Aruba Conservation Foundation: Is Aruba Being Loved to Death? | EP 247

Paradise has a breaking point — and Aruba is close enough to it that you can feel the strain in the water, on the trails, and at some of the island’s most crowded beaches.

In this episode, we sit down with **Aruba Conservation Foundation** to talk about what it really takes to protect an island ecosystem while tourism, development, invasive species, and bad habits continue pushing the limits.

We get into the real work behind conservation in Aruba: protecting endemic wildlife, restoring damaged habitats, monitoring species like the Aruba Cascabel rattlesnake, managing invasive boas, and understanding how everything from mangroves and seagrass beds to coral reefs and nursery zones are connected.

The conversation also gets honest about the issues locals talk about every day: carrying capacity at Baby Beach and Rogers Beach, sewage overflows, low-oxygen water, enforcement gaps, wildlife feeding, rock stacking, and why conservation cannot be treated like charity — it has to be seen as part of Aruba’s economy and future.

We also talk about solutions that can actually scale: education in schools, nature literacy, tour operator certification, community reporting, coral restoration, stronger enforcement, and long-term conservation funding.

In this episode, we talk about:

• What Aruba Conservation Foundation does across land and sea
• Why monitoring is the backbone of conservation
• Aruba’s Cascabel rattlesnake and its role in local biodiversity
• Why boas are invasive and how humane removal protocols work
• Marine protected areas and why seagrass, mangroves, and reefs matter
• The pressure on Baby Beach and Rogers Beach
• Sewage overflow, low-oxygen “dead water,” and long-term recovery
• Enforcement gaps and the role of rangers and the community
• Why nature education has to start early
• Coral restoration and rebuilding ecosystems over time
• Why feeding wildlife causes more harm than good
• Smuggled birds, rehabilitation, tracking, and reintroduction
• Why conservation funding needs to be part of the economy
• Why rock stacking damages natural habitats and needs to stop

This is a conversation about Aruba’s future, and why protecting nature is not optional if we want Aruba to stay Aruba.

**Guest:** Aruba Conservation Foundation
**Podcast:** No Filter in Paradise

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Transcript

Radio Launch And Quick Housekeeping

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Before we start today's episode, we just want to let you know that Shark and I are finally going to the radio, which means every single Saturday you can tune in on XFM 102.7, hang out with us, play some good music. We got a bunch of giveaways and just an overall good time and vibe. So tune in Saturday, 10 a.m. to 12 p.m. Enjoy the episode. Peace out. I can't stand locals.

SPEAKER_05 0:25

I'm sorry. I hate people sometimes. But it was not like what the fuck is wrong with people? I'm the grown-ups. Say the F you're going to be able to do it. I never told you this. Ami, unico fucking guy proyeto, those guy blanket auto.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_07 0:45

There's like very rare different teamata. Taki, kidabeshi, different Okay, you shady.

SPEAKER_05 0:51

Why would you point on me again like that?

SPEAKER_01 0:56

Like, I did not play the one. I'm black. I get what you're blind. Like, I was like, oh my god, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:13

It's written that it's from Aruba.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

That is tourism. That is terrible tourism right there.

SPEAKER_07 1:17

Like I'm talking.

SPEAKER_05 1:18

I don't know what they have to know, but they should be funding y'all. That is tourism. That's tourism, right? Asking me, bro. That is marketing. Hey yo,

Guest Joins And Sets The Tone

SPEAKER_05 1:33

what's up? Allah chemists.

SPEAKER_06 1:35

Guys, welcome back to the ABC Islands favorite podcast, No Filter in Paradise, a show about anything and everything.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

Why are you doing this? One is straight in the other. Super duper black and gay babies.

SPEAKER_06 1:46

Just wanted to see if I can catch you off guard.

SPEAKER_05 1:48

That's fine. You know what? I'm not trying to curse too much today.

SPEAKER_06 1:52

So Wow, we already had. Anyways.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

It's a new day. It's a new day.

SPEAKER_06 1:58

Alright, guys, today we have a guest. Hey. Boom. Boom. Don't keep uh teaming. First of all, the way you said it, like it's not too political already. I'm like, I'm sure. So it's always it's like speak your truth. Speak how you feel. No, I know, I don't know. Don't keep it too political. Guys, don't give it political. If it's too political, short to call you out. No, no. I mean, he called you, he called you out like every okay. All right. Great response. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, no. No, no.

SPEAKER_07 2:44

I don't do teleprompter.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

That's what we love. I'm dyslexic. I'm probably reading all different words.

SPEAKER_06 2:59

Do you want to speak English, Papimento?

SPEAKER_05 3:03

Okay, wara. It could be says we're the minute Lopesta.

SPEAKER_06 3:09

Oh shit. Oh. Aruba Conservation Foundation. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Okay, I've been struggling. Conservation Aruba. Not Aruba. You did it the rubber. I'm good.

SPEAKER_06 3:23

That's not what you were saying. You were good. I was like, shit. I was like, shit.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

No.

SPEAKER_06 3:29

You guys heard me, but Aruba Conservation Foundation. I've been messing it up for like a week or two. Hey. For real, for real. Aruba conservation. The conservation people. I don't know. Conservation. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

The conservation people. We have to get them in the show. Okay, so I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Mr. Tyson, first of all, of course, Bombinine show. And we can't go to the boat. I don't know. Please, let's break this down a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 4:05

Okay, try not to be political, but it's a good idea.

What Aruba Conservation Foundation Does

SPEAKER_07 4:18

But we have the Arab Conservation Foundation, an independent private foundation. And we have to have a society. So yeah, we're starting to have an employee fund. So we saw the park, and the parking marine of so different activities for it. So it's really broad. So we go to schools, we have presentation, undersea, um, visitor experience, there's hikes, volunteer work, restoration work. There's so much that we are doing as part of ACF. So it's a really broad, diverse, it's every day a challenge, every day you enjoy a bit more.

SPEAKER_06 5:30

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like this is a misconception.

SPEAKER_07 5:56

But in the past years, master ball, rebranding. So, I thought it was new.

SPEAKER_04 6:02

I was like, okay.

SPEAKER_07 6:04

We have our history. We have our history. Okay. Um, see, misconception time with the five reference with some. Like, I don't do that, but okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:18

Wait, y'all count stuff for real, though?

SPEAKER_07 6:21

We count like the Kascabel.

SPEAKER_06 6:23

Wait, what?

SPEAKER_07 6:23

See, but like in like, I'm so sorry I did not know this. Yes, yes. I mean, that's the basis of conservation, is but monitor pawak quanto ting, unanta, where they're living, the habitats, what are the threats so we Okay, I am locked in. Uh we have vacancies, so you're already in you're already in a shade of green, so yeah. Hey, by the way, stop, stop, stop, stop. I want to ask something. Oh. The kidabeshi. The what the what? The plant that you got.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

Oh my god. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 7:06

Okay, I'm out of this. What's happening with that? He got a plant from from us on Earth Day. Well, it's dead. It's dead, knowing shark? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

Okay. First of all, I have to read this plant mom. Okay. How's your watermelon doing? How's your watermelon doing? Watermelons were a struggle. I didn't know you could leave them once they are already in there. Okay, let me just be sad. Rest in peace. It really is dead. Okay. It wasn't my fault. It wasn't my fault. Okay, so I got it. And I was told like to open it the next day, which would be earth day. Uh-huh. Cool, but the next day I had to fly out. So listen, it didn't die from like mistreating. No.

SPEAKER_06 7:49

Thirsty.

SPEAKER_05 7:50

No. Egypt, my dog. Oh. He got locked inside one day until you're going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_06 8:01

Oh my god, what happened?

SPEAKER_05 8:02

Exactly that. He's a pit bull, so and it's a big one. He a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

Okay, please.

SPEAKER_07 8:19

You got a second try.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Because like I I felt so bad.

SPEAKER_07 8:27

No, no. He's going to be

Tracking The Cascabel Rattlesnake

SPEAKER_07 8:32

caskabel. So, yes, people go out in the field, it boosted caskabel, nanda chip na, nata wak ng, nanta wei ng, different um factor pay. There's we do in conjunction, it's a program running for more than 18 years already. Um, pa kiko kaskabel, because it's an endemic species. It's ours. Wait, what? Yes. Kaskabelki dies, species that go to extinct. Yes, I did not know that.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

Cease to exist. So uh not even sure. Let's keep one of the most poisonous fucking snakes alive. And they don't bother people.

SPEAKER_07 9:14

It's one of the rarest also on the world, no? So it holds super, super interessant.

SPEAKER_06 9:19

All these snake nerds have been like okay. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 9:22

For the science scientific field, it's super interesting.

SPEAKER_06 9:25

Okay, so if I get bit by a real snake right now, what do I have to do?

SPEAKER_07 9:28

Go to the hospital.

unknown 9:28

Okay, well.

SPEAKER_06 9:29

How fast do I have to get like um might think a while ago? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 9:33

Make sure by the biah, nobody's saying, do not do that. Uh buy back to the hospital by hospital, and it will be okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 9:44

Because I heard like, oh no, D even do not be a few years back, it's what I heard.

SPEAKER_07 9:48

No, no, no. It's teeny, teeny, tiny. But it's super important. And the same thing. It's a rare, it's a very rare.

SPEAKER_06 10:02

Oh my god! Shark, you murderer.

SPEAKER_05 10:04

It's not me, it's a murderer. The fucking dog, you're rude! He gave me one packet, but still.

SPEAKER_07 10:11

No, so no sta cultivar nos greenhouse only a rare isla. That's nothing. So go set up.

SPEAKER_06 10:21

I have one.

unknown 10:28

Oh my god!

SPEAKER_05 10:33

No, I swear to God, it's a people! He is doing, he is thriving, he's not so good.

SPEAKER_07 10:38

So um Kaskabil nos are the mata based on research, we know which kind of trees and uh plants we have key habitat, this key landscape. So we know like other types of mata, of the beach, so we know all that stuff. And we cultivate sure that we have an area.

SPEAKER_05 11:16

Okay, you shady. Because why would you point on me again like something?

SPEAKER_07 11:22

Like Samir, I'm doing mata. I did not say the one matter. I got thori.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

I'm black, I can't wait for you implying like I was like, oh.

SPEAKER_06 11:37

Dory is a planned mama walkie. My wife, she's like, just like only indoor stuff, uh, and the most low maintenance, like look it up. So now she's like, oh, she has an app. Okay, you have to. Nah, I got to do it.

SPEAKER_07 11:56

That's easy. Super easy. So yeah, it's it's for our climate.

SPEAKER_05 11:59

Okay, whack. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 12:00

Meeting some questions. Meeting some questions.

SPEAKER_05 12:04

This is crazy. Like both of us. Such great stuff. Okay, so everything that's gonna like probably like is this.

SPEAKER_07 12:15

Well, so we say, sample the sanger, and we can see the laboratory. We have to do that. So we go and pick it up and walk. But actually, we're seeing an idea of what we have in the iPhone. So that's what we're busy with. Because people are scared of it.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

Oh no!

SPEAKER_07 13:00

Kacho, loss, so the different factors. And when we talk about nature, we talk about everything is a life, no? So everything is a system, um, territorial. No, no, we have an area and hence, but as soon as we have to there's no chance for repopulation. No! So that's why every single speech, every single conservative. So otherwise, you break the chain, you break the link, and you can continue.

SPEAKER_06 13:51

I don't know that they stay in their own spot.

SPEAKER_07 13:56

No, what I explore, but this does not explore it. Um, this is part of the in-situal conservation, in the nature. Um, make sure that we have management plans to adapt to it. But we say unpar the America, exactly. We'll repopulate it, and I'm back. It's written that it's from Aruba.

SPEAKER_05 14:31

That is tourism, that is animal tourism idea.

SPEAKER_07 14:34

Like I'm like uh I don't know, they have to know, but uh that it they should be funding, y'all.

SPEAKER_05 14:40

That is tourism, that is tourism, right?

SPEAKER_07 14:42

You're asking me, bro.

SPEAKER_05 14:44

That is marketing. That is marketing.

SPEAKER_07 14:48

But um conservation happens also outside of nature. That is uh Britan. So not being aruba, and released.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

We heard about this.

SPEAKER_07 15:14

Sorry, okay, sorry. Because I was thinking of ski number, so too many questions.

Invasive Boas And How They’re Handled

SPEAKER_06 15:20

Keep up because we go left and right real quick.

SPEAKER_05 15:21

Okay, how many how?

SPEAKER_06 15:23

So if if I see a boa, do I run it over? Can we kill them? Tog seat. They're invasive. So who do we pick? Boas or shokos?

SPEAKER_07 15:35

So to make sure. So what we do, what we do. I mean, I'm telling you what we do.

SPEAKER_06 15:46

The Bible says this thing is the devil, so like run it's not kidding.

SPEAKER_07 15:48

No, just look like called. So, you can't get a frequent boa, no stranger as I say. Uh, and they die in this sleep. So it's a most humane way to do. Damn. Yes. So I have a freezer. I have a freezer full of boas. I don't know. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 16:20

Okay, now you're sleeping, now you do it.

SPEAKER_07 16:21

No, this is a city nung in a proper way, also via Sailing Mars to do it. But a reason we that we did it also in the past crazy. It's the field of work, no? It's the protocol. They're animals.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Like, we don't want them here.

SPEAKER_07 16:44

We gotta export them all.

SPEAKER_06 16:51

Okay, no. Sorry, uh, what can you make? What's going on? For instance, I'm sure sharks cooking.

SPEAKER_07 16:57

I mean, I think it's a good thing. What's happening with them? So we do a lot of the spaces now.

SPEAKER_05 17:23

So a history di boa. So I'm the mundi. I'm a Mundi girl. I mean the cara or something. No, I'd beside I like that type of area, not Isaiah. Okay. Umce you get oh my god, I'll be like, I'm sorry. Okay, focus. Okay, my act with the king of the book.

SPEAKER_06 17:53

I'm sorry. You're gonna ask about they brought Bo was the history of the book.

SPEAKER_05 17:56

Oh, okay, same. Okay, because Unabs Ama kumi sa m um beba unamida biba. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_07 18:01

Dang it.

SPEAKER_05 18:05

Oh yeah. Um, she niche ng. Um prikichi, like na granele. Like it was so much like me to get annoyed and my inta. But then the boas came and then all of that was like.

SPEAKER_07 18:19

So uh theoria koyboa uh bing Aruba. Itame Vaneta Undersook, no sakeing dos different population anasi. So it might beorita correct, no? So those are the two theories that we have alike. Um indeed, or invasive species, nota belong in the system. And to predator, so it's gonna eat as much as possible. And to exponentially harm, a theory level up. They pull up a video. Oh my god. So, um, different problems. They can eat one uh animal and full. But we have other issues. We have dogs, lost loben the honden, and loss open the cotton cotton, these either to kill for fun or to eat constant. Kill for fun. That's true.

SPEAKER_06 20:17

Hey, what are you doing today, Johnny? I'm gonna go kill some dogs. What about you? Ah, kill the dogs. Oh my god!

SPEAKER_07 20:23

Keep up, keep up, keep up.

SPEAKER_06 20:26

I'm trying to multitask, sorry.

SPEAKER_07 20:28

No, but say is it is it playing?

SPEAKER_06 20:37

It's playing. You're the expert, I'm me.

SPEAKER_07 20:43

Hey, we just happened with it.

SPEAKER_06 20:48

Right over. Okay, my hobby feedback. I'm like reverse, sorry. So Bandija. Yeah, I remember this. Bandage in full nation shoco. So like, who am I gonna pick? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ceiling over there. No. Shoko Papi to bring on the pick up. You have better reverse. And that's a death. And if we go up a little bit, there was a whole nest down here. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_07 21:14

Ah, that's a cute one.

SPEAKER_06 21:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Well, I love that.

SPEAKER_07 21:20

So you see. So steam the conservation the uh sugar burrows than key, the Santa Baiwak uh pre um breeding season, this many wak in the city and threats, signs. Uh so that's also what uh the team does. You have to bring it back again.

SPEAKER_06 21:50

Hey, you guys do your ground any day. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 21:53

Yeah, I mean, as conservation organizations, sometimes you have to stand your ground. It is what it is. But sometimes we have to take our stand for people to listen. That's what we are doing. It's not me against you, it's just what it is.

SPEAKER_05 22:17

Listen, it helps all of us. We have the balance because we have to do this.

SPEAKER_07 22:31

Yeah, super cute. Super cute.

SPEAKER_06 22:33

One, two, three, three. Enjoy by every morning, but one. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:54

It's not like that site is specifically selected by them because of that. And so we can move it to this balance. And yeah, pushed away. They cannot dig in there, so it's not a non-habitat. They love it. They love it. It's so easy. And the order when they contact the yaman knows, like, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's a salon to a year, I would say cover it, cover it, but I mentioned this earlier today.

SPEAKER_06 23:58

Just for the sort of santo, yeah. Jesus meeting pet it as a home.

SPEAKER_07 24:02

I know. Nobody pat is natural. Habitat, nobody feed it, nobody mattered.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

You don't know that.

SPEAKER_07 24:14

No, make sure you bow on a bibli. No, Jim Bosa eight and Mr. And the baby couldn't camera, so letter camera hall. Uh-huh and the base on a camera and to walk uh sitting uh um weibo, sitting baby, off sitting boa. They do that. I'm and there's fun going off. Not mine.

SPEAKER_06 24:34

I'm like, I'm like, oh, it is mine.

SPEAKER_05 24:36

I thought it was yours.

SPEAKER_06 24:37

I was like, how do you not feel it like if next to your hand, like it's a vibration?

SPEAKER_05 24:41

I'm in this conversation.

SPEAKER_07 24:45

Oh shit. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you see what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 24:56

He is so shady.

SPEAKER_07 24:57

He's not uh to me.

unknown 25:04

The fuck?

SPEAKER_07 25:05

I'm kidding, I'm gonna get it. No, you're good, you're good, you're good.

SPEAKER_05 25:07

I'm good. Okay, so yeah. So okay, so Nosa Papi untiki di ribatera.

SPEAKER_07 25:14

Yes.

What Marine Protection Really Means

SPEAKER_05 25:17

So what is protected in our marine?

SPEAKER_07 25:19

So, okay. Um Ribatera. So it's almost 25% of the island is protected by law. That's a little bit, yeah. It's Daniel Transisa Saravichi, it's a spans lachoon, um, Sanicolas También Costa Banisara Colorado. Um this area around the Aruba, yeah, based on natural water, this could not have a high biodiversity area important pa species, DCD who's fairly new, but very recent. But we can say 2000, they could 2000 just to do it. So, we're gonna be a protector, and we're either protecting it. So it's not like we're not, or it's a protected area. Everything is protected. So rocks, too, plants, too, animals, nesting, it's happening, all that is protected by law. And so there are part of marino, there are different areas Mangle Hall, Roders Beach, Baby Beach, Patras the Aricock, and the WAFTA part of the marino. That's a big number. So both I feel like 25 is a little bit like push 30 terrestres, 30 hours, and the goal is by 2030. So work on this. Um, the casoft information. So facilitator they're not protected.

SPEAKER_05 27:46

Okay, so you said Rogers kutila saquinanta some areas kut.

SPEAKER_07 27:50

What does that mean? So if we're gonna Rogers Beach, like Zegras that is a habitat most important, banana di coral in mangrove, then party marino. Hoppy TP species, bushy, calcok, lobster, and chica. So the system works like this. Um that's like uh clutter school. This is what by the grass, basis school, and this is what by coral. That's what we do a reef. But if you have a reef, and the teeny dance of CGB studio, you need to continue. That's by open oceans. So we have open oceans. And it's not a very important thing. And it's a ng na ruba kuti amass miho density, the ezegras, because invasive sort, those could not belong here, but it came because of ship trades and so on, this kuta taking over time.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

Yeah. Maybe they got attached to a boat somewhere else and then.

SPEAKER_07 29:32

It was in the ship and I came to the case.

SPEAKER_05 29:41

Okay, you see, I was today years old. I did not know that.

SPEAKER_07 29:44

I thought we should do an internship.

SPEAKER_05 29:47

Okay, I would I I would be down with drop shadowing.

SPEAKER_06 29:50

I would be down for a dive?

SPEAKER_05 29:54

First time in my life.

SPEAKER_06 29:56

See?

SPEAKER_05 29:58

Most beautiful experience of my life.

SPEAKER_06 30:03

We just see the good backstory a little bit. Normally, I would never.

SPEAKER_05 30:07

I'm a I'm not a good thing. We were not meant for one.

SPEAKER_07 30:12

So kick the pasata, invasive grass. Um pouco, nutritional value, tamas about high skill potato. Um basically they are full, but nutritional value. Uh they might die of hunger because they didn't get what they're supposed to be eating. So it it's connect every again, in nature, everything is connected. So that's also part of it. Oh my god. Yeah. I love the conversation. I love the conversation. No, no, no. This is great.

SPEAKER_06 31:07

So that part of Rogers Beach Baby Beach.

SPEAKER_07 31:15

So, yes. So that's the biggest, one of the biggest issues um the nature conservation.

Seagrass Changes And Reef Knock-On Effects

SPEAKER_07 31:20

True. Yeah. Like everything boils down to people. Um, it's a baby beach, Rogers Beach, but actually, not a beach miss. So limitations. Um the baby beach, when it's still horrible, right? Gross. I rarely go, bro. Yeah. It's uh horrible and to um figure out ways to manage it. Um it's all over when it's a terrible stream, but we have to come in and environment. Um, the baby beach we knew a hotel by Habi, it's gonna create extra pressure. Um, we have to do it. Um, um, this is a baby beach, it's also important to turn. So we migrate to Aruba, North America, to be Aruba, this is South America. And to Aruba, we can use a breed of make pears, breed and chicks. And to sibuck, sibo by boom, um baby beach, but we have to go to the body. It's because we have discount. So we can have four babies for the refinery, just in those is the refinery, and we can see the thing. So when you have a lower season, we have to do this. Is it gonna be forever? So those are the things that that we do also. And the hobby is not a good thing. Um increasing amount of visitors, that's a biggest challenge for us on the island.

SPEAKER_05 33:38

It's about to get worse, but Rogers based on those building currently building.

SPEAKER_07 33:42

It's crazy, and it's crazy. But we have what to do anymore. Is it lost? No, it's not uh bold actions that need to be taken. And so um, conversation um the word ata, a hata um everybody is agreeing, like something needs to slow down.

SPEAKER_06 34:08

But we always say this like people always talk about it, but nobody actually okay, so who's gonna be able to do that? A lot of talkers actually.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

And I've uh ecological perspective, I mean capacity. But housing to deadly forbuilt, uh, basically they're running on sushi because we don't have a sustainable solution for it. So the asina ho because some days but are we really doing a difference? So it's difficult.

SPEAKER_05 35:02

Two things on this, right?

Sewage Overflows And Why Water Dies

SPEAKER_05 35:05

Kikuta pasa ku nos turusa kiya pasa ku bubali, they hadn't like open that shit, but you know, the shit can flow through. Kiko is saying for our people, and then when you also think riba it dump that water, congested is it? Like, how fucked up is that? It's an ecosystem, like, and then we eat that, and then now a bunch of people have cancer and arubata malo asinatando. But what is actually going on? What is that water mean?

SPEAKER_07 35:47

Sorry, I just be wanting to be. I feel you, I feel you. Uh it's a pressing issue. Uh before we have managed by us, you comprehended overflow water, and we have to ask you to await it, not a bong kuta over. Uh, it's so we're thinking then pump circular awa, um maniera pa aerated, oxygen, otherwise it's dead water. So it's a water daily ng. Um tak ng roots ngasi ku ita saka oxygen, fish baby ball ng. So it's good for the water.

SPEAKER_06 36:39

It looks so pretty.

SPEAKER_07 36:39

Yeah, and it's a float, and it's a zork, it's so tampoco nata pasa, hence. So once a year. No, so every year um high season kick in, of aneku, a rain season kick in, full SMP, but as a dump, you make sure it could cost. But yes, it overflow things to harm tanto naturaleza com a cara. It's documented and research. Um before we have a bacteria ng. I can say that. I mean it's it's public, uh public information, it's research publica. Um, so it's bad. It doesn't mean we can fix um, uh, it takes real time. And nature is a good thing.

Baby Beach Crowds And Hard Limits

SPEAKER_07 37:56

That thing took like more than 50 years to grow. So it's a it's a really sad destruction is not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_06 38:06

But I think I know the answer. But it's not gonna arruba free-for-all.

Enforcement Problems And Community Cameras

SPEAKER_06 38:11

In terms of UTVs, boats, ah, we're gonna bother to do it.

SPEAKER_07 38:14

So regla, uh, in place, but we are so bad in handhaven. Enforcement. So bad. And it creates that sense of free for all. Like, ah, 30 years ago, or a co population, free for all, it was okay. It was management. Free for all, the home chaos. That's what it is. And to me, manager, this uh the ultimo ayon on the kid, no enforcement right, no, this is not an ampana, no s not go out and doing a boot.

SPEAKER_06 39:05

Can't do anything about it, anyways.

SPEAKER_07 39:07

I have to call the police, I have to call custwacht, so it's not an authority to do that. And so wouldn't that be a good thing though? Like actually give you it.

SPEAKER_06 39:16

Like for example, I've been asking for it. Once you step into the park, this is your jurisdiction, and then see I'm gonna have to arrest you.

SPEAKER_07 39:24

Okay, what's up? So authority could turn me rangers and rangers and the ACFT, instruction. If they tell you not to do something or get out, but we cannot do that. It's it's it's uh the authorities. Um, uh, they have to find you doing it, the infraction, and then they can do something. And so when you're gonna go and I love Mondays also. But we saw that we can't sushi naturale.

SPEAKER_06 40:17

So a team down with the thing.

SPEAKER_07 40:24

Um, total 24 hands, full run, the story are crazy. And so we have a different hand, hey, stop this. The community is our biggest supporter, and really good.

SPEAKER_06 41:00

But blasting Facebook cameras like in your area, like I mean, there's there's cameras that work the soul panel.

SPEAKER_07 41:18

It's a snap, no? And it's a go busy camera. Ding ding the at the key areas pain some documentation of what's happening.

SPEAKER_05 41:31

Like, guys, fucking gas.

SPEAKER_07 41:32

Like, you're supposed to love it, right?

SPEAKER_05 41:34

You're supposed to female. I can't stand locals. I'm sorry. I hate people sometimes. And uh like wrong with people, and the grown-ups, say the epio.

SPEAKER_07 41:47

Yes, it's like the saddest part.

SPEAKER_05 41:49

Don't piss me off. Don't piss me off.

SPEAKER_07 41:51

It goes back when it uh um yeah, it's bad behavior, totally. Uh I understand that. But they don't know. Like it's true. I mean, we mentioned mask.

SPEAKER_06 42:23

Palm trees. Palm trees.

SPEAKER_05 42:33

There's also the one that you use for the bingamosa that helps you with the bingamosa. Say no. That one, yeah. You see, I'm a I'm a nature girl!

SPEAKER_06 42:42

Okay, no.

SPEAKER_07 42:42

Somebody see, put you on the spot now, huh? So that no.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

But wait, really? Of course he knows.

SPEAKER_07 42:53

But I have to say I learned, no? I learned. So I'm not a biologist, uh, the afterground, ecologist, but I learned throughout the process. Um, not seeing biologists, now I'm just talking to them is like a field day for me. But yeah, just eventually get to know reading papers because uh over the full sake. My point being

Nature Literacy And What School Misses

SPEAKER_07 43:26

we're not educated. Like school, um beyond that, exposed to it.

SPEAKER_06 43:32

Sorry, we see that. And that's the bad, it shouldn't be um beating this should be a regular class.

SPEAKER_07 43:51

If you don't know it, you don't give a fuck about it. You will never love it, understand it, protect it. And you can only protect it. Because of it is a green literacy of natural literacy, not a hopefully. Because we don't know this, like because you don't know about Kaska Bielka, or that's what we're doing. I know exactly what's coming.

SPEAKER_06 44:22

My way I'm fucking running that way.

SPEAKER_07 44:25

I'm running fast too. But it's a making nature destruction. Some people uh it's just ignorance. They don't know the importance of a single species.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

I don't know that.

SPEAKER_07 44:57

But in mata is a bonchi food source. Oh gosh. How do you want to have more birds? I mean, it's a copy of the super importantity. Yes, for protection of the bats. A bats is anointed, and pollinate a kadushi nan. So kadushi ng, a floor to anoche, and then the bats come and pollinate it, and fruta. Ah, um make a flour and process.

SPEAKER_05 45:44

So the peach and the scooping.

SPEAKER_07 45:48

No, it's a material stuff.

SPEAKER_05 45:55

Ah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_07 45:56

And point out, because it's not a grand sufficient, not a stable, not a pass a pollination process, hands, a fruit nan kadushi, hands a trope. So everything is connected and to bruh. That's why two cost.

SPEAKER_05 46:18

People are the worst.

SPEAKER_07 46:19

I mean, nature um without people, perfect balance. And to build people in it, it's kind of I had a question I um and I forgot it.

SPEAKER_05 46:31

Okay, while you while you think about that, okay, whack.

SPEAKER_07 46:34

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

Okay, so I was gonna ask about this. I was like, fast ass, I'm gonna post the blank. They was like, shut the fuck up, no papa goes up.

SPEAKER_07 47:01

I'm gonna turn around and look. Yes?

SPEAKER_05 47:05

2025.

Coral Restoration And Returning The Tide

SPEAKER_07 47:06

Uh elected election, but uh, coral restoration and to the university, uh, Aruba Conservation Foundation, University Aruba, it's Cabal Bubbles Foundation, provide a bit for a while. Yes, they are amazing people, shout out to the same thing. And what has to say, we actually grow from it. And we created a desert, basically. And if you have a lot of those systems artificial, these are the ribar, coded to Santo Blanco, and we can see the fragments and we can see. So we say, um, but turning the tide, it's amazing. We had a show the cinemas last year.

SPEAKER_05 49:00

Oh, I just stop looking at me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 49:03

No, but recently they did, I just saw some people's story like that.

SPEAKER_07 49:09

But you know, you can go on YouTube, um, team. It's a conta full of project. So you don't do this.

SPEAKER_06 49:31

That's it.

SPEAKER_07 49:33

Um, it's a very hopeful. It's nice to be because we need people to continue helping us. So, um, we have to do this. But it's very, very nice. It's first time thing for Aruba. I mean, hope it's very innovative. It's the first time that it's being done on the island. Um, we actively basically restore nature. So, we can see mangrove herself, we can use the first time. Um, too much to say, but okay. Kit passata during a period of colonial and a period of Spanish, um, hope you have a cap para wood export.

SPEAKER_05 50:39

Oh my god! We were driving a corso in meeting, wow, this is being roads.

SPEAKER_07 50:54

No, they chopped it all down. So that's what we're we're trying right now, but we have more issues. I'm gonna go

Colonial Impacts And Introduced Species

SPEAKER_07 51:02

with it. It's gonna be a two-hour show. Um sorry. We got 45 minutes. The tree that you chat you the answer real quick.

SPEAKER_06 51:13

What the tree that they chopped up like? Why is he keeping on like a going back, going back, going back?

SPEAKER_07 51:22

But anyway.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

Um just before we forget, every Monday and Friday it's no filter eats. Link in the description so you can find out way more information.

SPEAKER_07 51:32

Being back attention! Okay, the period is period uh colonial to what's hoping you know hence nothing young hope, nothing hopi modern trees. Modern trees are provide as seeds, but it's a meta thing a cultivation, and the cultivation the aloe take two-thirds of the island. And the sibuac potrat bew it's only aloe, not in yon trees, it's a beer, and it's a local pasa. Um this um yes, handsons nothing a manier. Um, it's a beer massimas trouble. Um, we don't. Assume that we don't know anything. It was introduced.

SPEAKER_06 52:35

Okay, I did not know that.

SPEAKER_05 52:36

I heard this! Okay, well, the e buriko namanto.

SPEAKER_07 52:39

Buriko i cabrito, um carne. So all this was brought in the colonial period. And the same thing, it's a good thing. Well, it's like a porta fertilizer, you know? If you do it properly, it can be fertilized. But it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 53:25

So every few days, all the neighbours plants.

SPEAKER_07 53:27

So many restaurants are ecological, backwards. Anyhow, restaurant.

SPEAKER_06 53:36

Um that's dumb. Come on.

SPEAKER_07 53:40

I was told to simplify everything. It's not for you guys. It's not for you guys.

SPEAKER_06 53:54

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 53:55

So you go go out in the field, cool ranger, and walk you could not have to do it. I mean afterwards.

SPEAKER_06 54:03

Okay, boom. Um I would do it. Yeah?

SPEAKER_07 54:05

Alright. Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_06 54:06

I've never done it.

SPEAKER_07 54:09

A cascabel, a coral.

SPEAKER_06 54:11

I mean they track it, they know where they are. One comes and bites your ass.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

No, not the hink. It's it's safe, it's safe. It's safe.

SPEAKER_06 54:17

We're gonna see all the dead boas in the freezer.

SPEAKER_07 54:19

Ugh! I don't want to see that. I don't wanna see that. That sounds gross. Okay. There's um panos. Yeah, a canopy aruba, it it requires soil. Ah, dynamic, dynamic. Um, stop soil, there's a part of fertile, because there's nothing yung roots in the system, and to lava by for the seronang, and to drain the basin, the basin task lagundas. And topsoil being erosion happens, it drained the ding manga lang, and it stick roots. And the hands of canal, make sure circulabong, makrovan po kila na bida, pasina numper contribuika fisheries, so and to set a party local, then a project returning the tide with a documentary. So again, everything is connected. You have to know your history.

SPEAKER_05 55:30

But I feel like this is this is looking at the same thing. These things need to be taught in school. Like this should be a regular class, at least.

SPEAKER_06 55:42

We all know who fails it. Yeah, Shark for sure. We all know. But uh besides him.

SPEAKER_05 55:47

Hey, but it's just like I was saying, I'm gonna send out y'all a photo so y'all can see that.

SPEAKER_06 55:58

My plans are gorgeous. That'd be that'll be a cool thing. Like every single week you have to check in with your plant. Everybody brings it once a week in your plant.

SPEAKER_07 56:05

No, no, no. But a buy to me outside of class, and contact. No, no, no. And so um meeting, FTA so we can use the nature, but we're doing this idea as a dos, and to master school, but we have to do that. Hopefully, in let's say 10 years, 15 years, because education is always slow, no? There's no impact of it, conscious, to being mass displays. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 57:00

And so that's what we guys have, yeah, I understand.

SPEAKER_07 57:03

They have to grow up.

SPEAKER_06 57:04

I thought you meant like in 10 years we'll implement like what you're doing. No, I mean that's gonna be too late.

SPEAKER_07 57:08

Stars like yeah, starting next week, bro. No, that's gonna be too late. No, that's crazy. So, we'll make sense.

Tour Guide Certification And Wildlife Feeding

SPEAKER_07 57:30

But those service providers, tanto terrestri como marino, how to behave better. Um, this manner, no wildlife feeding, stop it, pa entertain tourist. It's bad, it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 57:51

How is it bad and provide option? No, no wildlife feeding, no wildlife feeding. I'm just saying, like they're still gonna do it. No, stop doing it, it's nature.

SPEAKER_07 58:02

So I think you have to think of the other man. Um tour operator, um, it's nature conscious and tour guides, they can say and talk like two entertainers. They can inform the tourists about this. But actually, migrating for the America, so we are seeing it's it's more value. Um, it's important about this. So they certification program, uh certification program, but tour operators about this. Like it's a good thing. See, I mean education.

SPEAKER_05 59:02

It's gonna be mandatory, actually.

SPEAKER_07 59:04

It's gonna be mandatory in the parking lot tour operator.

SPEAKER_05 59:08

No, kubo, kubo ting tour me.

SPEAKER_07 59:10

I thought it was already like that. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 59:12

Right now they don't have they don't have a no no UTVs, no UTVs.

SPEAKER_07 59:17

Oh no, so no UTVs, no U ATVs, but during Tao woke pa um go the extra step, uh uh train and certified, it tour guides them on how to behave and what to do.

SPEAKER_06 59:27

Uh without that certification, you can't come in, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 59:30

Yes, like enforcing. But I feel like that should be for everybody. Any anybody that's you're gonna you're gonna be giving information, whether it be to locals or to to a guest, you should know what the fuck you're talking about and you should be certified. But so kick on the nausea, but I'm gonna go to the same time.

SPEAKER_07 59:51

But unabs kubana si basi in school, there is no need for this. Like, I mean everybody would be more nature conscious and behave better. But say collaborate, uh, influence or no.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:04

Just pop into my head very random. Like the school of at least facilitate ung greenhouse but tour school on the go on lasure greenhouse. So everybody sits around, okay, RSBC over the Mata aquí, la la la. What does it do for the nature from our lives?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:31

It's not. Like fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:33

For a kid, like, ooh.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:35

Priority.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:40

He don't know that. He's trying to find out too. I'm trying to become a priority.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:44

I mean, no, but not theory, not theory. Advocacy role can us thing. Um, push-up uh naturalism, conversation make it accessible, but um this specific plant, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:11

Matic um cotton. Uh-huh. Is that an Aruba plant or not? No, it was introduced also. So we're talking like a lot of people. And we were driving along, i mean, like ying. Honestly, I never told you this. Stop orato, lagami kwe. But mind you, let me give you the scenario. Ami, only guy proyato ng auto.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:48

Ki ko yo, it's a nigga stop my black pick cotton. Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:55

You know, my joke is a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:07

Just walk to the mountain.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:10

I must say, a lot. That's funny. It was nice, but walk with the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:19

Okay, so then I'm not a di Aruba. No.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:21

Okay, I mean, alow it's aruba, no?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:24

I don't think any trees that belong to Aruba.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:27

I mean, more than 300 uh type of uh species.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

I'm awake again. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:42

Having fun?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:43

Oh my god, where's that cookie?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:46

So um Aloe, uh, I get introduced. And because it had an economic value panam cultivate, introduced it. So kwa di no sku I mean un ward.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:08

Or uh Okay, we don't think aloe the noodles.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:17

Never mind.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:25

But we gotta do better about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:26

We gotta do better about it. We can make it a little bit more than we can.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:50

No, but okay. Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:53

Back in school, sorry to school.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:57

No, no, no, no, I'm just gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:02

It might be in the day. So they are providing something. Um, either it's medicinal, either it's uh source, just relaxation, so for tourism, say we can provide by hike, but by the way, it's a service also. Um harvest it costing us. And so the capture mata, it's a hard house, or export, or export, create maybe different canon. We were only correct, douche. You know you lost this. Those were used to create a saddle for because they killed the bent. So it's the main word we're not going to be able to do is the food source of soil stabilization of the nutrients enriched soil.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:17

So this lady was a very good thing. So, like, that isn't money spinach. So it basically usa icome spinach the A4. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:39

We used to give it to our rabbits when I was younger, pero ding um ding we sa uh they make that.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

Kalalu e Trinidad does it too. Uh huh.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:51

And so we don't have to Kalalu, I would say me back here the ruba. Okay, let's try it. But um I understand. But imagine the monday deplete because what we have right now will not be able to sustain us.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:14

I mean plant the moment.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:19

He did not plant enough. Harvesting, um, we are a lot of people, no?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:26

I mean, and not a pattern.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:29

I mean, um substitute.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:38

Can you eat cabrito? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:42

Gara e cabrito da. What in the um no, so yeah, like anyways, that's what makes it fun. See, that's um, yeah, I mean, you do the name, but yeah, uh, nobody picketurko, but substitute algo, um say that we're roots done toward the um here being awaiting, and to um horcu nearly throat infection, and it's a yuda. Oh stamina, hope you mata or the khapluk, say that pitches, uh seats then, uh, pockets, uh pots, e guess what? I mean because plant is it for something else, but the food source by Mr. Basa conscience or a kubutabay, sakasia to let me just be.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:03

I have to admit okay, no, something to admit. So a few years ago, starting to go. Okay, so a few years ago.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:23

Let's go. I got like another thing I want to bring up.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:25

Oh my god, he's so shady. Okay, so Mikia na kumi sa kumani um poches like around me barrio. Kumi poch, like tira manikum that ding pa epriki china kutura saina, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:40

But this is me amiga bisami, and you um awa. Just awa? Okay. I'll do that. Never mind, thank you. No, no, continue. No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:48

You were killing them?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:50

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:50

I would never you should never do wildlife feeding. Um why tapa sobra kup system ta perfecto sous so by doing mask comida, they will start care available, that they reproduce. And to the Swiss and stop. And to the full population, they are dependent on you. So you make them people dependent. Yeah. So provide water, what do not provide food. Nature is supposed to be nature. Neighborhood pets. So, in case also uh good to do. That's good.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:57

Conservation for the bees too. Ask your question before you die.

Smuggled Birds And Long-Term Reintroduction

SPEAKER_06 1:10:04

So um there's a question from somebody they want an update on some birds regarding that a while back, they were confiscated by smugglers and then they were reintroduced back to the nature. Correct. They're like 20-something like what kind of birds were they again? Laura something.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:29

So Laura originally, so um 70 ceased to exist, it's not extinct on the island. It's not gonna be house pets. Um kultivar in the community who didn't kultivate because they were chased pests. It's typical that the Aruba Falcon, Venezuela, Margarita and Bonero. Even originally corsa, the introduction corsa and extinct. So we have a pension that we can introduce lora, but introduce it's a connection with Korsar, we have connection with Venezuela. And when Venezuela says the population to deplete the wildlife trade, the illegal wildlife trade. Happen to be a club, but our confisca along and we have the trade internationally and local.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:42

So jump on your front, then figure it out.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:44

Uh uh, because we can do that. So that's a normal protocol. No, you hear the nice. No, no, no. This is a filter baby book. No, but it's not only here, that's a protocol international. And to but it's the illegal wildlife trade.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:31

That's fucked up. Like, they didn't ask for this. No, they did not ask.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:42

Alright, fast forward, okay. It's process hoppy largo. Make sure you're haja nang vitamins. Before releasing, so we can dana a system, splök pluma puma, untakidinang survival. Make sure it could eta on 100% 100% species who it's belonging to natural introduce behare. So you don't want to do that. So it this is biosecurity. They belong in here, and so you are not overna release. Um total mi kisa no release 25, see? I need to get my figures right, right? Um go into the wild.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:52

I got chips and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:54

Um high chance tracker, or jacket, could team batteria, and to say a jacket. So we must be caran ki a jacket, and we'll be replaced and then it's on hand.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:14

That's crazy. Jacked up wings, but you have to say right, we said no.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:21

Uh, but I woke using other manner chipping in the future. Um okay, but that's a bye. I walk n by the way. We have the them chips and read it. Um, there's a lot of community awareness that's missing for this. Um, we do town hall meetings, buy them body, but we have to do an education, stop doing that. Yes? No, we all are now for naturalism.

unknown 1:15:59

I agree.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:59

Okay. So we're in the monitoring, you know, those organizations international, World Paratrust and the Avifauna Hollanda, which are vocal park zoo. There's an area who is breeding, it's a reintroduction arruba. So as we can take away, we can use repopulate zona arruba. And obviously, we monitor. So we think walking is it people? Exactly. Um, sufficient food source, sufficient nesting site. Um, we can't very positive the reintroduction program a success of it. It's gonna continue for the next 20, 30 years. Um, but it's uh it's something that we will continue to do. And the same we want to also start kuprikichi, there's a breeding of prekichi. Um idea. Okay, so we're gonna have to do that. How about those? The pretty colors. No, yeah, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:04

Sorry. No, but you're going to keep putting water, all I'm I'm I'm hearing data, data, data. I'm not going to go.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:19

Being single. No.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:23

Damn.

Funding Conservation Like A Real Business

SPEAKER_07 1:18:26

Um how is it funded? Like, um, I mean, if you want. I would be the CEO.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:35

Like, how is it? Um where to start?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:42

Show me the money.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:44

Um, um 2023, so I introduced uh multi-annual corporate strategy. It's a it's a business. Conservation is a business, it's part of your economy. Brazil is a bong, it's a contact under the GDP, because that's a lot of money it brings in. Yeah. So part of the economy. But we have to do that. Um, DSA, we see in the beginning, we have organization. And this promenos park national, but because we got all these areas in the campaign park management, manage park for recreational purposes. And now we said no, we don't want that anymore. But nature needs its attention. Nature first.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:47

Outside of Aricock, like anywhere.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:49

Inside and outside of Arikok, it doesn't know any boundaries. And we said, hey, hey, we'll pass it. No, go back, go, go, go back. So we have a full process to reorganisation. Um, and we're creating the department of conservation, we have to terrestrial and marine, because we are also growing, but during that is quite functional tour directly to conservation, the ecological biolog, and special. We have names, we have a room, and we don't have a service fee. We'll have contract, and we are based on that, we're going to see management plans. So it's known by the party, a placa for the government, one-third the full budget, and the other party enter the park national, funding international. And we get these things from abroad. I mean, nature has money in it, it's own business. It's for a good cost too. It's for a good cost. You should sit with them too.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:26

Just talk about the water stuff. That's my girl Nicole. I mean, okay, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:31

We'll do, we'll do. Um, hopeful nice about it. Um nature conservation organizations. So no lag, they will take care of it. No, but we're not going to be able to do it. No, this is a good idea. So it's it takes a lot of time also to collaborate with a partnership, get them in the same mindset as you with you. Um, so it takes time.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:20

All of that is to get everybody on board, get the pitches ready, sit with shareholders. All of that is just a full-time job on its own. Okay, now let's go to care in nature. Like, I mean, on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:44

You don't get office time. That's not the Swiss Let me catch upcoming emails. Let me do this. But I mean, I have a really dedicated team. I mean, they're here sitting.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:54

Yeah. I'm here in the keyword. Yeah, they all tire. They are.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:57

I mean, their passion is with nature, and they say to be nice stambi. Um, it is a CEO, but a chief conservation officer. So it has a program on the natural and I do all the boring stuff of finance, yeah, HR, strategy, enjoy it. And you get to do podcasting, so um, it's a park management, just one director, and to get to do conservation. No, it needs attention, hence we're gonna do a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a dedicated full time to conservation natural. It it's it's a lot. Um catch up now. Um, um, restauration, but then we have to manage a trace. In all honesty, yes, if you are interested in trap naturales, please HR at us away, manabo save. Um, ecologists, do it with a passion, not so whatever. A passion for nature, I mean, a studio natural, but I was a Boy Scout, but I'm not sure. But that's a memory somewhere, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:41

Yeah, no, I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:43

No, I prey, we're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:54

That's how safe back then was though.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:59

I didn't of I had video games, but I didn't like it. So we samper to football, so I always enjoyed being outdoors.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:10

I think it's super important. This conversation in general just needed to happen. But so the amount of hindi nan ku no ni saaku, this is this all of this nature stuff is happening. Certain causes, like I miss um, baby sambi tanto cause no, I was like, damn, like I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:32

I be fucking that.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:34

Oh, 10%, but that's for another time. So before we close up, anything like one probably conversation or topic, like we should have tackled?

SPEAKER_06 1:25:46

Um, say it's part two. I think like give us like a uh like a teaser, like this would be our next conversation. I mean, I need to look at my comms.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:01

Like, okay, we tackled everything.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:02

This was a good conversation. You're thinking. But I think we tackled a lot of things. But I'm sure there's other things like we could go deeper over here.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:17

I mean, I talked to my papa. Um, we have a vision, it's a document, uh, it's in a document also. Um, but don't experience the Park National Aricock of Engage, but transform you but a custodian of nature. And so we're not going to be able to do that. You've heard about this, right? Okay. And to food filter eats, heard some croissants.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:11

Croissants.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:12

Very good croissants. I heard. It's the same chef that I heard.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:15

Yeah, yeah, great.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:17

So um Pero Turcos to thematizer. So it uh it's the theme of the landscape of the ecosystem. So you have Mondi Conservation Cafe. So it's about the landscape, it's designed to be a good thing. Minus conservation cafe. Do not take that away from me. Um, no, no, no. It's a bit inhumane, see but we let him go. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:56

I don't know how long ago that was.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:57

No, it's a long time ago.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:00

Been there.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:00

There you go.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:01

Well, I've been moving two years ago. Oh my god. Okay, never mind. Yes, and we'll do a full review done. Say let's it's happening.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:25

So restaurant in Nana. But if I've run by you guys. No. No, but not focus not on nature conservation organization. I agree. I'm not an FFB provider. Yeah, I agree. But you know, Nosta do concession and to bra let other people. Yes. I'm not gonna let my team do the purchasing, do everything. No, come on, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:55

Leave it to somebody else's inventory, second.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:58

We focus on being a nature conservation organization.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:01

So that's thanks for cutting me off right away.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:03

No, no, no, it's just good, guys. No, but

Rock Stacking Damage And Quick Fire Myths

SPEAKER_07 1:29:11

uh nature needs its attention. So down the road, we will be make it look very cool, very naturally, right? See, see, so the idea nature ta incorporated in everything that we do. Um so we say, okay, but for now we focus on nature.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:29

I agree. Good.

unknown 1:29:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:30

Um, guys, also just to add one more thing, guys, rock stacking is not a thing. Okay, it is not no damn good luck, no nada, okay? I saw Dushitera experience, they be kicking them down. Yeah, yeah. They do tours of people, but they kick them down.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:42

It's a nice uh stress uh matchman strategy.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:48

We should go do one.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:50

Where is this?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:51

Um the bushiribana, the sticking over the bushiribana, pida. And they trust the 03 cabs, like trash the tier del sold it.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:04

I never even heard these names before.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:06

What is this?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:08

It's your island!

SPEAKER_07 1:30:09

It's your island, and mosquita is a plant, no?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:17

It's like we mosquita, no, no, it's mata.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:22

Um see, it transmitting rock sacking happening, so uh yeah. Oh guys, stop! I know very quick because we need to wrap up. Yeah, yeah. And so are the dye in habitat. Rocks now, but it turns down, this is what you can see, and I'm not gonna be able to nest, the santapone redder, a floor, and the hope trapa nang. There's be very mindful. Um yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:04

I learned a lot of shit today, man. Now, for real, for real.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:15

So the next time around, what do we mention?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:21

Give me 10 plants real quick. Like, we can be team. Show them.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:33

No, but we can keep the invitation. But make this aware of awareness raising, um, in the full extent. Like, if we have a learning professors now of researchers and media four, and plant species are those ayah. No, but it's not undecked. Um stocky ding stocky.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:41

Stop!

SPEAKER_07 1:32:42

So actually, no, no, it's a walkie-parse talking. I know what I mean. For the first time. So by the verse than we think. I mean, there's a lot of things cool.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:01

You guys you guys do tours, like walk tours?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:03

Like hiking, hiking, yes. Okay. Yes, um, hiking tours.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:08

We might do that, sorry. No, I don't like hiking. I'm sorry. But that's early in the morning, let's say in the evening. But like, what if we wanted to go and like learn like mata, wanga say?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:22

Seriously. Sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:25

Will you be up for it?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:26

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:32

Fuck that.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:34

That's why that's why I draw the line. They don't do me shit. Nah, I'm not sure. No, I mean, too costing.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:45

It's protected by law, yes. You see?

SPEAKER_05 1:33:46

What?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:47

Yes, you're not about to kill Pega Pega.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:54

I didn't know that by the law.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:56

I don't fucking know. Good. I'm gonna tell my wife that now.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:01

Come on, Sam, like they are protected.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:06

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:09

You can go to jail for that. You're not allowed to kill them. They are protected by the law.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:15

I'm talking about doesn't poor. Everything.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:19

Hey, I'm an interconservation person.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:21

I'll tell you, everything is protected. Um, protect them. No, unless you throw them in the music.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:26

Pero just going back to the law, um actually gara a poor lead to a verb caskable, lead na shing mild boot of three in prison.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:35

Oh in prison three years, bro. Or lucky caskability. Yeah. So they find me beat them on my off-road.

Legal Protections And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_06 1:34:46

Side note.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

I was like, why you should have find why? What the fuck? I'm not gonna find you. I can't give me a bit.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:52

Side note was earlier about cuneo and to bring it up. Um Luna Pasa, those lunapasa, I'm gonna look at the team again. Um, and to bring us a spot for the first time. This we hope, and to remind this the white ones or the the gray ones. The white ones are not from here? No.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:18

The way you said it. My childhood. Okay, sorry. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:26

Next, okay, you spotted. Okay, so we spotted eight.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:28

So soon actually going good. So we are happy managed to spot. Um yeah, I mean, so no, sorry.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:42

No, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:48

Quick and then stop me.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:49

Yeah, okay, bong.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:50

Um, so I pass, right? Um, and then we can see that. There's no loud music, no uh big lights, so everything it's a silent run. So mass possible, slow down, no rushing. Um, and to the base. Um sorry, animal of IC. We didn't get any reported, but it's super nice, but they are there, and that's the reason why we're also there. It's a very humble work that we do. It's very stressful. I mean, uh it's fulfilling.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:56

But I think nature, I think nature thanks y'all. Like honestly, I know worry, and it's not lista. No, but everybody should worry. No, but that's the that's the good about it. The the the work like the team does. The fact that y'all do these type of things, the home poly on a regular basis, they're not busy as schedules, not stop and pay attention. Hey, Busaki go, this is something's house.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:26

Yeah, yeah. And I have to say again, we cannot do it alone. We need the community. Um, nota turcos no sa. We might do uh mistakes also because everything is new. Um, we're not going to be able to do this.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:43

Hey man, guys. Awesome. You heard it here. Don't play with it.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:46

Alright, guys, so obviously we're gonna do

Part Two Tease And Closing

SPEAKER_06 1:37:48

a part two at some point down the road. Um, probably in the other I am spacial. Yeah. Guys, so we guys learned something this week. And uh make sure you subscribe, leave a comment down below. Peace. Ayo the