Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Scientology Spywing Stories. That's probably what we're going to end up calling these. Let's get my lovely wife claire in here.
Speaker 1:There she is hey, hey, hey we're gonna um, let's see here I put up. We'll do the normal thing here. When we do a live, we try to get as many people in before we get going and um, so nobody misses out on anything. So if you are here joining us live, tell us in the comments where you're watching from. And also we will be doing some some Davy doll giveaways today. Captain Navy and his fake Navy let's put a picture of that little guy up here, this little guy right here, the Davy doll. We are going to be giving some of these away at the end of the video. So if you put hashtag BFG in the comments, you will automatically get entered in to win and that'll happen at the end of the video.
Speaker 1:Yep, it seemed only fitting, as we head into the holiday season, having finished up another Halloween with our kiddos, holiday season having finished up another Halloween with our kiddos, yeah, okay, let's put up some of the uh where people are coming in from and then, uh, there you go.
Speaker 2:Claire can read these yes, hogs belly, hi from London, uk. And Daza, daza, here from the old town, old London town in England. Hooray, my hometown, home country. I should say Catherine Olson, here from the old town, old London town in England. Hooray, my hometown, home country. I should say Catherine Olson, love from the Willamette Valley, willamette Valley, oregon. She's probably going to be mad at me no matter how I say it, but that's okay. Oh, hogsbelly, again, hi from London, uk.
Speaker 2:Mary Kay, london, hi from Albuquerque, thank you for joining us, daza, I've actually made it to a live stream my first. Hooray, we're glad to have you here. Mary Kay, london, hi from Albuquerque. And Buck Buddy, good afternoon from Minnesota. Clara, in the house, so ready for a great BFG live stream. Shout out to Clara, you're an amazing person. We're so grateful for everything that you do. So, thank you.
Speaker 2:And the Welsh Recon, hello from North Wales. Well, there you go, good to see you back. Hello, from 100 ish miles away from the gold base. There you go, we know that area more than we would like to. Maria martin's, portugal present. Hooray, maria. And again, shout out to maria, dr paul, dr x for their amazing and continued support. We will be talking about the competition that they launched. Oh, here we go. Mark's on the ball. Go to the c-orgorg, the c-orgorg, the c-orgorg to submit your photos, to enter to win a special edition leah bobblehead. And this is to put focus on the small and failing orgs that are now known as the idol orgs, to show that the representations that Scientology makes, that it has reached unprecedented expansion and has millions of members worldwide, is 100% false.
Speaker 1:Yeah, scientology's propaganda arm perpetuates this idea that these organizations that they've been buying and they've been renovating are filled with people and in almost every single instance, the property that they've purchased hasn't even been worked on. If it has been worked on, they've had a grand opening and the place is just an empty joint. There's nobody in there and basically they're not getting anyone into their organizations to do Scientology counseling or Scientology training.
Speaker 2:Yep, exactly their organizations, any bodies that are in there, are bad actors or hired actors or both well when we were talking about Scientology's spy wing.
Speaker 1:So we did do a spy files video where we kind of talked about the structure and the organization layout of the Office of Special Affairs. And if you're new to the channel, in the 1960s L Ron Hubbard set up an organization called the Guardian's Office and the Guardian's Office was the legal and sort of dirty tricks and public relations wing of Scientology. And in the 1970s the Guardian's Office was convicted. Eleven Scientology top executives went to prison and they were convicted for the largest infiltration into the United States government and its history. I put a link in the description. You can look at that. It's called Operation Snow White, which was the operation which was uncovered by the United States government and it involved Scientology infiltrating numerous government organizations in the United States and abroad actually.
Speaker 1:And then after that Scientology sort of rebranded the Guardian's Office and they changed the name to the Office of Special Affairs and in most cases it was the same exact people that were in the guardian's office. They got fired from the guardian's office and then they started working for the office of special affairs and the only thing that happened internally in Scientology is they changed the name. They still operate when the guardian's office was around. L Ron Hubbard wrote things that became the policy of the guardian's office and those were how they were to conduct investigations and what sort of tactical and strategic sort of playbooks they're supposed to play by. All of those things that were codified for the Guardian's Office. Those exact same policies and operating bases are what the Office of Special Affairs uses to this day.
Speaker 1:So, it is essentially the Guardian's Office 2.0, and they call it the Office of Special Affairs, or as we often refer to it in the Scientology world as OSA and all organizations. If you want to see the whole breakdown of how all the different OSA offices work, from the international level all the way down to the city level at an organization, you can watch. I'll put a link to that spy file episode in the description as well. But essentially every single Scientology organization has an agent of OSA that works at their organization every single one. And depending on what they call that at a Scientology organization, they're usually called the legal director or they're called the director of special affairs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, director of special affairs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so instead of an, each organization that has a DSA or a director of special affairs, they are part of the OSA, the Office of Special Affairs Network, and that's loosely how it works within the Scientology organizations by, I want to say he's I think it's Japanese a Japanese general slash philosopher named Sun Tzu, and forgive me if I'm pronouncing that incorrectly, but it's called the Art of War, and Hubbard really believed that this was a very, very good handbook on how to conduct operations and Scientology activities under the guise of this system of war, basically. And one of the things that Hubbard was very clung on to as part of this were the different types of agents that you have and what those people are supposed to do, and we thought it would be interesting if we covered that and then gave you guys some examples of who these different agents are within Scientology. So I'm going to put that up here. Do you want to read those, claire? And then we can both kind of just think of some of the different examples.
Speaker 2:Sure, yes. So in Sun Tzu's the Art of War, five types of agents or spies are discussed as essential for gathering intelligence in warfare and, by the way, thank you, curtis, for noting that he's Chinese, so corrected. And also, I just wanted to say, before we go into reading this, that this is the only textbook not written by Hubbard that Scientologists, and specifically members of the Office of Special Affairs, are required to study.
Speaker 1:Just, saying there are other textbooks for other parts of Scientology. Like registrars, people that get money, they have to train on a textbook by a gentleman by the name of Les Dane. I think it's called Big League Sales.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:And there's some other textbooks that Hubbard kind of points you in the direction of. But yes, for the Office of Special Affairs, this is their main like. They need to know this inside and out. If you work in the Office of Special Affairs or Department of Special Affairs, this is required reading.
Speaker 2:In the Office of Special Affairs or Department of Special Affairs. This is required reading. Yes, and to frame the context, we're talking about an alleged religion that has 501c3 nonprofit status. Okay, so this is what they're using here. They are one local spies. These are spies recruited from among the people of the locality where the army is operating. They provide information about the terrain, local customs and the mood of the populace. Two inward spies, also known as internal spies these are officials or personnel within the enemy's ranks who provide information, often because they are disaffected or bribed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wanted to read give an example of someaffected or bribed. Yeah, I wanted to read give an example of some of them after you did it. So for the local spies, that would just be in Scientology, because they have this system called the knowledge reports system. Basically, anyone in Scientology is a local spy in their area, because if a Scientologist starts talking bad about Scientology or starts telling the truth about David Miscavige or the condition of the orgs, local Scientologists will write a report on that person and then send that in. So all Scientologists are basically local spies. Inward spies would be more like the people that work at a Scientology organization or maybe even more specifically, the director of special affairs or OSA personnel directly. It's their job to report on people and to sort of be the one who tells hey, there's something going on here, this is what's going on.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Or another example is the RTC representatives who are posted at every major org in Scientology. They directly report to David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2:Yep, okay, so three All right.
Speaker 1:Oh, we weren't going to talk more about inward spies. No, we did. I think that's good enough, I mean, if we think of other ones as we go through, because once we get down to these other ones it gets very sort of all over the place in terms of who could be the sort of spy and sordid and disturbing.
Speaker 2:Okay, perfect, Three converted spies. These are enemy spies who have been captured and turned to work for you instead.
Speaker 1:They can provide valuable insights into the enemy's plans and operations. Yeah, so this is one where they sort of there's there's a there's many people that sort of fall into this. But sometimes you might have somebody who worked for Scientology and then as a Sea Org member or a staff member, and then they decide to leave, and then Scientology contacts them and says, hey, listen, we understand that you've left and you're talking a little bit of smack about us. Remember? You confessed all that different stuff to us. If you don't want that to get out, then you're going to have to kind of work for us and tell us what the people that you're hanging out with are saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yes, or another flavor of that is hey, remember your mom who's a Scientologist. Well, you can actually talk to her again if you spill the beans and tell us everything we want to know, because that's not sorted or questionable, or evil.
Speaker 1:Yes, but they have a lot of these people who sort of operate as double agents. You think they're on the side of the people that are exposing Scientology, but they're never exposing any Scientology or they're never doing any of that. They're just hanging out with the people that are and then they're gathering intel on those people and then providing that back to Scientology so they can see, Scientology can sort of keep tabs on what they're doing, what they're up to.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah. Another example that comes to my mind specifically is when our friend was coming over to try and get you to confess that you were posting anonymously as Blown for Good in the very early days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was funny. Actually, we did have people come over and we might've talked about this on a live or in another video or something somewhere. But there was a gentleman who had come over and, um, and I was like 90% sure that he was working for OSA. And I asked him like he was just sitting on my couch and we were all sitting there hanging out and I said, so, do you? And it was Claire, and it was at least one or two other people that did not know that he worked for OSA or would never even believe that. He would even have that idea, anyway, and we were just sitting there talking and I said so how does it work? Do you go and report in every week or do you come here? And he was like what? And I said to Osa, to Kirsten Catano at Osa, and he was just like he, he froze.
Speaker 2:I've never seen someone so like like dough in the headlights, like wait what Mark was just like. Yeah, no, seriously, it's an honest question Like yeah, just how does it work?
Speaker 1:How does it work and what do you get? Like what do you get for spying on us? Like what's the trade? And really what it was at the end of the day was, this kid's mother was in the C organization in Los Angeles and he was at the C org in Los Angeles and then he eventually went to the international headquarters and then he got in trouble there and then went to Los Angeles and then just left the Sea Org altogether, but his mother was still in the Sea Organization. So in order for him to be able to see her he had to basically report up. And I know people are going to think I'm talking about Eric. I'm not talking about Eric Speisler.
Speaker 2:Um but that is another story.
Speaker 1:That's a really good one but we've covered most of that in the um, in the spy files and and I'm pretty sure I even covered the spy file where they were like how does who outed this spy to mark like who who messed who, who messed up that he would be outed as a spy. And it wasn't really that anybody had outed him. It's just that this kid I was always hard on this, he was a punk ass kid at the international headquarters and and he actually he was one of my roommates and there was actually a time where he would steal food from me on a regular basis and I spiked some Sprite with leave sec check, which was completely something we all had to do to get approval to leave the property.
Speaker 2:He left for five days and then he escaped and they brought him back. But I was given a committee of evidence for that. So I didn't have the best of feelings, just to be honest.
Speaker 1:Either way, I wasn't the biggest fan of this kid when we were in the Sea Org, and the fact that he would sort of come to my house in Los Angeles uninvited with somebody else and that I would dunk on him full time, it was just a weird. It was just an unnatural thing for him to come over to get dunked on by me and so I just went on a limb like he's obviously a spy, because why would he be coming over here to get dunked on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and his mom was still a current member of the Sea Organization in LA. So again, it made no sense that he would just be like oh hey, hedleys, how's it going? People don't do that.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So the thing that I thought was funny is sometimes so he got burned, basically. But once somebody gets burned they can then convert or transfer over to another spy level. And now she's going to read number four, and then you see what this one is.
Speaker 2:All right, here we go. Let me get back to the screen. Okay, four doomed spies. These spies are given false information and then allowed to escape back to the enemy. Their purpose is to mislead the enemy with disinformation.
Speaker 1:So sometimes when these guys get burned they then get fed some kind of story or some kind of info to then go spread amongst the people that are exposing Scientology. Somebody kind of rises up Like. For a long time Marty Rathbun was sort of a person that people were going to for information on what was happening within Scientology, and Scientology were attacking him very visibly on the Internet and at his physical location in Texas and these sort of things, and so it becomes a point where you have every level of spy working on one person. So they had agents going directly to his house. They had Scientologists that were loyal to David Miscavige that would go to his house and try to talk to him. They had Sea Org members ex or current Sea Org members that were trying to contact Marty Rathbun. They had private investigators. They had exes that were posing as exposing Scientology, but they were still even working for OSA.
Speaker 1:So when they have a main adversary, you'll see them basically send all of the different spies to work this project and operation until it it ends itself and that is eventually what happened with marty is they? They were so far on him and up in all of his business that anything that he had did or that had happened or whatever was going on in his life. Scientology knew every single thing about it, and they used anything that they could find that would make him vulnerable, and then they eventually exposed that vulnerability and then they worked it and yeah and essentially what they did in in the case of marty is they removed him from the board altogether.
Speaker 2:Now nobody will trust him. We won't trust him as former scientologists people in won't trust him. And no, no, he's just literally. I mean, there's videos of Marty saying X, y and Z and then there's videos of Marty saying the exact opposite, obviously in the POW style video that Golden Era or SMP Productions shoots and puts up on their hate sites.
Speaker 1:Yeah, another one of the things that Scientology uses is to use the dead agent, and the dead agent is a term they use in Scientology because once you paint somebody in a bad light and you expose them, then they're no longer productive as an agent.
Speaker 1:So now they're a dead agent. And Scientology has these packs that they make up on ex-members that are called DA packs or dead agent packs, and it basically is just a laundry list of everything horrible that that person has done, whether made up or based in some semblance of fact. They exaggerate and they basically they paint this narrative that this person's an evil, horrible person, and then they spread that into the area where that person is influential or that person has some sort of following or people that respect him. They will then DA or dead agent them to those people, so then people no longer listen to them. So in the end, because they essentially got Marty to say the opposite of everything he ever said before, he is now a dead agent because he said both sides of the story for both sides of the game. So, okay, you want to read the-.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also yeah, no, I think that more commonly dead agent is the materials that they compile on somebody like you or me to show to people still in Scientology. Oh, you can't listen to anything that person says. Marty is kind of a unique case because that was next level.
Speaker 2:But yeah, absolutely Okay. So next one Five surviving spies. These are spies who bring back news from the enemy camp. They are the ones who successfully gather and return with intelligence. These categories highlight Sun Tzu's understanding of the importance of espionage in gaining strategic advantage over one's enemies. Each type of agent plays a specific role in the broader intelligence gathering effort, emphasizing the need for a nuanced approach to information warfare. Information warfare there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so those are sort of um. That's just one aspect of Sun Tzu's thing, it's just the agents. But I wanted to. I wanted to at least give you guys an example, because people are like what are they doing, or how are they doing it, and um and the other the other question I get all the time is are they still doing it now, after all these years?
Speaker 2:Do they still try to mess with you? And so I was telling Mark hey, what about if we put together a list of the top 10 most outrageous and egregious examples of fair game that we've personally experienced, just to expose what they do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and one of the things I was thinking was because it was more when we lived in Los Angeles, to be honest, that we that it was noticeable. But some of the people that we encountered were people like there was a guy that was trying to give me work and he met through a client. He was introduced to me through a client of mine and basically he was trying to get me to do audiovisual work at these different places. But there was never going to be a job and whenever we he would get me to go, he'd always be like hey, do you want to go grab a drink at the bar? And you know, it was always like what's going on? And it was just, it was just a little off and it was also not a normal method that I would normal um procedure or uh or kind of uh channel that I would get work on. So it was a very out of left field and whenever anything would would would happen like that, I would always my my spidey senses would get a little bit.
Speaker 2:So I was just going to say that I was just going to talk about your spidey senses, because they're pretty on point, we've certainly fine-tuned and gotten better through the years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there was a bunch of these that had happened in a row in over a period of years in Los Angeles. There would always be these too-good-to-be-true projects that would just fall into my lap and then it would sort of take me down a path where I wouldn't be working because I'd be pursuing this multi-million dollar project that my company's going to do, and then I'd sort of get the signs. My spidey senses would start to tingle and I'd be like, oh, I think this might be a setup, and then I would play it as if it were. I will tell you this this is a good one, and I don't know if I've told this before, but I do like very high end audio visual systems that we do. So usually it's in the hundreds of thousands or more projects that we're doing. We're not doing $10,000 projects, we're doing big projects.
Speaker 1:And we got a house that was. It was a house, it was a doctor's house. What we were told it was a doctor's house in somewhere in Glendale or something Pasadena, somewhere around there and an AV company had already done maybe 50% of the work and it was a disaster. It was a nightmare and things weren't going to work and the way they did. It was wrong, and they wanted me to come in and sort of save it. And so I was like this is already, it's already a bad job because somebody else has already kind of messed it up, and then we'd have to fix it. And then did we do the bad work, did they do the bad work, something like that. That's what I foresaw, anyway.
Speaker 1:So I knew a guy who was sort of still in Scientology but he was out, but he hung out with me, but he had a daughter in the Sea Org and his ex-wife was still in Scientology and he did the same kind of very similar work that I did, but he specialized in the exact thing that this house needed. So I said, well, that guy's still a Scientologist and they still think he's one of their guys. So I'm going to actually flip the job to him and then, if he does it, then if something goes sideways on it, it's him, not me. I don't. I don't need any part of this. I don't need any part of this. Anyway, as soon as I offered him up as the contractor, scientology freaked out and the whole thing kind of like got. They kind of had to backpedal out of this thing.
Speaker 2:And the guy completely ghosted us.
Speaker 1:And then the guy, completely, the guy, completely. I couldn't get a hold of him. I was like, hey, oh, also the client, the supposed client, everybody just ghosted us. It was like, hey, dude, are you going to call me back? What happened with that? Did you give those guys a quote? What happened? And it was like couldn't hear anything.
Speaker 1:Anyway, like a year later the thing just disappeared. I was like I guess it was what I thought it was and uh, they knew I was onto them anyway. But a year later I'm in a Home Depot and I see this guy and I run into him and I go hey there, dude. And he's like, oh man, dude, I'm so sorry about that thing. Like he assumed that I had known everything. And then I knew that he was working for them and all this other stuff and he was like I had to. My daughter was in the Sea Org and my wife was still inside and I and he never, I never knew that it was. I didn't know until that moment that it was 100% like a Scientology sort of out. They were going to try to trap me and sue me or something, and and the only thing that saved me was that I brought him into the mix because he was one of their guys. They couldn't throw him under the bus.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Anyway, him into the mix because he was one of their guys, they couldn't throw him under the bus, yep, anyway. So but that's happened a hundred times. Folks We've got we've got so many crazy examples and I thought it would be fun if we showed you a little bit about something that they do. Maybe we'll show you a policy of office of Special Affairs or some sort of procedure. Maybe we'll read another spy file I haven't read or something like that, and then we'll give you some examples of stuff that they've done to us in real life and then you can see like this is not.
Speaker 1:It's sometimes, if you've read my book, the stuff that's in my book is the believable stuff. Even though some of it's hard to believe. There it's believable. The stories we're going to tell you. Some of these are unbelievable and and when we tell you them you're going to go like that's crazy and that's that's what we've kind of always wanted this to be is like we're just going to have a conversation about some stuff that happened in Scientology and then you guys can like maybe think that's not the best thing in the world that should be happening. Maybe we should do something, or maybe we should talk to this or write to your Senator or you know something, so that it's not just like oh, that's the crazy Tom Cruise thing, which is most of the time if somebody is talking about it and it comes up and I don't say anything, I don't tell them, I know anything about it. They'll be like isn't Scientology that thing with Tom Cruise? And I'm just like, I just smile and you know, keep to myself keep to myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, though I will say that in the last 10 years the public awareness of the actual destructive practices of scientology have dramatically shifted to where people like when we first moved to castle rock, that is what people would say oh isn't, isn't that just that crazy thing that tom cruise does of jumping on couches? Um, but on a more serious note, I think that, going clear the HBO documentary, of course, leah Remini, scientology in the Aftermath, all three seasons just kind of raised public awareness at a whole other level. I mean, we now have people approach us all the time like, oh my gosh, you gosh people that we've known for 10, 15 years, saying we had no idea what you've been through, and we're like, yeah, well, we don't lead with that usually.
Speaker 1:No, exactly, I used to be in a cult for 30 years.
Speaker 2:Nice to meet you.
Speaker 1:The other thing that I wanted to say is that you have to also take that into account. In this world of Scientology, the people that do leave, they try to make an example of the people that leave and speak out, and they make a big deal out of those people within Scientology. And this person went to jail and this person did this and this person had this happen, and so they really play it up on the people that speak out. Bad things happen to them, and so they do try on occasion, to make an example of those people and try to strike them down so that then they can show the guys inside. Yeah, we had to sue that guy into into next Tuesday for for talking smack about us or you know whatever they tell their people.
Speaker 1:So, um, it's not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 1:You definitely have to, uh, you have to.
Speaker 1:You have to, you have to, uh, have have thick skin, I'd say, to be in this world because they're going to talk smack about you, no matter what.
Speaker 1:I mean, we both have hate websites that Scientology puts up on us, and every once in a while, somebody from our work world or whatever will see one of those things and they'll just be like oh my God, that's so crazy that you guys are like they say that about you.
Speaker 1:Be like, oh my God, that's so crazy that you guys are like they say that about you and just like, yeah, they basically want to engage you in lawfare, so they want to say things that they shouldn't be able to say and probably you could sue them for saying, but then you have to prove that your income was affected, so then you have to basically turn over all of your, your financial information, to them to then they could go through, and so it's. It's very, very calculated the way Scientology they try to. Instead of attacking the facts or disputing the facts of what Scientology are doing, they attack the character and then they try to shoot you down in public opinion and that will then create a dead agent out of you, and then they don't need to worry about you because they're airing out all this dirty laundry about you, real or not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, deflect, deflect, deflect, deflect. They're not going to talk about that.
Speaker 1:There's been human trafficking going on and there's different things that they shouldn't be up to, that they're up to and they're getting publicly. You know they're doing this all tax free. We're subsidizing this behavior.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the fact of the matter is that we are the focus of most of their attacks. The focus of most of their attacks Like, for example, last February they ran a whole hate Twitter campaign about me to all of our local town and not one single person asked me about it. So you know, like that's how effective quote unquote it was.
Speaker 1:We actually might've gotten some more work out of it, if anything. Yeah, and that is another type, and that's another thing that we may have joked about it before, but we were getting audited. Between Claire and I, we have several different operations that we manage or we run or we work at, and that's how we support our families.
Speaker 2:And none of them are Our big pharma OSA and they're, all you know, just a standard day job where we work hard.
Speaker 1:Anyway, these operations have been audited multiple times by the IRS because we get anonymously reported every single year and it's not that big of a pain in the ass, because one of the companies that Claire has is a bookkeeping company and so our books are pretty good. But the funniest thing is that I think every single time this has happened we get refunds because we're overly careful that we're not trying to. You know we're not. I think somebody said it's not my legal obligation to pay the most amount in taxes but I'll pay my fair share. But we were getting audited and then we'd end up getting returns after they do one of these exhaustive audits and there's other things that they've done that it ultimately has worked out In the end.
Speaker 1:It worked out in our favor. So if you played the long game with Scientology, you'll usually worked out in the end. It worked out in our favor. So if you played the long game with scientology, you'll usually come out in the end. It's the short game. You might. You might feel like you're losing uh, individual little battles, but you'll win the war, hopefully in in the long run yep, we're nothing.
Speaker 2:We're nothing if not persistent.
Speaker 1:Huh yes, you think we should do some fake Navy Davey giveaways. I don't know why I made him so big. I could have made him smaller, I could have made the background smaller, but that's a very good representation of the fake Navy Davey. Doll, yes. Or Captain Whack from TGAC, or whatever you want to call him. Yeah, exactly, I do like fake Navy Davey. He's one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 2:Captain Whack from TGAC or whatever you want to call him. Yeah, exactly, I do like.
Speaker 1:Fake Navy Davey is one of my favorite ones, but Captain Whack from TGAC is also fun.
Speaker 2:Captain Davey is my favorite, just because I know that it gets under skin.
Speaker 1:Dave does not like being called Davey, and he also doesn't like it when you refer to him as Captain David.
Speaker 2:Misca, so Fake Navy.
Speaker 1:Davey just hits everybody. That was Apostate Alex, yeah, the doll. We did a video with Apostate Alex last week and they made him take the doll down because the doll was going to cause alarm and distress. You know what? This guy's not causing anybody distress. We do have a. Um, we have this stuff. It's like a catnip week you can get and we poured it on. These guys and the cats love to just have their way with these little baby dolls that we have up in a basket. Um, it's not a voodoo doll. It does not come with pins. I'm not saying you can't just go to joanne fabrics or hobby lobby or yeah and nor and get yourself some pins right, and nor does it make any sounds so yeah, it's not squeak in, or no, no, just just to be fully clear.
Speaker 2:Uh, divine mischief said but he doesn't have, but he doesn't have melodious flatulence. There you go, he does not you could certainly add melodious flatulence if you wanted to, but we were just kind of trying to have some fun. Yes, okay, giveaway, then we can run through a bunch of questions and comments that I highlighted. If anyone has any questions while we do this giveaway, please mark question and I will do my best to catch those.
Speaker 1:Perfect, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2:Here we go. Ready, I'm going to do it Only 38 people.
Speaker 1:38 people. We'll do the next one at 60. So here we go. Perfect, all right, here we go.
Speaker 2:Perfect.
Speaker 1:All right oh, Scientology.
Speaker 2:Audit Ottawa, nice.
Speaker 1:Congratulations. Okay, so when the entries get up to 60, we'll do another one. I do like this, though that oh, I missed it he did a Tim Greenglass the double toot salute. Yeah, you know, I think it's called. There's a podcast I listen to. They call it a double pipe classic on that podcast. But I think when it has to do with people that were in the former military so like if hubbard did it, um, or maybe even fake navy guys, that's when you burp and you fart at the same old, same old simultaneously I think it's actually called a dual flute salute if you're former military. So I could be wrong on that there you.
Speaker 1:Otherwise it's known as a double pipe classic.
Speaker 2:You learn something new every day.
Speaker 1:We had to edit those out of Hubbard's lectures. You know, he said Hubbard said the N-word, he said a lot of slurs, racial slurs, burps, farts, coughs, any sort of nonsense that he was up to in the lectures had to be edited out over the years. Yep, so, um, yeah, that's a, that's a real thing, folks. Um, tim greenglass said thank you for the clarification. Absolutely, double pipe classic. Thank you. Now, dual toot salute is not it? I don't think I would know, gonna be very careful in the nomenclature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, scientology Audit Ottawa. Congratulations on winning. Send me an email, claire, at blownforgoodcom, with your address and I will get your prize shipped off to you. There we go, thank you.
Speaker 1:Perfect. We've got 54 entries into the next one, so awesome.
Speaker 2:We'll run through some comments and questions.
Speaker 1:Perfect, ok, oh, here we go.
Speaker 2:You're pulling them up and I'm reading them. Japan of Green Gables. Question Are CO OSA Int and WDC OSA at the same position? No, they are not. Co Commanding Officer OSA Int works at the Office of Special Affairs at the Hollywood Guarantee Building in Los Angeles 63 Hollywood Boulevard, 900208.
Speaker 2:Yes, wdc OSA Watchdog Committee Office of Special Affairs worked at the international headquarters, though COOSA would report directly to WDC OSA. So that's the chain of command and sometimes when CO-OSA would get busted or removed or put on the decks or put in the hole, then WDC-OSA might temporarily hold that position. But they are not the same position.
Speaker 1:And also WDCOSA Watchdog Committee. Member for Office of Special Affairs is supposed to report to the COCMO-INT, but often they're reporting to the COCMO International and David Miscavige at the same time or directly to David Miscavige, and maybe the COCMO-INT is or is not involved in that conversation. There's been many times where it's basically WDC Osa and David Miscavige are the same person because it's just getting. Wdc Osa is just giving it to David Miscavige. There's. Wdc Osa, in most occasions, is not making any decisions that aren't being given to him or to her or whoever is holding the position by chairman of the board of religious technology. Ultimately, david Miscavige is making all of the decisions in regards to legal or public relations or spy operations. All of that is David Miscavige's area of expertise.
Speaker 2:Yes, and let's not leave out, mr Warren McShane, the Deputy Inspector General for Legal Affairs is also in that mix, because he's an expert liar. There you have it, that is also true.
Speaker 1:We are one entry away from doing another one, guys, so we'll do one more question and hopefully by that time we got we're doing okay on time here. Yep, and here we go. Here's Freckle Joy. Wow, it's a super chat. It said Freckle Joy. There you go, babe, read that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, Do you know where in Palmdale the old Mace Kingsley kids ranch was at? I don't know exactly. No, but I'm sure I could ask some of many people. But I don't know the answer to that question. No.
Speaker 1:And I will tell you guys a crazy story my next door neighbor in Colorado. His parents used to be best friends with the people that ran that ranch school and I think his uncle was this guy named Wally Hanks. Was his quote-unquote uncle or good family friend. And yeah, we've heard some crazy wild stories about Wally Hanks.
Speaker 2:Bad, bad person.
Speaker 1:We're up to 62 entries, so we're going to do another one. We're going to draw again, guys. Uh, here it goes, scooby-doo, there we go, flippy, flippy dings, here we go. I love it how it hangs on those last ones and then it just denver, denver, unbelievable. You know, denver Stevo has more. I want to say this guy has more merch than anybody else that I've ever seen. Because we see the.
Speaker 1:We're the ones that fulfill the orders, guys. When we get orders on the SP shop or blown for good shop, we're the ones that are putting it in the box and putting the label on it. We don't have some secret manufacturing company doing all this stuff, we're the ones doing it. Denver Stevo, I don't. I don't want to dock some or out him, but I'm pretty sure he got himself some bobbleheads in the last little bit here. But anyway, congratulations, denver Stevo. You probably we have to figure out. You have to pick something that you are you don't already have, because I'm pretty sure he has a fake navy davey, at least one or two of those as well yes, um, we do appreciate it he's uh, he's a frequent flyer in here, if you guys yes denver steve-o is uh he's lulu.
Speaker 2:baru said the leah bobble and pick were packaged very well. Thank you, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, yes, SP.
Speaker 2:Spanglish. Good to see you here. Have you seen the Granberry Heber Gentsch deposition on YouTube? It's crazy how Heber managed to answer no questions 100% and he practiced that for days and days in advance, probably even drilled directly by David Miscavige. Anyway, great to see you here. Sp Spanglish. Thank you for everything that you do.
Speaker 1:Just send us $10.
Speaker 2:Office of Special Affairs $10. To please stop talking.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Osa.
Speaker 2:We appreciate it, appreciate your support.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't know this, but you know a lot of people don't know this. You know there was a. Over the past few years, there's been a lot of Scientology content on YouTube, and one of the ways that that was happening was because Scientology was spending millions of dollars on YouTube ads and Google ads to try to keep the Danny Masterson stuff out off of the internet, and what ended up happening is they ended up feeding into the algorithm that people want to know about Scientology, because Scientology spending so much money to make sure everybody knows about Scientology. So YouTube and the whole group, all the algorithms just pushed all the Scientology stuff up to the top. And and so I just made me laugh when somebody sends a super chat that says, oh, yep.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm reading them. Hey, all made alive. Hope everyone as well. Hi, matt, good to see you All right.
Speaker 1:Here we go.
Speaker 2:Okay, apostate Alex question can you clarify how osa works when it comes to fair game overseas? For example, how much of the online harassment etc. I'm getting will be being done by osa here in the uk versus int? That's a good question and obviously I mean we've been speaking out now for going on 20 years, but at least from when we were there they had a specific Internet unit based at in LA, so most of the Internet items while they may now have expanded that to have Internet people in other areas like UK, it's absolutely being directed from office of special affairs international yeah, I want to say the.
Speaker 1:That's another thing that scientology's got a big problem with is most of the people in osa have been there forever. There's not a lot of young blood in osa because there's these dirty tricks have been going on for decades and there's there's sps that are outliving the osa agents. So you've got these, these people that have to be kept track of. But the only people that can be read read in, so to speak, on all the things that have happened with this person are people that already knew about all this stuff that going back decades and decades. So, um, but yeah, the internet stuff is pretty much done by gloria. Uh, ida, and was it gavino gavino?
Speaker 2:yeah, katherine said um, everyone in osa is getting really old.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they are yes, because they can't really bring any new young bucks in there, and the young bucks are usually the ones that spill the beans, so they don't. They have very bad, bad experience with bringing new people into OSA. And then when those people start finding out what's going on, they're like what the hell? You guys are covering stuff up, you're not. You're not the good guys. And then they leave.
Speaker 1:Um, and that is a very common tale in the office of special Affairs. Yep, okay, hopefully we answered your question. I mean, it's the same people that you're dealing with, janet Laveau, and you know there used to be Bob Keenan used to be the guy over there that would deal with some of this stuff. It's funny too, because sometimes OSA it's a public relations kind of thing and then sometimes it's a legal kind of privatized dirty tricks thing, and sometimes the same person has to be both of those people if there's not a big OSA staff in that local area. So the person who's doing the dirty tricks is also the person that has to go to the newspaper and put on the happy face and say, oh, we don't, we follow all the local rules and customs. And then meanwhile they're the same person on the other side, not following the local rules and customs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, either way, hang in there. Apostate. Alex, thank you for everything that you do and all your hard work, and to everyone that attended the IAS protest, and Janet Laveau, please stop lying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's a fun one.
Speaker 2:Jacob Harkey Mark. When Claire was in RTC, did you have to call her, sir? Mr Headley.
Speaker 1:I 100% had to call her sir and usually there wasn't really a reason for me to call her Mr Headley, because I would only have to say Mr Headley if I was talking about her. And I want to say that mainly or might've only happened a couple handful of times because her job didn't really coexist in any way with my job.
Speaker 2:They didn't we didn't interact intersect yeah yeah so. So I didn't really every once in a while if my area was in trouble, then her, then we would intersect and then and then if somebody like or if my area was in trouble, like remember, for a long time everybody in religious technology center was doing hands, which is when everybody on the whole property comes together to work on some project, and in this case we were stuffing all of the CDs into the new packaging that your area had produced.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I was known as the fastest CD stuffer on the base for whatever that's worth. I was known as the fastest CD stuffer on the base, for whatever that's worth. But I mean we're talking like stuffing CDs. You know, 24, seven multiple days in a row.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we manufactured millions and millions of compact discs, but, but you'd have to take the disc and slip it into these like case logic, little pouches, that was in this binder. And, and they're still believe it. Guys, this is the craziest. Was in this binder. And, um, and they're still believing, guys, this is the craziest thing in the world. They still sell those and making those to this day. If you go into a Scientology organization, they're going to try to sell you some CDs. Um, there's no digital, there's no downloadable versions of these things. They're selling you compact disc audio recordings. Um, in 2024, um, yes, um, but yeah. So one time somebody came down to my area and they said was mr headley here? Uh, we heard you were supposed to do this or that or the other thing, and I would be like no, no, I didn't see Mr Headley. You know to be like what, are you very?
Speaker 2:it was very, very bizarre. Okay, catherine Olsen says there. Yeah, there is no WDC anymore, Neither is there a COC moment. There you go, Because David Miscavige is systematically dismantling all the elements of Scientology management. Because why? Why would he need all that management when he runs everything himself personally? So there you have it. Yeah, Cassie in the house. Casey, just wanted to say hi and thank you guys for continuing.
Speaker 1:Claire said it, not me, not me.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, yeah, I know she, not me, okay, okay, yeah, I know she, kat casey. If you don't like it, please email me and let me know, and I won't ever do it again, I promise, but I just find it kind of funny. Just wanted to say hi and thank you guys for continuing to do the hard things. Love to you both well. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. We appreciate everyone in this community, everyone, everyone here. Thanks for helping us get the word out on the dangerous and abusive cult known as Scientology. Becky, big brother fan, how does Scientology deal with OSAM members who have to watch Going Clear Leah's show and scout out the internet for people speaking the truth about Scientology? Do they ever get deprogrammed by watching? Yes, they very definitely do. In fact, rachel Hastings has an amazing story about this, where she was sent in to watch, I think, the premiere of Going Clear with recording classes and this whole crazy undercover operation.
Speaker 1:But yes, they absolutely do get out, can you imagine they're setting scientologists to watch the going clear movie and record it with glasses so they can see what's in it?
Speaker 2:it's the most bizarre thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh my god, it is anyway great question.
Speaker 2:thank you so much for that. Yes, mary Kay. London question Do you think they are still monitoring YouTube? 100%? Yes, they very definitely are. In fact, during our lawsuit, which was 2009 to 2012, they had boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of all these internet postings printed out. It was volumes.
Speaker 1:I used to post on this website called Operation Clambake, oh, and they used to have a message board on there. It was called OCMB Operation Clambake Message Board and I would post on there all the time. They had every single post that I had posted printed off on its own page and because there were all these different lawyers and law firms and their lawyers and our lawyers and us, they had each of these things as an exhibit. So they had every single post that I had ever posted in my life on the internet in bankers boxes filed by date and by website. So they had. There was another message board called x, scientology, x, uh, x. Scientologist message board, um esmb. There was clam bake there was why we protest which was like an anonymous sort of um hub where you could post messages and there was just files and different stuff up in there. They had every post from every single one of those printed off in like 10 copies each in file folders and bangers boxes. It was insane, guys, insane.
Speaker 2:Yep. So 100%, yes, they are absolutely monitoring it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the answer to your questions yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, very definitely. Yes, no question, witness, hit the like, please. Osa will not like it at all. Absolutely monitoring it. Yeah. Yeah, the answer to your questions, yes, yes, very definitely. Yes, no question, witness hit the like, please. Osa will not like it at all. Thank you, witness, good to see you here.
Speaker 1:Thanks for the reminder oh, this is another thing. This is a great one.
Speaker 2:I totally forgot about this yeah, they give osa staff very regular sec checks, meaning interrogations on the e-meter, security checks, and they all have to do the PTS SP course three times. So potential trouble source suppressive person, basically all the material that the only reason anyone would ever even consider leaving Scientology is because they're a very bad person. All those layers of insane programming that end up making you self-gaslight to keep yourself in that organization.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And for those of you who don't know the person posting, catherine. She was just recently in the Sea Organization. She's one of the most recent Sea Org members to leave and sort of tell her story publicly. But we have talked to other Sea Org members that have left and they're all kind of telling us the same sort of things and the same sort of things that are happening. So anyway, so there you go this is a question that comes up all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mrs J. Hi, good to see you, mrs J. Question who do you think will take over from David Miscavige? Yeah, that's a good question and, honestly, my perspective is that Jenny Linson is probably, or Mark Yeager are probably likely candidates, or even, um, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I think that a lot of the insanity will crumble when david miscavige is no longer in power, though that's ultimately yeah once he leaves, it's going to just fall apart, because he's been kind of exposing all of the people that work for him to each other for years as bad people that have done horrible things. He tells those stories about the Sea Org members to other Sea Org members so they have ammunition against each other and so when, if he were to be gone, it would just be a cluster of well, yeah, but you're not the right person, because you did this and this and this, and you know you bought big pharma shares when we were attacking big pharma and driving their stock prices down. These are the sort of things that they know about each other. Love Food Kitchen.
Speaker 2:Okay, bob Keenan lives five minutes walk from me, apparently. I find it hilarious that he's so near At Apostate. Alex, if you ever want to go, say hi, let me know. Yeah, that guy. I heard that he escaped and is out.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what I heard.
Speaker 2:That guy he owes it to the world. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:He's got stories. Just from what I've read there. I don't even know if I've covered these or not, but there are. Maybe Alex, maybe apostate Alex and I could do something, but there's a whole bunch of UK spy files.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1:That's a great idea.
Speaker 2:And that way, alex, you'd get to learn firsthand what they're doing in the UK, directly from their files. That would be amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, was a big OSA operative over there and David Miscavige operative over there where he was having conference calls and they were having meetings Bob Keenan and David Miscavige, sometimes also Mike Rinder, sometimes also other PRI people would be Tommy Davis. These sort of people were meeting with Dave about things that were happening in England, mainly to do with John Sweeney and the Panorama TV show program that was being done on Scientology and how they would sort of manipulate John and outsmart him on how he was collecting the story. How he was collecting the story kind of unreal that Mike Rinder would then escape and then do the next panorama story with John. So they really they really screwed themselves on that one.
Speaker 1:We all the documents to support it. We're all there too, so yeah, Well, I think that's going to wrap it up for us today. We did all we did two giveaways, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did. Sorry if we didn't get to everyone's questions, but we appreciate you being here. We had a ton more marked, but we like to keep these things to about an hour um, so we can spend the rest of the weekend with our kiddos. We changed the time this week for the Broncos game, which was a sore disappointment. Anyhow, bummer, yeah, but there you have it.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to wrap it up and cheer everybody up. Claire, good job, good job.
Speaker 2:Yay.
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