No Filter in Paradise
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No Filter in Paradise
Geoffrey Wever ta splica e Rijkswet, Agricultura y pakiko e costo di bida ta Keda Halto | EP 224
We challenge easy slogans and walk through a practical plan to lower costs, revive San Nicolas, and grow beyond refinery nostalgia. Transparent procurement, fair competition, startup incentives, and a realistic fiscal deal set the stage for agriculture, creative work, and renewables to scale.
• open procurement with clear terms, timelines, and public updates
• role of Fair Trade Authority in price competition and market health
• why refinery nostalgia fails and where growth can come from
• priority sectors: agriculture, creative industries, renewable energy
• startup regime and investor incentives that auto-apply
• San Nicolas redevelopment: farmers’ market, student housing, anchor tenants
• mobility, parking, and colocated public services to drive foot traffic
• fiscal pact mechanics: lower interest, surplus targets, flexible oversight
• targeted tax relief and long-run cost-of-living impacts
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SPEAKER_02:Hey guys, stay back on another episode. Minister Joffrey Waver. Welcome back.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. Thank you for inviting the show. Second time, some real time. Second time on the show.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry? Second time on the show.
SPEAKER_00:Second time, yes, sir.
SPEAKER_02:Menos political answers, most Joffrey Waver answers. But it's necessary to be here.
SPEAKER_03:Damn right.
SPEAKER_02:Shark the carbohydrate. So has it been an aye for the minister?
SPEAKER_00:And cooperation, this is what we have to look at and bodilante. Yeah, we said we have to have the government. And so it's a bone base and overall ambience.
SPEAKER_03:Clean up and make something and we can see it.
SPEAKER_00:We can see transparent and professional. And we have to assist at different levels, including the Hulanda. To use our professionals now, in the moment we have a commissariat by terms of reference, we bush and companies and youth who via process and public, and we have chance to participate with conditions to set clear from the get-go. We are a pressure cooker in the December, we see the department, we need to be expert on the Hulanda, we get together and try a terms of reference to a consultant to use in the phase.
SPEAKER_02:Sorry, transparency, tour was in contracting the construction, like a public view. Public knowledge. As in to buy a website on a cool and walk, oh, what are you saying, Hulanda?
SPEAKER_00:Tour cost about transparent. Next week we can see the number of the skills, so information to public path continuamente, update continuamente per time. January, the project that we can see the combat, and how much rigid and opportunity to commercials participate and account, publication. It's by a ball game by the fair company and the project. And for the January, we have to company access and possibility to participate in the negotiation of the government.
SPEAKER_03:I messed with that. I mess with that. Okay, so we saw the political band and developments of Aruba. But the minister is contested.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry, real quick, break that down and take up the Aruba Fair Trade Authority. The Fair Trade Authority. For example, if we have a monopoly, a company to do a product and if you have competence, or if you have competence, it is price, so it's overpriced, and it is. And we say that. And we say we said a cash with company and the service provider, and set the price, and to buy the cabin. And the work is a fair trade authority and the market. But the price is different than the price of the supermercado. So that's not true. So we have competence into the supermercado and price competitive. So it's just a part of competence. So we have a single supermercado, and there's a difference in the price, but it is economic. And we have price that is similar. So we have to be more, clientele, if you have other people who have a product, but the monopolist is only to offer the product, for example, to prevent monopoly. So we have two importance of the product compared to one person, and the only people who imported the product, but there are. But we have the worst associated, we have price and competence. And for example, we hope we convince that there are a tool human for the economy. But it's also the common man, not to comprehend, it's complicated. It's complicated for people to dominate the material. But it's a tribal which we have full of equipping and director of economics, and we have play for supporting up and running. But we don't do any political gain. But it's important to be political and we did a good thing. But we have no problem.
SPEAKER_03:So the Sinti, I kind of have to be messy now, right? But the Sinti is not very much aligned with the last year of this compared to our work with the future?
SPEAKER_00:No, I'm going to naturally have it. We can have our vision. And what we can look for. For example, we can do solid. For example, we need more sustainable. We have vision, for example, we have vision. For example, St. Nicolas, as we are the government, we have to compare and vision for the same thing. Translation for you guys.
SPEAKER_03:He just said earthly shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The linking of the two. No, translation. Okay. Let's move on. I did not say that. In so many words, you did. Despite all of this bullshit, everybody has to say, let's do this.
SPEAKER_00:It's amazing that authority is possibility to camp in the pace. It costs too much time. And so we have to do that, but one piece of drive enormous. So we have to do satisfaction. And the problem is today, every day is a good day. So if we have to do it, it's a day of difficulty. We have to try tranquility, we have placement, but comfortability. But we have on the attack, we can compromise. And it is naturally strategic and politically. So the part of the strategy is naturally a part of the political. But we have a plate with respect. Respectfully, we have respect, make your point. Because we can use standards, and political cases. It's not really bothered me, it's not affecting me. But it affects a round, but you between those, but mayor, and say not a nice political system. It is born by political. But if we have all the sacrifice and be personal, career, professional and personal and deal with it, and we have to find the political. So we have intent in political, we have to work and we have potential to election. Hey, joint policy. And I'm going to go to the room, we have to talk about it. I'm not going to have a cookie. I'm going to expose my people, my family, I want to meet the merit. If you say different, but a form of respect.
SPEAKER_02:But what do you think?
SPEAKER_00:But for example, we have a parliamentary immunity. We'll insult him, we'll give you. How? Then why do you even have this position? It's a part of fundamental de nos democratia. But you can lie? We are not supposed to go. You can put a malware. You can have that. But if we repeat the presence conference, and we have a cases under me, and probably defaming people. In this parliament, we need to be careful with that. And we can be back for me. But for the parliament, we will say we will put my court, but we will see. But we can have a type of political. You know, we have to endorse a type of political. We ordered a dissertation in Parliament, we have number two. But we'll use personality of use of fake profiles, Facebook, attack.
SPEAKER_02:Shark by the political research, the Shark's ultimate air, tweet.
SPEAKER_03:I understand.
SPEAKER_02:But then I'm thinking about what when we had a conversation with Almar. He said, I am accountable shark, the algo, missing concrete proof.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I will go against you because we're going to be able to do this. Like changing the laws?
SPEAKER_00:But we have the parliament proofs. But it's not about when a person is a heart of it, it's a bike or attack so character. For example, a campaign to pick a floor. But we can buy Facebook.
SPEAKER_02:Otherwise, we have to get censored.
SPEAKER_00:And to perception create. Yeah, we can destroy the refinery unless we can be under one. We have$1 billion 10 days in Aruba. So we will have 5 hotels. We have to do this. We have a refinery, we have a terrain, we have 5 hotels, we have a plaque, but we say we have design. That's all fine. But by the technology, we need to import HF, the price of petrol, depending on, and we have solar abundance. Renewable energy is also investing in long-term, we have more gas of utility, we are more dependent. So we have a tremendous long-term investment. We have technicians, we want to buy companies and expertise. Fintech will be reemplaced tourism. But we can create different economic drivers now. And to enable us in the tech, but a framework. For example, we have a minister that 5% of local production, 25% of import, which is crazy. But we have a full market. At least we have recovered. There are potential in untapped manner of opportunity. And so we're going to see the construction of an agri-innovation park. I feel like I've heard you talk about this before. In the Santa Rosa. We replace the tourism. But different activity economics, and we buy agricultural commercial, but we have opportunity.
SPEAKER_03:And there are so many studies.
SPEAKER_00:We know the waiting. We will pitch an idea, see the bone, but we have a press interest, flexible, and equipment, and we'll just start with some business. That's not the point. Correct. But the container is not the direct growth. But we need to what you need bot, motor, safety, skills. And we have to do it. We have the creative industry. We have a doctor. Everybody has a set of skills and passion. There are most people who are doing this, and a group. And say to the part economic, a long-term vision to create an opportunity. And we say automatically traduce the well-being of the citizen. We need to get basic, for example, to start-ups, we need to have an incentive for the government, and we can bring back and establish a negotiation. Or not have nothing concrete.
SPEAKER_03:I'm messing with you so much. Sorry, Minister Joffrey. Okay, I'm fucking with this dude real hard, real hard. But this ties into the map, you can't do it. But so far, so good. Okay, so mi pregunta pa bo, this which ties into looking at the arena aruba investment agency. But this is the sei sector ng very promising: sustainable agriculture, creative industries, knowledge economy and medical tourism. What is the sector ngho resultating the proximal 50?
SPEAKER_00:Well, agriculture, commercial, agriculture to care, but we are a sector primary and potential sector. So we say a creative industry to use a renewable energy in the world. So we have three. But FinTech, we have FinTech is more complicated. We have a legal framework, it is more complicated. But we have a death ambitious time, buy low-hanging fruit. By low-hanging fruit, we care about agriculture, creative industry, and renewable energy. But fintech, for example, is also more complicated. But we don't spant to focus on the 10%, maximum potential. But we have 5 or 20, we built up and that moment, we are not going to change that attitude.
SPEAKER_03:If you have to check, pick one thing for like top priority for the undinang.
SPEAKER_00:But Nicolas, sorry.
SPEAKER_03:Orange Stat wise, since Nostaki nang what also Papian kubit is not a good thing. So that's also one of the biggest things we think.
SPEAKER_02:But control time and what kind of businesses? Because next time we know being the pine.
SPEAKER_03:Unnecessary.
SPEAKER_02:So Lincoln Road in Miami, by the way.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, ending there was nothing, but we have to do the paper, someone complication. But we can renovable negotiation or renovable real estate, we have a return on investment. So we have an edification, we have to prefer it to incomes, and basically we have inversion, 30 million tenants. So if we have a tenant will get a rent, we don't have to make return on investment. And so we have to put in the stock market and time deposit and invest in the final day, we have a price that we are competitive, which we have young entrepreneurs being back in the price, and we have to do this. So if you have orderable by invest, we have two sorts of deductions, 0% profit tax, etc. etc. afscribing and ganache, it's fascinating and maintenance and offering your price time. Dus registrar.
SPEAKER_02:So for example, I know like there's like a benefit for having one of the 4 ans new business with a highlight certain benefits.
SPEAKER_03:But I'm talking about it on a perspective from like when we went to the Orange Economy conference with Mr. King from Barbados. They have big businesses making money. At some point, smart for even registrar, notami homage. This is what they used to do, implementing the same thing. You get maybe info, tax cuts, maybe the first three years.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry to interrupt, a system. Per 1 January a startup arrangement that we are in vigor. Automatically a regime is applicable. Automatically incentives that we arranged. And there is a man and inversionists of stimulus startups. For example, the State of St. Nicolas, we have the moment we decided for January to invest. But we have this opportunity. So we invest, we have more blasting. We have an edification of renovation, and we have a client revitalizing the centre. Then for St. Nicolas and Orion Stat. Okay, Nicolas. But we work with the city that we have to use a mural. And that perspective, in the city, perspective is a muraly. And we have the Caribbean. And in this moment, we will inversionists by being able to see there's an opportunity. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, we're tour organization of St. Nicolas. And so yeah, it's part of the San Nicolas authentic. And so yeah, add some laws in place.
SPEAKER_03:Add some laws in place. Add some laws in place. Specific pa San Nicolas.
SPEAKER_02:San Nicolas, interview ultimately. Well, Nosta.
SPEAKER_00:As we speak, we have terms of reference commissary. But the focus is a part of the redevelopment. We identify the Correct Nicolas Palama. But we have to do this. For example, as part of the farmers' market, we have 5 million. 2025. We have to contracte. But either commissar. So we have to be a farmers' market in a cabinet. We can create a flow, the traffic, atari and notch, and artisan espacio. So we put string lights, there is ambience. We have fruit, we have barbecue. It's like a whole outing, basically. It's like a whole thing. We have people. It is. If we have an alarm, we have to go to the buy. But if you have a suburb, we are in St. Nicolas. Just stroll. Stroll and to buy have a drink, have a coffee, come on. Dependent flow, yeah. And by the way, business opportunity. Depending on the tap into a potential. We can put school stakeholders and the polls, the track, but maintain authenticity, but we have to effectively, but we can school stakeholders and see participation. When we are, for example, we will minister full of area. In both restaurants in the skin, we can push it. Organization, we have a zorg for infrastructure, which is a pensamento, we want to add a buy into it, and to organization authentic, bonita, exit, nice, and to say satisfaction of the push, but the idea is to contribute to DCD, but we can see it. And to reality, but authentic economic logo. But the only manner of school and alignment with the club with a boiling. And we do have a restaurant, we will see a match. But we can continue, we have an area, we have a backery, festival, full area, in Mark and restaurant. That looks very, very pretty. As an like outside the box, we're going to look out, and we have to have a project A. So we have a plaque for the project A. But we're going to put a tenant for a unique manner that we can put an edifice of Aruba Bank in Kaya and we put the transition play, a tenant, being vision. No, no, no, no, no, we are pretty announced for the first time. Almost heard it here first. And to identify to it.
SPEAKER_02:And like in about 5-10 years, 15 years from that, but it just feels like a little city.
SPEAKER_03:That's the point.
SPEAKER_02:You know what I mean? I get to do it. I think corrupts is basically.
SPEAKER_00:About a restaurant of a book. We have a restaurant, and 25 appartments for students. But we have 25 students in the centre. We have a drink at the time, and we have to come in, we have university today.
SPEAKER_03:We have time to have different communities.
SPEAKER_00:And we have to be able to do that. Let me see. And we said about it, but we have to use the appartment. But we can use the concept of the department of the government. Because we have an officer in the government, but there are an appartment. So I love it. It costs like the chicken and the egg. Okay. Exactly. Most of these people don't even need a car. We want the Bureau of Intellectual Eigentum in the Kaya, we want consument in the kaya, CBS have been in the kaya, and noble, no, and to park. So we have a river. But parkour pa nobody. I want to justify a construction dun parker garage.
SPEAKER_03:I like this. I fuck with you. I like this. Add this question, baby, because I'm trying to see.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, okay, so obviously. My God, was a giving away full autonomy, la la la la. Like I put up the cookie, so we break it down. But supposedly pro, say not basically giving away financial decisions in Hulanda.
SPEAKER_03:So, we can see the pro and what we think about honesty and transparency.
SPEAKER_00:We have spore, we have a situation because we have limitable financierly. But the order of that has two principle. One that we do reduction of interest gigantic, gigantes, we have 6.5% of the interest in the world, and we have 3.2. We have refinance now, interest. We have$3 million in interest. We have a bank or land to pay. So we spore back, for example,$20,$20,000. The rest of the plaque is whatever we spore, the player we invest in. And the calculation of$56 million in a period in 20 years. But it is the loan agreement and we could structural, it is financial that is grand. We have to be back to investing back in enseignance, infrastructure, the compra, you name it. We are financier. But there is placa interest, the placa belasting that we can get. Die BBO, the invoer, the producten, and the belasting the pueblo interesse. Dus we have an obligation for reducing and gas. But we can either do it back in the community of the company of the infrastructure, of the belasting in the total data. And the other Rijkswed, the man is more flexible because we think the moment. In the moment, the government is liberal to have some decisions. Or the Rijkswed entrance in vigour, and the manage financier be more transparent, more facilitat and more flexible for the government. It's just a fact, and the argument that the opposition to our growth and two are approved in Hulanda is not bad. That's just a blunt lie. It is just an engine, and not as three moments that we think with Hulanda, but the system actual has eight moments that we think. So a footprint in the Hulanda financier. It is more flexible because we have the moment of solutions, because we have to do it. But one is the economy to perform, and we have placement, we have play until we look at the thing by the way, we have inversion. But the right on the figure, we decided what we can do. It's the opposite of what they're saying. It's the opposite. It's the opposite. 1% in the surplus, the difference between entry and 1%, 1% of economy is debt. We need 1% of the surplus, we have$75 million. So we have a play that we transfer the bank. They have surplus, but 1% and the bank. One, we have the bank$30 million, we use$45 million for investing in the world. In the third year, we have to use the full bank. And so we have the FIA for project, for example, we have a number that costs$10 million, and we have the FIA, we cost 6.9%, 6.5%, 6% of interest by 2. So we need to cost, we will feel 3.2%. So it is direct, and it has manner to sell for the case. I was about to ask your exit clause. It has an exit clause. But the pain is the people who are going to be able to buy a community, other camera, no, we have two in place. We can sell it, we have to try to solve the rights, and we will decide if we sell. But we can talk about your friends. But the moment we have loss. We have just 10% and 8% of the rent, we will do$3.2%. But we condition. But we financial 3.2%, and we condition more flexible the supervision financier that we have in the moment. If we can have this, if we can see the normal, we don't have any. No, no, no, it's 20% that we have. But on a yearly basis, we will have a surplus of 3.5%, and we will demonstrate that we have debt 50% of the debt to GDP. So the only condition that we compliment is requesting the temple, and so we can have the thing. If we have nothing, if we have to play, we will have to do that. That's up to you. That's up to you. Of course, that's the point. We will have nothing. We will not invest in carrier, we will not invested in enseignants. Now we have a consequence: hey guys, that's not sound management. Financial management, watch out, but create the gas. But now we're going to have one. But we have to aim reparation to grandinum, 250% of the future. It's precopying to create the gas and structural, which is a bugas. But we're going to do it by direct budget to ride, too. Yeah, the 50% to run, but to be able to do it.
SPEAKER_02:I'm just saying, that's their campaign.
SPEAKER_00:Old school politics.
SPEAKER_03:That's why we were like, okay, why is it job or a minister joffitra? And I was riding with you up until this point. But I still fucking find it. I still okay.
SPEAKER_02:See, I'm about to do that. I'm like, what is this actually true?
SPEAKER_00:It's just not true. And so we have to opinion negotiant, but it's not a good thing. That wasn't the deal. That's not part of the deal. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. But it's not the caso. This is just a lie.
SPEAKER_03:Lies. Got it. So I mean, Turkos no portabung. This is what a nadie is.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah, we can adel that in general supervision financier completely. But we're going to checks and balances, we have ordered. So we don't care. We're not going to institute. We're going to have to spore. We can demonstrate that we are. This is not about management, the phase of transition and restructuring and supervision.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry, just terminal. We construct a supervision local. Because the fiscal council, a local local, local, could take over the Gulanda. It is cease to exist, and we will think we have a camera. And we have to focus theoretically for if we don't complete, then we have a problem, right? Because we don't complete the normal management finances public in the manner, we have to intervene. But say what we're doing. If we don't understand a surplus of 8%, if we don't have a regard to the government in the past, we have to be in laft in 2024. But preferably the pace, we don't have any type of supervision financier again. I don't say.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, Mr. Puntrabesaki see. So we are ta for one bucky ko belasting nang. Like noses at this point. Q is surplus. Do we see removal of any of these belastings anytime soon? Nostain thing those goes.
SPEAKER_00:For example, when we mention tax incentives para businesses, there are financial DMs and tried to belasting, but so we can sector commercial. But what is the different components that are impacting and the nivel de gas on the program enfreacing by BBO, the ground belasting, loon belasting, incomes belasting, so communication. Yeah, the loon belasting to have a reduction between considerable at the principal anya. Pero experience of the paísing of reduction, for example, in the reaction of the BBO, it will reduce, but we're not working at reduces in a price. Or we can price the material construction, it is the price. And we have an amount of surplus contest, but we have two options. Of course, we need to do certain groups. For example, when we have the case of the grand, the case of the minimum loan, so in mid class, for example, the direction of the loan belasting, we are going to be able to use it. Because we have a cost of spare price of$250 for the luna, but if we have control of the price, we could in that product in the finale$250 million. But if we don't have$250 for the moment to luna, the price is a cost, but we have$250 for the money. But the ultimate price is time. But the representative for the moment, and we are back in the niveau de poter to company about the thing that put it for me. Start up facilities, an expert regime to attract nos professional and revamping the free zone. But a party that is solid, and so a working for 2026, we need to come here dialogue over what are the possibilities and reforms generic. And to the final day, I think we can traduce a reduction of the cost of it. But for example, we need to try to use an energy. It is. A cost price of a retail price. It is a topic. It's a simplified. But it is a discussion that we can talk about technical result.
SPEAKER_03:No. No.
SPEAKER_02:All right. Good to hear it. And to bra uh Mans, subscribe my channel, comment down below, like video. Kikuba goose to the job. Kiku no goose the job. Comment everything. And to be back on Simang. Peace. Ayo. What are you gonna say that? Alright, thanks, guys.