Hey guys, welcome back. Welcome to the stream.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello. Thanks to everyone for joining us this fine Sunday.
Speaker 1:I'm Mark Hedley and I'm joined by my lovely wife, claire, today, and we're going to do a fun live today. Guessing some of you might have seen the thumbnail that is Claire and myself in the thumbnail. That is Claire and myself in the thumbnail. And we're going to be showing you a Scientology Sea Organization wedding today, and this is Sea Org, sea Org, sea Org. Everything about this is very, very Sea Org, and so we're going to get to that in a little bit.
Speaker 1:We are going to do some giveaways at the end of this video. If you want to enter in to that giveaway, then you just have to type hashtag BFG in the comments. If you want to tell us where you're watching from today, that's always fun as well. We like to see where everybody's tuning in from around the globe, and so if you do the location and that hashtag, then you automatically get in. So it's easy peasy, fresh and squeezy. And yeah, we're also going to do two giveaways of people that watched last week's replay video and voted or said where they were from. We're going to do we're going to enter a few of those people in to win today as well. So so even those guys that watch the replay get a chance to win and we'll try to do that on the next time we do it live. We'll try to do that for this one. Right, babe, sounds good. Yep, pretty tight over there Got a plan yeah, well, well you know it's sunday and it's been a long day already.
Speaker 1:By the way, guys, this is a crazy thing. Okay, today, um, claire did a four, uh, no, she did a 10k this morning and, um, I did.
Speaker 2:I mean, I want to say that she got back doctor Dockster, didn't happen right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a 10K trail race. It wasn't just a 10K around town, it was like through the hills and on all the trails in our little town here. But and I made French toast and bacon, that's what I did this morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a beautiful run. It was amazing. We just live in an absolutely beautiful part of America. Colorado is awesome, and I love doing these trail races. The people are so nice, like anytime someone passes you or you pass them, they're always like you got this, you're doing good. We're all like we got this. Keep going, it's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:I was.
Speaker 1:I didn't even know it was a trail 10 K, until she showed me her little uh necklace or whatever. What do you want to call that?
Speaker 2:A trophy, or metal metal Um when she showed me for metals. That's my motto metal.
Speaker 1:Um, when she showed me metals that's my motto. As soon as she showed me and I was like, oh, it was a trail 10 K, I was like oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great when you're going downhill, going uphill, you know, especially like five miles in, that's pretty, that can be pretty. Uh, you're like, come on, get to the finish line. You're like, come on, get to the finish line, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's wild. Okay, so let's here. I'll pop these up and then you read them out. How about we do it that way?
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Speaker 2:Greetings from Crisfield, maryland. Thank you so much for joining us. Gretchen, philly. Greetings from Philadelphia, trevenon. Good evening from Clearwater, Netherlands, nice. I hope the weather in Clearwater is good for you over there. Betsy, betsy, betsy, sue, sue, just call me Betsy. Greetings from Myrtle Beach, south Carolina. Thank you so much for being here. One love 51,000. Hello from Pennsylvania. I'm so ready for this. All right, yeah, we've been talking about doing this for what like a little over a year now. Matt, denny, hey, all won't be able to make this live, unfortunately, as I'm out with my band. We'll watch it on catch up. Have a great one from your friend across the pond. Thanks, matt, Good to see you going.
Speaker 2:Claire, claire Headley on Scientology. I'm blown for good Scientology exposed. Thanks for being here, alex, and hey, way to go on your hard work in England. Uh, this past week I'm sure many people know or heard of, and if you didn't, then get up, get on over to apostate Alex's channel. Um, he succeeded in demanding that East Grinstead release documents to him relating to Scientology nefarious activities there. So good job, mrs T Rush from Spring Hill. I missed that one. Oh yeah, florida, formerly Clearwater. I'm not sure if that's true or false or if it's a play on Clearwater, but either way, one love Fifty one000. Pennsylvania BFG. Hashtag BFG. There you go. And yeah, just a reminder to anyone joining us hashtag BFG put that in the comments If you'd like to be included in the giveaways. Uh, trevon on BFG. Clearwater. Netherlands. Scientology audit. Ottawa, ottawa, canada, hashtag BFG. Thank you so much for joining us. Ottawa, canada, hashtag BFG. Thank you so much for joining us. Charlotte Arrow, north Carolina, hashtag BFG. There we go, we're getting the hang of this.
Speaker 2:Poodlebone hello from New York. Okay, okay, I was mainly just reiterating it for anyone joining us. Maria Martins hello. This time got here on time. That's amazing. And Maria, thank you so much for being a part of our giveaway train, as it were. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know if a lot of people know this, but all of the getaway, all of the giveaways that we've been doing in the past few weeks, have all been people donating to for us to give them away. So, um, dr X has done a whole bunch, um, Dr Paul, her partner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so there's a, and all of the giveaways that we're doing today are also donated um by by Dr X and and Paul again today, so um, and again, just to reiterate, all the proceeds from the SP shop, which is where we sell bobbleheads, davey, fake Davey, fake Navy, davey elves, sp bracelets and new things coming soon. All the proceeds benefit the Aftermath Foundation, so we really appreciate the support. Support Cassie in the house. Hey guys from Jacksonville, florida. It has been a minute, cassie, it's really good to see you here. Mark might say it Casey, but there you go.
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Speaker 1:Wow, well, that's a lot. Well, thanks guys. Thanks for tuning in. Yes, we appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Yes, we do appreciate it. And we're saying hello from Clearwater, colorado, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a ton of people in here. We might even do a little bit. If you guys want to star some of the ones I didn't cover, we can maybe do those a little bit If you want to. If you guys want to star some of the ones I didn't cover, we can maybe do those a little bit later. But we've got. We've got over 250 people in here now. So I figure we're good enough to get going here. And what do we got here? So how do we want to? What do we want to do?
Speaker 2:We want to start this, so how do we want to set this up?
Speaker 1:So I joined. If you guys want to get all this in excruciating detail, then you can read my book Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology. But basically, claire and I were both grew up in Scientology and we both joined the SEA organization, which is the organization where you sign a billion-year contract. The organization where you sign a billion-year contract and you dedicate your life to being in the C organization, which is sort of a fraternal order within Scientology, and you basically dedicate your entire existence to Scientology. And because our parents were Scientologists and we grew up in Scientology and we went to Scientology, and because our parents were Scientologists and we grew up in Scientology and we went to Scientology schools, in a lot of those schools you're certainly being indoctrinated to think and act like a Scientologist.
Speaker 1:And so in Scientology the C organization manages all of their operations internationally and the people that do that are the billion-year contract people, the people that work in the local Scientology organizations. They are often Scientology staff members who signed a two-and-a-half-year or five-year contract and they just work there during the day and then they go home to their families and their life at the end of the day and then they just come back in the next morning we lived in Sea Organization facilities, in what we called Sea Org birthing, and we went to work seven days a week. Usually the minimum work hour week would be a hundred hours. That's the schedule gives you a hundred hour work week. Um, sometimes we would do all-nighters, maybe two, three, four, five all-nighters in a week, if that was, uh, the atmosphere of what was going on and so, like so many, I I could never, I could never estimate how many times we stayed up all night.
Speaker 2:I mean, I, I did my first all nighter when I was 16. Um, and from there it just became a blur, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was thousands over the week. So I joined the C organization in Los Angeles in 1989. And in 1990, I was re um, I was re what do you call it? Repositioned. I was moved to the international headquarters. I was transferred to the international headquarters to work at golden air productions in um like may may, late may 1990. And Claire arrived at that property. When, when exactly did you arrive at the property?
Speaker 2:I was moved there in September 1991 at the age of 16 after my parents signed over guardianship. Well, so it's. You know, whatever, there's layer upon layer. But my mother joined this organization when I was four years old, and then I started my own billion-year contract when I was 16, in July of 1991.
Speaker 1:Okay, good.
Speaker 2:So July 1991, I started working at the big blue buildings in LA and then by September of 19, yeah, in Los Angeles, that's right. And then, by September of 1991, I was moved to the confidential location in Hemet, california, or Gilman Hot Springs more specifically, and that's where I met you.
Speaker 1:We didn't know each other before that enough you almost ended up going to the Delphi Academy, which was in Los Angeles. Yeah, and if you would have ended up going there, you would have met me there. But you didn't end up because you were too old. They don't let you start going to this, the Delphi Academy in Los Angeles, If you're over 14 years old. They want to. They want to get you younger than that, Over 13.
Speaker 2:Yeah over 13. And so I showed up there two days after my 13th birthday and they said I would have to petition to go there because it takes them. And what they said at the time was it takes them too long to teach Scientology, study technology, which was ridiculous because I'd already done like the PhD equivalent the student hat by that time. But the bottom line is my parents could not afford it and therefore we had moved to the US in August no, september of 1988. And I never went back to school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my parents opted to not put me back in school, so there you have it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, yeah, so back in 1991,.
Speaker 2:We met in our paths, first crossed in September 1991 at the headquarters in Gilman hot Springs, California.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and at that time I worked at Golden Air Productions in the manufacturing division, so I was the quality control for the cassette tape manufacturing and I would listen to L Ron Hubbard lectures that had been recorded and I would compare them to the master recordings and I would it's called an AB I would listen to a few seconds of the master and then I would listen to a few seconds of the copy and make sure that they didn't vary too much in decibel levels and tonal quality and high end, low end, mids, all that nonsense. And then I also played some tones, some computer generated tones, and and checked those on some analyzers, spectrum analyzer equipment and volume meters and that sort of thing. And then that's what I did all day every day. I sat down and I did that for hours and hours and hours every day. And Claire, why don't you tell everybody what you were doing when I was doing that?
Speaker 2:in what's called the qualifications division, which is the section of golden era productions, that is, over the staff training and staff counseling auditing. It's called Um and so I was. That there's a course series called the key key to life course and the life orientation course, and I was part of the delivery team that oversaw getting the staff at the base through those courses because it was a requirement that everybody had to do those courses. The key to life course is where you look up all the small, small common words extensively. You learn grammar, because Hubbard rewrote grammar and invented a few terms. You know linguistics is a huge part of the Scientology mind control.
Speaker 2:And then life orientation course was where you're supposed to establish, like, your goal and purpose in life through various different steps. So I was, I was in that. So I would. You know, every staff member at that property was required to study two and a half hours a day. So when they would go to do their two and a half hours a day study, I was part of the team that was supervising them on those studies. Supervisor is the Scientology equivalent really, of a teacher. It's not the same as a teacher because you're just following the steps. But yeah, there you have it, and you were on the night schedule originally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the supervisor pretty much just guides the students to try to just keep them doing their check sheet of actions or a little checklist of actions. Um, yeah, for that pretty much the entire time. Um, up until our wedding I was on the night schedule. I worked at um. I would come in at dinnertime on a bus, um at uh five o'clock I would arrive at the property and that's when dinner was. We would eat and then right after dinner I would either go to work or I would go to do counseling or you do what's called study time at night, and then you work. Then we would work from basically 10 o'clock all the way until eight o'clock the next morning. We'd have a midnight rations at midnight and then we'd usually have maybe a little snack on the way out that everybody else's breakfast would be our end of the night snack and then um, and then we'd go to sleep from, let's say, um 9am ish until uh three or four o'clock, get up, get ready and then do that all over again.
Speaker 2:So yeah, but because you were on the night schedule, our paths didn't cross that much when. I first arrived.
Speaker 1:At dinnertime by the time I would see you it would be at dinner or because during the early 1990s there was a very big push from David Miscavige, who is the captain of the Sea Organization Captain David Miscavige and he had dictated that everyone had to go to study every single night because there had been Sea Org members that had been in the Sea Org 20 years and they hadn't even done any Scientology courses or any Scientology counseling. Because most Sea Org members in most locations, if the schedule, if there's a crunch in the schedule, the very first thing that does not get done is Sea Org members doing Scientology courses and counseling. That's the very first thing that's sacrificed is okay, you're not going to do any of that, you're going to do some more work. So this had been very, very heavily happening throughout the entirety of the 1980s, and so then there was a big push in the early 1990s that Sea Org members should do counseling and they should do all these things. Anyway, there were two courses that everybody had to do at the international headquarters. There was no exceptions. You had to do these two courses, and those two courses were the key to life and the life orientation course, and they took a forever, because if you're looking up 10,000 words in a dictionary and going through every single one and looking in these books and doing all this stuff, it takes a long time.
Speaker 1:If you're doing that for two and a half hours a day, also a lot of times on no sleep, you haven't slept the night before and or you're not sleeping a lot. Even if you are going to sleep, you're not sleeping. If you got six or seven hours of sleep in the seahorse, that is insanely high, that's like like a lot. Um yeah, just between travel time and and you have to get your uniform ready, and sometimes, if you don't have that many uniforms, you might have to wash your uniform that night and get it all dried up and ready for the next morning or have it set out to dry so in the morning you can put it on and walk in with it. So I was on these courses and Claire was a supervisor, so I would see her for a few hours a few days a week if I had to go on the course and study, because she was one of the people that would kind of walk around and make sure nobody was sleeping.
Speaker 2:And if somebody yawned, go over to them and be like let's do a spot check, which is where you just randomly start asking them like what's the definition of the word? Obvious. And then when they say the definition wrong, you say flunk, and then they have to read from that point. They have to clear the word and then read from that point forward. It was laborious, to put it mildly, and you reminded me, by the way, that the key to life course when you're not just looking up small common words in a regular dictionary there was a dedicated book that had been produced. That was literally like what? Four inches thick entire thing. But during the time you were on the key to life course, you were not allowed to read any other materials. You weren't even allowed to look in a a normal dictionary. You had to only use those materials. It was bizarre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I wasn't trying to turn this into a key to life.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1:But because I had to do these two courses and because they take months and months and months, and because there was a very heavy push on all Sea Org members going to study, if you didn't go to study, you wouldn't get paid. So there was a thing where, like, basically, there was a list of all the people that hadn't um studied for the week and that would be given to the payroll officer and your pay would get docked. So it not only did you sort of have to go and do it, um, if you just did, we're like, well, I'm not going to do it, I'm out of here. Um, then you wouldn't get paid. And we were being paid. Remember, when I said we were working 100 hours a week, we were being paid $46.28 a week because we were getting paid 50, but they had to take taxes on that. So we would get $46.28 a week and we would get it in cash. So it'd be usually it'd be two, 20s, a five, a one, and you would get the 28 cents.
Speaker 1:I never did, I didn would get the 28 cents. I never did. Well, I didn't get the 28 cents. Well, that's because later on, later on, um, they would have a thing where you could just donate to the birthday fund with the 28, so that the payroll officer wasn't having to handle all these coins as well as cash. It was just like just that goes into the birthday fund and if somebody had a birthday or something, we were supposed to get pizza out of that. I don't remember, in the history of the 15 years that I was there, remember anybody getting me a pizza out of the birthday fund, by the way, I don't know where that I don't ever remember that as a real thing.
Speaker 1:I remember the 28 cents was going somewhere, but it wasn't going to pizzas for me, Anyway it's.
Speaker 2:It was more appropriately the payroll officer slush fund, I believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway. So, regardless of all that, I spent many a night hanging out in the course room, and when you're doing a course with somebody, you say some stuff and they watch you while you're reading to make sure you're understanding it. There's all this stuff you're supposed to be watching for, and if they stumble while they're reading or any of these things, then you have to tell them okay, you got to go look up a word. Anyway, when you're sitting with somebody doing this for hours and hours, and a lot of times the other person's buried into the dictionary You're basically don't have anything to do, so I would just be clock. I'd be just be clocking this little, hot little redhead floating around the room, well, while this guy that I'm with supposed to be looking at words in it or whatever it is he's doing anyway. So I got to notice her over the while. And then I want to say there was a New Year's event. It was a New Year's event where we all had a New Year's off. Yes, that's right, that's right. So we went down to LA.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, we had gone down to LA and we went to the Shrine Auditorium. We had gone down to LA because, and we went to the shrine auditorium.
Speaker 1:Now you're mixing up stories. Right now we had a day off. Yeah, no, no, you're skipping ahead. Listen, guys, I got the memories here. We went, they had the day off.
Speaker 2:I'll prove to you afterwards that I know what I'm talking about but, I'll let you keep talking. For now, go right ahead. We had actually it was christmas that we had a day off.
Speaker 1:No, because no, I was gone for christmas that year, so we're we're now in december 1991. The day off was new year's day yes, there you go of 1992 and you and your friend came over to my dorm and they were looking for a guy that I used to hang out with, who claire had also had a little thing with as well, and which ended in a motorcycle crash yeah, and they were looking for that dude so that he could take them.
Speaker 2:Right, because we, because we had basically five hours off and we wanted to go to see a movie at the movie theater in Hemet, but we were not allowed to go by our ourselves, so we needed an escort and of course, my friend had a crush on your roommate, this guy, and so that's how we ended up at your door saying can he come? Is he here, can he?
Speaker 1:take it to the movies. What movie are you guys watching, anyway? So we slept through. I think it was Star Trek VI. I want to say, if you can, anybody can get out your Google Fi what year was this? This was 1992, right 1991.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was January 1992.
Speaker 1:Yeah, January 1992. Whatever Star Trek movie was floating around, we slept through that movie Like I don't remember. I don't remember a single frame of that movie, besides some end credits, because I fell asleep during the the previous. Okay, I fell asleep during the Coke and popcorn advert.
Speaker 2:Okay, I mean you put. You put any Sea Org member in a dark room and chances are more than 50% of them are going to fall asleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, there you go.
Speaker 2:Apostate. Alex says Google says it was Star Trek six. Yes, there you go, You're right. Thanks, Alex. We appreciate it. We do not recommend the movie, by the way. I mean, you know, no offense to Star Trek fans, but we slept through it.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay. So then after that then we kind of were on each other's radars after that and then we started to hang out at mealtimes, times like just hang out and talk or whatever. And then we went. There was a march 13th event that was in los angeles no, it was may 9th.
Speaker 2:It was may 9th event.
Speaker 1:that happened later, and on the way down we rode on the bus together, and on the way back it's a two-hour bus ride to Los Angeles and it's a two hour bus ride app back up anyway, and so we got to know each other a little more during those times.
Speaker 2:Through the process known as holding hands.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, now I have to tell you this guys in the C organization organization, you are not allowed to have any sort of relations unless you're married. So anything more than a little kiss or a little hold hand holding, that's it. And and as soon as somebody sees somebody getting a little frisky, everybody's ears go, everybody perks up a little bit and it's like extra, extra, extra attention on these ones. Because if you, if you have any sort of, if any parts touch any other parts, if any hands touch any parts, if any parts are interchanged without clothing, and even if there's clothing in between, it's a very, very easy RPF assignment. And the RPF is the Religious Rehabilitation.
Speaker 2:Project.
Speaker 1:Force and it's basically the Sea Orgs prison. And if you go to the RPF, the Rehabilitation Project Force, you most likely will never, ever come back to the international base. If you go to the, there used to be a Rehabilitation Project Force at the international headquarters but they disbanded it and then you would actually be sent to another location and the likelihood of you coming back is very minimal. Now they just kick them out of the Sea Org. If anybody does that, they just get rid of them. They don't even mess with it.
Speaker 1:But some of these people that are at you got to understand some of the people that have been at the base. It may have taken them 20 or 30 years to rise up the ranks of Scientology to get to that place. So some of these people have been in this. Some of these people have decades worth of knowledge about the sea organization and how it works and all this other nonsense, and so at the base it kind of was a little weird on things like that, because some of these people may have done something, but it was like we really need that person too.
Speaker 1:So sometimes they would mess around, get married very young and why divorce is very rampant in this organization. Yeah, exactly, and people will get married and then they'll be together and then one of them will go to the RPF and then that girl will get it, the husband will go to the RPF, and then the wife will just get a divorce and she could get married right away to somebody else next weekend. And there it was sort of like it didn't really matter if you were a boyfriend and girlfriend for a long time and you weren't married. You one of you was in or both of you was either ending up on the RPF or just getting kicked out of the sewer because everybody knew it's going on.
Speaker 1:We just got to yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you would be subject to frequent interrogations on the e-meter, uh, demanding to know what nefarious physical activities you've been up to. I mean nefarious, of course I'm being sarcastic. It's normal human nature.
Speaker 1:So I want to say at after that May 9th event it was like oh, we got to, we got to seal the deal here, because anything, anything further happens, we're going to be in the RPF. That's basically well, that happened. We got to that point by May. Going to be in the RPF, that's basically, uh, that happened, we got to that point by May. So then we tried to get married.
Speaker 2:My sister, who was younger than me by a year and a half or something like that.
Speaker 1:She's the same age as me, yeah, yeah. So she was getting married, um, in June or July, july, july. She was going to get married in July to her husband, tom, and I think he'd already been in at least one or two marriages already and he was maybe five to 10 years her senior.
Speaker 2:Yep. Um and we were going to do a double wedding. That's right.
Speaker 1:My sister was worked in golden air productions, her husband worked in golden air productions and both Claire and I worked at Productions, all as Sea Org members. Okay, claire's parents wouldn't sign off on Claire, and because she was 17 and I was 19, in order for us to get married in California, her parents had to approve it. And also because I think they had to sign some paperwork and, um, I don't know about that, I think my mom whatever she did she really had no control over me.
Speaker 2:She'd already signed over guardianship of me but out of respect I was, I wanted her to. You know, give her yay, go for it.
Speaker 1:Either way, she didn't sign off.
Speaker 2:No, but hold on. But no, it was worse than that, because, remember, we should cover this part of the story I just remembered. So my mom said well, you should ask your dad. And the joke there is, he's not my dad, he's my stepfather. He did adopt me when I was 10. But she would always shunt me to him when she didn't want to say no to me, because he then would say no. And so then I told Mark well, I have to ask my stepdad and I need to go visit, go get approval to go visit him to do that. And you were like, well, I'll go by myself, because I couldn't get approved to get off work.
Speaker 1:So you on, one of you had a day off, I was able to get a liberty because I basically couched it like hey, I'm getting married and I got to go meet this gal's parents and so I need to go down to Los Angeles for the day, and my statistics were up. You know I was doing pretty amazing. I want to say that this also happened not too long after I was being counseled by Tom Cruise, not too long after I was being counseled by Tom Cruise. So I sort of was getting a little bit extra special treatment because Tom Cruise had audited me and I couldn't go sideways. They didn't need me to go sideways, they needed me to keep me happy because that was going to be a problem if Tom Cruise's pre-clear was getting mixed up. So I was able to go on Liberty and I was able to go down to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1:And there's a van that drives between the international headquarters and Los Angeles several times a day and it's called the run. So if you needed to go to Los Angeles then you'd have to get up at a certain time and get to the property to be able to get onto the run. And sometimes if you knew the person who was going to be driving and you knew where they lived, you might be able to leave, get in the van at birthing and then just go to sleep in the van, and it would just go all the way and then you just wake up two hours later, like a time machine. Anyway. So I went down to Los Angeles on the run and her, I think her parents, I want to say her parents just picked me up from somewhere in LA and then we hung out all day or I got a ride there or something. I don't even remember how the logistics of how it all worked out, but I essentially spent the entire day with her family and her little brother and her two sisters, and I slayed it. Guys. I could have that. Her mom would have signed anything. I could have just put whatever I wanted in front of her, she would have signed off. I could have just put whatever I wanted in front of her, she would have signed up.
Speaker 1:We got it okayed, but this was now too late for us to be part of Los Angeles, because my family lived in Los Angeles. Besides my dad, who was not involved in Scientology, he lived in Nebraska at this time, and so my father would fly to Los Angeles. Claire's family lived in Los Angeles and my mother lived in Los Angeles, so it was just like we're going to have it in Los Angeles and my mother lived in Los Angeles, so it was just like we're going to have it in Los Angeles. So we both had, in order to do that, we both had to get special approval to leave the property for three or four days and go to Los Angeles and get married. And that took months, like from May to August. Like I want to say, we got the approval like the week before or maybe later, like it was days before the wedding that we actually were got approval to have a wedding and go and be able to leave the property and go to Los.
Speaker 2:Angeles. Right, because so we had to do, put together what's called completed staff work or CSW. What's called completed staff work or CSW, that had to be approved by approximately six people.
Speaker 1:At least all the way to the commanding officer of the Golden Arrow Collections organization.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it had to include that we would say how our positions were going to be covered and by who. In our absence, we had to have our statistics up and we also had to have finished a sec check, a security check, or also an interrogation on the e-meter. That was called a leave of absence sec check, in which you would. It was like gosh, I think like 20 questions, including like are you going to talk to anyone who's against Scientology? Do you have any plans to try and escape? You know all like just, and I'm sure that they added questions to like have you been up to any nonsense with Mr Mark over here?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, it was. It was basically a little mini interrogation of you're not going to do anything when you leave and you haven't done anything now that when you, when you get out of here, you're going to be like, oh forget it, I'm not coming back, I'm out of here. So we got through all that, we got everything approved. Now my mother I don't I'm I'm going to say this is what I'm assuming happened because we didn't send out invitations. The people that we knew were going to be coming would were our family. We didn't have, and no one from. We couldn't invite any of our friends at the international headquarters because then they would have to do all those same steps to be able to leave the property to come with us, and there's no reason to do any of that nonsense. Unless you're the person who's trying to get married, you're not going to somebody.
Speaker 1:I think there was a few people that we got approval from. We had to do another separate proposal where we need these people just to come on the run in the morning, be there and then come back that night, and then there would be other international-based Sea Org members with all these people so they could kind of keep an eye on each other and that was the Reverend, the guy who married us, the minister who married us. We had to get approval for him to come, and then my sister came, and then I think, I don't think anybody else from the international headquarters was there besides those two people, my sister and the Reverend. If there was, we'll point them out?
Speaker 2:I think yeah. I think there was a couple of other people who happened to be in LA for some reason and who came, but it was not like yeah. I mean we had no say in who was going to be invited. It was handled by your mom and my mom. Yeah, completely Like they didn't even ask us who they were. Yeah, we didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, we didn't do anything on the wedding. Nothing. Claire had to try and address and I had to try in a tuxedo, that was it. We didn't make any of the plans. Had to try on a tuxedo, that was it. We didn't make any of the plans. We didn't set the menu, we didn't pick the venue, we didn't pick the music. We had nothing to do with anything. We showed up for this wedding that was ours. Okay, that's how much we like.
Speaker 1:I don't even I remember getting there and being like so where is it going to be? Like when we got there, like, so where is this thing going to be? Where are we? Where do we have to go to go to this? And and it was sort of like um, it's funny now that we've been to other weddings and we've seen like I don't think. I think I attended one single wedding, um, before my own wedding, and that was my cousin's weddings that live here and I and it was the year before our wedding and that was the only wedding I'd ever been to, I think in my life. I can't remember.
Speaker 2:We went to Stephanie's wedding.
Speaker 1:Well, my sister's wedding, but that was a month before but I'm saying like real world, real world weddings. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever been to a real wedding in the outside world. Yeah, A Sea Org wedding. You'll see it's very well. I mean that's good enough for us to do it. Right, we can show it now, so we'll get to the wedding.
Speaker 1:We can say what happened afterwards after Okay, perfect, yeah, okay, guys, this is it. We're going to do it. Let me see if I can, if it plays. Okay, we turned the audio. We'll turn the audio down because it's not, yeah, the audio is awful.
Speaker 1:The video was shot by my mom's friend who used to be the apartment manager of our video of our building. And so I want to say my mom, because my mom knew both of the AV people. So she arranged to give us this video of our wedding and some, uh, hired a photographer, a Scientology photographer, to take pictures. Okay, so that's me in the middle, um, that is a SeaWorld member from celebrity center, and that was my dad on the corner. That's my mom in the blue dress. I don't know who that person that just walked by is. Those are some people that I used to.
Speaker 2:I know who she was Her name was yeah, her name was Kira. She worked for my stepdad at the Scientology Mission in Beverly Hills. Okay so she was a friend of my family, basically. And there's your dad.
Speaker 1:That's my dad, that's me in the middle, and then that's a Sea Org member from the Celebrity Center. So our wedding took place at the Celebrity Center in Los Angeles, california, and they had just renovated it so that there was a garden, a glass garden pavilion out here, and then there, this whole area here used to be called the gully, and it was basically a giant drainage ditch that was left over from a long ago stream that used to run through this area, and I used to play in here as a small child. I lived right across the street from the celebrity center as a as a young boy, and so I used to actually play in this thing called the gully, and I I ended up getting six, six or seven stitches in my leg in the exact spot where we got married, like 10 years before that, anyway. So so that's my dad, that's a CEO member. Is it playing? Yeah, okay, good, it's playing, yep.
Speaker 1:And then that's my sister right there. That's just turned around. That's the cure. Blue is my mom, and those are some guys that I used to live with when I was a kid in Hollywood. That was Paul Schoble's wife, kathy, kathy, kathy Schoble and the Paul Schoble Right there on the right.
Speaker 2:Pause it for a second. Yeah, pause it right there. Okay, so the woman with the dark hair on the right, that's Maria Ferrara, who's still, to this day, to my knowledge, works at Celebrity Center and handles a lot of their public relations type matters, and that, I believe, is her daughter that she's sitting with.
Speaker 1:So they're both in the Sea Org. I don't know any of these people that are sitting in those chairs Not one single. There was a lot of people here that were either your family's friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those people with the little boy were friends of my mom and my stepdad.
Speaker 1:This is a very high quality wedding video, by the way, as far as yeah, just be grateful you're not hearing the sound.
Speaker 2:We'll fill in for you.
Speaker 1:So here is the sound is absolutely abominable.
Speaker 1:Here's my dad and my mom and my brother, jet, in the middle there the little guy and then my mother's boyfriend, dan, and then there's a whole seating area of people that we don't know. That's me, the lady, the, the seer member from celebrity center. Oh, this is a part, great part. I'm going to be like oh, let me look, I'll put my glasses on, let me see this. And, uh, I go to put my glasses on and there's no lens in there. There's like the lens had popped out. Right now we're looking at something. Okay, there's a whole bunch of people we don't know. Um, there's my brother. Okay, now, this is like the munchkin brigade in here too, because the best man is my brother and was this guy right here my sister was your maid of honor maid of honor yep and that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the wedding party, that's it. Her other, yeah, well, her other, yeah. My siblings, yeah, you'll see my siblings come out.
Speaker 2:They were part of it too. But yeah, I think the the minister was, by a long shot, the oldest person and I was the second when we get to that part. You were the second oldest then. Stephanie and I and the rest were kids.
Speaker 1:My sister, stephanie, is the maid of honor. That's me, and then that's Paul Schoble, the minister. Now I'm going to tell you something. It's August. This took place on August, is it 22nd? Is when this was August 22nd. That's Joan. That's the Scientology photographer. She comes into play much later, as in a crazy story, so it's hot as hell. It's in Los Angeles, in the city, in Hollywood, and that's Joan the photographer. And it's about, I'm going to say it's in the 90s, at least At least in the 90s. Okay, there's all getting ready. There's my brother. Okay, I don't know if they put music on, let's forget.
Speaker 2:No, they didn't start it yet.
Speaker 1:Is that Darius?
Speaker 2:Maybe, yeah, I think, oh, yeah, it is, he was there, that's right. I remember that now he was there.
Speaker 1:Okay, there's my brother. He's going to be the best man and he is going to not cooperate throughout this entire wedding with anything that anybody wants him to do at any time. They want him to do it, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he's got a ring.
Speaker 1:He's got a ring to give and a toast to give and that added an extra hour to the wedding to get him to do those two things. That's my brother. His name is Jet J-E-T-T. He's a half brother. We have the same mom, but his dad is the dude the tall, balding head and my dad is the other dude right there, the one standing next to my sister and my mom. Okay, and that's is that Claire's sister? Is that your sister, becky, right there hanging off? Oh yeah, yep, so in the flowery dress that's is that claire's sister.
Speaker 2:Is that your sister becky, right there hanging off? Oh yeah, yep, so in the flowery dress. That's my youngest sister, becky. Who is that? All three of my siblings are half siblings same mom, different dad and I. I raised these kids as if they were my own, like from. I looked after them from noon until midnight most days of the week from when they were my own. Like from. I looked after them from noon until midnight most days of the week from when they were two, but for Becky, from when she was six weeks old. So there's my mom in the blue behind your mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and my mom is the one who picked all this music and she had like a, she had a giant lady heart on for, uh, the robin hood soundtrack. So I think just all the songs were from robin hood with kevin possum yeah, brian adams, I remember that.
Speaker 2:Uh, that song was definitely prominently featured, and, again, not by our choice, but you know we had very limited time. This is my brother, robbie, coming now with the ring, the ring too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's the ring bearer, and and yeah and um and jet was the best man that's right yeah yeah, and then that's your sister, kirsten, there on the stairs just about to come, yep and becky's just about to come with her, and then they've got the sea, or the celebrity Sea. Org members are the ones wrangling. So when you have a wedding at the Celebrity Center, scientologists have weddings there all the time and they actually use this for fake weddings. There's a TV show I can't remember the guy's name, patrick. He was in the show the 4400. He was in the show the 4,400. He was on some other show and him and his wife in the show got married in the exact same place we did here at Celebrity Center.
Speaker 1:So, Scientology rented out as a shoot location as well. And so you just tell them we want to do a wedding and it's just like a package thing, and they go okay, you're going to, we'll do it by the fountain and we'll do drinks for a hundred people. We'll do it by the fountain and we'll do drinks for 100 people. And oh, by the way, drinks in Scientology, that's Martinelli's apple cider. That's what's in those glasses there I'm pretty sure yeah, no alcohol. No alcohol.
Speaker 2:This is my little sister Becky.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right now we're hearing everything I do. I do it for money. Yeah, Catherine said everything I do, I do it for the Sea Org. Lol. This is August 1992, guys, so I don't know when Robin Hood came out, but I do know that if I was anywhere near my mom and her car during those years, then we were listening to some Robin Hood soundtrack. My mom is a big fan of soundtracks, that's my sister, stephanie, and she just got married a month before at the exact same place.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then it's going to. It's going to go pretty quick here, guys, because this is a C wedding.
Speaker 2:We're not messing around with a lot of nonsense here, no, and we'll circle back around and just kind of give the exact timeline, because I think it's impactful to do so. So here I am with my stepdad, Hugh Witt. And just for context, I think it's worth mentioning that this man is the person who was named in the defense of the Danny Masterson trial to counter my expert witness testimony. This man walking down, walking me down the aisle process that and that was Joan who walked in front of the.
Speaker 1:I want to keep making sure everybody keeps their eyes on Joan, because she comes up later on.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Somebody said why wasn't alcohol served at your wedding Once a witness. Because in Scientology if you drink alcohol you're not allowed to get any Scientology counseling within 24 to 48 hours of that. You just it's a kind of a rule in Scientology that you don't drink alcohol or do any kind of drugs or medical drugs before you get counseling, because the Hubbard yeah, yeah, Let me address this.
Speaker 2:Freya Mind says how can staff afford a wedding, a dress, etc. Do you have to pay for the venue? So my mother paid for the venue. My grandmother from England had sent me a wedding gift of 200 pounds and that's what I used to buy that dress.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I rented a tuxedo for $9999 and that was all my pay for that wiped out.
Speaker 2:And your dad, Bernie, loaned us $400 and took us to the jewelry district in downtown LA the night before to get rings to get rings.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. So we really maybe saved up and spent a hundred bucks or so to to a few hundred bucks or so. Now, listen, this is the great part, okay. So remember when I said it's August. So this whole time that me and the um, the minister, paul, we've been standing out there for like an hour in the hot sun, so we're dripping by this time and Paul is wearing a very light blue collared minister shirt and these gray slacks and as part of this ceremony, it's called the two ring ceremony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pause it. Pause it when we get, when you've explained this part and and cause I I'll read the section that's that's happening there. We're not going to read the whole it's called the double ring ceremony but that this particular part is worth mentioning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's my brother and there's me and there's Claire and there's Paul, the minister, and there's my dad in the background, in the background off to the side between Claire and my sister, and then my stepdad, or my mom's boyfriend, dan, is over there, and then there's Claire's brother, robbie.
Speaker 1:Anyway, as part of the ceremony, the minister is supposed to hold up these rings in the air and say imagine, if you will, a triangle that forms between these rings in the air. And and say, imagine, if you will, a triangle that forms between these rings anyway. But when he lifts his arm arms up, he has about 72 gallons of sweat dripping out of each of his uh, his pits, okay, and you can see he's already starting to get a little drippy in that little, a little waterfall back, crack waterfall starting to fire up in the back there. But as soon as he lifts up, the only thing I could think about is you've got to be kidding me, because we can see him right there. But that's what everybody else behind us is seeing is just seeing a dude who is perspiring in front of us. He might even expire with the amount of liquid that poured out of him, but we're trying to get the rings out Trevon says we don't want the details, mark.
Speaker 1:Trying to get the rings out of Robbie. There we did that Boosh right there.
Speaker 2:There we go and wait till it zooms in on our faces and you'll see we're like oh my gosh, just hold your cool, mark, don't do it.
Speaker 1:Don't do it, just keep it cool.
Speaker 2:I'm like look away, look away.
Speaker 1:Just, just just. We're going to power through this. It's funny. Yeah, look up at the rings. Don't look at those sweaty pits. Just look up at those rings. Not any of the pits. Those rings, not any of the pits. Yeah, don't look at the pits. Yes, everybody else can see those pits, but we're not going to focus on that. It's not going to ruin the wedding. They're shooting the video from behind. No one will ever know about the pits Sweaty pits. Yeah, it was horrible. It was so horrible. It was literally like this is embarrassing, embarrassing. This dude's really sweating it out now we're gonna I'm gonna, we're gonna trade the rings here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I I tell them he asked me some stuff. I told him back some stuff. Um, there you go, there you go oh my gosh yeah, I do, yeah, I do, I do, I still do, I still do. 32 years later still doing it. Yeah, what about you? Yeah, here we go, she's going to do it too. I was 19 years old at this time. I just turned 19 in May, and Claire was 17 in this picture 17 and 19.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:He didn't have a suit jacket, because it was a hundred degrees that day and he would have. He would have melted for sure. If I mean he was dripping with just a regular shirt and I don't think he had it I want to say he didn't even have an undershirt on. He had his little dog collar thing under that but um, yeah, so, um yeah, it's pretty good here. Let's see, um yeah, oh, here it goes. You guys are gonna see it. Oh, see it, oh, a jackpot, um oh my gosh anyway.
Speaker 1:So now here's a crazy story, guys, while we're listening to this. When we left, uh donna just said uh donna, w just said how are you able, hey, show it, how are you able to keep a copy of this? I know that you blew with just a few photos. Well, after we escaped from scientology in 2005, january of 2005, um, I did so with the help of police. Yay, the wedding happened. Um, there goes. Now we're going to do this. Um, they actually sent us um a whole bunch of bankers' boxes of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which we'll cover that story in more detail another day.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 2:A whole other craziness.
Speaker 2:But a summary, to say the short version, is that of all of our belongings that they did send to us, which we received three months after we'd escaped. So we did get most of our belongings back, with a few important exceptions, one of them being our wedding video that allegedly had just vanished. I asked Kirsten 6.0, also known as Kirsten Catano several times I demanded our wedding video, and it was just lost. So we did not have this until three years ago An extended family member passed away and it turned out that my mother had sent this person a copy of this video, and that's how we have it today that's right.
Speaker 1:Well, as part of the deal, um, the person who filmed this for my mother as part of our wedding gift was um to make copies and send it to all the different family members. So we did get a copy, but a bunch of other people. That is definitely Darius, by the way, oh, and that's Chris Currier and that's Michael Coleman and that's Lauren Igo. These are all students that I knew from Delphi. My mom must have invited I do. I did not even remember that those people were there. We should have put up a little thing to say of all these people who've done hate videos against us. That would have been fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, we can focus on that during the photo section, when we get to that part.
Speaker 1:I was going to say we can keep it positive and not go into that.
Speaker 2:Claire's like no we're going to light them up later in the video. No, we should. You know what? It highlights the evil practice of Scientology disconnection. To just show how many of our family members are pawns for OSA right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the other funny thing was is that their videos, that some of the videos they talk about us being evil before this, OK. So then there was a little reception afterwards. I mean, we're, this is pretty much real time. Okay, we're, it's not. There's not a lot of editing that went into this video. This person was pushing stomp and record. That was that's the editing we got. And then, yeah, so all the food, whatever this was our parents paid for it. Ooh, that's Carrie. So all the food, whatever this was our parents paid for it. Ooh, that's Carrie. That was KJ in that picture, right there.
Speaker 2:Oh really, Yep Wow.
Speaker 1:So this is the line afterwards.
Speaker 1:Most of these people in this line I am meeting for the first time. I've never met them I don't know who they are besides my immediate family, claire's immediate family and I guess a few of those um, um, uh, friends that came from Delphi. Um, okay, so that's the fountain down there. That's actually right. Where I got those stitches was in that exact location. Where I was standing was where I uh, punctured a giant hole in my leg and had to get stitches. Um, there's my brother taking some pictures. We're going to actually see these pictures. Now.
Speaker 1:This is another crazy story. The woman that my mother hired to take the pictures was a Scientology photographer that I used to work for four years maybe three or four years before this, in 1988, I used to be her assistant and when she would go to photo shoots, I would carry around this little step stool for her and um and another camera bag or something, and so I actually worked for her and made money as a kid when I was living on my own Um, and then she ended up being the photographer at my wedding. She ended up being the photographer at my wedding and, as, whatever the deal was that my mom made with her, she gave us 25 photos from what, how many hundreds of photos she took this day.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and, and actually Vanessa Belmain, in the pink dress right there, had said that her wedding gift to us was going to be to pay for these photos. Yes, but then that never happened, and so I think it was like three weeks after our wedding, we received like 30 snapshot, like four by six printouts of some of these photos and we were told oh yeah, if you want the rest, it's going to be $2,000. Well, as we've covered extensively, we would receive $46 a week if we were lucky, and $2,000 was absolutely impossibly out of the question.
Speaker 1:So we never got any of the photos we just had until well, we had 25, four by six or four by eight or whatever it is pictures of the wedding, that's it. That's all we ever had of our wedding when we. This happened years ago, I don't want to say exactly when. This is just my mom hanging out with her friends and the lady videoing this is one of her friends. I don't know any of these people at all. Anyway, a few years ago that, oh, by the way, when we left Scientology, I wanted to find out if we could get ahold of this woman and get all those pictures, but she had passed away.
Speaker 1:The photographer, joan. Her name was Joan Tortolo and she had passed away. So the photos, the negatives, they were gone forever. No one's ever going to find those. This woman shot for many, many years as a photographer. I doubt there was even any way anybody would know to find how. I don't even know how you'd get those photos. At this point I don't know what her filing system was, if it was by dates or projects or whatever.
Speaker 2:Anyway, a few years and by this time it was 20, at least I think, 24, 25 years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one day we got an anonymous envelope that was all of the negatives that this, that photographer, shot at our wedding some how crazy is that that and that we, to this day we don't know who it was.
Speaker 1:They didn't tell, they didn't give us any. Uh, it was there's no return at. It was just a, an anonymous letter saying I think you, I think you might find these interesting, and here you go. And it was just all of the negatives of our wedding. So now we have all the pictures that the woman took that day.
Speaker 2:It was mind-boggling, absolutely mind-boggling.
Speaker 1:We'll show you some of them at the end of this. Okay, so then we oh yeah, this is the part where he's just supposed to say, hey, ding, ding, ding and give a toast. He's the best man, so he has to do the best man toast. Anyway, this just goes on and on and on. He doesn't really. I mean, look at the sun right now. That's how long this goes on. It's almost sunset. It's almost sunset, and also the camera changes angles like 47 times because he looks like he's just about to do it. He's got the spoon. We're saying you just tap that. And then you say, hey, I'd like to give a toast. And then you say yippee, yippee, kaye, or flippy, dippy, ding, dong, or whatever, and he just could never do the tappy, tap, tap part to then do the next part. And and people are like, hey, man, this is Martinelli's, we're not like. This is not really that that serious of a toast here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like nothing. Nothing crazy is going to happen here.
Speaker 1:Up, drop the fork or the spoon. That's done. We got to do that. Your brother's picked it up. He's like I think I'm going to take this.
Speaker 2:This is this is what you get for having uh children as the wedding party they were cuties, don't mind me, I'm just gonna think, oh yeah, I'll do it here.
Speaker 1:Look, bitch poof, I'll say you're supposed to do it. Some I don't know who was like this is a like. I don't know, I didn't know any of the uh things that were going on, so I'm just like can we? Why do we? Why are we doing this? He's not gonna do it. And um, and everyone's like no, no, no, you have to do this. There's like there's certain customs that you have to do, and this is one of them. And it's like, well, if the best man doesn't want to do it and he doesn't understand it, then we could be here all night. Okay Now, remember when I was saying it was sunset, yet the sun has gone over.
Speaker 1:Okay, now it's after that. Okay, there's lights are coming on. Okay, lights are are coming on. Um, and everyone who knows my brother is trying. That's his dad trying to say hey, do this and this and this. And he literally every person who would tell him something. He would look at them and he would smile and then do nothing. And this he's now, he's pouring it. He's like let me do this. And people, this is what's been back here the whole time, the whole time.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Is this kid going to do it? And yeah, it's. It never stopped. Oh my God, is that Dave Pettit right there? I don't know who that is standing there, but I think he was like a big. Is he going to do it? Is he going to do it? Oh my God, he still didn't do it. People are already like I'm taking the sip. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 2:They're like we're out, we're out.
Speaker 1:And then he finally does it. There he goes. He just says have a wedding everybody. That's what he ended up saying, I think here, let's, we'll see. We waited for all that payoff. Let's just see where it Woo, all right, you want to do it? Yeah, have a great wedding everyone. Yeah, so, so.
Speaker 2:Trevon asked if there's a way to clean up the audio.
Speaker 1:No, this is the cleaned up audio.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had to set up a render cluster in order to render the audio effects on this, and even then it was just, it was abominable. It was. There's a giant street that runs right behind those palm trees and those bushes over there, which is called Franklin Avenue, and it is a major thoroughfare in Los Angeles and it was moving. So there's cars, just thousands of cars, driving by right over there, and then there is a super, super, super loud waterfall. That's right next to where all this is taking place. So all you hear is traffic and waterfall. That's it. So it's too many. Too many frequencies of that are all the same to get rid of any of them. Um, so, yes, there you go. Now we cut the cake. It's getting dark. We uh, we had an extra 45 minutes on the toasts activities, so things are off schedule.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's Steve List in the background holding my sister.
Speaker 1:Awesome. I think this was supposed to be like a. This was all supposed to take place at sunset the cake cutting and the photos and all that stuff and the toast jackknifed everything cutting and the photos and all that stuff and the toast um jackknifed everything. We did end up taking a bunch of photos right after the ceremony, before a bunch of this Um, and I think a lot of the photos are during that time Um and then um.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is just a bunch of more people that we don't know. Um and then um, some of our family. There's a lot of I do now that I'm seeing this again. There's a lot of Sea Org members from Celebrity Center and that might've worked at the base, who might've been stationed in LA on a project or something, that are kind of floating around um in this, in this stuff here, and then also some of those people from, uh, delphi, los Angeles, los Angeles, that I went to school with, and I think some of those people had just graduated or were just graduating from Delphi and I'm getting married, so some of them were still in school when this wedding took place that I was in the same grade as or the same grade with, so yeah, proto.
Speaker 2:Man asked if there were any celebrities at the wedding. Definitely not.
Speaker 1:No, no, there was no. At this point, the only celebrity that I knew was Kirstie Alley and Tom Cruise, and there was no way I would have had any way to invite them or any facility to invite them to my wedding from some random Sea Org member. They met a few times.
Speaker 2:I had met John Travolta at Celebrity Center, but he was not there that day, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is not a Sea Org. In the Sea Org, even that we were doing a wedding and we were doing it in Los Angeles and we worked at the base, was not normal. It was not a very routine occurrence and something like that would happen If you got married. A normal wedding that would take place at the base would be doing some paperwork and getting a marriage thing and if you wanted to, like after dinner one day, you could have a bunch of people get together and you could do a little quickie ceremony and then that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so let me just give a timeline real quick. So Thursday 8 pm, we left the headquarters and we went on the run to Los Angeles. Friday morning, you got your suit rental, I got my wedding dress, then, um, your dad drove us to downtown LA and we got our rings.
Speaker 1:So the jewelry Thursday night is when it started.
Speaker 2:Yeah, friday we got it. We got the dress, we got the suit, we got the rings. Friday at around around 6 to 7 pm, your dad, bernie, drove us both to Las Vegas. We got there around 11 pm and we went to the courthouse and by midnight just before midnight we got our wedding license. And then they told us oh, do you want the short version or the long version? And we said the short version. So we went to some random minister in brown pants within some shady chapel.
Speaker 1:It's an office right there in the courthouse. They have a little thing and they just go um, no, no, they do a little thing there, but then we went to a chapel after that. Yeah Right, yep, but also this is like you know, Friday night at like one, but then we went to a chapel after that in.
Speaker 2:Vegas, right, yeah, but also this is like Friday night at like 1 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the end of the video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. And then we went and got some pizza and your dad drove us back to LA that Friday night. So we got back to LA around 6 am. So now it's Saturday. We had got a few hours of sleep. I went and got my hair done at sheer perfection, which was the hairdresser right by the complex, the big blue buildings in Los Angeles. Yes, and then we went to celebrity center. What's that?
Speaker 1:I remember sheer perfection. You, you know that woman who I want to say the woman that owns that is not a Scientologist anymore, but she still has that thing right there. I don't know if it's still there. They're still open.
Speaker 2:I think it is. I think it is. I'll have to look.
Speaker 1:Is it Lynn? Is that her name? Yes, yes, lynn, from sheer perfection.
Speaker 2:Yes, Anyhow. So we left Thursday night, Friday night, Friday all day. We got the clothes, we got the rings, we drove to Vegas that night, got the license, did the ceremony, drove back to LA Saturday. This was the ceremony at Celebrity Center that we've just shown you. That night my mother had paid for us to stay one night in the hotel at Celebrity Center and then the next day, Sunday, I had to go back to work. So that was our timeline.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we had, I mean we we had it was hours, basically it was hours of from when we were left the property to when we had to come back. We had to do all of that in about a two day time period and get back. And when we got back, now if you're in a C organization, if you get married, so up until this point, claire lived in a dorm with some other females and I lived in a dorm with a whole bunch of other males, and the way that the apartments were where we lived in Hemet, california, we both lived at what was what was the kirby gardens on kirby street in hemet, which is about a 15 minute bus ride to the international headquarters, and we had trying to think we had my room. Uh, the way the apartments were laid out was there was two bedrooms and a living room and usually there was two people or four people in each bedroom and they shared a bath and they shared one of those rooms sometimes had its own bathroom in it, and then there were two or four people in the living room.
Speaker 1:So you could have a two bedroom apartment that may have up to 16 people in it and on a good day, there was only two people in each room and you'd only have six. You'd only have six people in there. So you only have five roommates sharing um two little teeny bathrooms, the teeniest of teeniest bathrooms, and um and so, um, I think I want to say I had, uh, I shared my dorm with like four or five other people, and Claire's dorm was four or five other people. There was one girl who had just escaped, like a week or two before we got married, that lived with Claire. So there was only one.
Speaker 2:So we had an open bed.
Speaker 1:So we had.
Speaker 2:Right at that moment, I was in one room that had its own bathroom with two other women, and then the other room that had the hallway bathroom usually had three women, or maybe it was two women, I can't remember and one of them had just escaped and one of them had just escaped, so, so so you got real creative. Oh, and we had been told before we went on the wedding, by the way, that there were no available couples birthing, so we'd have to go on the wait list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there were many people on this wait list to get that were married but didn't have a room together, so they had to sleep in separate places and they weren't allowed. If you were a female, you're not allowed to go to a men's dorm and vice versa. There's no intermixing. That's like no way. You're not like. You stand at the door, literally. If you went in, it would be like whoop, big, big trouble anyway. So we got back to the. She had to go back to work on Sunday. So I was like, well, I'm just going to go up there and I'll get our stuff ready, I'll figure out what we're going to do, where we're going to stay and um, Mark was going to have none of it, being on no wait list.
Speaker 2:Believe me.
Speaker 1:Didn't Kathy Medina escape a few weeks ago? Wasn't that her name? Or Laura Medina, Laura?
Speaker 2:was it.
Speaker 1:Laura no no, no, okay, yeah, maybe anyway, was dave, medina's ex-wife, who was the one who blew okay or somebody blew. Okay, how about that? Somebody that lived in claire's birthing had escaped and left, so I just took the girl that was in her room and moved her into the, the girl that blues room that escaped two women or two women, I think I moved one into the girl that blew's room, that escaped the two women.
Speaker 1:The two women, I think. I moved one into the living room and one into that other room. Like when they left that day they didn't know they were moving, and when they came home that night they done got moved and so I had-.
Speaker 2:Which became the topic of a fair number of knowledge reports, mind you.
Speaker 1:Not for neither of us.
Speaker 1:Remember how I told you it's illegal to go into a female dorm if you're a male, and vice versa? Well, I was living in a female dorm now. So there was one bedroom of a female dorm that was a couple's room, and then there were four women, or three women, that were in there and I argued no, no, this is not a female dorm, this is a couple's dorm. There are females living in a couple's dorm. And the thing I knew is that there was another girl that lived in that apartment that was just about to get married. So I said if you move those other girls out and move the guy in, I just created a couple's dorm and you can boot the girl in the living room out as well, and then that way, we don't have to deal with any of that.
Speaker 2:And so you can thank me later. I just shrunk your wait list with ingenuity driven by need and that is exactly how it went.
Speaker 1:They moved the other girls out and the girl that was about to get married just stayed in her room and then when her husband and her got married, he just moved in and I was like you're welcome, everybody, Thank you, and I actually. There was a lot of yelling and screaming and people losing their mind, but in the end nothing happened and we had a room. When she got off work that day, we had a room, so I was a busy little bee that day.
Speaker 2:Okay now, yeah, you even jerry-rigged a surround sound system like an early day surround sound system under the bed, remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was very, very thrown together. No, there was no official stickers on this thing. Okay, so should we show those pictures now? So remember when we said we got those pictures, yes, let me just get it in viewer mode here and the pictures we're going to show you.
Speaker 2:these are the 30 that we were, the ones that we originally had. That we were the ones that we originally had. These are not the negatives, but the ones that we physically had that we then got high-res scans done of them to clean them up as best as we could, but yes, we're ready.
Speaker 1:Cool, All right so that's my sister Kirsten. I'm not sure why it's doing it like that, because that's not what I have up there.
Speaker 2:Let me see if there's a way to. You're on seven FYI Seven.
Speaker 1:Seven. Oh, you mean picture seven? Yeah, no, I don't. Yep, it's Figuring it out here, guys, here I'm just going to put it up and we'll just go through it. However it uh, is it going through? So, yeah, see, this is not what I have. Um, here we'll do this again. Guys, Sorry about this, we're having a little. Uh, we thought, I thought it had it all figured out.
Speaker 2:BTs activate.
Speaker 1:Oh, there it is. Now I got it. Come on. Yeah, I think it took so long for us to get to this, I didn't know what to do. Okay, so this is. That's Vanessa Stoller and her associate.
Speaker 2:She's my sister's godmother and, weirdly, she used to be my stepdad's fiance. But whatever she's, you didn't know that she's married to Michael Stollers, who's a lawyer that does Scientology's dirty work. And the woman on the right is Kira, who was staff at the Beverly Hills Scientology Mission, which was just the small franchise that would bring in new people.
Speaker 1:Cool Vanessa.
Speaker 2:And again, I don't understand To this day. I don't understand why she's in this picture and not my mother. But whatever it is what it is.
Speaker 1:That's true. There's no pictures. Well, maybe we haven't gone through them all.
Speaker 2:There are later. This is my stepdad, that's mark's mom, in the middle, with bernie on the left and dan on the right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bernie, mark's dad the tall guy is dan and the shorter guy is my dad, bernie, and that's my mother in the middle, trudy or gertrude and b and Bernie is the only immediate family member that that we have not lost to Scientology. He lived with us for a long time.
Speaker 2:We did, yeah, but he is the only immediate family that we had.
Speaker 1:If you've read my book. That's where we went. When we got out, we went to my where my dad lived, in Lee's summit.
Speaker 2:Missouri, yeah, and so go back for a minute. So from this photo Mark's mom in the center. She's featured on the hate site and has done hate POW videos against us.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, and yeah, we'll bring up anybody else as we go.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:That's.
Speaker 2:Paul.
Speaker 1:Schoble and myself.
Speaker 2:Paul. Schoble rest in peace, he passed away.
Speaker 1:He was a very cool dude that worked at the international headquarters. This is the guy that we had to get approval to come down and do the ceremony.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he had kidney disease, I think, and so they shipped him back to Australia so that he could get free healthcare there, and that's where he passed away.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This is my sister, kirsten, who has disconnected from me since 2005. She's now married and I think she has two children as of now. She's now married and I think she has two children as of now. Um, this is becky, my youngest sister. Um, becky has disconnected from us. She's married and I think she has two or three children now that's my brother chet.
Speaker 1:um, he is, uh, he's like a middle-aged dude now, I guess, and, um, and he also is disconnected from us. He lives, I want to say he lives in Florida.
Speaker 2:Last I heard he's a computer, uh, something technology guy. All right, and then so this is Kirsten on the left, Becky in the middle, Robbie on the right. Robbie has also done a hate POW video on behalf of Scientology. That's on our Scientology tax exempt dollars funded hate site.
Speaker 1:Claire for any amount of time, I mean over the years. He might see her for a few hours here and there once a year or twice a year, and somehow he had enough information based on his extensive knowledge from when he was a toddler.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean he was, yeah, so he. When I joined this organization, Kirsten was six, Robbie was four, Becky was two. Just for context.
Speaker 1:There's another picture.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's Kirsten Robbie. And again, this is my stepdad. Did he do a hate?
Speaker 1:video.
Speaker 2:My stepdad has also done a POW hate video and, as I mentioned earlier, he was going to testify on behalf of the defense in the Danny Masterson trial to counter my expert witness testimony. He did not end up showing up, which is good because he knows absolutely nothing about the inner workings of Scientology. He never even knew physically where I worked for 14 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right across the street from the picture back there, that's Franklin Avenue. You can see that used to be. That Looks like there's a I don't know what kind of restaurant that is. That's there, but that used to be called the Wine Room. And on the corner there there used to be a really cool place called, uh, two dollar bills, back in the the late 70s, and then it was radion. Then it was uh, it was a whole bunch of things, but radion and two dollar bills were the coolest places. It was in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1:Um, okay, there you go. A little bit of hollywood history there for you. Um, you know what's really funny is. So this is the woman up up on the top of the stairs. That's the woman, janet, who shot the video for us, um, as a present. And the, the girl that's back there, um, I, her name is emily, and emily was being the assistant for the photographer, holding the stool in the camera bag is what the job I used to do for that same photographer, whatever three or four years before this. There's Hugh hate video, hugh. And then there's Paul. Now you can see what he looked like. Oh my gosh, is there a picture from this angle of the sweaty pits?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. Not that you can see, I don't know. I think I'd remember if there was one. I don't think so. Not that you can see, I don't know. I think I'd remember if there was one, I don't think so Probably the person taking the photo from that angle.
Speaker 1:It is. You can barely see through Claire's veil. The photographer has cleverly disguised sweaty pits on my side with me, but on Claire's side I bet you in those negs. We could pull up. We got to get those negs processed, scanned, or whatever, yeah, we do, we do. Okay, and then there we are. It's about to happen, we're about to get in there and get some of that Shkadoo. Yeah, look at my brother, he's like man. And then here's Claire with her sister. That's a nice picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I was, uh, a wee last mom, my mom hate video done, hate video right? Yep, definitely their hate.
Speaker 1:That's their both of claire. Both of them have done hate videos yep both of them have done hate videos, yep, but you know what? That's why I'm here today. So you know, look at that everybody. Look, just look, just look straight at the camera, babe, and smile, no smile. With some teeth, we got you got to match that one.
Speaker 2:It's pretty good, okay. Well, I'm like it's been a minute, honey, it's look just the same to me, babe.
Speaker 1:There we are. There's all my classmates, my former classmates, in the background, my dad, right between us. There you go. This is much higher quality than the, than the video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this gives a better idea. I'm still glad that we have the video. Whatever, this gives a better idea I'm still glad that we have the video, whatever, but OK, so here we have Bernie on the right. Trudy has done hate videos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then that's obviously. That's us in the middle. I know people are like that's not how I expected Claire's mom to look. Yeah, no, claire doesn't look anything like her mother. There's a whole bunch of Irish in there and Claire got the full brunt of it no-transcript Okay. There's a picture with your parents, yeah, and then there's one with more videos yeah, becky and kirsten, I'm well I, that's okay.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say that out loud I love them dearly.
Speaker 1:I hope they didn't do any videos. They didn't do um knock on wood brother did, but your brother did that's wild, um, by the way, wild thing. When we were married, claire's parents lived in los angeles, in a, in a suburb of los angeles called lacrosse, and um, they have, uh, since moved to clearwater florida, and I want to say that your brother also lives in florida, but, um, buten and Becky do not live in Florida. They both still live in California, I think, or up north. That's right, northern California, that's right.
Speaker 2:Becky is a dog trainer and my sister is a physical therapist.
Speaker 1:And there is the picture and I want to say I bet there's probably half the people in this picture that I do not know.
Speaker 2:I did not know them or I met them at the wedding for the first time the Beverly Hills Mission and oh, and Beth and Bruce Settle, who were very wealthy dentists that my stepdad got into Scientology. They're there too. But yeah, other than that I don't know. There's a lot of people I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, we're almost there, folks. We'll do some giveaways at the end of this. Yes, thanks for bearing with us.
Speaker 2:I'm glad we finally got to do this.
Speaker 1:I know it's a long time coming. We've been talking about doing this for months. It seems like now. Okay, I think we're coming to the end now, because it's all the good shots of me. This is the sunset. We're able to get some golden hour slash sunset pics here. That's a pretty good picture. I think that's a pretty good picture of me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1:And you, of course. You look great in all these pictures. Oh thanks honey. Oh, look at that. That's a nice one. Look at that.
Speaker 2:That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:I love that picture, yeah, 19 and 17. There go I think that's it.
Speaker 2:Let's see what a ride it's been honey yep, yahoo.
Speaker 1:Okay, awesome guys. Well, I hope you guys enjoyed the little bit of the. Uh, let me exit out of this before I uh sorry I gotta it's just to blow out my lighting over here.
Speaker 2:Nancy Rhea asked are your Scientology relatives forced to do hate videos? Yes, they are.
Speaker 1:Well, the way it works in Scientology is, if they need you to do Scientology or if you want to be able to keep talking to your family that are in Scientology, you have to play along, which is they are some of these people that are trying to get up the operating Thetan levels, these confidential levels where you learn about the body, thetans and Lord Xenu and how to exercise the space alien cooties out of your body.
Speaker 1:In order for them to be able to find out what that is and to get to those levels, they have to not be connected to any suppressive persons and they have to prove to Scientology that they are hardcore, dedicated and they're willing to throw those people away in defense of Scientology. And so my mother and my sister and Claire's stepfather and mother are all in that category where they either want to keep good with Scientology so they can still talk to their Scientology business and and family and friends and all that, or, in the case of Claire's parents and maybe my mother, they want to ascend to the higher space cootie levels and in order to do that, you gots to do a hate video and there's no way around that If you want to, if, basically, they think that you may have done something wrong, or that you may be up to your own nonsense, or you were having thoughts about leaving or whatever.
Speaker 2:As what they call amends, you have to making up the damage, which is part of the ethics, the lower ethics conditions. So, in order to be remain in the group in the group of you know meaning be able to talk to your kids and your friends and your husband or whatever who's in Scientology you have to go through all these steps, which includes making up the damage and very often, participation in the these videos is required before they'll let you back into the group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or let you continue on the operating Phaeton levels so you can't really mess around If you want to play. Oh, and the specific steps of the condition, the lower condition formulas. One of the steps is make up the damage you have done to Scientology, and that usually can be a hate video or that could be any kind of a men's project picketing a psychiatrist's office. But then another thing is deliver an effective blow to the enemy of the group. That's exactly-.
Speaker 2:Despite personal danger. That's paraphrased what it is Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group, despite personal danger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so doing that is one of those that's a possible thing that would fulfill those steps.
Speaker 2:Right so yeah, wildness, okay, there's a few comments and we we should note.
Speaker 1:we should note we have very intentionally never watched those videos, so oh yeah, we only know that these people have done hate videos because mainly my dad. My dad would watch all those sites because that was the only way that he would be able to see a current video of my sister and also where she's made up and she looks really good, because they need the people to look good in the video. So my dad was sort of like, well, that's the only way I get to see your sister is in those videos. So I was sort of like, well, I don't what am I going to say to that, you know, but every once in a while he'd watch a video and then he'd come and I never watched that stuff. Because guys listen, everybody knows what their part is in the world and you're either part of the problem or you're part of the solution and most people know which part they play. And so the these hate videos, they're sort of the toxic kind of like part of the problem.
Speaker 2:So I don't need to be involved with that, I'm not going to no and we are the target audience, and also when we started about doing them for us.
Speaker 1:They want us to see them, and that's really something that everybody should fundamentally understand is when Scientology is doing these hate videos, or when people are talking trash or whatever and it's toxic and you can just see, it's like oh, this is horrible, like you did, you made a video of this. The audience for that is you, and they want you to think that that's what other people think about you and that's really. That is Scientology in a nutshell. Everybody in Scientology doesn't want other Scientologists to think bad about them. They want to stay in the club, and in order to stay in the club, you got to talk trash about the people that aren't in the club.
Speaker 2:And they also want to make it brutally painful for anyone to speak out and expose Scientology, which we knew when we entered this space back in 2006, 2007. I started in 2008. We knew it was going to be hard. We knew that they were going to try and destroy us and we have nothing to hide. We're here to stick it out and so long as the Scientology is committing abuses in this world, we're going to keep on talking. Sure, end of story.
Speaker 1:We're humans, guys. We would rather people like us. That's a human thing. But if people don't like us, you can't let that influence you and run your life. People have different lives and they have different situations. Let them do what they're going to do. I'm doing what I'm doing and if they don't like it, that I'm trying to help people that are escaping from Scientology and get their lives back and reconnect into their families. I mean that's sort of like a weird thing to hate on. So it's sort of like okay, live your best life, man, if that's how it works, that's how it works.
Speaker 1:There's a Depeche Mode song called Peace and one of the lyrics is there's no space for the regrets I will remember to forget, and that has always stuck with me. There is no space for the regrets I will remember to forget, and that has always stuck with me. There is no space for the regrets I will remember to forget. That doesn't need to be in my world. Scientology nonsense, about that. I would rather have fun talking about them here, because that is the thing that kills them the most is that people watch this. We have a podcast. You know, we just had. We just we have a podcast, the blown for good podcast. We just hit a 500,000 downloads on the podcast, which is pretty good for a podcast. It's been around for a year and a bit.
Speaker 2:It's a part-time, part-time hobby on the side, outside of our day jobs and our kids and our lives.
Speaker 1:Thank you for everybody who's listening. Shout out to Sydney. Shout out to Australia, where we have some of our biggest concentrations of people in one location or one city, for some insane reason, um, but um, so yeah, we've, um, we would. I would love it if the Scientologists um didn't have to, um, do hate videos about us and all that, but I understand the predicament. They're in and until they get out, you kind of do you got to do what Scientology wants you to do. So I think we should get to questions, because otherwise we could talk about craziness. Yeah, we're already.
Speaker 2:We'll run through some questions, do some giveaways and wrap it up, and we're glad you came. Hopefully you enjoyed this. Like I said, it's been in the works for a very long time. All right, trevenon, big list at 3,279. Awesome, and I think, trevenon, that you're referring to the list of everyone who's spoken out against Scientology. Bravo to every single person who has survived and even more so, gotten out of Scientology and even more so, gotten out of Scientology. And if they've chosen to speak out, then hats off to you. You have our greatest respect for what you do. I only participate in the giveaways so I can do a giveaway. All right, there you go. Awesome, yay, one love 51,000. Wow, 10k. Super proud of you, claire. Thank you so much. Yes, it was really good. I'm so glad I did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but let's not forget, I made French toast and bacon. Okay, that was pretty nice.
Speaker 2:It was amazing. Thank you for taking care of business while I ran six and a half miles.
Speaker 1:When Claire got back I was like well, we had quite a morning. You ran a 10K, I made some bacon and some French toast on the griddle. It was a really good morning overall. Yes, once a witness, Jehovah's Witness. You want to read it? Go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Question Claire and Mark. Did you know Kirstie Alley? What do you think of her passing from colon cancer? I'll let you go first on this.
Speaker 1:Sure, we both knew her. I knew her from Hank. When I was getting my counseling from Tom Cruise, my Scientology auditing Kirstie Alley was in the same room studying as like a prop for the most of the time I was there. But I also met her at an event when she was part of the Narconon Scientology drug group. That's how Christy Elliott got into Scientology, because she was a drug addict. Per her she did mountains of cocaine and in order to get off doing that she did the Narconon program. And then from Narconon they get you into Scientology and so there was some sort of Narconon fundraiser that was being done from the organization that I used to work for before I went to the base ABLE, the Association for Better Living and Education, and she did one of those things and we met there and I got pictures with her and then Claire knew her.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, claire pictures with her and then Claire knew her Go ahead. Claire, yeah, I had various interactions with her when she would get brought to the headquarters along with Lisa Marie, several other celebrities, and I was part of that.
Speaker 1:But anyway, there you go, it's sad that she had cancer and there's a lot of Scientologists it's so sad?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so sad and that is very common. I was thinking about this the other day. We knew more people in Scientology who died of cancer by 100 times easily than what we've seen since leaving. Since leaving, and a huge part of that is because any you know any illness, any, anything, it means you're a potential trouble source and is dealt with that way. Very often the medical attention is neglected and it and the Scientology programming is just like oh, I'll do my handling and, yay, I feel better. Um, and proper care, medical care and attention is poo-pooed and made not a priority, and that's why tragedies like that continue to happen.
Speaker 2:Becky Lunn question. Claire Greenfield School, east Grinstead, are no longer allowed international students and are financially suffering. I heard that I personally was at Greenfield School for two years. I know of a lot of the illegal activities that went on there and they deserve to lose their funding. Also, many of those international students during the time that I was there ended up joining the Sea Organization. So if this ends up protecting children and preventing them from joining the Sea Organization, then so be it. It's about time.
Speaker 1:Yes, sorry, I was there we go.
Speaker 2:That's OK. Once a witness question Do a lot of Sea Org members marry by the time they're 18? Yes, they do.
Speaker 1:York members marry by the time they're 18? Yes, they do, they do. If you want to uh, if you want to uh, if you want to do the tube snake boogie, you gotta be married. That's how that works.
Speaker 2:What, what, what's the other thing you always say there's no test driving in the York.
Speaker 1:You don't get to take that thing off the lot you got to pick. You got to pick one and hope that's going to be the one, because no test drives. That's right, babe. Good thing I like that one, that one's better.
Speaker 2:And rampant divorce. Okay, kinders, kinders, I'm from Pennsylvania. Awesome Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:Nancy.
Speaker 2:Ria Hi from Las Vegas. Oh yeah, we tagged a bunch of location ones New York, galley sinatra. Thanks for joining us. Okay, mrs t rush. Um, not a play on words. I was born and raised in clearwater and moved to pasco county city name is spring hill. Okay, totally my bad. I misread the comment trevon on. Are we going to have the story about holding hands in the bus? I'm all for it. Oh my gosh, I remember that conversation.
Speaker 1:That was I about near died. This is a good one.
Speaker 2:Derby, who? Who dictate? Excuse me, who dictates what work a person does? Or is it up to you to stay busy of your own volition? No, every member, every C organization member and actually even every staff member, is assigned a post, a job. They have a title and they have exact, defined duties that are most of the time covered extensively by L Ron Hubbard as to what they're supposed to do, what they're responsible for, what their statistic is, and there's an exact schedule, down to the minute, of exactly where you're supposed to be, what you're supposed to be doing at any given time in the day, from 8 am until midnight, and the ethics officers will come around and inspect to make sure that you are doing the duties that you've been assigned.
Speaker 1:Well, you also. You have a statistic and you have to have the statistic, the graph of that statistic, posted in your workspace and it has to be updated every single hour of every single day. So if you're making widgets and it's 2.30, you need to know exactly how many widgets you've made so far this day, and if you're not making as many as you're supposed to, you're supposed to figure it out. So, by the end of the day, you made more widgets today than you made yesterday, and that's the way the entirety of the Sea Org and Scientology organizations are supposed to be run. It's, if you want to talk about micro-.
Speaker 2:And every yeah, and every single, per every single staff member also has to have a battle plan for the day which lists exactly what they're going to get done, also known as a BP. There you go.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Philip Jones, or even if they hesitate in answering about the definition, you get to redo the materials. Yes, this is hearkening back to our conversation about courses and training and studying Scientology. If you flunk a word, you very often have to redo the whole thing. Apostate Alex same on basic study manual, which is where you learn L Ron Hubbard's study technology, where you learn L Ron Hubbard study technology. I got literally to the last page of that thing and flunked a star rate on a two or three letter word like as or the or something, and had to retread, which is to redo the whole thing. Oh, my gosh, alex, that's awful, philip Jones, when our daughter was sitting a bit close to a young man and her senior in Scientology ordered them to get married. Yes, exactly, there has been a ton of that Like yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:This is a good one too.
Speaker 2:Charlotte Arrow Question Did people get in trouble for getting divorced? I'll let you answer this one.
Speaker 1:They don't. No, they don't, it's so.
Speaker 2:In fact. In fact, they're very often encouraged to get divorced. I was being pressured by David Miscavige on, I don't know, at least 50 times to divorce Mark and Shelley Miscavige, shelly Miscavige, um, and eventually that's how I ended up in the hole, which is, you know, at the base, where you know they. They had all of management executives on lockdown. I was put in the hole in September of 2004 because I refused to divorce Mark.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There, you go.
Speaker 1:That's craziness, that is so wild. Okay, let's see what else we got. Oh, there's a cool one Warrensburg, missouri, nearly summit. Hey, later day ain't. Oh, it's just even a super chat.
Speaker 2:Later day, ain't I like that? Yeah, nice, I like the username too Proto man. Does the Sea Org have no shame in having their members live in virtual poverty? Does Sea Org have no shame in having their members live in virtual poverty? I'd be embarrassed if people who worked for me were barely scraping a life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good point. It's sort of in the way Hubbard's teachings are, the way the policy letters are is that if you are concentrated on things, like if you're thing oriented, then that's sort of a lower life form. If you have to have things and you have to have money and be able to do whatever you want and pay for things, that's very, very frowned upon within the C organization because we're supposed to be doing a job and we ain't got time for none of that nonsense. So when people complained about pay it was sort of like, hey, we didn't get paid, Okay, get over it, and yeah that was referred to as worker oriented.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you read my book there's all kinds of stories like toilet paper. Sea Org members would hoard toilet paper so they didn't have to spend money on it. So anytime the bathrooms and any of the Sea Org buildings or facilities were stocked, within an hour they'd be empty because the Sea Org members would go in there, go to the bathroom and just take the roll with them. So I was like that's a normal thing in the Sea Org to take a roll from the bathroom when you leave so you can bring it home. So you've got some toilet paper at another place as well. Yes, wild.
Speaker 2:Dr X congrats 32 years. Claire hasn't aged. Oh, you're too kind. Well, did you eat well that day to get married? How many people did you have to get to sign off for you to actually get the day off Normally? Did they expect you to go back to work right after the ceremony? Great questions, and yes. Okay. So breaking this down, did you eat well that day? I don't remember particularly eating. I remember we had the cake. I don't remember eating any food or any dinner or anything.
Speaker 1:I just don't remember, I don't even remember that we I don't think we had a dinner. I don't think there was like an-.
Speaker 2:I don't think there was a dinner either. There was definitely no rehearsal dinner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If there was a dinner, there were no photos, there was no video and there were no memories, because I don't know what that happened. We may have. You know what I think we got ruined.
Speaker 2:But, as we mentioned, we got back from Vegas at five o'clock in the morning, so we were running on like three or four hours of sleep on top of everything else. So if we ate we don't particularly remember. The cake was good. I do remember that part. So thanks mom for that cake. But can you pull it up? Because there were other parts of that question that I missed. No it's gone. Oh, shoot was started. Oh, I'm so good. Oh, there we go. Saved by Mark, Thanks honey.
Speaker 1:To get married. How many?
Speaker 2:people did you have to get to sign off for you to actually get the day off so immediate? So basically the whole chain of command above you, up to the commanding officer, which was the equivalent of the, the CEO, and then on top of that you had to get sign off from security and from the ethics officer and from the person who did your interrogation. You're leaving, your take a leave of absence, sec check. So yeah, between six and eight, cause we were both low in the organization. So I remember I had at least six people on my chain of command.
Speaker 2:Yeah, At least that many people that got married on the property. They would just get married and go straight back to work Like Katie Feshback was a good friend of mine and she got married at that property. I zipped down for 10 minutes and I think I even got in trouble for going to it, and then she got married and we went back to work. So yeah, that was how it normally went, because we were going to LA we we just happened to get you know two days instead of 30 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Okay, we're going to rip through these guys. I'm going to try to get to as many as I can.
Speaker 2:To love and going the distance. Thank you so much for the super chat, gretchen, philly, we appreciate it. Road to Freedom. Hello, late to the party again. Happy 32nd anniversary to you both. What an achievement. And thank you for sharing your personal pics with us. Thank you so much for being here. We appreciate it. And thanks for watching Free of mind. $1 for each of these five knuckleheads who disconnected and made a hate video. Boom, thank you, very meaningful. Appreciate it. Shay Anderson, in your sex check, were you forced to lie and if yes, how did you do it? Um, you know, I mean, we had only slightly bent the rules, I think, um, and so you know, mark would just think about Depeche mode and you know, whatever, that was my go-to for my whole entire Scientology existence was whenever you're getting an interrogation on the E-meter.
Speaker 1:Think about I went to a concert. It was in Pasadena, california, it was at the Rose Bowl. It was Depeche Mode's 101st concert of their music for the masses tour. It was called Concert for the Masses and I was front row center and if I listen to any song off that album I get goosebumps and if I think about it really good, I can put myself back there, and so I would just think about that when I was getting Scientology interrogations and I would pass them with flying colors. So any Scientologists out there that are watching this video and you're going to end up in a sex check, just think happy thoughts, you'll be fine.
Speaker 2:Yep, happy thoughts. Okay, Dr X, so those that attended your wedding and were at Int, did they have to get permission to go to your wedding? Yes, they did, and most of our friends did not come. It was very, very difficult to get off that property, so, you know, just didn't happen. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1:I think there was two people it was my sister and Paul Schrobel that we had to get there, and everybody else either was already in Los Angeles or they weren't in the Sea Org, or they, our families, invited them, and they were just whoever they were, they didn't have to do that. They weren't. They weren't having to get approval to come. Oh, there you go, casey.
Speaker 2:Cassie, congrats on your anniversary. I know this was bittersweet for you, but thank you so much for sharing it with us. Thanks for understanding that. Yes, it is very definitely bittersweet, you know. I just hope for the day that our family will wake up and get out, but in the meantime, we're enjoying life, continuing to do what we do and treasuring every moment with our own children. Lulu Baru, thank you for the super chat. Congrats on 32 years. Not many people can say that they've been married this long and survived a cult together. Boom.
Speaker 1:That's true, that might be a double whammy. The 32 years is pretty good on its own, but being in a cult together as well, yes, that's some wild wildness I give huge credit and kudos to mark's sense of humor.
Speaker 2:You know I and you're of course. Anyway, katherine baxter was Dan Criccini at your wedding? I knew him in New York. I don't think he was. We did know Dan Criccini, I worked, but he was not, oh yeah, in the manufacturing area, he was the finishing officer.
Speaker 1:So after we made cassettes, um, cassette tapes L Ron Hubbard lectures on cassette tape we made millions and millions of these things and they never sold them. We ended up having to erase them all and sell them at the end of the day. But Dan Crescini would put them, he would label, they would label them with paper labels and then later on we used ink but they would label these cassettes with paper labels. And then he'd put it into a little j card and that into a cassette uh case, and norelco is what it's called. Um, he put that into a norelco and um, they'd shrink, wrap them and he, his post was the finishing officer, uh man, the av manufacturing finishing officer. That was his official post title. So I have no idea where Dan Caccini is now. He was long gone by the time we left him. I want to say from the base, or he was not, he wasn't. He might've been in Los Angeles or somewhere else. I don't remember what ended up happening with him.
Speaker 2:Pete Jensen TV. Thank you for the super chat to a happy 32 years and more of marriage. Put this towards the two grand for the pro photos. That's amazing, thank you, yeah Well we'll have to see if any anything good or revelatory comes from those negatives. We'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, skank hunt 42. Have you both now passed the moment where you have been out of the cult more than the time you were in it? Sadly, no. I was in from birth to age 30 and in january I will have been out 20 years.
Speaker 1:So I'm at 30 almost 20 as of right now but you have been married to me longer than you've been involved.
Speaker 2:I know, yay, which is the silver lining in all this. All right, spikers B say what happened to your wedding dress, claire? Great question, I sold it, and that was the $200 that I had in my purse the day that I escaped and which funded me getting to the bus station.
Speaker 1:Did you sell it to Suzanne? Suzanne.
Speaker 2:Widmer right Suzanne Widmer yep.
Speaker 1:You sold it to Suzanne Widmer for $200 and that's the money you used to escape. It all comes back around, folks. I'm telling you Okay, I think we're good now, I think we're going to do the giveaways, because we are now at the two hour mark, folks, and that is a long video.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:And we've been yapping here forever, so let me just make sure that I can do this here If I've got the, if I've got the all the stuff set up. So what we said was if you tap, type in the hashtag BFG into the comments, you will be entered to win the giveaway. We are going to do how many giveaways?
Speaker 2:Five.
Speaker 1:Five. Okay, let's do it. Here we go, guys. We love doing giveaways, by the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, hang on a minute Before we do that. I don't remember how I was supposed to do the user. I'm supposed to announce the usernames from the last week's yeah. Yeah, okay. So at Baker on a budget. Congratulations, you commented on last week's video. You win a giveaway. Shoot me an email claire at blownforgoodcom C-L-A-I-R-E, and send me a link to what you'd like and we will take care of it. Number two is at NatalieSherling970. Congratulations, you're a winner. Okay, we're ready now.
Speaker 1:Okay, good, here we go. Go guys, we're going to draw. There's 87 entries so far of people that put in here. There's 780 people in the uh in the video. So oh wow, even I almost got a win. What would p langton?
Speaker 2:p langton. Congratulations and just a reminder. P linkedin. Please send me an email with a link to what you'd like from either the bfg merch store or the sp shop merch store. We'll include links to both in the description of this video yeah okay, we're ready, so that's it's going we said said five, right Perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one. Well, that's actually third, the third one.
Speaker 2:Yep, betsy, sue, yay, there we go Just a matter of time.
Speaker 1:I want to say Betsy Sue's won before. I want to say that she has Well, that's okay. I'm just saying no.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:You can win more than once with this new system. You can win more than once with this new system. Yes, no bias involved whatsoever. I'm hitting a button on a website saying draw.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's, that's my my total, the only, the only. Yeah, the anticipation of the slowing countdown drives me a little nuts, but that's okay, Laura wait there you go.
Speaker 1:Is this the last one? Was that the last one? No we. There you go. Is this the?
Speaker 2:last one. Was that the last one? No, we do two more.
Speaker 1:No, we did two at the beginning for last week, Remember?
Speaker 2:No, I know but I had already factored that into my calculations. Remember we talked about that Dr X did a huge donation for this, and so this all makes it all work out. Thank you again, dr X and Dr Paul, you're amazing JLBB57. Congratulations.
Speaker 1:This person got a comment read and they got a win. I mean, it's just, it's just winners over here. You know what I'm saying? Just well, okay, One more.
Speaker 2:Yes, one more.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is it, guys. This is the last one. Shannon, you almost got that. There's two times I saw Shannon's name in there.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness. Hey, Shannon Trioni, congratulations, you are a winner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, awesome, we did it. Winner, winner.
Speaker 2:Zinu dinner Boom, Good one Applause Alex.
Speaker 1:By the way, for those of you who are wondering why we did hashtag BFG this week is because I really thought the Hail Xenu thing was hilarious and I thought it would just be fun and that's what we could always make it. Youtube does not like it when videos a video has a whole bunch of people in it saying Hail anything, youtube starts to flag those. So a whole bunch of hail Z News actually got flagged and I had to go through and say no, no, that's what we told everybody to say. Anyway, yeah, so we're not going to hail anybody in the hashtags from now on. So in the hashtags from now on. So, but I hope you guys had fun.
Speaker 1:We had a we, we we wanted, we had promised. I want to say, when we got, when we either tracked down the video and we had it digitized or something, we said, oh, we should show that, and then we just never got around to it. So because this was our 32nd anniversary just past this last week, we thought we should do it. Now it's our anniversary. We managed to make it here for 32 years doing this thing.
Speaker 1:So let's show the video from day one and tell some of the behind the scenes stories. This was not the most normal Sea Org wedding but it was at a Sea Org base, a Sea Org location on a Sea Org property, put on by Sea Org members with Sea Org members. I mean, it's about a Sea Org and it was on video and picture, so a perfect storm of super, super rareness. I don't think I've ever seen another Sea Org wedding video besides my sisters, but I don't think I've seen one out in the wild Like there's two pictures of but, most importantly, by miracle of miracles, our marriage, despite all odds and as a statistical anomaly, survived all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, it is definitely a perfect story.
Speaker 2:Thanks for putting up with me.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows the truth here. Okay, no one's pretending that I'm putting up with you, okay.
Speaker 2:I like to say it anyway it's okay.
Speaker 1:People thought I was getting snarky listen, listen guys.
Speaker 2:He had to call me sir and mr headley for long enough that you know what we're here. We're living life. We're enjoying every moment of it.
Speaker 1:If he gets a little salty sometimes doesn't bother me one bit, okay share gets her, gets her share of salty as well, but she usually doesn't do it while we're in a video live.
Speaker 2:No, definitely not.
Speaker 1:Anyway, thanks a lot, guys. We appreciate everybody who hung out today oh hold on.
Speaker 2:Before we go, we do have to say we have a fishing trip scheduled next week, so we will not be here next Sunday, but we'll be back after that and we're going to have we might have a special guest. We'll finalize that anyway. So more to come.
Speaker 1:Yeah, either way, we'll have a video for you guys somehow, some way. We hope, I, I hope, but it won't be live. But but we have some. We have some amazing stuff that's coming up. I want to say we have four or five things that we've been working on for a while and they're all starting to show up and hatch and be ready, and so we have a lot of very cool stuff that's coming up. That's really going to be sort of amazing, and so we're just trying to get that done as well as do these and and we've kind of figured out a good happy medium where we just do one or two of these a week and if, if we can, we'll do a live one on Sunday.
Speaker 1:Some of you guys are like why do you do it? We're trying to do it when it's good for us and when it's good for you guys. So this seems to be a kind of a good sweet spot of all those things. So, but we are going fishing next week, so we're not going to do any videos from the lake or from the river, from wherever it is. We ended up getting put in those rods and and. But yes, we thank you guys for tuning in and if you stayed here till the very end, like and subscribe and all that happy hoo-ha. Thank you very much, guys. Until next time.
Speaker 2:Thank you Bye.
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