yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02:So I want to know what so what's the relationship?
SPEAKER_05:Mind your business. Why are you trying to be all up in our Kool-Aid like that? No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing.
SPEAKER_02:It's the roasted part of the show.
SPEAKER_05:It's part of it. It's part of it. So her dad and my dad are cousins. Yeah. Got it.
SPEAKER_06:Because our grandparents are brothers and sisters.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Got it. I was surprised. I was like, oh, it's like why is it surprising? Like, I don't know. Like maybe it's a different Gary that's not related to you. No, no, that's crazy work.
SPEAKER_05:That's we're not about that life.
SPEAKER_02:Got it. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_05:No, you're good. You're good.
SPEAKER_02:All right, cool. Um, so today we have Kim who is pretty much carnival as well.
SPEAKER_05:Yes. That's her thing.
SPEAKER_02:And we have Jazz, which is more about Seoul. So that's her thing. Let's start with Kim.
SPEAKER_06:Tell me. What do you want to know?
SPEAKER_02:Tell us a little bit about yourself.
SPEAKER_06:Okay. Um, I'm an entrepreneur, but I live here um on the island of Curaceo and I love it. Um, I have been living here for like about 12 years and always been involved in Carnival. My family's involved in Carnival, the music part, the creating part, and um I went abroad, studied in Holland, um, participated during Carnival, came to Curaçao.
SPEAKER_02:Die Hard and your blood.
SPEAKER_06:And for also, yeah, and also started a carnival group with a group of friends, Estreno. Okay, and um, yeah, so Carnival, that's that's me. Live live breathe. It's sad thing.
SPEAKER_02:No, for real, for real. What made you move to Curaçao 12 years ago?
SPEAKER_06:Good job opportunity.
SPEAKER_02:100% take it.
SPEAKER_06:That's it.
SPEAKER_02:Take it.
SPEAKER_06:That's it.
SPEAKER_02:No arguments, no arguments, no more functions needed. I'm right next door. That's me. You need me, just fly over.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and if I need to go to Aruba, I will be there.
SPEAKER_02:Easy.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I'm and I'm happy I chose that.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. Yeah. Jess? Tell us a little bit.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, my name is Jasmili Zink Angelista. I'm also a very cultural person, born and raised on the island of Circao. I come from a very cultural family, also. Um, I'm very I've been always very involved in culture. I am a former carnival queen, also a former Sehu queen. So everything about culture is my thing. I have a platform. I just started three years ago to inspire the the youth to be more connected with our culture and to show how much we can achieve with our culture and our identity. So that's what I do.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't even know. So I know how the whole Carnival Queen thing works, but break down Seu. Like, how does that even work? I don't know how it works. But you know what I mean? Don't do blast. Guys, not for Seu.
SPEAKER_05:But that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I don't know. Yeah. I said this at the beginning, guys. I am the least cultural person sitting in this little circle right now.
SPEAKER_07:We have our party part, but it's not only the party. Yeah. It is also very to be connected with your roots, our history, where we came from, um, our tradition, because the Sehu tradition comes from our ancestors who planted in Denkunku. And Sehu is to celebrate what God sent. Yeah. Kosecha. So that's where it comes from.
SPEAKER_02:I love that. And um, how how do you feel, at least with Sehu? How does that like um reflect on the identity of Kurosao?
SPEAKER_07:Um as I already said, I I like it very much. It is beautiful to see how thankful we can be for a second and to thank for everything we have achieved. I have changed my perspective on the Sehu, and I don't only celebrate the harvest, but also everything I achieved during the year. Yeah, nice. And to connect with the universe, to connect back to God and be thankful to manifest more goals, and that is what Sehu became for me right now.
SPEAKER_05:But was it y'all's own little New Year's celebration?
SPEAKER_06:Because I've also participated uh participated in Seoul because I didn't get enough of Carnival, so I was like, I'm here, I'm gonna I'm gonna be part of Seu, but it's it hits different. I love the difference.
SPEAKER_05:I love what's the what is the difference? Yeah, yeah, especially for you for you as an outsider.
SPEAKER_06:I'm entertaining for me. Carnival is entertainment. So as as soon as I stand on that road, I'm like, look at me, this is entertainment. Yeah, and Seu, it's about the family thing.
SPEAKER_01:It's not even carnival, it's just a gardy thing.
SPEAKER_06:We love carnival, what if you're gonna be falls? And Seu, it's more the connection with your roots and the the island, the past with yourself, yeah, reflecting, reflecting and making sure. And yeah, it gratitude especially gratitude, and especially you have um Seu here in in Otra Banda, but you also have it in Bandabau.
SPEAKER_02:Is there a main difference between those two?
SPEAKER_06:The feeling for me is different is the difference, yeah. Bandabo, the feeling is so different, it's like you're even more connected.
SPEAKER_07:Other banda is more commercial. Exactly. I love it. It's a photo shoot for me. Yeah, I have hearing a rain and we take pictures, yeah, and bannabao is connecting to what it actually is. Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Which you I I like that there's two of them, so you still get the notion of both of the these activities.
SPEAKER_07:The vibe is totally different, totally different. Feel it, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I just feel like now we have to come back for so much.
SPEAKER_06:Definitely.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not looking at anybody already. We definitely gonna have to do a simple.
SPEAKER_06:The banda bow is more um simple, yes. It's a simplicity, yeah. That's um, even the people that stand and watch, it it's not all it's not all um that they're just simple with a chair and a jug, and just sitting there waiting for you to pass by. Not crowded. Yes, and I think that that's a part of banda bow that's nice for Sue.
SPEAKER_02:So both events have parades, both events have parades.
SPEAKER_06:So both events have two parades.
SPEAKER_02:Oh shit. So what is the difference when it comes to costumes?
SPEAKER_06:Oh, it's a total because when I do carnival costumes, it's feathers and skimpiness. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:What's skimpiness? Please elaborate, sorry.
SPEAKER_05:It's like sexy stuff. Get with it. Like, get with it.
SPEAKER_06:And when you uh and and at Sevu, it's more tradition. Yes, it's traditional. And that's beautiful also. Yes, and you I'm gonna Google. See, Google that it's very, it's very covered up, but beautiful and also sexy, but sexy in a different way.
SPEAKER_05:I've seen and I see like um it's like a a lot of like different I see like so they have like the ladies together and everybody in their costumes, and they they march and they dance, more coordinated, one person.
SPEAKER_07:That's what I've noticed. Yes, it's like Brazil around. Football is a big party, yes, something like this, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_05:Yes, super colorful. Yeah, no, no, no. Each group has their own colors and sections.
SPEAKER_06:Each group has their own color, and you have um individuals also in um in each group, so they go bigger or um with a bit bigger head. Um calls it a headpiece, but it's a little bit. It's a head wrap. Yes, that's the word we're looking for. But as as individuals, you have you you go bigger, you go more um elaborate.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they go all in, they go all in. Wow, now let's jump on because we're gonna be bouncing back and forth and forth. Okay, so let's jump on the carnival wave for a moment. Now, I feel like it is no secret, especially in your case, um, we've seen you and these elaborate headpieces and these elaborate costume carnivals for like in our gas stations, uh, fun miles, um magazines, uh, different things. And I believe you've won awards or you've won stuff for your participation. Yeah, how does that feel as somebody that you know came from abroad here celebrating their kind of and carnival and taking it up a whole different notch and still represent all islands and all of that, like all of that, all of that.
SPEAKER_06:Um it feels good to be accepted.
SPEAKER_05:For sure.
SPEAKER_06:It's uh it feels good to be accepted because um indeed um Saite Bay and different places also use my picture. A lot, a lot of places use the carnival pictures, and but it's still bota rubiana, yeah. But the idea that I embrace the carnival of Curaçao, the music that they have, because that's not the not the music that they play in in Aruba, but we embrace both. And that that's beautiful, and I'm happy, and I wouldn't want it what wouldn't want it any other way because I think curacao is my home now.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it really is. It really is really, it really is. I feel like you're the perfect person to ask this, especially now that we have like an audience from all the different islands. What is the biggest differences you can you've noticed between Aruba's Carnival and Curacao's Carnival?
SPEAKER_02:Curaçao wants to I was gonna ask something, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's more like guys, we're not comparing, comparing. No, absolutely comparing the supposed comparison, but these you can compare carnival, exactly. That's why I'm like, it's not like who's better, who's not better. It's just like what's the main difference between them?
SPEAKER_06:Um, curious um is still in the phase of not wanting to lose their their identity. Yeah, and I heard it in a podcast that you guys had. I don't know, I've been looking at all the podcasts.
SPEAKER_02:It's okay, there are a lot. Um yeah, there are a lot.
SPEAKER_06:Um in curious how I feel like that it's still about trying to hold on to the culture and their identity. And um, I love Aruba, and I still do, and I do a whole lot of feathers because my stuff is made by my mom in Aruba. Yeah, yeah. Every single year I see my headpiece and my body piece like two days before I go. But I trust my mother and the whole team. There, so you know, she she sends it from Aruba, but we um here in Curaçao the part of not losing the identity, the creativity. It's not all um just about the feathers, and you know, the lavishness is that it's about the real and you can see the teams reflected in the world.
SPEAKER_05:That's what I love.
SPEAKER_06:That's that's the difference, and um but I am happy that I can bring Piece of Aruba with the feathers up because you know that's um the tourists like that, they like that, they like that a lot because for them, carnival is about the feathers, but bringing those two cultures together is is what makes me me.
SPEAKER_07:But I believe that that also makes Kirosao Kirosao, yeah, correct so if you look at the Carnival Parade right now, we have so much other cultures. Different influences, turn out, Colombia, it is beautiful to see the acceptance, yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_06:Exactly. It's true, and everybody doing their thing, but still together in one parade and respecting each other. Yeah, so I think that's very very nice. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:When was the last time you were in Aruba for carnival? Um and participated.
SPEAKER_06:Last time I participated was I think seven years ago. Yeah, and I had a costume here. Uh no, I had a costume um in Aruba, and in 24 hours, my mom transformed it and I danced the um this video here. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Nah, your mom is must be. But if she's bad, don't play with her. Yeah, do not play at all.
SPEAKER_06:That's carnival, right? I went to Carnival maybe twice in my life.
SPEAKER_05:That is no sleep.
SPEAKER_07:No, no sleep. The night before I participated, my dress was not ready. Definitely, you know, my whole team working the whole night till the morning to finish my dress. And it is normal.
SPEAKER_06:But it's part of Carnival. Yeah, it's that stress. It's that it's the stress, it's about doing things together and being together. For me, Carnival is the season, yeah, not just the two parades. It is the whole journey. Like the whole journey. Yes, and uh, two years ago, we had a few tourists on the influencers on the island. Um, um, that they came to the sede from Estreno, you know, where everything is made. And they was like, Yeah, the parades were okay, but it's the life before the parades. You know, you're there, the food, you're yeah, you have drinks, you're together laughing, playing dominos, sharing stories. That's carnival. It's the whole journey to the parade.
SPEAKER_02:Until the last one, up building up until the last parade, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That's the last one, is that's the last last time. Everybody's like, hey, listen, by all means, you gotta pass, you gotta enjoy this.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Have you been in carnival? Particip participant.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, when I was younger, and the last time I was why are you laughing? You picturing me in carnival?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_02:I had hair as well. That was a while ago. I had um I'm gonna I'm not gonna regret saying this, but I know he's gonna laugh. I used to dance with popcorn dancers.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, you were a popcorn dancer.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, hold it in short.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah, but that was like the the the same time we had um African Pride, popcorn dances, African Pride for No. No, no, no, then you're way younger than me.
SPEAKER_02:No, I don't know. I'm 35. I I danced when I was 40 something.
SPEAKER_06:He knows.
SPEAKER_02:Well, anyways, I was I was still at popcorn dancers when I when I went danced at the carnival. I and I think with them I went in three times. And then two more times when I was like eight or ten, because my mom put me in it. Um I used to go with champagne for remember correctly.
SPEAKER_05:That was your carnival experience. You never went like as a grown person? You should. That sucks.
SPEAKER_02:I was I was I was 19, 20 years old when I was a park.
SPEAKER_05:That's not grown. Ew. I mean, listen, that's not grown.
SPEAKER_02:Like somebody, but two guides coming after me. Jesus. You make it easy. Very true. No, I haven't, but I know my wife's been wanting to go multiple times. She wanted to go last year. We ended up not going, so maybe it's upcoming year. Yeah. Or going out, I'm not sure yet. Yeah. So we'll see.
SPEAKER_05:So for I want to know for for yourself as well. Carnival, that experience, what does that feeling bring to you as you cursel?
SPEAKER_07:It brings a lot of pride to see how much creativity and talent we have, and that is very beautiful. And as Kim Ronnie already said, it is beautiful to see our community united. I had the honor to be on the Caroza and had an overall view. Yeah. To see the group, to connect with the people, to hear their stories, to hear what our you think about it. And that is what I think is very beautiful.
SPEAKER_05:That must be nice.
SPEAKER_07:The funny part is that I only participated in the parade one time. What? And that's when I was crowned. Wait, what? I love cars. Where have you been? What do you do for you? In the biggest group. By the side. On the side, yeah. And the sideliner. You're a sideliner. Yes, that's like every year by the side with the family, really. Enjoying everybody, and I only participated one time as the queen. And what's the difference for you? Like I was about to go. Sorry, sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Take over, Gaudio. Take over. Thank you. See you next week, guys.
SPEAKER_07:Being by the side. Yeah, the difference is side and being inside. I enjoy to see the art. I am not a dancer. Okay. I rhythm doesn't love me. So I love to see the art, see the beautiful, and see how much effort and see the talent. I just stand by and enjoy it all. And that is a very beautiful experience for me. Nice.
SPEAKER_02:But what made you go compete? Okay, that's like because you were out of it for so many, so many years as a sideliner, and then like was allowed, maybe compete. And then you win, and then you're in it.
SPEAKER_07:And then I'm done.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I'll go back to the sidelines.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, I will be very honest with this. That's what we won. When I won, Reina Desehu, they had me on a very high standard as a queen. And the level of the competition, the queen competition, went down. And people when people start saying no, that is very under your level, but I thought we are talking about our biggest cultural party. So I decided to participate, even though all the um opinions about how bad the competition the competition became to be the difference. So to send a message that this competition and all our cultural events depends on us. So if the level is going down, it's your best look to yourself. So that is what I did, and that was the reason why I decided to, you know what? All this comments, I'm going to participate. I'm gonna win.
unknown:Of course.
SPEAKER_01:Let me send the standard back up here. Good luck next year. Just bar real quick.
SPEAKER_07:Yes. And now it's your turn. Yeah, now it's your turn, exactly. That is how you do it.
SPEAKER_02:When was this? Was it last year or last year? Would you compete again this upcoming year? Sorry? Would you up would you compete again or no, no? No. I did it one time. See you next year.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, it's like an honor to be a former being. Of course. To inspire other children and the youth to take it over. To me batuta. That's what you say in papiamento. And that is what I'm doing. As I said, I have a cultural platform, cargado, and that is what I do. Inspire the youth, promote our culture as something with a lot of value. It's not Chapo, no, it's your heritage.
SPEAKER_02:Can you break it down? How you how do you do it? So with your platform, how do you inspire I don't know if you're with kids at schools or company events? I don't know. So can you break down a little bit more how you're how you're doing it?
SPEAKER_07:Yes, a lot of workshops in school and being an example by action on social media. When I attend events, I show the interesting or the trendy part of it, but stressing a lot on sharing knowledge. Because I believe if you know your history, know how much we had to fight to be here and to have um freedom of expression in our culture, you will understand why we need to celebrate it. And I mean both Carnival and Sehu. Be thankful for the freedom in Sehu and celebrate all that pride in Carnival. Exactly. And it's not just about the party.
SPEAKER_06:No, you should know the history behind you.
SPEAKER_02:But do you struggle with that? Because do you feel like sometimes people just don't care about history anymore? And you're like, that's right. I crepa salu Maya. Yeah, like you know what I mean? Like, how do you how do you deal with that challenge and try to bring the knowledge of culture in a fun, engaging way? Like, oh, I didn't know that, like that's crazy.
SPEAKER_07:It's a daily, I don't want to call it a fight, but it's it's a challenge, it's daily pushing forward, yeah, inspiring. Don't give up on speaking. As I said, when I was coming here, I was very nervous because English is not my thing. Yeah, but I had to just change for a second and realize that this is this is another opportunity, exactly, even though my English is not perfect, right? That's all that's another opportunity to just send the message, and I couldn't miss this opportunity, so it is every day trying, pushing forward. That's how I do it. And I have a team, I'm not doing it alone anymore. My platform is growing, I have more people and more young people believing in this vision, and we are doing a lot, we are creating um obra teatral like movies, videos, reels with the history, but bring it in a very trendy way. That's good, and also bringing generations together. So my cast is not only experienced people presenting, but I'm putting the youth together.
SPEAKER_06:Yes, bringing them together, creating the platform to bring them together, bring them together to find each other. I think it's it's important for Sehu and also for Carnival because now what you have you have um participants, you don't have members of groups, and there's a difference. Bring that down, bring that down when you have um participants now. The everybody that comes to Carnival, they just want to pay, get their costume with the 112 stones that you said you were going to put on.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly.
SPEAKER_06:But that's that that's actually the attitude that you have, and you have um members of groups. Members of group is we are doing this together. So if we so if we have 50 stones, we're gonna share it in 50 people if it's needed. We work so we can go together to the parade. And I think that's the the biggest um they say in the chemist, the the thing that we we miss at this moment, we have a whole lot of participants, but members of groups are are are becoming um yeah, the group's harsh, the group is coming becoming smaller, and I think that's what we have to make sure. Why do you think it's becoming sorry because the world is it's about fast, fast, easy, easy money, money. Yeah, I'm gonna pay you, you're gonna make it. Let's figure it out. Whatever happens with the city. You can't imagine how many people ask me, Kim, make a beastie. Look at I want to wear what you're wearing.
SPEAKER_04:There's a budget.
SPEAKER_06:You want to work? You want to work?
SPEAKER_02:You're you're already late.
SPEAKER_06:Hey, you you can't you it's more than just um paying and going to a parade. A parade is it's like I said, for me, it's entertainment, it's making sure that everyone, the sideliners, can enjoy. So it's not about drinking, drinking, drinking, and um half of the parade, your headpiece is too heavy for your head, and it's thrown in. No, I wear that hat piece from the beginning till the end. Until the end.
SPEAKER_07:Yes, and a couple of years ago, everybody wearing a carnival costume was very proud. Proud. Yes, like it was a mode show, yeah. Because it's art fashion shows, yes. You're wearing pieces of that spride is is like disappearing.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it reminds me when when I saw you last time you were in carnival, you had this big look at her earrings, remind me of the color of the big costume you had.
SPEAKER_05:This is from the is the in he in uh in Curasaur or you in Aruba.
SPEAKER_02:You had like a whole green art costume, and you were like you were by yourself, and one of like what do you call them? Kaminata, like a model.
SPEAKER_06:That's that's that's carnival and that's that's entertainment, especially in a section. I don't go to carnival with any friends, and my friends know that. Yep, it's me and the public. That's what I think.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know what your costume is like because I'm like oh it's costumes, baby. It's legendary. More than one. What?
SPEAKER_06:This is years of participation, boy. I and this is like my mother has sent pieces to Holland when I was studying, so I can participate in this over carnival for you to understand. It's a serious commitment. Wait, wait, what's your answer?
SPEAKER_02:Kim Gary or Kim?
SPEAKER_06:Kagario.
SPEAKER_02:Got it. Ah, of course, private. Oh, wait, I thought I followed back. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, God. I guess follow you because I this is the horrible one on socials.
SPEAKER_06:I think in highlights you can find.
SPEAKER_02:I'm good with social media for other people, not for myself.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, okay. At all, at all. But um, I this is what I love about Carnival. It's just that of a no papi kumi, I'm not going for nobody else. It is legit. Me and me. You the streets, this is the time to make your culture as big as possible. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:So interact with the public, and that's it's kind of like what you see when you look at the carnival in Brazil. They're entertaining. So I had the opportunity to go to see um a parade um with Estreno, and we came. We that was the COVID year, boys. So we it was like in March carnival ended, I think February here, and the day two days after we went to Brazil and we um saw a carnival no Beinty Beinty 2020, and then we saw people with with with mon copiers, and we were like and then and then we we did uh Corona, and then we put virus and then ha ha ha ha. And then it came and came back and two weeks later shut lockdown.
SPEAKER_01:Who's laughing now?
SPEAKER_06:But we um experienced carnival in Brazil, and that is like the ultimate for me um way of entertaining. But then I I saw resemblances. I was like, okay, this is actually what I do because for me it's important that the sideline is the tourists, the the elderly, the young people that they can see this is fun, but this is you having fun in a nice way, and you enjoying and embracing the creativity, the person or you made, and that you can dance with that oh, the whole parade. For me, that's carnival.
SPEAKER_05:I have a question for both you ladies, and this question I really want y'all to answer to mainly the camera, but what are because I know y'all just talked about people not having that feeling of wanting to participate genuinely and doing the work and getting all this? What are practices or what do you think is missing? Why do you think that is happening? And most importantly, solution base is what I like to go for. So, what can we instill all together to kind of get that community to come back? Good question.
SPEAKER_07:Okay, I believe that Carnival and Seoul are both legacy and we need to trespass it to the next generation. We need to tell them in schools, in after school organization, how much we have done to create what we have now. Let them see everybody that in the past have worked on this, show the pride, show the everything that it cost us. And when we like push that feeling of belonging in the upcoming generation, show them how to how to create um costumes in schools, show them how to play our music, show them everything they grow up in the pride and connection with this heritage. I believe that we need to one understand that it is legacy, so it is our responsibil responsibility to trespass it and also start with children.
SPEAKER_05:I agree.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I would say break it down, break it down, don't make it too too um too difficult for them to understand. Um, I work with kids the whole day, every day, and Um they the kids at um my after school care I make sure that they understand how important carnival is to me and what it the happiness that it brings to me and because they understand and see how happy it makes me they want to feel it. Yeah, so um Estreno has had different things made at Happy Villa with the kids, for the kids, by the kids, and last year I didn't have that, and they were like, aren't we making stuff? What's happening? And what about Estrenitos? Estrenitos is also yeah, yeah, and and that's the and um for and this year that's coming up. I'm doing um Hats of the Dreams Kids. Um, but Estrenitos is also something, it's legacy because um the grandparents had Estreno di Piquete, then it became with Estreno Mass Piquete. That was less uh it became Estreno Carnival group, and now there's Estrenitos. Oh wow, because it's legacy, it's legacy, it's from family to generation to generation, and that's beautiful of that group, but it's not only that group. Do you have that in Curaçao? But it's because it becoming it's becoming less. People like us have to make sure that we can we bring it to them. Just show them how happy it makes me. They're like, are you are we what's happening? Why aren't we having stuff? Then you bring stuff. Let's help them create, give them the opportunity to create. And maybe it's it will it will not be that perfect, like what you think it's perfect, but let them have it on this drag vlaker. That's what they say, right? Drach vlakrier. You say you have an after school daycare, like hey, the biggest afternoon.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry, sorry, I hear that in case you missed that first part. Biggest.
SPEAKER_05:Don't compare me with us, they're not like us.
SPEAKER_02:No, the reason why I ask is um because I thought maybe it was like something in school, but something after school. After school, is there I don't know if it exists or not. Do they teach like maybe a Seu or carnival in school at a young age?
SPEAKER_07:Like, no, not really. Oh only in Simandi cultura, some workshops, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But do you think it should be implemented? Like definitely. At least um beam with the high vac the pa pin in that.
SPEAKER_05:I would like to hear from y'all what y'all think the VAC should be in school.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:What do you think it should teach based off of carnival and six? This reminds me of uh Bonaire.
SPEAKER_06:I think that there it's two different things, but I would say um creative. Creative, um, creative um vardagen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys, you guys come on, you know what I mean? Um and why? Because creativity is not only things that you can do with your hand, but you can um you can um be creative with different things, and I think that should be the base so that you can um um let different um workshops be done in in that lesson, you know, and for so um for fundered underways, which is which are younger kids and middle batteries, VSBO, those are the um uh the the that those are the places where you should be able to have something creative. What they get now is nada, serious serious. That's like zero.
SPEAKER_02:Let me tell you, in my history class, I'll never forget this. In our history class, they made us watch movies and then we write a summary about the movies. Yeah, you know what the movie was? The gladiator. Yeah, not even like the actual, like, not even like a documentary, just uh the actual gladiator. I'm like, dude, what are we what are we learning here? What's the point? What do I do with this? Is this film school? Or what are we watching?
SPEAKER_06:And history doesn't have to go so back to way back, you don't have to go to Tula. Yeah, Tula is important, but it's not the only history. History is like five years ago also and ten years ago, and I think we um constantly forget that. So you can go back in something like Carnival, go back in a legacy from the grand the grandparents. Why did you start? And how did you do it? And mama, papa, how did you do it? So, how am I gonna do it? Because I it needs to it needs to fit in the and it needs to fit in the hira new, yeah, definitely. So we can we can say, yeah, the culture and we have to hold on, but it's shifting. Yes, you don't have to lose it, but you have to move along with it, though.
SPEAKER_07:And I believe there is a big difference between culture and history, exactly. Culture, you can stop the development, no, but we need to know our base. But that is exactly history. But give the generation space to create, to have something to say about their culture, not losing what we have as the basic, our history, but creating culture that fits us now, and Curosa still has that.
SPEAKER_06:Um they do, Aruba. I love that island, pero cultura var.
SPEAKER_04:Which culture? Welcome to North Old Paradise, baby.
SPEAKER_06:Cultura war and I love my island, but what I see here in Curaçao.
SPEAKER_02:I saw in Kayakaya just now.
SPEAKER_06:Is what yeah, I yes. I um I was I as a Rahubian, I'm longing to have that. Because I don't know. I know more of the culture and things that are going on here than than Aruba. Yeah, be nice to tourists. We hey, we know that. We got that, we got that cover because they have a lot to learn still here on the island, and it's getting there. But I'm 43 years old, so I'm talking about like God knows how long ago. But we always had yeah, tourista, make sure that they are okay. Yep, no soof, oof. And that's the reason why I love this island, and I love my island, but this island still has that culture, and I hope that we never let that part go.
SPEAKER_02:I never realized that until our second season of Career Soc. That's when we got to because the first one we didn't really get to explore, we came in and out. Second time we came a little bit more prepared, and we had days that we can explore, and we got to go to like different restaurants, and we were like near Peter May, and we got to see, we had a conversation like, damn, like I'm looking at this building and it's still like falling apart, and it's these paintings that some local artists did, and it's part of the identity of furniture, even that they use is like my aunt, like oh, this is my aunt has this furniture.
SPEAKER_05:You know, so it was like, yeah, oh, like if everywhere you go, you just feel like uh yeah, I'm at home. So I'm at home.
SPEAKER_06:See, that makes this island so unique. That makes Curso very unique.
SPEAKER_02:That for me is when I realized, like, oh, oh, I'm gonna get the Kong. See, they say like Aruba kind of like lost a little bit of a chance. Americanized chunk, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That's Americanized, that's too Americanized, yeah. Very Americanized. Remember, Shandino got all the backlash when he said the one thing, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:No, but he was he already saw what's coming way ahead. Now we're all now we're all talking about what he got backlash for.
SPEAKER_06:He was right. Yeah, when I go to Aruba, I go to I go to um San Nicolas, that's where I'm from, yeah, and that's where I feel at home. Um, but that's the part of culture, my culture, that that's still alive.
SPEAKER_02:I hope if as soon as San Nicolas loses that, yeah, they can't, they can't.
SPEAKER_05:We're gonna fight for that. 100%. And that's the that's why I always say I feel so comfortable when I come to Kiracao. Because I feel like curacao is like an enhanced version of San Nicolas, it's like everywhere in Kiracao feels like San Nicolas, it's culture, it's art, food, it's art, it's food, it's the humildiness of everybody knows each other, so it's like eyebuntari kway, like uh keep it pushing. It's not that exact, yeah. You have that here, so I can understand completely when you say like you feel at home in curacao, and it's that's like, yeah, yeah, because it really is what we used to be. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_06:And I think that's important for Carnival and Seoul, also. Those are two very important um festivities or celebrations, celebrations that um we shouldn't lose the authenticity of it.
SPEAKER_07:For me as a Yudic or so, hearing you guys speak like this about Circao and how we preserve our culture. I hope that a lot of the youth hear this conversation because this is the pride we need to look at here and know that our work is not for nothing. Continue embracing it, yes, embracing it, and that is why we were speaking about what we need to give more in school. I believe it needs to be also talent and identity to create pride, to to make um our children courageous, proud of what is makes us us, because I sit here and now I hear three people from Aruba speaking about us, and it's like wow, this is beautiful. If we just could see pa look, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, she already moved and he's about to move.
SPEAKER_07:So hey, every time I hear what about you?
SPEAKER_02:To be honest, like even our last trip, I was like, I don't, I would see myself. I just told Tyler, like, I want to come back here in a few months with my wife and stay like stay here and just like yeah, because she always came with us, but it was always work-related. We never came here to actually like enjoy. I think this trip was the most you've ever done in care, so to be honest.
SPEAKER_04:For sure.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you.
SPEAKER_04:No, for sure.
SPEAKER_02:We really got to explore, try different things. We went to different restaurants we never tried before.
SPEAKER_06:It's not a good thing. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_02:Goats too, and all that.
SPEAKER_06:Hey, it's coming hope because I do a different projects. Besides that, I have the afterscope. I do different projects, and what um I notice also is that um you have um the tourism board, they're involved in different, yeah, different stuff. So much. And that makes that also makes a difference, you know, because um you can approach them for anything, and if they see potential, they're always willing, they're always willing to back you up. And I think that's one of the reasons why there are so many things that make the difference, the different projects that make the difference on the island and keep and keeps uh preserves the c um the culture.
SPEAKER_05:Looking at Aruba real quick.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. I think see see.
SPEAKER_02:How is like Carnival Parades and the Se Wu Parades? How does this help local businesses?
SPEAKER_06:Definitely. Because everything that you buy and you are uh everything, like um tela, takosangku, yeah, you know, uh most of the groups buy um abroad, that's standard. Um, but all the other stuff, the food, the the sed life, the sede life, everybody got a job. Everybody has something that they can do, and what's nice is that you most of the time you have the same person, so you have that same tanchi, and that tanchi knows that carnival is coming up.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, tanchi, instead of being ti pa is a thing.
SPEAKER_06:Hello, everybody, and you can use carnival, and it it it it all it's also being used to promote um curacao, and because you have the tourists, the restaurants, the hotels, the so that's I think that's that's the the best thing about Carnival NCU. It's a spin-off in the economy, and everybody it has an impact on everybody, a positive impact on everybody.
SPEAKER_02:I've I've realized as you were walking around, we've seen a lot of more Americans in Curaçao than compared to last time.
SPEAKER_06:So it's compared to last time we were here compared to when were you guys here the last time?
SPEAKER_02:Earlier this year.
SPEAKER_06:I think January, January. More Americans, more Brazilians.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:More Brazilians.
SPEAKER_02:I was saying the hope you made to come and enjoy like the carnival of Curaçao.
SPEAKER_06:I don't know the facts, but I think you have the a different a lot more tourists. Um for Hain, it it was more the European tourists. Yeah. But there's a uh spin-off that you have a lot of Colombians, you have a lot of Brazilians, you have, and I um Nachmas C Tabe, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's a lot of Colombians, a lot of Brazilians, and a lot of Americans.
SPEAKER_05:We did do the interview with Muriat, and he did he did show us like the toy that is chilling.
SPEAKER_06:You see, hey, I mean I've been doing, you know, I've got an it's for me, it's it's also important to know the tours that are coming to the island because you know the the tours that you have to cater to. Yeah, and that's the Arubiana in me. You always cater, no matter, no matter what. Um, but these are the the are the tours that are really coming for enjoyment and and carnaval and to compare and and kaya kaya and say oh. So more of those festivities on the island, you'll get more of those tours. And a lot of promotion.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, I was about to say it's a lot of promotion. You're doing an amazing job promoting. We I believe in the past we didn't put so much attention to the promotion part, but I see it growing. Say D Bay is doing a lot of promotion, and that I believe that that helps also a lot.
SPEAKER_05:It does. The promotion, the amount of promo that I noticed that Curaçao has, and this is island wide.
SPEAKER_06:We are getting there, we are getting there.
SPEAKER_05:Island wide, what I noticed if y'all have a concert or y'all have whatever, it's like everybody, all radio stations, students by platinum is like, okay, even uh everybody, this is what we promote. Everywhere, and it's like okay, you're it's coming up, so you everybody the entire island is like it's like a movement, yes, and everybody is willing to move left or move right from outside looking in.
SPEAKER_06:I'm an outsider because it's not everybody corrected. That's be that's be as I never hear air like in because not everybody's enjoying that there are a whole lot of tourists maybe coming to the island, etc. But it's part of it. If you want the island to grow, if you want to the the economy to grow, some yeah, you you gotta be able to do it. You want to fix up neighborhoods. Our identity exactly catering but not losing what you have.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so how do you how would y'all imply that um it or that locals can look at it as you're losing your identity? Why why why is that fear there for more tourism?
SPEAKER_06:I think um because I I have been involved uh not this year but the two years before with Kaya Kaya. So I have been all deep in the project, deep in in otra banda. And what you hear from the the locals is that they say, Yeah, but they're buying all our houses, and then they come and they make um nice places and they get tourists, and then it's not our neighborhood anymore. I think it's fair because it's um they're not well informed. If you have the right information and you do it gradually, they'll um it'll have um a less negative effect on the the the locals, but giving them enough information, explaining them why certain things are um shifting, not changing, shifting. I think that's important. And that's what we should log on.
SPEAKER_07:I believe it needs to be both ways because business-minded people coming, they need to also understand that we have a cultural identity that we want to protect. And we I believe for the um to elevate cura, we need to meet each other halfway. I'm I believe that is the best way.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, because you the even even if you're coming with a business, you still have to hire the locals. Exactly. So, with that being said, like you have to understand who we are as as people and what we believe as culture. And what I've noticed here, especially is every barrio is extremely proud to say that me bari nahm, it's a banda. Like everybody is very proud of where they are, and you see, I feel like there's kind of also like a difference. I know it's like in Holland is like that. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of people. You can tell the difference. You see that pride of like, no, say tami bario, and everybody has like a different style and motion of how they move in their area. So you kind of, if you're going to come into an area, I feel like it is up to the businesses to also understand who the people are, what they are about, and how your business is going to for your business to have success in these areas, you have to have these people also proudly promoting your business.
SPEAKER_06:And certain people, certain businesses do that, but you have a whole lot that don't because it's it's let's make money, let's make money. So I think it's about the balance and meeting each other halfway, making sure that the locals understand why you're here and what the what what the the the plus pin is that you're here and I'm the shome. What we what can what can we mean for each other?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So go ahead.
SPEAKER_05:I want to ask when it comes to um sustainable practices for both Seoul and Carnival, do we have a lot of like recycle and reuse goods or things that we're like, hey, you know what? Especially like for maybe the kids, like, hey, um, let's recycle this and let's use it in a new way. Do is are these part of Carnival and Seo?
SPEAKER_06:A lot. Yes. Really? A whole lot of money. Yeah, yeah. Really? Yes. Because those feathers and those things, those are as soon as you take it off and you're not gonna use it. It's for the next ring. It's for the next one. You take them off. Stop. Hey, you have to do it. So you build a whole costume and you just deconstruct the whole thing. And she asks, like the week after, Kim, wear my feathers. Yeah, Kim, wear my feathers, and then one for one, I take them off. I have to comb them because there's like a special brush, and then I have to wrap them and send them back to Aruba.
SPEAKER_00:Whoa.
SPEAKER_06:So yeah, and then maybe like five years after, I'm like, hey, I've seen you before. But it comes out of so, and that's not only my costume, but that's what most groups do. Because somehow you things that you can reuse, you should reuse.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, yes, and the dress I was crowned in last year. I crowned the new queen with it, but you couldn't recall.
SPEAKER_05:Tell it was a new same dress.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, a few years ago, uh one. With a lot more on it, making it more remixing it a little bit. Nobody could tell it was the same dress. I love your new dress. So bigger than the new thank you.
SPEAKER_06:That's the way to go because a few years ago, one of the queens, um, Kim Kimberly. When Kimberly Martha's one was a costume that I wore the year before. That's what she had on top. The same thing. I love that. Kim, come on. You need a costume. Look, come on. The only thing that we fixed was the headpiece, and she went and she won the crown.
SPEAKER_03:Crazy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_07:All my photo shoots for my promotion to participating was old headpieces from groups. Estreno viva. We're wearing them up.
SPEAKER_06:You should you should be um able to reuse stuff. You know, just like when you go to a party and something you can wear the same outfit. Yes, I can. Yes, you can. Yes, I can.
SPEAKER_02:So you can wear the but uh but your mom your mom has a whole warehouse.
SPEAKER_06:No, my mom.
SPEAKER_02:With everything organized A to B.
SPEAKER_06:You cannot imagine.
SPEAKER_02:It's A to B. It's right here.
SPEAKER_06:There is a room that we don't use at all. There's always a room where you use like my old bedroom is that room.
SPEAKER_02:Oh god.
SPEAKER_06:So she has like the feathers, the stones, and very serious. It's very serious. She sends like a whole box with little stones just in case they fall off, you have to like reach it. Fall off so that you can stick them back, and then I have to call her in and then make sure that no, but that stone is not right. Take it off, put it on.
SPEAKER_07:All my old silver dresses coming out of the closet just to um give to little children's ding simandi cultura. So everything we use again.
SPEAKER_05:I love that, and especially because you get to because uh fashion is one of the industries that accumulates the most waste, just because everything a lot of people believe in fast fashion on oh no, okay, you read once like let it just leave it rot and throw it out after. So I love the fact that y'all are actually here promoting that. No, actually, yeah, it's not trash. No, no, definitely we can actually we need that.
SPEAKER_06:That's the money. It's going back in my closet. It's going back in my closet, and whoever can use it, and if I don't use it, someone else can use it. In another form, in another form, in another group, whatever it is. It's not it's carnival, it's not saying that I'm part just part of a group, you're part of Carnival. So if you can contribute to another group, why not? Yeah, it's no comp it's not competing. It's a competition, right? Because you win group of the iron. But actually, it's not a competition. We're doing this together. Together, we're doing this together. It's fun competition. It should be fun competition. It should be. The idea is that it is functioning.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, yeah. So we we experience both sides. The the fun and um yes, the fun part of the competition, but also very competitive.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yes, which adds a little bit of the zush to it, yeah. You kind of need that like too much cafe.
SPEAKER_06:You know, Gustaf.
SPEAKER_03:But anyway, yeah, you need that.
SPEAKER_02:I want to ask, like, um, how can Carnival and Seu both grow moving forward without losing their identity?
SPEAKER_06:I think we've been we've been repeating that. Is um making sure that um all the younger kids understand why it's important for it to stay the way it is, but in in their own form, you know, that that they understand um why it's there, why it should be celebrated. Um my grandmother would say that's carnival, that's carnaval, carnaval, no no no, carnaval take car, yeah, it's a whole nother godly story. But that's what you that's also what you have. Um, but you should um make and let kids understand why and why carnival and the combo tas here. You do it for the community to come together, nation building, to be to be to be creative together, um to socialize, to have something to bel belong to, yeah. You're part of something. Yes, because of you, you um you can together you can promote your island. We're doing this together. You don't have to be born here, it's a pride, it's the pride that I'm gonna be. I live here and I'm proud to be here, and I can stand next to uh Yukur Sao Pura and say, Let's do this together. Carnavalta nos. And we are doing it together.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, 100%.
SPEAKER_06:Carnavalta nos, se uta nos. And I think that that's the most important thing. Do make sure that they understand.
SPEAKER_05:And that's actually what it's all about. It really that is the vibe. Like, you cannot go to Carnival and be like, nah, me take. Like, you're here for everybody. Like, it's that is the most beautiful feeling of Carnival, is like the mayhem that you have to go through. But then it's just once officially your car is parked and you're walking up towards that the road, and you're telling everybody like you this man, you're like walking with your still feet, and you're like soddy, don't talk, don't break.
SPEAKER_06:It's official.
SPEAKER_05:The moment the band plays that first tune, and you're like, it's carnival, like it's official. You can never get enough of that thing, man. I cry every year. The carnival is over. I'm like, until next year again, man. Until next year. It's the most beautiful feeling that you can represent your culture. Yeah, and you're just you're representing that's the the biggest thing to carry is like you are representing your culture, yeah, your the vision of what your island represents, and the fact that you get to be participate and be part of that is huge. Yeah, it's huge. How can you not take pride in that?
SPEAKER_06:And it and the idea that you can um is it stake on people on the side that the tourists can be like, I want to do this again next year, or someone that is doubting to participate can be like how is Shaggy talking about like talking, and I'm like thinking about like when I went in, like, damn, he's right.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I'm like, now I'm gonna have to tell my wife, like we're going next year.
SPEAKER_07:Both events, Sehu and Carnival.
SPEAKER_05:No, we want I would love to participate. I've been to Carnival last year. This year. Last year, it was this year. This year, this year, this year, this year. Yeah, you skip, you skip carnival. It's the knee. You skip. It was this year. We went for Estreno. Yeah, mas piquete, to be specific. And uh, it was crazy because two comments I've got the most was like, Hey, you're gonna go to Hirastal? Their carnival is very long, it's long, it's like long, very long.
SPEAKER_06:But actually, it's not long. Aruba so carnival to cortigo. Yeah, that's the difference.
SPEAKER_05:Seriously, and it was like short, the music is gonna be chapo, so how are you gonna deal with that? And I was like, okay.
SPEAKER_07:That's the idea. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Until I arrived, I was like, wait, what you're doing? I went the entire route. Yeah, it it definitely is fast-paced. So the difference is like in Aruba, we do a lot of pauses, we do a lot of stops. They just they're they're going to go. It's like, what you stopping for? Let's go. Yeah, it's and you just go, you go, you dance. The music variation. I don't know if it was uh Estreno or the I if this is our.
SPEAKER_07:We have also a lot of parades. Yeah, the theater parade, the kids' parade. So yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:It was an amazing time for sure. And that's how I got I got to the point of like you really cannot compare the carnivals at all. At all. Kuraçao has their own culture, their own vibe, their own music, and that's what makes Kiracao beautiful. Aruba has their own thing. We have our own music, our own vibe, our own.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, I'm not gonna lie. When I'm in in Aruba and I'm dancing that music, I'm like, yes, I'm home.
SPEAKER_05:But curaçao also makes you feel like home. That's the thing.
SPEAKER_06:And that makes it, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's almost the same thing, but completely different. Yeah, fully different. You're coming for like the same kind of thing, but like, oh yeah, it's carnival, but I'm why am I feeling different, but in a good way? Like it's like a different perspective of it's crazy.
SPEAKER_05:I love it. I really, really love it. So now Sue is on the next floor.
SPEAKER_06:Sue is something you guys should really come for.
SPEAKER_02:Well, 2026. I never been to Carnival in Gurza. He's been this year. That was this was your first time. Yeah, and we had an episode, we hope we talked about it. Unfortunately, it didn't come out because something happened with the audio, and it was like it was just yeah, it was just mute, and we were we had like a 30-40-minute conversation about like going back, and it's okay. Listen, it happens every now and then, things go wrong. It won't happen this season, though. I bet um no, it we had a whole episode talking about this. Like, he was super excited. He was like the way he was talking was like, like it's a full difference. Like it's a hope, even the people on the outside on the side is way more hardcore than if you could. Hardcore crazy. They even compete against each other. Like, we have the who's the loudest, yeah. What side can be the loudest?
SPEAKER_06:Exactly dressed up in colors, like in Aruba.
SPEAKER_02:But there's like five group, five different tents out of like five hundred, and then Chris always like people.
SPEAKER_06:This is like everybody has a stand and you have that's your spot every day. You don't stay at nobody's place because that's gonna be a big problem. Remember, remember this is not this is because you have it's like they they like YDK has a stand. Everybody has YDK always has that stand. Yeah, that's there, and the whole route is um is already um divided, so you know where you're gonna stand. Yes, so everybody knows so no the next next year that those are my neighbors.
SPEAKER_03:Every year those are my sequels.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, what are you doing to what are you doing next year? I'm gonna do this, we're gonna do that. Should we put a DJ? Should we put a uh a porta potti, whatever it is?
SPEAKER_02:Everybody wants to like I want to be the best. Everybody's collaborative. Great. We got five.
SPEAKER_06:Like we now they have stands also for tourists, huh? Yeah, um, a few years ago it was very small, but every year you notice there are more stands where tourists can just go buy a ticket and sit and watch the parade. That is nice music and drink. So, yeah, that's uh that's catering. That's catering.
SPEAKER_02:That's good for the for the economy on Curso. Exactly, even more.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_02:So it looks like we're definitely coming next year. Yeah, it's happening. Is it a big gap in between? Yeah, okay. So it's like we have to go and come back.
SPEAKER_06:In April, is um Seo is always always uh Easter Monday.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Got it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, Easter Monday. You know, carnival is carnival.
SPEAKER_02:It's but it lines up with Aruba's Carnival, too, right? So if you come here, you have to show you.
SPEAKER_06:It's always the Tuesday before after Wednesday.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so it's like it depends. It depends what what parades you want to come for. Yeah. If you want to come for like the closing parade, I think that's Tuesday. By then Aruba's Carnival, we already.
SPEAKER_02:On Sunday. That's why people leave like that.
SPEAKER_05:All of them they fly out. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:That's why I could walk the Saturday to Sunday in Aruba. Come back and walk the Tuesday here.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:All right. I think we're going to um close it off here. Unless you have anything else you want to add?
SPEAKER_05:Um, I just want to ask the ladies to just please look into the camera. You already know how this goes, okay? But I want to know, um, I feel like right now we have everybody's watching. The government is watching. Maybe um a father and his child is watching. Everybody's watching right now, currently, uh, this episode. So, what to you all is the biggest take back and the biggest pride for that you would like people watching to take away from the experience of Carnival and Seu for curaceo? And if they even want to experience it, like for somebody that's never experienced it or been even heard about it, because we have people from the US and Oliver that watch the podcast.
SPEAKER_02:So I've never heard about Sehu until a year ago. Exactly.
SPEAKER_05:So I would like to know that from your perspective. Like, how would you sell this experience to the people that are listening? And how should they be proud, like proudly proud, uh proud to be part of it?
SPEAKER_07:Okay, um, with Sehu, I would say it is a beautiful opportunity to see how united we can be, um, how humble we can be as persons, and how we keep our legacy living. So, I would want to ask every company, the government, to give the support to every group, to every organization that is working on keeping this heritage living. We need to do it together, and our legacy told how much we achieved by unity. Carnival in the past, our companies was putting money in it to making big. I know time is difficult, but as we see, the economy blooms when it is Carnival in Seahoo. So let's invest in this in this big event so we can grow together as the island.
SPEAKER_05:Amen.
SPEAKER_06:And what I will just um also say about it, the only thing is with Carnival, um, it's not about the costumes that are uh most most costly, because you can also enjoy and be um united together in a t-shirt. So it's not only about the beautiful costumes, it's about dancing and enjoying together. Real don't lose that, don't lose that. Make sure that you know it can be a short, it can be something very simple. You do not have to be in the most expensive group, you do not have to be in the most lavish outfit, you just have to be there. That's the only thing.
SPEAKER_02:Awesome. Well, guys, I want to, ladies, I want to thank you for being on the show. Guys, ladies, ladies my god now. If it's not one goddess, the other. This this week has been has been something for me. Everybody's jabbing at me all day. Doesn't stop. Even on my last night, I'm still getting jabbed. Listen. Uh either way, ladies, thank you for coming on the show. Um, guys, I hope you guys learned something today. And all the information, which I'm gonna need you to send me, um, Instagrams, websites, everything, send it to me. All that will be in the description. So if you want to know more about any of these two ladies, go follow them. If you have questions, follow ask them. And um, hopefully, at least for me, to see a different part of Carnival. Because I only know Aruba.
SPEAKER_05:Let's get it, let's get it, let's get it.
SPEAKER_02:We'll see you next week. Peace. Ayo, and nice.