Welcome to the Blown for Good podcast. My name is Mark Hedley and we have gotten a lot of requests from listeners to do a Q&A series on Scientology for the podcast, so that's exactly what we've done. We've done a lot of Q&As over the past year or two and we've assembled these Q&As into podcasts and that's what you're going to hear now. So thank you very much for listening, and here is Scientology Q&A. Hey guys, welcome to the channel. We're doing a Friday night Q&A. We've got Claire here with us tonight.
Speaker 1:Hello, thanks for having me on honey, absolutely. The comments are already pretty filling up here. We've already got about 69 people commented already Nice. So we're going to do Basically we don't have anything on the agenda tonight. We're just going to do questions, q&a, answer all the people in the chat. Before we get started, though, I wanted to just wrap up some housekeeping items from the past few videos that we've done. We did a video I want to say it was on Monday we did Top Ten Tuesdays Special Monday Edition, and we brought up we have somebody that the Aftermath Foundation is helping.
Speaker 1:If you don't know what the Aftermath Foundation, the Aftermath Foundation basically helps people that have left Scientology or are trying to leave Scientology, get their lives back on track and basically get them going, get them succeeding in life, because in most cases, people that have left Scientology, their whole support structure, their whole family, their whole world is very Scientology-centric, and so if they leave Scientology, they sort of lose their. They could lose their job, they could lose their housing. If they're in the Sea Org, in a lot of cases they don't have a GED. In a lot of cases they've never driven before, they've never had a job in the outside world, because a lot of Sea Org members. A large majority of current Sea Org members are second generation Scientologists, so they don't know anything else outside of Scientology and, in a lot of cases, not outside of the Sea Organization. So we have somebody that we've been helping for a while. He just is about to get his GED. To get his GED, he is really doing amazing, and as soon as he finishes his GED he wants to start working, and so he lives in Los Angeles. That's where we're trying to get him a job.
Speaker 1:We did get some good leads last week from the video that we did. He does have a slight disability, but he can pretty much do everything anybody else can do. He's very upbeat and sort of like a pretty chill dude and, yeah, we're trying to get him a job. If possible, we're trying to get him a job. It can be a minimum wage job, it doesn't have to be anything super fancy. And we're trying to get him a job in the Hollywood or like West Hollywood. Hollywood adjacent is OK, and we got some good leads last week and if anybody else has got anything they think might work, just go ahead and email. Go to the Aftermath Foundation dot org and you can email us there aftermathfoundationorg and you can email us there and, um, or you can go to the um the about page on the YouTube channel and you can email us at that address and uh, so yeah, that's that. Um, what was the other thing? Oh, yeah, we did when we did the uh top 10 Tuesday last week. If you don't, if you haven't seen that video, you should watch it. It's really good.
Speaker 1:But, um, I was interviewing Claire because I'm going to start interviewing other people and I'm I've never done interviews before. I'm not an interviewer. So I was interviewing Claire as like a test to see how it would work and how it would work with this format and this broadcast and on YouTube and so on. And people were like, gosh, mark doesn't know anything about Claire. I was trying to be like oh okay, and ask questions like I didn't know.
Speaker 1:Of course, I knew probably 98% of the things that I was asking her, but there was one thing that I did not know and that was when Claire, when Claire's mother, joined the C organization. Claire was four years old and I didn't know. In Los Angeles, when C org members have babies or small children like toddlers, I guess you would call it they sleep in either the same big room as their parents, or they sleep in the next bedroom over or something like that, so the parents might have one room and then there might be the living room of that apartment or just another room off of the bedroom and the kids usually have a bunk bed or the kid or whatever has a bed in that room. And Claire didn't even live with her mom when she was four and that answered so many questions and it also blew my mind because basically I mean, am I wrong, claire? Your mom abandoned you when you were four yeah, I mean I mean essentially, yeah, she did.
Speaker 2:Essentially she did I I've come to terms with the fact that, basically, or not even basically, the fact is, when she joined the seer is when I lost her as my mom. That's the fact know. It didn't have to do with when I left Scientology, that of course, she officially disconnected from me that you know, the day after I made my escape. But the fact is is I, she was not my mom anymore after the age of four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so.
Speaker 2:By the way, hold on before you go any further. I think you have the internet cooties down there.
Speaker 1:I don't have anything. Don't worry about any cooties.
Speaker 2:Okay, you look really pixelated.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't look pixelated on my thing, just don't worry about that.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, my goodness, she's already started. She's already started. Guys, I can't win, sorry, okay. So, oh, real quick, here we go. Let's do this. Yeah, I'm going to add this picture here. Let's see if I figured this out right. Let's see if I go like this. There we go. Okay, that's Claire. When they arrived at the St Hill in England, that was the place where Claire's mother was in the Sea Org. That is Claire when her mom basically gave her away to the Sea Organization. That's how old she was. She was four years old.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So that's very crazy to me. Anyway, this, I have another one here. Actually, that's when you were four, yeah, and you just got there. So you, this is like hey, welcome to the Sea Org. And then this picture I don't know if you can see it, but claire is the one she's on the bottom row and she's the second from the left. Yep, uh little, uh little, baby ginger there, and you were six in this picture, right? Roughly, yeah, roughly yeah, yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Anyway, okay, and a lot of those other kids also ended up being in the Sea Org as adults. A lot of them worked at the headquarters with us.
Speaker 1:I was going to say at least four, I think, of those people in that picture were at the Ent base. When we were at the Ent base, yeah, in Los Angeles in California, this is in England. This picture was taken in England in East Grinstead, sussex.
Speaker 2:Yep, In fact Eve Laws is in that picture in the second row. In fact, Eve Laws is in that picture in the second row. She's one of the people that was yelling at you on Highway 79 when you went back to the base with the Danish film crew.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I should find that and put that up on YouTube. That's a really good video, yeah, okay. So that's enough of that, so let me get back to the. There we go. Anyway, it's just, it's kind of crazy. It is crazy. I just I can't imagine. I mean, we have, we have a nine-year-old, a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old. I can't even imagine leaving the 10 year old alone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the nine year old he'll be. He'll be 10 next week. Yeah, but yeah, our 16 year old is older than both of us were when we were already had been already working in the Sea Org for almost one year case what a year and a half. And, in my case, six months, seven to a year and a half and, in my case, six months, seven to a year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy, it's not, um, is my thing still pixelated? Yeah, so I set it to record locally okay and I don't know if it is. I don't know if that's why it is like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's a bummer, I still recognize you.
Speaker 2:I'm just yeah, it's all good. Somebody said they were, they were getting um, their vertigo was getting triggered, so they were just focusing on me. Oh, it's better now. Wait, yep, it's better. Oh, no, okay, sorry, not trying to distract you, I was just trying to give you a heads up.
Speaker 1:It's okay. We have like a gig down and a gig up. It's like fiber, it's not the bandwidth, it's just the.
Speaker 2:It's not because otherwise we'd both be pixelated. We're both on the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's like literally right above me in a different room. This room is so small and my desk barely fits me me, so it's not like I can put another person here. People are like why don't you let her in the man cave? It's there's. No, also it's friday and um. So if I say basically, or if I interrupt, claire, take a drink.
Speaker 2:What so? What are my mandates then?
Speaker 1:17 times already. No, that's. I mean I don't know what. We don't have anything for you. If you comment on my video or audio quality, take a drink. So I'll take a drink for that as well.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:I'll take a drink and I'll take one for a customary. Basically, cheers, if you've got. What time is it? It's 7-11. So we'll cut off the questions. It's 7-45-ish.
Speaker 1:I think that's good, but yeah, I was trying to think if there was something else. Oh, I was going to do another spy files video yesterday, folks, and I got to reading. So everybody knows, I've had for years I've had this dossier that the office of special affairs had, but it only was my documents. So there was about, I'd say, 25 to 30 documents, but they only related to me and some of them had some crossover data, like South Park and this other guy, chuck Beatty, and there's a few other things, but it was pretty much just me. Well, in the last few months I've gotten 5,000 more of these files and folders and I was going through them last night, right before I was about to record a video, and I ended up reading several hundred, maybe even a thousand of them and they are insane. They are um, there's probably 25 other folders like dossiers that have all these different people and all the things that are being done with them, and then there's just hundreds and hundreds of of back and forth between dave muscavige and other executives and regarding office of special affairs activities.
Speaker 1:There's meetings I'll tell you guys, this is a lot of juice. There's meetings with Barbara Walters. There's meetings with CNN regarding an Anderson Cooper show. There's meetings with CNN regarding an Anderson Cooper show. There's meetings with people regarding a Larry King show. Like CNN and Larry King were trying to get David Miscavige to come on their show and interview him show and interview him and Scientology had this sort of agreement that until David Miscavige comes on, they wouldn't do any shows on Scientology as the subject. And so there was no. These guys were all this this was in 2006, 2007, ish, and there was all kinds of Scientology crazy going on and these guys were like hands off because that was the deal for them to get Dave. And then, when Larry King found out that Dave was maybe going to go on Anderson Cooper, then he started using his lines to try to get to the church and Mike Rinder's meeting with all these people and having phone calls. It's a crazy thing. And and um, and I'll tell you, the person who played everybody was barbara walters, because barbara walters, um, had a meeting and she said some things and did some things and they basically, I'm pretty sure, oh sorry. And they got Tom Cruise to do an interview with Barbara Walters. She never got Dave Miscavige, but neither did Larry King and neither did Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 1:And Anderson Cooper went on to do I think it was called Scientology Culture of Violence, which was amazing. I think it was called Scientology Culture of Violence, which was amazing. And it had Mike, jeff Hawkins, tom DeVocht and I think one other person oh, maybe Marty and they had the wives of those four guys go on Anderson Cooper, and it was amazing. And all of them said that they knew every inch of their husband's bodies and they would know if David Miscavige was beating him up or whatever. But they each said the same exact statement in some way or another, like when it went to the next wife. She's like now, listen, I know every inch of my husband's body. And then the next one would say well, I knew every inch of my husband. And so then they became I think Mike Rinder is the one who coined it, but they became known as the inch wives.
Speaker 2:Spot on. You know that was dictated by Miscavige. No doubt about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, in his case, if his wife was on there, she'd have to say I knew every centimeter or something. I don't know. I don't know how you can what's smaller than an inch speaking?
Speaker 2:of which, by the way, I'm I was when that show aired. I was just so grateful that I got the hell out of there, because, oh yeah, you'd been otherwise I would have been one of the inch wives. God forbid, oh, dodged a bullet on that one.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna take a drink just to celebrate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cheers.
Speaker 1:I didn't have you bad mouthing me on CNN with Anderson Cooper.
Speaker 2:That would have been awful.
Speaker 1:Let's do some questions. You want to do some questions, or is there anything you wanted to say or do before we get into the Q&A land?
Speaker 2:Say hi to Mike Mike Rinder's in the chat Give him a wrench.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me see where is he. Oh, let me go here, let's see where he is.
Speaker 2:I'll give him a wrench so apparently, apparently we did a poor job scheduling this, because aaron's doing a live right now too okay, that's what we're waiting for.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not. The world does not stop and start according according to Aaron. I hate to break it.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Marty is. So here's what I've got. I've got people are saying, oh, you can do it. Mike Rinder said Marty, Okay. So when I go to Mike in the chat I have two options. I have put user in timeout or block user. That's all I got oh weird.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I don't know. Also, by the way, I just realized Mike is a moderator. I sent him an invite to be a moderator. So if he wants to be a moderator or get a wrench, all he has to do is answer the um the thing, the invitation okay yeah, the invitation okay cool oh, jeff hawkins is here.
Speaker 2:Hi, jeff all right.
Speaker 1:wow, we're getting a lot of good ones here. Um, is it possible that lrh left ot9 and 10 on the top shelf of a closet and dmc OT 9 and 10 on the top shelf of a closet and DMC simply can't reach them? Also, it's a closet where LRH banned ladder tech, thus making the problem exponentially worse. Steven, that is very possible. It's not impossible. How about that? I'm not sure what happened, but yeah, denver Stevo. Thank you, denver Stevo.
Speaker 2:Claire, how many plaid shirts does Mark own? Oh, you know Hi.
Speaker 1:Denver Stevo. My answer to that question is all of them. Yeah, I do. I did wear a shirt. I don't know if it's buzzing, it's very tight pattern, but this is what I wore to work. You guys think I'm dressing up for these things. No, I just got off work and I just sat down. I mean, it is what it is. You get what you get.
Speaker 2:You get what you get. We've got better variety than A-Rod.
Speaker 1:Another Denver Steve-O? Sounds like another shot of bourbon for me tonight, yeah okay, then absolutely um, yeah, the um.
Speaker 1:I was, you know, as a joke, I was gonna wear blue shirts instead of black shirts, but I only have two of those and they're really like dark navy and they look just like black on video in this room is not that bright, um, and I think when I wore one on one of aaron's podcasts he's like you guys shop at the same store. So, um, yeah, so I just wear whatever I wear at work, okay, so, thank, mark wears plaid like aaron does black shirts. Yeah, exactly, yeah, take it easy. Oh, this is a good one. I like this one Light giver. The best part of Mark is Claire X-Glam, x-glam.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank, you light giver, I'm pretty sure no one has missed that fact.
Speaker 1:And I am very well aware of that fact too, and everybody who knows us knows that it's Thank you, Thank you for thank you.
Speaker 1:Captain, obvious, lori Howard got my book today. Oh, thank you, mark. I don't think you will ever have to worry about someone copying your signature, lol. Yeah, funny thing about that is that when I was in the Sea Org for oh, I don't know, maybe five years or so, I can't remember For several years I was an executive. I was in the executive council, and if you're on exec council in the Sea Org of Golden Air Productions, where I was, you become a check signer for the most part. If you're an American citizen and you have a driver's license and you've got like documents that you can go to the bank with, they set you up as a check signer. And so at Golden Arrow Productions I'm going to say several hundred checks a week I would have to sign, and so over the years, so I was signing my signature several hundred times every single week for years and over those years my signature became what looks like an M scribble, what looks like an H scribble, and that's pretty much what it is to this day. So thank you, I'm glad you got your book, gloria. I hope you enjoy it Now.
Speaker 1:Just so everybody knows, I didn't get an education, so I was like 14. And I never expected that my book, that I would ever write a book. I don't even read books, so the fact that I would write a book is pretty miraculous. So, yeah, it's rough. It's also self-published. So, yeah, it is what it is. And also I wrote it just a few years after I escaped from the Sea Org. So I'm a totally different person. I think I'm slightly more educated and maybe more appropriate than some of the things I say or do in the book. And also when I was writing the book, I was writing it from the view of that time, wherever it took place in the book. So when I was 16, I was writing it from the viewpoint of a 16-year-old. So so there's childish things in there in some places.
Speaker 2:So two comments. I don't know if you knew, but I was the check signer for RTC for four years.
Speaker 1:Oh well, that kind of just blows away my whole thing, because your signature totally read, claire, and totally read.
Speaker 2:Headley, okay well we also figured out somebody in the comments figured out why you look blurry.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, thank you.
Speaker 2:It's because we're working.
Speaker 1:Because what.
Speaker 2:Because everybody's drinking for your face oh yes, perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, now you're blurry to me, just so you know there you go. I'm definitely not going to do local recordings anymore.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever, we'll fix it for next time.
Speaker 1:RTC didn't cut as many checks as Golden Era Productions did. You guys were cutting like 100 checks or 50 checks, not 600 checks. I mean we were writing checks for all the food, for all the electricity, everything for the whole property. Jb Wilder says does DM file taxes for himself? In what state and what address does he use on his federal and state returns? Do you know anything about that? You were the internal exec, I know he does file taxes for himself.
Speaker 2:in what state? At least when I was there was California the address. I don't know the answer to that, but I would guess it would be the RTC address, which was 1710 Ivar Avenue, la, california, whatever the zip code was 1710 Ivar was the RTC address.
Speaker 1:The RTC was at the inhibit. Yeah, the mailing address was there. Yeah, 1710 ivar was the mailing address. Um, sorry, um, okay, this is a good one.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we're on the final, but Jarrett says how does the church treat LGBTQ people? Is it pretty harsh or is it a tolerate them because they're spending money, kind of thing? David Miscavige personally is very, very homophobic and even people who had thoughts about being homophobic were kicked off the property so they were not there. But additionally. So that's David Miscavige and pretty much whatever he thinks or feels or does kind of trickles down to everybody. Or feels or does kind of trickles down to everybody.
Speaker 1:But L Ron Hubbard also wrote that specifically, anyone who is a homosexual is what's called 1-1 on the tone scale, which is covert hostility. Basically that they're backstabbers and that they're evil and not to be trusted. Stabbers and that they're evil and not to be trusted. And I think in some there is a reference, mike, I wish mike was here, he could tell us exactly. But I think there is a reference about treating them how, um lepers were treated in the early days, like just put them on an island and let them live by them by themselves, so they don't affect anybody else.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they don't treat them well at all and that community might even be rarer in Scientology than African-Americans, which are very, very scarce in Scientology. Like if they make up one or two percent. I think that'd be a stretch, and LGB2 is probably less than one percent, maybe even less than half a percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think they let them in to let them spend money and expect. The expectation by Scientology is if they're counseled and trained in Scientology, then they will be scared.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ridiculous, you're not uh, yeah, you're certainly not running around with your boyfriend at the org, like, even if you are um, let's say, even if you are their intention is to cure you of that and that the more you do Scientology, sooner or later you won't be so Yep, okay, so I can't. I can't stop. If the video is weird or something like that, I can't stop it. I can't change the settings midstream, so I just won't do that again. I'm sorry, guys, if it's still being an issue. Okay, thank you, jarrett, that was a great question. Tarkina Myers says love Fridays with Mark and Claire Wondered if you ever tried to, under the radar, try to contact family and friends still in scientology pics of kids, happy birthday, happy mother's day, etc. Yes, I have done that I sent.
Speaker 2:I sent my mom um invitation to our baby shower flowers I've sent. I sent. We made an album when our first son was born, like his one one year photos. I sent that to her. It was returned unopened. You know we follow my one of my sisters on Facebook. She has a dog. She's a dog trainer. Mark and I both like her posts all the time. We're kind of very in your face about it and Mark always gives me a hard time about accepting pretty much anybody as a friend on Facebook. But my view is, hey, if they were to create a fake profile and contact me with our son we just had one son at the time and we'd sit like 10 feet away from them and Mark would be like go Kirsten.
Speaker 2:And my parents ignored us yeah.
Speaker 1:We would be sitting on the bleachers and her parents would literally be four feet away from us. Their whole family the mother, the father, the brother and the other sister would be sitting there, and her sister would be on the field playing softball. She was on a college team at was it Loyola Marymount?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And we would be yelling go, go, go, and they wouldn't look at us the whole time. We would be sitting on the same rung of the bleacher, four feet over, and they didn't talk to us, didn't do anything. And I think we did that once or twice and then it was kind of like it is what it is, but it was definitely like, hey, we're here, we're here. You guys don't talk to us. We're still supporting Claire's sister and I think I talked to her sister's boyfriend one time for a few minutes. I said if you guys ever need anything, here's my card.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay. Rachel says I'm caught alive. Do your children ask about your experience in Scientlesinger? And said how do I?
Speaker 2:explain to my kids when they know that, when they come to figure out that basically 75% of their grandparents don't talk to us. And she gave me really good advice and just said just always tell them the truth and that way you know they'll never go down that path. And so we've always done that, We've always. Just, we tell them what we're saying here, Like, yeah, we used to be in a crazy place. We had to get out of there, Dad wrote a book about it and and they, they, as they get older, they're asking more and more questions. They haven't watched math yet. Personally that's a little bit, honestly, a sore spot, just because of the very sore subjects that I covered in at least some of those episodes. But anyway, they definitely know and they understand and they're getting more and more gend in the older they get yeah, um yeah, they haven't.
Speaker 1:I don't think they've watched the aftermath, but I think they haven't.
Speaker 2:I mean they know they know that they were in it, though they've had friends saying, oh, I saw you on tv and I kind of go, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not the most kid-friendly subject in there. Also, we did figure out what the drink is for Claire. If you see or hear any animal activity in the background of Claire's video, then you drink. So if you didn't see her dogs rolling around in there somewhere Shepard, so you got to.
Speaker 2:She's my, she's my support dog. She knew I was talking about an emotionally charged subject, so she came to nudge me gently, so sweet.
Speaker 1:Okay, erica Bickers, hello, mark and Claire, I really enjoy listening to your lives in Scientology. That rule of Seaward parents not raising their kid is really effed up. It really is. And, just so you guys know, they don't allow babies in the Sea Org anymore.
Speaker 1:So at a certain point I think I want to say in the 80s, I want to say in the mid-80s sometime, if you had kids you couldn't join the sea orc. They either had to join the sea orc themselves and just be a sea orc member, or they had to give the kids away to somebody else. Or like if, if the mom like this is a great example, and oh, and this was the thing I was, I remembered. And now that I'm going to example, and oh, and this was the thing I remembered, and now that I'm going to say this, I'll bring up the thing about your mom. But so my mom, when I joined the Sea Org when I was 16 years old, and then my sister joined the Sea Org when she was 16. She was like a year and a half, just like a year and a half younger than I was. So I joined when I was 15, 16, and then my sister joined when she was 16. And then my mom had a son with another guy. So my half brother and I want to say she joined the Sea Org. My mother joined the Sea Org, I want to say, when my half brother was like five or six. So she just basically was like I'm out, I'm not a mom anymore, I'm a Sea Org member and the dad raised him.
Speaker 1:And when we escaped the Sea Org my mom and my sister were both shortly thereafter kicked out of the Sea Org. They were what's called in the Sea Org. It's called offloaded. They offloaded my mom and my sister. But my mom and my sister stayed in Scientology. So they don't work in the Sea Organization. They have regular nine to five jobs for Scientologists in most cases, or both cases, or however they, whatever they do.
Speaker 1:My sister works for this really big wig whale of a Scientologist down in Clearwater. He owns some big company. His name is Tom Cummins. I think he's given like $10 million to Scientology. My sister used to work for him. She may still work for him, I don't know and she has a son with a husband my sister does. And then my mother was kicked out of the Sea Org and she married a guy who works at a Scientology organization and they live somewhere in Ohio or Kentucky or something. And the last I heard my mom was like selling hummus in the mall at a kiosk, or some hummus and um pita bread or something like that, like a Greek kiosk in a mall somewhere, I don't know Anyway.
Speaker 2:So um, oh, and Stephanie for a while was at that Canada base.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody sent me a video. I'm going to put a link to it in the description of this after the video is over. But my sister worked at this place in Canada called the Hockney Highlands and her and this other guy got assigned there and I guess they just got married. They were together there and then they ended up getting married. They were the only two people. They were like caretakers for this big property that was supposed to be made in to I think it was going to be the Canadian Advanced Org or some kind of plan was for this building and the locals wigged out and they basically abandoned it and I think they ended up selling it or maybe they still own it, it's just abandoned. But my sister and her husband were the only, as far as I know they were. There was another gal that was there.
Speaker 1:This is a crazy story. There was another gal that was there and they found her and brought her back. Like the police found her and they were like what happened? And she's like I'm trying to get away, and they brought her back. Or my sister and her husband went to the law enforcement like oh hey, come on, come on back, and they brought her back. Um, so yeah, kind of crazy, but the point I was going to make is that my mother and Claire's mother have both done videos for our hate sites that Scientology has and after I mean already, who cares, like whatever? But you abandon a little girl at four years old. How do you get to do a?
Speaker 1:video about anything Like you're disqualified, you're done, that's it. You don't get to do it. Um same thing with my mom you let all your you abandon all your kids and you just gave them away, or you abandoned them and joined the c-org. You don't get to make a video. You're done, you don't. You don't qualify anyway, okay, get ready to be under the table with that drink game. Oh, did I say basically 17 more times here? I'll take another drink on my day I'm not keeping track I got a strawberry mule here.
Speaker 2:It's very good, it's very tasty bella went to sleep, so I'm good, I'm not causing anyone to get drunk you say that and then poof, they're just gonna pop out and stick her head right there um houston uh. H4m street team I answered that in the comments too, that you got them from marty yeah, I've never heard of the story how you got all the spy files.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got them from marty rathbun which is just so funny now well, yeah, I mean, and also, to be fair, marty has posted some of these spy files on his site. I should do a video because Scientology I think they did this with Mike and a blog Mike Rinder still has a blog and Marty Rathbun had a blog, and Scientology created two identical blogs, so it looks just like their blog. It's a Scientology version and instead of them exposing Scientology, it's basically saying all these hateful things about Mike and Mike's blog case or Marty and Marty's case. But, yeah, it's crazy, couch. Thanks, couch.
Speaker 1:I left Aaron's video for you guys. Oh well, thanks, couch. Oh, thank you, I'm sorry, aaron, I didn't. Yeah, you know, here's the thing I didn't tell Aaron I was going to go live tonight and he didn't tell me he was going live tonight and he didn't tell me he was going live tonight. So if I would, if he would have told me, I would have said I'll push it an hour or I'll go an hour earlier, whatever. But we didn't. I mean, I've talked, I talked to aaron for like an hour today. We just we didn't, I don't know, I did a billion abominable, would treat the Sea Org members so abominably. Billion dollar, hmm.
Speaker 2:TM takes pleasure in this. Do you think it will continue when he's gone? Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1:You know, that's another thing. When I was in Scientology I thought we were scraping by. I thought Scientology was scraping by because we never had money for anything. I mean, if you read my book I kind of get into that a little bit. But to give you an idea of the things, they don't spend money on toilet paper. They don't spend money on toilet paper. Toilet paper, they don't spend money on toilet paper. So, and if you're a c work member, um, you have to buy your own toilet paper for your where you live, and so the funniest is where would smuggle toilet paper home from?
Speaker 2:you know they'd have it like in their bag or whatever game score to roll the paper yeah.
Speaker 1:So what would happen is at the organization wherever you worked, they would have toilet paper in the bathrooms because it's public facing in most cases like regular people are coming into that organization and doing stuff and if they're going to be some toilet paper in there. So invariably what happens is a Sea Org member would go in the bathroom and they'd use the restroom and then they would just take the roll and shove it in their pocket or their jacket or something and then that's gone, the roll's gone. And so if you have 50 Sea Org members all stealing a roll, then the org's got no toilet paper and that's how Sea Org members would have toilet paper at their birthing is. They'd steal the organization. So pretty much any Scientology or Sea Org organization that you go into there's usually no toilet paper in the bathroom because the staff are stealing it.
Speaker 2:There's usually no toilet paper in the bathroom because the staff are stealing it. Yeah, I'd say. The other thing that's really different about our lives now that we're out of the Sea Org is in the Sea Org there's a policy from Hubbard that says that perfume was invented by some psychiatrist. On the whole track to disguise implants or something like that like orange peel is specifically referenced. So seer members are not allowed to wear anything scented at all. So now, mark and I embrace monster competition about who can smell better, and so yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I wear everything. I have you like, claire's not lying nothing. You can have nothing scented. You can have scented soap, deodorant, um, like whatever you wash your laundry with. That can't be scented laundry detergent. Nothing, not one thing with perfume or any scents in the ingredients. So as soon as we left the Sea, Ark scented deodorant, hairspray, gel, shampoo, laundry softener detergent what is that stuff? Unstoppables.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unstoppables Febreze.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just dump that whole bottle in there. Yeah, I don't like to. Yeah, just don't love it. Yeah, I don't like to, I don't like to. Um, yeah, um, yeah, marty, um, marty's blog link re LGBT, lgbt. Uh, mike Rinder's blog, mike's blog link Um, I'm going to just show that real quick. Here we go, there you go. Okay, it's in the it'll be in the comments, I guess. But if you just go to Mike Rinder blog Scientology homophobia, there you go. Perfect, mike Rinder's blogorg Scientology homophobia. And is Mike in here? Is he still in here?
Speaker 2:I not sure Jackson is here. Hi, jackson.
Speaker 1:Hey Jackson, Gary Moorhead. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Um, and I think um, catherine is here Rose.
Speaker 1:Of course she is. She's always here Um JLD is me. Thank you, rinder Ravers, for Mike Rinder's fan club.
Speaker 2:JLD is me Yay.
Speaker 1:You know what guys? Nice to see you here again.
Speaker 1:So Aaron Smith-Levin has a YouTube channel growing up in Scientology. If you haven't seen it, or most of you probably came from that channel to come to this channel but he was doing this and I've been doing videos. He was doing this and I've been doing videos. Claire and I have been doing videos and films on Scientology since 2008, 2009,.
Speaker 1:I'd say We've done programs for the BBC, danish TV, german TV, australian TV, louis Theroux movie, all these different things, but I never really thought anybody would watch on YouTube. So I was like, eh, and then when Aaron started doing videos and he started getting people watching, I thought I'll try it and I tried Mike Rinder to do it. So if you guys think Mike Rinder should start a YouTube channel or maybe do the Fair Game podcast on YouTube or anything like that, put it, put it something in the comments, just if you, if you and if you would like to encourage Mike Rinder to bring back the fair game podcast on YouTube or just start his own YouTube channel, get in there and show, show us some love and we'll see what happens. See if we can, can push them over the edge to do it.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Trinity Devane, I'm reading your book and last night I had an amazing realization that all the chapter titles are Depeche Mode songs. You know what? No one has ever said that publicly, and now you have. I thought that was very cool. Yes all ofting Trinity titles and there's all kinds of Depeche Mode Easter eggs. Even in the book there's song lyrics and but it was just a little nod to Depeche Mode. I think I even dedicated the book to Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2:You did, you did. We sent a copy to them.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, mike says, michael Rinder says I'm going for a chartreuse or lilac.
Speaker 2:That was when we were talking about the shirts.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, good, there you go.
Speaker 2:I was, I. I marked that just so you'd know he was in the chat. But somebody said he had, he said he had to go.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, it's all good, he'll hear about it and I'll tell him. Look at the comments and hopefully there'll be at least three people that say Mike should start a YouTube channel. Hey, claire, I've seen a few comments that your mic is a little loud. Just push it. Just push it a little bit away from yourself.
Speaker 2:I did. Already. I saw that same comment, but I pushed it further away now.
Speaker 1:You're just loud. That's all it is For everybody listening.
Speaker 2:I have a new mic, so video will be as good as there you go your video crapped out when you said that, so I don't know what you said okay, I have a new mic coming oh, a new mic coming.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, good. Erica says when both of you left, which meal or food did you go to a certain restaurant, all out, or what was your first treat? Oh, that's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think just well, well, first of all, the the funny thing was that when you picked me up at the bus station, the first thing we did was we went to Denny's. We just had. We had to talk through a few things Like I was like why the heck did you leave me? Behind. But after that memory, where did we go? It was like Olive Garden or that, and we we went to a night. I'd only been out for like three days and we sat and we were done in 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:We just wolfed down the entire meal yeah, I want to say it was like a marie calendars or it was some kind of sit down restaurant. And when we got our meals, I want to say Claire and I Claire and I were done eating our entire meal in about two minutes. And our families were just our. It was my dad, his wife and my dad's sister, my aunt. They were literally just looking at us like what is wrong with you guys? Like you just ate an entire plate of food in 80 seconds. We were like because for 15 years you're eating a meal in three minutes. So it's like, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is what it is uh, wendy gomes says what percentage are molesters slash statutory rapists? Oh shoot, I shouldn't have said that word. Um, youtube's gonna ding me for that one. Um more percentage than the lbtq or the uh mixed, I would say for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, scientology enables such criminals to get away with their criminal acts. I had experiences with that, starting at the age of seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the I'm going to say basically the problem with Scientology in regards to those sort of assaults is that not only do they enable it and they protect the person, but they do a lot of victim shaming and blaming. So if anything bad happens to you, it's your fault. So if you got attacked by another person, it's your fault. So if you got it, um, by another person, that's your fault. And what did you? Instead of saying like oh, we're going to deal with that person, instead of doing that, the immediate response is what did you do to pull that in? Like you're out. If something bad happens to you, then you are out ethics and you have done. You've committed crimes, or you have overts or you're withholding something. It's basically, there's no finger pointing from you. You don't get to do any finger pointing. You need to do some self-examination and start up and confessing crimes. So it's almost like David Miscavige just announced Mark and Claire won the weekly birthday game. Thank you, aaron. Did you put that up?
Speaker 2:Cheers, I did. I wanted you to see Aaron was in the house.
Speaker 1:She's like on autopilot over here. She's doing quotes and everything. Thank you. I don't know what that means we didn't win any birthday game but the great thing I was going to say is that so like the fact that all these shoops are doing all these David Miscavige funny pictures every week and putting up all these funny things about Dave Miscavige on the Internet, you have to ask yourself, Dave, did you pull it in?
Speaker 2:Are you? Are you PTS? Are you a potential trouble source? Are you?
Speaker 1:connected to SPs? Are you? What have you been?
Speaker 2:watching too many Mark and Claire YouTube videos. David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:Carrie Johnson says Claire's mic is a bit loud.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on, I pushed it away, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I love when people pay for tech. I'm sorry. The flaming bison Can't stay for long. Finally caught. You guys live.
Speaker 2:Thanks for joining us the flaming bison I did a bunch of.
Speaker 1:I've done a bunch of work for museums that have bison them and I never saw any. There you go, and something new. Sarah E says Mark, have you ever been in radio? You are better than some of the best I worked with in major markets. Well, I thank you, sarah. I really appreciate that. I don't always try to turn on my radio voice, but when I do.
Speaker 2:I turn it on for you. Humble much honey, denver.
Speaker 1:Stevo. Thank you, Denver. Stevo. One, Claire, be careful, there's a wild animal behind you. Two, Mark what is it like to know that all the awesome ex-Scientologists come to your stream on Friday nights?
Speaker 1:I love it and also Denver Steve-O. I love it how the current Scientologists come to my stream on Friday nights. Yeah, we have again. I don't know this, but there are Scientologists in here right now watching this video, like people that are and good for them In Scientology. They're still involved in scientology, whether their moms, uh, going to the org, or they're going to the org, or their brother or their sister, and they're trying to find out, because scientology will not answer their questions and scientology will not, um, tell them what's happening. They just basically lie to their members full time. They tell them they're expanding, everything's awesome, everything's wonderful, and it is absolutely not. It is the exact opposite. They're closing down Scientology organizations. They're losing people. They're losing. The only thing they have is a bunch of real estate. That's really. And they don't even have that many members If it's 35,000, that's a high estimate and they're just losing more and more members every year.
Speaker 1:So if you're in here and you need help getting out or you need a place to go or a safe, even if some of these Scientologists, they don't need anything. They're, they're well to do, they're good, but they need somebody to talk to. Just if you need somebody to talk to get out. Go to the aftermathfoundationorg. We've got volunteers that can talk as well. We've got we have ex-Scientologists that have volunteered to talk to current Scientologists, that have volunteered to talk to current Scientologists and help them kind of figure out what's what happened to them and what where they're at, and all that good stuff. So even if you don't need help like getting your feet back on the ground and getting your life together and just need somebody to talk to hit us up over the aftermath, we'll help you out.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Such as being gay or a murderer. Well, tone one one is covert hostility. That's the actual name of 1.1 on the tone scale. It has all these things all the way from body death to covert hostility, to enthusiasm, cheerfulness, and all the way up to I think it's exhilaration, or what's the top serenity of beingness is the top of being.
Speaker 2:It goes from 40.0 at the top to minus 40 at the bottom, and zero is body death.
Speaker 1:Just in case anybody's watching. I just took about 60. Basically, it's just now. I took a chug Such as being does that person come back every lifetime as tone one one things? Oh no, the tone scale is sort of like. It's sort of like a it's about you can be, you can be, I can be, or tomorrow I can be like. Oh man, I hate this and that's anger. Anger is 2.0, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anger is above covert hostility, anger is above that. And they have all. L Ron Hubbard has all these theories Like if you want to bring somebody uptone, like if you meet up with somebody who's 1-1 and you want to bring them uptone, if you're whatever the tone is right above them, if you use that tone with them, it'll kind of bump them up to that tone. And vice versa, if you meet somebody in their tone one one, and you go below them, that'll bring them down tone anyway and they, and they actually make you practice that too, like they have drills yeah, you do tone scale
Speaker 1:it's called. Yeah, there's a whole film with that I at Golden Era Productions called the Tone Scale film and we demonstrate every single tone, a visual representation of it. And then that film was also made into another film called the Drill the Tone Scale Drill film. And you have to guess the tone. So they show the tone but they don't tell you. And you have to guess the tone. So they show the tone but they don't tell you. And you have to guess it. And if you can guess all the tones in the whole movie let's say it's like 20 minutes long or 15 minutes long If you can guess all the tones then you're good. But if you miss a tone you have to do the whole film all over again until you can get them off long asleep. Good question, ron. I don't think anyone's ever asked that question. I do like new questions, that's. That's a fun thing. We do get a lot of repeats because not all the same people are here every week.
Speaker 1:I understand that I used to get kind of a little snippy about that. I used I wasn't one one. I don't know what the tone would be. Is there like a annoying? Is there a tone, annoying or annoyance, or?
Speaker 2:easily irritated.
Speaker 1:I don know. Anyway, I used to get irritated, but I get it. Uh, moni 69 says congratulations to you both for getting over 20 000.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, thank you, thank you um, yeah, you know I'm gonna float something. Right now I've got to go on a project. I go every depends on how busy I am, but every few months I usually go for a week or two and I do a project out of state and I was thinking about bringing a camera and bringing a microphone and bringing a whole bunch of stuff. I'm thinking let Claire do a few lives before I go, see how she does, and just let her be the host of the blow for good channel. She can do this on her own. She can have Do Q and A's. If you guys think that's a good idea, get down there in the comments and let us know.
Speaker 2:I promise I'll let you come on as a guest honey.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate that very much, captain elf. Thank you very much. Uh, captain elf, thank you. I understand pre-ots thinking sps are wrong, but if sps say secret info to someone high on the bridge, why wouldn't they think sps info is right in general?
Speaker 2:um, they would, they would, but the thing is is that an ot is not going to listen to an SP period? They just have a brick wall that comes down. It's not about that, it's more about they just shut off all communication, despite the fact that they claim to be able to confront and shatter suppression. By practice they don't do anything of the sort.
Speaker 1:Scientology is a study in dichotomies. They say communication is the universal solvent. But don't talk to these people. They say if you are connected to SPs, everything is going to go horrible. But everything is going horrible and they're not connected to SPs, so it's it's kind of like um a good. My rule of thumb is whatever they say to do, do the opposite of that and you'll be good. Oh man, there's Bella drink. Thanks, bella man. I just had a big drink too already. I just had a big drink too already. My Ms Palo says love you guys Q and a. Love you guys Live. Q and A's would love to see Claire come to Mondays live with the three Amigas. Yeah, I'm, I don't know this, I don't know how many. It's already a little crowded with the three of us, just in terms of you know people is J D L J L D is being here. People get on me about interrupting Claire. I interrupt Mike and Mark. Mike and Mark, mark and Aaron. What are those guys' names?
Speaker 2:Aaron.
Speaker 1:Aaron and Mike, bill, bill and Tony. I internet Bill and Tony. On Mondays I interrupt Mike and Aaron a lot too. I'm just, I'm a type A personality. I think that might just be it and I just have bad manners and conversational manners. T Dalton, is there any Hubbard still in Scientology, like descendants of LRH? There's one. There's just one left L Ron Hubbard. Did he have five kids, four or five? He had Quentin, five or six, I can't remember Diana Quentin.
Speaker 2:Diana Arthur.
Speaker 1:Suzette Ron Jr.
Speaker 2:Ron Jr, so five. Yeah, it was Ron, and.
Speaker 1:Quentin, yeah, he had five. There's only one left in scientology and that's diana. And diana worked at the base with us and david miscavige treats her horribly, like yeah, if you witnessed one single conversation that david miscavige had with Diana, you would think how is Diana not crying? And how is David Miscavige, how is he allowed to do that? Like he calls her the black widow, backstabber, evil, witch. He's just oh, I mean I want to say she was treated verbally treated maybe worse than 98% of everybody else there. He really just treated her horribly and also her daughter used to be there as well. Her daughter used to work at the base with us and her job she was a steward for RTC used to be there as well. Her daughter used to work at the base with us and her her job. She was a steward for RTC, so she was the one who did David Miscavige's laundry. So he's yelling at the mom and he has the daughter doing his laundry Like that was her job.
Speaker 1:Her post was to do his laundry, so to be fair, she also did Claire's laundry too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not by our choice, though she like locked our dog. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But that was her post, but she was the steward for Religious Technology Center, so but she, I mean, I don't think she did our laundry, though I think she did. She do your laundry, claire. Um, no, no, I think she just walked our dog and fed the dog and did stuff like that. She helped us out with some stuff.
Speaker 2:She's the only reason our dog survived after we escaped. That's right, and I'm really good friends with her to this day, so, um, so yeah she's great Rowan.
Speaker 1:her name is roanne, if you're watching roanne love you, roanne, okay okay, so I think we answered that question. Uh, gary morehead, you know I'm gonna, I'm gonna have to block. I'm gonna block you, gary, if you keep giving us super chats don't put him in time out.
Speaker 2:He's a good guy.
Speaker 1:Come on, honey, just get over it yeah, david pearson says mark and claire, you two are so awesome. I'm glad you're clear of this cult, so glad you've been able to go on and have happy lights. Yeah, so are we, david. Thank you very much for that. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know um, a lot of people I've seen in the comments.
Speaker 1:People are like these guys are way too happy to be talking about this horrible stuff. And the thing I want to um, the thing I want to say is um, I'm excited that I'm not there anymore and that excitement is has to, just haven't worn, hasn worn off yet. I mean, we escaped in 2005 and I'm still. I'm still excited about the project um and I also am excited by encouragement from people and I'm also excited that we're able to help other people leave and I'm also excited that somehow, some way and this is a bizarre thing that these videos are helping people to just say you know what? These guys don't seem like they're doing too bad. These guys don't seem like they're sad. These guys don't seem like they're suppressive persons and then they go. You know what? I think I'm going to leave, so I'm not putting on a show for you guys.
Speaker 1:Anybody who knows me, anybody who knows me when I worked at that place and anybody who knows me now. I'm pretty much the same guy. I'm a teeny, eensy bit smarter than I was when I was there. I have a little bit more life experience, but for the most part I'm the same person, for you know, generally. But yeah, I'm glad we're out of there too. Denonymous. Does this seem right?
Speaker 1:I think DM has run the Church of Scientology into a financial ditch with the ideal org stuff maxed out the donors and tied it all up. I don't know that they're in a financial ditch, they could just live off their interest for a while, but the thing that they are hurting on is they're losing Sea Org members, they're losing staff members and they're losing just members. So, and a lot of people don't understand, like there's poor Scientologists and there's rich Scientologists. And I was thinking about this when Aaron did that Aaron Smith-Levin on Growing Up in Scientology YouTube channel, he did a video where he kind of talked. He laid out all the statistics of all the different numbers of staff numbers, of public numbers, of Sea Org members, and if you basically look at it, if you look at that, and there's about, let's say, there's 35 um total between staff, seawork and members. It's about two to one. So for every seawork member and staff member, um, there's two public. It's, it's, it's that's how it is. There's two public for every staff or CRM member. That's, I think, about what the breakdown is, and there's 25, I don't know what the math is, but let's say there's 25,000 public, a very small portion of maybe 1,000, maybe even 2, 2000 of those are the rich ones and all of the other public are that they think the rich people I think are getting into Scientology is what's making those rich people keep giving over money.
Speaker 1:If the rich people knew that there was the Scientology, membership was dropping and the orgs are shrimping and they're closing orgs and all these things are happening, they probably wouldn't give as much money and the whole thing would sort of fall apart. So you've got all these members that are still in, are kind of propping up this whole system and a lot of those members aren't even active. They're not in organizations doing counseling or training or anything like that. So if all the people that really just weren't doing any Scientology or didn't want to be in it would just leave, then a lot of the big donors would be like, oh my God, people are leaving in droves and then they'd leave and then the whole thing would fall apart. So hopefully that happens sooner than later.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking if Mike starts up a YouTube channel, I think in five years we could call this thing quits and just be like, okay, let's do something else. Yep, that's my thought. Okay, terry Ray, if you guys are still putting comments and we're trying to shut it down, I see there's some super chats coming. I'm going to do those last super chats, but we're calling it. It's 8.07. No more Super Chats. We just can't be here for the whole night. I mean, we've got other drinks to drink. Here's one Growing up in Scientology Hip, hip, hooray, hip hooray. Oh my gosh, hip, hip, hooray. I keep plugging Aaron's channel. He's got like 150,000, 60,000 subscribers. Come on, aaron, you plug mine some more.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to see if we're going to do a live when we go on vacation in March with all of us.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you give out expectations for people, claire. We might have to. I don't know how we're going to do that. Also, it depends on the end at where we go. We might not have it. We'll see. Terry ray says, uh, 10 for you to go to bath and body works and get you something that smells nice.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you love bath and body works. Yeah, you're saying that was an outlet mall right here that was the first place where I got some damn fine smelling perfume.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. Yeah, claire's got all kinds of perfumes and smells and all kinds of stuff. Okay, fallon, I got Fallon. I guess Fallon, yeah Fallon, with all of their vast real estate. If there was ever a natural disaster, a quake, hurricane, etc. Would Scientology be willing to open their doors to help the displaced people? No, no way, no, how you know? That's funny. I was actually watching a video. Not to be sensational or try to freak people out or scare people or set off any alarms, but there is in California. They have fault lines and if there's a major earthquake, depending on where it is, if you're located near or around those fault lines, then something could happen. Near or around those fault lines, then something could happen. Scientology's buildings, like Celebrity Center, the Hollywood Guarantee Building, authored Services, hollywood Inn, a bunch of these different properties they have, they're all like dead bullseye on the fault line that runs through Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Same for one of the buildings in at the base right In Hemet.
Speaker 1:That's right. And there's a. There's a building at the international headquarters that the fault line actually goes right through one of these buildings. And so, yeah, if I don't want anything bad to happen to anybody, I mean I want Scientology to shut down, but I don't want, I don't want anybody to be physically harmed, I just want them to, like, go and reintegrate and not break up families and steal money from elderly people and all the other dastardly stuff they do and, um, you know, cover up and support assaulters and all that other stuff. But yeah, if there's a big earthquake they're going to have problems and they're not going to let people come in, probably because their buildings are going to be on the ground or very badly damaged. They actually had in the Sea Organization, where the Sea Org members live is called Birthing. In the Sea Organization, where the Sea Org members live is called Birthing, and they had a building that was condemned after the Northridge quake in California.
Speaker 1:I don't remember when the Northridge quake was. I think it was in the mid-90s, I want to say 96. I don't remember Whenever the Northridge quake was or whenever there was a real big earthquake. One of their buildings did get condemned and they had to do a whole retrofit and they had to put all these steel bolts through the whole building and all that. And then, yeah, so do that YouTube R-O-L-U-E-C-K. I never understand, uh, youtube r r arlo r r o louis ck I never r o louise k r o louise k.
Speaker 1:I never understand some of these names, dear YouTube, we are adults, we can handle the bad words. I tell you.
Speaker 2:You know, fabian, thank you very much, thank you, fabian, put a question in the next time.
Speaker 1:We'll answer it. Yep? Catherine, I saw Bella. Where is Max?
Speaker 1:Max doesn't need to be locked up with Claire. Bella is the one who just wants to be where Claire really are. Like I said, she's my support dog. Yes, dan Mark, any interesting memories of the Smyth Scientology movie? Yeah, there's a great scene. It did end up in the movie. I do have a video of it, which is amazing, and I'll show it on one of these live streams.
Speaker 1:But I used to do videos and I would do interviews and talk to Tony Ortega on the underground bunker all the time. And when we were shooting Louis, my Scientology movie, there was a scene we had to hike into the Santa Monica Mountains in California and they wanted to show a bunch of people like they were, I guess, in the hole and they all these Sea Org members were running around a tree. Okay, and we were up on top of this mountain and so down below the mountain there were all these Sea Org members running around a tree and then on this other hill, below the mountain, was Tom Cruise and David Miscavige and they were shooting shotguns and like skeet shooting and stuff, and so you see all these Sea Org members running around the tree and then the camera pans over and then you see David Miscavige and Tom Cruise shooting guns and high-fiving and like, oh yeah, fist pumping and doing all this stuff. And I was videoing with my camera. I was videoing all this as they were shooting it and you can hear the director go okay, get ready. And then he goes Hedley, if this ends up on Ortega, you're banned. And then they show the scene. They go action and then they do the whole scene.
Speaker 1:But it was just a funny video. Anyway, that's my story. Okay, I'll show. I'll find the video, we'll put it on. Growing up in Scientology says shout out to Tampa Brad, who is always dropping loads and pearls of wisdom over at Home. Love Construction 10X, x-glam, x-glam, x-glam, x-glam. Oh my gosh. Shout out to Tampa Brad. Tampa Brad. I'm trying to think of what it was. Oh, we did get a bunch of bobblehead pics, so I was telling you guys. Last week we had a ton of David Miscavige shoops which are funny, photoshopped pictures of David Miscavige.
Speaker 2:We have so many so many amazing creativity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people might have gone a little overboard.
Speaker 2:I just can't wait to see the sound effects you put with all of them amazing I'm gonna have to start getting that ready, that video ready on the weekend just to have it ready by uh, tuesday.
Speaker 1:Yeah oh, good job there, good job there. Um, you have to drink if claire's audio stuff train.
Speaker 2:Time for the children to brush their teeth.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you made me lose my train of thought. Oh so there is Gobblehead pics. Yeah, so somebody sent in a picture of Mike Rinder on a couch with some earrings and I think I'm going to say I don't remember because I saw it really quick when it came in, but I want to say there was some undergarments hanging on the couch as well.
Speaker 2:And it was like Mike, will you help me find my?
Speaker 1:earrings. Anyway, this Tampa Blad thing is just never going to end. We all know COB missed the genetic lottery when it comes to stature. Do you think the Elfin Dictator may also be compensating for other shortcomings? I don't know about that. I do know he was very big on the HGH human growth hormone. He was definitely getting a lot of that and taking a lot of that.
Speaker 2:Is it in his stature or did he?
Speaker 1:drink it.
Speaker 2:It was like a little tincture bottle bought in bulk and also all the Dr Schultz tinctures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand that. Do you inject it or do you drink it?
Speaker 2:Oh, you drink it, it's topical.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, there you go. Well, it's topical. It's not an ingesting Oral Oral. Okay, good, thank you. Is not an ingesting oral oral? Okay, good, thank you. Okay, um, gary moore had said I'll fill in for you nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you nice nice yes, gary's awesome.
Speaker 1:I want to do an interview with gary. Uh, ron says responses to the question why seawords treated so badly when scientology has billions. It's all about control and destroying self-worth if scientology paid livable wages and work.
Speaker 2:60 less than 60 hours a week. Most 60 hours. Yeah, that's true you know what?
Speaker 1:that's a good point?
Speaker 2:um, yeah, I mean, we had so many years of sleeping zero to three hours of sleep that our critical thinking capabilities were destroyed. And it would have. I mean, yeah, if we were sleeping and eating and making some money, we would have socked away savings and gotten the hell much sooner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was there. We were there for 15 years. I mean, I was there for 15 years, claire was there for like 13 or 14, almost 14.
Speaker 1:there for 15 years. Claire was there for like 13 or 14, almost 14. Um, we had, like I, when I left, I had like 50, I think, in the bank. Um, like, when I left, somebody who wrote me a check it was actually it was l ron hubbard's granddaughter gave me the money. She, basically she gave me the money that I used to escape with and I ended up. The one of the very first things I did was when the police rescued me on the highway. We oh Bella's running around. When the police rescued me on the highway and got me to U-Haul, I got my bike. My bike was basically damaged. I couldn't drive it, so I put it in a U-Haul and I drove to the airport. On the way to the airport I stopped at a Wells Fargo and I cashed the check that Roanne wrote me and that was how I escaped was with that check from Roanne. So Roanne, basically L Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, financed my escape.
Speaker 2:Didn't you tell her you were going to use it to get me a birthday present or something like that?
Speaker 1:No, no, no. They were trying to make me pay that $250 for the eBay and the shipping fees. Oh, that's right, and I didn't have any money. So I was like, okay, well, I got about 50 bucks. If I get 200 bucks from somebody, then I could just give them the 250 bucks and this whole thing can be over.
Speaker 1:So I went and hit up Roanne. It was like two o'clock in the morning. I literally knocked on her door and I was like hey, rowan, can I borrow 200 bucks? She's whatever. She wrote me a check for 200 bucks and then I went and I said, okay, good, here's 250 bucks. They're like no, you can't give us the money, you're gonna go to the RPF because you're missing 250 dollars of paypal or ebay fees. So here's 250 bucks. They're like, nope, you're going to the rpf. So I was like, okay, well, I got 250 bucks, that's enough money to get the hell out of here. Yep, yeah. And then, um, then, after roanne found out, I she canceled the bank, but I'd already cashed it. I'm sure they made her do it.
Speaker 1:But I mean, my account was like negative 200 bucks the next day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you didn't read that comment.
Speaker 1:Oh, just finished, BFG, amazing. Thank you for sharing your story. Waiting for Claire's now. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Andrea yeah, Claire's supposed to write a. Claire, get on it.
Speaker 1:Thank you, andrea. Yes, claire's supposed to write a book while I'm off doing the project, but now she's going to be hosting the channel, so now she's got double duty. See, I'd unstarred that one. You got to go find that one. I unstarred Super Chat. I'm sorry, do you and Dave, do you?
Speaker 2:think Dave ever loved Shelly did she love him.
Speaker 1:I think they did.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know it's really hard to tell in the Sea Org, because there's never any personal relationships. There's never any. You don't really know anybody, you don't even so. That's why Mike and Mark and I and Aaron, we've become really good friends and we've really got to know each other for the first time, even though we knew each other for decades.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I didn't really know Mike that well, I just knew that he was always getting beat up and yelled at by Dave. I mean, I spent a lot of time like working on events and seeing Mike and all that stuff, but yeah, I knew him better than you did just because he was in RTC for a while. Yeah, and also you crashed into him in a car.
Speaker 2:So no, he crashed into me in a car. I rescued him when he fell off his motorcycle. He'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:Okay, either way, you guys crashed into each other. How about that? Yeah, sure, let's agree that you both have poor driving skills.
Speaker 2:Here we go. Was I supposed to do airlift out of his way? I was stopped.
Speaker 1:Here we go. I found it. Maxwell Edison's mom says has anyone tried throwing some water on dm? He would probably melt like the wicked witch, right, I don't know, but he um, he's not a fan of people messing with him physically, or you know, speaking of water, he used to do that to people all the time flick them with water. Yes, he did didn't he?
Speaker 1:If he had a water bottle he would just go like that, like if you just have an Arrowhead bottle or a Dasani and you just take the tap off and you just go. Yeah, oh we got a drink.
Speaker 1:Claire's buzzing and making noises again. Yeah, so if Claire interrupts the stream with audio or an animal, you got to drink. Okay. Next one, anne says are there any cultural differences between Scientology and different countries? Do they celebrate national holidays or staff get the day off? Can't wait to get my book. Thanks, anne.
Speaker 1:They have Scientology holidays, like I mentioned in an earlier video, where they do like Auditor's Day, dianetics Day, march 13th, the anniversary of L Ron Hubbard's birthday. They have certain holidays, like that Sea Org Day. I don't know, I don't really think they I mean it's sort of a bummer when they have holidays because Sea Org members don't get those days off and org staff don't get those days off. But public I guess it really depends Like public usually go on vacation or they go do something when they have a day off, so they're not coming organization to waste a day studying scientology or getting counseling. Um, yeah, I don't know. I never really worked at an public-facing organization long enough to know what they do on holidays, so I'm not sure what they do, but they definitely don't get the days off. They don't get days off. I mean, in the Sea Org sometimes we wouldn't even get Christmas off or New Year's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes the only way we would celebrate is on Christmas Day. Man, you're so loud, I'm sorry, go ahead. On Christmas Day we would wear plain clothing, normal clothes, instead of uniform. The only way was Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we wouldn't have to wear our uniforms, but we'd still have to work. We wouldn't have to wear our uniforms, but we'd still have to work. For Thanksgiving, we would get a 45-minute meal break instead of a 15-minute meal break and we'd get turkey and we'd get a really nice Thanksgiving dinner. We'd get turkey and mashed potatoes and gravy and cranberry sauce and rolls and we'd get all that and we'd get 45 minutes to eat it. Weren't we lucky? Yeah, that was about it. And some days on Christmas we would get was it like the week before? I can't remember what they do, I think it was the week before Christmas If we were slaying it like if we were really doing good, if the organization that you worked in at the base it varied from organization.
Speaker 1:There was about, I'd say, five or six different organizations that were located at the international headquarters, and so one organization could be doing amazing and doing great, but others wouldn't be. So they'd bus us to this place. It was called Cabazon. It was like an outlet mall in the middle of the desert. Yeah, that's right, and it was called the Cabazon Outlets or something like that. It was like halfway to Palm Springs.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And it was about an hour, say about an hour, maybe 45 minutes from the property, and we'd get like a bonus if we were doing good and we got to go shopping. They'd give us like, okay, guys, you're getting a Christmas bonus, and you'd be like, yes, and it'd be like here's $137.
Speaker 2:And you'd be like Now go buy your presents for Dave and Shelly. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, well, no, because you'd have to give some money. You'd have to give like 10 bucks or 1515. Or if you were in an organization that was higher and there was less people, you have to give like $100 or $200 towards a present to buy for Dave or Shelly. But if you were in Golden Era, there was like 300, 400 people in Golden Era, so everybody would just put in $5 or $10. But the rest of the money that was to buy your entire family Christmas presents and you'd be like, yeah, I don't think so. Mom, dad, none of us are getting presents, you're all getting cards and Claire and I are getting a comforter or you know whatever it was that we wanted. We would just go buy that for ourselves and be like Merry Christmas to me.
Speaker 2:Remember they used to make us do family photos. So they'd say since you can't buy presents for your family, we're going to set up a photographer and you can just do a nice staged Christmas photo in front of a Christmas tree and send that to your family as a like. Gloss it over, everything's wonderful quote unquote.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know the best picture. We should put that up. Claire. We have a bunch of these, claire, and I have a bunch of these over the years and in one of the pictures, uh, claire was not allowed to eat in the. She was in religious technology. She was at the top of this. She was in religious technology. She was at the top of this. She was in, like religious religious technology center but she wasn't allowed to eat with the other religious technology, with the other RTC people, and she had to eat by the dumpsters. So she just didn't eat. She would just eat like protein bars or whatever. I think he weighed like a buck five at that time. It was some. I can pick her up like standing in front of her. I could pick her up like standing in front of her. I could pick her up right away and just go like that she was.
Speaker 2:She was a hundred pounds and add to that that when we took that photo I think two hours of sleep, so I look like 30 years older than I actually was. It's awful. Like to this day I look at that picture and it just ugh.
Speaker 1:Like to this day I look at that picture and it just well. But the best part is they basic, they I'm going to just take a sip for that they, they use those pictures. Claire and I sued Scientology for back wages and human trafficking and all these different things and we lost because they hung the whole lawsuit on the human trafficking and they basically threw out all the other causes of action. There was another case that kept those and Scientology ended up settling with those people and wrote them a check. But in our case we lost.
Speaker 1:But one of the things they showed in the lawsuit as evidence were all these family pictures that we took over the years about how happy we were. Because look at us, we have a picture and we're smiling and everything. But that was literally the purpose of the picture is show your families how well you're doing and how happy you are Now, stand in front of the Christmas tree and smile, and then we take a picture, yeah, and then they pre-prose, not to mention the fact yeah, not to mention the fact that we did those during our 30-minute dinner break yeah, oh yeah, you had to do that.
Speaker 1:You had. Well, yeah, that's if you, if we had a 30-minute meal break, um, if we had 15-minute meal breaks or whatever. But I think they gave you some time to get your picture taken, even if you had to go there after muster, you could walk in there and the photographer would take your picture. Okay, we answered the hell out of that question. Thank you very much. Okay, it is almost 8.30. We're going to do the last of these ones here. Wait, you owned a dog while on the base? Yes, because Claire was in Religious Technology Center. We got a few extra little perks that other people didn't get, and one of those is that we had a dog. Now, we lived in a house that was right next to the property and it was on a road called sub road, and there was a golf course that Scientology owned that was right next to the property and our houses were located along that golf course, and we didn't. I, I'm going to say in the 15 years that we were at the base, I never once golfed on that golf course, never once.
Speaker 2:No me neither.
Speaker 1:I never went out there and hit a few balls, but we lived on a golf course and our dog, we had a backyard and our dog lived in the backyard and he was at the house all day by himself and we would leave in the morning. I would go there for lunch and I would go there for dinner. And we would leave in the morning. I would go there for lunch and I would go there for dinner. I would just drive my motorcycle to my house, I would pet him, feed him, make sure he was all good, and then drive back and then I would do the same thing at dinner. So I didn't really eat that much. I just grabbed some people. I'm going to blow some people's minds here.
Speaker 1:I would eat ramen and some people say, oh yeah, so ramen, so not so bad. Yeah, not with water. I would just take the ramen out of the packet and sprinkle the packet on the noodles and just as I was driving my motorcycle to go to the dog, I would just eat the ramen, just like that, just hard, with the, with the seasoning packet on it, and that was my lunch and usually that was my dinner, and sometimes I would cook it up at the house, or you know, put some salsa and some corn and some peas and, you know, mix it up with me, throw an egg in there. But yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what happened when we blew and his name was Jupiter, he was a Dalmatian. We grew up with Dalmatians, so how we ended up with a Dalmatian is my parents gave me a puppy and we actually kind of smuggled it in originally, but then, because I was in RTC, then we got away with it because Mark, as I have said previously, was always a rebel. But it was really sad. The night before I escaped I was crying. I said, jupiter, I'm really sorry, I have to go, you're going to be OK. It was heartbreaking.
Speaker 1:It was the hardest part.
Speaker 2:We did get him back.
Speaker 1:We did get him back, like three months later.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And, and he was a white Dalmatian with black spots, and when I picked him up you could not tell that he was a Dalmatian. He was so dark, like grayish black, because they just let him, they just basically Rowan, at least fed him, but nobody watched him, nobody did anything, and so the first thing I did when I got him I got him Riverside, I met the Scientology security guards I rented is this in my book the Penske truck.
Speaker 2:No, because this is after.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, this is way after. This is all after. This is what you had allocated for book two yeah.
Speaker 1:I got to tell that story sometime. Anyway, on the way to Kansas City from California, I stopped in Las Vegas and I told Claire I said get me a hotel that's somewhere way off the strip in the middle of nowhere, Because I'm going to give this dog a hat and it took me probably two hours to get him white and and he was so happy he could look after that with us. But yeah, we did have a dog. Thank you, downtone Abbey. Thank you, I get it, downtone Abbey.
Speaker 2:Downton Abbey, that's good, that's good. Yeah, I get it Downtone, downton. That's good, that's good yeah.
Speaker 1:I like that one. You know what, if I could give a super chat back, I'd give a super chat back for Downton Abbey. Aaron says so, mark goes either way and Mike exclaims whatever, blah, blah, blah. Yes, and mine is no worries, no worries. Okay, that's what.
Speaker 1:I say here we go. This is the last one, folks, it is 834. This is the last question we're going to take and we have to just jump off so fast. And here's the last one. It's from Denver Stevo. Denver Stevo says can I have the last Super Chat? Whoa, what are the chances? Denver Stevo, of course you can have the last Super Chat. You can have the last chat period. Yeah, there you go. So thank you guys. Thanks for tuning in, thank you for everybody who watched all the way through and, yeah, until next time. Thanks for watching.
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