Why Aruba's UTV Industry Is Fighting Back | EP 251

The conversation around UTVs in Aruba has become one of the island's most polarizing debates. But what does the issue look like from inside the industry?

Jimmy Douglas, owner of Aruba Riva, joins us to explain how legal UTV tour operators are regulated, why they believe they're being blamed for problems caused by illegal rentals, and what practical solutions could better protect Aruba's nature while improving tourism safety.

We dive into permits, inspections, insurance, the A-plate loophole, enforcement, sustainable tourism, conservation efforts, and why Jimmy believes the answer isn't banning UTVs—but creating smarter regulations that everyone actually follows.

Whether you support UTV tours or think they should disappear altogether, this episode challenges assumptions and adds important context to one of Aruba's biggest ongoing conversations.

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Transcript

Nature Protections And Off-Road Tension

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Everybody in Aruba saying that you know nature needs protection. Do they even know what Aruba has in place to protect and preserve nature already or no? We have the marine park, zona di dispedicius. No cars on the beach, no cars in the dunes, no single surf plastics on the island. The 6040 rule when you get a piece of land, the park that you cannot go to already. And then we have a moratorium on more permits. What else can I do for you to get off my back?

SPEAKER_01 0:24

I think ATV should be fully banned on this island. Sorry. I don't like none of the two. So if you have to pick one with a seat. Y'all acting like there's like wind protection. The whole thing is just open. It's a piece of metal, piece of metal, and you got a seatbelt. I can't stand none of those things. It's too much sun out here. It's hot, it's sweaty, it's sand, all over.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

No. I think it's unfortunate when I have to see that in Aruba, people with no permits. People with no permits, this is people from the Aruba Tourism Authority giving premium to a tour guide with no permiso. Oh shit. With an A plate, baby.

Welcome And A Guest With Receipts

SPEAKER_05 1:03

Hey yo, what's up? I'll lie, chemisters. Guys, welcome back to the ABC's Island of Favorite Podcast, No Filter of Paradise, a show about you already know anything and everything between two friends. One is straight and the other.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Super duper black and gay babies.

SPEAKER_05 1:14

Alright, guys, today's guest um walked in behind me with receipts. Perr. Only a few people in the past have done this. Like uh Tisa has done this. Who else has done this?

SPEAKER_01 1:25

But the thing is, Tisa didn't even. Nigel also brought receipts. Nigel bought receipts too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. But these receipts are thick.

SPEAKER_05 1:32

Yeah. Yeah. Thick like me. I'm looking at them right now. Listen. But guest Aoi, um, we've always heard the other side of the stories. So when it comes to the U TV world, we always heard like Natamalo, and we've done multiple invitations. Like subtle invited Asi But if you own a U TV or you work in the industry, let us know. Vinu Show, Maxinta. We've said it multiple times in the past. And today we have none other than Mr. Jimmy Douglas. Welcome to the show. He's someone that saw the bait. Like, I'm gonna take that bait and then fuck it. Let's get it.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

He actually threw his own bait, actually. He was like, fuck y'all's bait. Like, here is mine. Like, put me on.

SPEAKER_05 2:12

He emailed us and then he told us his side of the story, and we're like, I as always, but no further though.

SPEAKER_01 2:21

Yeah. Hold up. Yeah, not everybody.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Yeah, let's just keep it there.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah. You gotta make sense for the conversation and pop, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

So and then we get to hear a different side of the story. So, Jimmy, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Samil. Thank you, Shark. And let me just say something. You guys are straight savages for letting me on this thing. I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

100%. I feel like we're about to get a show today.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

Yeah, yeah, no, we on. We on.

SPEAKER_05 2:47

I mean, I I thought Shark, I expect. Like, I really because my email, uh, Zenatama contact us and Alexa.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Shout out to Alexa, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

And uh also, and that's it. We never did like was that with Facebook, but you're very vocal. Um, a few people. Um, so we're gonna be diving a few of these questions. And then when I say you walk in with receipts, and I was like, oh shit. All right, this guy means business because I I didn't know what to expect. Really, I didn't know. I just home, all right. Let's see what Jimmy has to say, and then we'll roll with the punches.

SPEAKER_01 3:23

And let me let me just add though, I feel like you did come in with really good energy. Thank you. The energy was you brought the energy up in the room. So let me just make it straight. It's not like he's coming on some hater shit or nothing like that. No, like let me just make that very, very, very clear. The energy is really giving good vibes. Okay, man, excited for this conversation.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Me too, me too, gentlemen. Both, both. And I'm like I said, I the idea on this podcast is not to break nobody, it's just to get the message out there, yeah, just to set the record straight, basically. And you know, hopefully, when people are done watching this episode for today, they're gonna be like, hey man, let's go do a U TV tour.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

And with Jimmy, we boxed with Jimmy, we boxed with Jimmy.

SPEAKER_05 4:00

So give a little bit

Jimmy’s Backstory And Why He Cares

SPEAKER_05 4:02

of background. Who's Jimmy Kimbota? Kimbotahas. I know obviously you own a U TV company. Right. So, like, let's let's give a little bit of your backstory.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Yeah, who's Jimmy? What did you start, and how long have you been in the in this industry?

SPEAKER_00 4:12

All right, actually, I've been in this industry very, very briefly, actually, only about four or five years at the moment. But a little bit background, I'm actually 44 years old. I was born in Amsterdam, so I'm from the Netherlands. Okay, and my father was born here on the island, and he had a hunkering to come back to the island in the early 90s. I was five or six at the time. So you don't have much to say back then. So yeah, yeah. So here I am. But I love Aruba to death, and I think you know, that's just I've never been anywhere else but here. So uh what me, where are you from? I say Aruba, but you can speak. Arubian. So just to kind of you know, kind of fill out, check the boxes. I uh I finished the University of Aruba here, so I have a bachelor's in marketing, and I also um worked for other companies. So I did the marketing for Balashi not too long ago. No way! Yes, yes. I was part of the task force to uh to that launched the uh the chill back in the day, the the first one that was us, that was us, me and a few of my other colleagues that no longer work there. Some of them actually don't know. Yeah, yeah. And then I uh then I worked at a at a sunglass store for a little bit. Really? And I think all of that really helped me to shape who I am today. And what do I mean to say by that? I worked for a big corporation, so when I worked for a big corporation, I learned about organization and structure, but I also worked for mom and pop's family stores, and there I learned about creativity and passion and dreams. Yeah, and when the time was right, I ended up getting these permits, and I said, never look back. And I've been on my own for the past five years, so could keep going, hopefully, if they let us.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Listen, listen. I feel like, and that is the conversation that we're gonna be having for today is about you saying, like, if they let us. So I

The Compliance Checklist For Legal Tours

SPEAKER_01 5:48

think that is a good way for us to segment into one of the first questions that we got from one of our um followers that says, Will the government actually regulate it? It's so damaging to the land and animals. What is your take on that?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Well, I think before we go back and and we look at all the statements that we see on Facebook, I mean a lot of them are uneducated. I'm not trying to pin out and point out any of the people that are. Welcome to No Filter. But one of the things that I'm saying is the UTV business is one of the most heavily regulated segments in the market, as is. Really? I promise you one thing. Each one of the drivers, it okay, let me rephrase that. If you do it legally, okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Let's talk now. Let's go. Go in. So we're gonna talk about that a little later. I think about it.

SPEAKER_05 6:29

I was gonna ask, I was gonna ask, wait, what do you mean? What's the difference between like what would you consider illegally? Wait, let him finish first.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Finish what you're saying first, and then we're gonna get into it.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Yeah. And so what we're talking about is we have uh uh the the business and it's it's it's heavily regulated. So what I mean to say by heavily regulated, all of our vehicles have to go through inspection every year by DE. Yes, they are subject to triplified insurance rates compared to a regular A-plate. We have to get our permits from the DayTePay, Departamento di Transporte Publico. We also have to deal with inspections, lusting, bekurring, and all that type of stuff. We cannot drive in the park, we cannot drive on the beaches. So uh the guides all need a green card to operate the tour. If you have a green card, that means that you passed a drug test, you passed the paper of good conduct, you passed a DTP exam certifying you to give tours out there, you have a papel of cinco, so you're not illegal, and you have to do a medical test at medwork. All right? So I'm still wondering where where where are the speakers that we're not regulated? The regulations got me messed up, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

I think they mean the the the whole like the the a a course. I don't know what to call it. Not course, but you know what I mean? Like the route. The route, yeah. Like make like make a route, which you kind of like, I guess you brought like a bunch of shit here. Which we're gonna talk about in a bit. I'm like, all right, I see it 2021. Like, yeah, but uh, I guess that's what they mean when it's like unregulated. It's like a free-for-all, plus there's a lot of permits. Everybody's starting a UTV business. Yeah, so what I'm I guess that's also like okay, when do you cap it? Yeah, next thing you know, there's like more UTVs than fucking automobiles, like no, no, you know, you are and you're you're asking the right question, Samil.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

You really are. One of the things is there has been a moratorium in place since Ursul was the prime minister. Oh, sorry, not the prime minister, the minister of this segment recently put in place. Currently, I do believe, if I'm not mistaken, there is a perm 500 permits for UTVs on the island.

SPEAKER_05 8:24

500?

SPEAKER_00 8:24

500 permits.

SPEAKER_05 8:26

What if I f why do I feel that there's more?

SPEAKER_00 8:28

Yeah, I know. We'll get to that part in a bit. Okay, and the illegal aspect of the business. But certified through DayTePay, there's 500 permits given out, if I'm not mistaken. And with that being said, those are the ones that have been given access and permission to operate tours on the island. And so the other ones that the growth that you see right now is something that is yeah, that has nothing to do with us. And so maybe the question should be instead of like why is it not regulated, why is it not controlled? Yeah, you guys? Who exercises the control? Who makes sure that everybody's living up to their end of the bargain? And that is what's lacking. Yeah. Everybody kind of knows it out there, and so it's a free-for-all with everything.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

That's true. Aruba is very much a free-for-all in a lot of different um areas, so and nobody controls anything.

SPEAKER_00 9:15

Nobody controls anything. And so now I'm I'm sitting here and I'm like in this case, the ones that do comply, the ones that do contribute, we only get sota. Yeah. And how can that be? Where is the why are you not sticking up for us? We're we're playing by the rules. We're we're not short. We we pay you, we pay the taxes and the fines and the fees and the monies and the permits, and you still want to stop what we're doing. How? Tell me how. It's it's I'm not illegal.

SPEAKER_05 9:43

I'm like excited because I want to ask a lot of things. It's like so many things, and he's like, I don't want to, I don't want to cut him off because I and I know if I have that's why I'm writing shit down because if I don't ask it right away, bro, delete okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Next question. Yeah, because the topic and the things I'm saying, you might not have heard it. Because all you've ever heard about UTVs is, oh, there's other things, the trees, the birds, and the bees. Of course, I understand. I'm not saying that it doesn't affect it, I'm not saying that it doesn't, but I'm just questioning the degree to which you claim it is and to which I see that it is. Because I'm out in the field.

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

When I'm out in the field, I want to talk to the soldiers. I don't want to talk to the generals in the office. Tell me what's going on in the front line, boys. What's going on there? Yeah. I don't need to hear what's going on from somebody that's sitting behind a computer. AC. Come on, buddy.

SPEAKER_05 10:27

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Permit Cap And Illegal A-Plate Rentals

SPEAKER_05 10:51

You said something about illegal a-plates. What does what does kicketine on? Yeah, so well that's it that's a good sorry, because you said there's only 500 permits. Right. But I can see there's GTVs.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

So sorry, real quick, just to add on to what you're saying, the 500, does that also include companies like ABC Tours and all of them? Or are they part of that 500? Yes. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, so 500, so 500 would be all the big corporations that you see out there. I do believe in total, I was speaking to somebody that's been in the field for about 50 years doing this stuff. And according to this person, it's about 20 companies, tour operators, that have the 500 permits dispersed amongst themselves. Now, to give you an example, for example, me, I have 25. So I have 25 UTVs. All right. I have some Jeeps, I have some buses, I have some stuff, but that's about it. All right. But I cannot grow. My business can't grow. You know, like if you have, you know, something, let's say I own the barbershop. I want to open up a barbershop in San Nicolas, I can do it. I can open one in Pochiquito, I can do it. I can open one up in there. But now I have a UTV business and it's capped where it's capped. Only way up is by upping the price. But then, yeah, everything else around it goes up too, so the profit goes down, and then yeah, you know how the rest goes. So yeah, and that's where we are right now. But to touch back on you with the illegal place, what happens is a lot of people right now, they go to the chamber of commerce, they register a business. Call it, call it No Filter in Paradise Tours.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:17

And you go and you register, I want to be a tour operator and everything like that. So you have the Chamber of Commerce saying, Hey, I'm a tour, I'm a tour company. But you lack the permits to be able to rent vehicles to somebody and make money. You understand? And so that's what you lack. And so what people do then, they go and they register A-plates. But as I mentioned previously, A-plates pay one-third of the insurance costs that we pay.

SPEAKER_04 12:40

Because from Wait, what kind of plates do you have? I have V plates. V. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

So they are considered commercial plates. Yeah. Commercials are subject to more risk, also, therefore, subject to more rate. So you can already imagine if somebody is paying cheap insurance, no permits, and if they see no taxes.

SPEAKER_05 12:58

And if they see that's happening, they're like, oh, why are we getting V plates? Why would I register that?

SPEAKER_00 13:02

But on the register, where's the incentive? And I'm sure in that group there are people that want to, but that also know that they are no longer giving out the permits. So let's talk about enforcement. We need to talk about stop regulating, stop giving us a bad name, stop talking shit. Just regulate it already. Enforce the regulation that's been set in place. And I promise you, everything is gonna balance itself out. Okay, so Jamie, now I need to know from you.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

Okay, what would a uh a regulated situation look like? Because do you are do you agree that there should only be that that 500? Do you agree that there should be a way that you can probably lose it, that somebody else can gain it? This way we don't over I mean, how much UTVs can the island actually hold in general anyway? So should we add more and now a bunch more people have a bunch of more of them? Or should we like what what is the solution for you? Like what would you say?

SPEAKER_00 13:56

I think, like you said, I think like you said, no, if you ask 10 people, you're gonna get 10 different appears.

SPEAKER_01 13:59

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

And I am of the opinion that you should not issue no more permits. What is there is there unless, but leave us alone with what we got. All right, we've been through enough, we've suffered enough, guys. The online abuse is real. Yeah, you understand? It's toxic out there, man. And so I do not want to see more permits be activated. No, I want mine and everybody else who complies to have theirs. The ones that don't comply, take it from them and give it to people that are deserving to have them.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

Okay, so what are what are regulations that to be like, okay, this is why you you do you this is how you can lose it if you don't comply with these rules? What would those rules look like? Being from somebody from the field.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

If I had it my way, if I had it my way, clock it, isn't it? No, if your guys are drunk or high, out. Okay, if you drive reckless out, if you don't have insurance or the paperwork in order, out, if you have old and raggedy equipment out. I this is safe. You need we need to take this seriously because if you do not take it seriously, there is the risk of injury. And we also don't want to hurt people.

SPEAKER_03 14:59

And we've seen it right. And we have seen people lose their legs, people die.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

People have died. That's some of the questions that we have as well. And we're gonna talk about that in a minute. But again, you said I came in carrying receipts. I have a Verdure Zamings plan here that I shared with the government already of Aruba that basically When did you share this? With one of the advisors of the government. When, when, when, when? Uh early May. Early May. This year. Yeah, this year. Okay, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Right, right before the right before the fatal accident, actually. And I know it's not funny to mention, obviously, but just to kind of put it into context as to whether when it was shared. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And in this, this is a 16-page document, and this covers basically the industry even further. It's in Dutch.

unknown 15:40

Damn.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Yeah. I gotta think. He's like, oh, I gotta make my man. Make it in English, bro. Yeah, yeah. Hey, chat, uh translate this. Chat is odd. Chat is on.

SPEAKER_05 15:54

Bro, I'm like, please, I see Dutch, like, please be in English. Fucking Dutch.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:58

So sorry, continue.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

But some some of the some of the things, one of the things that I think that also helps spur on the illegal activity with the A-plates that we've been mentioning, is that, for example, I like I just mentioned, I have 25 machines. And if I'm due for a new fleet of machines, what am I gonna do? I take the 25 that I have and I sell it to somebody else to get a down payment to buy the 25 new ones. So now instead of 25, I have 50 machines on the road. Now, in this plan, there is a rule, uh something that I suggested where make it so when you issue the permit, when the when you go get new machines, you have to destroy the old ones. And in exchange, you get a credit on your import duties for that set amount.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

But if you destroy it, where do you like where do you leave it? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 16:48

As in like metal or strap metal, you take it to that and you just break it, break it down for parts all the way down, you crush it.

SPEAKER_05 16:55

You crush it and you wreck it, and you just but then like just thinking, then me as a business owner, like at what point do I ever profit or lock? Because now every single I say every five years I have to buy new machines.

SPEAKER_00 17:07

Oh no, hold on. No, trust me. But the I don't know the business inside out, like I don't, but uh you know, if you look at the online chat, a lot of them are like they're all about the money. Yeah, the money is good, okay? I ain't gonna lie, the money is good. However, the expenses are also good. Yeah, the fuel also goes up good. You understand? Everything is there. So our machines, me personally, if my machines go two years, they gone a long time. Damn, they depreciate like that. If you're lucky by 18 months, normally you already replaced your whole fleet. 18 months. But that's that's I like to do it properly, and I like to make sure that my machines are always safe and good to drive. Now, there are companies that push drop, squeeze the last drop of juice out of the out of the orange to make sure they get everything rented.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I've rented some of those before. Yeah, fuckbound. Serial? Yeah, fuckbo, whoever you are.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

Yeah, which is which is again unfortunate because it might have helped you shape a narrative that said, like, hey coin, man, these pieces of shit like shouldn't be renting these things, but they do. And that's when the accidents happen. And that's that's the dangerous part. We take it very seriously, you know what I mean? And it's unfortunate that we get penalized for other people's fuck-ups.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:15

And that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

Takes one bad apple, though. Oh that's fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 18:19

Everybody's like that guy. Yeah. Like correct um. But it's it's it's like this there there is no distinction anywhere, whether it be media, government, hospital, insurance companies, media, anything like you said, between an ATV and a UTV. They are two very different machines.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

I don't understand. Sorry, I don't know why people still rent ATVs.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

I'm a diamond. Why would you hold your thumb the whole time? I hate it. And you're exposed to the bro, get a UTV, get a nice chair, get the one with the speakers. I hate UTVs.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Get yourself a roll cage. Protect yourself.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

I think ATV should be fully bound. This island, sorry. Just go full U TV. Go full UTV. As in full UTV. Like UTV is a safer.

SPEAKER_01 18:59

It's in here.

SPEAKER_05 19:00

It's in here. It's safer.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

But the problem is. UTV is not safe. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 19:03

A UTV is safer than an ATV.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

I don't like it. I don't like none of the two. So if you had to pick one. With AC, baby. Let's go to Conti now. The rocks are already scary back there. You're just right. You're like, what? At least you have to have a chance. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 19:21

Bro, your body's flying over there.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Okay, that UTV, there's no freaking window. What are we talking? Y'all acting like there's like wind protection. The whole thing is just open. It's a piece of metal, piece of metal, and you got a seatbelt. What?

SPEAKER_05 19:32

Helps.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Oh, hell no. I can't stand none of those things. It's too much sun out here. It's hot. It's sweaty. Sand all over. No. Take me in a in a in a nice little Jeep with AC. We can go wherever you want to.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

I think I think the moral, the point of the story is that you want to stay in the vehicle, is what you're saying. Most definitely. And with a UTV during a flip or an accident, you do stay in the vehicle. And you know, the vehicle gets mangled. I'm not saying that there's not a way to get wrecked. You can wreck it pretty well.

SPEAKER_05 20:00

You might get hurt a little bit, hit your head, but it's, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

But you're gonna, the chance, chances are you are gonna walk away from it. You understand what I mean? And so, and and again, and again, coming back to what I said a minute ago, if you ask 10 people, you get 10 opinions. Of course. That's even between the tour operators that are on the field. You might get another tour operator here in a week from now saying, like, hey, what Jimmy said was bullshit. I don't I don't believe in none of that shit. Because he has another interest to serve. Yeah. I'm sitting here serving the UTV community's interest. Yeah. But I'm not about to sit here and say, hey, quads are awesome.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:34

I own a quad. I have a Yamaha Raptor for me, my toy that I like to play with. But I don't want to rent it to no tourists because I know what kind of headache comes along with these type of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 20:43

And they're not gonna uh take care of it as you would. No, of course not. Oh, a break, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

And that's gonna cost you like fuck 800 bucks. But that's part of renting, I feel like, in general. Once you rent something to somebody, they're not gonna take care of it because it's not theirs.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

So And I think you just touched on another very interesting topic.

Rentals Versus Guided Tours And Costs

SPEAKER_00 20:59

In the same 16-page document that I made, I I advised, or my humble opinion, is to stop rentals, period. Stop rentals. So by no means, the let them go out on tour. Yeah, but a certified guy.

SPEAKER_05 21:17

That was one of my questions. Like, do you think it's it's no more going solo, or it has to be with a guy? Because otherwise, if you go solo, you're gonna get the ones that go then according to Santa Blanco and the best fucking donuts.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

So I was that was that was gonna be one of my questions.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

So one of those things, and again, I'm I know I'm stepping on a lot of toes here, but again, no filter, so whatever.

SPEAKER_05 21:37

But sorry, at least what they bada be shoki. Okay, so you're you're you're standing up. You've always heard the other side bashing you guys. Nobody from your side came to the show.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

You're the first one, so yeah, yeah. And we ain't we ain't finna bash nobody here today. Nah, that's not just explaining what it really is.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Understand. Listen, y'all have been getting a bad rap for sure. Been part of the part of giving y'all a bad rep. I'm not even gonna sit here and act like nah, but some of the full company. No, I was like, cancel now, like wrap it up. Yeah, cuz we're not seeing that. And now, like, but you're basically explaining, like, hey, listen, there are some bad apples, there are people that are doing it the wrong way, and de verdad, you're also agreeing, they should be banned, they should be stopped, like remove their permits if they have one, you know.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

So, but it's like it's like if if I know I don't want to joke or or or or make fun of the situation, but if somebody has cancer, you remove the cancer, you don't kill the person. Exactly. So, this is the same thing. UTV segment has cancer. Take out the cancer, yeah, let it let it survive, let it go. It's don't need to die. Yeah, you understand? There are people that do do it good. I promise you, they are. I don't, I don't, I I happen to be one of them, but there's more that do that. There's more of them that do it good.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Imagine you're like, I'm not one of them.

SPEAKER_01 22:54

I'm like, wait, what? I do what I want, I make donuts.

SPEAKER_02 22:59

I'm like, no, I mean otherwise, why you here. No, no, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

I understand. But I I get where you're coming from. I get where you're coming from. And like and like it's the same thing. When in in every segment you have that, you know, you have certain clubs that when you go into, you it's it's different than others, but it's different strokes for different folks.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Hey.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

I always believe that if you want to come to Aruba and you want to lay on the beach and you want to go watch birds, go do it. It's your vacation. But if you want to come on vacation and you want to do a UTV tour, you should be able to do it. Because it's regulated, it's legal to do so, and we're doing it in a safe manner. Other than that, don't do it. And is that I don't think that's too much to ask. I think that's I think that's right. I like I like that. Because I feel like right now, 2026, everybody's always trying to tell each other what to do. Where's that coming from? I'm a grown ass man. I pay my taxes, I take care of my family, man. And I think if I have some free time and I want to do something that ain't against the law or hurting anybody or doing stuff, then leave me be. Leave me alone. Is that I don't believe that's too much to ask. But some people, to some people, it is. And what happens is, in my opinion, again, this is my opinion, but it's it's gone too extreme. They're weaponizing nature against us. Yeah. And you know how easy it is because everybody loves nature. Even me, the so-called destroyer, I love nature too. I like to take my family on a hike in the in the in the park and I do that. I go to the beach, I relax. But it's not all doom and gloom, guys. Aruba is beautiful, Aruba is still paradise. Don't let the videos of uh one tour stopping on the beach for 30 minutes ruin that perception. Because it's not true. If you go to the beach today at five o'clock or you go to Eagle when there is no shipping, I bet you you get 100 meters each side to yourself. Because that's just the way it is. But these folks on Facebook and social, they know when to go, where to go to make it look like there is a problem. Why? Why are you instigating everybody against one another? I feel like that's that's that's bad.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Okay, I feel like that's it's a yes and a no. Okay. Because we can't, we at the same time, I feel like we also have to acknowledge that there is a big with mass tourism. Yeah, we can't say that it it's not, it's it most definitely is happening, and I don't think it's the UTV's fault or nothing like that. I think this is just a regulation problem. True. We just don't know how to regulate nothing, and it clearly shows because it's free-for-all ding tour aspecto. Now we have a free-for-all with how many people are just coming into Aruba. Now we have a free-for-all with people doing illegal tours and and probably maybe not even doing tours, just renting out to like for crazy. And so there's a lot of things that are happening, and because we don't have the regulation in place, is why we're getting to this place. And I feel like we have to get to a point where we have to stop fighting each other and probably have to come to the table and just actually sit down and be like, okay, so what is your perspective? What is my perspective? Let's come together to a middle ground. Let's find that balance. Like, what is something that we can both agree on and we can just be like, listen, I'm not gonna bother you, you're not gonna bother me. Because I we've seen like uh a lot of people complain and say, like, hey, no, like of the ATV sides, like this is our bread, this is how we make our money. How do you mean you want to just stop it in general? So please let's break that, go into that a little bit more. But I mean, could not get a stop it completamente or before this is bigger, like you said a minute ago, um shark.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

This is bigger than just UTVs. Somebody gotta explain to me why why the country is investing 300 million in an expansion of the airport, but you want to bring less people in. I've I've said this multiple times. Are we are we kidding ourselves right now? Gentlemen, yeah, this is this is not, and this this is not like a $30,000 remodelation, no? This is a couple hundred million.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

And the milli is a lot of people. I've said I've said it before as well as like you people say, like, hey, Bamba quantity and focus on quality, but at the same time, your action is saying expanding airport. I'm like, but wait a second, doesn't that mean more people are gonna come to the airport?

SPEAKER_01 27:01

We're bringing in spirit airlines, yeah. I'm like, that's not really that shut down for the thing.

SPEAKER_05 27:05

Yeah, maybe they're coming back, who knows? But like, yeah, yeah, you want to you want to bring like Emirates, for example, airlines to the Aruba. I mean, it's a long shot. I brought I said this in the past, but I agree. Like, it's expanding airport patrasia.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

And and and and let me let me just say no that the message that they're saying is like, hey, we want more quality people as opposed to what we're getting just quantity. I agree with that statement.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

Quality can't come to the regular airport?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

That's what I'm but no, no, no, of course, 100%. We we I didn't ask for this fancy upgrade, did you? Absolutely not. No, exactly. So, I mean, we didn't ask for it, but it happened anyway, and your tax dollars are paying for it, as are yours, as are mine. And so that to me is the issue. How come we paying taxes for a table at which we have no seat or voice? Ekoi. Ekoi. Jimmy, I fucked with you.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Come on now. I fucked with Jimmy, y'all fucked with Jimmy, okay? Because I fucked with Jimmy. I'm asking a serious question.

SPEAKER_00 28:03

Let me let me repeat the question one more time. Look into the camera. Let the people. I want to know why my tax dollars are funding a table at which I have no seat or voice. That's what I want to know. Plain and simple. Because we have a lot of foundations that are tax exempt because they don't pay by dealing. They they the tax dollars go to them, which obviously I'm not questioning their cause or whether the validity or whether they should or shouldn't be there. But we contributing, baby. You know, we're putting in this, we're putting in money in the slot machine, everybody taking spins, but when the jackpot hit, I can't get a piece of the jackpot, I can't celebrate with you, I can't do nothing. I don't even feel like we even get an opportunity if it's fair.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Like, we just put in the money and like, okay, put the money in, now go in the back of the line again.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

But you see what I mean? I get it. And so where do we draw the line? Like again, a minute ago I touched on it. They're weaponizing the environment against most things that they disagree with. Except for what about Rosso and Tereno di 40, mil vircante meter? Oh, then nobody wants to blink or bat an eye. But now Roy Santo na rosa, na Kadushi Largo na rosa, na Santa Lucia na rosa, na Alto Vista na rosa. Ros Maggio?

SPEAKER_01 29:16

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, let's get into this. Let's get into this.

Weaponizing Nature And The Greg Feud

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Listen, you you you got me fucked up. I'm lit now. Let's get it. Okay, so by the bubble Facebook, we can see some shit going down. Okay, and you've been calling out this Greg guy from Aruba Bird Life Conservation. You know who you are, Mr. Greg. Like, come through. So, one of the things that we saw is that you called him out for being uh fake ass for basically saying that he's all against that all of this UTV stuff and all this good, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then he goes and signs or goes along with some type of deal where they rosa some terreno and that they're gonna build some type of thing on there. And now it's like, oh, so now not fuck the owls, now not fuck the like what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Yeah, that's exactly what that is. Yeah, that's exactly what that is.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Okay, let's let's get into it. What is this?

SPEAKER_00 30:05

So, so you know, obviously, we also do the research and stuff like that, and we, you know, there's certain people from certain foundations that get funded by certain corporations. They get funded by sponsorships, they get funded for certain things that they do, certain actions. You can already imagine somebody that don't really work, how do you where do you get the money to go take the gubiano to corte?

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Oh where do you get the money from? Wait, he don't work?

SPEAKER_00 30:28

I'm asking you. He got let go. He got let go by the free zone a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

But that's oh genocide.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

No, but the the the thing is like this we want to stop UTVs because we need to preserve the nature and the this and the that and the this and the that and all that. Okay, great. But if you are if you were sincere in wanting me gone, you would have to be sincere in there not being built a new hotel in the soul.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

There is no other way. Where's that being built exactly? Because I heard it's like across Arashi they're gonna be building something.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

I I hear, I again, I don't know too much about it, but I know all I know is there's a hotel coming. Yeah?

SPEAKER_01 31:08

So whether it's on the clear side or on the Arashi, I heard. There's one there.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

There's also one by Morgan's Island where Morgan's condos. Well, that's gonna be another one of the hotel from uh from the same one that uh Iberosa?

SPEAKER_01 31:22

I think so, yeah. Them.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

Oh, yeah, but right behind Iberosa, we're gonna build another building.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

They have they have another one there. And then also inside. Superfood, there's another one. I I think that's a condominium coming there by Superfood.

unknown 31:33

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

So so my point is this. My point is this. If you are Mr. Green Thumb and you want to protect nature, protect it from everything. Not just the ones that don't pay you and the ones who do give you something, you're like, ah no, you get a pass. Yeah. I would have paid you some myself if I knew I was gonna get a pass. Yeah. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 31:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

I gotta go buy a couple of plastic tubes at Koimont, put them in the ground, all of a sudden the Shoko got a house?

unknown 32:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Come on, man. Who are we kidding over here, guys? Who we kidding over here?

SPEAKER_05 32:04

I might be super wrong with this one. But I did hear a story similar about the same person. About he was bashing, I guess, I don't know if it's secrets or somebody else.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

I know he bashed everybody.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

Yeah. And this was one of them. And then he stopped because he got a payout, and then he just stopped talking about it. Oh. That's what I heard. And this is this is completely unrelated. I don't know. I met you like 30 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

Yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah. 30 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_05 32:30

This came from another stores as well. So that's why I'm like, I could have sworn somebody like told it, because Shark and I, sometimes people. People that's come up to us and like, or just tell us stories.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

But let me ask you something. Let me ask you both some. You guys when we started, you said you had some, you guys have been doing this for six years. Let's say you had it, you had this business for 10 years, but you had somebody running your business into the ground for 10 years. Would you still hug this person in public, listen to what he gotta say, follow him and his radical ideas as somebody in government?

SPEAKER_01 33:03

No.

SPEAKER_00 33:03

Nah, I cut cutting your bitch ass off. So somebody gotta explain to me why this why this person still gets heard by our politicians. You already did enough damage. What what more do you want to break? What more you wanna break, bro?

SPEAKER_05 33:17

What what sorry maybe I'm just gonna blame what damage?

SPEAKER_00 33:20

No, so like there it and again, what I'm saying here, it's in the media, no? It's not Jimmy making it up. This is not AI generated like the bullshit images he'd be posting.

SPEAKER_05 33:33

That dude came with receipts. So, like, I remember it. Proper. So this is this is not you making shit up, is it's you saying like, hey guys, it's been said in the media, I brought receipts.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

So, yeah, so the free zone got turned into a hot mess under his charge.

SPEAKER_05 33:47

Now, I guess people for people that don't know that don't know what's a free zone.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Free zone, and again, I could be wrong here, but free zone is a place where you can hold cargo on an island and not have to pay duties and stuff like that before you ship it out again. So it's a free zone, but it's it's commercial enterprise, so you move and stuff, people get work and stuff like that. And he was the director of that. Now imagine, and because this is funny because you know, anyway, in 1996, when he got placed into that function, 1996, listen to me, good. He was making 12,000 a month as the director of this set organization. In 96. Corrected to inflation, that's $25,000.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

That's what I'm saying. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

I was gonna do the math. I'm like, never mind, you did it for me. I did all that. No, I came in with receipts and everything. We're coming on, we're coming on.

SPEAKER_05 34:32

So, so oh sorry, before we continue, Mr. Greg, we always do this. You're always gonna come on the show. Yeah, because we got questions for you. And we got we've got questions, and feel free to contradict whatever he said. So yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And bring receipts, he brought receipts.

SPEAKER_00 34:48

Yeah, yeah, you gotta come correct.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

Yeah, no shame.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

No, but but but again, my problem with Greg or anybody that wants to protect nature is not that you want to protect nature. All right. My beef or my problem with you is to the extreme degree that you want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Be consistent with it all out.

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Well, not only that, you're too extreme. Like I said, in the But extreme on one side. No, but like if you're extreme, let's say, for example, right now, with the closure of this road behind the lighthouse that I mentioned all the way to the chapel, they put big, big boulders and you cannot cross anymore. So you just took that, you took that, and you said no more UTV's number, Jeeves number, everything.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

How does it affect?

SPEAKER_00 35:31

No, no, no, but no, but my my what the point I'm trying to make is you couldn't have said, like, hey man, hey, I want 95%, but make sure the people that are using it can have 5% so they can keep providing for their families. No, you don't care about me or my family or none of that, or any of these 500 families that are out there working. You don't care about none of them. You just like, nope, nature needs to be preserved, you need to shut it down, brother.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

It's like a dictatorship, it's like a dictatorship.

SPEAKER_00 36:00

I don't know. I've never voted for Greg. Have you voted for Greg? I have not. Have you voted for Greg? I don't even know where he's gonna be able to do. He's never I've never seen the guy on a list, period. So I don't know. Yeah, but how come somebody like that calling shots here?

SPEAKER_01 36:08

Wait, but who's allowing him to call these shots though? Because I mean he didn't put the book the the blocks there to to block. No, no, but so are you telling me that whole block a thing I grabbed on the seats?

SPEAKER_04 36:17

I look like no.

SPEAKER_05 36:20

Are you telling me so to the Braggana Pone Banadi Tres Trapi, Patrasia to the because of Greg? Yeah, so this guy pulled strings to make that happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fully all yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

Oh, okay. I did not know that.

SPEAKER_05 36:36

Yeah, so no, so I I it's different. Apparently, I also heard I don't know if it was you who posted it, maybe. I read sometimes the phase I'm gonna scroll. Probably me. So somebody said um put the put the uh the rocks there, not just for the UTVs, but for the rich people who live there so they don't get any noise or was that was that you? Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, because you're looking at me like I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

I don't just run my mouth on Facebook. Yeah, I DM the people running their mouth on Facebook personally. So I have more receipts. I didn't bring all of them.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

I got screenshots too.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

But but but the thing is like, you know, I see what you're doing, I see your hidden agenda, but you want to mask it like oh the UTV, because you know everybody hates UTV, so you're you're weaponizing that to get what you want. And you don't care about nobody else, and that to me is the problem. I live in Aruba, one happy democratic island where your voice matters, your voice, and my voice. But when you start saying, like, no, we got this only and this only, and wait, wait, wait. Yeah, you need to go live in Cuba or some, yeah, not here in Aruba, you know, and those are my biggest problems.

SPEAKER_01 37:55

Okay, but then now let's we have we have to break down the situation still. Again, who is then funding this guy to do these type of take these type of actions? Allegedly. Who's not allegedly the block? You just said the blocks, the beaches are closed off. Oh, yeah, true. So that means somebody is agreeing with him and giving him the the the pop. This is public places, toch? Yeah, so you can't get a permit to just be like, okay, put some blocks here on the yeah, because I said, yeah. Somebody is is backing this dude.

SPEAKER_00 38:25

Somebody's backing this dude from the government. From the well, the thing is, here's what happened. Or wait, from where? Here's what happened. So apparently there was a court case in Tama against the government of Aruba. From either ABC or ACF, I'm not sure, so don't quote me on this. Okay. But to close everything off. Because they said if the damage continues from the Jeeps and the thing, we're gonna put like a dach kelverhooding, like a sum, could not be roop up the ABC, pa itanyo kunata permitia pasa na naturale. And so that is a little bit where the the stuff is probably right now. So, and then the government, in fear of getting sued, is saying, like, hey, look, man, y'all gotta do something, y'all gotta put these rocks there, or some, because that's the only way. But then, you know, you get you know, you get the pushback. Same thing would happen when they picked all the scooters up. And those don't have perms, they're all illegal. You know what I mean? And even they were like, hey, well, listen, man, khadocha beleyite tanto tempo, you you gotta let us at least give us some time. Yeah, and here you want to just shut us up from one day in the next, and yeah, because the birds and the bees and the come on, man, that's wild.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

Yeah, it should it should have been a conversation, either which way, even if the court you lost the court case, people depend on this on a regular. So, again, I do agree that I think it should have been a conversation where it's like, hey, every all the the people that own the the those 500 plates, we gotta have a conversation with y'all. Just the the just the heads come together so we can inform you of what is going to happen, what is coming, but we also want to hear what you have to say. What are solutions that y'all have that maybe we could implement that we could work together? Like this roadmap thing that you have here.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Yeah, like yeah, so this this roadmap, this was a map that was created a long time ago.

A Dedicated Route Map For Coexistence

SPEAKER_00 40:13

And this was this one, this was intrigued.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

21, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Yeah, 2021. Yeah. This was intrigued. This was drawn up by Marlon from Dayoe. And the rocks basically that you see here leaves a path. The path is six meters wide, allow two machines to pass next to one another, and then it's gonna have boulders on the side of it so people can do donuts and lift up all the dust, and that way we would keep it clean and the dust would subside greatly. Obviously, I'm not gonna lie, these machines do kick up some dust. I'm not I'm not sitting here that there's not a problem, okay? There is, but I also know that UTVs don't bull those trees, they have never knocked down a single tree. So when I see somebody knocking down 40, 50,000 square meters of land in a place, I'm saying, like, well, those must have been some low budget birds. Yeah. Because they got no protection. Low budget birds. You don't know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And toon.

SPEAKER_05 41:05

And since sorry, so this so this road over here is basically like it's a long vein. It's yeah, but it's it's kind of like, okay, was that UTV? This is the road you have to take. Only.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

If you go somewhere else, like that's illegal, boot, boot, boot, boot, it's a driver plus a companio.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Yeah, yeah. I like this. This is again, and I feel like this is your corporate side coming out because one thing corporate teaches you is find me solutions. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about the problem. We know what the problem is, give me solutions. Sorry?

SPEAKER_00 41:33

Sorry, who did this? Marlon. Marlon from Day OA drew it for George. Yeah, this is for George? George owns George Cycles on the Bull of Argentine.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, it's iconic.

SPEAKER_00 41:43

They rent, though. They rent. They rent, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:46

George's been one of the OGs. Yeah. He's been a lot, he's been around for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

George's business started before I was born. Shout out to George. He's a thug. He's a tag. Yeah, he's a tag. I like George. I remember that name for like my like forever.

SPEAKER_04 41:59

Melchor Cycle.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

No, that's another one. That's another one. But that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

That's a long time in the game already.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

Oh, for evolution afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 42:05

Yeah. Correct. Correct. Okay, so you were saying continue.

SPEAKER_05 42:09

I like I like this plan. I like the idea that, hey, I understand that it's like a free-fry where it goes and does donuts, yada yada yada. Then here's one solution, which is I think this is a good one, is create a dedicated path that makes certain stops to showcase Aruba. Hey guys, beautiful water. You guys want to take a dip? Cool. All right, we're done. Hop back in. Let's continue the road. Something that's like and a safe drive. Yeah, and and a safe drive, correct. And then you leave everything else around you, like, okay, now the trees and and the little microorganisms, whatever else, the shoko can all live happily.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

But what keep that in mind. We have a designated path that we travel on. What do you think is gonna happen when you shut that off? And you don't inform or put signs up? What are the tourists gonna do? They're gonna make their own path and then they're gonna ruin the nests and all the animals. They're gonna try step on them. And I have plenty of videos the day that they shut it down, again, in my phone, that I can show you. The rocks are there, the jeeps are driving. Not our jeeps, but rental jeeps from tourists that weren't informed, didn't know, and then go.

SPEAKER_05 43:10

They should have rangers back there. Like maybe Park Aricon.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

I suggested that.

SPEAKER_05 43:16

Damn, I was gonna say UTVs. They should have something that they can easily drive everywhere and only they are allowed to like draw drive off the path just to make sure, like but I noticed how you muttered the word UTVs.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

UTVs like taboo.

SPEAKER_05 43:30

Why can't the bugs on the reason the reason why I did it that way is because it's like they're like they're like we have to make it less, but I'm like, no, you guys should drive some. How about that? You know, so I what else can they bicycles?

SPEAKER_02 43:44

Hey, slow down, hey, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_05 43:46

So like they may be like ATVs to just get around, but uh having like certain stop stations, like when it goes in there, and chilling article, like I don't get a hold of you, but it's just so like it's kinda like having a police in Palm Beach. Oh fuck. Hey, chill, you're police for that line. Everybody's calm.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 44:03

But if if you don't have anybody vigilando what's going on back there, brother, it's a free people do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Hey, I've done donuts plenty of times back then. That is what I wanted to add as well. Is I feel like now listening to you, we do give y'all a very bad rep, but at the same time, a lot of those people doing the donuts and stuff like that, it's always the locals. It's us. Yes, Sam. I think it's both. It's both, but I've I never said it's not them.

SPEAKER_05 44:32

I've seen tourists done a bunch of tourists with friends. Hey, Sam, come with us. I can be their guy. Like, cool, let's go. Exactly. And they've done the level. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

And we went with them. Did you tell them no, don't do that? No. We let them know. Stop lying. You didn't tell them they stopped as a local. That's the thing with us locals. We don't stop stuff that we see going on wrong. We could be there, we could be like, I don't know. But we are also the ones a lot of the times in them donuts, drifting, especially we go by the red sand in the back there. Yeah. It's us fucking locals. That is the highlight of going off-road. It's crunchy and it's that that that yellow, that dirty ass sand where you get all your clothes messy and be like, okay, we went off-roading. It's the locals. We can't act like it's not us as well doing like fucking our shit up. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

But that's that you don't have to, you don't, that's not just in in UTV business. There happens to be a very beautiful beach in the colony that I'd like to go to. It's between two houses, you walk down a cliff, and it's like a little cave there over some pipes. I don't know what it's called.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Shark does that's when I say it. Yeah, of course. I don't want nobody to know.

SPEAKER_00 45:34

Yeah, but when you go there, tell me that you've never walked into that cave and that cave looks like a mini dump.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

It's so fucking dirty.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

It pisses me off. But that does it or does it not look like a dump? It's nasty, it's gross. Okay, but tourists don't know about this beast. And if they do, they don't know it enough to leave it like that. So it's a point you're making. It's all of us that need to do better. All of us. You understand? And so in my business, I again I can only speak for my business. I can't speak, but in my business, I made the conscious choice to keep my UTVs at 700cc. I don't put 1000cc engine, I don't put 1300cc engine because that allows you to do what's it called those canams, whatever. Yeah, you have Can Ams, you got Polarises, you got big machines. I drive chemco 700cc, you go you leave your foot off the gas, it slows down because it's CVT, bell driven. So it does even if you pass out, it stops. Yeah. You understand?

SPEAKER_05 46:31

So it's at least there's there's also it seems like you have safety measures put in.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

So I have so many safety measures in place to avoid accidents because accidents do nothing but bring bad breath, bad image, and just it's it affects business in a bad way, period. Yeah, and that's what not we don't want to do anything to jeopardize the business. You know what I mean? That's what that is.

SPEAKER_04 46:49

So yeah. I don't know, man. Fuck, I had a question.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Okay, so somebody did ask a question. There was

Preventing Accidents With Enforced Rules

SPEAKER_01 46:55

like, what is your solution for the accidents that are becoming way more common? And what is your solution for a lot of the uh uh irresponsible driving?

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Yeah, very good. So to to to to talk back, the last big accident that we saw, and I don't want to pinpoint one because I know what she's asking about the big picture, but a lot of the accidents happen with rentals, and I keep saying that because they unsupervised, the drinks are in the mix and everything like that. And then the A-plates, because they're not regulated, they do what they want. Go ahead, Samir.

SPEAKER_05 47:25

Not just UTVs, also rental cars, because some tourists drive like shit, bro, especially at the town of the Palm Beach, but you're in these when they want to oh, switch a lingo by anything by at least I think once a month there's an accident there, guaranteed.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

So, but but to answer your question, uh Shark, is I would I would eliminate rentals, period. Only you go out with a guided tour, and I would limit the engine sizes. Yes, and I would make it where you have to pass inspection every year to make sure that your seat belts are working, that your steering rack in your car is up to par. When somebody is going for a tour, like the lady that recently passed away with the ATV by by um tres puentes, I bet you she was excited in the morning. Yeah. Oh, we're gonna have a blast and we're gonna do it this and we're doing that.

SPEAKER_05 48:09

And that always freaks me out. Like, you think about that, like even when we're never having a podcast, yeah, bro. Oh my god, what a great podcast. About to go home, get hit by a car. Like, what's up?

SPEAKER_00 48:17

You just never know. Yeah, nobody goes into this with a bad mindset. You understand? We try to just have fun. So, what do we do in our in the morning? What we do is we have a we have a sign in. When you reach our office, you sign in, you sign a waiver, and then we do a safety briefing. And the safety briefing starts like this guys, good morning. Thank you for booking arubarebatours.com. Let me first off tell you you booked a sightseeing tour, not a racing tour. That's how it starts. Informate informing. We tell you, so if we see you acting the fool, we stop the parade. Guys, you're not just playing with your own lives, there's other people here also, and you have precious cargo on board. Somebody's wife or husband sitting next to them. Take care of these people. All right? The next time I take the key from you and you can find your way back to your hotel. That's how I speak to these people. Sir, that's how you speak. Because I keep it straight, because I cannot let you have 20 minutes of good time and ruin me and my employees' reputation and hard work that we put in all these years.

SPEAKER_01 49:17

For the rest of your life, because you have to live with that on your on your conscience.

SPEAKER_00 49:20

Of course. No, no, no, you know, and so that is something that I think is very, very relevant to the conversation, if you want to put it that way, to keep safety as a top priority. So, no going out with UTVs unless it's on tour, smaller engine sizes, yes, and then informing them before you get on the tour about what is to happen and how to happen, and then enforcing it. There's a lot of guys that I know from other companies that you go, like, hey yo, bro, I gave you 20 bucks. Let me do a few donuts real quick, no? The guy's thinking, oh, 20 bucks. Yeah, go ahead, brother. And then they let them do the donuts.

SPEAKER_03 49:57

But who's controlling?

SPEAKER_00 49:58

Nobody that but you know, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 50:00

Like, but if he says it, sure, go for it because he knows like who's here to watch me. That's why I said earlier, like, maybe the ICF or IFC. Maybe them, they they create, hey, maybe the government helps him fund more money, and hey, we're gonna create park rangers that work on shifts and then like have them just just Vikila. Hey, keep out no boot to tuma.

SPEAKER_00 50:26

Are you are you familiar that like, by the way, shout out to all the park rangers? No, they're all they really do a great job in keeping the park great, good, and secure. But you do know where the uh some of the park rangers come from, right?

SPEAKER_05 50:37

No.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

Where they where where where they come from? They're from Reclassery, no?

SPEAKER_05 50:41

What's that?

SPEAKER_00 50:42

So you go to jail, it's like work release. So you get out of jail and you and that's a punishment that you have to go serve.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 50:49

I wasn't aware of that. I wasn't aware. I did not know that. So we only we only oh we don't speak the whole story, then you'd be coming out here. No, no, I didn't know.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

I did not know all it is. So that's like a re a prison reform type of thing?

SPEAKER_00 51:00

I have I had I had a guy, I had a guy that used to wash my cars, and um he uh he had uh a run in with Johnny Law and he got sent away, and when he got released, he had to go do that.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Oh shit. Okay, so that's probably the community service that you get sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 51:16

Okay, is that a main thing though? Oh no, hey, no, we'll not against you. I'm like, well, but before I started, I said shout out to all the agents because they're doing great work, they're doing great work.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

I did not know that. I'm I like that there's a program for we've always I've always said like I feel like there needs to be a program for stuff like this. So I love that that exists. I did not know that two years old.

SPEAKER_05 51:35

Because I asked it because you said, like, oh, that's like punishment, like punishment. What do you mean? I'm just chilling back here with some water.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

No, but that's your your castigo. Yeah, pretty chill of me. It's community service, so you have to do that. And I know I don't know if they get paid for it. I don't I because it's community service.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

To me, yeah, to me, I I wouldn't know that either, but yeah, because but yeah, I I think back there, this Hadler Ross the route, right?

SPEAKER_05 51:56

I mean make their routes, or at least make like not just one, maybe maybe two or three, so you have different options depending on where you want to go. Here's a four-hour route, here's an eight-hour route. So you know, because not all not all tours are the same.

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 52:08

So maybe make different routes. Hey, what do you guys? Oh, you want to go see the the the caves? Cool. Hey, we're gonna go see beaches and the caves. Okay, we're gonna start here, go this way. So maybe make maybe make a few routes and you can kind of like build attractions around it, like because you know where the roads are gonna be, you can put like halfway through there's gonna be a restaurant there. No, no, no, no, no, listen. No, remember when remember when Tyson was here, he said like they're gonna bring back that restaurant?

SPEAKER_01 52:33

Because it already exists one.

SPEAKER_05 52:35

I know that this that's the one I'm talking about, or the one's one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That or the uh the gold mine, yeah, the truck, like make sure those those are there so you stop there as a as a refreshments. Maybe you wanna do, hey, we're we're doing a launch stop in Arikok, because I think you have to go through the park. Oh, wait, they don't allow UTVs anymore, only Jeeps.

SPEAKER_00 52:55

Oh, and that's fine too, because listen, honestly. There's ideas I'm throwing out. Yeah, no. And and to kind of come back to what you were saying, what would you think, aside from the things that I mentioned, to make the operation or the business safer, what kind of suggestions would you have aside from the ones that I already mentioned?

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Listen, again, I don't do these things. It's up to me. Don't even do the tour. Right. That's just me. That's right. I'm like, I don't like it. But I do agree with what you're saying. I like what you're saying. I like the fact that you have, I mean, if there's one designated road to just get you to, you know, the castle of the Wizard of Oz, you can't fuck up. You know, it's not, there's no, oh, I got lost. No, it's a it's one path where you can get lost, and you're gonna get to see Aruba. I can explain to you. We're on a very chilled ride. I think the regulations that you said, like maybe those should be implemented. I think that that 16-page or how many ever pages that is, should be something that government, I think y'all need to reach out to Jimmy and go through this because please, please, we can save a lot of lives. We can it's needed. I mean, you mentioned so many different aspects that I that it's like it's hard to you don't think about it, but like I always say, I always say to the people, stop me when I lie, stop me when I'm not making sense, stop me if I'm BSing.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

And if you if the things that I'm saying to you sound like BS, tell me, hey Jimmy, that's crack. Then that's debate.

SPEAKER_05 54:21

You know, that's how it debate.

SPEAKER_00 54:22

You know what I mean? But so far, I mean, I'm I'm kind of gathering from both you guys that hey, I did not know this. Yeah, are you serious? Let's just man.

SPEAKER_05 54:30

You come also with a with a from in my opinion, a logical solution of like we can both coexist. The ones who are complaining like we should ban it, and you're like, uh no, we should just make certain paths so everybody's happy. Yeah, the birds and everything else is safe on the side, and we have our roads, and everybody sticks to this road. Nobody goes off-roading.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

But then how do we make sure then for like permit-wise, we don't end up with the same situation like with the taxis, apparently, because like they have like this thing where they like kind of like own the permits, and then it's like I think chance.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Well, the problem, the problem, the problem with taxis, if I may, and I'm not well versed in taxis either. I'm more well versed in UTVs and off-roading and Jeeps and stuff, but but with the taxis, they they they give a service that that other that's a ride, it's a ride-sharing service, right? And so when more people get to the island, you're gonna need more ride-sharing services because the ones that are there are not gonna be able to cope with the volume, so you need to up those permits. Now, for some weird reason, all the upping always happens right around election time, but you know, that's just the way that it is and the way that it's been. UTVs, however, they're not an they're not a need. We don't need UTVs on the island. We want, I let me rephrase that. As a business owner, I want. Yes, and the tourists that come down want a UTV, but taxis, you need. Yeah, I mean, that's just you can't go around that one.

SPEAKER_01 55:51

But I feel like it also falls back into like the whole thing with like the the Airbnb situation. It's like, who who is to say that as a local, I want to own a UTV business and I can't? Or because it's capped at the 500%. Because it's capped at the 500. So now it's like, okay, so even if those companies fuck up, who's to say that they're not just gonna replace and that same company is just gonna keep the same ones that they already have?

SPEAKER_00 56:15

You're you're on the radio, right, Shark? I am. Have you ever tried to get a radio for a permit for a radio station? No, you can't get it. No, but that's besides the point. It's the same reason. It's the same reason. They put a stop on it, it's a moratorium. You I can't open up a casino. That would be the thing that I want to open. You know what I mean? But that's just what it is. You can't. And you have, and I am okay with a certain amount of rules. You say 500 UTVs we're gonna allow in Aruba. Fuck it. I you're right. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_01 56:44

Yeah, sorry, never mind. Yeah, sorry, buskung othram oscillatography something creative to do. Yeah, leave it. I agree. You're right. Sorry, I take it back.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

Ride some bikes in the park. Actually, make a bike lane too.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

There is, I mean, the bike people be complaining all the time that they don't have a path because somebody keeps like rip ripping off their pathway. And look how the bikes got a path. Why can't y'all get a path?

SPEAKER_00 57:07

And you know what it is? The the bikes nothing contribution. The fundasong nothing contribution. But we do. And we pay heavily. And I'm uh I'm considered a small company amongst the big fish in the ocean here. And I can tell you my tax bill is nice each month, okay? Real nice because I gotta pay SVB, Azvey, Ray Triv, uh, the SV, that one, that one. You name it. Yeah. But then when decisions are being made, those same dollars are used to vote against me. Against you. No, that's sorry.

SPEAKER_01 57:43

Thank you for your contribution, but you have to go.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

Yeah. But but let's not forget, let's not forget, guys, that off-roading made Aruba popular on social media before. So we are we we the off-roading and the Jeeps and the UTVs were cool to get the name up, yeah, and to get the notoriety up and to get everybody coming down. But now that we have achieved that, fuck that. Okay, yeah, you we don't need you no more. You you served your purpose. Bye now. Yeah, you're like yesterday's newspaper, nobody wants to read you no more. No, sir. We are here and we are here to stay. Hate to say it.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

No, you shouldn't hate to say it. It it is what it is, and again, structure.

SPEAKER_00 58:20

Yeah, man. It just needs structure. You have to know what you're talking about. It's real easy to create a narrative online, especially when you block me. Oh, true. I keep you. I got you. Don't you play with me?

SPEAKER_01 58:38

Take the block off.

SPEAKER_00 58:40

You know who you are. You know who you are.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

Jimmy said what he said, and he meant to be. Okay, so Jimmy, before we continue on, I need you to look in the back, okay? Which one of these cans pops to you the most? I want you to just grab the can. Of course! Did he not start it? Was he not part of the team?

SPEAKER_00 59:00

Shout out to Eddie. Shout out to my boy Eddie. Shout out to Eddie.

SPEAKER_01 59:03

We're trying to get him on the podcast. He does not just tell him to come. Just look in the cameras up.

SPEAKER_00 59:07

Eddie, just like you thought everybody telling you to give me the job 10 years ago at Balachi was crazy, get on this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 59:16

I got Eddie, do it, Eddie.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Thank you very much. Okay, what number is under here? Number one. You got number one. Okay, so what is your ideal Aruba Sunday, and which beer is in your hands?

SPEAKER_00 59:31

Eddie, sorry, it's no filter. It is it is gonna be an Amstel, right? Yeah, yeah. It is. Yeah, it is. I'm sorry. It is. It is. It sounds like beer. Ugh.

SPEAKER_05 59:39

That's a note for me.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

No, but you ask what kind of beer was in my hand. I'm not mad. I'm not mad.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

What does your Sunday look like?

SPEAKER_00 59:45

My Sunday looks like me visiting my mom with my kids. That's the only day that like I have all my kids together, and my mom, you know, and so my mom's 72 years old. God bless her little soul. She's bad as fuck. God bless her. Yeah, I don't know. My mom, man, she's been smoking Campbell non-filter since she was 14. She's gangster. That's my type of guy. But that's what I like to do on Sunday. Yeah. That's what I like to do on a Sunday. Take my kids there, go by my mom. We're grilling, we in the pool, we're relaxing a little bit. And then in the afternoon, I like to prep myself for the week because I I plan a lot of things during my week. So who I gotta see, where I gotta be, who I gotta meet, what are some of the action plans that I got set up? What are some of the goals I want to achieve this week? And I just like to plan my week too in the later in the early stages of the afternoon. And then I do try to wash my car also to make sure I go into the week clean with a clean car, you know? Yeah, that's about it though.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:33

Okay, so then let me just rephrase this question, Vavab. Okay, so if you had to choose between Balashi, chill, and magic mango, which would which would it be? Chill. Chill.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:43

No, chill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

You really actually drink it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

I would drink it. Okay. If you said like between those three, I would put the chill.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:49

That's the one for you. All right, say less. Say less.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

I wanted to know what's the what's the percentage in terms of I'm backtracking a little bit. Oh, go ahead. Between um tours, how many tours go out versus how many solo drivers, like, hey, I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Okay, well, at at my company, Aruba Riva, it's 100% tours because I don't rent.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:08

I don't rent because I don't believe in it. I stand by I stand behind what I say.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

People can come up to me and say, I want I want $500. Here's a machine to give me no, sorry, take it somewhere else. No, that's just what it is for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:19

But but like if I'm thinking to myself, okay, what's oh like 20% goes out sold? Oh, that's not so bad. Then make make the law, like you can only go out.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:30

I would say rental might be about 40%. If if you ask me. You know, but that also includes clandestine rentals, no? Well, that's also like the ones like So the A rentals and all the that illegal bullshit that's be going on and everything like that. That that how would you how would you stop that? Oh my god, thanks for asking. Yeah, how would I don't need a paper for this one, okay? This is easy. This is real easy. I need people from Day Te Pay and Cuerpo Policial to go to CIAT or DIMP, whatever you call it, Ballasting Cantor. Everybody needs to register to get a plate. So once you go into you sit behind the computer, you say, okay, pull up all the CF motos, all the chimcos, all the Honda Thousands, all the Can Amps, all the Polarises with an A plate. And if you have more than one or two or three register to one address, go pay them a visit. Yes or no?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:20

You're requiring these people to work.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

Well, they are working to break me and stop me. Why don't you work and try to keep me afloat so I can keep paying you the tax money? They don't have to do that. Because when I'm not existing, the the the foundations ain't gonna be paying the taxes that we're not gonna be paying. True. You understand? So I think you better try to nurture me back to health instead of finishing me fully. Did I what I said? Go to the Balasting Cantor, get the list, see who they are, pay them a visit. Is that not something that somebody can do? That is something that somebody can do. You have the system, you have the manpower. Granted, it's limited. I know it's limited, but you all the things to work that plan are there.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

But the solution is block the beaches, block the roads, and the solution is no dialogue and block everything, including me on Facebook when I say something about it.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:16

That's well, why can't you? Let's say you work with you find out who the other ones were actually doing it right, they were illegally. You and me, Sere Cabezo Diki. We each take we each put thinking uh whatever amount of money in hire someone, hey, can you get go get all this information for me? Bicycle police. It's done now.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:35

Just by Bichita, we have it already. Oh, then we have that already. We have it. We let we know the addresses, the lists, how many cars they got, what they do, how they do. I have photos, videos of them going to the hotels. It's brazen. It's out in the open. It's nobody is ashamed to do it anymore. Because there no, there's no control, nobody cares consequences.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:57

That's that question. Why aren't anybody, corporate policial of whoever's in charge of the law, why aren't they doing anything for it? Is it because it's not popular? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:07

I think what happens is UTVs are only a problem and a popular topic on Facebook. In the real world where real life happens, nobody gives a shit. That's what it is. And so we all want to see booya, hassi drugs. Ah, UTV sucks, dust, bleed blah, blue, blah, ha ha ha. But when we're talking about it, we forget to mention UTVs because it's so irrelevant. That's what it is. That's the problem. And again, according to me, that's I don't know if everybody feels the same way, but you you there is no way, no way that can I should just show one more fact. Go crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

But while while you're saying this, this bag is sitting down here. While you're saying this, I do I do want to also put something out there that you should also pay attention to. And I feel like you're fighting for you're fighting for everybody, but I feel like who they are fighting, well, yeah, in some sort, it sounds like they are fighting the ones that are doing it the wrong way.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:10

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

And I feel like they are giving you all the bad rep because even for the people that don't give a fuck like us, we're now still hearing about it. Some way, somehow, it's still coming to us, and it's the wrong information or misleaded information. It's not wrong, because it's people are doing donuts, they're doing wrong stuff with with the the the UTVs and ATVs, but who's having this conversation? Why are we not having it on a larger scale?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

And why am I not invited to those guys? Yeah, so you know, to me, to me, that that question goes goes deep. All right. And what happens is it's it's it's it's who funds who, who's behind what. You know, it's it's it's bigger than that. And there is a whole big thing happening, and you know what misleading or misdirecting. Direction is right. I take a flashlight and I shine it on you to keep the light off of me. What do you think they're doing with all this type of stuff? Oh, look at the UTVs, but all the other stuff happening over there, nobody is talking about it because the light is shining over here.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:17

Yeah, yeah. Keep looking over here.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

Misdirection. You know, and then you want to be manipulative about it on top of it. So you want to blame me for my reaction to your disrespect. Yeah. Oh, look at that. The guy's a bully. Poke the bear, poke the bear, and now I'm a bully. Yeah. I didn't wake up in the morning and say, like, oh, let me see on Facebook who I can screw over together. No, that's other people's job. That's not my job. My job is to wake up, make sure, hey, how's my team doing this morning? They all on the up and up. Everybody's sharp. Everybody ready to rock and roll. Okay, let's go get these guests. Okay, let's give them a great experience. Smiles, everybody. Smiles on their faces, your faces. Aruba, one happy island. Aruba ain't been a happy island for a long time for us locals. It's that. But when these tourists come to me and in Aruba Riba, everybody that works there, happy. We are one happy Aruba Riba. That I promise you. Okay, so you wanted to bring this up.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

One of the things that I wanted to bring in because normally he doesn't read sick. The fact that he's taking your shot and like reading it, I'm like, oh, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

So this is this is a uh I have the entire article here, actually, also. But this is an article that was written in 2014.

Boas Bird Data And Narrative Spin

SPEAKER_00 1:07:27

2014, okay? This mind you 12 years ago. So the problem, and like most problems in this world, they've only gone up. The numbers have only gone up. And this is an article that was written by um Dr. Peterson and Dr. Marquez. That used to he used to be the director in the in the Adicok National Park way back when. And this piece of article states, and mind you, they're saying UTV is public environmental danger number one, right? That's what they're claiming, right? All right. For the shokos. For for everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:59

Wildlife, it's not a few years.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:00

Wildlife, nature, shorts, and everything, yeah? So so the article that they wrote, not Jimmy, Jimmy didn't write this, they wrote Boas, the snake, yeah, kill 17,000 birds a year. That was in 2014, 12 years ago. So I can only imagine that's more now. Do you know how many birds that is in a day? No. It's about 46 birds a day, my man. So let me ask you some. You think you have UTVs and Jeeps kill 46 birds a day?

unknown 1:08:30

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:31

Tell me, Shark, tell me. Do the number, do the math. Samil? Nope. Do we hit 46 birds a day? No, we don't. We are not environmental public enemy number one by a long shot. What do you think? This shoko is on the road. He sees my convoy of UTVs coming. He's just gonna stay there. Okay, today's a good day to die. Let me sit here and wait. Man, this bird is gonna see you come. He said, man. Stop. Lemaique.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:56

So so since this article came out in what? 2001? 12 years ago. So you said they killed 17,000 birds. So between this article and today, that's 204,000 birds. Well, that's if they're repopulating every single should be actually less. But do you understand? Like I understand. So I think in 10 years UTVs kills like 200,000 birds? Yeah, no. I don't think I've even seen 100,000 birds. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:19

But where what are we really talking about? What kind of narrative are you creating? Why are you why are you why are you wanting to see our demise so badly? Why? If and you're spinning the truth, you're not keeping it real. We do not kill 17,000 birds in 10 years, let alone one year. What are what is your problem? That's is it because you didn't get a sponsor? Is it because you didn't get some money?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:46

You clock in some serious tea.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:50

Yeah, no, that's true. That perspective, I never thought about it. Me, Eva. Because you you you were right, like people always uh Dayano Turalesa, la la la la. It's always the same story. But and then recently we thought we spoke to uh to Tyson. Yeah. Um from Arabic.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:08

Sorry, I keep messing up. Arab bird life and Arabic conservation, they're two different, no? They're two different things. They're different ones. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

So we spoke with Tyson, and he did mention that boas are a big problem, yada yada yada, but I never put it in this perspective that they wrote themselves like 17,000 birds are killed by boas in 2014. Compared to, okay, how many do I mean you we don't actually know. I mean Tyson said that maybe sometimes people step on certain eggs that look like rocks. But like, I don't think there's 17,000 eggs on the floor, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:40

Like, yeah, and but he wasn't saying that the that UTVs step on on the eggs. He's saying simply, like, even hikers can simply I guess that they look like the rocks. Yeah. So that's what they oh, they showed us the one by the stone stacking eggs. There they have some type of bird that lays eggs like just randomly on the rocks. And the eretanang.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:59

Pero that's what they were talking about from that one, but what eliminate or solve that problem with the whole egg situation? Or is it exactly literally build a path, you know, like okay, the the chances of an egg being there, like bird, you stupid? Like you just everywhere. You want to lay it right there, like in the middle.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:19

I mean, it's it's nature, it is direct at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:22

But uh, my my point is like it will it will drastically um make it less um, I'm severe, or yeah, I get it. The chance of a bird being squashed it's way less than if it's like free for all, everybody drive wherever you want to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:39

Yeah, make your own path, figure it out. One one thing I do want to add though, and this is probably like because I feel like we're talking a lot about the land part of it. Okay, but I feel like another part of and this is mainly for like the tour guides, I would say, is feeding the fish bread. Can we stop that? Like, can we can we stop that? Oh my god, they do that all the fucking time. They feed fucking fish bread. We're not even supposed to eat bread. You think the fish is supposed to eat bread? Yeah, like what's the logic in this? Or do they when they give chips to the the the seagulls? Who? We're not chips is not even good for us.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:20

I can never do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

I know I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:22

It's crazy. Yeah, no, you you know, it's like an added two thing. Like, come on, what about six seven?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

Spirit fingers don't ever do that. What in the bring it all back? Spirit fing is hilarious, too, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

He's iconic, he knows fucking hilarious. But shit like that, I feel like do you think or do you agree that tour guides need to get like a whole scale of uh a full masterclass before you can go out on this on the road to like no shit? Because I feel like even working in a hotel for me, there was a lot of information I would like to guess about because you simply just don't know. So like they asked me certain things about uh just Ocho Digmat. I was like, girl, uh Bitico fell, and then he got back up, he picked the flag up, and he just kept on going. We don't know the whole damn story like that, to be like breaking shit down. And I feel like the same thing happens to tours. It's like once once money is involved, I'ma tell you what the fuck I need to tell you because the money in yours in your pocket, it's mine.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:25

So I'ma I'ma just give you, you know, like oh no, you're there is there is a certain element of entertainment value that we that we incorporate into our speeches. So I I I used to run the tours myself when I started the business for the first two and a half, three years. I did everything myself. Washed the cars, gassed them up, cleaned them up, picked up the gas, did the tour. I worked 18 hours a day, seven days a week for two and a half years straight. And just to have somebody like this guy who gets money from the government tell me, Jimmy, sorry, you don't have a right to exist, I'ma fight you to the death, homie. To the teeth, because that's a problem for me. Because you don't know what I've been through. I went through hell and back to get my company up off the ground. I need a little bit more, you know, I need I need you to just calm down a little bit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

Having a company in Aruba is hard in general.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

Like just put company Aruba, punt, it's hard. You know how they say, you know, you know the Frank Sinatra song that goes, if you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere. Yeah. It should be if you can make it in Aruba, you can make it anywhere. Nah, that's right. That's the name, that's the way you name it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:24

The New Yorkers come here and complain about Aruba.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:27

One thing, one thing that we we speak about a lot, and the one thing that you spoke about a lot, and the one thing that I see, and everybody that came on here, they speak about over-tourism. But has anybody ever spoken about over-regulation? You don't feel like think mucho metimento, thing turcos going on. Everything needs an opinion. Everything needs a red tape, everything needs bureaucracy or an or an in or an opinion of somebody that don't have nothing to do with it, that don't know what they're talking about. Yep. Guys, what are we doing? Yep. Back up a little bit. Relax. A jack of all trades is a master of none. So when you try to jack all the trades, you'll be a master of none. Yep. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:05

I was gonna say, like, the whole quote ends with a jack of all trades, a master of what again? None. But it's still better than a master of one.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:14

Yes, true.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:15

That's the whole quote. That's how base. Anyways, it's funny because I just learned that. Oh shit, I never knew that.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:19

Not you, but I mean you could be great at a lot of things, but if you can't execute nothing, then tanto bal.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

But my my my one of my things is also is that I feel like in Aruba we have our priorities a little mixed up.

Social Media Outrage And Island Priorities

SPEAKER_01 1:15:30

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Let him elaborate. Let him.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:36

What I'm saying is so so we have we have, you know, we had a we had a we had a uh we had a uh dolphin parked up on the beach here not too long ago, right? Parked. Charlie. Charlie. Rest in peace, Charlie. Every time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here we go, here we go, here we go. Now, now now we're on Facebook. Now we're everybody's on Facebook and we need sardines for this animal. And everybody and their mom is, oh my god, it's famous is sardine. And everybody's on Facebook losing their shit. Uh-huh. Writing. Do you know that in Aruba there's over a thousand kids in the morning that don't go to school with no food? Why you ain't writing about them kids? Why you ain't writing about them kids? Huh? Tell me. Why is the dolphin more important than these kids?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

Oh, you need a permanent chair. You just have to come here every week. We record on Mondays. Every Monday we record. Guys, welcome to the new member of the Fantastic. This is what the fuck are we saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:35

Priorities. It's about priorities. That same week.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:37

Selective outrage. That's what this is about. It's like, what's the hype? Oh, that's what we complain about? Okay, bump here.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

What's the hype? UTV? Yeah. We bashing UTVs. We need shag new for the dolphin. Are you s are you kidding me right now?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:50

Yeah. Whenever there's no hype. Okay, so we go back to the UTVs now. Okay, let's go back over the U.S.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:54

Yeah, like what's what's the old story we could poke people? Yeah, like we board. Yeah, we're bored. Like, let's uh where's the guy? Where's Jimmy?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:02

Yeah, let's regurgitate that bullshit. Come on, stop it, man. Stop it. This is craziness. And so that's that's what I'm saying. Let's all stop with the hypocrisy. Let's stop with the BS. I know you you boys are a little younger than me, obviously, way younger, probably, but but I don't know how old you are, but thank you. I'm 44. I'm 44. You look good, Jimmy. You look good. You look good.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:26

Yeah, no, you look good. Don't play with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Do you remember? Do you remember? Or I I I remember when I was when I was growing up, I would get my news from a fucking newspaper. I thought you said nudes. No, newspaper.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:40

Not Playboy magazine. But what would start with news?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

But what would happen? I would read my news, I would close the paper, put it down, and go on about my day. Now everybody getting their news and everything from social, and everybody needs to leave an opinion. Everybody's an expert, everybody's a lawyer, everybody's a judge, everybody's a conservationalist, everybody is a politician. What? Make up your mind already, bro. Yeah. You're talking about all the topics, central up, bung. You're talking about every the jackals, the jacks of all trades. That's them. That's them. You're more like a jack off of all trades. That is what they are. But you know, that's what I mean. And I I just I just I just like way back when when we kept our opinions to ourselves. If I was a politician in Aruba, I would ban social media, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:26

Yo, that's our job.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:28

Or at least the comment section in it. At least the comment section in the section. That's our job. Calm down, Jimmy. You can't even sit here.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:35

Calm the fuck down, Jimmy. Now you're trying to be great. You trying to cancel our game. Hey, Greg. Like, what?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:50

Damn, you you and Greg can be friends then.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

He's gonna bulldoze down the antenna. I'll be like, I don't know about guess what?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:56

Yeah. No, but what I but what where I'm getting at is because like I just feel like it's it's gone too far. It's too far. Everybody has an opinion on everything. And it's okay to have an opinion, but it's not okay when you try to shove it down people's throats.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:08

If you're gonna have an opinion, at least have it with a solution.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:12

No, but back it up with facts. You know, like here's my opinion, but okay, hold up.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:17

We don't even back up with facts. I always say shut the fuck up on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I would shut the fuck up on that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:26

But the difference is whenever we say our opinion, we always sometimes always also say, if we are wrong, let us know. Yeah, yeah. Like educate us. Hey, Jamie, great opinion. What the fuck? I feel like we're wrong. We just look great.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:38

Yeah, we highlight, we highlight what is going on or what is the talks right now, and then we give our opinion on based on that. Yeah, and if we're wrong, let us know. Yeah, because we read that shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:49

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:49

Totally. 100%. Yeah. I get what you're saying with the opinion things. Like it's and I I my thing is always if you're gonna have an opinion, come with a solution. Again, it's the corporate life.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:59

Okay, but let me ask you something. I was brought up in a way that if they don't ask you for your opinion, shut the fuck up. Yeah, but here nobody asked you for an opinion. I'm gonna give you a perfect example. I like I said, I own a UTV company. I post a video, a nice video that I made with drone shots and everything like that. Everybody in my comment section blowing me up. Oh, you piece of shit. You are this and that, and you rook in nature, and you're money hungry, greedy pig, and uh. Yeah, sorry. But I didn't ask you for your fucking opinion. I'm showing a video for the people that might want to consider joining my tour. If you don't, go on about your day. If you do, great. But don't give me that that, like, hey, don't do this tour. This is bullshit, this is dangerous to the nature. And I didn't ask you for that.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:46

Yeah, you shouldn't.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:47

Leave me alone.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:47

I'm pretty sure those same people, if they were in your position with 25 UTVs, I hold there. It's gonna be a good day today. If you guys are not them, you're gonna shit on you.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

Okay, so let me just say one thing, because I'll I'll be very fake if I have to sit here and don't tell you this to your face. I my beef is though with some of these uh companies, and this is just tour companies in general. I hate when y'all go to like, and not you, but you're representing for everybody right now. I hate like when y'all go to like private areas or like private beaches that are like I don't want to say it's for the locals because nothing is for the locals, pero these motherfuckers got like the tourists get everything. Like, if anything, I feel like we we give them the red carpet and then we just get like the restovers. Like, I don't care, yeah. Local lock, high say. So you get like some beaches that is like, okay, tourists really don't know about this shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:37

Oh, but sure that's it. Oh, sorry, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:39

And then here you go now, there's a fucking tour company promoting the whole beach on like socials and be like, oh yeah, well, we're not your average store. We don't go to where all the other tours are going, we go to other places that like nobody goes to. It's like Jesus Christ, can we have something?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:55

Yeah, but like have you ever been in a club or a bar and then the party bus pulls up and it's like and the party bus comes in and they wreck the place for 20-30 minutes and they leave again? It's very similar to that. They are there and it isn't clean, it's a moment up now. So when we are there, it's just that instance that they are there, and once they leave again, because they gotta carry on. We all do. And most tour companies, we all have the same schedule. We run it from 9 to 1, 2 to 6, two tours a day. That's everybody, because that's the only way you can squeeze it in and out. Now, some might run it from 8 to noon, some might run it from there to there. But that would mean that at every second, two times a day, you're at a swim stop. But you're not two times a day, four hours a day at the swim stop. You're there for 20, 30 minutes because you gotta go back. Now, is it really so bad if we come there for 20, 30 minutes and then we go on about our day? I I choose to believe that it's not. But it depends where. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:50

I mean, if Bokeh Bayon baby beach, how's it supposed to cause? None of us locals go to that nasty ass beach anyway. So y'all can have baby beach. No, okay. Go.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:58

But that's fine. But then we had we had, I don't know if you are familiar by Bushiribana, the cave pool. Were you familiar with that? The cave pool? What's Bushiribana? Oh, in the back. I don't do nothing. So where the gold mill ruins are. I don't do nothing back there. Yeah, there used to be some stairs going down, and then you could jump, you could jump off of the rock into it, right? They took the the stairs out. They took the stairs out without dialogue, without anything, without saying it, just like a thief in the night, just boom, take it out. Where do you want us to go, brother? Tell me. Where do you want me to go? If you go ahead, tell me. Because I'm waiting too. Yeah. You keep you keep making the news tighter and tighter and tighter, and then you're wondering why I can't breathe. Yeah. That's that's rough. You can't do that neither. You have to leave me something.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:36

That spot right there, did it bring any danger or anything to Well, it's a fear of collapse, no?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:41

So, I mean, obviously that would be very, very bad if it collapsed with everybody in it. So I'm not saying whether it is or is not a justified decision. Again, the dialogue should be had. You know, where are we gonna go? Because now we're catching some shit saying, like, hey, what are you doing at our local beaches? I understand it's frustrating for you too, yes. But we have to go somewhere. Yeah, so now that we have a hundred thousand cars in traffic, you want to shut everything down. You want to put 500 more UTV in traffic?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:08

Yeah, yeah. Is that what you want? Yeah, I don't think so. Nay, pero yeah, it's wait what what you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's true. You know, that's fucked up. Okay, so then, okay, so then what would the solution be? We have

Who Gets A Seat At Table

SPEAKER_01 1:24:21

to have a conversation then with who? Who are okay? Put it put it this way: this is a table. Who is sitting at this? Who are we having a conversation with? Who needs to be at this table in order for us to have a good dialogue and come up with a solution within like the next few hours?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:41

Well, I would I would I would definitely say I would bring my lawyer because you know there are laws that protect business owners as well. Just like there's laws that protect nature, there is laws that protect business owners also. So there would need to be lawyers present. You would want your your your your pol your politicians at the table.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:00

That's what I'm saying. I want you to be specific. Who's at this table?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:03

Like I if I could have name names. Okay, I'll rephrase the question to another way. If I could set up a meeting and have everybody at the table, who would I invite around my table? I would get Mike, Wendrik, Dowers, and Herdai, because Herdai is infrastructure, Dowers is Justice, and the cars and the permits go under him. Wendrik is from Turismo and the Naturalista Mike. For those reasons, I would want them for around my table. Then I would invite the Grecs and the Nigel's, I would, and the ACF and the Dirección Nature Milieu, I would. And the Directive from Park, I would. Because I do want dialogue, because I also want you to understand. And then I would bring in some other shareholders from my sector, obviously, also, that are more well-versed than I am. Of course. All right, because granted, I've only been doing it, like I said, for four and a half, five years. I'm not the most experienced, well-versed guy in the field. There's a lot of things that I also don't know. So I would bring some of them aboard, and then I guess we could have to figure it out. I would bring in the people from ATA. I would bring in Tisa from AHATA, which I think she has very eloquent. She spoke very eloquently on the sorry. Now you guys spoke very eloquently on your show. And I think one of the things that I was lacking from a lot of other people was they just presented the problem with no solution. No solution. And Tisa was somebody that said, like, hey, we have this, but we also have to consider that. And she she very violent conversation. And I I like that.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:24

And I think when when you have that, that should be one of the characteristics of somebody that is gonna sit at that table. You need to have an open mouth, but also an open mind. Don't listen to respond. Listen to understand. Yep. That's what I want from you. Listen to understand. Don't listen to respond. Because right now, every time it's somebody saying something, it's like meh, bata bata da. Bascuchami, bascuchami, did you say? But processal look at my bisabo, did you s did you hear what we talked about today or no, Papi? Because you sound like you you you're losing, you know, you're losing your marbles or something. You were just waiting for me to stop talking so you could answer. So you could start ranting now. And rant, like you said, and rant and sakabocal. Yeah, well, sorry, bro. I'm not going on that level with nobody this year. Nobody, nobody disturbing my peace. Amen. Nobody. I'm giving peace. Man, I gave peace a chance January 1st, 2026, and I'm sticking with it, baby. Is this me or what?

SPEAKER_05 1:27:19

Hey, I was just thinking, I was like, I think this guy who saw some episodes, studied Shark, and then like, I'm gonna use all the keywords. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:25

You are so identical. Like, this is legit how it's taken.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:27

You're the straightway version of Shark.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:29

Yeah, this is the straight version of me. Like, I'm like the Q, I'm the Q.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:35

You wanna take my spot? No. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:38

No, the two of us can't just read this one like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:40

No, fuck no, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:41

We gonna be this show gonna be cancelled in like two episodes. You're gonna text you like a filter, and a filter.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:52

Hey, Jimmy, what the fuck, you broke? You gonna use a course again?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:55

Cancel noise, bitch.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:56

I'm a cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:57

No. Like, honestly, honestly.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:00

An hour and a half. Oh shit. Oh my god. I apologize. I apologize.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:03

Okay, no, I apologize. Don't apologize. This is good conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:07

It's not you don't. I didn't because I just look like yeah, it doesn't feel like a double look. There's no way it's an hour and a half. It feels like these conversations, these conversations are fun because wasn't anybody write Misa? You go to church, like, bro, it's only five minutes, but it feels like 30. You know? Yeah, of course. Here's like a percent. It feels like 30, but it's an hour and a half. So it's a positive thing because like we're so invested in the conversation and going back and forth non-stop that there was no break for us to be like, yeah, and it's so broad.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:37

Yeah, because there's so many things I feel like we still haven't touched based on, and you're saying stuff, and I'm like, oh, that too.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

And then I just and I know we have a one and a half hour going, so I'm not trying to react to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I if you don't mind, just real. Yeah, no, because you had something you want to do. That's

Nature Rules And Recognition Contradictions

SPEAKER_00 1:28:51

something that I did want to share with you guys because to me, this is something that's very important. Talk about it. I think everybody in Aruba saying that, you know, nature needs protection. Nature is this, nature is unprotected, nature is it. For the people saying that, do they even know what Aruba has in place to protect and preserve nature already, or no? I don't think so. Would you let me if I asked you the question or you, Sami.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:14

I can't even answer you then. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:16

Well, I mean, we had um um the conservation people on uh last episode. So they told us about like a few areas that is like parikhabit, nankuta, okay, Protocol.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:29

I did make a short list before I came. Come through. Come through. But one of the things that I that I say is because everybody's like, oh, Aruba's missing, but nature and nobody's let me tell you all the things that are in place to preserve nature in Aruba. We have the marine park that they spoke of from the ACF, right? We have a recent thing that's called zona di desperditious to take all the trash out. We have no cars on the beach, no cars in the dunes. We have no single serve plastics on the island. We have the 60-40 rule when you get a piece of land, that means you can only construct 60% of the land that you get, you need to leave 40% of the green that's on there. Yeah, we have the park, that's about 25% of the entire the entire island that you cannot go to already. And then we have a moratorium on more permits. What else can I do for you to get off my back? Tell me. There is so much things in place to preserve nature on islands. You guys are going crazy. It's too extreme, guys. Nothing too much in this world is good. Not enough regulation, not enough offloading, not everything that's too much is too much. And you guys are gone too far. And that's sorry, but that's what it is. It's gone too far. We have great programs in place already. We don't need to be adding, we need to be enforcing the ones that we got. Yeah, I agree. Why don't we start with that? I agree.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:48

True. You're right. But no, nobody, nobody is really like, even what I said earlier, nobody is really controlling it.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

No, and to me, I get upset. I get upset because I like I told you, I pay taxes and lots of it, as do all my other fellow concurrencies. I hate it, bro. Like, I still see you in loot.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:11

But at the book, at the ball baby, but lots of do paga.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:14

Like no, but but to me, the I think it's unfortunate when I have to see that in Aruba, people with no permits, you know, people with no permits. They get not the emojis. No, yeah, no, of course. I don't want to, I don't want to put nobody on blast. I don't want to put nobody on blast.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:34

I love it. I love it. I put nobody on blast, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:37

I put nobody on blast. But this is this is this is people from the Aruba Tourism Authority giving premium to a tour guide with no permisso. Oh shit. With an A plate, papi. So, and look, whether this person apparently for tour guide or something. I don't know. I did I was zoom in this shit. A recognition for doing the wrong thing. But but you have no permit to be operating in that field. How can you get recognized? What is the value of my permits? Why am I paying you for them if I'm being overlooked for recognition and only getting attacked? And what kind of world do we live in?

SPEAKER_05 1:32:17

Wait, so I know we talked about it. So A-plate means like V is for No, I know I know for rental, but like A-plates, it's it's it's not illegal to have it on the road, but if you're using it for a business, that's illegal.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

That's hella illegal.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:30

Yeah, for tours. So like you can have like one or two on your name, A plate suave. See what even you're renting it out to make money, that's a problem. Of course. Just to elaborate the budget, like was on?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:44

But to me, I look and I want to own a U TV one. Let this not be a direct attack on Atana, no, because I think they do great work. They do have do a lot of great. I really do. The authentic thing that they did is awesome. No, for sure. They do a lot of great, great, great activities. But to me, it is a slap in the face, Shark, when I see somebody with no permits get recognized and gets trophies and plaques and his moment under the stars. Meanwhile, I meet a pagando, uh, I mean, uh, and I get nothing but bullshit and online abuse and and critique that I gotta shut down. Come on, Manson.

unknown 1:33:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:21

Yeah. That's that's very wild.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:24

I can't believe you brought three seeds, bro. I'm still like, I'm still thrown away by that.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:28

No, I mean, but that's it, it is it is something to be extremely frustrated about because how do you tell me by it's like playing by the rules is gonna end up fucking you over more than breaking the rules.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:41

I and everything that they have asked of me, I have done. This is the big map that I didn't bother taking out yet. But pull it out, pull the bitch out.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:50

Yeah, but this is but this is I'm I'm afraid to ask, like, hey, but anything in there, but that's here for two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:55

So this right here, remember, I said 25 permits. This is all 25 of my vehicles. Okay. Now, when I take out one vehicle, for example, yeah, they're due for inspection soon. So I have my appointment for the inspection.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:08

I have to paid, but paid. This is my registration to the number to the vehicle that's on there. Okay. This is my insurance. Yeah, this is the number that I paid for the year, and this is my permit from the government that I was issued to run my business. Now, what's the problem? Why you still all up on my shit? Tell me why. And then why is I'm doing this, me getting that.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:32

And he gets an award for doing it not the right way.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:35

And then on top of that, you also have like the 16 pager, which is like, I also have a solution, guys. Like, I have solutions. You also have solutions. It's like you're really trying to work with everybody, and then I want to work. Everybody's working again. That's is fucked up. I can see why. And at some point, this is why I feel like companies don't last, because at some point you do feel like your island is working against you, and it's like, okay, so Kiara for me succeed off no. Yeah. Like, it feels like the for to have a business here is like they're more against you than they are for you and rooting to see you win. And that's that's something to be fucked up about. I would be hella frustrated. I c I completely understand your frustration now. And so For sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:15

I'm I'm just trying to think, like, how can we bring out because I wanna obviously thank you for being here. Um we're not closing off the show, by the way. But thank you for being here. I wish you could have had ABC Tours, maybe I'm hearing who I know. Uh Ian, you know, Ian from Alpha Revolution. I do know Ian, yeah. Yeah, Ian and um Krushanka. Like, even have them just have like the UTV people over here, and have Greg, Nigel, somebody else over here, and then you and me in the middle, and like, all right, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:43

So keep using listen, you give me a date, a time, and a place, and I will be there. I ain't running because I got nothing to hide. I ain't going nowhere because I got nothing to hide. All right? This is not AI generated. Granted, I didn't. Obviously, we don't ask you. Don't fucking with me. That's cute. But you know, it's it's it's it's not AI generated. This really happened. Yeah. You know? Now imagine ballrooms being rented, parties, free drinks, booze, snacks, trophies. And we weren't invited. I wasn't part of that. But my money paid for all of it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Anyway, I should have a mic drop, get the fuck out of here, because I'm pissed. I'm now I'm pissed. Yeah. You understand? This is a that is something to piss piss you off.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:27

Yeah, man. We can't be doing that, man. That's terrible. The one that goes on the Hidden Masculine Business that was the um resonating with you. You know, like for finding somebody that's like willing to be poppy out over, because obviously it's also a risk for you. Because you're what's up with the bucko even more now. So now you become a target to something like, oh, what's up? Ali, what's up? You're standing up for your community and and fellow peers. But it's not a good thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

You know, I feel like it's I that's what I was about to say. I feel like it is yes and no, because I feel like it is way bigger. Locals in general will be able to resonate with this story because you see a lot of people complaining about this a lot with having local businesses, ladies that probably do nails, you'll see them being like, why the kistrami company na kavika, last nutur saina, but then somebody else is in fraq and but just posting, hey, I do nails for this this price. Yeah, cash over. So it's like, what is the benefit from registering your company, doing everything the right way, paying your taxes, and then you get fucked because you you probably paid taxes late. But then this person isn't even paying, and they're promoting all out, like, hey yo, um, I got this company, I got the audience, we got a special promo this month, and yeah, it's like okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:46

It goes back to what he was saying, Jimmy was saying, is is regulation. Regulate this is what it's about Airbnbs. He's talked about it. Regular Airbnbs have a standard. Your UTV should be this, your UGV should be that.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:57

I think that's the silver lining from all of these conversations.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:00

Nobody wants to do it. Nobody wants sometimes, sometimes it's also like maybe politicians don't want to do it because it's not pretty, and maybe you could lose votes. It was uh fuck dollars.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:12

But this is how as locals, then we should stand our ground. Why are we acting like fucking a set of pussies? We are paying fucking taxes, we are paying these things, so we should have something to say. This is where now your opinion should matter. This is where you should have an opinion, and this is where all the locals shut the fuck up all the time. And that's why I always talk about selective outrage. When you need to have the big mouth, you don't have it. When you're supposed to tell these people like, um you begged me to vote for you. Why is this happening? Why are we not fixing the red tapes? Why is why are we not doing this? Now I need you to where are all my Facebook warriors at? Let's go. Punch into your shift and do what you gotta do. Yeah, but then it's not happening. It's cricket.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:52

You got nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:52

Yep, but then somebody kills a dog and it's like end of the world. Charlie's dead, Charlie needs sardines. Yo, everybody get on your best sardine hunt. Look for your best fisherman, cuz Charlie gotta survive.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:06

But Johnny and Pariba doesn't have a bread to eat, Miami, so but we don't care about Johnny. We care about Charlie.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:13

Johnny is a problem of bad parenting. Yeah, the parents should have taken care of it. That's the yeah. Charlie didn't have a mom and dad to feed him. Uh shot bullshit. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. Please just stop it.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:24

And then we want to have like some sort of selective like conversation. We should bring Jimmy. Hey Jimmy, what does your biggest studio?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:30

Jimmy, tour. Send somebody else. We need you for this topic today.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:36

We've talked about it multiple times in the past. Because on Tuesdays, we just we just do us episodes, and it's just a topic, and we just debate it. And we've thought about, hey, you know, just let just bring selective people on the show. Hey, was that over the the chill? Just be enjoying it, just think about input.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:55

We're putting it in. Now what's your opinion? All right, James. Just add it to the list.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:59

No, no, listen, I count on me. Count on me. I'm I'm a gamer. Because, like, honestly, I've listened to me, first of all, I want to say this. I am just so grateful that you guys, with a platform so powerful, gave me a chance to get my voice out there. 100%. Because normally I get blocked. Normally my voice gets canceled and shut down and boycotted. Because they all block me. Once I push back, it's like, nope, too much trouble. Don't want to deal with this guy. Block. Delete. And that's that's not how I like to debate. I don't mind losing a debate, to your point. I don't mind losing it. But you better be ready to go to war. Let's go. Because we're going to war, you know? And that's what that is. Period. Period.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:42

But now you studied shark.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:44

Listen, I don't give a fuck what nobody's saying. What are you saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:40:49

Nah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:49

Okay. But, Jims, any other thing you want to add? No, everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:53

There is a lot more, but I think we've covered what we had to cover. And so, in again, finishing what I was getting ready to say is like you guys are just awesome for letting me get on here. I'm so grateful. Thank you for coming out. I'm so thankful for the opportunity. And I did not know what to expect, to be honest. Same here. Same here. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:09

We're just glad you're not batching crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:11

That would have been very different. I told you, I'm a little concerned because, like, usually we what's the wakeron cake? Do the background search in Tiki. That's like I'm like, Jimmy Yeager. Yeah. Like, fucking sharks. I'm a little concerned. Like, I don't know, I don't know anything about this guy. We just signed up blindly. But like, but it's the only guy that's that has an opinion about the other side of the medallion, but the UTVs. And I think, yeah. Let's take it. I hope he doesn't go like batshit crazy and like. I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:39

No, I hope I didn't do none of that today. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:42

No.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:43

At all.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:44

Is that what you wanted to say? But you also brought receipts and you brought you brought statements and opinions that you guys can have a debate down in the comments.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:52

Like To me, I feel like you have a very boop, boop, boop, boop, boop style, but I it's for some reason I feel like it was extremely respectful. To me, I never got disrespect out of you this entire time calling numerous people out, even Greg. And I feel like that's like a serious thing right there. And even with that, I feel like you gave him a lot of grace and a lot of respect, even when acknowledging the situations and all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:19

So no, I I have like again, the idea is not to break nobody, but the idea is for me not to get broken. I'm tired of being broken myself. And so our we're saying that our podcast went about like an hour and 45. But it's because you've had eight or nine people on for about an hour each bashing on what we're trying to do here. And so you must have had hella questions yourselves, also, as to like, hey, we've heard so much about this. What about this? What about that? We got questions from our viewers, we got this, and and hopefully now, and I'm not hope I'm not looking to change people's minds. I'm just looking to add a little bit more to their conversation that they can be like, oh, well, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:00

Now we can have a debate. Now we can have a conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:02

Now we can have a debate. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:04

It was a one side one-sided beating the whole time.

unknown 1:43:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:09

Look at him some alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:09

Look at him some alcohol. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:11

No, no, it's like a child.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:15

The fact that he got that joke, bro. He's a real OG though.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:22

Oh fuck this guy. I made that joke early. I feel like he went over his health. Okay. He didn't know. Anyways, guys. Okay, but

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SPEAKER_05 1:43:27

let's get it. Let's get it. I do. I did want to say, is there any any other UTV companies out there that want to come on the show add more to Jimmy's story? Respectfully, I don't want to hear what y'all gotta say.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:38

I'm so sorry. I feel like Jimmy laid it off. Like, y'all ain't got shit else to say respectfully.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:43

Maybe they want to say maybe there's a few things he missed.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:45

Say it on Big Wata Ora. I don't know. Like, I'm sorry. Jimmy already gave it to us the right way. Now we just need Mr. Greg to respond, and then we could be like, okay, now we can have like the other the other discussion. Like Jimmy and them needs to come back, Greg and them needs to come back, and now we can have because now we have to get like Greg's out.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:04

If he's willing to come more. Yeah. He will. He will. He will. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:08

Smart play is like, yeah, he will. Hey, Jimmy Naya. Yeah. It is what it is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

unknown 1:44:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:15

Let's put it out there. You see, now you cannot not come.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:18

Oh God.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:20

Jimmy, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for sharing a lot. I've definitely learned a lot today. I do like some of your solutions. I love. Yeah. And again, everything has to go through day what today we a day away guy drew this. So I think Lena Plean.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:35

Did you post that? Is that posted by any chance? By any me? No, not yet. No. Oh, it's not been posted yet, no. Because if you think people would get people would understand this. This is it's needed, if anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:47

Like and all the rocks have already been laid out there to do it. So let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:52

And again, and this is not me trying to disrespect the bike people, but a bike, the bike people have a pathway. And I think they said they create it on their own. Because like nobody would help them and stuff like that. I remember this a few years ago. So I remember them creating a path and then the the motorcycle people fucked it up. The dirt bike people. Yeah. And then they were upset. But I mean, if they can have a path, I don't think that it's an issue for y'all to have a little patch.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:15

I think that's a great solution.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:16

I think it's the best solution.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:18

If you if you create this and you create multiple paths based off our tours, like four-hour tour, eight-hour tour, it interconnects, then you just solve the big problem. Like so, so what's the next thing you want to complain about?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:32

And the regulations that that that he has with like, hey, your car is set to like these these maximum speeds. Yeah. And again, if you're only doing it as tours and not as rentals, what's the guarantee that everybody's driving behind each other for somebody like let me go? Like, nah. Calm the fuck down. Stand the fuck back in line. Let's go. Okay, this is this area. We're gonna stop at Boca Prends. We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that. I fuck with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:57

Yeah, man. You do with the way we say it, or you're not gonna do with me. Get the fuck up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:01

Playing the same thing. And everybody needs to have that mindset. Else you're not gonna do it. Not with me. You're not gonna do it. Like, I'm I can guarantee you, I know my island and I know the tours that we do here. None nobody is gonna take you on if this is your attitude. So I'm telling you right now, you're gonna stop.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:16

Or UTV is just done for you in Aruba. Period. Point blank period. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:21

Cool. Well, Jimmy, thanks for coming. My name is Well, we already said it. Yeah. If we ever have an opinion, you born about gonna fucking join.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:28

I am with it, boys. Let's get it. Thank you all so much as well, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:32

Guys, I hope you guys learn. At least you guys get to hear the other side of the medallion of this UTV conversation. Because, you know, we've as he said, we had multiple different guests who was basically against it or bashed it. He came out and defended. So now finally we have a back and forth conversation. So this would definitely not be the end. Greg, if anybody knows Greg and you're watching this, share this.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:52

He's always online, so he's gonna see this.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:54

So share this with Greg, or at least clip this part. Greg, if you thought we'll be in the filter, and we'll just go from there. So thanks for coming. Subscribe, and we'll see you next week. Peace. Bye.