Ken ta controlá nos futuro? Debe, Poder & Autonomía Real cu Rocco Tjon | EP 218

We unpack who really controls Aruba’s budget, why interest rates and ratings matter, and how external approvals shape local priorities. We press for clear, public-facing transparency while debating body cams, mental health funding, and whether tourism growth helps or traps us.

• Minister vs Parliament roles and trade-offs
• Oversight, motions, and budget amendments
• Dutch financial supervision and final-say risks
• Interest rates, ratings, and loan buybacks
• Transparency gaps and missed stakeholder talks
• Tourism expansion vs diversification strategy
• Body cams, protocols, and privacy law
• Social funding for violence, addiction, mental health
• How to link infrastructure to jobs and services
• Calls for public updates and document sharing

SUBSCRIBE TO OUR CHANNEL:    / @nofilterinparadise 
INSTAGRAM | https://www.instagram.com/nofilterinp... 

Transcript

Cold Open And Host Banter

SPEAKER_03 0:05

Dollars kiman! What are your your thoughts on the castle? It would have even gone that far, or you can't do it.

SPEAKER_04 0:24

I mean, I'm not body camps. I'm like, I'm not sure what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

No, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

And then it's a money-making machine. Like, why are we financing our own things? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

No, it's just not like that.

Show Intro And Guest Return

SPEAKER_03 1:01

Okay, translation fast beautiful five star than hey yo, what's up? Ala chemisters!

SPEAKER_04 1:19

Guys, welcome back to the ABC Islands favorite podcast, no filter. In Paradise, a show about anything and everything. We can two friends. One is straight and the other super duper black and gay babies. Guys, we're back with a familiar face. You've seen this person before. Um, we're going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

There we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:59

Alright. So, one year later, I'm going to boom.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Rock is a good one. No, no, we're going to enjoy it in parliamentary. It's also full different. But see, I enjoy it. But we conversar about in-depth topic. So I'm enjoying it.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

So what is the difference more with the minister and the parliamentary difference more grand?

SPEAKER_01 2:47

So full day of the boy, but at tardi, a nice stop. And on a professional level, we are working on this work research. So we can say the difference is grand.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Always something going on. Damn. Okay, so what is the minister?

SPEAKER_01 3:27

If you have to look back at the persona that comes to pass. So, what do you have a minister? It is working and we enjoy it about. So, we're going to purpose in the cases, I work for the parliament to contribute and forward the area of justice and social for the salute mental. But talk for the parliament works to contribute, but it's not by the land. So, we said honestly, we're not missing out. No, it's not like that. We can explica.

SPEAKER_02 4:09

That's what he said. Okay, translation is fast and then we'll be doing starting. That's what he says.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

I was gonna think it's very similar. Like, can I be like, I'm a mess with the what I could do with the other hand, you can full sketch, zero time miss. Damn, bro. Nah, but it uh um publico like if freedom could be must tranquilo, but you and I just laid back.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 4:46

Fuck me, address it.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

So we're gonna have been coming.

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 5:11

Clark, baby girl. You know what?

SPEAKER_01 5:13

You know what she did just there?

SPEAKER_04 5:14

Like a minister was you.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

She can just be like, she can do a guilt to like, mm-hmm, can we be so?

SPEAKER_01 5:22

No, but it was a moment that it's a reality check. It's a reality check, but we are quantum sacrifice. We enjoying it in Parliament, and obviously, we can actually enjoy it. Yeah, must be able to.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Well, we're back women as a chance every year.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

So it is the political way. So if the next election and the opportunity being assuming responsibility. No, no, but you can see it's a home basis. So we put back then functionality.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

But what is different?

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Priority is familiar and the minister consuming food, and secondary, you, family, like friends, like, at the end of the day, no matter what, no matter what, we look at the problem. And we have to have a discipline, it prioritizes. So, standard, I'm going to use it. And so, after the time, no, but it's different.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

It's a pressure because you have to prove yourself to your island and to handle the power to responsibility. The high expectations, Pablo. I can see my own, pero me think possible. The purpose is bigger than just me and to nos tour. Yeah, it's uh it's a tough, tough thing.

Role Priorities And Public Pressure

SPEAKER_04 7:26

People make it worse. And over like, damn, like, my term and that's bad. I'm being a little exaggerant, but. Damn.

SPEAKER_03 7:45

So, pregunta on as a parliamentary, since this is your new role, but uh embracing it, but enjoying it, the focus is the most grandiose parliamentary. As powerful as a minister. So, what is the biggest focus of unparalleled and it's not a good thing?

SPEAKER_01 8:12

But it's great and kontrolla. Because we're just kontroller, but proposition. And it's important trataments of the presupposter, for example, but motion for all the part of the salute mental and part social. For the parliamentary in opposition, met name, to do an apportion. So it's many yeah, it's a topic that we have to care about the parliament is attention to us. We have to get to know the discussion of rich and supervision financier, it is research. And yeah, the part of the salute mentality is attached to me. Because for the band for the department, we are meeting stakeholders and regularly, and so we have necessity.

SPEAKER_04 9:24

It's a parliamentary.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

And we have positive contribution. But the other band, but suggestions and connotation. It's important to say that other political style, obviously. But for us to have opposition, but we create a break. So we don't look at that. It's the reality.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

So, just for the people watching, we can put a request and what DJ.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

See, a reichswed basically finances, not really supervision financier, but Turkish toach, because we're doing Hulanda. Let's turn it.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Like, at the end of the day, we have a final say.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Exactly. There's a late work that we are local, which is financially and the ultimate Hulanda. And so we don't have to say peligroso, and dying. We don't have a word he's concreted that we can pass by the Hulanda can affect, but we're not going to be able to pandemia, and we have, but we have conditions, and we don't have to be fiancing. An bad example: the part of the recording of the salute and the salubridge public, we have 60 million records, and we'll affect the placa. And if we have the último, we can say. Another example is the moment that we accountable the salary of the moment that we do back, we will have the contract, and we don't know what. But we have to say, but we have financial back in the world. And so we don't have the approbation. And so it is the ultimate. Yeah, but everything has to do with finance at the end of the day. Very true. Everything.

SPEAKER_03 12:14

Okay, but let's just pap ya unko's hooky. We're talking if we're running a business, kuturasakina. Who kung nos put expect Hulanda Bisa nos mane anke wait in abuse anki? And to nos nothing ni ung yar reckoning for so long. I don't know kick around capable saying, like, I'm in a support, and the area was by DCD by Hasi full on auto cost, and we don't know nothing ung yarreken now. Well, two plata akabin, it's a bike nine, this was uh me. If I was Holanda, I mean they just do not so saying unto both area. No, do you just saying I'm thinking back? Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

That's a good point of view.

SPEAKER_03 13:07

I have to have the last say, because you're clearly incapable of running on your own.

SPEAKER_04 13:11

Because they could they could show you we're gonna do this, this, and this. But uh, how can you guarantee that's gonna go that way? Like, hey, what's up, we'll give it to you, but it's okay. But I mean, I think it should be like a like a like a like a boardroom.

SPEAKER_03 13:33

The problem with that is that not that's a problem, but I'm saying like the long-term effect of this going on for so long, taku Hulanda taku, awoki, kuboso etaba asina. Like, y'all have not proven before this who y'all are capable of handling placa.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

No, but that that's where I disagree. Okay, let's talk about it. Of course. And we have a history of finances of pay, not a default, in America, and Hulanda. So we have Hulanda. For example, we have 25, so honestly, that's off the table. It's an argument valid. We have Hulanda work, there's not a underlying requirement, and we have other types of accordance, entreat, and we have financially, we have to do it. And as a matter of fact, we have a ultimate party to appropriate in 2019. We have to enter the recounter, and we're going to have it. So, what we try to have to be a part of finances, we are not able to do it. We have interesting to promote there's a discussion between particular and political financial payroom. Minister Geoffrey Wever 26 along Luna, there's a presupposition of projektion for the finances of the pay, and 2030. In 2030, then projects surplus projecta uncreasing economics, because we're not discussion about the institution financier. You can see that the government. So, one would say: the opposition can be: no, it's not better. No, it's better. Actually, I agree with that. Now we're 2030, we're 50%. So we're putting in the work already. And so it's not important as you know, we pensa more orgos. So we pensa, and we're not seeing what we pensa this.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

And then we're there's a money making machine. Like, why aren't we financing our own things? Exactly. Like we make a lot of money per year.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Yes.

Dutch Oversight And Financial Dependence

SPEAKER_04 16:45

So why are we borrowing? When we were the plague we got you. We're gonna go.

SPEAKER_01 16:58

So we could not have sufficient can we responsible sufficient as arroba to see what we have limited. So if we need help, we will ayut. But we don't care about imponer all about the pace, just. And what we have sufficient examples in the past and correct as we are, we don't care about it and we have another form but we can do the authority that we have in Turkey's, and we have voluntarily, it's simply not.

SPEAKER_04 18:03

No, Hulanda is saying financially.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

If we are saying there's a company that promised, for example, to enter presupposition, and we are Hulanda, we're not Hulanda. We are appropriate, and we are in the parliament. There are the constitution, we are the campaign. If we are with the approval of the Holland, let's explain more detailedly, we're in the parliament to the parliamentary, where we have a presupposition, we have 10 million enseignance. And we have a command, an amendment to allocate 10 million flowering for enseignance. So we have to approach, we're going to execute. If Hulanda is not 10 million enseignance, we're not going to be back, yeah. Exactly, exactly. But I'm not going to prepare, I'm not preparing with consequences. But if you don't have an example concret, you can score 60 million celebrity public, and we have an idea and we have autority and last year, yeah. You're governor where we are 9 million kilometers.

SPEAKER_04 19:43

They'll make decisions based on what's in their best interest.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

So, first things first. See, great, pero pasabra ekoski no ting un record rebay. Kung Ami atrobe, kun Ami Sako, eko water paga ku placa di mafia. Okay, make sure who meeting you say. Kong Hulanda Sako is saying that boson, no no Aruba, nothing. The next argument, yes, it's an Aruba problem. Pero Aruba involving full echoes keep us nothing transparency, nothing money unconscious. Guess what I pass? The sake of the updates, this ni kuba usa pueblo yarkering, at least, hey, now well, Hulanda, nota into that, no sake, this is how our money was managed.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

That is also not the case.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

We have console positive. Okay, we're explicitly. Yes. So we need to monitor the sake, it's a problem. Nos escuchamos waiver ultimamente ainda orgulho. Rating agencies, IMA, Fetch, Moods, numa ropa. It's parabéns, nous sommes sereinos. So, essayez de servir une preocupação. And the band is saying un poder judicial bon. So, personally, we don't care about argument. Rating agencies that are pagan.

SPEAKER_03 22:10

And that's how it is.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Okay, but what we're talking about, what is the point? If we have strango, another pay is direction to decide? No. But the Hulanda is strictly, but we don't have a discussion with Inglaterra, Mr. Hulanda, or France.

SPEAKER_03 22:38

The difference is the Hulanda France and the people. No, but we don't pay.

Sovereignty, Ratings, And Interest Rates

SPEAKER_01 22:43

No, but the Hulanda, no? It's not supposed to be. Suppose that's what I expect? So we have a question. So we have to press the money? No, we're not going to press the money. No, no, no. And so it's a big point because it's a misconception. Look what we are basically, there's a lay that we have an arregling to pay back a day for the plaque that we have to do. No, it's placard, so we have interest massive. So we have interest. So we have interest of 3.1%, and we have 6.9%. And it's interesting, but we have to do it. No, no. Okay. In the moment that Hulanda, in the pandemic, a parliamentary entry, a parliamentary VVD. Coming in. And so it is letters. It's open sources. You read it, I don't know where you're going to be able to do it. No, but it is important because you don't have to believe me. Do your own research.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

Sorry, president, correct, correct.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

We have a straff rank. That's why we're paying 6.9%. And the moment the firma is negotiating, we are 5.1, we are 3.0, we are 5.1. If we have 3, and if it's back, it is back. But we don't have surplus. So we don't care about the placa, it is more peligrosous to the best and the region. If we see some opportunities and we want to invest, we're saying so dicta not the situation financier, but we're dictating the manner that we can see the pay. Let me do an example. For the industry, but we have commerciant. We have the inflation that we cause, etc.

SPEAKER_04 26:36

And we pray the product.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Exactly. Not apparently, we want to have a pest. We have to have a pest. So we have to be manner awards and premier. We spore the ultimate. Obviously, we have irresponsible, stakeholders, we have direct financial, we have belasting Minister waiver, so it will present the commercial, and we have to say that Hulanda has the ultimate say, we will have salary, we will work with investments, and we have to DC and Hulanda has the ultimate power. If Hulanda can be able to say, but we're not. Because Hulanda is, but we have to say, Hulanda has the ultimate lay, it is present. So it's part of this peligroso. And it is a hand and practice. And it's less sexy by discussing the party hurricane. Look at this having spare time of working, we're going to consult with different professor. It is professor that has a part of what has been and more. So they're basically violating statutes. So that's violate. And so this is a discussion that is fundamental to us. And I'm just interested in the honesty.

Transparency, Letters, And Missed Dialogues

SPEAKER_04 28:41

Is it the first time somebody actually broke it down? So whatever percent? And so, whatever, and they buy back for 3%. So let me put is it worth giving away our freedom 3% A? Maybe it's it's beneficial for like two, three years, and then you know what I mean? Like you invest.

SPEAKER_03 29:07

And I get what you're saying, and I agree with you. I just feel like this is where it's a hodido ku no, you can't do it. All of you. This is where I feel it's transparent transparent kueblo. I feel like people are compromised, we should have been working on different pillars pa make sure. Um pillar, bang bamboos ka mass man, mass de beautify Aruba. So okay, wow, cause the plank the take on the massabunita walking the beach, pero We can't we can't it's not producing money. It's not producing money. Exactly. Or what should we do next?

SPEAKER_04 30:16

What's a country a walkie could be presidents with the Uruguay of Uncoming?

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Salvador.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

Like Vogue Hong Bro, the committee, I get a lot of people who are not going to be a country that full di lande, Yung David, and that they're like, it's almost like a dictatorship, but a positive dictatorship. Yeah. There is legitimate. He just recently said like we're giving free education or to some people, and by next year, thousands of kids are getting free scholarships to university. So equal like education for everybody. I'm like, sorry, but it's a very important thing. I'm all for the kid size. Okay, guys, I'm not being common, but six percent, and to play.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 31:27

Okay, you know what? I won't ask A. I would ask you this. Boom. Bang, bang, bang this I'm pro to my essays. If that means freedom, so I mean nunka one could have been exactly Hamax. Okay, man, I'm shanging percent pays. Pero I feel like a plan trust the a okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is a surplus.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

Yeah, but first things first, permit me. Basically, elections not make sense. So, DCD but turko it.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

What's the point of elections?

Elections, Policy Limits, And Public Trust

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Yeah, what's the point of elections? So that the concept is argument for funding. And we see the argue that we're going to go away or no, but not fact now do you have 120 florin, do? But no, but not to have a decision to do it. So we have an example of a regular part of loan belasting, and comes to belasting where you have to come to the carter. That's debatable. But many words are back in public. We have plans and plans. But it's not, we don't want to pay blasting basically for kiss. And we said honestly, I'm not political for us. If 10 or 50 minutes in political must, I can vote as well, but I'm going to have a share by representing me. I'm going to have a shark for a decision. And we can depend on a guy that has to execute. And obviously, my program is up for debate, simple. But that's the beauty of it. We can just conversate. But there's a full discussion, when we have Hulanda, election, passing election. And obviously, we have to say the program of particular Aruba, political notes and relationships. There's a political political intervista, but we can have a pain in the Caribbean in this program. We have nothing, but we do have an input and it's important sufficient to letters. And the question is: we can be personal by defending our direction, we have different professors.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

We can't go.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

But transparence lamentation. A war as we speak not a suficiente transparent and reality parti de koalition, pero we are ervaren de suficiente transparence. But Evelyn an entregamos carta na gobierno abase de ley, the landsforden openbarheid and besture, but in base of a ley, we exigente a document. But simply, we are in the sala de Parlamento and not doing. So we put a carta enzage, and we have a cartage and referi now a cartable receiving. And we ask, for example, carta es importante para isso. Important being and that was an LNG joke.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

Reverse one.

SPEAKER_01 36:43

And also, transparency, we'll go by the parliament, we'll know about the sindicato. For all the topics, again, what are part of the cohoff to tempo de pandemia? But it's a sindicato. He invited two leaders who are political, and to film leader politik, that are party and parliament, and leader political who are department. Hey guys, let's unite brainstorming. It's a discussion national. We can start hours and autonomia, expression of the world, the moment that we have, etc. And so we were saying lamentablemente nothing on 4 July. And it's interessant to explicit we try to reunion with not public to the sale of the parliament to the parliament. The ministry on 4 July 2025, again, we have this on paper. It's promoted to promote whatever to Hollande is parliament. So it was again Augustus, and the community of Augustus, we negotiate the nivel political. It was been back to transparent. And it is the 28 Augustus, we had to take us and Reichsminister in Hulanda to appropriate a lay for the thing to process. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 39:04

And it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Scandalous! Isn't that like against the law? So contest based on that. Like some motives by being back to the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

And guys, with some chance, not a war as we speak, but we want more. Simple question. No, but we're not and again. I'm just around. We don't have a roba. Not nos so we're going to ask Mike Demonarian political to mess, but there are sindicato and possession paper. Now just and carta that we're against this. In bon dokument, financier and economic, and this is not good for us. But we somewhat political firma. So we are most particular, hey guys. This is not good for us. Let's agree. We're not disagreeing. But it's fundamental, we're not going to around. Here we go, you can tell you. We are yung elogious. This is way too important. We agree, we can stop the sake, we can go back to the drawing table.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Nothing is on the drawing board. And states are a problem that we can care why can't you have a pro is actually?

SPEAKER_01 41:41

So we have sent it, it's AVP and future. But verbally, the future is AVP, this parliamentary AVP is.

SPEAKER_03 42:09

Oh really? Yes. Oh, I would love to know any perspective.

SPEAKER_04 42:18

Well he's coming on the show. But he's he's uh I'm thinking about ministers right now.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

Oh, okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

But he thing thing is.

SPEAKER_04 42:40

Like the conversation, I also have tour minister political. Why not just podcast? But when there's a show on camera, television about a part of the conversation. Like the conocer. Like just dumb is papi the mana, you know, you can palapy like make it make it easy. Like, hey guys, like we have Marco Tambe. Like the commodity, um show on the dowers to paper. But actually, it was a dosing. It's full public, like a discussion, it doesn't employ the agriculture, I'm agree with dollars, or with agriculture.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

But I'm not sure what you're doing.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Yes. It's not the most sexiest topic, but we try to make it as entertaining and spinning as possible.

SPEAKER_03 44:14

So if you can document very interesting because it's your life, it's your life.

SPEAKER_04 44:18

But like if we can if we can control the conversation, I mean like, because you know how we do this, like if you give us a political answer, we're gonna call you out. Exactly. I'm gonna just parliamentary now, just start on freaking podcast show or parliamentary, and Facebook, YouTube. I don't give a fuck. If you want to talk about transparency, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

So that's just my take. I'm gonna be. Drop it down, not facts. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:43

That was great.

SPEAKER_04 45:45

I mean the story. To be honest, I'm pretty convinced. I want to say, um, uh silver lining. But at this point, if we're giving away what we're what you're saying, I am definitely. So we're talking about we don't want to do more masterism, but now there's five new flights coming January. That's weekly. I might be wrong, guys. But we're talking we're talking about masterism, then why are we letting more flights come in? Yeah. So, not those minutes. You're two cents with Raka.

SPEAKER_03 46:45

Maybe like a 30 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 pa 20 minutes. Segments. Okay, so we have to do it. Correct. The e- the erecks we're gonna do.

Practical Transparency: Start A Public Pod

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Most simple titles, like, the consequences, the country option, yeah. What was in the dose order, the dose order is like a DS video. I mean, yeah, me not basically, but I get a full concept, like reach out, like explica, be transparent, have a show, have um before we have a question of the week, parliamentary of ministro sinda, shark demand concerning comments, but the list of comments, the comments on the hand, you are blah, blah, blah. Shark, like addressing public concerns, even having conversations within ministers and parliaments, at the end of the day, walk. So who cares about the papa?

SPEAKER_03 47:52

That's why we're doing it like the professional way. Again, love or hate her, but let me just cut up the town, check in.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

Okay, my papa is a good idea. No, no, so means.

SPEAKER_03 48:13

It's so fucking simple. Correct. It's a legit. Every politician should be doing this. Like it's crazy when you're not based on it.

SPEAKER_01 48:33

Seriously, it's much important topic and ignite equity.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

But if this is so important, but the scene is important to try un video at least of but the video you can start that now.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Or make a pass. Yeah, I throw it, no, it's not an area, but there's an idea where we need to do the thing, style that is information about the topic, tour, exactly what you will tune in and demand for that.

SPEAKER_04 49:19

Okay, so we have shit.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

I feel it. Hope you can see the Facebook page of Rocco, Facebook page of Shumara.

SPEAKER_04 49:43

It's a reminder.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

No, no, no. But we'll type of program as well. Okay, boom. I believe.

SPEAKER_04 50:04

Okay, boom.

SPEAKER_01 50:05

Perfect, perfect. Yes, I will, definitely. Look around. We do this. No, no, we're going to be able to do it. You have to do something. Um, ridiculous.

SPEAKER_04 50:25

Well, I think that's a good thing. Sorry guys. Do you want to stream the perguntable over the cooking on the hand of the other?

SPEAKER_01 50:34

Okay, I will. No, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 50:41

I'm not saying that's a good thing. This is the most I've I've I've learned about fully suited.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

Because you would never be interested this long.

SPEAKER_04 50:51

No, I'm I'm honestly very invested. So the perspective, it's great. Like, ah no, so red tips that we already do have already.

SPEAKER_01 51:13

But it's important to say, it's not automatically. But there are different ways that we have 3 ans, it's 1. So 5, it's 2. It's not the same. Literally, we have to do it. The only man is different, but we have to say, 20 pounds, and 40 pounds, we have to agree. But we have to be a government, this is good for a room, and when we have 30 pounds, we have a realistic, and we have to say, but it's not assigned. If we have to say, it's letter, because the minister of the petition of the Minister of Hulanda, and the Minister of Hulanda to the agenda of the Minister of the Governor of Hulanda, and the government of the Hulanda to DC. Because if we have according to the decision, we have different appellate, and we have a grown up and appeal to the government of the Hulanda. It makes no sense, literally. What is it?

SPEAKER_04 52:50

This is not a good thing.

Justice Projects, Prisons, And Procurement

SPEAKER_01 52:55

Yeah, exactly. But it's a big nothing else. But there are national tank parallel cool reina, which is rather advised. And so you are elay national parliament. But you can make the lay. But if you say we're speaking about the Hulanda discipline, correctly. This process works or ley at the parliament of the room, or Hulanda doesn't console, and the Radio State, and the Parliament, and the Hulanda and Testana, and you are na Hulanda, and we try to vote, and vote. This is basically exactly on the financial level. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

I mean, on everything, everything is finance. Everything is finance, yeah. So you're basically just losing it. Yeah, yeah. Because you don't have a say so at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_04 54:26

It's more of a political way to do it. Instead of like and I was officially black and white. Like stupid. Oh my god, dude.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 54:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Okay, what about this?

SPEAKER_05 54:58

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 54:59

But when the stamp keeper, what about this? So he sharked the supergunday of follow-up questions. There's some some moments with the cash and say, oh, fuck, I'm stuck on the walk. I'm just like surprised. This is the most information I've received. Right now, I'm not a big fan of a Catasina. This is one side of the story. It's one side of the story.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Or I think Kuba has no research. Yes. Let's say the documents are there.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

Yeah, but we have to.

SPEAKER_03 55:54

I mean, if we're doing this, you kinda have to like get into it, you know? And what it's what is it to just copy paste that shit, put it in chat GPT and be chat GPT like that. Hey, break it down. Break the shit down for me.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

It's not that hard. Like, let's let's just be for real for a hot second. Pero um okay, I think we can wrap this up now for like a hot second.

SPEAKER_04 56:12

No, sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:15

It's another good. Okay, pero um before we went into this part, but I mentioned Parlamento, wow, this was how long ago we started with that part. But I remember it. But I mention you've been filing and doing all this good stuff. So, what are like those files who are you're proud of it so far?

SPEAKER_01 56:37

You know what appropriate. So, unmotion who is important, we have un presupuesto. And there are presupuesto a extra placa aloca para el sector social. Seis fundations specific: 3 miljone floring para seis fundations. Anton is presupuesto, or tratemos un motion despoirs que nos reunions fundation for necessity to visa, we have tempo a tea ainda, and indicar sim, nos intrigar un motion para 3 miljone floring extra. Så fundation plan and the fundation contra violenza relationnel saching junta respectami. The seems part of the abuse of salut mental drogadiktion. Lamentablemente no ahaya, but it's work in progress. But we don't put the dragon. I feel yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:08

Dangi, it's linked to a turtle. And anything could not pick up the CGI of Turkos at the Turk Turkos.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

We a syntax Minister Dowers and Minister Mervin Vejras. Prometheus over modifized. One on one sinta. Sjördawers who are consequences. There are office age when you are ordners, etc. Obviously, too, information practically documentaries saying direct financia of bid, no more up, but the dossiers are lopen. And we have a notate and this note is a copy of it.

SPEAKER_04 59:13

You never know.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

You have to look out for yourself.

SPEAKER_04 59:16

I told you, I left a note, here it is. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

We will not have attached, an overdraft's note. And we say we need a copy of my lamentably cool. We don't think we have an award document in the project. And we have a reactionary, I mean, no, if we don't see this project, that's your choice. I respect that, but don't say that I didn't inform you. So we have tour information at the time. Two sample, and it's so things have to. Keep moving. Keep moving, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:02

But the thing the economy is picking uncourse and to see it or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

My amigo 24 hours. But I don't mind. It's something we can atraje. Lamentablemente. So we mentioned that. But the truth is, we're not going to finalize it. It's a very good thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

It's okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

But it's the headline readers, not actually the container.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:21

Incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

But hey, it's okay. But we're going to be able to do it. Hey, if see elogi dollars, I don't care, man. It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:43

Everything has been done.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:45

Okay, so I'm going to put the mercy of nothing. You know what I mean? But we wake it. So basic segment, yes. Okay? Down, but it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:19

Did I predict that?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:20

You did. You did say that. I did. I did. I did.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

He really gave you an answer.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:24

You really did say that. No, you didn't tell me that. Yeah. No, he when I asked him for his question, he was like, okay, ask him this. But he was like, he's probably gonna answer you. So I was like, no, I'm not gonna fuck with that. I'm still gonna ask.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

But yeah. And I am going to go. So it's gonna explicitly, but no offense. No, no, but we can explicitly boom. But a professional city, we abo critical amount of 4 a.m. We don't have anything, actually we criticism and work. Because we have a corpse chef, a corpse chef is a work. We are a director of the fada, a director of the state of the house. But we criticism, but actually we are criticizing a professional ayana.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:30

So the mention over the prison, the jail that Papa Aya Basal, we could be overhand noble.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:41

And then we are originally planning, it takes like 80 million, because we opened that like 8 años.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:00

But you know like 8 años, 8 años, and the 4 años, I think we have to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

But we contest the present 2025 that the government contests, we want to see the future AFP and Minister. Infrastructure-wise, yes, I agree. We are working. But the program is working. Because it's what we have to fact, but we have contract somewhere firma with Hulanda, because Hulanda appropriate and financia for a business case, where we have care and 40 of the 14 mil florin of the euros for the cabinet, but basically, we have to finance full party and send us to papa. And so, if we have a part of the CGC, it's a company international because we try a business case and we will have a finance.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

May I ask a question about a part of it because this is also a huge investment. Okay. Business wise, we do all of this. Great. Ki function, a benefit. Like, are we thinking like that man, ah, okay, well, order thing equiya akin traction, kuporta something else, ku porta a person, ng poor, poor water. Like, is that part of the plan?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:27

Maybe like a cleaning crew, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

But I don't know, but is there like a plan that's like yes, it is infrastructure? Depending on the infrastructure, we're going to have a project, and it's a technological time, but it's important. Stadion Prospero Trinidad detected full stadion because you have a baby. And we have a workplace. We have different projects. Yes, yes, yes. And we have a lot of people. No, no, you're an email address, but a mail, but PDF, for example. And so you have a transitable and what cost.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:32

And we have a movie. Yeah, they make them in Kia. And they say like some big ones.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

That's how Kia makes money? Because I but I mentioned like, I'm like, wait, Kia makes money?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:50

Yeah. It's very small things. But if we're gonna take the tantum, make it self-sufficient. Or you best get out your ass out and do something early morning, get out your job, traha, ocho hour, it is by them sell back. Like, make it worth the while at least. Bring it on.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

It would be nice. And of those patrouillas before we limpy. Point has it limpy jumpsuit, like, hey, get the kiko.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

Hey Mikey, hey.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:32

I'll see you in a few years. But at least a full. And the kayan rond, now the scene constant.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:40

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:41

And then the area was a safe plaque. That's like that's like I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:49

Are you trying to sali? But regular atmosphere depends.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:27

So, just reactionary was a comment.

Deterrence, Evidence, And Fair Policing

SPEAKER_03 1:09:35

Oh, no, I don't think you're gonna put it. Oh yeah, of course. Oh my god. I'll be shopping around and be like, going on ki, I love it. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:54

Everything is so like almost improvise on the spot.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:01

Okay, so beloved at mark. Okay. So, we have to go to the presentation on the abisa who introduced body cams and dash cam for police, and we can personal this.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:36

It's like it's a topic of a war of politica and cases, hoops and lamentable topics who are great. One could discuss the motivation. But there are facts. Facts that body camps and award for him is 2022 of the 2023, and body camps that award complaints, two body camps to a roba. Look at this to a camera police and not bodycamps that compared, but procedure that we're mistaken. So to say award corpse for share of being parliament at the table, have a full explication. A pilot of award after you were not rolling out in full care police. Bodhicamp is the promotion of the syndicate police time for introduction. I'm thinking about it, but the final day it's affecting a police message. I think it's not full motivation perfected correctly. In place, or a police and the moment you can back, we have building aki. So it's a privacy time to end. Just a protocol in place. We can have cameras or back, we have a pilot with different districts.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:29

But wouldn't that have been just saying okay, just asking? Wouldn't that have been smarter if you have to procedures now or even computer a camera now?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:42

Na moment we have a spacious financier. I'm personal responsable, so we are basically a camera project around the arrubatame. But misora nos compra a camera. It's like buying wholesale.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:55

Okay, okay. That's the same. But just buying bulk of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

Yeah. I'm not taking a bison-body camera by flacklows. Absolutely. Un projekta, por exemplo, a wak realisab so we can hoppy off-added value. But polis per finale diet, Sudan or computer and out of the police, creo you a minute. It is not allowed ainda. Lamentablemente. We're going to say SBRAD in full reino for technologia. But no one was finalized.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:03

I think Dower said something about it yesterday. The kind of camera bong privacy pa private sector.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:12

And they're working on the illegal actually pa angle thing is body camps and walking a thing now. It's not by law. Because it's kind of illegal scandalous running around walking as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:27

I mean, I'm labib saying, well, I'm going to be able to know what I'm saying. But if you know that and your minister does it, then why is it still?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:33

No, because thing ting ungase legal pa ku um sam, yeah. No, no, but but that there is a legal basis. So obviously, we can use the compra. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:50

I understand this.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:53

Okay, we're responsive personality. No, 50, we can't be able to lay and aruba. Basically, we have legal time cameras around Aruba, we have to see people who are police imagining.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:22

Can I ask this as well? It's fair enough to say that when this is out, should be publicized. Yes, yes, body cams. I think it's super important and misrepriming.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:44

Correct. Corpchefing, it's a very important thing. Yes. Before the camera wrong, we can see a board on different camera, we can buy an area where you can do the camera. And so yeah, then it's up to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:24

I did tell you, so sorry.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:25

Right there.

Cannabis, Kids, And Community Programs

SPEAKER_04 1:16:25

Like, no, but it can't say that important thing. As in pa Sudano and Pa police. So my young police. The famous. I'm like, I mean, Mikasa contact the DM. He came with the canada. A police, I don't know, I parami. Yes, I was t me telephone. But I don't tell me that the discovery in the auto and then meeting my carter me man, and then we're going to get a little bit of a sea compensando. Police, police parameter, but I'm telephone the man, so we do not boot. I'm like, no, my wapma or pasta minimum wabo. And then we think the fuck. He out this idea, hey, or please parameters put the camera above and just comes a grabo. And though I feel like it's the only way I can protect myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:57

The proof is in the camera. A malo taku you lose also the human side of it. Like by all means, okay, just go ahead. Do not just on that warning or to just buy.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:18

See it based on the crime.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:23

If we're doing something and we're running based off of Leippa Unglepa tour shit type shit, then the cameras is the cameras is on Leipurband.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:34

Again, not that I'm trying to be helpfully that will only happen if the cop goes and be like, hey, listen, camera. Nobody will ever know.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:47

I don't know if that's how it works, but we don't know what the protocol is for what they do with okay, but okay, now what do you do on a daily how you can do it?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:58

No, delete it, but if you don't bring it up, then they don't have a reason to go after the lady that got pulled over. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:10

I feel like there's a lot of different human things that happen. And talk well, visa ki book, hopi bong police and they do human things for people situations where it's like, hey, ankle.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:23

No, no, but the police are not going to be able to do this. No, no, it's a discretionary bevoxatic authority discretionary police. By law, it's saying that we have a camera, the mask, but follow the rules. Ah, as in the case, you're saying it from a police perspective.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:57

Like, hey, like it's like hey, hello. But then that law protects the cops. A lot of DCD, you don't need a warning and BSD. But if you don't keep the visa, hey, flipping the.

unknown 1:20:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:14

Let's also jump on while we're on this topic: body cams. What are what are your your thoughts on this case Aiden on Vorbeeld in that situation? Like unbody camp but a syntico, it would have even gone that far, or it's important in no longer I mean we can't say that walking as we'll be saying, but it's difficult to spekulat, details, but no, the bodycam don't evita incident.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:50

We at the most, the investigation is faster, but we have fascist. Angi, we have cameras and two community, we can have the infestigation, but we can have a bodycam and infestigation material to investigation. But if you want to evita no. And investigation of the body cams, co eighteen effect by a deterrent effect. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:35

Just both parties are like, hey, man, I'm doing the camera.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:40

And so research and mustrake complaints out of the police are much more hoops. But then we have a guy with the police. And if you have a body cam, then we can enter the false.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:14

But the bunga is a citizen, or police time to go. Correct. It's both ends. It's good. It dislikes whoever acts bad, sorry that you're on camera. Exactly. Can the camera. Can't the camera.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:30

Yeah. I'll come ex-minister di justicia. Keep a big pensamento over the ekas?

Mental Health Gaps And Coverage

SPEAKER_01 1:22:38

It's much contest political, but it's like nothing unganado de caso. It's super lamentable. Everybody loses. Yes, yes. So it's a family, but we're not going to be able to do it. But I'm involved because it's crazy, it's a turupa everybody involved.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:12

Like, nota wake up it's not that simple.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:18

I mean, at the end of the day, it's supposed to be casually still going on. Yes. Whatever the ending is, that's the ending. Yes.

unknown 1:23:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:35

It's fastioso, man. No, it's a fastioso.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:43

This is something the sticking hunto.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:48

Ah, okay. Magiru to miriba cannabis.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

On to the next.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:59

Okay, okay. I see the financial part of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:08

So dollars, yeah, no, me to meet eye to eye with shirt to topics.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:11

But I mean doubles the country gives us the right. I was like, anybody tell me the damn kids? Like, fuck them kids. Respectfully, like, fuck them kids. So, sticking hunt to what are the updates? You talked about it a lot. Keep the updates in react like, are you still involved?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:47

I'm involved as a zorg pa making me as informa. Super proud, super proud the Simon Trust Lomba workout. Organiza diferentes session. Topic is anti-bullying hobby. This is content safe as a project and workout. The family may ratom bus para adikta ambulante. Talar and manera thing, bogi puebla tora, pero brindan echt allgota. Personan por baja, n'a communta, la espa humana. Es saket, un projekto nowy 3 miljon floring lo ajuda. Pero we comprend via private sector. We are secret sacing parallel fada, family planet, stichting junto. I'm a huge fan that you are maniera. So, so stichting junto saw that.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

Okay, there's nothing in the book. That's good. I want to like talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:10

Um I feel like I think we hear all the questions. Same length. Like, especially from expecting by a direction, it's almost the opposite of the concept. No, opposite, but from the direction, from the happy.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:49

No, I mean, we're going to be able to do it. And what is the election? Correct. But hopefully, information at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:22

So, we have to do this.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:26

As in this past year, based off of what we see.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:01

We don't give a fuck, they're looking for the thing. That's the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:11

We'll have to attack this sake, but we were initiative and we are intriguing nos fraction to incorporate mental health, then elite ACV. So the ACV, and we have the pensement to see, but we have a function before we have a sichting hount response to sense before the ACV.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:37

But now you can cap. That's what we talked about.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:46

Did that happen or not?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:49

Because what they could say mental health as the vapor.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:01

That's right, yeah. Okay. They took over the lighter, the lighter cases, the basis cages. And the heavier ones would go to the respaldo.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:13

It's not it's not easy. Like, I never really talked about this. But I mean with you, I have to do it. Like a podcast, hey, it takes a mental fucking toll. Like TV, again, guys. Oh shit, what's up? Under pressure. No, I'm it's not a comparison that just like commits suicide. Like, yeah, I get it. Like, see, what do you hand with the I'm not saying weak minded, but I'm not sure what's going on. I mean,

SPEAKER_03 1:30:00

Appeal the what I I'm like holy fuck man meeting bastard like um yeah willpower or like mental strength or whatever you want to call it I get it if I see the like therapisting responsibility private sector business like dude paging pa order it might be expensive but on the long run it uh but the thing that just 10 sessions doshin free at least like the the problem with that is also you have the people that are going through it financially so they can't they don't have that doshing flooding nan care nang echt care chain therapy sessions but then that's where as if it comes and then if it becomes part of it it could get covered now but like how many people already did it so the like this is happening on a daily I know but I again I'm I'm not aware of it I know that's I'm just saying I'm just saying like it's not I'm not aware there's more people that aren't aware of it either.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:06

Everybody's aware of monthly statistics the cookie registry could do ultimate memory content before Minister Mervyn White Raspberry Because 2030 stakeholders are involved and say S group SS, which is on board to schedule the baby. From the care we're gonna make it work in this sifra ng policial registrant but obviously um sticking on to registra but registra this for categories agreed fully agreed all right anything else we can add no I think I think we're good but good talking points because I need joffrey in this channel so I'm that hyped right now Joffrey but not saying I really want to know I'm really interested in some okay I think that's a pretty pakico thanks guys whenever Google said the information just reach out 100% WhatsApp in to the case other I November Sigurd. No, so he's uh so he's the I will go to Pasano then Uly of United and still like yo me updates the home pressure opposition Turkey I'm joining upon the spot Dibia welcome to the show hey that's how we do it man but anything sorry any information anytime yes then the information I have to watch this back 48 it's on camera right now they're gonna see it so if you're watching it to political politics but we have to professional but we are professor and analyze political autonomy.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:38

Because professor these are the facts timeline because you can always say at least I was never the one though I guess right history I told you also that's the sweetest part I love to tell people about this I told you it's gonna happen you didn't listen but hey I'm not always right but I'm early tomorrow all right Manson um showing yes waterboy from my hour so I'm gonna definitely see you fucking hope information challenge to the auto political subscribing channels the first one if you gotta wait if you want to just be the first or second one then you're good anyways man um stop peace bye