Otmar Oduber: akusashon sin prueba, Airbnb, reforma di BBO | EP 221

We press Otmar on accusations, courts, and the cost of politicized prosecution while mapping concrete fixes for housing and tourism. The conversation stays blunt: tax short stays at the source, reform BBO’s drag, and put principle ahead of party.

• stepping back from parliament to fight charges and protect due process
• why allegations without proof drain taxpayers and trust
• housing squeeze, land prices, and stalled permits
• Airbnb leakage and platform-level tax collection
• zoning, safety standards, and hospitality upskilling
• legal pathways for workers and fair contribution
• BBO reform to end cumulative burden
• tourism vision, capacity planning, and leadership gaps
• campaign finance transparency and enforcement
• building a team of doers over party loyalty

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Transcript

Cold Open And Corruption Claims

SPEAKER_01 0:00

A lot of money got invested in media on it. Taxpayers.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

And a casa de mi major. Koi placa dengka fu at the ladron key outro. And finale diata kaba. And Otmar has like$3 million on an account in Panama,$5 million in Miami. Hit Sun was selling tereno for the minister. Nah, it's a disgrace. It's a disgrace. A total disgrace. New beautiful face. But same politics.

SPEAKER_03 1:06

Hey yo, what's up?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

I like how's this?

SPEAKER_03 1:11

No filter in Paradise, a show about anything and everything. Between two friends, you already know one is gay and the other one super duper straight. Wait. Let's go. I can't believe it. Oh my God. You fucking over. You just went into it. I was like, I wonder if you're gonna fall for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Fuck you for that one. Respectfully. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_03 1:33

I can't believe you're straight. I'm not straight, guys. I'm super duper black and gay.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 1:40

Yeah, when I said I was like, you just went right into it. That was great. Um guest talk about the Talib show and this during the election.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

But you be show? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Durant election, the promo election tambe.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

No, durant election. Oh, yeah. Durante campagne. That's what I meant. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

Wait, we had a this is our third episode? No, second one with him. We have Mr. Admar back on the show.

Stepping Back From Parliament

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Welcome back. Thank you. Thank you for the invitation. I love it. Thanks for inviting me and congratulations for your new studio. Thank you. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

So, kom bileta komma exploretar.

Prosecutors, Press, And Public Trust

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Parlamentar short term at decision. Oktober October 6. But, exakt un rat to enlace, but it can salar parlamentar. It's a personal decision. Jag hoppet personal. It cases by luona the 24. The casualty kontinua som minister public. Nu ska vi preparada, it is fantastic bons. Practically for the media feeling. We are happy the Minister Public. And we had decision to respect the organism. So we saw the minister or investigation. We have other political parliamentary as we condemn. And election in Parliament, the motive of what we have to say, we have participated, we need to respect our institutional, the system 1% for the Minister of Public No way. It's completely a mess, it's a disaster, it's a porker. And we care my position as member of the parliament to respect the function of member of the parliament and our political, I took my decision to sell for parliament at the case. Hopefully, in April, we are clear that intention we are talking about. If we were the Minister of Public, it's a disgrace. It's a disgrace, a total disgrace. I was reading press, we must have tour and we have fees and sushi controls during 5 hours. But I was so open on it. Thank you by the way. Naturally, most of those people for the political part of PPA durous in January. We are not content. And so we want to turn. But it's just the Minister of Public, guys.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

So basically, I remember during the time you were very confident to be sandwich, and nothing about me.

Court Dates, Votes, And Political Identity

SPEAKER_00 6:22

And I'm still like that. And so we can give a damn and seek by the people. They're not even in Aruba anymore. And so, I present the court, it's totally different. So a lot of money millions. Taxpayers' money, and hey, we are ready for it. Exactly. Instead of saying we spent millions and we said, or analysis, this can never happen in Holland. Never. During the 40 years, young minister, young ex-minister never persuade, in 27 years ago, initially an undersous control minister, you have 27, 40 hours in the world, I think we have to protect the minister, to protect the ex-minister, to protect the three community. By the way, it's protected in Europe. But the minister of the system is not a very strong.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

So it's so proof now that you can do it. Listen to me.

Loyalty To People Over Party

SPEAKER_00 8:16

No, Otmar has like$3 million on an account in Panama,$5 million in Miami. I know exactly what informant. That's a good thing. That's crazy. Hello, hello. But display. But I know where it's coming from. And I'm gonna take care of it. Believe, I'm gonna take care of it. And that's it, hey my friend. My lawyers do the job in the court. I'm doing my job out here. And I'm gonna go to the case. So I was in court, remember? I think the election was 6th of December and my court case 12 December. I waiting for January. And as a community identification with me, I'm affiliate, and injustice, but demonstrate I was right and vote on the lookout. So we have a talk show. Yeah, we vote for the criminal, but we condemn all that. And we have care of me, the six votes, the ultimate election. So people really believed in me and passed in the world. And the Minister of Public Biden Hoke Group, we have a decision to respect the function of parliamentary. I cannot be saying these things being a statement. But we have to say, it's just not right. I think it's time to do things right. And so we are seeing in the moment when the time is right, we will be back. Yes, Senator Edward Peters, my candidate number those. Well, the community is not a good thing. I'm a gun, so we can rectify the voice without a full time. Again, it's about principle. Do things right. Not sure we can leave me to the parliament to meet in court. So we need to be able to respect, or we will be back completely clean and doing the opportunity. Senhor Peters, by the way, I can say a fantastic. He's a great professional, he's a great human being, person, father of a family, he is ejemplar. He's doing a great job in Parliament.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

Never mind.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Okay, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Okay, so by the form of partying different partid nang poor, PPA, AVP. You did all of this. Basically, no considerable. What is it about you kicked in the Kubo and the trot? Nota import.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Loyalty to the people of Aruba, not loyalty to a party. You have to be loyal to your people. You have to be loyal to those who vote for you. Contrary to Islam, two decisions are basically a party that you have. No, it's about principle, it's about loyalty to your people. We have the those vote gather, we have a member of the AFP, but sample stent by principle. And you just jump, hey, then you have to make a decision. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 15:25

So there's only so much you can do. That's it. And trying to have conversations and then it's like being in a relationship, like saying that it's a kid that has better than that. It's not working out successfully.

Housing Crisis And Real Estate Prices

The Airbnb Problem And Lost Revenue

SPEAKER_00 15:45

I'll have a particular poor. There's a period of hope and hope you're like, but there's a period of kartico. Masali for the FPS, we can make political poor. So prepared poor, those are very happy. We spotted. It just is a nightmare start. Nightmare. Straight out, a political forte, durable in character. You imagine people know I like the community. But not been back. So we say we know that we're in the political. And then you have to go. Infierno grande, to attack. This is the recently, as many of the giveaway officially salt. You're don't restaurant. We were still in restaurant with my parents, we have said that we've been basically living. But we're organize to innovation. I had made the COVID or two years around the port, and I'm very organize. Hey, we saw the portable. Na 2023 finale 2023. We're saying, hey, I'm going back to politics. Uh oh. No, we don't need contests. We have a platform. We have a platform pace. And so we can buy just voice out and say, we have a particular political platform. Boy, a platform we have tracked after a particular political. We can see what we can see. Hey, not a particular way. Gustavo, and the leader of the party of PPA triumph. King knows PPA. We were 500 people in the glory. And we are going to look at political. We took PPA over practically the grave and this spirit. But I agree with the form of generation of PPA. And the rest is history.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

O sa, bo sa ki one of your it was probably one of your darkest times, but temporada di outside of politics, kubu chincha and all this good stuff. But politician. Yes, you have all that background history kaba, but it's a very important thing, orange economy, you were a worker, you were all of these things.

SPEAKER_03 21:09

Right now, Panos, the red tapes, the all of this, Kuba being back was okay, he got all that knowledge and that knowledge, plus he's coming back and other politicians, they have really good professions, but hopefully, it's not the same. I understand you have to work hard, but work within the firm of your practice of whatever, but they've never been in the field, they've never had it.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

So, the political salary to luna, no matter what, it's a good beneficial.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Unless we have really good investments and placard and to luna, then you can survive.

SPEAKER_01 22:08

And even that way, they'll probably come for you and be like, oh, you have money you saved here, and you have the money there.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

So, you go say, definitely, look, if you're saying full perspective, and perspective, everybody could receive back, and advantage.

Illegals, Taxes, And Hypocrisy

SPEAKER_00 22:33

But you have an advantage. But perspective, a combination of a sector private, there's more to give. You know, we have a political, but we have sufficient energy, knowledge and comprehension, understanding the cambio.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

So we have a focus on what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Wow. Um definitely infrastructure, um, vivienda nang, um, cases. What are you doing? No, take action. Two decisions. I don't care. But if you don't have a decision, make sure that you can pass. See, not a decision. Not a decision that you can go to. Ainda must have meant to be able to do it. But the department is deep. It's a disaster for the ultimate$5. Sorry, for the time. It's not a disaster. And we perhaps have families, but perjudicing industry, economy. Personal attendance, it's so simple to see the problem. But regla nan, um real estate price. Ridiculous. And so what is it? Damn, go beyond the costa, pass unlay. And home be if you're not a residence, but steam, steam, add they love to add a tax on the people.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

On the people. On the people.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

But we have to come up with cases, and we can't see negotiating. We all know that. And you are inexperienced of malinformation, looking to school, or go on. No, but if we have problems, tourists are hotel, and we have other accommodation, and we say, Stop other accommodation. Sorry, but we're not. I'm not going to get the ultimate. We can make a single other accommodation.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Always Airbnb Airbnbs.

Skills, English, And Hospitality Standards

SPEAKER_00 25:52

But we spend the mask, mentality. Now we have to with all due respect. No, um, a cube and see a guy. See, a cube is a kind, but then you have to have the placa. It's still the same. That's another thing. But the Airbnb, we're not going to control it, we can see zoning, we don't have casting, yes. But that's another discussion. Don't combine, you know, something like the other thing. Yeah, it looks like that. But my point is the real estate. And price real estate, but we'll stop on Rubiano. Because Biden, Airbnb, and those apartments. Give him a chance, why not? The American hotel. The problem is, and we have a dollar, but we have to put$3. Why? Because we spent one lunar, two lunar room, and just lunar and before. We don't have balancing. Hey, and that's the way. Whatever, 4% of overtrack, hey, American, Venezuelano, I'm going to compare 10%.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

How about a local F pack? This is a apartment and rent eight.

SPEAKER_00 27:40

So we can't have a lady F pack.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

Imagine one bedroom apartment, then the cura, just rent eight and two friends.

Regulation, Enforcement, And Fairness

SPEAKER_00 28:21

Full agree. But we have 40 years, there's no argument to be more. No, change it, guys. But we'll try to track Parliament. So we have an instrument and budget. We can see the system, a department, infrastructure. Again. No, no, no. No, but um, bone of money, you have to take decisions. And to take the right decisions. Not true. Airbnb is an alternative of establishment of lodging for tourists. Nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

It's true.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

But we have a hotel, hotel, and beach, right here, exactly. And housekeeping and all this good.

SPEAKER_03 30:13

100% clean my room, like they love it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

Go for it. Exactly. But in the case of the Airbnb, hey, we have the lodging. Tour Airbnb. If we have a camera one day, we will use lodging for the same. Yeah, we're going to say, not putting all inclusive mass. By the way, attack, but all the time. Thank God. Thank God. Okay? Airbnbs. Airbnbs. Kind of Airbnb. Other accommodations, including Airbnbs. We calculate 70 million florin to brand. How difficult can it be? But you have a business set in the lodging, they take it out, but you can just implement it, but you have Radix in the airport. So you know all the addresses. Guys, sorry, we have a fair share. 70 million. Just applicable. No, but you can just be saying, hey, we have to declare in January. We have a chance. No.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Everybody has to pay 70 million gilders on the street.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

It's crazy. It's unfair. It's crazy. It's whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

70 million that's going back like to the States or Venezuela or Canada.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

It's just there.

SPEAKER_03 32:19

I have I have some friends that own Airbnb's Canada. I'm like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Most of them.

Tax Burden And BBO Reform

SPEAKER_03 32:39

No, um, if you have lodging for herning, it's a lot of checklist. Like we think has to be at this standard.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

But if you can lodge for herning, and we have to do this, just 2%. So they cheat 5.5%. Or we have a negotiation. No, we have a lodging, and just 2%. But we can take action. And this is a very good thing. But you pay for it.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

So you are safe, but yung bon kaya, but you can safe. And that you want to come here and benefit from our progress.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Our progress for the last year. And crazy. Okay, but 15,000, 20,000 illegals na ruba in dokumenta. Okay, we have to come up. Everywhere bro. Everywhere. If personal, we don't pay scroll for now, but we're going to scroll for that, we don't have to pay asset fee, SVB, we pay belasting, 50 million. There and then. That we're paying. And this is two things.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

And then they have to pay hollow back a bunch of loans.

Building A Team And Political Renewal

SPEAKER_00 35:15

And so it's hypocrisy of the politics. So we have medida anterior. No, eh? And good thing. Good thing. But legalise. So let's be just honest on that one. Airbnb. Wow. It's just something you have to tackle. By by by cheat the system. And they cheated the system. The right way. The right way.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

But this is why nota uncommerciante. They don't look at the business side of it and to kompa money, and cook it the right way. Maybe say, What the fuck? Who does that?

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Okay, nga scucha PPA, a dispensation. Segunda, 6, 7 milk. Hey, close to look at my business. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

So they are walking.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

And it's gonna be close to the point is what we want to do. If you want an obligation of English, we'll put an obligation for the other.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

Hospitality is not a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Which is good, but no, we have to be able to do permission. But the next one will present course number, one course of English, and certification programs. And three hours evidence an error in the past, we have a paper of English. Exactly. But you can't say that.

Legal Safeguards And Due Process

SPEAKER_03 38:25

So we have to do this. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 39:17

No, we have stage. And we have to do it. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

Oh no, I mean back.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

But illegal because it's illegal. Does make sense. Whatsoever passes, not melting mess, and it's illegal. It's been working this long, but this way, but you can see that the infrastructure is not a very important thing. But we have to pay for the way that we have to do it. But Donald Trump will say, by the way, legalization. Okay, make sure we invest sufficient cost because we enter. But legalization. No, helicopter is a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

But we can pass the thing.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

So we have 4 mil illegal drops.

SPEAKER_03 42:23

And we'll just make sure too cool. You're gonna get people no matter what.

SPEAKER_00 42:56

That's not happening. A BBO is cruel. But you have to change it. If you have BBO, it is accumulative, it will be 30%. Now it's exaggerated, but that's the way. So we have 3 mil fluorin, and so 2020, and the way we have 2008. But we can put a cas. It's about you. But a system accumulative eliminate.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

But the work is a good thing.

Status Aparte, Autonomy, And Future

SPEAKER_01 44:51

It ties into this. Basically, this go round but un one-man show. No shade na pepe ya, pero me nota nyhind rebelista. The one guy we had on Vot King. Yeah, but I'm saying, like, look, who's still out, you know? But basically, I run a one-man show. What's the idea of team? What has been different the next go round for getting your votes and maybe coming to an even stronger team or maybe giving them more highlight? What is different in general?

SPEAKER_00 45:33

I'm different to preparing a team, an equipe. So we have some orgos to other candidates and turn decisions. So we can create political. At all? Nope. It is actually a good thing. It's a signal that we are not happy with political. And we have willing to have an job and a good job to enter politics. We have to turn that around. Entre authority, what we have a casual, what we have to look at political persecution, in my case, for example, I don't think we defend one of the political that you have defended, we're not going to do Hulanda. No more. Because we have an article, the statutes of Hulanda. This is a minister of an ex-minister of a three commerce, we will persuade if we have an proof solid that we have to have a PK for the living. And we have seen cases that we have, and we present the whole rat in Hulanda, three weeks, but now there is sufficient problem to come in the investigation. Guess what? But we're not going to know.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Damn.

Business Minds In Government

SPEAKER_00 47:38

And so we have to defend it. But we should have a super short. And we present. But investigating. No, Hulanda. And they will investigate. So the other way around. At least, you can't say that. You have the proof. Not that you are gonna look for the proof. And you can't do it. That's that's all it is.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Okay, so we can see that we can implement this type of law.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Parliament, it is legislator. It's a law, and not a law, it's a law existent, it's a law for the governor. Just take it apply from the governor, apply it.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

And what do you want to do?

Health Referrals, Imports, And Decisions

SPEAKER_00 50:01

Or in a certain moment, the Minister of Public Male politically, and other methods and whatever, in political. But we don't have to defend this, but we don't have to defend. But we said not to make an election. So we have a career political, we have an election, and we will see a law in Holland, the article. And we have Holland, but doctors, lawyers, I mean study, accounting political, but we have immunity to chomp on the people. We're not saying we have commission of investigation. We are in the American$5 million, we take the entrance from Minister. Anti, I think we think we have to have whatever. Ah, okay, what the Minister of Public will say the investigation on Otmar.

unknown 51:46

Yeah.

Leadership, Vision, And Tourism’s Next Step

SPEAKER_00 51:48

I'm not saying that phone calls of contest that we can have. It's been an accusation of 5 Venezuelan. On the eight accusations, we have 5 venezolans, 1 million. Or now we have an investigation. We investigate, we realize one venezolan who has a terrain in my entire period of minister. If you have an indication of the minister, we have$5 million in Panama, Miami,$3 million, it's so easy to system judicial, Interpol, and Martin Quentin. It's easy. And so if it's not an informant, it's embarrassing on a professional level. This is embarrassing. And the custom mayor. Okay, now there is a casting mayor. Okay? Driven my mama, whoa, meet, passama, buy, plaque, then for the meeting, I'm going to go to the grandma. No, what's your goal? 2000 florin to save DJ, me you have 60 florin, my kick, total, we can use 10 million florin. Total. Okay? Cash. Guess what guys? Not even one question in five years. And this is political. Of commercials and of Sudan, we'll be saying, hey, I'm going to be able to do my pays. Damn, that sucks, man. You want to come here? A lay of financial political. The ridiculous grand. I think that's what Evelyn was talking about yesterday. Correct. What was the ultimate election? You have a transaction. A ruba. We are starting in bingo. That's what you are, hey, but we put a number. Correct. Un bingo will be 50 million. Hold up. What are we busy? Yeah. And we have a lay? Wait, what? Yeah. But you should have proof. Hey, we need suspect. And we can check what you have. If you have to go, we are saying that we are on the blasting. Claro that's a good thing. And in the final day.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Futuro. What do you think about the deport? What is that in education? Same politics. Same shit. New beautiful face. But same politics.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

No direction debate.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

As a matter of fact, we consider more than that. Craziness. Anto Piori, it's nonsense total. Aruba bring up Aruba. We have essence and lucha and two particulars. You can give it up. Bird, the three are only during 50 years to look at the same. That's the reality of our history. So the Sali for the AVP, so those are the people, and we see one for the APP. But we have a common goal, but we have finally looked at independence of the independence. And what we have to regulate financiers of the pain, the ultimate two signs of surplus, we will criticate, we have control, there are no problems with supervision. But within our laws, within our democracy, we have our outdetermination, we have to pay. We have students, we are preparing our pain, we have to generate opportunities that we have. We have a pain that we have money that we develop, guys. And now this is just single free, and we're going to keep it. And the reality is.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:02

But then after that, your backpack. This goes back to having business people running the country. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

And to enter the company, inter gab. But we have to do this. It's like you, a common person to buy banks. And the three, we buy back na um. I start again at the first one.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

And they can try to fuck you over like, hey, just make sure that no high end number just 9.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:53

Hulan. Hulanda nota compliquinga. And to Joffi to pretend to be Hulanda. And to siblo grease, impossible, I'm going to be sabbo impossible. And the people who are not going to be able to do that. No. Okay, but we will be able to do this. No, no, no. Next we are in a city, it's a COVID. Correct. But if you have this, we're going to have to year number one. But if a pay not around 50% is 2005, 2020, 2020, just 2%. We have 25 years that we are. The problem is 2%, just 3, we will surpass. But again, we have 80%. Okay, Hulanda said we're going to get our autonomy and the constitution. We have those three parties. And that's fair. Because if I enter Venezuela, don't travel in that region. Antipas? And we have 20 years. But we have a constitutional manner, locally, we have to talk about the opposition, but the hospital is a good hospital. Yes, we have to continue. None of this. It's a long story because we have to go to the house. So unfair. And no present advice in Nanme's professor, the University of Hulanda, or the Kay, but if it ain't this, it has to be the other way, then it can have to drop.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:52

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:00

No, I'm seeing the party. They don't give a damn. They don't know about the fight for our status apart. They don't value it. Nanotan valorise it. Fine, that's their opinion. But what about AVP? Co botata 2 million pico firma qui a un monument, but expression cas. So now lucha combinaba. That was the first expression in the years 40s. And to avoid lucha, that's crazy. Well, you asked me at the beginning, how can I be jumping? I'd rather be jumping than sinking. I'd rather be jumping than sinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:08

I fuck with that. I respect that. Also, one great reason the economy is about a four looking in. Like for another perspective, it will be so voice opinion mass. Because you're kind of out of it a walkie. So I feel free.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:28

I can talk, I can, I can quit like us.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:37

That's not a conversation. Don't get too political. I am a politician. I know, but you still brought the human side of the industry.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:54

What do you want from me?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:05

It is wild, man. So what is social media?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

No, no, no, no. Just for us, hey, this is great. This is great.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

No, it is fun. Fuck, I lost my train of thought.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

Okay, so we have a preguntable. Yes. I woke up a parliamentary, unruba actual running?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:44

Not a decision to do that. You want to see more decision making? Not me. We are saying here. Okay, let's start. Salute. Now we have differentiation in salubrid, but we have differentiation that we tratamos, three, quatro lunas, by himself, not campaign. Nos demands to Colombia, carne galinha, but not permit Colombia mandarnos carne com galinha na rua para nos coming in bon quality. But it's a pain that manda miles.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

But that's just vacation-wise. But like you're saying, for medical reasons, we send them to Colombia. So they're good for that. They have all the most natural resources, because we don't allow importing from right there. We'd rather imported from the US.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:45

Anyway, that's my point. Look at this, we need a syndicate. We bail vercavlings plan and inbreadings plan. And we are going to pay the cases. Why don't we take decisions?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:24

Okay. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:29

Yes, I can make a phone. No, no. No. Okay. Minister Public.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:50

And the social. Yes. I don't want that. But those three. But when I can say, we don't have to squat. No, and I'm going to go. So I'm done. Like, this is my last week, so I'm going to go back to Karuba. And so it's constructed, and I'm going to go to the disaster.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:02

It's my personal shit, but uh, but sorry, it's millions of ridiculous. No, but COVID for you. Two reapply and finances, yeah. I mean, this is ridiculous. It's an abuse. Then those are those. We have two, and we're map, AVP, future. We have a period of 2 hours, we have to pay play, and we're going to have 200 people in the house. 2000. But the mean is 50 years and 20 hours. But the situation is not going to be able to do that. We have a candidate. We can hope that we can buy young. Imagine we're going to buy 30. Forget it. Or we are 20 years, 50 years. But as we look, first, first, first one, we can petition. Just do it. No. What?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:00

What are people doing? I'm applicable extension. Normally, yeah. Like extension.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:30

No, no, no. What? Yeah. Okay, but I'm going to get it. Okay. But it's long. Decision. You need balls, you need to make decisions.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:20

I think everybody and if you're if you're a minister, but you go to course negotiating by seeing over the at least negotiating. But I'm trying to celebrate that. I'm going to use my knowledge in negotiation, whatever the pain to try to figure out a solution. But do you have the pensay like, no, I'm going to machine?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:04

But I consider myself a leader, I have a guide hand, I mean. So, you know, we have to do that. Correct. But nobody wants to work next to the government or next to the politician.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

If you have opportunity, you were on that list. Okay, wow, to wrap up. But this could only here. Okay, so politicians to go the next go around. Pabisa, hey, if I could make my dream team of politicians, various various.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:24

No, I don't think we have a number of correct me as we saw that political lamentar sali for not active on Miguel Manzur. I consider a person who is not agreeing about tour, but we're idea more, much progressive, changes. I think he's a doer. He has a person who is mentioned. So we have a conflict, but we can take a merit of hope and I don't agree with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:07

But again, you do be bringing on good points, but he doesn't have to have a point.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

And then we discuss my list that we have political professor. You might like him, you might not like him. But if you say straight to the point, he's the guy. There are 18 mil votes in the world who not represent in Parliament in the moment with two particular. Almost 17,000. It's a lot. And we are political, and I encourage them to continue.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:28

Yeah. We don't know about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:31

I'm putting myself out. We can use the front national, we can take a moment that we can do political. We're going to have a leader that we have to lead on the band and a band of pension. I think if we can do that, we have a mature political enormous. And then we have to get a leader and just 4 parties to participate in the election, we have a result of the ultimate election.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:06

We literally talked about that before he came in. I just don't make it. Okay, ultimately.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:17

As one of the goats, the minister.

Closing Thanks And Looking Ahead

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

I'm happy we have a institution like we have, very professional with a great team. Together kure auto institut airport, we have a strongest team than turismo. Pero we leadership, this vision. Innovation for the future. And nobody knows it. Now we have the quality, but we don't have a plan. We're not going to be a vehicle and so that vision is a leader that dirigi and industry turismo. And so ainda benefit of the doubt, we are young. This is the first job he has ever had in his life. But in Ghana, we can do this over the oppositor, which are a chance, but karda secuba but the basic bread and butter that are paying. And so we can miss leadership, vision, planning. And believe me, to buy a nos instituto, but you need leadership. You need vision, you need plans for the future.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:20

Thank you. Thank you. That was a very interesting conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:24

Always with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:26

And it's always a fully season. But break it down by hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

It's a good idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:51

Komm-booking.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:53

Varios titles for vi. The only skin are flamming somewhere. But definitivamente politica. We have a historia. T'uma decision. Det är direktion and book. A gods de tumor decision. Taken over the natural benestar de un community.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:24

It's like over the lead protein. It can have to say, but we have bala to be at the cabinet, but it could be good facts. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:39

SA principalement, yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:41

In the end, um Go ahead, keep talking.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:46

Because that's what we need. This all in all, Busa, I think this is it. Otmar, super, super danky for the tempo. Always candid, straight to the point. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:02

Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:04

We're gonna wrap this up.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:05

Thank you for the invitation, guys. Um honor, um, different angles contribute to the bienestar and the community. And what a generation who normally interested in politics, believe me, your guys are getting their attention. Thank you. Contact me anytime.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:42

Next year, Nasabaki, what's where are you at November? Anyway, it's good.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:48

Thank you.