You Should NOT Own a Pet If You Do This… (Luna Foundation Story)

Aruba calls itself “One Happy Island,” but there’s a side of the story most people never see.

In this episode, we sit down with Zoe, founder of Luna Foundation, to talk about the dark reality of animal cruelty in Aruba — from chained dogs left in the sun to puppies being dumped and forgotten.
This isn’t an easy conversation, but it’s one that needs to happen.
Zoe shares what she sees every single day behind the scenes of animal rescue, and why the real problem isn’t just stray dogs — it’s responsibility, education, and mindset.

If you’ve ever owned a pet, or are thinking about getting one, this is something you need to hear.

In this episode we talk about:
• The story behind Luna Foundation and how it all started
• The harsh reality of animal abuse cases in Aruba
• Why if you can’t afford basic care, you shouldn’t own a dog
• The biggest mistakes dog owners still make that people think are normal
• Why feeding dogs bones can be dangerous
• The connection between animal abuse and deeper issues at home
• Why laws exist but enforcement is still lacking
• The truth about government shelters and why they don’t solve the problem
• Why exporting dogs abroad is not a long-term solution
• The most effective solution: spay and neuter, including free options in Aruba
• What it really takes to care for over 200 animals every day

The truth is simple:
If you cannot afford food, medical care, and basic responsibility, you cannot afford a pet.

Want to help?
Support Luna Foundation, volunteer, or start with the basics:
Spay and neuter your pets
Educate your family
Stop normalizing neglect

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Transcript

Radio Launch And Pet Rant

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Before we start today's episode, we just want to let you know that Shark and I are finally going to the radio, which means every single Saturday you can tune in on XFM 102.7, hang out with us, play some good music. We got a bunch of giveaways and just an overall good time and vibe. So tune in Saturday, 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Enjoy the episode. Peace. What are your thoughts about people that like train their dogs like Athaga ate more day?

SPEAKER_09 0:27

I pray someday the dog buys their ass. But because the owner didn't take his responsibility. That's why it exploded. It was everyone else's fault but his, and yeah. Yes. And if you're a local, you learned four languages. Are you stupid? I don't have enough volunteers. We're in a different world now. No one wants to do stuff from the hike. Everyone wants a salary.

SPEAKER_03 0:49

It was like we always want to honor people after they pass.

SPEAKER_06 0:52

I'm like, what are you doing now? Do it now. Like people are depressing. Like, not at all listening more and more.

SPEAKER_07 0:58

I'm like, why are us humans like this? Like jumped it. Huffed my dog. I was not happy.

SPEAKER_09 1:04

They're blaming them that they're the ones poisoning, but people have been poisoning our dogs for forever.

SPEAKER_07 1:09

This is the thing. Thank God Zoe is here again.

SPEAKER_01 1:16

Okay, let's be honest. Even you who's watching, you've also done this, alright? So don't be judging us.

SPEAKER_09 1:21

Many do it. You don't need to honor me. Do it for the animals. People say, yeah, I think Pantu, they're not mine. All these animals are Ruba's animals. They're not mine. I'm saving them because the owners failed them.

Meet Zoe And Her Mission

SPEAKER_06 1:37

Hey yo, what's up? Allah, chemisters.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Yes, welcome back to the ABC Islands favorite podcast. No filter in Paradise. A show about anything and everything between two friends. One is straight and the other.

SPEAKER_06 1:48

Super duper black and gay babies.

SPEAKER_04 1:51

Alright, guys, today we have a special guest. You already know who it is because you saw the thumbnail, you saw the title. This is someone that we've spoken about in the past multiple times to bring on the show. She almost came on the show during uh election time. Yeah. Yeah, during that. She almost came on the show. Um, but now we're here today to talk about the life of Zoe. Yeah. The Luna Foundation. Welcome.

SPEAKER_09 2:14

The madness. Good morning. Good morning.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

I mean, based on based on what I've been hearing before we started recording, it does sound like madness.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

So I have to agree.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

It is, it is.

SPEAKER_09 2:25

Yay.

SPEAKER_04 2:26

So for those so for those who don't know who Zoe is, who's Zoe?

SPEAKER_09 2:31

Who's Zoe? Yeah. Zoe is first of all a mom. A mom of an almost 20-year-old kid. I call him a kid. You're not a kid anymore. Zoe is a kid.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

My dad calls me a kid. I'm 36.

unknown 2:42

Yay.

SPEAKER_09 2:43

Zoe is a wife. A wife now going on 26 years. Nice. And the founder of Luna Foundation. And the madness that comes with it. That's who Zoe is.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

I mean, it's a madness you love, so it's it doesn't feel it doesn't feel like a type of madness, like, never, never.

SPEAKER_09 3:02

I'm a I'm an animal person. Keep me away from the human bullshit. I'm an animal person.

SPEAKER_04 3:09

Thanks for coming, hanging out with us today.

SPEAKER_09 3:11

No, we appreciate it because we get it.

SPEAKER_04 3:14

Now I wanna I want to just go back a little bit, like how or why did you start Luna Foundation?

SPEAKER_09 3:20

It wasn't um how to say it. I'm a banker. I don't know. Many people think ooh, she was born in the animal world. No. Living in Holland, I've done the stock exchange. Then we decided we're gonna move to it. Yeah, we reversed. What? I work at that level. You went to Luna Foundation?

SPEAKER_05 3:40

I was like, we gotta go way back. Way back. Okay, okay, okay. Let's go further back. Let's go further back. Further back.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Okay, let's put a pin in Luna. Okay, yeah, basically. Put a pin in Luna. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 3:49

We gotta start off. Before we go, I think we need to start all the way back. Like give us young Zoe. Okay. Young Zoe in a in wherever you were from, where you were six, seven years old.

SPEAKER_09 4:02

Born in Holland. Born in Holland by um an Arubian mom, Bunarian dad. Mom and dad separated. So I grew up with my mom. But at two years old, came to Aruba. Grew up with grandparents and auntie. Um many that follow me know that my mom passed last year, but that was my aunt, the one that took care of me.

SPEAKER_08 4:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 4:28

That I see as mom. See, so I've always said I got two moms, biological mom, and the one that took care of me. The one that's deep in my heart is the one that passed. Of course, I got a connection with my biological mom as well, but I think many in Aruba know Mama di Crianza. You got you got two. So I had one. Um came to Aruba when I was two years old. Um grew up in San Nicolas. That's that's my hometown. Always be my hometown. Yeah. Yeah. No, went to um Princess Irina School, no longer exists. Abraham De Vere. That's where I then back to Holland to study. I did Mayao, Hey Io, University, and I rolled into the bank world. Um I think I've done almost every bank. I'm not loyal to the bank.

SPEAKER_06 5:15

What led you into the bank, but the banking world?

SPEAKER_09 5:17

Finance. I love making money. Oh my okay, okay. I love making money. Okay, I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. I love making money, but there comes a time when the the rush is too much. Because you you work the stock exchange and it's a high speed life. If you want to build a family, you can't do the high speed life.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

You could, but then you sacrifice time with your kids and everything. Exactly. You have to pick, you can still have it, but you have to pick.

SPEAKER_09 5:42

You gotta grow up.

SPEAKER_04 5:43

Grow up to die with them. Yes.

Roots In Aruba And Banking

SPEAKER_09 5:46

We go back. Um, did the bank had a first husband. My husband now is my second husband. Had a first husband, grew up with him, not grew up with him, live with him on a farm. That's already weird. Well, the animal thing started with granddad, because my grandfather used to save everything on the street. Used to send my aunt stoking. He would come home with chickens with broken beak, birds that fell out of the tree, dog that God hit. He would bring them home. Car hit them, he brings them home, rub them down with maravilla water, with some creoline, rip up a marine, um, you call them a marina, the the white t-shirts, rip it up, tie up the dog, the neighborhood. Used to wonder, like, what's going on in Nyhofstrad? Why these dogs always walk in with t-shirts on? Because my grandfather was into it. Bandage them up and send them back on the way, keep them in the yard till they're good, and then they could go back out. We had chickens, we had pigs, we had goats. That was his thing. I grew up in that way in the animal world. Okay. We went to Holland, things changed. You're having dogs in Holland. Yeah, that's true. Not like here, different culture, different culture. You have to have them in the house, different culture. Met my first husband, had a farm, we had our animals, fabulous. Didn't work out. He was older than me. I don't do commanding, I don't do possessiveness. Don't it do not work for me. People telling me what to do and how to do and when to do has never worked. Yeah, never, never. So that didn't last. We were married for like a year. It was like a supersonic wedding done over and out.

SPEAKER_06 7:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 7:24

Came to Aruba on vacation to you'll say spread your spread your wings to have fun. Carnival showed up in every newspaper in front of the parade. I ain't in the parade, but in front of the parade, that anyhow. In that year, I met my husband now. Really? On vacation. Everyone said it's a vacation love, not going last. Not lasting. And he's from Holland. He's Dutch. So y'all and meet there. Y'all came here to meet. At Mumba Beach. We met here. He was a bartender.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_09 7:56

Yeah. Whoa. I told you I came to spread the wings. He was a Mumba bartender. We hooked up. It was fun. I went back home. Went back to Holland. A month after he flew to Holland. And we've been together since then.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

I'm gonna chase that girl.

SPEAKER_09 8:11

We've been together since then. That's 2002.

SPEAKER_04 8:15

Wow. Been together. See, for everybody who's saying if you're a bartender, you can't trust them, blah, blah, blah. Example A, example B. I was a bartender, met my wife.

SPEAKER_09 8:24

Yay. You can't trust them all, but some of them. Some of them. Not all upon them.

SPEAKER_04 8:28

Only the lucky fuse find the right ones.

SPEAKER_09 8:29

Yeah. And we're together since. Our son was born in 2006. And then we decided, because I grew up here. I lived, we lived in Amsterdam, but I wanted him to feel the island life. He has his whole life to learn what Holland has to offer if he wants to go back. I wanted him to feel what it felt for me. Running the street with just your jockey on and the neighbors keep it. Very true. To keep an eye on you. Yeah, to keep an eye on you. You're playing with simple stuff. You don't need all the luxury. Some little marbles, playing with stones, playing jacks, all of that. He learned all of it here. It grounded him here. Run around with no shoes on. Like a little island boy. Island boy, exactly. You couldn't do that back home in Holland. So coming here, Aruba doesn't have stock exchange. Aruba don't do um trading. I applied at um Aruba Bank, but then I would have to work six days. The irony now is on the Saturdays I would have to go in as well to work. Now I work seven, eh? But anyhow. I want to be different, and the autumn was small. I didn't come Aruba to have others look at my son.

SPEAKER_06 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 9:48

Some would say, Yeah, that's a luxury. But it's a life that I I chose that life. I have a husband, I have my kid. I didn't want others. I don't trust man. I don't trust people with my kids.

SPEAKER_08 10:01

Yeah.

Founding Luna Through Education

SPEAKER_09 10:01

And I don't have family members here that I could say I can take him there. So I stayed home. I did my odds, my things here. I made jewelry. Um, I worked at a cigar store. Then a foundation asked me to take care of puppies. Like, all right, why not? I'm home. But they only did taking care of them, no education. You can keep pulling them off the street and shipping them out, but if you don't change your mentality on the island, nothing changes. Then you're shipping them out, and then what? You'll do that forever. I don't want to do this forever. I get old. The sun up in there mashing me up. I don't want to do this forever. The island have to learn, they gotta learn something that what's happening with our animals is not right. And then you know as a foundation you succeed. Then you shut down shop. Done.

SPEAKER_05 10:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 10:51

Then the island could do it on their own. But if you gotta keep holding everybody's hands for 40 years and 50 years, that's craziness. That's madness. So I figured, alright, I start a foundation that educates. We start doing the schools, going in the barrios, explaining people, don't be have your dogs all tied up in the sun baking clean bowls of water. The simple stuff. The simple stuff are island lacks. Low is not dengue. If the the dog flip over it bowl, you ain't giving it no more because you flip it over for spider. For real? If you your kid flip over a glass, you tell it it don't get no more water for the whole day. Later. So for your animals, it's the same.

SPEAKER_06 11:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 11:35

And seeing that in the neighborhoods is how Luna starts. Because you can't see abuse and walk away. So the sanctuary became Luna's safe haven. A safe place for the abuse. And then it starts with dogs. But not only dogs being abused. I could lock it down to just dogs, but what about the other animals? When you walk in and they have a cat that the light skyracket on its tail.

SPEAKER_06 12:05

Oh no. You can't leave it. Fireworks.

SPEAKER_09 12:09

How do you leave it?

SPEAKER_06 12:11

You're gonna lie.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

I had a pause there.

SPEAKER_09 12:21

Fireworks, sorry.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

You're welcome. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_09 12:25

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

It's okay. It happens every now and then.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

But how to be like, wait, that's English, but I'm not English, and I mean somebody correct this right now, please.

SPEAKER_06 12:36

Sorry, it came up. Like a nofield. It's supposed to be that way.

SPEAKER_04 12:42

Wait a second, and my mind was like, okay, do I ask what it is and look in the Canadian, or just like pretend that I know?

SPEAKER_06 12:48

And I'm like, you know what?

SPEAKER_04 12:49

What are you saying?

SPEAKER_06 12:54

Kind of rocky and that was like that. Like, let me look at the wrong mind. He didn't want to.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_06 13:09

Guys, I do it for the people.

SPEAKER_09 13:13

Sorry. Sorry. That was the sunny.

SPEAKER_06 13:16

I learned today. You learn some bush English. You're you're welcome.

SPEAKER_09 13:20

When you get into it, you forget to pull it in.

SPEAKER_06 13:24

I just do it all the time.

SPEAKER_09 13:25

So the you think because normally, you know, when we get tourists at the haven, you polish it up. You speak the proper English. You don't have to do that again. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

Only for me if I have if yeah, I'll translate it for you.

SPEAKER_09 13:36

That's okay. Only if I ask. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Because sometimes I'll just pretend I know. If I ask like 10 times, I get you're stupid or what?

SPEAKER_09 13:42

What happened?

SPEAKER_01 13:44

Do you even live on this island?

SPEAKER_09 13:48

I mean, you're rolling with Shaq, you should have picked up on a good bit. Good bit. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 13:53

Alright, sorry. Sorry, sorry. Okay.

SPEAKER_09 13:56

So like it's it's Luna's safe haven for all. People say now, yeah, it became a zoo. It's not a zoo, it's a safe haven. All the abuse end up they if we have the space, they come to us.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

What happens if you don't have the space?

SPEAKER_09 14:13

Yeah, then they got to stay parked where they are.

SPEAKER_04 14:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 14:16

Or other foundations. Aruba has like what 15 foundations, and somebody else has to do it. You have others that take them in. I got the severe cases.

When Abuse Signals Family Trouble

SPEAKER_06 14:26

So, Zoe, I want to ask, you know, like because you talked about like uh finding solutions and educating the community on the simplest simplest, simplest, simplest things. What do you feel like is missing, or do you feel like we as a community are not doing or not educating ourselves on, or what what is something you would say, like, hey, this is something I feel like everybody should know? Standard, whether you have a pet or not, but everybody should know this and everybody should take lead. Because if we're saying that at some point Luna Foundation should close down, which is it makes sense. Like now that you put it in this perspective, it it does make sense. So, how far are we from it closing down?

SPEAKER_09 15:17

I start in 2017 and I said we I would do this for five years. I had to bump it up another five years. You know, an island it adapts slow. It got certain things, we quick and learn it, and other things is like we're on special needs. We we slow in picking it up. Taking care of our animals seemed to be one of that. But it's not just the animals, because I believe a household we have issues with animals, something wrong in the house in general.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

In the house in general, yep.

SPEAKER_09 15:49

So that's like a part for social services. There should be a link. If I go to a house where the the dog is massively being abused, something going on with the kids or with the mom or with the dad, something up. So somebody should show up to that household.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

I never thought I've never seen a disperspective because if you're abusing a dog, imagine a child that's inside.

SPEAKER_09 16:10

Exactly. What's the other thing?

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Or at least, at least the dog is there's something happening and the lash out is towards the dog. So what about a kid?

SPEAKER_06 16:18

Or it could also be simply that maybe somebody is mentally unstable in the home. Exactly. Maybe the owner is the it's only one owner, and they're not you know, all the way right in the mind. So, hey, this person also needs help. The same way this dog needs help.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

That's crazy. I never thought about it that way. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 16:34

Because then you're you're abusing a pet in front of your kid. So what trauma you're messing up your kid right there, too.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

And they also seem like, oh, that's perfectly normal. So they're gonna see a dog and kick a dog. Ah, my dad does it at the house all the time. Oh, let's put fireworks on the dogs.

SPEAKER_09 16:50

Exactly. Where's your empathy? Where's your compassion? Then your kid don't develop that. And what kind of human, what kind of adult you're forming to stick to have in our society? Then that's when things get messed up. Then you got these kids doing all sorts of weird stuff. Cause they got no morals, they don't care.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

It's crazy how it's connected that way. I never seen it that way.

SPEAKER_06 17:10

I have never thought about that in this perspective at all until now.

SPEAKER_09 17:15

Yeah, and it it's happening a lot. A lot more than people can imagine. It's basic stuff. When we do the schools, I tell the kids what you need is what you if you have a pet at home, what you need your pet needs too. Food every day, clean water, a place where you feel safe. If you're sick, somebody should take you to the doctor. And love, appreciation, kindness. You need that. So that's what your pet needs to be. You know, some kids would say, yeah, but your fro, how you want me to feed my pet if I myself have nothing to eat? That's a household with an issue. How um yeah um atekachoku baranka just quite normal. That's a household that has issues, and it's a lot I'm I'm so oblivious to all those things.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

Because I I don't I don't say I live in the bubble, I just I have my own thing going on. But everyone that's everybody I know, but like then I hear things like even when in the beginning shark was telling there's so much like um homophobia and like racism, racism, and I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, I don't I don't see it. I don't I've like and then I take shark like or conversations like this to like make me realize okay, we're still dealing with this shit, like still on a little small island like Aruba, yeah. And it's getting amplified if anything, it's like more and more of a multi-cultured island.

SPEAKER_06 18:42

How how are we being like racist? And a lot of people don't travel, so a lot of people all they know is what they know, and that's all that they know. They don't even leave their bodies, it's just mind-boggling. They don't they don't even like legit when you start going into like kunukus and different parts of the island, you discover people that you're like, huh?

SPEAKER_05 19:02

These people exist, people live, yeah, yeah. Like, are y'all even connected to society?

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Like, yeah, pulls out a blackberry with buttons and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_09 19:12

They don't even have a phone like like no TV, been places.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

I'm like, I'm not in Aruba.

SPEAKER_09 19:20

Yes, Sam, I'm not even kidding to you.

SPEAKER_07 19:24

This is on Aruba.

SPEAKER_09 19:25

Yeah, dead ass. Stuck in time, dead ass.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

Shocking. And these people are people that are voting. Legit, legit.

SPEAKER_09 19:34

I'm like, see, that's another story for another day. Like, I'm like, oh my god. Wait a minute.

SPEAKER_06 19:41

It's it's berserk. It is berserk. I am shocked. We live in a we this is like one society of Aruba. There's like a whole other society that exists, and if you're like, Yeah, the things that they think is normal, it's like things that we would be like This was normal like 60 years ago.

SPEAKER_09 19:58

Yeah, 7 years, like they get stuck in time, yeah. They're still there, and that's why the animal abuse is so so powerful still here. That's because people not they're not um, they're not moving, they're not evolving, like they're stuck in time.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

Yeah, we're used to tying up our dogs, we used to be put up, put it on a metal chain, leave it outside.

SPEAKER_09 20:17

Not like a uh a house band and then no, they put the whole shape around the neck, then they put the chain when they were puppies and forget they grew. So then the chain grew in their neck. Simple stuff, simple stuff. Let's gesture a few bones.

SPEAKER_04 20:33

Body was and then when they choke in it, they don't understand how I almost I almost accidentally killed my dog like that. I didn't know. I was I was feeding him like ribs and stuff. No, I it gets it gets even worse.

SPEAKER_09 20:45

Shaq, what happened? What face?

SPEAKER_04 20:48

I gave him like I gave her like chicken wings.

SPEAKER_09 20:51

And then Shaq feels like a bed giver. What happened in this?

SPEAKER_04 20:54

My step my stepsister was like, What the fuck are you doing? Like, what do you mean? Because this was during COVID. And then she went to a study to be a vet. She didn't continue, she just decided to do something else, but she has knowledge. She's like, but you're gonna kill your fucking dog. Yeah, the bones get stuck, it gets stabbed.

SPEAKER_09 21:12

I'm like it doesn't break down in their stomach.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_09 21:16

But for it, they didn't get a big thing. Poor baby.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Almost killed my own dog.

SPEAKER_09 21:19

I think she still gives my dog bones. Stop, dude.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Okay, so you so you were thinking he was thinking about it.

SPEAKER_05 21:24

No, but I don't see face was a giveaway. Shark.

SPEAKER_09 21:30

I cook rice for them and put like the bones and it like no, but then you got to pressurize your bones so that when you squeeze it, it it dissolves. You know, there does it come on, come on.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Let's be honest. Even you who's watching, you've also done this, alright?

SPEAKER_09 21:48

So don't be judging us. Many do it. Many do it.

SPEAKER_07 21:51

But this is the thing, thank God so easier again. You learn every day. Your dog is like, Dang god, now I can live.

SPEAKER_09 21:59

Look back. Them bitches like it though. Back in the days, that's what you used to do. I know my granddad would give my dogs um spare ribs boon. But those were like they get a fabulous dog. Yeah. These dogs nowadays is like they get more fabulous.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

My dog don't get fabulous.

SPEAKER_09 22:15

They get more fabulous. They choke in bones. What? No, my dogs.

SPEAKER_06 22:19

Come on. You know what we're busy with? Because we're eating together. We like we cooking up this food. And you better not to crack. Mama gonna give up. That's why I like my children because they black this black children. They understand. Like, hey, come on, eat a grizzle too. You got it. You got it. Yeah. Oh my god. Okay, I'm just gonna go. I'ma stop. I'ma stop. My mama's always telling me she'll be like, no, stop giving a dog. They could choke on it.

SPEAKER_09 22:46

They could choke on it.

SPEAKER_06 22:47

Girl, you're doing too much. Like, calm down. Mama's right. All this time. She really was right. Imagine all your dogs like all your dogs are like on camera.

SPEAKER_05 22:57

Oh my gosh, she's right in 4K.

SPEAKER_04 23:00

All your dogs look at you like wiggling their tail, like this motherfucker being bone again? Trying to kill me? Trying to kill him. I'll just smoke as long as we'll eat tomorrow.

SPEAKER_09 23:09

We refuse it. He won't feed us tomorrow. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 23:13

Don't give your dog bones. We learned that today. Okay, okay. I learned in COVID.

Adoption Rules And Real Accountability

SPEAKER_06 23:16

Shark learned today. So, Zoe, like, okay, so seeing this, what do you think that it's a good step for. I'm not saying Luna has to do it, but like it's a good step that should be there in general, that people should be, there should be like a requirement of before owning a pet, or like whether you get it or buy it, there needs to be like guidelines. Because I don't think everybody, just like anybody, everybody should not be a party. I don't think everybody should be uh but it's not yeah, but it's not common, common sense is not common, clearly. Yeah, I give my dog bones.

SPEAKER_05 23:52

Are you not following the conversation?

SPEAKER_03 23:56

I meant like water and like shelter.

SPEAKER_06 24:00

Yeah, but it's way more than that, clearly. Like, I mean, let's be let's be honest. Like, like Zoe just said, if we get sick, we go to the doctor, we have Azad Vay. But like, if your dog gets sick and you can't afford to take your dog to the vet, why are you having a pet? Because these things are required.

SPEAKER_09 24:13

That's it right there. Like when look, when did and I'm sure all other foundations, but I can speak only for Luna. Like this morning, one of our puppies got adopted. But there's questions that are asked. You had clothes because it ain't allowed to be on a chain. You got a little something put aside that if something goes wrong, you know you could take care of it. Don't tell me um, because it's have an adoption fee. It's 150 florins. Some people say, hello. Tanto, I can't afford a day. You can't afford a dog.

SPEAKER_08 24:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 24:46

Can't afford a dog. Because that ain't shit. That's nothing. You could go out and I eat more than that, 150 floral.

SPEAKER_04 24:52

That's like two months of dog food, then what?

SPEAKER_09 24:54

Yeah, then you come knock on my dog, we could help. It shouldn't be. And do I give my money back?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Here's the dog.

SPEAKER_09 25:02

Happens. Happens. Really? Yeah, happens. After a year, the figure is too much work.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

Did they ask for the money back?

SPEAKER_09 25:08

No, they bring the dog back.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 25:12

I got my dog because I was like semi-depressed. And I got it as like as a co. Emotional support. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I got my not my dad kept her. Yeah. Like, because I moved out and it's like, hey, that I'm like, yeah, fine. Because my my house doesn't have a yard. That's why she has to stay there.

SPEAKER_09 25:27

Yeah. Yard is a it's a must. Because this tying up dogs. Yeah. Yeah. It's a kuida kura. How is it taking care of your cura?

SPEAKER_02 25:34

It's on the chin.

SPEAKER_09 25:36

There's a only two meters out of anything over there, they can steal, but what?

SPEAKER_02 25:41

You can't even get to the front door.

SPEAKER_09 25:43

But it barks, it barks. But if someone wants to steal and they're smart, they just gotta pass and feed your dog every day.

SPEAKER_08 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 25:49

Throw something in the yard every day. It'll eat it. By time two weeks, if a bullet could run there, the dog will help them move your shit out. Over here, over here. You miss that. You miss that. That's what the simple stuff. So we have our uh rules, and I follow up. So you take my dog with you. I want to see where you live. Because you could tell me you live anywhere. You could show me a video, a picture, anybody host. I come in to see where my dog is, and after a few weeks, I come in back. I'm calling you to tell you I'm coming. I'm doing a little drive-by. Because I want to see if it's on a chain or not, how we're doing. You if what we agree with and you sign a contract. It's always my dog.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

And what do you do if if it's not treated up to your standards?

SPEAKER_09 26:38

I take it. Because the contract says it's always my dog. You're not allowed to sell it to no one else. You can't take care of it. You gotta hold on to it till I have room for it, and then it comes back home to me. Because I didn't rescue it for you to abuse it.

SPEAKER_08 26:52

True.

SPEAKER_09 26:52

Because then why did I put all the love and attention and work in it with my team so that you could screw it up and then what? Or cut it loose and throw it out on the street. No. They have microchips, so it can always find out who it belonged to and if it was one of mine. You gotta follow up. You can't just send them all.

SPEAKER_04 27:11

I mean, after a while. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Imagine you go like spend six hours going on.

SPEAKER_09 27:16

Oh no, I don't do people, remember? Don't follow mine.

unknown 27:20

Hey.

SPEAKER_09 27:21

Hey, Zoe!

SPEAKER_06 27:21

Don't talk to me. Where's the dog? Yeah, yeah. Cool. No, but honestly, like people are depressing. Like now that I'm like listening more and more, I'm like, why are us humans like this?

SPEAKER_09 27:31

Like some days I sit with the pigs and I'm talking to them. I'm like, I have a good bit of people I could feed on. A new food, because no.

SPEAKER_06 27:39

Now speaking of people to feed the pigs too. Do you feel like the government is doing a good job with stuff like this? Now I'm just playing.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

I'm just playing the pigs, dude.

unknown 27:51

I'm just playing.

SPEAKER_05 27:52

I'm just playing. Like, it was a joke.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Like, wait, what did you just say?

SPEAKER_05 27:56

It was a joke.

SPEAKER_07 27:59

Like, because you know how they are like, damn.

SPEAKER_09 28:06

It was a joke. The government now we're trying.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

Um, who's somebody you have to talk? Sorry, who's somebody you have to talk to that's like responsible for this?

SPEAKER_09 28:15

It's a few. Because Minister Dower is the main one. Dowers is the main one because the police has to start doing their do, partying boots. They have to start doing something.

SPEAKER_04 28:27

There's no Is there a law in place for this?

SPEAKER_09 28:29

The laws are there.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

It's not or it is.

SPEAKER_09 28:32

It is. But they don't enforce it.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

There was even like a guy who was running Kenny. I think he was a police. Kenny Montero. Kenny Montero. He legit, I think, stop being a police to run for the animals' rights and all this good stuff.

SPEAKER_09 28:43

Yeah, but it's a hard world, man. He was one person.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Was that even Aruba Aruba? So mentally that kind of wants to say, I'm the worry. I'm the guy just patrouilla. Stop. I'm doing this.

SPEAKER_09 29:00

I'm not gonna go this extra like bashing the boys in blue, or girls and ladies in blue. They have a lot going on. And there's a lot of animal abuse happening. So then they gotta choose. And even if they were to take away the pet, where they gonna put it? All can't come to Luna. They're building a new place at um what's that called? Um opposite the Balashi. What's that neighborhood called? The drive-in. Oh, okay. Not Mahoma, but in the in the no um Kanashita? No. No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 29:38

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 29:40

When you're going up and you have Balashia on one side, if you look on the other side, they'd have a new building coming up there. That's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 29:46

I see a bunch of white stuff, like big like blocks or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 29:50

No, this is a building, building self.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 29:53

It that's going to be the new, not animal shelter, but the new place for them when they take dogs to put them in there. The new new dog park.

SPEAKER_04 29:59

But it's not gonna be like a kill shelter, right? Like a kill, like a killer.

SPEAKER_09 30:02

Well, now that's the million dollar question.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

Because there used to be one.

SPEAKER_09 30:06

Yeah, but that closed down. Well, closed out that got remodeled. They're not, it's not a kill cage no more.

SPEAKER_04 30:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:11

The question with this one is, and that's my question that we don't have no answer yet. So I'm hoping they think about it.

SPEAKER_06 30:19

Ask it away.

SPEAKER_09 30:20

They have 80 cages, 80 dog cages, and I think they said 40 for cats. I could fill that in a day because I have over 80 cages at my sanctuary. I got 123 dogs. After that, what happens to them? At my place, they stay. I don't eutanize dogs. But if you have now a government building and you fill it with 80 dogs, how long are you gonna stay there?

SPEAKER_04 30:47

I think the priorities are so messed up because you want to create a whole new thing. Meanwhile, there's like 15 organizations already existing. Let me drink some wine. And you could have taken the funds and like Luna, you're gonna get 20k, Sergeant Pepper, you're gonna get 20k. Everybody gets 20k, but here's what you have to do. Here's a list of requirements for you to get 20. Here's the money. So why are we building a so we'll spend money on infrastructure? We're just like, but we don't have homes for the local. How about you just give foundations money that they can expand their playground, let's call it, and give better water like a water system where everybody gets their water filled out, like every like 30 minutes, a little sprinkler thing goes. I don't know. Just to make it better for you, make it better for Sergeant Pepper, make it better for everybody else. So that's that's my that was my first thought of you.

SPEAKER_09 31:56

They gotta start booting, man. You you gotta start so they wanna form uh a new team, not the police, the new the new group that they can go out and party boot. They're busy with that. I understand that's a project that's happening now, they're busy focused on that.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

Has that been happening for a while now? Because you know how things are in reverse. Then go beyond the camp beyond. Ah, sorry.

SPEAKER_09 32:20

Our meeting with the minister was about give it two, three months ago.

SPEAKER_08 32:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 32:26

I'm trying to have hope, trying to have hope that they're forming this group and something will happen. Because Minister Dower said, you know, I'm a man of my word and I'm gonna make it happen. All right, I repeating it. You're a man of your word and you're gonna make it happen, but it has to happen the right way. Not in favor of the humans, but in favor of the animals. Because we always everything goes in favor of the humans. You maltrata your base and you put it down or go to a foundation, and then the owner is skippy-doo da, and they're off, and by tomorrow they have another dog.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Actually, like, thanks. I was trying to get rid of that.

SPEAKER_08 33:01

You just helped me out.

SPEAKER_09 33:03

Help me out, now I can bring in a new one for free.

SPEAKER_04 33:06

So again, it goes back to like what I was saying, like this whole new building, which could be like an animal shelter, or we don't know what it is gonna be.

SPEAKER_06 33:12

Yeah, it has cages, but we don't even need more shelters clearly.

Government Gaps And Shelter Questions

SPEAKER_04 33:17

There's a lot of dogs need rescuing. Not just that, there's people who are already doing it and are passionate about it, so why not help them with the funding? Yeah, just like uh the Joffrey did the for the art uh agriculture. Hey, you can come and you know, we'll help you, blah, blah, blah. We'll find we'll fund your ideas. Take money and help.

SPEAKER_06 33:35

But the fact that we have this mindset so many, and they're all full. Yeah, that already tells you issues.

SPEAKER_09 33:44

We got a lot of foundations, but there are I think four that has animals. You have Aruba Animal Shelter, I believe they're like the smallest. They're what's the word? Subsidiered by the government. You have Sergeant Peppers, they have um cats and dogs, you have new life of paws, they have dogs mostly, a few cats, and then you got Luna that's like you said, it's a zoo.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

We have a off camera. I said it.

SPEAKER_09 34:16

Well, now you know, yeah, I know it's a fish. So it's four that has the main ones.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 34:23

And way back, well, what, two years ago, it was easier to send dogs to the US.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Yeah, they changed the I I even did that.

SPEAKER_09 34:32

I don't believe we have to do it, yes, but it's like you're moving our problem to somewhere where they have their own problems. Because they're killing their dogs by the thousands because they have so many. And then we send ours out there, but our people here not learning, so we just keep being part of the problem.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Yeah, nobody sterilizes their dogs, so all of them. I mean, you know Caroline from Boston, like she adopted two dogs, and and she has in Boston Aruba. She sends me, I've known Caroline for 10 plus years. Sends me videos of her dogs.

SPEAKER_09 35:09

They love them.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

Aruba dogs running in the snow.

SPEAKER_06 35:11

Yeah, jumping like crazy. Love dogs, love our dogs. No, but I get I get what you're saying. I we gotta start solving it. We're graceful for uh grateful for everybody that is actually doing it and you know, taking them abroad.

SPEAKER_04 35:24

I've taken some dogs abroad, like wasn't like hey, when you transporting, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:27

But then if you look at it, it's like the same thing like us adopting a dog from Venezuela. Yeah, what's the point if like there's dogs here to be rescued? You adopted a dog from Venezuela to bring it here while you have like a bunch of dogs wanting to be rescued and eating a house.

SPEAKER_09 35:42

So taking our problem and sending it there, you really do much because you say the right, the exact the right way. Because at times I say it and people say, Yeah, but now if people want the I get it. I don't mind if you my dogs are not going to a shelter in the US, they go to homes. I won't send none of my dogs to a shelter. They go to homes, you see it, you want to adopt it. All right, go to a foster home, then to a home. I have a team because Luna's registered in the US as well. I have a team in the US. So the same thing that happens here, they do the house checks there as well, do the follow-up, make sure everything is okay. But if you look at it in Aruba, you can't be bringing in a bunch of dogs from all over the place. They don't, it's not allowed. Imagine people from Puerto Rico, wherever we're sending their dogs here, and we have so many of our own hair that we're then putting down. It it doesn't it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, yeah. In the US, they're there's so many. In in um, I have a friend that lives in Tampa by the thousands, they're putting them down from puppies to big dogs to pit bulls, they're putting them down because they have nowhere to put them. You go down south in Texas, it's like here, the streets full of dogs, minge dogs, full of them. So it's not when the tourists criticize our island. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in your backyard, the same shit happening too, just that we're smaller here and it's supposed to be a one happy island, and you come here to see all these dogs on the street or these sick dogs. I get it, but Aruba can do better, man. We can do better than that.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

We should we should be doing way better. Aruga could be actually worse off if all these like still stuff didn't happen.

SPEAKER_09 37:23

Oh, it would have been like 10 times worse.

SPEAKER_04 37:27

So, although it is a problem right now, it's it's going less.

SPEAKER_09 37:31

It's a good progress. It's a good progress. Because look, you have a few out there that say, um, yeah, all these foundations, they they're fixing these dogs and putting them back on the street. But where do you want them to put them? Pack them where? There's nowhere to put them. But if they're not operating them on the street, then they're more being born on the street. So then you'll never get it under control. Luna focuses on operating on the property. I'm not messing with those on the street, because other foundations do that, like creo your trappers, and you got await, they do that. I'm coming in your yard to fix it because it starts in your yard. When they start breeding and getting all these puppies, puppies are mass cute mates.

SPEAKER_06 38:12

Everybody loves puppies.

SPEAKER_09 38:13

Tell they start getting some ticks and fleas and they mashing up your yard and chewing up, and then no sahabri kuranto laganang bai. Or we go from one barrio to the next barrier and we toss them out there.

SPEAKER_04 38:24

That's or to the beach.

SPEAKER_09 38:25

Drop them on the beach, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:27

When I live um in Moko, like with my cousins. One time somebody, no joke, dropped, remember I told you, dropped a box with poppies in front of our house. And me and my cousins were like, what the fuck are we gonna do with this? So we ended up taking care of the dogs, like, because they have a massive backyard.

SPEAKER_09 38:48

Yeah, they make their problems.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

And we already had three dogs. Now we have six.

unknown 38:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:53

At one point in my like, I used to have like 23 at my house. 23?

SPEAKER_09 38:58

How do you zoom? Is that right? Yeah, well, like 23?

SPEAKER_04 39:03

Because for some reason, all my dogs started humping at the same time.

SPEAKER_09 39:07

And everybody got pregnant.

SPEAKER_04 39:08

Everybody got pregnant.

SPEAKER_09 39:09

Whoa.

SPEAKER_04 39:09

And they were all getting like seven, six puppies each. Yeah, catch a video, you just get a lot. Next thing you know, there's like 20 little puppies. We had like five. Now there's 20 parties. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it. I would, I when I was like 11, 12, I would come from school. You know, like you just go in the backyard, lay down.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

Just lay down. It's like and they would all be, oh, it's a cute mess.

SPEAKER_04 39:30

We had like we had like nine cats, we had a fish, like a little aquarium. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_09 39:35

Look, if you can take care of them, yeah, bye.

Sterilization And The Stray Cycle

SPEAKER_04 39:38

Not with this economy not today. No more. I got one. That's good enough for that.

SPEAKER_09 39:42

By law, you're in Baba the Kum, you're allowed to have eight dogs. Um, you know, I got people that have 14, 15, 20, 25. They have a lot of them.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

I was right. I was at Baba to come, so I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 39:52

But that's and I feel like that's where we when we go back to like what we were saying about like these people in different barrios. You have Steamami Stadulisami, they're doing all like these sterilization jobs and they're putting them back on um out there and all that good stuff. But then you have these people that are like, nah, me catch you now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And their dogs are just walking all over because they don't have a yard, so their dogs are just like in front of their house. You walk in front of the house, the dogs are attacking you. Yeah, and then these dogs are not humping like all dogs, they're jumping into people that have a fence. The dogs are like jumping over and coming into them, throwing out their trash, and they're just having sex with all the dogs.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

Street dog humped my dog, they blew over the fence. I was pissed.

SPEAKER_09 40:34

When the female in heat the males become like superheroes, they can find every joke.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

I'm trying to find some that's like probably the height of this shelf a little bit higher behind you. Jumped in, humped my dog. I was not happy. My dad was like ace. I mean, I'm gonna be saw bailing stado. Huh?

SPEAKER_09 40:56

How?

SPEAKER_04 40:57

How? I mean no sound.

SPEAKER_05 40:59

She got kids, she got uh babies for him. Yeah. Can you not have abortion? Can dogs have abortion? Oh my god, I was throwing that away. What she would have had an abortion? My dog was not gonna have your dog is so beautiful for her to have dogs with like just who was he?

SPEAKER_04 41:18

Luckily, the dog, I have a husky, so luckily the dog kind of looked like a husk a little bit. So it wasn't that bad. The babies were nice. I I just I just gave them away to like some friends and family.

SPEAKER_06 41:31

No, it wasn't just my dog so what? Let me find a picture.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

I have a very, very pretty dog.

SPEAKER_06 41:37

It took so good care of my dog for you to hump my dog? Oh, absolutely not. No. Just before we forget, every Monday and Friday, it's no filter eats. Link in description so you can find out way more information.

SPEAKER_09 41:51

Wait, that's why you gotta get them fixed.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Yeah, no, I'm I'm getting mine fixed now. Mine's getting old, it has like like bone problems talking, you know.

SPEAKER_09 42:01

No, man. People think it's cute for them to have babies after baby, but you're you're killing your own dog that way. You're breaking them down. They get weaker.

SPEAKER_04 42:10

I never wanted her to have babies, period. Or maybe once, but I was gonna bring you another house. My dog died giving birth.

SPEAKER_06 42:16

Yeah, cruel. Yeah, I that's why from the that that happened. I was like, I my dogs are never having puppies again. Fuck that.

SPEAKER_09 42:24

You know, people believe, yeah, they have to, you got to let them get one. The first batch, that's what it does. That's how it happened. Stop it. They don't need to get no fur, just with five, six months to fix it. Done.

SPEAKER_06 42:35

Done. I wish like my my the dog I have now, the female dog I had now, I operated her. I was like, nah, bitch, we we're not doing this. It's too much. We're not doing this.

SPEAKER_09 42:44

We just pick up one from um in San Nicolas, pretty white, white dog was walking the street with a big, big belly. People got pissed. Yeah, but why not just let her have a no? We're not. She got her babies at my place. She got 12 to die 10. Imagine her having those on the street. Come on. But if I can abort them, um, I'm sorry. People might hate me for it. Too bad. If I can abort them, what do you do about it?

SPEAKER_06 43:06

What are they doing about it?

SPEAKER_09 43:07

Oh, cute.

SPEAKER_06 43:08

No.

SPEAKER_09 43:08

Oh cute, cute. No, no, because you you can't afford it. And the mentality, if you know you have a female dog, operation is it's for free. You don't even have to leave your house.

SPEAKER_07 43:21

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_06 43:22

It's for free where when they're under a certain age.

SPEAKER_09 43:26

Trusty mommy, it's the mommy covers it.

SPEAKER_06 43:28

When they're under a certain age, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 43:30

No, don't matter.

SPEAKER_04 43:33

I was about to go to the vet to pay.

SPEAKER_09 43:35

You're crazy. I didn't know. Guys, the mommy's the Lisaami, they're the ones powering it that day thing.

SPEAKER_04 43:44

But that's once-a year thing, right?

SPEAKER_09 43:46

Every day they do surgeries. They do it with um Kadwari, which is in Santa Cruz, and VSH in Puntun. And you have the hour clinic that is everyone. What is it? They do it like every few months. Our clinic in Tanky Linda, they power up, they bring in vets from the US and they do surgeries for free. Okay, so now you don't have to leave your home. They have transport, they come and they pick up your dog for you. You sign up, you tell them I can't do it. They come in the morning, they pick it up. You say you're home by four, they bring your dog back for you at four.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

Stop.

SPEAKER_09 44:21

You don't have to leave your ex still.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

I am texting my brother right now.

SPEAKER_09 44:25

Still, people don't want to do it. Still, it's too much work. Because you got those. I mean, but it's your damn dog. Someone's put it in my car.

SPEAKER_08 44:35

What?

SPEAKER_09 44:35

Alright, we figured it out. We got no transport. We come and we pick it up in the cage and we bring it back.

SPEAKER_06 44:40

Oh my God. But Zoe, okay. So what is this? I feel like I feel like we still don't have a solution.

SPEAKER_09 44:46

It's a mentality thing. Our island has to has to start realizing if you can't take care of your damn self, don't mess with no kind of animal.

SPEAKER_06 44:58

No responsibility.

SPEAKER_09 44:59

Get a plastic plant. You just sprout it with some water to keep the dust off it.

SPEAKER_04 45:04

Get a snake plant. So that will last even longer without water.

SPEAKER_09 45:07

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 45:08

Pero so you said there's one other foundation that gets subsidies from the government. Do you get any subsidies on the government? So you're fully funded by donations.

unknown 45:16

Stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

And what about searching peppers?

SPEAKER_09 45:22

Except for. But they get donations here and there as well.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

But yeah, but but but they get an X amount per month from the government.

SPEAKER_09 45:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Why? I don't want to rough any fetters over here right now. I don't know. Why do they get like uh some money and you guys don't I don't know. And how long have they been around?

SPEAKER_09 45:38

They're the longest. They exist what 40 years? I think they just made 40 years. Okay. So I'm guessing that's like an old school regime. They fell under the government because they were the only ones back then. So that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 45:49

Okay. Okay, so now I take back. Okay. Because I'm like, if you say like, oh, they started three years ago, I'm like, nah, no, no.

SPEAKER_09 45:55

They're the oldest ones.

SPEAKER_04 45:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 45:56

And that's why most people know where they are, centrally located. The ladies do their, they do their do. They do they do good work.

SPEAKER_04 46:02

Maybe the government should have like, okay, see, we got DS Any, but we'll apply subsidy. Because like then you like, okay, 10 years you're serious.

SPEAKER_09 46:08

Then you're legit.

SPEAKER_04 46:09

Yeah. Because otherwise, people like, it's kind of saying that.

Betsy The Cow And A Vision

SPEAKER_09 46:15

Because you got a lot of them registered, but I don't know who they all are. I know the bigger ones. You have low-key ones that do their do here and there without being in publicity. But yeah, then if you're doing two, three dolls, maybe, and you got your job, you can finance it on your own. But if you got over a hundred, my husband would hang me up to dry if it is that he has fine animals.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

Well, you have 127, so what are you gonna do?

SPEAKER_09 46:36

Hey, no, we're not doing it. I got over 200 animals, including all the other ones, not just the dogs.

SPEAKER_04 46:41

Can you list them?

SPEAKER_09 46:43

Dogs, cats, dogs, cats, rabbits, pigs, goats, turtles, tortoises. I just had a turtle, but it got adopted, and my Betsy the call.

SPEAKER_04 46:53

I saw that on Facebook. At this point, I was like, nah, this is a zoo now. This is not a this thing.

SPEAKER_06 46:58

She added Betsy.

SPEAKER_09 47:00

No, Betsy was my thing. Betsy is my because I'm a farm girl, man. People see me and they don't get it, but I'm a farm girl. I'm a bootin to my core. I love the the the and it may sound gross, but when they when they poop the the mini this this it has a relaxing, not the dog shit though, not that. Yeah, no. The goats and the cows, they it because maybe they eat all that grass and it has a farmy. The farmy stuff, yay! I've always associated that with the relaxed vibe. Because when I go back home to Holland, I Aruba's home, but Holland is also home. I always go to a farm and I help them out because it's peaceful. Back to back to basic.

SPEAKER_04 47:47

It's quiet, no distractions. It's like one focus. Like grab this, pour it over, grab that, take care of the city.

SPEAKER_09 47:53

You can brush them, you use it.

SPEAKER_06 47:54

And there's so big in Holland about taking care of it because my sister, my cousin took me to Shalta Ashmiani. She took me to a farm, and you could pet them, you could give them the little cheat milk. And though like the acres and acres and acres that you think have to like run around, and it's like breed, you good. Yeah. And then they have like a little thing where they have like uh tosties if you want to buy and you know, eating.

SPEAKER_09 48:17

I'm trying to make the haven like that. Okay. That's what I'm trying to do.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

I can fuck with that so we can come in and like just chill.

SPEAKER_09 48:24

Spend the days, yeah. Our property is big. I'm trying to make it a bit bigger.

SPEAKER_08 48:31

That's that's huge.

SPEAKER_09 48:32

Because then Betsy and the goats and everyone, we close it up, they can walk free.

SPEAKER_08 48:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 48:36

Okay, Aruba's never gonna be as green as Holland is. Of course not. But they adapt, you put their their grass and their whatever, their hay and stuff, and they'll be fine. And people can come in because Betsy's pulling a crowd, eh? People that never heard about Luna that don't give two shits about that. We have dogs.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

They got a cow, let's go.

SPEAKER_09 48:56

Luna team, Luna team back about You know Luna with the dogs, and you never, never, never dropped nothing on my Facebook page. Now all of a sudden, ski being walking back. But like, you know, I got dogs too, right? No, if it don't ski being walk bets, all right, all right.

SPEAKER_05 49:12

Okay, it's all good.

SPEAKER_09 49:16

Wait for it. Wait for it.

SPEAKER_06 49:18

So I love that. I love that, and I feel like me just thinking about it now, that could be your entryway into um changing the mindset.

SPEAKER_08 49:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 49:34

I feel like that is that gives people the hands-on field of it from it's one thing for people to say something to you, but when you physically there and you actually do it and you feel it and you feel it, and you're like, oh, okay, wait, no. Damn, like this is that amount of you know, all these dogs.

SPEAKER_09 49:51

Because people think it's like in their head, it's n'takun me steady handy. But what do you need all these people for? Because it's just a few dogs. They believe we clean our cages like once a week. Really? I got so many dogs, I gotta clean my cages every day. You clean your house, you keep your house clean, you don't flush when you use your toilet. So, how am I gonna let my dogs be in their shit in their cages? Yeah. Come on, you gotta it's a scrub don't, you gotta rinse, you gotta it's work. Betsy, Betsy, what should she just let out their dad die and so funny? Yeah, got to be cleaned up every day, too. The goats, all of them, all the pens have to be cleaned. And like the shit.

SPEAKER_06 50:33

You don't sell this to like well, Betsy.

SPEAKER_09 50:36

We're gonna make a business out of Betsy.

SPEAKER_06 50:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 50:38

Because fertilizer. They used to have a cow um in Hato. And the school messaged me, one of the kids, and she said, Zoe, you know you could save Betsy's poop, put it aside so it could dry, and you could sell a bag, seven florins, cause it's fertilizer. I like hippie. Uh-huh. Okay. Can't do it with the within somebody's full-time job. Because the dogs is a whole other something.

SPEAKER_06 51:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:01

But with the farm, and yeah, I'm like, and the goats too. The goats too. Yeah. Rabbits too.

SPEAKER_06 51:06

Really? Oh, them bitches just eat healthy for two to yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:09

And them shit like champions. They could shit. What walk and shit? Yeah. Like bitch campus up. Yeah, and I got 25 of them. So you got money, baby. You got money, come, scrub them things up.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

Stock market, not shit market.

SPEAKER_09 51:24

We got the shit market.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

Don't you break that shit?

SPEAKER_09 51:28

Because I what I want is for the sanctuary to become that it can take care of itself.

SPEAKER_06 51:35

Self-sustainable.

SPEAKER_09 51:35

I don't do this. I'm not one the PDPD. You gotta keep begging and asking and asking and kissing ass to bring in money to feed them. I can't. I do it because we have to, else we won't survive. But I hate it. I want us to be able to stand on our own. If I croak tomorrow, I need to know all my animals are good. That they don't need my face to go out and talk to this one and that one and that one and bring in money. No, that we have our own thing happening there. We can deal it ourselves.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

You know what you just you just said just now, and it made me think like, imagine, God forbid, you know, something happens to you, and then donate.

SPEAKER_09 52:20

Yeah, but I'm dead.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Exactly. My point. Like, you gotta do it. Do it like that. And everyone's like, we always want to honor people after they pass.

SPEAKER_09 52:26

How about you do it now? Do it now. You don't need to honor me. Do it for the animals. People say, yeah, it ain't tantup, they're not mine. All these animals are Ruba's animals, they're not mine. I'm I'm saving them because the owners fail them, but they're not mine. Mine are at home. I got eight dogs at my home. They're mine. Those I take care of, those I signed up for. These I was forced to take them so they weren't put down. All right, Betsy was a different story. Betsy was some women asked their husband for shoes and all that kind of stuff. Me, I wanted a car.

SPEAKER_06 52:55

Story. Betsy was a rescue, or Betsy was like uh I won. Oh, you legit buy her.

SPEAKER_09 53:02

Betsy was paid for.

SPEAKER_06 53:03

Stop the whole thing.

SPEAKER_09 53:03

Hey, they come at me on Facebook. Stop it. If you don't know how the story goes, you should just shut the hell up. You know, people like a bomb.

SPEAKER_06 53:16

No, I could imagine you're saying shit like that.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

What was the story? What was if we can talk about it?

SPEAKER_09 53:23

I wanted a pig, a pig. No. I wanted to pigs I'm going to. I wanted a cow.

SPEAKER_08 53:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 53:28

I've always wanted a cow. In Holland, it's not that easy to have them. And here was at the vet a day and talking to the vet. And I said, you know, all my farm, little farm missing is a cow. And I love the scent. He said, No, but some me omo thing back and okay. Then the omo started selling them out and they messaged me.

SPEAKER_04 53:54

Technically, then she rescued the cow. Because sometimes in Aruba, when they sell the cow, they sell to the butchers to go die. So technically, Zoe did save.

SPEAKER_09 54:04

I saved it from not ending up on someone's plate.

SPEAKER_04 54:07

Use her own money to save the car from going to the butcher.

SPEAKER_09 54:11

And she's pregnant. So I saved two lives.

SPEAKER_04 54:14

Here you go. Happy hour. Tiffany.

SPEAKER_09 54:16

And I fulfill my childhood dream. Full circle moment.

SPEAKER_04 54:20

All the haters, like, well, anchor look, see me not comprel, and nobody mate.

SPEAKER_09 54:24

Yeah. So and that's what I put under this person's comment. I'm like, you can see it how you want. But as that, I paid money for it, but I paid money to stop it from ending up on your plate. So it's a rescue. It's just not one that I gotta be all abused for me to bring it in.

SPEAKER_06 54:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:42

I brought it in and she can live out her life here.

SPEAKER_06 54:44

But and the thing is, like, when we go back to like it being a full circle moment, look at how Betsy brought attention back to Luna Foundation. So what we do in a whole different light. So it was like, oh, y'all want to come for the for the fantasy? Sure. While I have you here, let me just show you all of this exactly.

SPEAKER_09 55:04

Yeah, because you're coming in to just touch bets. You know, you're getting the whole tour. You see everything first, walking up. And we go end it by bets. That's the dessert.

SPEAKER_06 55:13

We end it by bets.

SPEAKER_09 55:16

Betsy don't want everybody touching us. So you could stand up and you could watch her. And you want to snap a picture, you do your little selfie, whatever do you do, but that you know Waluna stands.

SPEAKER_06 55:26

And charge them for like a carrot. If they want, give her a carrot.

SPEAKER_09 55:29

They could bring like charge the acid.

SPEAKER_06 55:31

Yeah, charge.

SPEAKER_09 55:33

Give me a chance. Give me a chance. Yeah. An entrance fee.

SPEAKER_04 55:39

That or like charge them like to buy food and then just go around like giving those.

SPEAKER_09 55:42

Yeah, like how the donkey sanctuary does.

SPEAKER_06 55:45

Philip also does that.

SPEAKER_09 55:46

Philip, too, five gills. Yeah, here you go. Okay, you want to feed feed who you want to.

SPEAKER_06 55:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 55:51

Because we even thought about it with the dogs. People just want to want you have treats so we can the dogs can warm up to us. Okay, you could get the bag for five gills. We ain't fooded in yet, but step. Stop. Come on. Let's go. Let's go.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

Because you said yourself, like, you don't want to go around begging people. So, like, you have like I and at the end of the day, people might say, like, ah, what about the cobaro, this is not free. Yeah, like the water's not free, the food's not free. Nothing's free. Thank good, thank God for people that like donate. And I have friends from the states, like Caroline included, that come down from the states with suitcases, like full of stuff. Caroline brings stuff for me, like from the states sometimes. And this is for you, and it is all for Zoe. Like a big ass bag with toys. And I love it.

SPEAKER_09 56:33

The tourists, they they bring, because people always say, yeah, if we order on Amazon, what happens? How does it get to Aruba? It doesn't come to Aruba, it goes to one of my girls in the US. They pack the buddy bags, that's why I call them because the damn bag's big. And then online you put, is there a tourist that would want to bring it down? And they bring it. That's how we get our stuff. If you want to donate, because we're a 501 in the US, which means tax deductible, everyone that donates, they get a letter. If you want to let you get a letter, and you take it off from the ballasting. Aduba doesn't have that.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

Makes him want to go to the station buy it twice.

SPEAKER_09 57:06

When I go to the States, hey, I come back with bags full. They always pull me over at the airport. Five bags.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

What is this?

SPEAKER_09 57:13

Half of the bag, one bag may have stuff for me. Everything else is dog stuff. Everything is dog stuff.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

What would you buy for Betsy?

SPEAKER_09 57:21

I want to give her a bell. But I'm wondering if I'm wondering if that bell is not gonna drive her crazy when she walks at the hotel.

SPEAKER_06 57:30

But okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 57:32

When and we put it out, yeah, when we can expand, because we're working on it and she can walk free. Then I'll put a bell so I can know where she is. Then all the goats, because we got seven goats, all the goats will get a bell too.

SPEAKER_06 57:44

Oh god, that no, then it's gonna wild. Then they out they're all doing this.

SPEAKER_09 57:49

People could come in and they could walk around, do walk through nature, because we're I mean, we're in nature, you know where we are. We're in nature.

SPEAKER_04 57:56

They can't only been there one time, a long time. I've never been.

SPEAKER_09 57:59

He's been uh he's been on my webpage for so long.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

I didn't think she'll remember. I used to have hair.

SPEAKER_09 58:07

That's how wild he was he's walking and you still got contact with Stacey or no more?

SPEAKER_04 58:12

With with Stacy Hassel? Stacy. No, that's a fact. Um from Quant.

SPEAKER_09 58:17

From the UK, no, from the UK. She's the one that had put up the whole drone thing with you guys walking way, way, but way back.

SPEAKER_08 58:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 58:24

And I went online and I'm looking at it, I'm like, but wait a minute.

SPEAKER_04 58:29

This is and not even realizing that it's supposed to say that's the one that went to a commercial shoot or something.

SPEAKER_09 58:38

Yeah, yeah. That's when we were promoting the Haven and building the webpage. So it was a long time ago. Long time. Is it still there? 2017, 2018. I think we froze it this month. We they stopped it because they're rebuilding the web page.

SPEAKER_00 58:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 58:51

I think, but all those years it was there, it was there. Walking in the mundi, yeah, with his Luna shirt on. Like, ah wow. Way back, way back.

SPEAKER_04 59:01

Hey, we're doing this for it. And I I think we weren't being paid. Like it's just a foundation thing. It's for uh cool, let's do it. Yeah, every now and then I like doing these things.

SPEAKER_06 59:09

Yeah, I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_09 59:10

Don't worry, I'm gonna hook you in for one. Yeah, you say less.

SPEAKER_06 59:13

Yeah, we talked about going. We wasn't we wasn't good this afternoon, actually. Saturday Saturday, it was like, okay.

SPEAKER_09 59:18

Just come by and when whenever you come back. We got bigger dogs nowadays, we got big, big dogs.

SPEAKER_05 59:24

Tiger, yeah, it's in fact. Try to tell me, don't come. No, no, but sweet.

SPEAKER_09 59:29

All my dogs that I have to have sweet dogs because I got a lot of kids that come to the sanctuary. We got schools that come in or scouting.

SPEAKER_06 59:36

No, but I want I want, especially now, knowing like what you what like everything that you just say, I won't come and won't scope it out. Like, I could see the vision for that being just like a chill out, come get some coffee if you want to. We set it up to this inside.

SPEAKER_09 59:50

Yeah, maybe we setting it up to have a little store and a little coffee thing. Set in the city.

SPEAKER_04 59:55

Have a little talk to Gino from Keda Keto, have a little ice cream, a little freezer.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:00

Because we have a lot of tourists that come, a lot of tourists up with their kids. Like I said, the schools come, the special needs. We've even had um retirement homes that come in with the old folks and they can sit and cuddle with the puppies. It's it's good for your soul. We work, I told you, with with stichting junto, they come in from the rehab, they come in, and it's it's a moment away from it all. They come and they just let go and they work, and whether they do chapia, they deal with the dogs, it's good, it's good for your soul, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:32

I love that. I love that. I think we need more of we need more of these things. I think we need to have more of these conversations because a lot of things I just learned today. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:45

What's the biggest issue you're you're dealing with right now at the Haven?

SPEAKER_09 1:00:51

Humans. Um, I don't have enough. I don't have enough volunteers. We're in a a different world now. No one wants to do stuff from the heart. Everyone wants a salary. Yeah, no one wants to give back. So I'm I'm short on volunteers. That's why I work seven days. But it's all good. I have people that I pay now. I got volunteers and I got people on loan deals. Because the dogs, the all animals, they need to be taken care of. I leave here and I go back up to work because there are only two running the shift.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:27

This could be like maybe an ad for them because we don't know who's watching. So what is a list of or what is what does your volunteers need to do, and how often do you need them? Like how what does that look like?

SPEAKER_09 1:01:41

It's what people want to give. Look, I can tell you a shift is five hours. But if you have two hours a week, two hours a month, you can show up. A shift can be anything, it can be you coming in to help clean cages, it could be you coming in to socialize with a dog that's scared. If you're a cat person, you deal the cat you. If you want to come and do the farm animals, clean those up away from the dogs, you can do that. You want to take a dog for a walk, you can come in and do that too. You want to come in and plant, you can do that. You're good in chappying, come. You're a carpenter, help me fix my cages.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

Plant plants because they'll die.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:20

No, because I'm I'm just thinking about this now that you're meant, you're like listing everything. I feel like again, and I don't think it's your it's it's your fault. I think it's just the communication of it all shows that if we look at if I if I'm just thinking right now about my friends and stuff like that, like the different levels of of all people, people are really going through it. Like people are like mentally drained, they're like very much like on the depression line and all this good stuff. And you're offering this as uh therapeutic thing, therapeutic thing. This is just oh, just come, you know what? Come and walk a dog. Like, yeah, that's all I need from you. Like, just walk a dog, or you know what? Just come chill with what whatever. Just do you know mentally what that is for yourself? Like, forget the dog respectfully, but for yourself, do you know what that is to have like like an hour to just like sit there and just put your phone away, just knock it all off, shut out the outside.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:21

Buddy, yeah, like it's not even your response.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

You can leave.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:24

You live, you leave this walk behind and you go and take what you need, you fill your soul with what you need, and you're good. That's great. You can walk in the mundi, you can take it to the beach, you can just sit.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:37

Try goes to the beach every day. I do. Pick up one of those dogs, go to the beach.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:40

Come with your little coffee or your whatever, you can just sit. Go sit with the rabbits if you want to. It's still the same location, right? Same location. And I'm in my hometown. I'm in San Nicolas. People always say, You're located where? Okay, now I don't put it out there.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

Wait, what? Luna is in San.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:56

I'm in San Nicolas.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:59

When I found out like I have to drive where?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:02

What? It's not out there because this is how our island mentality is. If you when you go to Google it to find it, it sends you somewhere else. Because if I put online where we are, they come and tie up their dogs at my gate.

unknown 1:04:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:17

It used to be on online for a month. We had it online. And in that month, every Monday morning, I come in and there's a different dog or a batch of puppies. They tie them up on my gate. So we took it off. The pin sends you somewhere in Brazil. Yeah, you gotta call me. And then I question you why you want to know how, what, to, do, top, and then I send you the location. But we're in San Nicolas.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:42

Oh god, I never knew that.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:44

I brought it to my hometown. Because we used to be in Dakota. I always wanted to do something for my hometown.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:50

Okay, you see, I know I'm not crazy. I feel like I remember Luna Foundation being somewhere else. Because I feel like Janidi used to go a lot. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:56

Yeah. In Dakota, she used to go.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:59

Okay, now I know I'm crazy. Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:02

Yeah, no. Dakota she used to come help with the puppies.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:04

Oh my god, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:06

And then we must have said, but who more in San Nicolas than her now?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:10

Hey, hey, bah!

SPEAKER_09 1:05:12

Uh, so you she here I know she's hearing me. Yeah, who more in San Nicolas now?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:17

Anyways, um, we're gonna drag it. But go ahead. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:22

I was gonna ask why the name Luna.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:24

Luna was um one of our first rescues. A dog from Zayweg. Um, for over she was being bred silly. She was more dead than alive. Um, a fila. She weighed next to nothing. She was skin and bones. Kenny Monteiro, because he's one of my friends, he's the one that took her away from um from that house. The head of the Cut Foundation, Geraldine, and her husband, they took her in. They adopted her. I think Luna died now, maybe three, could be four years ago. And because she was the first. Rescue that I did that I noticed how bad abuse is. That's how I started the foundation. In her name, for dogs that suffered, like how she suffered, or even worse. That's why I said and the logo shows it's her silhouette, but with the moon in it as well. But it's her face with the heart as the nose.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:28

Oh my gosh, people be so cruel.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:31

Yeah, our island, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:33

I don't know much again, what I said earlier. I'm not so deep into this, so I don't know. I could be clueless. So I don't go and dabble in other things. So I thank God for this show. Otherwise, I would have not learned about this. I would have not learned about Sichting Huntu or any of the you know tourism stuff that's happening on Aruba.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:55

Clearly, it's not just you though, it's like everybody else watching as well. I know. Everyone is busy with their own world.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:02

You're being lived instead of you're living. So you're doing, you're going with the flow, going with the rat race. And I don't I try not to even expose my team on the level of abuse that I see. I take the blows for it, and then I bring them in, and they then they help me take care of them. But I'm the one that takes them away. So I'm exposed to it. I exposed my son to it once, and I regretted that up to today. Because it's not something you it it changes you.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:30

Yeah. Can you give us some examples? I was about to say I only I only ask because people who are watching or listening, they're like, okay, what they mean, that's like the cena err.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:40

My worst case, and people would think that the Khaleesi case was my worst case because it got so much publicity.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:46

But my worst case was a dog named Amazon, um, from San Nicolas, where Elmar used to be opposite. We were called by the neighbor that there was a dog in there crying with Kenny. We showed up and we bypassed the dog because I didn't realize it was the dog. And then the lady said, No, it's patrasni cast me take a trash. It wasn't there. We come back, it was it was like a rock rolled up and it had um maggots crawling out of it, and it was alive. She said, I'm like, lady, this dog hasn't been walking for days if maggots are coming out of it. We had to put it down, we picked it up, we took it to the vet. But come on. For me, that always stayed engraved that you're walking in your yard and you're bypassing your dog, there's maggots coming out of it, so it's dying from the inside, and you just let it be. And then you say to me, It's a canando, and come on. That was my worst case. The Khaleesi got it went wild because people like to look over. Well, because the owner didn't take his responsibility. That's why it exploded. If he had taken ownership, it would have got in lockdown. It wouldn't have blown up like that. But everybody, it was everyone else's fault but his, and yeah. And if you're gonna come at me, you gotta come good. Because if I gotta come back at you, shit goes out. And he blamed me for it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

I'm not doing that for myself. Don't go after us, all we unless you're really up here. She's gonna go by the house, how's Bailey doing? Oh, she's good. Okay, that's let me go find something else.

Cruelty Cases And Online Backlash

SPEAKER_09 1:09:28

But the the people think that abuse happens on the street. Yeah, we got dogs being poisoned now a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:36

So that happened to one of my cousin's dogs. Yeah, like something, somebody outside, I don't know what happened, but they killed one of my one of those six dogs. I went to the house the other day. Yo, where's Paco?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:48

Man, they fucking killed like that's the white one in front?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:51

No, he's still alive. Oh, okay. He almost he almost died because of a sapo or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:56

People, there's look. And it's song we but I get there comes a moment that people get fed up.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:04

As like the farmers, they have the dogs that are killing their animals. So they're blaming them that they're the ones poisoning. But people have been poisoning our dogs for forever. You got the same dog coming in and destroying your your your yard and your plants and and your put a little bowl of food there, throw a little bit of poison. Then they get rid. If they talk to you as an owner to do something, and you're like, uh whatever. There comes a day that you fuse bowler, and yeah, you shouldn't take matters into their own hands. Yes, because no one is listening, no one is doing nothing. It's not right. I don't condone it, but it happens.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

Yeah, my daymates don't tie their dogs.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:46

Keep your dogs on your property. You don't have a close yard, don't have a dog.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:10:51

If you gotta tie it, the tie out has to be long enough. It has to be by law, it has to be at least teenmated. It has to be long enough so it can move around. I don't believe in tying dogs, but having it on the street and getting hit by car, destroying people's car, and all this weird shit that you keep hearing. Make it your responsibility.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:12

We're also in a whole different era. Like, okay, cool. You don't want to tie your dogs because there's people that are like, nah, I don't think it's it's in me to tie your dog. Fine, don't tie your dog. Palette is free. At least create like an area for the dog to just palette and baton mat. Yeah, this is your space. You know, you can be free in here, and then you know, you take your dog out, you take your dog for your walk, and then you put them back in there.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:34

Easily.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:35

Fine.

SPEAKER_09 1:11:35

Two you get beton mat and you can cut it, and it's what 50 gillas, I think, for one piece. You can two pieces, 100 florins, palette for free, some screws. Hey, you can't pay for screws. I should have you put something on Facebook. King Ting unparty scruf kum taus. You shouldn't have the damn dog, but hey, it's a mentality thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

What are your thoughts about people that like train their dogs, like at the ka, eight more day?

SPEAKER_09 1:12:01

Like, I pray someday the dog buys their ass.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:05

I'll clip that part.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:07

Clip it because come on. Look, you don't have to be beginning of the video. You don't have to train your dog to be aggressive. Yeah, if you treat your pet the right way, it will always protect you.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:21

I got eight dogs.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

I got one of my own dogs.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:23

I don't have to train them. Try stepping in my yard. You better call the police and the ambulance before you step in. They tear you up. I didn't train them. Home is home. They protect what's theirs. Their packs. You're part of their packs. They'll always protect you.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:37

I used to have a dog, I think I told you my one dog that killed my other dog. One, I never told you. One of my steps. She's like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_09 1:12:46

I'm with you.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:49

So I had different dogs. I had like chihuahuas and bull master and everything. And the bull master was a female, very attached for some reason to me.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:56

They'd be like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:57

And the chihuahuas was barking and barking and barking.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:59

I'm like, what chihuahuas? I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:02

I and I'm like, stop. But like I yelled, and the bull master was next to me. She saw it, got up, grabbed the chihuahua from the side. This dog was big. Grab the whole.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:13

Yeah, just shake it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:14

Top toop, and it's into the ground, ripped his whole body. Oh it was bad. I was I was like this shaking. I went to I went to my dad, I went to my stepsister. I said to my sister, hey, your dog is killing my dog. So go handle it. I'm going to gusto. I was in shuse I was in shock. I have never since that time, I was afraid of having my dog near other dogs. It's like it's almost like uh it's a trauma. Yeah. So like I was like, I went to Gusto. Peter was like, Are you okay? I was like, white, and was like shaking the whole time. Like, skimmy three eager bombs for who? Me. Like, and yeah, we took the dog to the vet. The duck didn't survive. Like, it stayed there for a while, but then it just died there.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:55

But like, it goes back to what you're saying. Like, dogs are calm, but if they feel like their owners are being threatened or attacked, like they defend.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:02

But chihuahuas are different, no? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:04

Yeah, but I'm talking about the bullmaster was the one that liked me.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:07

Yeah, but chihuahuas can trigger because of the barking. I have a little chihuahua at home. It's not mine, it's the rescue that I'm looking for owner for it. A little small little thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:17

I got bigger dogs, crioles, but they're all big. And I let her run, but I gotta stay there. Because I know when she starts with that, it sets them off.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:27

And the first one that's gonna get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:28

The big one.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:29

She's gonna go, they're gonna go at her. They're gonna finish out.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:34

Eliminate the sources. Or even if the maleman is coming in, his scooter sets them off. If she were to be out, they do that whole routing up there. They'll grab her. They turn on each other for you don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:49

This is good information. Because like my wife is like, she wants to get a dog really bad. And my sister has two chihuahua. I'm telling you, they're the size of a rat. They're like they're so nuts. They're like so tiny. So I'm like, all right, I almost got her one for her birthday, but they tried to mate in Holland. My cousin was gonna bring her bring her down like a few months after. Didn't work out because the mating thing happened. But uh thank God, because now I'm gonna use this story. Like, hey, we can get a chihuahua.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:13

Yeah, no, I'm sorry. Don't like small dogs. I'm not team small dogs at all.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:18

I don't they grow on, they grow on you. Because I had nothing with chihuahuas, and now I've rescued a few because even those get ill-treated. I've rescued a few, and I see what the fascination they're tiny. You can stick them in a little bag.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:31

She wants she wants it because she she can travel with.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:34

Yeah, they're easier to take everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:36

Why do you want to travel with your dwarf? Thank you. That's my argument. I don't why.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

I don't have responsibility when I travel. Like, what is that? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:43

If you're traveling to take it to somebody else over there, like what I did. Best hack ever. If you're traveling, I got free shit on the plane. I got bumped up. Like the ladies, the flat dance. Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:55

Is it cute? Kiko, bro. I was like, children or chuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:59

No jumps on the bottom. I was passing this dog around. I don't want none of the two. I don't want the responsibility. Taking turns. Yay. Next to me. The dog was like five seats in front of me, just hanging out. All right.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:10

You go with a dog. 17.8.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:11

Yeah, over here.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:12

Go with a dog and walk with your little business card with your your your merch and hand it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:18

I'm telling you, when you're traveling, I was getting free. I was making jokes. Can I get a vodka? Sure, how many? I was getting free stuff on the plane the whole time. Best travel hack.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:30

I used to take puppies to the US and from on the airport it starts.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:36

A drink for the late.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:37

I'm like, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:39

Because the puppy's so puppy's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown 1:16:42

Huh?

SPEAKER_09 1:16:42

The first one I thought, this is how this works. Oh, say L.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:49

I was like, it's trust me, Shrek. Do it one, do it one time.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:54

Luna Foundation, you need somebody to travel out and sign up for the travel party. But you know what's most up though?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:59

Like there, there is, I've seen various like segue over here. I've seen like drug dealers use puppies to attract tourists on the beach so they can sell.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:07

Yeah, that happens here.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:09

Yeah. Yeah. But that's how a lot of people are.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:10

And then when a dog has too big, in general use that good puppies. Dogs and babies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:16

That's the the oh, cute. And then you lock people in.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:19

But how many dudes they used to? They would post it on TikTok. This guy with his leash, and he's calling a dog in the park. He didn't walk in with no dog. But all the females are coming to him and oh, you lost your dog. And he handed out his card with his phone number. Just in case you can't. And he's like, maybe it ran back home. There's no dog. He just hitting on the lake. That's how he scores. Dogs? Dogs?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:39

I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:40

You're married. Don't you don't need to do that?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:42

Yeah, you don't need that. You don't need to be a baby. I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:46

Dogs and babies.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:47

No, I know. Dogs I knew.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:48

Guys, borrow the sister's kid. Yeah. Walk in the park.

unknown 1:17:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:54

It's my sister's. I'm not gonna lie. I did it one time with my like when I was in Marvel.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:58

It's all coming out.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:59

I'll tell my my my little nephew when he was in airs like, hey, being being missing with the muta munch kid.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:05

Oh, I want to munch kid.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

No, it's a mean much. Different era, different time. We used to have hair. I used to have my time at Lumina one time.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:16

We're not mad at that. We don't want to see those pictures because four.

Free Spay Neuter And Campaigns

SPEAKER_04 1:18:24

Is there anything else we need to know that's important or people should know?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:28

People should what is what is what your one take back that you feel like everybody should know or should take from away from this conversation today? Spay and neuter looking to the space.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:42

It's a local thing where no, we don't operate the male dogs. No, no, imagina. Oh, I'm not the low of bo opere um itabira marikun. That's what they say. I'm like, wait, by taking away is Nazi turn gay? Where when did that happen? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:18:56

Shark still has balls.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:57

What are y'all talking about?

SPEAKER_09 1:18:59

Come on. How? When when guys get a vasectomy, do they turn? Does it that's not how it works?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:06

The mentality here is insane. Crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:09

Or if it's a female, so you your woman has how many babies then? So every nine months she's pregnant with another one? How does that work? So spay and neuter, spay and neuter your pets. It's for free.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:25

I just learned that today.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:27

Your animal lives longer. They live longer. Healthier. If you overfeed it, it's gonna be that gordo. When you operate on them, you gotta you give them less food. They don't, they don't, they're not that hungry. Big ass bowl of food, and you wonder why it got fat. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:44

No bones, though. No bones. And to me, I find after the operation, the dog just get healthier. Yeah, like for example. They eventually get more muscles. They're stopped. Like when I saw my female dog, like after the operation, they just they bloat in the right ways, the right places. They're stronger, they're faster, they're a lot more energy.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:05

They're not looking to try and escape your property to because they're in heat or yeah, no, that heat's. They come from a whole different two, three streets down. They smell that a dog is in heat. You got a whole paranda in front of your house.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:19

Bunch of dogs. All the whole fixed like two. The males as well. No, because they it's I don't know what sense they get, but it's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:29

They lose their mind. You see them crossing the street, and they don't even know cars coming. They all they see is the female behind it, boop, and that's how they get picked up. They lose it. Your male dog goes out running, come back home, Malbati, you know. It went behind with a JJ somewhere, got his ass whipped.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:48

And she's in here, so she wants to like give it up too.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:52

Some of them don't, some of them don't, some of them don't of them are all up in the corner trying to protect themselves, but you can't you can't get away from it. Wow, operate them. I'm doing male and female operate. Steamami still, Sammy. You go on their page, you register, you put which vet you want is you want, do it, and you like you get a code. You have options as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

I learned that today. I I thought you have to pay for this stuff.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:18

No. If you go to every other vet, yes, they'll charge you. But Steamami is funding this free for first, it was only free for the foundations, now it's free for full Aruba.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:29

Good.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:30

And we have a spay and neuter campaign in June. We'll promote that or later down in the year. I know what'sland wide with with uh vets from the US. We'll pass and pick up your dog, your cat. Hey, I'm into doing goats and pigs too. I mine are fixed, so I'm gonna fix yours if you have them overbreeding on your property. We spay a noodle. It is for free. And the extra services, you need a doghouse, we build it. You need a collar and a tie out, we help you. You need food, we'll have companies that can give you food for that one month. No pa fully an yaruga. Don't no for that one month.

unknown 1:22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:10

You give them my hand, you take the whole arm.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:12

No arm, legs, some ribs, no. Look, the foundation, Luna helps. I can help you for three months. If I have enough food, I can help you with your pet for three months. But don't bug me after those three months. Because I give you three months that you could put aside something, yeah. So then after you could buy food.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:28

Yeah, they should be giving you food for three months. You have more dogs to take care of. Tell them that. Why are you giving people food? No.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:35

Tell them that they couldn't.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:36

What is wrong with you people?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:38

Everyone goes through a little hard time here and there. Yes, everyone has a little hard time here in there. So so that for the animals, I do it. So you shouldn't be asking people foundation for help.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:51

A foundation said, Askable for help. How you ask a foundation?

SPEAKER_09 1:22:54

It's a mentality thing, Shy.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:56

Hey, foundation, you dummy, fundation.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:59

I'm I'm more concerned. Not concerned. I'm more looking forward to what this new building is gonna be. Because that's the money you could have spent through foundations. I'm waiting for spending.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:09

I think they said this month, next month, it should be fixed, should be done and up and running. Oh. I'm I'm all I want to know is when uh these cages are full, what's gonna happen? I'm not against euthanasia. Don't misunderstand me. I'm against when you're doing it to healthy animals. If they're sick or whatever, old bloody blah, and there's nowhere else to put them, okay. Then you put them down in a humane way. Two shots. The one that leaves them doze off, and then the one that puts them out. They don't know. But it's a setup if you're gonna put them in there and then kill them.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:49

And how would they kill them?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:52

That's another good question.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:53

Like you just let them okay, the motor sake, no, it has to be a human way.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:00

I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:01

Once it gets filled up, and then they have more dogs coming in, they're gonna need space.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:06

So they're gonna have to start saying, Hey, you know what? You've been here long enough.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:09

Because it may sound 80 cages, may sound like a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:12

But see, but so you're not really solving the problem. Exactly. You're not solving a problem.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:17

You're a new Sally Mar. That's how I call it. You're like a new Serlimar.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:21

Because instead of educating the people you're rhyming up, their garbage, they're their dogs that they see as garbage. So you take it away. If they're not getting no boot, by the time you bust the corner with that dog, they already brought in a different puppy. And then it starts over again.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:36

And that's why I said like you would have been better off spending the money on different foundations who are already doing the job to expand their services. Now, those those 80 cages that you have now could have been 300 spread out like different areas. Because you didn't spend money on labor cost to build the building. You didn't spend money on material to build the building. You could have spent money on Luna, for example, or Sarchin Pepper, or any other ones. So, like, hey, we're gonna give you 50 cages, you're gonna get 50 cages, and we're gonna help you build a water irrigation system that waters all everywhere.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:09

You turn one area? We have that now with, and I hope I'm saying it right. R We S S. It's R We S S. They're from the landfill. They have where they used to have a lot of dogs, now they have less. I think it's about 20, 25 of them. They're all spayed and neutered, but they're being aborted to the neighborhood. They brought us in to help them solve that problem. The flip side is they're gonna remodel our cages and then give us more space so that we can help them take those dogs off. I need help with my cages because my cages are now well khadate. They need they need fixing. Of course. We need it better. Where shade claws would help. Now we realize the shade claws, the sun, and the salpator tears it, destroys everything. They're remodeling the landfill, certain material that's there we can use. It's it's not harm harmless or harmful to our dogs. They did the design, they brought in their drone, they made the drawing. It goes by, and then they fix our cages and gives us space where we can help them. So one hand helps the other.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:18

Correct.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:18

And it helps the island because it's not like I get a profit or they get no. We help each other and it it helps Aruba, it helps take them off the street.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:26

Because you have a problem, they have a problem. Yeah, you fix mine, I'll fix yours.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:30

The neighbors have a problem as well. I feel like this is where the the lack of community falls in because now, also as the neighbors, it's like, hey, you know what? Luna is helping us. What are we helping them back with now? They helped us with a problem that we had in our neighborhood.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:46

No, no, critica. That's how it works. Like, let's get on Facebook and fuck the zilly.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:52

We help you with your I help you with your problem. You get a lot of backlash?

SPEAKER_09 1:26:55

Woof.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:55

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

I didn't understand the language.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:00

Woof. That was not the classic.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:03

No, that's a dog, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:06

Even though we do say shit like that.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:08

Yeah, yeah. Any chance they get.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:11

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:12

Any chance they get. We also get shit. I'm good for you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:18

It's always something.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:19

Yeah, if I do a live, it's some there's always some Karen in there. You live in a papiami. I'm like I'm not catering just to Aruba. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:29

Neither are I. You have more people from abroad helping your foundation than the actual people that live here.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:38

Yes. And if you're a local, you learn four languages. Are you stupid?

SPEAKER_04 1:27:44

Thank you. That's what I always say.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:49

Easy.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:50

See what I say? Look at it. That's on you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:54

And we cater to tourists, so we gotta be able to dominate English. So then we're gone wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:00

And then um we found San Nicolas, we don't speak English there. We don't speak much of Mento.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:04

Like I'm biting up my tongue to if look, if if I pissed off and it's something to do with the locals, I'm gonna say then pop your minute to make it. Cool, but that your nose you are talking to. Don't do like uh uh but pores see. Uh uh yeah. If you have like don't be so listen, hey no trying to get your ass beat.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:26

What y'all looking for?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:29

All right. Zuri was fun. I have learned a lot today.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:32

For sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:33

Thanks for exposing me with my hair back in the day. I didn't know you remember that.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:36

Yeah, yeah, I remember. I remember.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:39

Um no, but um, we I definitely am going to swing by. I wanna I definitely wanna see the place.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:45

All right, more than welcome.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:46

I want to help.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:48

Let me know when you go. Do something.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:49

Yeah, I'm gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

We make a little video and stuff like just promote it. Yeah, talk to Denzel. We're gonna go Luda Foundation and we're gonna see what they have.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:58

And we're gonna clean. Shit. Yeah, I can watch. No, you're gonna you're gonna clean.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:02

Come on, shark. Let's go. We're gonna get you some crazy. He can do Betsy.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:07

I got gloves there. You can do Betsy.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:08

Okay, say less. This is happening.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:10

Don't come all dressed up, no?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:12

Nah.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:14

We come in ready to work.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:15

Okay, because I got people that come in with white sneakers and all no, you're not coming out.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:19

Don't like I'm going to the gym, for example.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:21

Yeah. With your raggedy outfit.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:22

Yeah, coming like a ha a propaganda shot and whatnot. Like shit from Carnival. Yeah. We can reuse, recycle. We'll find out.

How To Donate And Help

SPEAKER_04 1:29:32

Done with it. Done with it. I'll I'll wrap a yurica shirt, no problem. Don't do that. Don't do that. Alright, guys. Hope you guys learned something today. Um, if they want to donate, where can they go?

SPEAKER_09 1:29:46

They go on our Facebook page, on our web page. Every all info is there.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:50

Everything else Luna Foundation.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:52

Some people don't want to give cash. I'm cool with that. You you wanna, or they don't want to put it on the bank because you got those that say bon sound number plaque at a bite. Where the hell do you think it's going? But anyhow, you want to donate food, that's good too. Go to compra. Propaganda no paga. Go to compra. They're the cheapest. You can we have an account there. If you don't want to bring it to us, you pay it there, and they call me and I pick it up. Nice. You can donate towels. We just had hotels donate towels, bed sheets, actually. For the dogs, we for the old dogs like the mom we have now. She lies down on the tower. So when we wash the dogs, we dry them off in the tower. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:31

And about this is for every business that has dog food or anything that she just mentioned. If you have any of those materials, Shark and I are gonna make a video going through this place. So if you wanna get a little promo for yourself, we'll shout you out.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:43

Yeah, we'll pick we'll pick them up.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:44

We'll pick them up at your place. If it's dog food, come pick up dog food at your place. You get your shout out for supporting Luna. Yeah, and we'll make a video and we make sure you get exposure.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:54

Yeah, everybody joined.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:55

If you're a hardware store and you got lumber laying down, lay it down.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:59

What do you mean? Actually, no flat screen TV, Price Mart if you're watching.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:06

Price Mart can donate meat because we cook for the old dogs. Yeah. Cook beef and chicken every day. They can do meat, they can do um cookies, cleaning material. We got AruPro, we work with them, we recycle plastic, we take it to them, we get discount in our cleaning material.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:23

We do um the Balashi bottles, we collect those, that money, we get a good price from Balashi, a little more than the locals do. I'm motivated, right? Nice. That goes to our vet bill.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:33

We're making a video.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:34

We're doing our doom.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:35

We'll do our folks with this. Yeah, we in our yeah, I'm one. I'm in, I'm convinced already.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:40

I'm down. I'm down.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:41

We're trying all hows to do it ourselves. See, not the PDPD constantly, but when the island and the island it is getting there. Where at first it was more tourist helping.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:52

We it's balancing. We have a lot of islanders that even if it's some canned food, they bring it in. I mean thing hopi. It's not about the hopi. You give from the heart and it multiplies. It's and it's all good. And we do all those shout-outs. It's hey, I'm good with it. And they say what brand? Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

Doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:12

They would fill their stomach with rocks being hungry. So they eat everything. They eat everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:21

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