Welcome to the Blown for Good podcast. My name is Mark Hedley and we have gotten a lot of requests from listeners to do a Q&A series on Scientology for the podcast, so that's exactly what we've done. We've done a lot of Q&As over the past year or two and we've assembled these Q&As into podcasts and that's what you're going to hear now. So thank you very much for listening, and here is Scientology Q&A.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Welcome, welcome. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, we've got Claire here tonight, guys, and tonight we are going to do. We're going to do three things we're going to do, first of all, we're going to do David Miscavige Shoops of the Week, because we've got an amazing amount of them, and then we are going to announce the winner. Actually, first off, we're going to announce the winner of last week's bobblehead or not bobblehead. We're going to announce last week's Shoop of the Week, and then we're going to show the new David Miscavige Shoops of the Weeks and then we're going to show bobblehead picks. Is that right, claire? Did I get that right?
Speaker 2:Yes, you did.
Speaker 1:I don't have. Why don't you answer a few questions real quick, claire?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then I'm going to duck out real quick and get the. I don't have last week's picture in here, so I'm going to add that real quick and then I'll pop back in. Can you do that?
Speaker 2:Yep, that sounds good.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's see how this works. Claire's on her own.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome, welcome everybody.
Speaker 2:Thanks for joining us. So let's see here. We'll get started with some questions. Let's see here. Thanks for your patience. It's been a bit of a rough week to start with and I'm still recovering from the lives we did this weekend. Well, let's see here. I'll just go ahead and say RV at the beach, got my SB bracelet today. Yay, thanks for your order. I'm glad you got your order. That was for me. So thank you, thank you. All right, let's see here. I'll give a shout out to the people that I see from different countries. We have Germany in the house. Brazil, denmark Welcome Maryland from the USA. British Columbia oh, this is amazing. Thanks for joining us. West Virginia, virginia, amazing. Hello. From the UK, hello, hello. And let's see here. And let's see here.
Speaker 2:I will be starting some interviews, starting actually tomorrow. I'm thinking of doing Women on Wednesdays or something like that. We'll see. Tell me what you think about that idea. But we'll do some follow-up with some people that the After foundation has helped and then we'll start interviewing some exes, um, getting updates, stories, all kinds of good stuff coming up. So we have that to look forward to. And let's see here. My goodness, yeah, we had so many shoop submissions this week, mark and I have been scrambling to get it all together, so if we missed you, my apologies. We'll catch it next week. We had a lot of great, great content. Um, all right, let's see here. Welcome back, honey.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you take care of it. Is it all done? Can I go? Can I go home now?
Speaker 2:Yeah now. Yeah, you can. I didn't do a great job on marking questions. No, you can't go home, you have to stay here, I'm sorry, I'm not ready for that yet okay.
Speaker 1:So we did, uh, last week we did a davy, miscavige shoops of the week and we had you guys, um, oh, these questions, okay, we had these. Um, we had everybody vote in the comments, uh, which one they like the best. And we even cut a separate video of just the shoops of the week, just by themselves, and people voted on that video as well, and the one that won everything was this one right here. It was OT16, dave, and this one won by a landslide. So whoever submitted this one we're going to send you, we'll answer your email or whatever and say you won and you can get an SP bracelet or a Blow for Good book or whatever you want.
Speaker 2:Or a bobblehead.
Speaker 1:Or a bobblehead, yeah, whatever you want. Or bobblehead or bobblehead, yeah, whatever you need. Um, and uh, yeah, so that's the winner. Ot16 dave is the winner. Um, okay then. Uh, real quick, last night I did a live with uh mike rinder and we announced we had some more of his books that were signed in the SP shop, and I think there's like 10 or 15 of those left. So if you didn't get one and you want one, then you can get one of those in the SP shop. And yeah, there's only that many left, and this is the last time we're going to have them on the SP shop after this, just because there's a lot of logistics to move these books all over the United States. So we're just going to—.
Speaker 2:Done by yours truly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, claire's going to logistically move boxes and boxes and it's a lot of stuff. It's great, but we're not going to do it anymore. It's too much work. Okay, so let's get to the matter at hand. Okay, so we're not going to do sound effects.
Speaker 1:There's so many that of these shoops that were sent in that, um, we're not doing sound effects. We're going to have to get through these, like we're going to have to go fast. So, um, if you want, you can freeze if you want to get a closer look at these things, but I'm going to put as big as we can put them and, um, here it is okay. So these are the davy, miscavige shoops of the week. Okay, this is a good one.
Speaker 1:I like I, this was, this is one. There's a lot of really good ones, but this one kind of worked to be able to make it as the thumbnail because it had a lot of space at the bottom. But you've got Elrond, I think that's Shelly, and then that's like a little baby Shaggy, dave, and then I'm not sure who Is it Velma or Thelma? I'm not sure who that is. That is not the actual gal that it's supposed to be. But if you were the one that did this Shoop and there's some kind of Easter egg I'm missing. I did see the culty cruiser, which is the name of the whatever they call that the mystery mobile, but I'm not sure who Velma is supposed to be.
Speaker 2:Somebody in the comments said maybe it was supposed to be Marty.
Speaker 1:Oh, but it's Marty with Velma's glasses, nice touch.
Speaker 2:Nice touch. I don't know, I don't know, I mean, that's a good guess, I think.
Speaker 1:Well, whatever We'll say, it's Marty. What's he going to do? Do another video about us? Come on, and talk about it.
Speaker 2:Come right ahead. Whatever We'll call it, We'll say it's Marty.
Speaker 1:What's he going to do?
Speaker 2:Do another video about us. Come on and talk about it. Come right ahead, Marty.
Speaker 1:OK, so let's do the next. The next one is oh, this is not even I guess. I guess that's supposed to be Dave, like a little baby Vader Dave. And then that's Mike Rinder as a Jedi. Okay, so we'll call this one Davey Vader, Davey Vader. We've got to keep the names so people know what they call it. So let's call that one Davey Vader. We don't even really have titles for these so many, so, last minute. So that's Davey Vader, baby Davey Vader. This one. We'll call this one Dave's Cruise Club or Dave's Cruise Boys or whatever. I'm not real. Oh, I guess it's just him off to the side and these guys just happen to be there with him. He really should pick a better cruise outfit, that's not? I mean, I've been on a few cruises but I've never seen anybody dress like that on the cruise.
Speaker 2:So he's going to get hot. This one should be called Cruise Director Dave.
Speaker 1:Cruise Director Dave, that's a great idea. Cruise Director Dave OK, and that's one of his favorite cruises that he likes to go on. Dave, that's a great idea. Cruise director Dave Okay, and that's one of his favorite cruises that he likes to go on. This one is without hair plugs, dave. So, yeah, he's rocking a Kojak kind of look there. Yeah, that's a bit jarring to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1:We'll call that yeah, that's Without Hair Plugs, dave, and then this one. Okay, so I guess these are Zinumpalumpa. There you go.
Speaker 2:Zinumpalumpa okay.
Speaker 1:And then there's Dave and there's Tommy Boy with him. Now I think there were some alternates of this one, so that's Zanumpa Loompa and then this one. It's a different one, but it's got Marty and Dave, so that's like Zanumpa Loompa B. We'll call the other one Zanumpa Loompa A and Zalumpa Loompa B, or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2:There you go. Nice touch with the matching eyebrows and hair there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they really do. I mean, obviously they've had the Glam Squad do a number on them before they took the pick. This one is I guess it's Donald Duck, dave or whatever the older duck, the grandfather, the rich duck Was it Uncle Duck or Grandpa Duck? But that's a picture of Dave sitting on some bags of money and he's in L Ron Hubbard's office on the Apollo, the old cruise ship from the Sea Org from long ago. Oh yeah, duck McScrooge I think his name was right, scrooge McDuck there you go?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 1:Scrooge McDuck. Thank you for the comments, uncle Scrooge Scrooge McDuck. I knew I was in the right ballpark there, so that's Scrooge McDave, scrooge McDave. There we go. Okay, scrooge McDave, and this is the 3'10 to Yuma.
Speaker 2:And I like the Golden Era Productions presents yes.
Speaker 1:Golden Era Produ productions presents the three foot ten to yuma. I like this one. Um, I would have used this one as the thumbnail, but it was had text everywhere on it, so there's no more real estate left for me, but, um, I do like this one. I am, I do fancy this one as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is one of my favorites, okay and then, and then this one is Beetle Dave. Beetlejuice 2, dave Drops His Body. Okay, so, yes, there we go. So Beetlejuice Dave Okay, there's Dave in the middle, and then this little tiny head guy, and then I don't know what you call that, like a witch doctor or some kind of dude hanging out with Dave there. This is Dave's crew.
Speaker 2:OK, this.
Speaker 1:I think this is from Lord. This is from one of these Lord of the Rings I think. I think that is Bilbo Davins Bilbo Davins here, or Davo Baggins Davo Baggins which one do you guys like? Bilbo Davins or Davin Baggins? But this is, I mean, it's not a lot happening here, but it's a quality Photoshop job in my opinion, because you can't really tell it's Photoshop. That looks really real. I mean, I'm looking at it on a pretty small screen, but it looks pretty convincing to me. I'd buy it. I'd buy it.
Speaker 2:I'd go for it Pretty solid.
Speaker 1:Davey Baggins. That's Davey Baggins. You've got to remember which ones you like folks, because you got to vote. You got to go down there and vote for these things when they're all done. Now, this one, I know what it is. It's from a movie. It's like a Nazi era movie and they've taken Dave and just put him on there. It just looks like it could be Dave from just a Dave picture. So okay, but I get it. You put it on. You put it, he put him.
Speaker 2:Somebody put dave's face on uh adolf and uh snuck it into here so what's funny about this is it's actually representative of so many meetings we attended with oh yeah, the people standing in the background oh yeah, no, dave.
Speaker 1:Dave puts, uh, that movie to shame. Okay, now this one. This is Ewok Dave, and this is that's obviously. That's Princess Leia, and this is from Return of the Jedi. Somebody help me out here. Star Wars geeks activate, but I'm pretty sure this is Return of the Jedi and that is. I can't remember the main Ewoks name. Now it's been a while. I think that movie came out. All of the Star Wars movies would almost invariably come out on my birthday, so I'd always get. If it did come out, I'd go see it on my birthday and we'd go to Man's Chinese in Hollywood. That was before I was in the Sea Org, but I did see this movie at Manage Chinese in. I want to say it was in the 80s sometime. And yeah, that is Ewok.
Speaker 2:We weren't watching many movies in the Cadet Org, unfortunately, so I'm not much help Wicket. Wicket is his name. Oh, there we go okay awesome.
Speaker 1:So this is uh ewok dave, or you could call it uh ewok dave's. Good enough, we got I don't know how we're going to remember all these from all the way back to 1983. Okay, now this one I want, and this is one of the guys that announces the. He's probably the Lollipop Guild. Is that what they?
Speaker 2:are yeah, there we go, that's it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to go hard either way, but that looks like Wizard of Oz to me and that is one of the Munchkins or the Lollipop Guild, so we'll just call that Lollipop Dave. There's going to be a lot of those. He really gets a lot of Wizard of Oz Munchkin. Okay, now this one. It looks like there's a picture of L Ron up on the back there. You got Danny Masterson in some sort of clown outfit. Dave's on a big wheel Very nice Big wheel is probably just about the right size for him. There's an E-meter on the ground and then Tom's got some Mickey Mouse ears on and there is a picture of John Travolta from Perfect. There's a movie he did called Perfect with Jamie Lee Curtis, and I think there's a poster of him in the background there. There might be other Easter eggs. There's some L Ron Hubbard books and lectures. Looks like there's some bottles, some milk bottles for Dave. A lot of good stuff. Even his little shoes look like they. Oh no, that's the thing. It looked like they had lifts in his shoes. So we'll just call this Dave and the Gang. But yeah, there is a lot of detail in there.
Speaker 1:Okay, now this one is the Web of Lies, dave and his Web of Lies. And there's Mike, there's Web of Lies. There's Dave in the middle, soci pariah web of lies, okay. So that's Dave and the web of lies. Uh yeah, okay, good. And then the next one is mission impossible service day. So this is David Miscavige, um, running from some process servers and, um, he looks like, well, that's Dave's face on Tom's face. So Dave and Tom did a little face-off action and that's Mission Impossible's service day, dave, okay. And then the next one is Dave's Cone of Silence. And then he's in there with L Ron and they've got some crazy books that they're showing off.
Speaker 1:So that's dave's cone of silence nice and um, yeah, they've got like these plexiglass things above, so no one can hear them yep um, and I think that's from get smart.
Speaker 1:That was from the get smart uh tv shoot tv series. And this is rain dave. This is Tom, and he's walking with his little brother or his older brother, I don't know what the difference was, oops, I skipped ahead. But yeah, he's my main man. Vern Dave's saying my main man Vern, my main man, vern, main man Vern, bbds, bbds, bbds. Okay, this is Snake Oil Dave. This is actually a pretty good one too. That's a decent Photoshop job. Yep, definitely, head is a little maybe out of proportion, but I'm not going to nitpick it. Snake Oil, dave. And then, okay, this is the Colty Cruers.
Speaker 1:So this is the one I used for the? Uh the cover. And that's little Dave, little shaggy Dave in the middle, and, um, it looks like he's smoking a doobie, uh. And then you got Shelly next to him in the uh, in the skirt there. And then you got Velma, slash Marty, I guess, or whoever. And then you got L Ron, and even L Ron's got a little beer belly there too Just notice that. And he is rocking the bell bottoms too. L Ron's rocking the bell bottoms, which is his style. That's really his style. I like that. That's a good one, okay, that's the Colty Cruiser, or you can call it Shaggy, dave, we'll know which one you're talking about. Okay, now this one is these are Oompa Loompas, so these are from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and you can see this one up front in the bottom right. That's a dead ringer for Dave, right there, and that is a good Photoshop job. I like that one, okay, dave, and he's there with what's the guy's name, willy Wonka. Willy Wonka and the other Loompas, the other Oompas and the Loompas.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's Oompa Loompa. We'll just call that one Oompa Loompa, dave 3, I guess so many Oompa Loompas.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of inspiration from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 1:Evidently, yeah, a lot of people, when they think of Dave Miscavige, they think of Oompa Loompas. That's just how it works. That's what your mind goes.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And okay, good, so there you go. That's David Miscavige as an Oompa Loompa. Number three Okay, this is I Just Made a Darth Doody. Okay, well, I mean, that's not really Photoshop, guys. Claire, come on, somebody can't just take a picture and send it to you. There's no relation to Dave whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I wasn't going to be cutting, unless you told me to cut honey.
Speaker 1:Okay, this one is another little baby, vader, dave, and it says ready to apologize, leah, and cut the BS. Dave, where's Shelly? Okay, okay, that's a Darth Davey three. Okay, now this one I was very conflicted on. Okay, now, normally I probably.
Speaker 1:There were other little people, ones that were sent in I'm not sure what you call them, little persons, little people and I didn't include those. The reason I did include this one is because these guys are celebrating and they are actually promoting something and we might be a new sponsor for these guys. We're going to check that out. But if you see this gal right next to Dave in the middle here, she has a shirt that says MWF and that sign that stands for the. It doesn't stand what you think it stands for. It stands for the Micro Wrestling Federation and this is a real thing and I put a link in the description and I think Dave's been moonlighting with these guys doing shows and you can go to the Micro Wrestling Foundation and check it out. But we're basically giving them a free plug here. And this is the Micro Wrestling Foundation and there's Dave right in the middle, the shirtless one that's Dave Miscavige, if you couldn't tell. And, yeah, they're celebrating. So I'm going to go with it. I'm going to roll with it.
Speaker 1:They didn't accidentally end up in this picture. This is a photo shoot. So they're doing it and I think they like to be called little people now I think that's the actual preferred nomenclature. So, um, and they have. They're part of a wrestling foundation, uh federation, called the micro wrestling, is it federation? I think it's the micro wrestling federation. Okay, now, I'm not sure how I get roped into this and how aaron and mike get roped this, but we don't want a little Davey baby. So this is three men and a Davey baby and we don't want him. I don't know, I don't remember the plot of that movie. I'm pretty sure it had John Travolta and Kirstie Alley in it and I think Bruce Willis played the voice of the baby, played the voice of the baby. But, yeah, I'm not raising a little baby Davey and I'm certainly not going to raise it with Aaron and Mike, because we all live in different parts of the country, so I'm not looking for any long distance relationships, especially with a little Davey baby involved.
Speaker 2:This one might be a tad more plausible if he were screaming and crying.
Speaker 1:That's true. He's very happy and we're all happy to have him. So it's doesn't? It's? It's too much.
Speaker 1:I can't suspend belief enough to buy into this one, but it is a funny picture, so I accepted it. I will allow it. I will allow it. Ok, I accepted it. I will allow it. I will allow it. Okay, and oh, yeah, you know what Somebody just reminded me, I'm sorry, I'm thinking of three men and a baby, and the movie that I was talking about was Look who's Talking, and that's the one with Kirstie and John, and the baby talks, and it's Bruce Willis.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is Three Men and a Baby. That's Tom Selleck, steve Guttenberg and somebody, help me out, who's that? Who's that other one? There was a third guy, remember Tom Selleck and Steve Guttenberg, right, I don't remember that other third dude, but it's all good. Different movie, you're right. Comment people. You're right, I mixed that one up. Um, okay, now I don't know if this has been photoshopped or not. It looks just like a regular picture. There is this weird symbol on the back that I don't know if that's real, so this may have just been another picture somebody sent in and claire just passed it right on up the line no, no.
Speaker 2:The thing is, you have to examine the rug behind him and then you see that it's made to look like he's kneeling on the floor for perspective. It's a perspective shot, that's all it's just like the original.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm confused. Okay, now, this one I do take slight offense to, because this guy's got a better body than me. And then you put a dave picture on it and then he's wearing a bahamut banana hammock at the beach. It looks like a tuxedo or something. So I'm not sure exactly what to do with this one, but that's Dave at the beach. And also, it's not landscape, it's portrait. I don't know how many times I got to say if you want to send them in, make them landscape. But Claire, put it in there, so it's in there, landscape. But claire, put it in there, so it's in there.
Speaker 1:Um, this one is very weird too. I'm not sure what movie this is from. That's kind of spooky, but that's dave at a mic and he's I think it's saw. Is that movie? The move from the movie saw? I'm not a big horror movie guy, so, yeah, okay, now this one. We talked about this movie last week on a live with Mike and Aaron, and this is John Travolta getting cozy with a gal that I think is supposed to be John Travolta in the movie Hairspray, and they put Dave on the hairspray person's face and then John's getting fresh with her. So we'll call that one hairspray, dave. I guess that one's a little rough too for me to look at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry for the people who are commenting on their eyes being scorched here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Somebody says I sent an AI portrait from my phone. I can't do landscape. Yeah, just turn your phone the other way and then it's landscape. That's how phones work. Okay, now this one is from Battlefield Earth and that's Tron Travolta, and I think this was played either by Kelly Preston or Forrest Whitaker. And then they've stuck Dave's face on there and I think he's drinking some Curbango or whatever the drink is they drink in that movie and yeah, so that's Battlefield Dave. Okay, now this one is just Dave, with Xenu hanging out at the complex, hanging out at that big blue building Scientology has in Hollywood. So we'll just call this one Dave and Xenu.
Speaker 2:There you go, that works.
Speaker 1:We're almost done, folks. There are so many of these things. This is Dave Miscavige, international man of mystery. This is Dave Miscavige, international man of mystery, and he's got his head on Austin Powers there. There you go. That's Dave Miscavige, international man of mystery. Another, another.
Speaker 2:Is that an Oompa Loompa, or is that the Lollipop Guild? I think we're back to the Lollipop Guild here, okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I get the Lollipop Guild and the Oompa Loompas mixed up, but I'm definitely seeing a little bit of Marty in that the one on the left and then the one on the right is a dead ringer for Dave. Yep. So we'll call that Lollipop Dave number two. And then, okay, lollipop Dave number two. And then okay, now this one is.
Speaker 1:There used to be a doll out when I was a kid, let's say in the 80s, maybe in the early 90s. It was called my Little Buddy, and that's my Little Buddy, dave, my Little Davey. So yeah, that's my Little Davey. I think this is supposed to be a Lord of the Flies reference, that's all I'm guessing, or that he's just small, or both. So that's Dave with the flying.
Speaker 1:We did have some requests from Mike a few weeks ago to get some Dave Miscavige with some Mickey Mouse here. So those are still coming in. That's Mickey Mouse Dave no 1. And then this is Mickey Mouse Dave no 2 at the podium, and then he's just got some Obey Zinu stickers on the sides of him and I guess he's opening an org in Italy. I'm not sure where they are. I think that was the Madrid opening or the Spain opening. I'm not sure where they are. I don't know what this is all about. I grew up at a cult, so I don't know what those colors are supposed to be. Okay, this is a book from Dave called my $1 Billion. Thanks to Lost Anonymous Publisher. My Escape from being Served as the Highest Ranking Scientologist, minnie Miscavenger.
Speaker 2:Thanks for the loot Anonymous. La Public Services.
Speaker 1:Yes, thanks for the loot. Okay, and this one is from an old cartoon, I think it's called Longhorn Something. In Longhorn it says have you seen this chicken? And it's got a picture of Dave. And there's another one of these. It's just a little bit Big, wider shot. Have you seen this chicken? Okay, then this one just says David Miscavige is an oppressive person. And then it has Dave on his shoulder as the devil and then a little angel on the other shoulder as an angel. David Miscavige is an oppressive person. I guess this is from a protest somewhere In somewhere, pinellas County. This is Cabbage Patch Dave. So again, again, none of these Are landscape, but people Sent them in and I guess they took some time. So I'm showing them Cabbage Patch Dave.
Speaker 1:Okay, now, I didn't know this was a thing. I mean, I've heard of it but I didn't know. You could just Do anything. But there's evidently some kind of app where you can tell the app Art, artificial intelligence, artist app. You just say give me a picture of what you think Dave Miscavige looks like, and it just generates a picture. And this is one of them. And this is another one. These are both David Miscavige, munch Scream and David Miscavige. Munch Scream and David Miscavige, the AI. This is what the artificial intelligence from scrubbing the internet thought Dave Miscavige would be doing, looking like Okay, yeah, that is a little scary.
Speaker 1:Okay, now this is, I guess, from a movie called the Borrowers or a TV show. A magical family classic comes to life and then there's a little teacup with Dave Shillian Tom in it and the kid is very excited about the project. So that's the Borrowers, dave. Okay, and then this has nothing to do with Dave, I'm not sure what's going on. People just getting out of, just getting excited. And why don't I get to be Han Solo? Okay, I'm not sure why, how. I am Luke, but, and I guess that's Aaron's Han Solo. Mike is Obi-Wan, I guess, and then Claire is Leia.
Speaker 2:That I like.
Speaker 1:Sea Org Wars, sea Org Wars, sea Org Wars. Oh, my goodness. Okay, and then we have one last one, and this is the three amigos, and it's me and Mike and Aaron as the three amigos nice okay, guys, so vote. If you know which one you want vote, I guess we should go through. We're not going to go through them again. It's too many.
Speaker 2:If you want to go through them again, you can watch the video over Next week I'll filter some of them so you can do your sound effects on them.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, good, Good idea, good idea. Don't just do it like we did the week before. Let's do it different every single week.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay. So that is here. Let me go back here. That was David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:Shoops of the week here. Do this Do me a favor Look right in the camera and just smile, okay, because I need some thumbnails. Just smile. Lots of teeth Smiling, we're smiling, we're looking and it's good, okay, great, okay, good, I'll use that for a thumbnail, okay. So the next thing we're going to do real quick and then we're going to get into some questions and answers. The next thing we're going to do real quick and then we're going to get into some questions and answers, but we're going to show the bobblehead picks that we were sent in. I have not seen any of these, so we're going to see what Claire says here and we'll see which one Same thing You've got to vote, which one you like the best. If you're voting for bobbleheads, you've got to make a separate comment than shoops so we can count them all up. If you do them together, it's going to mess up the count and then you know, we grew up in a cult, so counting and keeping tallies it's a lot of work hey, now speak for yourself, honey.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Claire adds up numbers all day she adds up numbers all day long. So I mean, I grew up in a cult too, but I'm perfectly fine with numbers.
Speaker 2:Claire adds up numbers all day long, so she'll be fine. And, to be clear, just drop a comment, say which one you like the best and we tally those up. We don't have any fancy polls we need to be doing, so. Just write a comment and say which one you like the best.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely Okay. Bobblehead picks you ready for that. Okay, now this one is pretty crazy. Like I got worried when I saw this one because it looks like Bobble Render is co-piloting a trip somewhere. That's a lot of responsibility for a little guy. But yeah, we got a pilot sending a picture of a Bobble Render in the cockpit. That looks like a real plane. That doesn't look like a little Cessna or anything. That looks like a plane that's got jets on it and either haul stuff or people. So be careful out there. If you're on a flight and Bumble Render's flying that thing, good luck. Yeah, it looks like an A380 to me. I mean, claire does avionics upgrades on planes, but I don't think she's updated it.
Speaker 2:No, I haven't done that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's no serious, that is definitely not a serious.
Speaker 2:Hey honey, congratulations. Someone said we've hit 21,000 subscribers.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go. Somebody's getting a book. Maybe pick somebody. You know what? We hit it in a stream. So if you want a book, get in there. Claire will pick you in the stream. Somebody's winning a book here tonight in the stream, or whatever you want. Bob will render SP Bracelet or a book. Take your pick.
Speaker 2:Kay Valco. I picked yesterday, so check your comments. Kay, You're getting a book.
Speaker 1:Yesterday for something else. Yeah, comments, kay, you're getting a book Yesterday for something else. Yeah, okay, good, so somebody else, or is that the person that's getting the book in the stream?
Speaker 2:No, let's see I'll do no, no.
Speaker 1:Just wait till the end Wait till the end.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll wait till the end.
Speaker 1:At the very end we're going to pick somebody. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, very end, we're gonna pick somebody. Okay, yeah, yeah, oh, bobble renders, okay. So, yeah, that's a, that's a pilot render. Pirate Bobble, bobble pilot, next one. Oh wow, this is a lot. So this is a Bobble render and he's wearing an SP bracelet, sash. Nice, so this person's picked up some stuff from the SP store. I'm not sure what Is that? Like a little moon, like a little globe.
Speaker 2:It's got wires going to it, so it's probably light enough. An orb or something, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's orb Bobble, orb yeah there you go Bobble orb, yep, orb Bobble, orb Bobble.
Speaker 1:Orb, you guys got to vote on these two Because one of these people is going to win. Well, I don't know what this person is going to win, because they already got a Bobble and an SP bracelet. They might have to win a book or another bracelet, or World's Smallest Elf. Oh yeah, little Bobble Rinder is just Hanging out with the elf. This might have been from Christmas time. People got some leftover Christmas stuff. They're just doing photo shoots. And then, oh yeah, little Boba Rinder's just hanging out with the elf. This might have been from Christmas time. We might have got some. People got some leftover Christmas stuff. They're just doing photo shoots with yeah right.
Speaker 1:So that's elf on a shelf. That's Boba on a shelf. Boba on a shelf. Okay, and this one is. Spare him from his life.
Speaker 2:Spare him his life from this monstrosity. The hole. Oh, and I like the sp bracelet look at that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, look at that. These people really got.
Speaker 2:Uh, they're getting all the swag here oh, and it's got the chairs from the musical chairs in base the whole. No, he's in the yeah, he's in the hole, yep nice, that's good one mike bobble render in the hole.
Speaker 1:Wow, people are doing sets and props and it's amazing. Bobble render in the hole. Okay, then this one. Oh, this is just a bobble render, just chilling bobble render with the uh pacific northwest in the background.
Speaker 2:That's what the person said.
Speaker 1:Yep okay, there you go, pacific northwest bobble. Um, this rocker bobble, he's got the super fuzz pedal going with his little Behringer foot pedal. He's rocking the guitar and he's on a little Casio keyboard and some drums. It's like a whole lot of. There's a lot of instrument, a lot of musical items in this one picture Guitar, keyboard, microphone. Yeah, it's a lot of rocker. Rocker bobble Bobble rocker.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Okay, and that looks like the same one.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay. And then this is a feline bobble who dead is. Nice to meet you, mike. Hey, oh, wow, oh, uh-oh yeah. So looks like Mike's about to, looks like a cat's about to have his way with a bobble render. So, yeah, we don't want to. We've got to skip to the next one before something bad happens. Oh, this is Funko Pop render, so he's got a. Oh, is that a signed bowie record or poster in the background?
Speaker 1:oh, wow that's pretty cool. He's got a little funko pops, got some, uh, just a little bobble rinder hanging it out in the back with bowie. That's very cool. It's like a little keepsake little cave there and yeah, so that's Funko Pop Bobble. And that was pretty quick.
Speaker 1:It only took us 40 minutes to get through the shoops and the Bobble Render pics. That's a lot of pictures. Folks. People get very excited about these pictures. Set it in these pictures. Pacific Northwest Bible is Gail Walker's. Look at that, gail Walker's. I didn't plan for it to be in this. You got it, gail. If you guys like those, put your votes in there, if people are joining in and they have no idea what's going on here. David Miscavige hates two things he hates people telling stories about him and he hates pictures of himself on the internet. That's what the David Shoups were about. Uh, the bubble renders are something that we sell in the sp shop. The sp shop is a little merchandise store that we've set up to raise funds for the aftermath foundation. The aftermath foundation is something that we started that helps people uh, escape from scientology and the sea, and it was started by Luis Garcia and Mike Rinder, myself, christy Colbrin, aaron Smith-Levin and my wife Claire and as well Jeffrey.
Speaker 1:Ray Jeffrey is also on the board of the Aftermath Foundation and we race the SP Shop. The proceeds from the SP Shop go of the Aftermath Foundation and we race the SP Shop. The proceeds from the SP Shop go to the Aftermath Foundation, yep.
Speaker 2:And to reiterate what we said last week, we're just having some fun. Hey, Osa, go ahead and take down our hate sites.
Speaker 1:Yeah, free.
Speaker 2:Shelly, let anyone go who wants to go, whatever.
Speaker 1:Well, if any of you have read my book, it's pretty depressing, but it is sprinkled with some comedy throughout, and we're trying to do that here on the channel. If we just talk about spy files and all the horrible Scientology stories full time, this channel would be a pretty major downer, and so we try to lighten it up every once in a while with some silliness, and also we try to raise some funds for the Aftermath Foundation at the same time. So we're doing double duty here.
Speaker 2:Oh, Gail said that her mom painted the background in the Pacific Northwest bobble pick.
Speaker 1:Very cool. There it is. There you go, 95, painted the watercolour pick in the background. That it is. There you go. 95. Painted the water coil pick in the background. That's very cool, gail. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. You know, people don't have to do this. This is people just taking some time having some fun being a little. You know, let the creative juices flow and send us some good stuff.
Speaker 2:And for anyone who wanted to know yes, my kitty jumped up on the back of my chair. During all that, she sensed the kitty. That's Jazzy, wow, okay. Just to answer some questions.
Speaker 1:Sometimes people play drinking games and if Claire shows up, if you're playing the drinking game, I might have already said basically Sixers, 27 times and an animal jumped out behind Claire. So if you see or hear an animal, that's a drink. So if anybody's playing the drinking game tonight here, I'll take a sip right now.
Speaker 2:I tend to be surrounded by animals.
Speaker 1:That'll be for all my past transgressions and any future ones. That was a good sip. There we go, okay.
Speaker 1:Let's a good sip, there we go. Okay, let's do some questions. It's 6.43. I'll let the questions come in until 6.50, and then 6.50 will be the cutoff. So if you want a question, get in there. I'm answering chats, super chats. I'm doing it all, doing it all. I'm not as picky as some on the super chats versus non-super chats.
Speaker 1:Murphy says janice gilliam grady said lrh forbid chiropractic care. He called it mixed practices. Why does wise endorse it now? Okay, there's a lot of uh to unpack in there.
Speaker 1:Jan Janice Gillum Grady is one of the original Commodores messengers that worked for L Ron Hubbard on the Sea Org ship Apollo in the 1960s and 70s. Lrh is L Ron Hubbard. He did call it mixing practices. What's happening? Somebody is taking over my computer. Okay, her initials are Claire Headley. And then WISE is the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises, and that's just a Scientology front group that just tries to get a cut of the income from Scientology companies. There's a lot of things that L Ron Hubbard forbade that are now completely okay, and usually if they have to do with getting more money out of people. So that's the only thing I can guess on that. And yeah, if you do yoga or other kinds of religious things while you're in Scientology, it is a crime. It's either a crime or a high crime and they call it mixing practices. So no downward dog if you're in Scientology, no sirree, bobbity boo. Okay, next Brian S says Claire what were your?
Speaker 1:personal and professional goals in Church of Scientology.
Speaker 2:I was just trying to survive. I didn't have personal and professional goals. If I would have listened to my little voice, it was to get out of there and have kids and make a life for myself, but that's not something I even allowed my brain to process while I was there. So I was just trying to survive. Somehow. Stick with Mark, make it through another day, stay awake things like that survival oriented.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, sweet and Salty. 1111 says how do people afford to stay in Scientology? Not a lot do. Usually, the people that stay in for a real long time and do lots of Scientology counseling and training have got some bucks. You need a lot of bucks to do that. I think it's been said. I think Tony Ortega on the Underground Bunker has got a little series called Up the Bridge and it actually has. Claire and another guy by Bruce Hines are usually the ones that go through it with Tony, but I think it's anywhere from $300,000 to $500,000 to get from to the bottom to the OT levels or something like that. It could be upwards of a million to go all the way to the top.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a series we did back in 2012 and 2013, detailing what's covered on every level of Scientology, from the very beginning all the way up to the top, including the costs associated and things of that nature. And the only other comment about how people afford Scientology is we've talked before about the field staff member commissions, where many Scientologists make their money by selling Scientology services to other members, for which they get I think it's 10% commission, I believe.
Speaker 1:I thought it was 15%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe 10% or 15%, but either way, at the costs of those services that can add up pretty quickly and a lot of people that's how they make their money to keep going. It kind of keeps the whole system working.
Speaker 1:Okay, keep going. Is it kind of keeps the whole system working? Okay, um, yahoo, um, okay, good, next question I hope you're starting questions over there, because there's lots of super chats and all kinds of stuff coming in yep calico 26 says have you guys ever watched the hate videos of you guys?
Speaker 1:I saw one with mark's mom. Apparently, mark tried to drown her. Who the hell believes that crap? Yeah, so when my dad was still alive he passed away a few years ago, but when he was still around he used to go to our hate sites because my sister and my mother had recorded videos for him and that's the only way my dad could see my sister. Because when my dad helped us escape, my sister not only disconnected from Claire and I, but she also disconnected from my father, who wasn't even in Scientology, but because he helped us, she couldn't talk to him either, and so the only way my dad could see pictures of my sister or keep up with what she looked like or saw or talked or was to go to our hate site where she had done hate videos.
Speaker 1:And, um, I have never been to my hate site, um, cause I know it's really just for me. Um, not, not, uh, not. A lot of people are going to go to their hate site and they're so ridiculous that even if somebody did go there, it's ludicrous the things they have on there. But whenever my dad would go there, he'd always say, oh, you'll never guess what they have up on your hate site and I'd always be like dad, why are you telling me the whole reason I don't go is because I don't want to get wound up by whatever nonsense they're putting on there. He goes oh no, you got to see this one, your, your ma said you tried to drown her when you were six and I was like what she's like? He's like, yeah, evidently you were horsing around in the pool, you tried to drown your ma and I was kind of like, well, when a six-year-old tries to drown you, you just stand there, you don't do anything.
Speaker 1:Anyway, then when we were in one of these videos, somebody said they went to one of my hate sites and that I licked some crackers of some girl and then she ate them. And then, after she ate them, I said, hey, I licked all those crackers. And it's just the weirdest story because, first of all, I'm a whole cracker kind of guy. If you knew me in person, I'm not a small fella and if there's some crackers that need to be consumed, I'm just going to eat the whole cracker. I'm not going to lick the cracker and then leave a cracker behind.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think if there's any shred of kind of a story there. I think I probably had some crackers on my desk when I was in the sea organization and I had licked the salt off of them and then somebody came and stole the crackers off my desk and then when I saw the girl and I said, hey, what happened to my crackers? And she ate them, I probably said, hey, by the way, I licked all the salt off those. Whether I did or didn't, that does seem like something I tell somebody who stole some crackers off my desk. But uh, not sure exactly, um, but according to scientology I am, and always will be a dirty cracker licker.
Speaker 2:So uh, I don't watch the videos either I mean, yeah, more it's we've had. So many people tell us oh yeah, we googled and it's so obviously false, like that's the best effort they can do, really, yeah, I mean also.
Speaker 1:I had so much negativity when I'm in scientology, what do I need scientology negativity now? Okay, I'm trying to have fun, live my life, expose this greedy, nasty cult that breaks up families and robs people and steals money from elderly people on credit cards. They run up and if you want to call me a dirty cracker licker, you can do that over in your bubble. I don't care about that. Jude Morrow says is RTC the Scientology equivalent of the Vatican Council, where we Dave is the pope who thinks all of his cardinals are SPs? That's exactly right, jude Morrow. That's a very good comparison.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure what the Vatican Council's duties are, but Scientology is the internal affairs and the police organization of all Scientology. If you're in the Sea Org or if you're a public or if you're just a random member or if you're a staff member, it doesn't matter. Rtc could light you up and kick you out of Scientology. It doesn't matter who you are. You could be somebody in RTC and RTC can kick you out of scientology. It doesn't matter who you are. You could be somebody in rtc and rtc can kick you out of scientology. So rtc is sort of like the um. Yeah, they're the internal affairs, they're cia, they're, they're everything, and um, they're the bosses of scientology. And that's the head. David miscavige is the head of RTC, or, as he likes to call himself, chairman of the board, but he's not even the chairman and he's not on the board, so we just call him Little Davey or Lil Dave, lil, lil Dave, l-i-l apostrophe, lil Dave, okay, chiyoko, chiyoko B. Super sticker.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Chiyoko.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it. Let's get some stickers. We got Sailor Centrist. I've seen that one before. You know I see you guys. When you guys come in here, I recognize you. Ruth W, Is there a?
Speaker 2:Melaleuca. Is there a Melaleuca? Oh, I lost it Owned by a Scientologist. I know a lot of Melaleuca users are. I hate tea tree oil smell.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know what that is, I don't even know, get in there and get in the Google food. Get your Google food on it.
Speaker 2:Melaleuca is like a line of products. I think it's probably MLM, I think.
Speaker 1:Well, if it's MLM, there's definitely Scientologists doing it. Scientologists love them. Some MLM.
Speaker 2:Anything to make all the money that they need to be able to spend and donate.
Speaker 1:And also anything they can rope other Scientologists into that they can benefit off of. Yes they can rope other Scientologists into that they can benefit off of. So I want to say in Scientology there was a lot of Herbalife people.
Speaker 2:Tons of Herbalife. Oh my gosh, my mom was doing Herbalife for a while.
Speaker 1:Tons of Herbalife. And then for a while in the 80s there was a bunch of Amway.
Speaker 1:Scientologists do an Amway there was a bunch of Amway Scientologists doing Amway Yep and yeah, they had some good crackers and some cookies. Those Amway guys and I couldn't really get behind the Herbalife. They had this thing called Body Toddy. It was nasty Gross. But because my mom was like a salesperson she was usually kind of rotating in the same circles as these Amway and Herbalife folks. Why do you think, elrond Blubbard? Why do you think I made Xenu's time look exactly like everything in the 1950s? I'm not sure, el Ron Blubbert, but thanks for the comment.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Goldie. Let's randomly give away a bobblehead from Goldie with this $40. Goldie does this every time.
Speaker 2:She does. She's the best, though let's give a shout out to Goldie.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you Goldie. We to goldie, yes, thank you goldie, goldie thank you. Goldie is a moderator here. She's also a moderator on aaron smith levin's channel. I'm not sure exactly what goldie's got going on at home, but, um, if mike render starts a channel and goldie's a mod over there, um, I think we're gonna have to put it on the payroll, because it seems like too much to be doing for all this for nothing.
Speaker 2:In the comments, people were suggesting I try and get Goldie and do an interview with her. I would love that Goldie hook me up, Hit me up, I mean.
Speaker 1:Hook me up, hit me up. There was one that said something about Colorado. Can you find that one and start? I went to click on it and I unclicked it. Mind my Blues says please vote for the shoops. The bobblehead picks are just for fun. Thank you, yes, no, but we're voting for the bobblehead picks too. Someone's going to win a bracelet.
Speaker 2:So I don't know where the Colorado comment is, but somebody asked how did we land in Colorado? That was the question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to put it up. Yeah, okay, I can go find it. If you want to answer, you go answer and I'll find it.
Speaker 2:All right, how we landed in Colorado. We were in California and it was not fun being on OSA's doorstep they had shoot crew PIs, step, they had shoot crew PIs, all of this other stuff. But really the reason we landed in Colorado is because Mark has family here. We love Colorado because the only thing they've ever heard about Scientology is oh, is that the crazy thing? With Tom Cruise jumping on a couch. We're like these people are just awesome, it's beautiful. And so we've been here for about 12 years.
Speaker 1:Yes, ok, good, going back in here. There's a bunch of Super Chats, if you can scoop those up. Cass1954,. Do you know anything about Hank Borland? I do not. Do you know anything about Hank Borland? Yep.
Speaker 2:I knew Hank Borland when I was working as an RTC rep in Clearwater. He was a class 12 auditor and he had a son, I think as well. That was a supervisor. I don't know what happened to him and where he is now, but I absolutely knew him. You have to unmute yourself, honey.
Speaker 1:Good job, thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, got you covered. Jordan Devereux1, is it true that someone lays out the clothes for LRH every day, even now? Yes, it is true. And here's the other crazy thing, and this is crazy. And here's the other crazy thing, and this is crazy. I mean, everything about Scientology is pretty much crazy, but this is next level crazy.
Speaker 1:They lay his clothes out, but they're the clothes that he wore when he was around in the 1980s. So they saved all his stuff and they wash it and they press it and they lay it out on the bed. And they saved all his stuff and they wash it and they press it and they lay it out on the bed and they do all that stuff, but it's his clothes when he was a big fat, old fuddy-duddy. So if he comes back and he's now in his, I guess he would be in his early 30s. At this point. He definitely missed a connecting flight or a bus or a train stop or something, because he was supposed to be back in 2007 and he ain't never come back. So 2007 plus now, yeah, he'd be in his mid-30s. He would be in his mid-30s. He died in 86.
Speaker 2:So he's taking an extended leave of absence so he's taking an extended leave of absence and, um, he's gonna have to get that sec check that they've got lined up for him.
Speaker 1:I'm sure davy has picked out some very tough questions to answer right, and so if he comes back, he's gonna be a 30 year old person that's gonna have to to somehow wear these giant clothes. He wasn't a small guy, he was pretty fat before he died, and so this 30 or something year old's gonna have to squeeze into these duds that look like Omar the tent maker stitched him up and he's gonna be, like you know, flopping around in these clothes. It's ridiculous. Broken Dishes says Yorkshire pudding recipe. Please, when convenient for a change of pace, I think it would be a blast to see you two cooking anything together. Oh, we are so not doing that. That is a lot of work. It's a lot of work to do the Yorkshire pudding, to somehow film it and then do a video of it. I don't know, that's not uh I almost really like the recipe.
Speaker 1:Shoot me an email and I'll get yeah, go to the about page and say yorkshire pudding and claire will deal with that yeah, there you go I know somebody was saying maybe we should do a recipe of the week, scientology recipe of the week.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't think mark's gonna be up up for that.
Speaker 1:Goodness, so many things. Okay, russ, rural SD lawyer. Love you both. I'm a longtime supporter. Question Do either of you still experience new things, events or experience you didn't know anything about because of all your years in the COS? Every once in a while I'd say so.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely Ironically, I would say, most of that currently is vicariously through our children getting a proper education, like seeing their homework, and we're like, oh, this is fun stuff here.
Speaker 1:Yep, are you starring any of the?
Speaker 2:Yes, I am.
Speaker 1:Okay, I couldn't tell Okay. So, dora, I would love a book. Oh, you can call me Dora, but most people call me Mark. I assume you're talking to somebody in the chat, dwight. Dwight Schrute from the Office.
Speaker 2:Dora commented that she got an extra book and that she would give it to somebody. Awesome, dora, you can tell me who you would like it to go to, how about that, and I'll get you a shipping label.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good idea. Holiday Arnett says question to both of you. Have you ever heard of naturally clear, or is that just BS? Look this one right here. There you go. This one right here, Naturally clear.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I didn't say that I was last lifetime clear.
Speaker 1:Isn't that the same thing?
Speaker 2:No, it is not honey.
Speaker 1:What's naturally clear.
Speaker 2:Natural clear is a there. There was a reference where Hubbard said that some people are natural clear. Um, they just are born that way, without a reactive mind.
Speaker 1:It's different than a last oh my goodness, this is the next level.
Speaker 2:It's like natural clear was canceled, so that's not a thing, oh it was yes, I was gonna say it sounds like pepsi clear.
Speaker 1:It doesn't really. It's not really a thing. Um amazon, oh, this is dora. Uh, dora expl Explorer. Amazon accidentally sent me a BFG that I canceled in order from you instead, so I'll gladly mail a book to someone. Okay, cool, claire, we'll send you an email.
Speaker 2:Send me an email. I don't have your email, but, dora, send me an email, we'll get it taken care of. Thank you for that kind offer.
Speaker 1:Stephen Britton. Do they tell you they've disconnected from you? Yes, usually Sometimes they don't, but with us they definitely did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in fact we had a strange situation where my mom and Mark's mom both sent us letters from the Scientology headquarters in Los Angeles that was supposedly Anyway, it was ridiculous. We'll end, move along.
Speaker 1:They sent us. My sister, my mother and Claire's mother, who all live in three different states, all sent us disconnection letters and they all arrived at the exact same time and they were all postmarked from the osa address. So even though our family sent us them, they were from osa, so obviously osa had them send them to them, so our family wouldn't stick anything in there, like claire's mom claire's mom, who sent us six thousand dollars in a check, in an envelope, uh, and made it a cashier's check so she couldn't back out and cancel it, and so she basically she helped us, but she disconnected from us at the same time. It's like here's the last letter I'm ever going to be able to write you in here Six thousand dollars.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry for everything I ever did to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry you're having to start your life over with no education and no nothing. But here you go, bye.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jason. Polychron says fair winds and, following seas, hope your efforts to combat Scientology are victorious. Well, thank you, jason, I appreciate it. Kayla Brotsman says Claire, are your brother and sisters still in Scientology?
Speaker 2:Yes, um, my brother did a hate video on my um on our hate site. Um, as far as I know, he lives in Clearwater and, yes, he's still in. My two sisters live in California and they're not. They're not, none of them are in the sea organization, thank goodness, um, but as far as I know, they are still associated with Scientology and it just becomes. And they're not, they're not, none of them are in the sea organization, thank goodness, but as far as I know, they are still associated with Scientology and it just becomes complicated because, obviously, even if they weren't, if they reconnected with me, which might happen someday, I hope, but my parents are definitely still in and live in Clearwater. There you go. Jay Warren says is Tommy.
Speaker 1:Davis still in and live in Clearwater. There you go. Jay Warren says is Tommy Davis still in Scientology? No, he is not. He has left Scientology, divorced his ex-Scientology slash Sea Org wife, who also left the Sea Organization. He has divorced her and he's married someone who is a non-Scientologist and, as far as I know, he's living in California somewhere doing his thing and not taking any more. He's not working for Dave Miscavige, but if the subject of Scientology comes up he does stick up for them and he doesn't say anything bad, even though Dave Miscavige hates him and he probably doesn't have the, even though dave miscavige hates him and he probably doesn't have the best opinion of dave miscavige either. Uh, okay, gary moorhead says hey buddy, hi claire, can you play that dm song on your touchtone phone?
Speaker 1:still, I sure can it's the song, just can't get enough and I can play it on a touchtone telephone you can pretty much play it on anything.
Speaker 1:That's true. I can play it on a xylophone, on a trumpet, on a piano, on a guitar, on a bass guitar, on a telephone. I can play it on a lot of things. Clancycpa says did you go to Delphi with any of the famous kids? I did. I went to Delphi with Vonnie Ribisi, who is in the Avatar movie. He plays the tiny little bad guy in the Avatar movie, the corporate boss guy that's ordering him to take out all those Smurf people. And then I obviously was there also with Marissa Ribisi, who used to be my girlfriend when we were little kids. And then there was a Sky Dayton. Sky Dayton, he went to Delphi, oregon. But then Lisa Marie Presley's husband, danny Keough, her first husband. He went to Delphi and there was a guy in a band with him called Thad Korea. There was also my dad's band. He went to Delphi, oregon.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think there's a guy in the spy files that I were talking about. He's not famous but his name's Eric Geisler. He went to Delphi. Oh, and what's her name? The gal from Punky, elizabeth Moss, went to Delphi, la. Who else Were there? Any other famous Delphi people? If I think of them, I'll bring them up.
Speaker 1:I have all the yearbooks and they look like little kids like I did. Okay, LAVG Green Thanks. Thank you, uh. Lavg green thanks thank you uh, william tubb says could rtc kick smiling dave out no, no, he's the boss rtc.
Speaker 2:He is rtc. He's made sure the structure surrounding him is such that nobody can kick him out yeah, obg foster says are there any good Scientology songs?
Speaker 1:No, they are. They have Scientology has we Stand Tall. They have one called. I think it's called we're Moving Up.
Speaker 1:Thank you for Listening, which is an L Ron Hubbard song. They have a bunch of rap songs that Doug E Fresh did Story of Creating, yeah, and they have like a pop album. They have a bunch of uh, they have an album called space jazz that has a lot of edgar winner, uh, action on it 1970s edgar winner, chick, korea, stanley, clark, um, I'm trying to think of some other ones. Battlefield Earth has a soundtrack, space Jazz. There's one called by the Apollo Stars and it has L Ron Hubbard, I think, mixed and mastered it. It is a giant, hot, steaming pile of garbage. It is horrible. Giant hot, steaming pile of garbage. It is horrible. And um, yeah, all of the scientology music it has, um, I'm gonna say like a giant tub, like a costco sized tub of cheese just dumped on it. So it's very, very cheesy. Okay, penko says thanks for the great stream. Well, thank you, penko, I appreciate it. We're here for you, man.
Speaker 1:Debbie JF says I never read Dianetics. My brother did in the mid-80s, when he was in his mid-teens. He cried for two weeks. What do you think was going on you?
Speaker 2:both rock, I don't know, man. I mean mean, there's some pretty heavy stuff in there in dynamics. It's very disjointed and very difficult to read. But uh yeah, I don't know, it must have hit a chord for him, so that's a bummer or the writing was just so horrible. Your brother was brought to tears yeah, it could have been ultimately depressing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like, oh my gosh, somebody wrote something so horrible. Trinity Devane says I started reading Scientology A History of man last night. That's not a good idea. And how did anyone get through that in a way that made them want to follow anything LRH said or did? He clearly had no grasp on reality. That's what we were saying. Somebody asked us in a stream the other night what's the craziest book in Scientology? And Mike Rinder said History of man, and Trinity over here thought she'd go out and get it and she seems to be confirming that it is a crazy book. I've never read it, so I wouldn't know that it is a crazy book. I've never read it, so I wouldn't know. Claire and Mark, couldn't LRH come back as a female? That's a good one, gail. I never thought of that. He could be just lurking around and they don't even know he could be watching Davy this whole time. Davy's going to be in big trouble.
Speaker 1:Matthew Briggs said does Scientology try and recruit addicts? Have drug program? They do have a drug program called Narconon. They do try to recruit them, but mainly just to work for Narconon. I don't think they're trying to get a lot of people into Scientology that are drug addicts Every once in a while they do. That's how Kirstie Alley got in. She had a. According to her, she was still around. Rest in peace. She did mountains of cocaine on a regular basis and she didn't think she wanted to do that anymore. And she attributes Narconon to helping her stop from doing mountains of cocaine. And then she gave all her money to Scientology after that. Nona Yorbans, yorbans Is there anyone at the base meaner than DM?
Speaker 2:No, it's none of your business.
Speaker 1:Okay, none of your business. Is there anyone at the base meaner than DM no, okay, none of your business. Is there anyone at the base meaner than DM no? And Kate Ashley says Hi, mark and Claire, what type of lies do recruiters tell you to make you join Love your channel? Well, first of all, I'll let Claire answer that one, because I've been yapping this whole time.
Speaker 2:All right, sounds good. Well, first of all, the recruiters hound you non, non, nonstop. So it's not so much as they present that it's going to be rosy, it's just that you eventually fold and you're kind of surrounded by people, pressure, high pressure, very, very high pressure. However, they do say, well, you're going to, um, make $46 a week, um, when you're 14, $46 and you're and in my case I was getting $20. So I was like, wow, I'm going to double my income, um. But they also tell you, for example, that you're going to be able to, you're saving the planet, it's the best thing to do, um. That you'll get three weeks off each year, which never happens. That you'll get a day off every two weeks, which never happens, um, and that you'll be joining the most ethical group on the planet. That, that would be my answer okay, there you go, uh.
Speaker 1:Next one is richie pound. How about edgar? How about an edgar winner story? Um, that's a hard one. So edgar winner um, I know I saw another comment in there from I think it was a nancy said is Edgar Winter a Scientologist? And yes, he was a Scientologist in the I want to say in the 70s that he got in and he came to Golden Era and he recorded albums and he did all kinds of stuff and he did concerts and he participated in all sorts of Scientology events and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:The last Edgar Winner story I heard was there was a whole bunch of people from the Int Base that had escaped and at least one or two of them used to be in the Golden Era Musicians and Edgar Winner was playing in las vegas. And this some of these ex seawork members. They lived in las vegas and they were going to go see him at his concert and they were going to go backstage and be like, hey, what's going? Because they were friends with edgar when edgar would come and do stuff for scientology and they sent, uh, this, his name is Norman Starkey and they sent Norman Starkey to the concert to stand backstage just in case those guys came by and they, they I don't know exactly what happened, but there was some sort of confrontation or you know, they were just like. We just came to say hi to Edgar. We don't give it, we're not trying to cause any trouble, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:Edgar Winter was almost I mean, from what I saw, he may have been almost blind or legally blind. He could not see very good at all and whenever I saw him, his wife was with him and he was a cool. He was a cool cat, edgar winner and um, the main reason I knew Edgar winner was is cause my dad was a huge Edgar winner fan and uh, like from that time period, like Frankenstein and a bunch of the uh, you know, edgar winner, uh stuff Edgar winner was famous for. But uh, yeah, that's all the Edgar winner stuff I got. Um, I didn't have a lot of contact with Edgar, okay, and DW said I got made fun of too for the same thing. So low move, for I went through developing early a lot when I was young.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what she's talking about. It's the sexualization of a young lady that bugs me still. Yeah, um, I understand what you're saying. You had, um, you had big personalities yeah, code for uh the uh. Okay, yeah, that's a bummer. Okay, richie Pound again. If DM is the meanest, who are the next meanest characters? Well, you know, it's all relative, but I know my answer to that.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll let Claire say who it is.
Speaker 2:Marty Rathbun was Super mean.
Speaker 1:That's true. He did cold cock me one time he used to sit in. Meetings was super mean.
Speaker 2:That's true. He did cold cock me one time. He used to sit in meetings and snap things and throw things and beat people up. Greg Wilhair did some of that too.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:And Jenny Linson was a piece of work too.
Speaker 1:That's true. All of those are good answers, but I would never really consider them mean, because they're just like whatever to me. So, they can say mean things, but who cares? That's whatever.
Speaker 2:But to me, when I got busted to the hole, and especially after you took off, jenny Linson, sue Wilhairhair and some other people were incredibly evil. The only person that was kind and understanding to me at that time, in a very bad and dark spot, was mike render.
Speaker 1:You're muted, can't hear you there, it is okay, good, all right. Um, the goldie said this question comes up now. And then why does scientology use the image of a cross? Aaron answered that question here. Oh, okay, good, yeah, it's. Uh, it's too well. Yeah, if aaron answered the question, go to the link if he did a whole video on it. Awesome, perfect, um, okay, here's another one.
Speaker 1:Nico says hey, claire and Mark, do you know Dan Murnan, a guy from the old school, mark Funker videos from over a decade. I sometimes wonder what happened to him. Greetings from Germany. Yeah, dan Murnan was one of the people. He used to be like an OSA, a public member of Scientologist that had done enough of his operating Phaeton levels to get high enough that he could do volunteer work for OSA. Dan Mernon used to harass Mark Bunker, who used to live in California. He would go to Mark Bunker's neighborhood and put these evil flyers from Scientology up all over Mark Bunker's neighborhood.
Speaker 1:I want to say that, dan Murnin, I'm pretty sure he got cancer and he passed away. That's what somebody told me a few years ago. I at least know that somebody did run into him. I think it was a member of Anonymous or somebody who knew who he was, and they videoed him and he was very, very skinny and he didn't look well and he did look like he might have cancer. Okay, apostate Alex, apostate Alex, hey, apostate Alex, we're going to put a link. We'll put a link in Apostate Alex's channel if you guys go show him love over in his YouTube. Did you guys know Burnt Model? Guys, go show him love over in his YouTube. Did you guys know Burt Model? He was an FSM slash public who helped me get back on lines when I got kicked out the first time. Burt Model Burt Model used to be in Los Angeles, right?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And wasn't he married to that little? There's like a little MAA gal that used to work for Mariette Lindstein.
Speaker 2:I think so. I don't remember her name, but didn't we run into him at Home Depot one time in Burbank, or was?
Speaker 1:that somebody else? No, no, no, that was another guy. I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Nolte, that was Nolte. Oh yes, nolte Huber.
Speaker 1:But yes, burnt, talking about, yeah, noldy, that was no, yes, noldy, huber um, but yes, burnt model. We definitely know burnt model and he used to be a big seer executive and he got busted and they flicked him off to europe somebody said in the comments what a name burnt model burnt model.
Speaker 1:That was his name, Burnt Model. I'm not making that up. Okay, this is a good one. I am currently 73. In around 1962-63, my summer reading list at my high school included Dianetics. Never read through it out the window. Well, good for you, William. Well, I've seen William in here a few times too. Thanks, William, we appreciate the support.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I made a stink recently because we had signed up for a book program for our kids and Final Blackout, which was one of Hubbard's science fiction books, was on the list along with some others, and I wrote in and caused a whole ruckus saying these are books from a cult, so you have no business exposing children to anything to do with this cult. Take those books off your list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny. Oh, here's the apostate. Alex says no way, he was an SO exec. Yes, he was at. It used to be when Burt was there. It used to be called FCB, the Flag Command Bureau, and that was the building in Los Angeles which is it's called the HGB, the Hollywood Guarantee Building. And yeah, burt Model was in. I want to say he was in, he was in FCB. I forget what they called. I think that's just what they called it, that I don't remember what his job was, but, yeah, he was there.
Speaker 1:Michael Chavez, who took Mike Rinder's job after he escaped. See, that's the thing when a Sea Org member escapes, they don't have a lot of them. So when you escape, no, the people that are there, they just get to suck up another job. It's not like somebody officially transfers to your job. This is somebody else who already have three jobs, now has four jobs and one of them is whatever. Um, okay, I think we're gonna do one more question, one more. Uh, pick a. Once you pick one claire, you pick a really good one that you want to do okay, hold on, give me a minute here, because I don't even have that too late.
Speaker 1:Richie pound says blown for good. Billy Sheehan surprised to hear he was in Scientology. What was your experience with him? Now, billy Sheehan is a bass player and he's in a band called Mr Big, and Billy Sheehan might be one of the top 10 best bass players electric bass players in the world. He's amazing. My dad used to know Billy. He lives in Los Angeles. This is the craziest Billy Sheehan story I have. It's actually part one and part two.
Speaker 1:I used to go to a chiropractor in Burbank and Billy Sheehan's girlfriend used to work at the chiropractor and when they found out who I was and that I'd written a book and all this other stuff, she started dishing all kinds of juice on Billy Sheehan. She had broken up with him by the time we had spoken, but she said he had a like a whole little l run hubbard room in his house which was like a shrine to l run hubbard, where he had all his l run hubbard books and all his scientology stuff and um, and that was kind of crazy. And then in 2009 I want to say 2008, I don't remember there was a a bunch of people all around the world called Anonymous that were protesting Scientology and at one of those protests, this long-haired rocker dude was just hanging out answering people's questions and he had a sign saying I'm a Scientologist, ask me anything. And so all these Anonymous people were talking to him and I looked over and I was like, is that Billy Sheehan? Anyway? So I talked to him for a little while. He was so not supposed to be out there, but he just, like rogue, decided he was going to go confront and shatter suppression and I don't think it went well for him. I think he got pulled in by OSA because he was basically just talking with all these SPs that were protesting Scientology and that was not sanctioned by OSA.
Speaker 1:So, um, so yeah, that's my Billy Sheehan story and that is going to wrap it up for us tonight. Um, we are going to be I'm going to be doing spy files for the rest of the week. Uh, claire is going to do some interviews and we're going to see how she does on those and we're going to cut them up and put those up. But she's going to start interviewing people that were in the Sea Org and I think one of them might even be an aftermath person that we've helped, and so we'll see what happens with that, hopefully that turns out great that, hopefully that turns out great and then, uh, yeah, we'll see how that goes.
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Speaker 1:Yes, we did hit 21,000. So, um, so, before we, before we end off, uh, we're going to announce a winner. Could you pick one? No, you had this whole time to pick one person. Okay, I'm gonna see the first one. I find that says I want a book. They're getting it okay first one. I'm up now.
Speaker 2:Now you're gonna pick one uh, no, I have dora's book.
Speaker 1:Is going to go to somebody that we're I'm not worried about that that you guys can figure all that out. Jen writes also would love a bfg book and a bobblehead. Also look forward to more of your vids. Your stories and insights are so expiring. Thank you, jen writes. Um, make a email us in the about page. You're the winner. You are the 21 000 subscriber.
Speaker 2:Winner of the night jen is also the one I was just talking about who's going to help with resumes, which is amazing.
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Speaker 2:We came, we saw we did, and that's it for tonight. I'll pick someone for Goldie's bobblehead and we'll give out an award for the shoot. Winner of the week.
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