Hey guys, welcome to the channel. We're doing a live today. It's noon here in Colorado and we're doing this live so we can get a chance for other people in other locations around the world to join in for the lives. And let's get Claire in here. There she is. Say hi, Claire.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:Let's see where everybody's at today. We've got a. We've already got a bunch of people. Oh, oh, look at this greetings from colorado. We do a live for europe and then people from colorado tune in.
Speaker 2:that's usually how it works out yeah, but I saw someone in the comments already from denmark, I was like woohoo oh nice, denmark.
Speaker 1:We got, uh, 50 degrees in central california. Now we're getting weather reports. California Now we're getting weather reports. Oh, I drove by the London org today. It's dead. Yes, the Scientology organizations around the world are pretty much dead. Oh, I thought this person was from Hungary. No, they're. All this talk of pizza made them hungry. I'm making hot dogs. I'm making hot dogs. We are gonna just try to see where we got. We got, oh, japanese. I keep seeing all these things and I think they're from places listening in from Blackpool in England, nice very cool yes, sunny and zero Celsius here in Alberta Canada.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's cold. It's about it's in the 20s here right now. It's been cold these last. Yeah, yes, sunny and zero Celsius here in Alberta Canada. Wow, that's cold. It's in the 20s here right now. It's been cold these last past few weeks months slash everything. Oh, kelly Copter. I think Kelly Copter's in here somewhere. Oh yeah, there's Kelly.
Speaker 2:Copter Kelly, I sent you an email.
Speaker 1:Kelly Copter, hit me up In London. There you up In London. There you go, another London. Let's see what else we got here. Oh, lydia Von Stretchclaw is evening everyone and evening OSA.
Speaker 2:Yes, hey, osa, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:Good morning OSA. Yeah, Depending on where you were, it's a good morning or good evening to Osa I think Sundays were always the most depressing day for me personally in the years we were in the Sea Org. In the Sea Org.
Speaker 2:Osa, if you're feeling depressed, get the heck out of there and give us a call.
Speaker 1:Well, because you had about two hours to do something for you on a Sunday morning I wash your clothes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, doesn't really count as something for you out in the real world. It does if you don't want to stink for the rest of the week, but uh but most people, when you say do something for you, most people think like oh, mani pedi or a massage. No, we're talking about make your bed and wash your clothes yeah, maybe vacuum your floor or chicken picket if you don't have a vacuum cleaner.
Speaker 1:Chicken pick. Yeah, nobody had vacuum cleaners. Everybody chicken picked. That's funny, that's true. It would be like, okay, we're going to get it, because sometimes you would actually get inspections.
Speaker 2:Yeah, white glove inspection. And if you flunked you could get humiliated publicly.
Speaker 1:Yeah you would get. It was called a birthing inspection and if you flunked a birthing inspection multiple times then you would be assigned to pig's birthing and there was like a place where the birthing was just horrible and it was called pig's birthing and that's what you'd get assigned to. I don't know. I don't ever really remember anybody getting assigned to pigs birthing at the end base do you ever remember hearing that no.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think restrict, being restricted and having to stay at OGH was worse than pigs birthing yeah, ogh was a house on the property called old Gilman house and that's where isolation was.
Speaker 1:So if you got sick, if you had a temperature or a fever, then you'd go to isolation, and that's also where they did counseling. It was so weird the way they had it set up, cause it was sick people, people that were restricted to the base, like they were security threats. They weren't allowed to leave, so they weren't a 24 hour watch, and that's also where you went if you wanted to get some counseling, and so you'd see sick people, people who don't want to be there, and hey, I'm supposed to get some counseling today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it smelled horrible. Oh my God, you could pretty much just come down sick just by smelling the smell of the isolation space yeah, there wasn't a lot of cleaning happening over there.
Speaker 1:Only the people that were sick were doing cleaning. And sick people uh I don't know if if they know this in the c-org, it's just el them, but sick people aren't the most industrious cleaners. That I've noticed from my experience. I don't know, just saying Maybe not, that's, maybe not the subset of your crew that you want to be doing the cleaning.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I remember being in isolation once there at OGH and I was hallucinating so bad that I was seeing things in my drink and things in the room. Oh my gosh, it was really bad.
Speaker 1:Why were you hallucinating?
Speaker 2:I had 103 or 104 fever.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you were having like fever dreams yeah.
Speaker 1:Yikes, okay. Well, today we don't really have any agenda. Today we were just going to do a live Q&A, hang out with you guys, answer questions. We will try to do the same thing we did last time. We did this, where we'll answer. We're definitely going to answer the super chats, but we are going to attempt to have some sort of parody with the non-super chats, so I don't want people to feel like they have to do a super chat to get their question answered. Your chances are much higher of getting it answered if you do a super chat, but we're going to try to answer some other questions as well, if we can. And we've got about it. Looks like there's about 700 people in here already.
Speaker 2:Nice, oh and hey, while we have a second before we get started we should give a shout out to Goldie and a big congratulations she's getting married this week, woohoo.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, yeah, we did send her a little something too.
Speaker 2:We're sending.
Speaker 1:We're sending.
Speaker 2:I had to get confirmation from her about something which she just gave me.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, good it's on the way.
Speaker 1:We're doing that, we're working that out, as if all you guys that don't think we take care of a Goldie, uh, we, we're we done took care of her, we're done taking care of her, we're doing it, um, and then, um, yeah, we'll do, uh, we'll do a bunch of questions and, um, we'll try to answer them as best as we can. And, yeah, I'm just looking over here to make sure that we're good. Everything sounds good, looks good. I guess, if you guys have got questions, get in that chat and get those questions. Claire will start starring them up. Let's just take a few more Now that I can see the chats populated on my end. Here we've got people from everywhere Denver, north Carolina, uh, alberta, canada, essex, uk. Uh, yeah, we got people in here from all over.
Speaker 2:So, uh, let's just get into it, oh, Naples Florida.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Awesome, everyone's giving shout-outs to Goldie and got somebody from Northern Ireland even in here. I did see that there was some nonsense about some guy who said he escaped from the Int base and he was hiding in the sniper shed. That's all complete nonsense. If you had just escaped from the base and climbed over the fence and got sliced up and were running you would the last place you would go is to the sniper's nest, because this is a security guard in there and they're the guys that are trying to let you down. So yeah, that didn't happen. Ok, you ready, ready, babe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, here we'll start it out with Denver Steve-O. Hello Mark, Hello Claire, Hello Europe, Hello Osa, which of you smells like the poo emoji? I think I know who. Okay, Denver Steve-O. Leaning into the poo humor there.
Speaker 2:Nice Look at his icon there.
Speaker 1:He has a poo emoji icon. That's true. I didn't. I never really noticed that there's so many different uh icons of people. Thanks for joining us. Denver sivo on this okay, I'm going over to claire's sunny, sunday in colorado, yeah, oh here's one, kim hallman, from philly uh clap to my favorite couple. The book was awesome. Oh, I hope she's talking about my book. Thank you, kim.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. Thanks for joining us, Kim. We appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1:This is Joe Schmo from Simcoe. Says hi Osa from Vancouver Org.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Lydia Von Stretchclaw oh, lydia, a love for non-US time zones. Love you guys for this. I have a date with John Wick, so really hoping to be back in time for this perfect day. Okay, well, I hope you get to go see John Wick. That sounds like a lot of fun. I am a I'm a John Wick fan. I like a John Wick movie. Yeah, he's, he's, he's pretty, pretty badass and all that John Wick action. I've been missing SPTV all weekend. I don't know if Mike or Aaron have been doing. I know that Aaron was doing something else besides his YouTube stuff, so I don't know what he's been doing in terms of videos and stuff like that. But here we are, we're doing it. Alexandra Kitsy says love you guys' channel.
Speaker 1:Can you explain how Scientology gets away with obstruction of correspondence? It is a federal offense to open, destroy, et cetera, someone else's mail. That's easy. When you join the C organization, you have to sign a form that says they can open your mail for you and go coming and going, and that's how they get away with it and that is pretty much. Mike Rinder would be able to comment more thoroughly on this, but I think that's pretty much how they get away with. Everything is. They have you sign a document that they can open your mail, that they can abuse you, that you can't sue them when after they abuse you.
Speaker 2:That you're a volunteer and that's why they can just pay you $46 a week, Like basically everything they've ever been accused of. They have a document for that that's legally been reviewed to the tune of, you know, probably tens of thousands of dollars in lawyer bills to make sure that it's solid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, claire did a. Um. Thank you for that question, alexandra.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Uh, claire did an interview with, uh, jeff Hawkins. Uh, I think the first one came out last week. Yes, it came out this past Wednesday, I want to say, and she did a part two with Jeff, and in the interview he's talking about how he was signing these documents. When you leave, they make you sign everything you've already signed. They make you sign it again and they make you sign a confession that you're evil and you're horrible, and you're the reason why you're evil and you're horrible and you're the reason why, uh, you're leaving. Not them, it's, it's, it's you, not them. Uh, you all.
Speaker 2:These are all the horrible things you've ever done and, um, and you will not say anything bad about them yeah, and which, by the way, just to clarify, to expound on on the point you just said about, they say this is everything bad you've ever done. That's the reason you're leaving. They take your confidential priest penitent confessions and put them in documents Like seriously, what in the world? It makes me so angry? It's its own special, unique form of abuse that's particular to Scientology, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they cull through all of your files your counseling files, your personnel files, any reports you've written. They cull through all of those and they make a list of everything you've ever confessed to and they put that in this document that you sign. And the thing that I thought was particularly interesting about what Jeff was saying was they videoed him doing this and you see him signing the documents and there's a lawyer across from him at the table, their lawyer. He doesn't have a lawyer, but the best part is, he said, right outside of the video frame there's a security guard standing there like this like yep, sign those documents. But you don't see him in the video, but he's right off camera making sure that you sign everything. And you're a good little boy before you before they uh, kick you to the curb and they used to.
Speaker 1:When people would leave, they would give them 500 as a severance pay. I mean, you work there for 15 years for a hundred hours a week, so the least they could do is give you enough money to buy a bus or plane ticket to somewhere and then that's it. They're out of, they're out of your, you're out of their hair. But now they're paying people fifty thousand, twenty thousand. So if you are in the Sea Org member, if you are in the Sea Org and you're thinking of leaving and you know you're going to play it nice and you're going to sign out all their documents and everything, tell them you want 50K, okay, or 100K. Tell them you want 100K and they'll most likely write you a check for 100K. Margaret, is it Margaret? Margaret, yeah, I think I said it right.
Speaker 1:Margaret Nielsen um, what is this story with the danish film crew? What was you doing with them? Uh, love to you both and rest. Rest of sp tv from denmark. Yes, um, thank you, margaret. Um, I was doing a tv show that a Danish film crew had come to Los Angeles to film, and I think we'd lived in Colorado by this time. So I flew out to LA I hadn't been back to the base, like walking around on the highway, I don't think ever before that time and this Danish film crew came to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1:We did some interviews and how do I say this shortly? Okay, they had a guy from Denmark that was in the show as well and he had left Scientology, but he told this story when we were doing the interviews. He was interviewed separately, but one of the things I talked about was that he went to the location in Florida and with the Clearwater, the flag land base, the Clearwater Scientology complex there, and something happened. He didn't want to be there anymore and he was trying to leave and he got locked up. He got locked in a room by this guy from RTC, and this guy from RTC was like he was what was called an MAA or a master at arms and they're the people. They're kind of like the police inside Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, instead of dishing out tickets, they dish out punishment yeah and they carry the baton remember yeah, they have like a swagger stick, like a little, a little wood, little like wacky with kind of thing, and um, and so he told this story about this guy from RTC that locked him up in Florida. Anyway, so we are, we go to the base and and this guy comes with us, this Danish guy comes with us and I'm going to like, show him around, like from the highway, like oh, that's where I used to work and that's where this is, and anyway. So we get there, we park on down the road from the property and we walk up there and it's a whole film crew, danish film crew. There's like a producer and an interviewer and a camera guy and an audio guy at the whole thing, whole production. And we're walking down the highway and these cars start coming out and then they park where our cars are and they all these Seahawk members jump out and they start yelling at me like a lot of them. All these Sea Org members jump out and they start yelling at me like a lot of them.
Speaker 1:It was a girl named Eve Laws, a camera guy named Paul Sarkany, a guy that I used to work with, kevin McHenry. This girl, catherine Frazier, which, if you want to see who Catherine Frazier is. There's a video, there's a film with Lewis Thoreau where she's arguing with him about turning off the camera, and I'll see if I can find this Danish documentary that we did and we'll put a link to it in the description of this video so you guys can see it's amazing.
Speaker 2:But and don't forget my cousin Amber, her cousin Amber.
Speaker 1:And now here's the most crazy part of this whole thing. This guy, his name was Robert Dam, this Danish guy, and when he told this story a few days or the day before, whenever he talked about this guy from RTC locking him up, well, they sent one more person out to the highway and they didn't know who this Robert Dam guy was. I mean, he was some public scientologist at florida. So who at the int base, the in headquarters of scientology, who there would possibly know this random scientologist guy? Well, there was one person on the highway that knew him. His name was john stumkey and he used to be an rtc and he used to be in RTC and he used to be in MAA in Florida, and they sent him out because he now worked at the base.
Speaker 2:And John even had personal interaction with Robert. He had locked him up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you just locked him up in a room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was the guy, and they and he said he said the guy's name was John Stumkey. Anyway, so we're out on the highway and I'm like going around and I'm going and I'm, while they're screaming and yelling at me for the Danish film crew, I'm explaining who each person is, I'm identifying oh, this is Paul, this is Eve, oh, that's John Stumkey. And the Robert guy goes wait a minute, you're John Stumkey. He goes, yeah, and he goes wait a minute, you're John Stumkey. And he goes. Yeah, and he goes. Do you remember locking me? And it was the weirdest thing. But the best part is that John Stumkey was screaming and yelling very loud, like he is a loud guy just normally, but he was screaming and yelling at me and the Danish film.
Speaker 1:I think he's one of the most antagonistic, nasty people I've ever met. Yeah, he is pretty aggro, just on a regular basis. He he can slip into angry. That's a. That's a. That's first gear for him. That's like he's already angry and neutral and first gear is crazy angry and then he just goes up from there yeah excuse me anyway.
Speaker 1:So he's screaming and yelling and the danish film crew is saying hey, could you stop yelling? We're like we're just trying to find out some information here and you guys are screaming at us and he's not screaming. They screamed back at us. He's not screaming, he just talks loud. Oh my god, it was pretty amazing. Anyway, we'll put a link to it in the description. But I was there shooting a documentary with this danish film crew and, um, I must say, I must say, you kept your cool on that much I did I, I would have been like my.
Speaker 2:My parallel experience to that was when I was working with Tom Tobin and Joe Childs for a whole part of the whole series that the Tampa Bay Times was doing and I lived and we pulled up because we were essentially doing a reenactment of like all the steps that I went through when I escaped. And we pulled up on Sublet Road outside the house where you and I used to live, and before we even got out of the car, joe turns to me and he says so. So how long do you think it will take before the security guard, the rover, shows up and I was like, oh, I'd give it like 30, 45 seconds. He's like seriously, he opened the door, his foot had not even hit the road and security was on site.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's so funny that people think, um, oh, nothing's going to happen, what, why would they do that? That's insane. They gonna do that. Um and um yeah. They're like huh, uh. And then you get there and exactly what you say was gonna happen happens like yes to the, to the second, and they're like yeah, they're like wow, that's crazy yeah, like they kind of.
Speaker 2:They kind of think like maybe we might be exaggerating, because really, I mean, who could, how could security show up off property in 30, 45 seconds? But sure enough, boom, there they are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's. This is a great one, nova Jeanne Warts, this channel is almost exactly like Church of Scientology. Super chatters are treated like celeb center Cylons Freeloaders are treated like SPs, with the freeloader debt. I am waiting for you to pick up my keyboard Now. You must have missed it, nova. We said we're going to answer non super chats and super chats. We welcome all here.
Speaker 2:We do both. I'll say that. We're not ripping off elderly people here either, like they do at cos. And let me just say the way that this works when the super chats come through, just like it does for the, for the viewers they're in bright colors, so your attention is automatic automatically drawn to them and it anyway. But I'm doing my best to do a mix like we agreed on and we just did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, louise. How do you say that, milne?
Speaker 2:Louise Milne.
Speaker 1:Louise Milne, first time catching a live. Massive admiration for both of you. Thank you, louise.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Louise.
Speaker 1:David McSavage, mcsavage, mcsavage. What's going on here?
Speaker 2:Then you lot.
Speaker 1:What's going on here, then you lot, and why wasn't I invited? Oh, I get it.
Speaker 2:He's David, miss Savage, mick Savage.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that's hilarious. Okay, thank you. Yeah, if you're going to do a question, don't waste it on nonsense Rep Jackalope, it on nonsense rep Jackalope. Ever see a non sparrows monthly protest at Chicago, or any idea why they were all deleted? Well, first of all, I think a non sparrow. That's an anonymous fella named a non sparrow. He was ticketing in our picketing in DC, where yeah, that's what I remember.
Speaker 1:Not Chicago. And yes, I have seen his videos. And yes, I traveled to DC on a regular basis for work and one or two of the times that I went I think at least once or twice that I went there I actually had lunch with the guy and went and picketed with him, as well as a like hey, let's go see what this is all about with him, as well as a like, hey, let's go see what this is all about. And and I actually ended up videoing a whole interaction. That happened and I don't know if I even posted. I think I'm pretty sure I put it up somewhere. Anyway, thank you for that, jackalope. Kim s says hi, mark and Claire. I rewatched your aftermath episode yesterday. Heartbreaking, so glad you got the bleep out of there. Yes, we are too. Thank you, kim. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Thanks, kim, and thanks for watching. There's a lot on there that we just can't talk about here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, almost all of it we can't talk about here. Yeah, okay. Oh, here's another one from Margaret. Do you think it's possible to get a bobblehead and a copy of Mark's book on the same order, so I don't have to pay shipping to Denmark twice? It's a birthday present to myself. Yes.
Speaker 2:I have the answer for that. I have the answer for that and I think, margaret I'm sorry, I think you might have emailed me yesterday or the day before and I didn't respond yet but yes, you can do that by just placing an order on the SP shop and there's a donation, so you can just add the extra cost for the book and put it in the note that it's for a book, and we'll ship them together, cause, yes, shipping internationally is just outrageous these days, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think it got worse with the uh, with all the shutdowns and all that stuff I think it definitely did.
Speaker 2:for a while we couldn't even ship to Australia at all.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is true. It just said no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this shipment is not possible.
Speaker 1:It's like we would ship everywhere all the time. And then one time we went to ship to Australia it was like no, that's not enough. That drop down is like not there anymore.
Speaker 2:You can't do it, it's just enough. That drop down is like not there anymore. You can't do it, it's just gone.
Speaker 1:That's weird. Was out one week on fam vacay after your cruise. I've missed you so Well. Thank you, eva, we're here now. We're here, we're back. Mark, besides Depeche Mode, what other bands do you like that are from that era? New Order, cure, sisters of Mercy, the Smiths, modern English yes, all those Perfect. I'm not the biggest Sisters of Mercy fan, but all the other ones I'm a pretty big fan of. But I'm not collecting them in a giant cabinet and cataloging all of every single cassette, dvd, all that good stuff. I just added a new cubbyhole, so each one of those cabinets behind me is a different album and it's all of the singles cassettes, dvds, cds, mds, vhs, laserdiscs for that album, anything any remix or single for that album, and they just came. Depeche Mode just came out with an album on Thursday and so I had to add another cabinet and it's already starting to fill up again. So, thank you, I like those questions. Yay, I finally get to catch one live at 8 pm from Johannesburg, south Africa. Wow, also, first ever super chat. Name Alistair.
Speaker 2:Alistair, alistair, nice, that's awesome. That is amazing.
Speaker 1:I don't know what it looks like on your end, alistair, but it looks like alien hieroglyphics on my screen on this end, Thank you for that.
Speaker 2:We don't even know what that currency is, z-a-r it.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that we don't even know what that currency is. Z-a-r. It's Zimbabwe.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something I guess I don't know. You know, I don't know, I'm just making stuff up. Thank you. Thank you for that. Alistar Snooki sends a super snigger. Thank you, snooki. Thank you, snooki. Napoleon Rags. Hey guys, can you all take a week off at the end of April?
Speaker 2:you know, so I can keep up with the NFI draft.
Speaker 1:Thanks, it says NFI, but yeah, I guess it could be NFL.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's a lower case L.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all capitalized there Napoleon and Rags but yeah, we can take a week off, no problem. You know we actually have speaking of week offs, we have a lot of stuff. So, claire just had a video come out with Jeff on Wednesday. Part two comes out next Wednesday. We have a podcast coming out every Tuesday and this Thursday we have another Spy File video coming out.
Speaker 1:We had to take a break from the Spy Files because there were so many Spy Files happening and we couldn't even talk about them because we were so busy dealing with them in real life. So we've picked that back up again. And for those who like to listen to podcasts, you can get all of these on podcasts and actually the SP files come a day early. They come out a day earlier on the podcast for whatever it's worth. It's just the way it worked out. So, yeah, if you want to get it, catch a spy file early, you can head over to the podcast and listen to it before it comes out up on YouTube. Question were there any PIs on your cruise? There could have been. I have been. Did you notice any babe?
Speaker 2:I did not, but we were just focusing on relaxing and having fun. We weren't doing anything that anybody should take any issue with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if there were PIs on the cruise, they have pictures of us having fun, drinking large of alcohol in on a regular, continuous basis making ourselves look like fools speaking by by ourselves, I mean me, uh, looking like dancing fools yeah, dancing crazily um, relaxing on beaches, cabanas, swimming pools and having fun with the kids pools and having fun with the kids and eating way, way, way, way, way too much food.
Speaker 1:So if those, if the videos, if they, if they put out any more videos on their hate sites or on their Twitter trolls that put out stuff, I'd like to see that I might have some new content we don't know about. That could be fun actually I love that they they have to photoshop our photos for our websites yeah, they have to, let make us to try and make us look nasty yeah, I went to a party at there's a gal named tori chrisman, who she used to work for osa on the internet. That was.
Speaker 2:Her job was to combat sps on the internet as a scientologist like she was one of the people that we now say hi to yes, she, when you say hi osa, she was one of those people yes, exactly and she read so much stuff on the internet that she left scientology and she joined the sps.
Speaker 1:Anyway, her name is name is Tori Christman. She has a YouTube video. Let's put a. Can you get the link to that and we'll put it in the description?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I talked to Tori. I'm going to be doing an interview with her after I'm done working on this current series. I'm working on Perfect. Yep.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I'm at a, I'm at a party at Tori's house and somebody took a picture of me and they posted it on Facebook or I don't know. It could have. It could have even been my space. It was so long ago.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And, um, and I have a tooth I don't know which side it's. On this one there's a. I have a gap, just a little gap right there. That tooth is just a little narrow and because there's a gap there, they just Photoshopped out the rest of the tooth and so they have a hate. They have me like smiling and laughing, and I'm just missing a tooth right there, because my mouth is open and I'm smiling, so you can see my teeth. And when I saw it I thought, oh my gosh, that gap is getting so much bigger. And then I looked and I'm like, oh no, no, they just removed the whole tooth in Photoshop. So that's the kind of stuff they do they try to find the worst pictures they can find of us and then they make us look even worse.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, fun, weird question, but how many siblings does Shelly have? I've only heard of her older, who was married to JB. Are all of them in the Sea Orc? Well now, this is a good question. I'm going to let Claire answer it, but don't go too much, claire, because, excuse me, because Claire's going to talk to a bunch of these people and a bunch of the people that know Shelley and they're going to go through Shelley's entire life history on this series that Claire's working on, from from a small child to current.
Speaker 2:So but three is the answer that I know of. I'll double check that just to make sure there's none that I'm missing and none of them, it's three. Yeah, only one of them is still in the Sea Org, so hopefully sometime in the near future she escapes and can be on my series. Wouldn't that be amazing.
Speaker 1:It would be amazing. And the crazy thing is that I worked with two of her sisters quite extensively. So then, including the one that's still there, the one that's still there I worked with the most, and I worked with her for years and years and years, because she um, as along with shelly, also worked with l ron hubbard and she ended up working in golden era productions and worked in the cassette manufacturing area, where I worked, and she was the one that made the cassettes and I was the one that checked the cassettes. So I know her very well.
Speaker 1:Her name is CB, or Clarice Barnett, which was then Clarice Bruce oh, and she was actually married to the gentleman John Bruce oh, who escaped from the Property, and he was the one who made all these custom motorcycles for Tom Cruise and Dave Miscavige, and he made him this custom bulletproof van that Dave used to drive around, anyway. So, yeah, that was not a weird question and we were able to answer it. It's a miracle. See how things happen here. Sometimes it all goes well. Jesse Schaefer says Lady Veritas needs some love. Jesse Schaefer says Lady Veritas needs some love. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:But we'll give Lady Veritas some love, sending love, lady Veritas, for whatever it is that you need some love.
Speaker 1:Not sure what that's all about. We must have missed some context there.
Speaker 2:We grew up in a cult, so that could be a very obvious thing to everybody else no, I think there's just some chats going by really fast that we might have missed Okay. I think there's just some chats going by really fast that we might have missed Okay.
Speaker 1:Lisa Cobra says is Landmark a Scientology offshoot business, sort of like WISE? Well, WISE is the World Enterprise of Scientology Enterprises and it is a Scientology enterprise. It's not an offshoot enterprise. It's not an offshoot. Landmark, as far as I know, was started by somebody who had some involvement in Scientology and it is a cousin of Scientology, not an authorized one. There is no authorized offshoot of Scientology or other thing. But W wise is 100% an authorized Scientology activity. So but yes, landmark is some like a, like a, like a bastard, like a bastard cousin. That's what landmark is and it's all nonsense. So landmark is equally as nonsense as Scientology. Thank you for that, Lisa. Equally as nonsense as Scientology. Thank you for that, Lisa. Vernon Salvatieria says did you know, Kelly Preston? I did, I actually gave, I told a story about it somewhere. It could have been on here. It could have been on Aaron's channel. It probably was on Aaron's channel.
Speaker 1:I was in charge of the for a long while, the cinematography film team, the shoot crew. I was the shoot crew chief and then after that I became the pre-production director, which is kind of up and over. So instead of being over the shoot production, I was over the pre-production which got everything ready for the shoot production team and I was sort of the king of the castle. I was the. I was there the entire during the entire time that we had built this giant building to film in with a huge studio called the Cine or Cinematography, the Cine Castle. And so when John Travolta and Kelly Preston came to the international headquarters and David Miscavige brought them to the Sydney Castle, I was the one who would do these type of tours because I knew everything about the castle and and how everything worked, and I was also, you know, a chatty bastard like I am today, so I could kind of pull off giving a tour to John and Kelly. But the best part of that was is that she was pregnant with her first daughter at the time.
Speaker 2:Ella Blue and.
Speaker 1:Ella Blue and I was not.
Speaker 1:I'm in the Sea Org for, you know, probably going on 10 years by the time this happened and I started there when I was you, 16, 17 at the end base, and I had not been a lot around a lot of pregnant women and I knew what Kelly Preston looked like.
Speaker 1:But then when she was in front of me she looked a little different and she was several, several months I want to say like six or seven months pregnant and, um, her personalities were really uh, coming out and uh, and so they walked into this, they walked into this foyer where I was supposed to greet them and give them the tour and I was just stunned into silence by, uh, by kelly and her new uh acquisitions, and I was just staring I was 100% just staring in silence at Kelly Preston's, at her chest, right in front of me, and Dave Miscavige and John Travolta are watching me stare at these and Dave goes, hmm, and I said let's do a tour and I was like, oops, yeah, it was a bit awkward for about just just a half a second or so, but yeah, I had a. I took a pregnant pause, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:By the way side comment.
Speaker 1:Side comment.
Speaker 2:Do you know what religious? That was a good one Side comment.
Speaker 1:I got caught a little side comment there, if you know what I mean, guys comment.
Speaker 2:I got a caught a little side comment there, if you know what I mean, guys, did I ever tell you what uh religious technology center gave?
Speaker 1:ella gave kelly as a present when ella blue was born uh is membership yeah, lifetime baby you know they do that to celebrities I know, it's so bizarre you know somebody. They did that to somebody else. I want to say they did that to my friend, jason. Jason Begay said that when one of his kids were born, and maybe even both of them, they gave them lifetime memberships for the kids. Which what is a lifetime membership cost?
Speaker 2:At least what I remember. Yeah, it was $5,000.
Speaker 1:$5,000. So can you imagine? They're the ones that create the membership. So to them it's a card with a name on it.
Speaker 2:Right, there's no actual value. It just gives you a discount for services right, or at least it used to. I don't know if it does anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what a weird move Give Scientology celebrities, as a present when they have a kid, a free Scientology lifetime membership for their child that's just born, gosh.
Speaker 2:Bizarre.
Speaker 1:Gosh, those guys suck. Anyway, all these Europeans are like, wow, they're talking about boobs first thing in the morning on a Sunday.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, oh. And, by the way, apostate Alex is here. He just made a great comment. Oh lifetime membership that expires when you leave. Exactly, we were given lifetime memberships as a perk quote unquote of being int-based staff and, yes, of course, I think I might even still have that card somewhere.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I might have to dig that out.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure they're letting us into any Scientology orcs with that. They're going to see us. They'll be like no, we know who you guys are. Anthony Spurgeon, mark, have you seen any of the training vids Hubbard shot? Is there a copy of them somewhere? There are actually. There's a lot. There's one. You can actually buy several of them from Scientology. Buy several of them from Scientology old lectures and stuff that he did in the 50s and the 60s that they've remastered and they've retouched and he looks as horrible, like fixed up, he looks rough.
Speaker 1:I want to say we spent several hundred thousand dollars back in the day before they had the equipment there at the base to do it themselves. We spent hundreds of thousands of dollars colorizing old, uh, scientology, uh, lectures that hubbard had done on film. And, yeah, his lips, they colorized one and he literally has purple teeth and lips and and that was the approved, like retouched version. So he was a rough looking dude and when he started getting up there and he also was not, uh, he was not a fan of the dentist, like he did not like dentists, so his teeth were nasty Like, uh, talk about potty mouth. That Where's Denver's Devo? I'll tell you what smelled like poo was Elmer Hubbard's breath. That's what smelled like poo. So yes, oh, here we go. Czar is South African Rand. There you go, thank you. Thank you, was it Alistair, alistair?
Speaker 2:Alistair.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Was it Alistair, alistair, alistair? Thank you, alistair. Cosa, precedent has been set. Come out for good and play. Yes, thank you, lydia. Yeah, no, it has happened. It's rare, but it has happened. Maria de Jesus de Jesus Gutierrez, from Tony Ortega's page.
Speaker 1:I posted the two links to parts one and two of the Danish film crew outside of int above, but can't put them in a super chat. Okay, we'll get the look at the link. Yeah, so there's one thing about that. There is the Danish documentary that was filmed and shot. And then what's on Tony Ortega's page was me with my phone filming the Scientology and this is the crazy thing. So Scientology was filming me, the Danish film crew were filming Scientology and me and I was filming the Danish film crew and Scientology. So we were all shooting each other and I think the videos that are on Tony Ortega's site, those were from my iPhone and the funny thing about those videos is Claire did say I kept my cool.
Speaker 1:I really did keep my cool. For anybody that knows me, I really kept my cool. They were all screaming and yelling at me. I really kept my cool. They were all screaming and yelling at me and for this part, I was showing them pictures of me at Disneyland with my kids. Oh, this is me at the beach. Oh, this is my jet ski. I'm going jet skiing every weekend with the boys. And I was showing them all my family pictures and telling them like you guys are screaming and yelling and you're like, oh, you're all angry and you're all worked up. And I'm not, because I sleep every night. I go to the movies, I eat on a regular basis, I go on vacations with my kids, and so I was trying to be chill. And um and here's the most awesome part about that One of those people went back to work after that and was talking with another gal who ended up escaping and he told her that he should have left.
Speaker 1:When I left, like he was like what am I doing? I just I've been here for another 10 years wasting my time and Mark's out there living it up. Anyway, yeah, so thank you for that, maria. Does anybody hear like a little crackly or a little buzzing? Do you hear that sound, claire? I hear every once in a while. I just hear this little. Yeah, anyway, I think we've got, I think my computer down here has got some BTs, some unhandled BTs, body things.
Speaker 2:Maybe you've got a cluster hanging in there that you need to bust out of there.
Speaker 1:I definitely got some clusters around here, that's for sure. Freya the dog hi from Sweden. I'm so intrigued in cults. Keep up the good work, thank you. I spent some time over in Sweden, in Malmo, just a few days, picking up some speakers for a thing I was doing in Copenhagen for the Scientology folks over at Jean Bonnegay. It was called the AOSHEU, so the Advanced Organization of St Hill for Europe, and it's in Copenhagen, right in Denmark, and I was setting up all these audio visual systems and all the secret cameras that record the counseling and all kinds of stuff. And they wanted this lounge right as you walk in the the organization. There's like a lounge for them to bring like very VIPs, very important people that they want to introduce to Scientology, and the speakers that they wanted in there were these really super high end speakers, and I couldn't get them in Copenhagen. I had to take the flying boat over to Malmo or something like that. Does that make sense? Is there a flying boat to Malmo? Am I just like not remembering?
Speaker 2:Probably a hover boat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, well, that's what they called it. They called it the flying boat that was actually the name of it.
Speaker 2:I've never heard it called a flying boat Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you guys, if Danes and Swedes we only called it hover boats in English. No.
Speaker 1:Danes and Swedes, you got to help me out. Man, was that thing called the flying boat or what? When I did this? But I want to say, and again, I grew up in a cult and this was, you know, 1995. So if I'm missing out any details, please correct me. But there's some old Danes and Swedes in here know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:In Denmark, the drinking age I want to say was 18, and the drinking age in Sweden was like 21 or 19 or 20 or something. It was more, it was higher than denmark. So these flying boats on friday afternoon would be filled with swedes that are 19 and 20 and 21 and they're coming over to denmark, to copagen, to get drunk over in Copenhagen because they can drink and be 18. And by the, I want to say, by Saturday night, copenhagen was destroyed. Every weekend there's just beer bottles in the street, people trash everywhere, people pee here there doing all kinds of nonsense and the whole town just looked like it was overrun by partiers.
Speaker 1:And this was a weekly occurrence. It would happen Friday night and Saturday night and then I think, like Saturday and Sunday, all the Swedes would just take the flying boats back to Malmo. So it would be, you wouldn't want to go on a flying boat from Sweden to Copenhagen on Friday and you wouldn't want to go the other way on like late Saturday or early Sunday, because it just be all these drunk oh you know what do you call it Hungover Swedes sleeping on the flying boat. Anyway, I hope there's some flying boat people that I got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hans Christian Swartz said that, yes, fly boat is correct, but it's a literal translation. Somebody else said so yeah, it is hoverboat, but their literal translation in Sweden is flyboat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what they call it there the flying boat.
Speaker 2:I know, but it's not actually Anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1:I know it's a hoverboard but they call it the flying boat.
Speaker 2:Not board Hoverboat.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's board Hoverboat. Call it the flying boat, not bored hoverboard. Board hoverboat, yeah, hoverboat, yep, oh, my goodness. Anyway, I'm telling you and the danes and the swedes that were around in the 90s I, I'm spitting facts here they know it. Yeah, um, oh, here's a good one.
Speaker 1:Does osa have a picture of mark passed out on the street in Sweden? No, they don't, because I was in the Sea Org and I definitely could not drink, or I didn't drink. And OK, here it is. Oh, I got it. Where did it go? Oh, some dude said exact, here it is Freya. Oh, what happened there? It is Freya. What happened there? It is Freya.
Speaker 1:You could drink at 18, but buy alcohol in store at 20. That's why we went to Denmark. There you go. I'm telling you guys, I'm still trapping up here. That's what's going on. Good morning from Melbourne, australia. I have been corrected by Mike many times Melbourne, you don't say Melbourne, you say Melbourne. I think I got that right. He's corrected me so many times. I could have it wrong. I could be saying it wrong. Wow, lydia Van Stretchclot, david Miscavige, this is living proof that there's such a thing as bad publicity. Oh, yeah, definitely. Ok, what do we got here. Are we going to do questions? I don't know what's going on. Oh star, here we go. I veered into the Mad Max zone to find some comments about speed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like, wow, I don't remember marking that for. Yes, yes, Mark's going free balling freewheeling Whoa, hey, take it easy, free, free balling freewheeling whoa, hey, take it easy there.
Speaker 1:This is a very x-rated podcast for a sunday. Vernon salvataria claire, did mike render apologize for the car accident? Were both of you injured? Neither of us were injured and you know honestly you got to give a little bit of backstory, because not everybody knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it was like 4 o'clock in the morning and probably 2002, 2003,. It was pouring rain in Hemet. This was when Mike and I both were working in Religious Technology Center. Like I said, 4 o'clock in the morning, I was driving a vehicle up the main road and Mike was driving on a road that intersected and right at the last minute he turned to go left and smashed into my car. Neither of us were hurt. We were both kind of stunned. I think we both had maybe two hours of sleep at the time, so we weren't exactly like you know best driving awareness conditions. But yeah, no, we're all good. Mike and I never, never had run-ins, despite many opportunities where we could have.
Speaker 1:So we had here's the million dollar question. Okay, Yep.
Speaker 1:When I had that motorcycle accident. I had a motorcycle accident where I I was foggy and I was driving and I hit a curb and I flipped and scratched my helmet. You wrote a report on me, um, that I had had an accident and that I was a potential trouble source. And then I would, and it took me like six months to do a bunch of nonsense to be able to drive again and security put a big padlock around my bike and I couldn't drive my motorcycle. When you had that accident with Mike, did you? Did you guys write knowledge reports on each other about having an accident?
Speaker 2:I don't think so.
Speaker 1:So it was sort of like it was an accident that you were involved in and Mike was involved in and you guys both kind of just agreed to let that ride and then you were able to just drive and do and live your life as you wanted with no repercussions. Am I right?
Speaker 2:I don't know where you're going with this, but you know what. You're reading way too much into this.
Speaker 1:But no, I just want to know were you PTSing off the road after you had your accident? No, I wasn, wasn't, was anybody hurt, no, no, but was hurt, so sort of like exactly the same situation as that I experienced, but I was not able to drive for six months after that, you, you were because someone, because someone wrote a report on me that said, though I was sore, I wasn. Nothing was broke, it was just kind of damaged.
Speaker 2:I don't know. We're talking about something. So what year was it that that happened? 2004. When?
Speaker 1:what.
Speaker 2:So when. I wrote the report on you.
Speaker 1:When did the accident with you and Mike happen?
Speaker 2:Probably 2003.
Speaker 1:2004. 2004.
Speaker 2:Probably right around my point is it? Was almost 20 years, almost 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:Soon you will get over this it's a good story okay, it is mystic wolf says why this sudden increase of scientology, putting up so many more hate videos? Everyone, you all, must be hitting a nerve. Love my sptv. Wow, mystic wolf, I thought they were just going hard on aaron. Um, excuse me, I didn't know. They put up new hate videos about us. They were a lot. It was a lot of twitter. Um, actually, now that I think of it, aaron did say they put up a new one of me where they re-edited a video where I talked about passing out on hollywood boulevard when I had first escaped from the c-org and got blackout drunk at my birthday. Me, where they re-edited a video where I talked about passing out on Hollywood Boulevard when I had first escaped from the Sea Org and got blackout drunk at my birthday because a fashion designer just happened to have a giant open bar party the same night as my birthday. And then invite me to said party with full open bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not sure. I think it's because I keep bouncing all over the map on why they're doing this now, but I think it's because of the people that we're helping escape we are. We are helping so many Scientologists get out of Scientology and because and this is the crazy thing because Scientology says that we're so horrible and they say that we're the most evil people in the world and that we've done all these horrible things like lick crackers, that Scientologists that are leaving, sort of, are trying to find out what's going on with us, like what are we doing, what are we up to? And then they come over here and they see that we're helping people leave, and then they join up and then we help them leave and correct me if I'm wrong, claire. A lot of the people that we are helping, we are finding out like a lot of dastardly stuff that's going on inside Scientology from these people.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Like absolutely illegal. Yeah, like not, not. Not like they're licking crackers over there. No, we're talking about stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from elderly people and and and continuing to do all the same stuff they've been doing for you know 70 years like destroying families and bankrupting people and all that. You know 70 years like destroying families and bankrupting people and all that.
Speaker 1:But now they're in a whole new realm of like unbelievable crime that's happening in there, and so we've been finding out about it and we've been talking about it, and some of these people I mean, I'm just going to say some of these people that they've stolen money from these people are getting their money back, and when Scientology members find out about people getting money back, then they start thinking about maybe leaving is a good idea, because Scientology is a very good chance that if you're still involved in Scientology at this time, you have been robbed or defrauded in some way and you have a very, very viable recourse, options of recourse, and Scientology will write you a check.
Speaker 1:So that is so. Not only are we getting people out, but we're getting people their money back. We getting people out, but we're getting people their money back. We are reporting, of course. We're reporting all of these crimes to law enforcement and authorities and federal authorities and all that sort of thing, but that I think that it's kind of like a one to punch, like we never thought about when we left. We were on our own completely yeah, it was rough.
Speaker 2:It was, yeah, it was rough, I think, by the time I made it to you in kansas city I had maybe what 15 dollars left yeah and we had the clothes on our back. We didn't get our belongings back for four months yeah four months we didn't have clothes nothing we had nothing and we, we, we literally had the clothes on our back yeah
Speaker 1:and we didn't have any job. We had no real world experience. Her family we couldn't talk to. My family we couldn't talk to except for my dad, which we didn't even know that he would let us stay with him. We didn't even know that he would let us stay with him. We didn't even know that he had a place for us to stay. We ended up, I think, about a year, but it took us about a year to sort of like get our bearings. I want to say about a year. We were pretty much like okay, we got this, but that first year Including some pretty rocky moments during that.
Speaker 1:That first year was a pretty hit or miss in terms of are we going to be able to pull this off? And if we had somebody like an organization that would have helped us out, helped us find a place, tell us how credit works. We didn't even know how credit worked.
Speaker 2:We didn't have credit cards. I mean all of that. Yeah, help us with the resume or even just to talk to us, like it's a lot to process getting the heck out of there, and even I mean I'm I'm just grateful that I at least had you.
Speaker 2:It's even more so for people that get out by themselves and have nobody to talk to that can understand and relate to what they've lived through. Anyway. But yeah, so that's where the Aftermath Foundation, I think, is definitely hitting a nerve and on that note, I thought we should just take a moment to mention. You and I are on the board. Of course, our time is completely volunteer. We are not paid. I'm the treasurer but we have an amazing network of volunteers and we are absolutely gaining momentum with some incredible resources and help from the foundation carries no caveat or requirement that you're going to share your story. But for those who decide that the foundation helps and gets out, who then do want to share their story amazing, that's great and obviously that helps people to know the good work the foundation does. But, like you said, we've learned some horrific stories and those are coming, so it's yeah, yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1:And that was what I was sort of getting around to was that we don't require that anybody says anything about themselves after they leave, if they want to disappear right off to the sunset and live their life, and we never hear about them. That's awesome, that's great. The people that we have helped and have spoken out have completely done so on their own, and we don't really even encourage them to do it, because when you first get out, you're like Starman, you're like an alien. You don't know anything in the real world for the most part. You're like Starman, you're like an alien. You don't know anything in the real world for the most part. For these people who've been like some of the people we've been getting out have been in for 25, 35 years, since they were a child. They spent their entire life there and they'd never been in the log world, as Scientology call it, anyway. So but the fact that we were able to help people, that's the whole reason we're doing it. The fact that they're speaking out, bonus the fact that we're finding out about current crimes being committed inside by Scientology executives and management and actual members that's. That's a very unspoken thing in Scientology.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of Scientology. On Scientology crime that happens in Scientology. You hear about these Ponzi schemes and these guys ripping people off. Most of the people that rip it off are their fellow Scientologists. I hate to break it to you so. And you can't sue another Scientologist. And that's why there's so much Scientology on Scientology crime, because if you make millions and millions of dollars off of other Scientologists and then you give some of that to Scientology, you're not the one gonna be getting in trouble, it's gonna be the guy that's squeaking and making noise about it. So, anyway, that is the reason because we're helping people get out, we're reporting their crimes. Reason because we're helping people get out, we're reporting their crimes and we're airing it out on the internet for everybody to find out about. And you know, some people who watch these videos may have a little bit more influence than others, but they all matter, so we're getting it out to everybody.
Speaker 2:Every voice counts, every voice naomi hails, a Every horse.
Speaker 1:Naomi Hales, morning Mark. Hey Naomi, morning Naomi. I was going to try to say I was going to try to mix them. It didn't work. I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 2:My brain says no, you were going to say morning Naomi.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. My brain could not make that work. Rural SD lawyer.
Speaker 2:SD lawyer, another frequent flyer. Good to see you back. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Law tuber. Emily D Baker was prosecutor in LA. She has mentioned being threatened in a case involving COS. She would be a great person to interview. She would be. I totally believe that. I wouldn't doubt that for a second. That scientology would do that, yeah, um. Oh, that's denver steve. Oh, we got that one already. Um, uh, simply sarah mark. I watched the aftermath series this week. How do you look so much younger now? You know, living right, exposing Scientology burns calories. This is a fact. Um, no, um, thank you, I appreciate it. I think I look like a tub of lard all the time, but I'll take a compliment if I can get one. Um, do I look younger than I did on this show? Oh, you know, it's because I had that big papa smurf beard. Did I have a beard on the show?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to remember. I think you did. Yeah, and I think you change your hairstyle, that probably has a lot to do with it too.
Speaker 1:For the past say five or 10 years I've had this big bushy beard and it's just gotten grayer and grayer and now if I grow it out it's just basically white. And I think somebody I want to say I went to McDonald's or I went somewhere and they asked me if I was, if I qualify for the senior discount, and I was like, oh, I got to shave this beard man.
Speaker 1:I'm old, but I'm not that old Tiff grooves. After leaving Scientology, did you have to get to re know each other, considering how little time you spent together in the fso despite being married, sort of. I mean, we tell a funny story on the aftermath show where when we escaped, we in 2005, we had been married for 13 years.
Speaker 1:At that point we'd been married for 13 years and when we um, we were, we were I think we were living at my dad's house yeah, we were for the first three weeks we were at your dad's house for for the first three, three weeks that we escaped, we were staying in a guest room at my father's house in lee summit, kansas. Lee summit, missouri missouri yeah and um, which is a like a suburb of Kansas City, and Claire said hey, do you like spaghetti bolognese?
Speaker 2:No, no. I said something like oh, I'm going to make dinner tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you were like what, what are you going to make? I was like spaghetti bolognese and you were like you know how to cook.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 13 years we've been married and I said you know how to cook. Yeah, 13 years we've been married and I said you know how to cook. In 13 years we had never cooked a meal together like a, like a, you know, like dinner Like I made. I was famous in the SeaWorld for being a gourmet ramen chef.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, you made the best ramen yeah.
Speaker 1:I would Dude, I can make some, I'll make. I'll knock your socks off with my ramen, but that's really the only thing we ever cooked was ramen. And, funny fact, when I was a kid we were so poor we didn't even boil the ramen, we just took the ramen noodle thing out of the package and just sprinkled the packet, the seasoning packet and just ate it like a sandwich. Sprinkled the packet, the seasoning packet and just ate it like a sandwich. So the fact that I cooked ramen in my family, that was like some out-of-this-world shit. Okay, but anyway, yeah, we didn't. Even she had never cooked for me in 13 years. So yeah, we did. And also, guys, I'll tell you that's the hack If you want to be married to some gal for 30 years, just don't see her for the first.
Speaker 1:Come on now and just have casual, just have casual, non-frequent contact with her over a 13 year period for maybe, you know, an hour or two a week. And, yeah, you can milk it, It'll go, it'll, it'll last.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, my my answer to that question too. The other funny story was we went to your family reunion in Colorado eight months after we got out and it was the first time. So again, we'd been married 13 years and it was the first time, other than your dad, that I'd met any of your family. And they were. They were so nice. They were just like oh my gosh, it's really nice to meet you. Thank you for coming. Please just don't wait 13 years before you come see us again.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh my God, somebody in the comments. Where is it? I just saw it, it flew by. This is the best idea ever. I want to see a Sea Org cookbook, page one rice and beans with chicken. Hey, by the way, the lucky CG. I don't know where you think we're getting chicken from. It was rice and beans, the end no chicken. If we were at Golden Era, we did do okay on food and we did eat a lot of chicken, but if you're on rice and beans in the Sea Org, there's no chicken. You just get the rice and beans. Anyway, okay, john Nelson, hey guys, happy Sunday, hope all is well. Hashtag SPTV.
Speaker 2:Thanks for joining us, jen yes, thank you. Jen hashtag, hashtag, uh sp tv there it is got my cracker jen oh, we're switching over.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna put that cracker liquor logo up for a little while here. That's right. Um, the loopy alchemist, does osa have to word clear every super chat? That's really funny, you joke. I don't think they do, but they, that would be like a punishment. David miscavige would be like you have to word clear the comment section of one of mark's videos if you guys don't get him to stop doing them. Um, you did.
Speaker 1:If you did get an order from davidcavige, you did have to word clear it, which means you would have to sit across another person that has the exact same transcript of whatever David Miscavige told you to do. If David Miscavige had a meeting with you, there would be a transcript that would be delivered to your office within an hour or two after the meeting, to your office within an hour or two after the meeting. Usually, if it was a short meeting, you'd get it in five minutes, but if it was a an hour meeting, an hour later you would get a transcript. Usually it was. Usually the running time of the meeting was how long it would take to get you a transcript and you would get a transcript. And if it was, if he was telling you to do stuff, then you would have to sit across another person who had the same copy of the order and you would have to read it aloud to the person.
Speaker 1:And if you stumble or mess up or do anything, that means you have a misunderstood word. You have you, you don't. You can't say, oh no, I understand all those words. No, you have to look up one of those words. So usually you just pick the easiest one.
Speaker 2:You think it'll be that you'll have to do, preferably not a small common word that has like 80 definitions.
Speaker 1:You want to pick a word that you know has the fewest amount of definitions, because you have to word clear each definition of the word, use it in sentences, prove that you understand it, and then you go back and continue reading the order from David Miscavige, where you left off, basically from the beginning of the sentence that contains the word that you did not understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so in other words, you get really really good at reading things out loud.
Speaker 1:You know what? I was trying to figure out, a way to talk about this, and this is it. This is why Scientology has no management, because David Miscavige will spend four hours meeting with you. From that four hour meeting, a four hour transcript will be created, which then you have to read to another person and every time you stumble you have to stop and spend 10 or 15 minutes looking up a word. It could take you two days to word clear the orders that you got from David Miscavige and then, once the word clearing is done, then you're allowed to go and do the work of what he said in the order. The work took two hours to do, but you can't do it until you do all that other stuff beforehand, and usually nine times out of 10, someone's going to come down and say he asked you to do two hours worth of work. It's two days later, why haven't you done it? And you're like I've been trying to word clear the orders that I got.
Speaker 2:And don't forget, in order to do the word clearing, you have to have had enough sleep, so oftentimes you'd then be required to go to sleep, which you, because most times at the meeting you're, you're running on like two hours sleep, yeah.
Speaker 1:Two to four hours sleep, yeah, so well, and the other thing I was going to say is that you, sometimes you would just do the work, just be like I don't give a shit, I'm just going to do the work, you do the work. And then once you do something that David Miscavige said that you were supposed to do, you have to send him what's called a compliance report. So you have to say you said water the plants. And that is a real order. That's not a I'm not making that up or using that as an example that's a real order. David Miscavige said.
Speaker 1:David Muscavige, or COB, said why aren't you watering these plants? These plants need to be watered. Okay, what that? What was ordered? David Muscavige said what? What are the plants? Um, I, and then what was done? Um, I went and got some water. I put it in a pot. I brought the pot to the plants. I put the water in the plants. The plants seem to be doing better and they like the water. Okay, good. And then compliance report please approve. And also you have to show evidence.
Speaker 1:So there's a section that says evidence and where it says evidence, you have to go get a Polaroid because who's developing film. That's ridiculous. No, you have to take a Polaroid. Scientology, love them, some old tech, I bet you. You go to a Scientology work right now. There's at least two or three Polaroids up in that bitch. Any which one you go to, they got Polaroids because they need to be able to take pictures for evidence and send compliance reports. You take a picture of your plant and you tape scotch tape a Polaroid to this thing and you have to send that to David Miscavige. That gets done for every single thing he says to do and he's meeting with people all day, every day, from all parts of Scientology telling them to do stuff and they're chopping down trees to send him compliance reports and taking Polaroids and stuff to send it to him that they did it.
Speaker 1:This is a Tuesday in Scientology. This is how they manage Scientology. This is how David Miscavige runs that thing and you wonder why it's up on the rocks. He's running it up on the rocks. Oh my goodness. Hello guys, my questions so don't translate well. So just saying Humboldt SD is listening, okay, okay, my questions don't translate so well. I think we're missing. I think there's things happening in the chat that I'm not seeing.
Speaker 2:Hey, ruth, nice to see you here. Yes, anon.
Speaker 1:A. Oh, anon A, please talk about how to get a family member grown son and wife out of the Sea Org. Any advice, ikes? Yeah, I think your best bet, anon A, is to let them know. Not, you got to, you got to. Very, be very careful how you word these things and don't write it tomorrow, because they're going to know you watch this video and then it came tomorrow. But you need to be like. Anytime that you guys take a vacation, you're always welcome here. We have a guest bedroom where you can stay as long as you like.
Speaker 2:Try to get them to come visit you if at all possible.
Speaker 1:We're having a family reunion. Even if you're not having a family reunion, make up a family reunion and tell all the family about it, because they're going to like suss it out, but have a family reunion. It's very hard for Sea Org members not to go to a family reunion because when you don't show up to family reunions once or twice or three times or forever, families tend to start getting a little pissy about that because they want to see you and your new wife and any of those kids that you don't have. They want to ask you why we don't got no kids and they need to. When you say no, that starts to create problems, because Scientology is trying to pretend that they don't. There's no such thing as disconnection and they don't break up families. So they're letting SeaWorld members go to family unions a lot these days and that's when we get them, that's when we get our hooks in them and usually they do send a minder with them. But if you can get them alone and show how good life is, the big thing is letting them know that there's a place for them to be, that you don't care how long they're there, because if you can put up with them for a week or two for a family reunion. There might be a point, uh, uh, an idea that you could put up with them for longer and then they'd leave and go live with you or go reconnect with you or anything. But, um, that's what I would just let let them know there's a place for them and that you're always welcome and if they need anything, they can contact you and give them an email and a phone number. Now they check the mail of Sea Org members and I think, staff members maybe as well, depending on what organization you're working at and they'll look at it. If you're just saying everything's wonderful, we love you, it's been a while you've missed the last few family reunions. We'd love to meet you and your new wife, blah blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, and here's our number, here's our email. That's very non uh, aggressive to scientology. They think, oh, they just want them to go to family. I get it, it but, but, yeah, family reunions is a good way, or even maybe a dinner or lunch on a weekend or a weekend if you talking about. But when that those wheels start turning and they remember that ain't on a is the one who's going to hook us up If we need to get out, then there's a better chance they'll get out. That is the biggest hurdle of leaving the Sea Org is the what if and not wanting to have to come back. You, you, there's no good walk of shame on that one. You try to escape it, you fail and you come walking back there. Oh my gosh, if your life was hell before, it's going to be triple hell now, because now they know that your blood's a little thin on the Kool-Aid, we need to thicken it back up again. And that's when the indoctrination. Really they go hard trying to get you to drink the Kool-Aid a little bit more. I hope we answered your question A9A. Good luck, eli Miller. Another little bit for the Clare Bear equipment upgrade Looks and sounds great, oh yeah, thank you. Thank you, eli. Yeah, it's going to take a lot more Super Chats to pay for all the gear that Claire's got up in that, up in that officers.
Speaker 1:Now apostate. Alex started Scientology Saturday. Okay, good, awesome. Yeah, I'm happy. You know, sometimes people are doing this stuff and they don't all subscribe to the same, you know, line of thought or whatever it, the more the merrier it's. Okay, I get, we don't all agree and I'm busy and I don't like to email and talk to people. People get all up. Um, I want to answer my dude. I guess I got stuff to do, so, uh, apostate alex is doing his thing. More power to him. Thank you, apostate alex. And uh, he's doing a lot of videos. He's finding it. He's people are finding him over there. Um, jackalope, I have an old ad for flag auditing that shows a person using the e-meter on a doll. Is that a thing?
Speaker 2:yes yes, jackalope, auditing dolls is a thing in scientology except it's fair to say that miss scavenge got rid of that no well, the simulator kind of replaces that, I guess. So it used to be that um you, you'd have the doll and you, the doll would be holding the cans and you, you would be auditing the doll. And the reason for that is because hubbard said that if you practiced on a person, that you would get their case all going.
Speaker 1:Basically, it would be like a hypnotist practicing on a regular person and telling them to go run out on the freeway. And then they go run on the freeway and you'd be like, oh dude, as a hypnotist you're totally not supposed to say that Maybe I should have been practicing on a doll. But we actually shot a movie at the base, a technical training film, as they call it in Scientology, called TR six use of a doll and auditing a use of a doll of a doll and auditing and TRS and TR routines.
Speaker 1:And the star of that movie was Danny Masterson. He played the main doll, Captain Jack.
Speaker 2:So he was an alcoholic right.
Speaker 1:Was an alcoholic An alcoholic doll. Yeah, but you know what's even spookier? He was getting other girls drunk, other dolls drunk and having his way with them.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:In the movie oh my God yeah. I just realized that just this exact second. There's another doll. He's like a space doll. He has like a shiny shimmery, like a silver lame costume.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And his name is Captain Jack, and I think the doll's name is Goldie.
Speaker 2:I think you're right yeah.
Speaker 1:He has a female doll that's with him. Oh my God, you know what I? I'm just like blowing my mind out right now, because you know what? No, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna blow your mind right now.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:That girl, the girl that played the doll.
Speaker 2:Yeah, gold.
Speaker 1:Danny. There was a. There was some kind of dust up with her and Danny.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:At that time when we shot that movie, wow, and he was like a teenager, like if he wasn't a teenager, he was.
Speaker 2:No, he was in his early 20s. He was a teenager when I was training at Celebrity Center.
Speaker 1:Well, I know that's when we were shooting the damn movie with him.
Speaker 2:No, but I'm talking like 90, 91.
Speaker 1:yeah, he wasn't. This was in like 95. Hmm, he was young. He was either late teens or early 20s, but regardless, um, he played a doll who got boozed up, got other dolls boozed up, had his way with them, and I was the person who came in in the movie. I play a part in the movie and I came in and found out it was this other rat face guy, that was the supervisor, that was the SP and I got a checker right I was the sec checker and I got him and I got Danny off the hook.
Speaker 1:I let, I got him so he didn't get busted and get declared an SP doll. Anyway, I did never. I did never think we were going to talk about this in this stream tonight. Guys, this is some very deep stuff we're getting to.
Speaker 2:It's not even tonight, it's this afternoon.
Speaker 1:That's what it's like on SPTV.
Speaker 2:We lose track of time.
Speaker 1:We don't know where this thing is going.
Speaker 2:We're going all over the place.
Speaker 1:Eat more pizza now. I'm sure that this has been answered, but I just noticed a mission in my city. What is a mission in COS? Also, pineapple on pizza. Your thoughts Amazing, love it, ham and pineapple till the end. Thank you very much. Also, I have a thing where I get really bad headaches if I don't eat some pineapple every once in a while. So there it's like it's a two birds one stone kind of thing for me.
Speaker 2:um, but the mission is like a, it's a franchise. It's kind of the beginning, the, the introduction center to scientology, and it can be. They can be, um, like my dad worked at a. My stepdad worked at the Beverly Hills Mission, for example, for many years.
Speaker 1:Well, he was the executive director, yep, he didn't just work there, he was the dude, he was basically the whole mission. Really, at the end of the day, yeah.
Speaker 1:He did counseling and he charged money for it and there was little else that happened there besides that. That's how big a mission could be. It could be two people. A mission could be two people one guy that audits and one guy that watches people when they sit in the sauna doing a purification rundown. That could be a mission all day long. Yep, okay, good question.
Speaker 1:Gary Jackson Moorhead says I plan on going into the deets about the history of the mail inspection line on my channel. Yes, gary Jackson Moorhead, we just always knew him as Jackson. I didn't even know his name was Gary until like 10 years after I knew the dude. I don't know if it was 10 years, but it was many years before I heard somebody call him Gary and I was like who the hell is Gary Jackson? Who are they talking to? Anyway, a lot of people had aliases at the base. Mine was max for a while anyway, or mode. Anyway, gary has a YouTube channel and we will put a link to it below. Does he ever actually have a channel now? The last two times we linked to it, we linked to some other guy named, uh, gary moorhead who didn't have a channel oh, I'll get the link from gold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, gary keeps talking about a channel. Just do some videos, jackson, they'll get better. Um, anyway, gary's gonna do a video about security guards open in mail, because gary was the security chief at the base for many years, and even when he wasn't the security chief he was in security, so he's probably done a fair bit of mail opening himself. They used to do all kinds of nonsense. They used to go through the bank statements they would. I mean, I don't want to spoil your video, gary, but if you were a female and you were wearing underwear over the internet, the security guards had their way with it before it got to you.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker 1:Okay, gary, you can confirm or deny in the comments, but I'm pretty sure that's a thing.
Speaker 2:I remember hearing that.
Speaker 1:Right, am I making stuff up? I don't think I am. I think the security guards are getting frisky with some of the packages. Um, okay, little little lilith, little lilith, I can never tell i's and l's and j's up in this. Um, thank you. It's just a two, three, four, five super chat. I like that. That's pretty cool. Something going on there, I guess, and just fun.
Speaker 1:Kitty man, kitty mom, it seems church of scientology treatment of seer members just made you guys stronger and better able to deal with their nonsense. They're the ones creating effective SPs. Kitty Mom, we have 100% stated this exact fact. We are some hardcore mofos. I mean, I would not like if you got into an argument with Claire and like there was and screaming had to happen, you're going to lose.
Speaker 1:And if, if we want to play dirty and like evilness, like let's be super, super evil and just be like like TV, like bad bitch evil, like just like Ooh, I hate that chick Like trending on Twitter, you're so evil. Um, claire, I could whip that up in a few few minutes. Just get clicking back into Sea Orgville. It is very dog eat dog there. Everybody is either stepping on you or ratting you out to get a step up or um, or you're in a big heap of trouble, just all on your own, without anybody ratting you out. It's not a um, what is it? It's like survivor, but like that's your life, like someone's. Someone is always trying to kick you off the Island.
Speaker 1:Survival of the evilest evilest yeah, and the island is where you live yeah, and it's also where your spouse lives, yeah it's your whole life, is the island, so if you got kicked off, you're never seeing your spouse ever again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what it's like, sailed yeah this is the best part, it's survivor until you realize. No, it's an escape contest, like once you realize you're trying to stay there as hard as you can until you're like, oh no, I got to get out of here. And getting out is even harder than trying to not get kicked off. Oh my goodness, it's what a mindfuck. Okay, mark, your book made my golden era nightmares make sense. I was invited up there from la as a consultant. It was quite disturbing.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, dude, we have had so many people that worked for golden era productions. Get a hold of me. Um, yeah, we've got some spy files coming up to talk about that. Yeah, because we were dealing with some people that were dealing with golden era productions and, uh, they done found out about it. Uh, james Petter super sticker. Thank you, james, appreciate it. Um, I hope you guys like this new format. I'm trying to just be a little bit more chill and not be rushed. Um, I can't stand trying to squeeze all this stuff into 30 minutes and I end up talking over people and I trying to squeeze a word stuff into 30 minutes and I end up talking over people and I'm trying to squeeze a word in edgewise, and this way we're just kind of doing our thing and there's no real rush or hurry and we can get through these things and we can answer the questions more thoroughly and get into stupid stories about Scientology that you guys are never going to hear any other time.
Speaker 2:Not stupid, just anecdotes. Let's put it that way Wigglywoo says that you guys are never going to hear any other time.
Speaker 1:Not stupid, you know just anecdotes. Yeah, let's put it that way. Wiggly Woo says OGH out of sight, out of mind, and a way to pretend that people don't never get sick or don't want to be there. That's exactly. You know what? That's exactly what it was. This person's inside baseball. They know what OGH is. So OGH was the old gilman house we talked about it earlier where that's where they'd send sick people, people that wanted to leave, and, oddly enough, that's also where, for a very many years, that's where they did counseling, because this is the only place that there just wasn't, there was space for them to do that sort of things and it was also quiet and remember it was on the other side of the swamp, which is where they had Mark Yeager hold up.
Speaker 2:He was for like a year, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jackson, I'm sure will do a video about that, Maybe a year or two. He was called Swamp man.
Speaker 2:Swamp man and he was like the darkest shade of tan that I ever saw him during that time, I mean oh my gosh, talk about weird.
Speaker 1:You know, he switched ethnicities. He got that dark. Okay, he was dark.
Speaker 2:That's what happened to you when you did the running program.
Speaker 1:That's right. When I had to do the running program, you have to run around this pole and I did it in the summer and I was telling you I was fit and I was tan.
Speaker 2:I'll never forget. You told me that your butt was more tan than me.
Speaker 1:Well, you told me that your butt was more tan than me. Well, my butt was double tan tanner than Claire. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, yeah, ogh, out of sight, yeah, so it was way off, on the very, very, very far edge, the, the Northern, I guess that would be Northeast, the Northwest, it was on the Northwest side of the property and it was. It would take you 15 minutes just to walk out there. It was, you know, from pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But a half hour if you were over at the castle or something like that, where I worked, and they've since bulldozed it. It's just dirt now They've gotten rid of they have gotten rid of so many storied locations on that property. I've gotten rid of so many storied locations on that property. Oh, marilyn, marilyn is our in-house crochet, is it crochet?
Speaker 2:Yeah, crochet.
Speaker 1:Crochet expert where you do the knitting. It takes eight hours, guys. It takes eight hours to make one of these little suckers. And Marilyn, she does it. And you know I was thinking, god, what a giant amount of time to spend on one of these. And she says, well, I make them. While I'm watching you guys' videos I'm like, oh, my God, we got to do more videos so she can make more of these things. Can we put a link to her little page in the description? Marilyn, actually, she'll crochet all kinds of things. She'll make you a little Mike Bobblehead, mike Rinder Bobblehead, zinu outfit. She'll make you a Duke of Chug. She'll make you I think she's got little Donald Trump, little crochet guys. She'll make you a ball. She has all kinds of stuff. She has a whole store. That's what she does. Yeah, okay, so she also has a message. She has all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2:She has a whole store.
Speaker 1:That's what she does, yeah, okay, so she also has a message. Hi, claire and Mark. Can you briefly explain again who is the Duke of Chunk? Some viewers have asked me about the Bob outfit, but I've never heard of Chunk. I've read articles but can't do him justice. Okay, do you know about the Duke of Chunk?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was linked to the in the income advices, right.
Speaker 1:Well, I know, but have you read the advices? I don't think. I don't know. I'd have to look again.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I did at some point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, essentially. Oh, my goodness, these are deep rabbit holes, folks, but we'll go down this one for a second.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's a Sunday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a Sunday man, we're chill, okay, so let's do have a cutoff. No more super chats after this moment, guys, because I don't think that I'll be able to get to them. You could do super stickers all you want, but we have. It's been an hour, it's been a buck 30 and we've got another 40 questions, and the way I answer questions we're going to be here for two weeks, so let's just try to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Our kids are patient, but they're not that patient. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I got stuff I got. I got. I got shoes and stuff I got to get for boys. Anyway, the Hubbard wrote this advice to this group of people inside Scientology who manage all the computer systems, and it's called InCom, the International Network of Computer Organized.
Speaker 2:Management.
Speaker 1:But I thought there was two C's. Is there two C's?
Speaker 2:No, there's two. No, oh yeah, it's I-N-C-O-M-M.
Speaker 1:International Network of Network. International Network of.
Speaker 2:Computer Organized Management.
Speaker 1:Computer Organized Management.
Speaker 2:Which again, no, uh stand doesn't make any sense. I mean m m, two m's yeah, anyway, the this group.
Speaker 1:He wrote a bunch of things to this guy named foster, foster tompkins, and foster tompkins at the time was, I guess, the only person in Scientology who knew what a computer was. So he was it, he was the computer guy anyway, and he and Hubbard would write back and forth about computerizing all of Scientology. And in that Hubbard talked about, there used to be this Duke of I guess it was the planet chug something or the galaxy Chug.
Speaker 2:I'm going to find it. Just from Maryland, I'm going to find it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the Duke of Chug set his whole planet up using computers and everything was automated, like, basically, it was AI Hubbard was talking about AI and this Duke of Chuck. He just computerized everything and he was a genius and his planet was the most profitable and the most successful because he had done it all with computers anyway. And they have this. So this spawned a computer system in Scientology, and this computer system, this thing is like the Terminator.
Speaker 2:But it really is.
Speaker 1:But it is literally like the Terminator and it has a system of escalations. So if every order that's given in Scientology is logged into the computer system, that's given in Scientology is logged into the computer system and then the computer system tracks the orders and it gets the person to do it. The computer does, and the way it does this is by writing knowledge reports on the computer.
Speaker 2:Even if you don't respond to an email you get a report written on you, because Hubbard has this whole thing about how you can track down evil people, suppressive persons, by the size of their ethics file and the amount of knowledge reports they have written on them. So if you get the computer to do all the work, then you're instantly going to have an easy way to find who your troublemakers are. Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the computer would start writing reports on you. And there's a sit, there's a it's in this, it's called the Scientology ethics book and it has this thing where the first time you don't comply to an order, you get a report written on you, and then the second time you get this kind of report written on you and the report sort of escalate and then it gets to a knowledge report and once a knowledge report is written, that's like the big daddy of reports. The knowledge report, that's the humdinger that one's going to get you. That you might if you were up to something. And somebody writes a knowledge report. Now things are going to get real. All the other reports up to that there's like a dev T which is kind of like an uh, you're causing me hassle. There's an annoyance report, there's a no report report, there's a false report report. I'm telling you, Scientology, they got their reports down. Okay, oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:There's probably what like easily 60 different kinds.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and then on top of that, don't forget.
Speaker 2:There's also ethics gradients, so the more, the longer you don't get the order complied to, the harsher the punishments get, like including public humiliation, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:No, but this is the best part. Yeah, the final step is expulsion from Scientology. And this is for you think you guys think we're joking. That is the ultimate step, that is, at the very end. It looks like you, we can't. We can't get you to answer your communications. You must be expelled from Scientology. And the computer does this for every single order. So somebody like Mike Rinder he could have a thousand orders issued to him from David Miscavige, right, and the computer is constantly harassing him. And the other thing is, when the computer writes you, you have to answer with the compliance or you have to answer with yes, I'm going to get this done and I'm going to figure it out. And if you don't answer, then it starts a whole nother escalation cycle on you not answering it. Yeah, about this other order. So anyway, the duke of chug is the is the guy who thought of all this, according to hubbard on the whole track many, many millions of years ago millions and millions, 75 trillion.
Speaker 2:That's why he's buddies with Xenu and that's why you know it makes perfect sense that Xenu, the Xenu outfit, should have a corresponding Duke of Chug outfit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think Chug was a bad guy. I think Chug was a hero in Hubbard's eyes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And Xenu so maybe Xenu and Duke of Chug are arch enemies then?
Speaker 1:Possibly, or who knows, duke of Chug could have worked for Xenu at the end of the day, because Xenu was an intergalactic overlord. This guy was just a Duke, so he was just like. Xenu could have sent a hit squad out and taken this Duke out tomorrow, like that's not a big deal. So Zinu is Scientology's main baddie. He's I mean, he's a he's a badass.
Speaker 2:That's why he's my homeboy. He's like number one on the list of suppressive persons.
Speaker 1:That have ever existed. Oh, my goodness, yes. Does Monique Yingling still receive the Blessed Sacrament at Mass? If so, someone should put in a KR to her bishop. Yeah, the Monique Yingling thing is that's just a financial arrangement, guys. Monique is being paid millions and millions of dollars to be David Miscavige's lapdog, and if he wants her to go on TV, she'll go on TV.
Speaker 2:I just gosh. If I were a reporter, I would love to just look Monique in the eye and go blink twice. If you've been paid to lie, yes, remember how much she blinks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we used to call her Blinky McBlinkface because she just when she's answering she's. Was it anderson cooper cnn? Yeah, we should put a link to that I think we just had a link to that because it's in the upcoming interview that I did with jeff hawkins anyway yeah, there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a anderson, cooper show what that was called history of uh, a culture of violence or something violence history of violence, a history of violence, scientology, violence yes, scientology a history of violence and she went on as their spokesperson for that and she just was like blinking folks yeah as mentioned on Aaron's live chat. Send your mock SPTV hate vids to me, denver Stevo, me at denverstevocom. We'll post them all on my new vid hosting place, denver Stevo, this week launching in May. Oh my goodness, denver Stevo is getting in on the game.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know what the Scientology mock hate videos are, but okay, fine, ever see Ain't On Spirit? Yeah, I did, I saw that. Know what the Scientology mock hate videos are? But okay, fine, ever see a non-spirit? Yeah, I did, I saw that and I already answered that. No one's checking it for me.
Speaker 2:Was I supposed to be doing that?
Speaker 1:No, well, after I read it, you can unstar it, otherwise it just sits there. Rebecca Blasnig, hello from Switzerland. Have you seen the new Kevin Hart John Travolta movie where a TV duo called Leah and Mickey talk about Tom Cruise's height? What Is this a real thing? I've never.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:That's kind of crazy. Some writers really had their way with John. They work that you know. They've done that other times. Jenna Elfman was on something, Was it Jenna Elfman? I don't know? They've done it a few times where there's like a Scientologist on the show and then they talk they do, they take some swipes at Scientology. I mean, obviously South Park did it when Isaac Hayes was on the show I'm pretty sure it was on like maybe Shameless or some show that Jenna was on. They said something about Scientology, it took a swipe at it. But yeah, I can see that that's kind of funny. Thank you for that, Rebecca Slappy White. Thank you, Slappy white.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Um, mark, can you please tell the story of when DM hit you and you almost hit him back? Sure, it's in my book blown for good behind the iron curtain of Scientology. You can buy it wherever paperbacks are Now. You can get it on Kindle. You can get on Amazon. If you buy it from a blown for goodcom, claire and I will sign it.
Speaker 2:We don't sell it on Amazon anymore. The physical copy.
Speaker 1:Kindle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kindle and Audible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's Amazon.
Speaker 2:And on your website we sell physical signed copies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. You're smelling what I'm cooking. It's all good, anyway. So at the base I worked in a manufacturing area where we made CDs and tapes and VHS tapes and all sorts of nonsense and David Miscavige had come through. I was the producer, I was a very high executive that was over the manufacturing area and they were not manufacturing enough CDs to sit on shelves that we weren't selling to Scientologists and I was gotten a lot of trouble that they couldn't get up to production and it was a big flap and I got taken off my post as the producer and I got assigned to be like the night shift UV coder.
Speaker 1:Ok, that's right so I was like, I was, like you know, I would hang out with the the commanding officer. I was the producer golden era productions. There was only one person higher than me at golden era productions and that was the head of golden era productions and she used to be the producer. And the guy that replaced her escaped. She became the commanding officer and, by default, I was the assistant producer and, by default, I became the producer. And this is a humdinger, guys, and if you watch the spy file that comes out this next Thursday, this is going to make a bunch more sense. But the guy that was the producer was a guy named Eric Geisler.
Speaker 2:AKA Eric Spiesler.
Speaker 1:AKA the guy who now has been spying on us for Scientology for the last 10 years.
Speaker 2:Going on 20 years Anyway.
Speaker 1:I was the producer. I got busted and then I got made the UV coating. I see, or something like that Was it then. I can't remember. I got busted and then I got made the UV coating. I see here something like that Was it then. I can't remember the timeline right now, but either way I was the lowest you could be in manufacturing. You couldn't get lower than the UV coating guy.
Speaker 2:On top of which you were on the night shift.
Speaker 1:So I was on the night shift.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what that happened after that happened after I got in the fight with him.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay that was.
Speaker 2:That was part of the punishment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why you were put on the night you would never, ever again, run into him, even.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I was a producer. I got busted because they couldn't meet their targets in this manufacturing area and so as a first punishment I was assigned to the director of AV manufacturing. So that was now my job. So I used to be the producer over audio, cine compilations, translations, manufacturing, and now I was working in manufacturing division as a department head. That's a pretty large demotion, but I was put in charge of the area that I couldn't get to do what they were supposed to do when I was the producer, sort of like you're no good at finance, so we're gonna put you as the VP of finance. Anyway, and I had worked in manufacturing for many, many years before I went. Before I worked in the cinematography division, so I was really good at manufacturing anyway, and that's sort of why this whole thing happened anyway.
Speaker 1:So we're walking around manufacturing and when I was trying to fix the man, build up the production lines and manufacturing, I was told to put together a budget of how much it would cost to make all the machines we needed to make X amount of products by X date. So let's say it was 100,000 products two years from now. And mathematically, we brought in all these experts and I even worked with a gentleman by the name of Russ Bellin from CST, the Church of Spiritual Technology, and they're the ones that make all the titanium capsules and they do a lot of high-end manufacturing and they spend millions and millions of dollars doing some really high-end stuff. So I used him and this other guy named Tom DeVocht who was also one of the guys him, russ Bellin and Tom DeVocht were brought to the base by David Miscavige to solve a lot of these problems that were happening that we just didn't have the knowledge or the depth to deal with them because we never spent money and these guys spent millions and millions of dollars on stuff, so they knew how to spend money anyway. So I was asked by David Miscavige to come up with a plan on what I needed to buy equipment wise to make a hundred thousand widgets by two years from now. And mathematically we figured out this is how much this printer makes and this is how much the CD stamper can stamp. And we just crunched the numbers and we said, okay, if we're going to produce this much product in two years, this many and it was millions of things but if we're going to produce these millions of things by this date, two years from now, we need $4 million worth of equipment.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we go to a meeting. It's me and all these big executives, and I'm like a depart, I'm a now I'm a department head. No, no, at this time I was still the producer. So I, I as the producer, um, I was asked for this proposal because it was an area under me and it was a very big project. Okay, so I say, at this meeting, we go into the meeting with David Miscavige and Tom DeVocht and Russ Bellin are there, dave Greg Wilhair's there, mike Rinder's probably there, all these guys are in this big meeting and gets around to me and he says, hey, what's the deal with the manufacturing?
Speaker 1:How are we going to do this? I'm like I've got the proposal, sir, we figured out all the equipment, uh. And then he's like okay, here we go, how much? And I'm like it's four million. And he's like four million. He's like, can you believe this guy?
Speaker 1:Every time I ask these golden era guys, what's it gonna take? And they just, they, just area guys, what's it gonna take. And they just, they, just, they want the world, they want millions of dollars. This motherfucker wants four million dollars for printers and cd stampers and blah anyway. And um, he actually sends me out of the meeting greg wilher is from rtc and he's a interrogator on the e-meter and he sends me out of the meeting to get interrogated by Greg Willier in the middle of the meeting. And then, anyway, but the best part is he looks at Tom DeVocht and Russ Bellen in the meeting, goes can you believe this fucking guy? And they're like I know, sir, unfuckably. They were the ones that told me the fucking 4 million, they were the ones that gave me the list. It was, they did the work and I was the guy who had to report up on it.
Speaker 2:You were the sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 1:It threw me right under the bus, anyway. So then I got busted. That was it. I was off post after that. Then I became, I was assigned to be the director of that area and while I was the director of that area he had spent ten. Dave said forget you, you're off post, I'll figure it out. He figured it out. He spent ten million. He bought ten million dollars worth of equipment for this manufacturing area, but now I was running it and we were. We had been doing it and all this equipment's showing up and we're installing it and I'm getting it and we're making stuff. We're awesome, we're rocking and rolling. I'm like, well, yeah, you just gave me two and a half times what I said we needed. So, yeah, this is going to be amazing, anyway.
Speaker 1:So he supposedly he's off at some other meeting he comes down to my manufacturing area and he's like now, this is how it's done, right. And he's walking around and at one point like he's like, yeah, perfect, yeah, this is going to work. I knew this is the way we would do it. And this is the thing, guys. His plan was the high budget version of my plan. So like if we could get a UV coder that costs 25,000, he picked out the one that costs 180,000. And if we could get a stamper that was 250 K, he picked out two stampers and a DVD stamper that costs 4 million, and so on and so on. So we're walking through all these things after they're set up and and he's like, yeah, this is the way you do it, right, this is I don't know how you guys can figure this out and I, under my breath, is like, yeah, it's been fucking 10 million, you're going to get the fucking good shit.
Speaker 1:And he was like, what was that? And I was like, yeah, yeah. And he was like, and he could tell, um, that I was being a little fucking snippy and he fucking started beating on me and he punched me in the face and I had glasses at the time and he punched me and my fuck glasses were broken and I fell up against a cabinet and, uh, and, and I sort of like regained my composure after he stopped the beating and then, um, I didn't know, I saw my glasses were broken on the ground and then I was like fuck it, let's do it. And I'd like straight my shit up. And then he and I was like let's go bitch, because he's a small guy, I could totally take him back then. And anyway, these two dudes picked me up and they just carried me out of the building and when I was going out he said did you see that that fucking guy was going to hit me? And I was like, damn straight, skippy, I sure was. And so, yeah, that's the story, that DM hit you and I almost hit him back.
Speaker 1:Thank you, deanne. What do we got here? Yeah, we're getting it. We'll do it. We're going to rip through these, gina for reshipping my return book. Thank you, okay.
Speaker 2:Gina. You're welcome, gina. Thank you, that's to me. I know what that's about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes we get that Post office kind of lazes it out, they don't deliver it Are they?
Speaker 2:or they say well no, paypal has this thing where if you haven't updated your address, it kind of automatically ships to whatever address has been in there. So we've had that a few times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I always just ship it to the oh when they order through paypal and they don't change their shipping address yeah, if they haven't ordered through paypal in a while, yeah anyway okay, uh, nate Nate gaming or NA gaming question. Hey Mark, is there any DM releases that you can't find and you are looking for? We love both you and Claire's work in crowdsourcing. It would be fun. Oh yeah, as Claire, what?
Speaker 2:It's a nice thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as Claire will conform to you, I have no problem finding things about Depeche Mode and they arrive here on a regular basis, no matter what the cost or content. Yes, no, I do order way too many things and that's why I need an entire cabinet for each album to store all of the items that I collect. And it's full. So, yeah, I appreciate it If I. Hey, I'll tell you. If you guys, I'll just say it. Cause this.
Speaker 1:There was a woman that was listening, stephanie, from Germany. Um, if you have any Depeche Moms that you don't want, you can send them to me. I will store them for the rest of time for you. Um, but I had said something. Said something I'll pay for shipping. Yeah, absolutely. This woman from Germany said hey, I've got a whole bunch of really old Depeche Mode records in Germany, if you want them. I was like yes, please, thank you Absolutely, shay Anderson. Thanks for using your free time this way. Let's all clear the world of nonsense together. Yeah, you know, if Scientology is going to go hard, we might as well make it worthwhile. You know, it's no sense them having hate site Twitter trolls sending letters to my clients. No sense in them doing all that and me not making the best of it while they're doing that. Yep, why the sudden increase? Yeah, we, I think we covered that one Code, monkey.
Speaker 1:I asked chat GTP to generate new OT levels because chat GPT is more creative, with more originality than LRH. Ot 11 has time travel. There you go Code monkey yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could totally see that actually being a thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what it really is. I'm pretty sure that's what Dave's going to do. He's just going to be asking that. Dave Miscavige is going to be asking ChatGPT for OT9 and 10, ot9 and 10, ot9. And some conglomeration of all of those will be what he ends up telling everybody. Lrh left behind John McLeese. Thank you, john L Harris. Thank you, l Harris. Oh, another one from John McLeese. Thank you, john McLeese. William Tubb, claire and Mark. Is there anything about Scientology? You miss no, sirree Bob I Scientology. You miss no, sir Rebob.
Speaker 2:I would answer my family.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's not a well, yeah we just miss our family.
Speaker 1:We'd rather talk to them, but I think that, yeah, that's about it. I don't really, gosh, I really do not miss anything about that place. Gosh, I really do not miss anything about that place. The other problem for me is, um, like California is where I spent most of my time that, um, I was involved with Scientology. So I don't even like California anymore. Like, I'll go visit, but I don't like it. It's just, I have just bad memories there and it pretty much sucks anyway these days. So not that just because there's a lot of scientologists there, uh doesn't make it, uh, any better. But uh, hans christian swartz. Thank you, hans, christian swartz, flyboat is correct. Yes, thank you. As many flyboat correct. Uh, comments that are made, I will say I'll put up every single one of those. How much are your free letter bills, michael Chavez says? I want to say that combo between both of ours was 158,000. Like mine was in the sixties mid sixties Almost a hundred thousand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Claire was like 96 or something like that. Like, and that's another thing. When you're in Scientology, you think that's real. When you're in the Sea Org, you think that freeloader bill is a real thing. When you leave, you can go on the internet and look up freeloader debt and find out oh you don't have to pay that.
Speaker 2:And Scientology can't do anything, yeah, except if you do ever want to talk to your family again, then it is a real thing and you do have to pay it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You also have to go back in Scientology and do a bunch of other crap. So, yeah, that's it. That ain't never going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's. It's one of those things where you're like oh man, like this is a total, like joke, Like you don't have to. It means nothing in the real world, they can't they can't come out and send it to collections?
Speaker 2:Yeah, they can't come after you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can't come after you for $1, much less 158,000 or whatever. Thank you, claire. Slappy white, claire's story got to me. You're my hero. Love you too, thank you. S got to me. You're my hero. Love you too. Thank you, slappy um l harris. Hey guys, thanks so much for all you do. I'm curious if claire's english accent is still there somewhere or completely gone on purpose.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I always wanted an american accent and I darn well got one yeah and she irreversible it's funny she tells that story so much.
Speaker 1:It's in one of the spy files because they sent a spy to contact Claire to do some business dealings with her and one of the things Claire told the person on the phone when they got into where she was from is like oh yeah, my husband's been trying to get me to lose my accent. I was like it's you, you wanted to lose it.
Speaker 2:I was just there, ok, okay, no, you played an active role.
Speaker 1:I teased you yeah, exactly active role. Oh yeah, you know it right here giddy, how giddy, who also flat flagging. Begin danish, you're so right. Yeah, that means fly badan, whatever. Whatever that says. Fly badan, that means fly boat.
Speaker 2:Yes, there we go. Case closed.
Speaker 1:That is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that valuable contribution.
Speaker 1:Danish people coming in and getting it done tonight.
Speaker 2:Yes, amazing.
Speaker 1:People think I have a good memory. I do. I remember I rode on the flying boat, Cat and Maggie. This is more chat.
Speaker 2:This is more for. This is more for chat than Claire. But Mike Rinder singled out Claire. Singled Claire out specifically for her kindness at Int when he wrote his book.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, no, he did.
Speaker 2:I appreciated that oh wow, yeah, no he did. I appreciated that he was also. Conversely, when I was under all kinds of anyway well, I'll cover it in my book Everything that happened after you escaped. Mike was the only person that was kind to me after you escaped.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Under the magnifying glass. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:When your spouse escapes, you are like yeah, like you didn't. You didn't see this coming. Yeah, like they, definitely, it's definitely like the scarlet letter.
Speaker 2:Man, that was the three weeks of the. Hey, I know, let's shit on claire. Let's write all these knowledge reports he was evil. He called the police. I mean, oh my God, Mike was the only person who was nice to me.
Speaker 1:The best one is that somebody wrote a knowledge report that I had been. There was this girl and she was also a redhead. Her name was Mimica. I called her Micaela. Mamika would ride around on the back of my motorcycle because she was ordered to shadow me.
Speaker 1:So because I was, by david miscavige I was not doing something or I don't know. And so he said one of these qual, uh word clears or or something should follow him around full time and see what he does all day, because he doesn't get much done. And I was driving all over this 500 acre property trying to get a million things done anyway. So this girl her name was Mimika and she was a little redhead and she would have to ride around with me on my motorcycle and people write knowledge reports, like this girl's always riding on the back of his motorcycle, and he's married to Claire. And I'm like, dude, look, I was. And I'm like I'm like Claire's going to see this. And Claire was CC'd on the report as well. She was copied on the report that this guy wrote. And I'm thinking, I'm thinking, dude, she's my wife, she knows I'm a mess up with this, this, this little, with this little redhead that has to follow me everywhere.
Speaker 2:I knew she was following orders from Miss Gavish. I know it's just like this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Anyway, they write when you're down. That's when the reports start flying. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like after you escaped. Lyman Spurlock wrote this report and he was because he lived in the same house with us. He had one room and he and his wife had another room and he wrote this report saying I always knew there was nothing good happening behind that closed door. I'm like what the heck is that supposed to mean? We were sleeping.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there wasn't. It wasn't a lot of anything happening behind those doors besides sleeping there, lyman. Rest in peace, lyman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I forgive you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pete in Toronto says at Claire. Thank you for your comments about not watching Tom Cruise movies. I started my boycott with the last mission impossible. Yeah, tom Cruise likes to jump out of high places and run fast.
Speaker 2:Okay, great that's what the movie is, and that's in reference to the post I put up on Facebook last year that went completely, went viral.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it was. I think it was in a whole bunch of newspapers and magazines and stuff. Claire shits on Tom Cruise. I was like damn hon, look at you. She just sent out a tweet and they made the news. Kelly copter.
Speaker 2:Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear sp bracelets. Yes, kelly, you've earned an sp bracelet. Yeah, we should send you one.
Speaker 1:Yeah see, look, I don't know if you guys can see the s? P rocking on there, but yeah, we can see. Um, in scientology they have these things called clear bracelets and so we thought it would be a funny idea. Well, you know, actually the person who thought of it was leah leah from I don't remember what I think for doing, for being on the show or for my birthday or something. She sent me a silver SP bracelet and I was like that is a good idea. And then we started selling them and the proceeds of the SP bracelets go directly to supporting the Aftermath Foundation that helps people escape from Scientology. And there you go. There's a little ticker there for a few seconds and bobbleheads and SP bracelets can be gotten at the spshopcom.
Speaker 1:Okay, enough of that, back to the questions. We only have about 18 questions left. We're going to keep going here, guys. We only have about 18 questions left. We're going to keep going here, guys. Marian Kakavusi says it's awesome that you look better than before. Well, I mean, I guess that's relative. That's a lot worse than the break room at Severance. Oh yeah, no, the Sea Org is Severance.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. I know that's why I tagged that comment. No, the Sea Org is Severance. Oh my gosh. I know, that's why I tagged that comment Cause oh, on so many levels, Severance is just epic in terms of.
Speaker 1:When you're in the place that's the Sea Org, but you never get to leave and go back to the house place.
Speaker 2:You're always in the Severance place, Even down to on the rare occasions that you do go visit your family. You're literally like you've left the building now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, you can't talk about anything you can't like.
Speaker 1:You know, the other funny thing is they interrogate you on that machine in there.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's, right, yes.
Speaker 1:It's so. Yes, I'm telling you, ben Stiller knows.
Speaker 1:Yes, that he's, oh my gosh Writing a very fine line on this being quasi Scientology. There you go. Thank you, juliana. Anna C.
Speaker 1:In prison, inmates make brick made of ramen, ketchup and God knows what else survival food oh yeah, that's what. That's what life was like when I was a kid. Ramen was a. We were balling if we had ramen, my sister and I. When we lived with my dad, there was food, but when we live with my mom, my mom was always broke because she gave every single possible scent to Scientology. And one time my sister and I were in my mom's apartment and we were digging through the cupboards trying to see if there was anything we could eat and I found this lone hidden can of to make Campbell's tomato soup. And, uh, and we fought and fought over who would have it and then we finally were like, okay, we'll just split it, you can have some, I'll have some. And uh, yeah, worst food poisoning I've ever had in my entire life. And we both had it because we shared it. Um, yeah, um, that's a psa, don't eat 12 year old, uh, tomato soup found in a cupboard.
Speaker 1:I think it's hilarious how the church of scientology is okay with people like cardone swindling money out of people. Most churches are against lying and cheating. Just another way we know they're not really a church. Yeah, you know they don't have hate sites up about Danny Masterson. They don't hate hate sets up of these, um, these Ponzi guys stealing all the Scientology money. It's that's what I'm telling you. Um, scientologists are watching this. They know I'm I'm telling the truth.
Speaker 2:Where's the where's the hate side exposing Reed Slatkin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there is a ton of Scientology on Scientology crime and it's sort of a normal thing and they get away with it because there's nothing you can do. You can write your knowledge report. If that guy gave a million bucks to Scientology he ain't going to face any consequences.
Speaker 2:That's a very good comment. Ava Scientology enables criminals yeah, they do Enable. And any consequences? Yep, that's a very good comment. Ava Scientology enables criminals yeah, they do Enable.
Speaker 1:And protect them Totally. This is my first live on your channel Been watching the spy files. How did you take reading this files personally? You know that's a good point, prince. Sometimes when I'm reading those it is sort of weird that I'm reading a bunch of bullshit written about me by someone in the Scientology spy wing and they're reporting it up to international management, and I somehow have to read these things with a straight face. I do. When I'm reading these things, I do interject and drop, you know F-bombs and you know be like no shit. Sherlock, like Mark, is not really talking about getting through his steps to get back into Scientology. It's like yeah, hello.
Speaker 2:Is that a surprise? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, what gave you that idea? Was it the constant trash talking about David Miscavige, scientology boss baby? I would talk so much mad shit about David Miscavige, scientology boss baby. Um, I would talk so much mad shit about david miscavige when we left and I know claire would be like and I would just be like, oh, that dude's a total, total douche nozzle and uh, yeah, um it did kind of freak me out a little bit at first, even when you were reading the, the message boards and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:I was still in the mindset like, oh God, he really shouldn't be reading that.
Speaker 1:But I was kind of like, well, to each our own right, yeah when we got out I was like I ain't playing by those rules anymore, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and personally, from having spent so many years in Religious Technology Center and being being by default, so judgmental of people that I personally was like I'm I, it's not. Who am I to judge people? I'm never going to do that again. Walk in someone's shoes and understand who they are, don't judge and label. So I just was like let you go and do whatever you want to do, but it scared the crap out of me yeah, and here we are den Denver, stevo.
Speaker 1:It is ironic for me to send a super chat to comment on how great it is that Mark and Claire answer so many non super chats. Well, you know the super chat. To be honest, guys, we do answer a lot of questions that aren't super chats, um, but the super chats they pay to the channel and that does help the algorithm and it helps get more, get us more viewers and all that stuff and it does make it. It does make the sting of doing this a little bit less, because we do have to take time to do this and we do do this instead of doing something else that we could be doing. And but yeah, we try. What am I going to say? We feel supported.
Speaker 2:I personally see a lot of great questions, so I try to catch the great questions, whether they're super chats or not.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Greetings from Chile. Do you? Or Chile? Uh, do you think if your kids ask to read your book, would you let them, or would you rather tell them yourself? Oh, I would let them read the book. My, our kids have heard us. We have had so many SP parties at our house that these these kids have heard so many stories. They've heard some very crazy stories and I don't mind telling them these crazy stories because then they can kind of understand where I'm coming from. Like when one of them complains about something's too hard not going to get a lot of sympathy, not going to get a lot of sympathy from good old dad there, because, uh, hey, there I was out of the house when I was 14, I was paying rent and having to go to the grocery store and do my food shopping. Yeah, like, uh, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like our oldest son right now is older, we were both already working at the base.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:His age right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's very crazy thought yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So, yeah, peggy Wolf says Claire, I can't find some of the Wednesday's stuff. Can that be labeled so they are easier to find? It's called Scientology stories. That's all the videos that Claire do are Scientology stories. There's only two that Claire is not the interviewer and that's because I was the interviewer, because we were talking about her, and even then, um, I talk so much in those that she just did her own video without me at all. And then all the other videos are her interviewing people and they're called Scientology stories.
Speaker 1:There's a playlist in the description that's called Scientology Stories and it's all of these and they're amazing. They're a little long, they're anywhere from an hour to two hours, I think most of them, and they're also up on the Blown for Good podcast, wherever great podcasts can be found, and sometimes they come out on the podcast earlier than they come out on YouTube. So it's always good to check there, just in case, or subscribe or comment. Oh, that's another thing. We forgot to say that last time. Um, uh, if you're on YouTube you try to get subscribers and views, but in the podcast world it's downloads and reviews. So if you could do us all a flavor and go over to the podcast and somehow figure out how to review it.
Speaker 1:I think you have to go. If you're on Apple podcast, you have to go all the way past all of the episodes and at the bottom it'll say like comments or something and rate this and you can do that. But uh, we'd appreciate it if you could do that. And um, yeah, and all of of the on the podcast, all of Claire's interviews, are also called Scientology Stories and they're numbered the exact same way. So no matter where you listen, you can find it. And oh, and one last thing, youtube just launched podcasts as well and they're all there as well, so you can find them anywhere. Thank you, peggy Pippa. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Pippa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's definitely See, we're getting the European.
Speaker 2:There's not a lot of Pippas floating around in the States and hey, let's take a moment. Thanks to the almost 1,500 people still here with us, this is amazing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, 1,500 people. Yeah, these Sunday chats do pretty well on the YouTube, so we'll keep doing them and it gives a chance for people that normally wouldn't get to tune into a live to tune in. Scientology screams of useless busy work. Oh my god, amen, joe, um, how does scientology store all the data from transcripts, word clearing, etc. Do they warehouse all the hard copy and electronic versions? Scientology servers? Yeah, dude, talk about busy work. Talk about all these reports. They have hard copy and digital files for all of this stuff yeah and they do keep it all.
Speaker 1:They keep it all hard copy and it gets scanned and then they keep it digital as well and they have um. I want to say, you know petabytes, terabytes and terabytes and petabytes of useless reports all stored and it's also all, it's all in a database. So in the spy files video this week they have this thing called. And well, when OSA tries to go after somebody, they try to find all the connections that they have and they use this database to find every person that's connected to every other person, and the computer generates a chart and it shows how all these people are connected to each other by the reports. So like, if Wolfie writes a report on Jeff and Mark, then Wolfie is over here and then he's connected to Mark and he's connected to Jeff and then Mark and Jeff are connected to each other and it has this whole. It's, it's, I'm telling you guys, it's, it's like espionage software. That's what Scientology have. They have espionage software and um, telling you, it's some crazy. It's called the data files.
Speaker 2:That's what they use and it's, it's um and they have multiple levels of data files too. Religious technology center has their data files. Yes, management has their data files. Middle management has their data files. Oh my gosh, just just on and on, and on, and on and on.
Speaker 1:And you have to have clearances to have different levels of access to data files. So if you work in Los Angeles and you're in the Sea Org and you're in management in Los Angeles, you only have access to Los Angeles data files. But as you move up at Int, so Gold is an int level manufacturing organization and so we had data files to the entire world and gold, but we didn't have it to the organizations that were above golden era at the international headquarters, and sometimes you'd be doing some kind of project or something and you needed to have int level data files access, and when you would get it you would see all the reports that they're writing it in and you'd be like, oh my God, it's a bloodbath up there too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not just a yeah, no, Apostate Alex just made a hilarious comment. He said oh, espionage software, Get it Esp yeah.
Speaker 1:No, it's serious. Anyway, yes, joe, they have. That's what Incom does. We were talking about them earlier in the episode. Incom are the Scientology computer guys that manage the data files and the servers and there's an Incom. Wherever there's a C-org base or unit, there's an Incom. There's a C? Org base or unit, there's an income there that has all these computers and that's the other thing. Those computers can't be on the Internet. So Scientology has their own fiber optic and microwave network between all their facilities that they have to have all this stuff on, because if they put this income system onto the interwebs it's going to get hacked, and the one time they had a guy inside that almost leaked it, it was like a big fiasco. So, yeah, they do have their own giant private network that they operate that has all this super secret, crazy Scientology data on it.
Speaker 1:We should do a contest like Elon Musk. He has this contest where he pays hackers to hack Tesla cars and if they successfully hack it, they get paid and they win a car. And I think some guys just did it and they won like a million bucks and they got a model three and a bunch of stuff. But it's called a like white hack, hacking. So you pay hackers to find exploits in your system and then you pay them. We should pay. We should see if we could round up like 25 K and say you know, hey, if there's any white hackers that can, uh, you know, get Scientology convicted of some crimes with all their nonsense, we'll get you some do-re-mi. The government should do that, frankly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the government should do that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, joe. Lily Castle, you're all probably aware of this, but there is an adult protective services for seniors and those with disabilities, just like CPS for kids. Yes, we know, lily, and that's another thing. If you do have a elderly person involved in scientology and you're able to talk to them, you should absolutely get a hold of them and make sure that they're doing okay, and if you do not think that they're doing okay, you can make a conf like a um, what do you call it?
Speaker 1:an anonymous report yeah to adult services and they can investigate it and if there's anything going on, and it might even they might even be able to get a message to that person if they needed to get out or if they need to talk to a relative or something. Uh, thank you for that. Can you picture anyone opening COB and Shelly's mail with Dave flip out, oh you bet your sweet titsy would. Oh my goodness, you bet your sweet tits he would. Oh my goodness. Yeah, Everybody else is getting mail opened. If you open his shit, you would. Oh my goodness. Can you imagine if his mail was open when he got?
Speaker 2:to it he would. Oh, no, he would promptly dispose of whoever did that.
Speaker 1:But Shelly would open their mail right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he wouldn't necessarily be opening mail. You think, maybe if he got something from Steven Spielberg or Will Smith?
Speaker 2:or something, but even then Shelly would have been the one opening that that's true, shelly, yeah. Shelly or Larisse.
Speaker 1:But if he found out that somebody else opened his mail?
Speaker 2:His hands would have broken out if he would have opened envelopes. You know, his skin was all messed up.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's true, he had really bad eczema. Martine Pigeon, are you still annoyed by PIs and the COS fair gaming? I just went through all the spy files on your channel and I wondered if everything calmed down eventually. No, it never. I mean, I really I just try to ignore it. It's nonsense.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do? There's not a lot you can do about it, and even we've looked into it with lawyers. You really got to spend. I'm just going to be honest, guys. If we want to do something legal, we have to spend, uh, hundreds of thousands of dollars. Uh, very likely. And, um, yeah, if, uh, we, if we start doing that, you bet your, you bet your ass that we're going to be answering super chats. Yeah, I mean, it is what it is. They're trying to get a rise out of us.
Speaker 1:So I try not to get riled up and wound up about it, and that's why I don't ever go to the sites, because otherwise I might get wound up. But the more people are telling me what's on there, the more I'm like okay, I lick some crackers. Okay, like, I still don't think that happened, I don't remember that. It sounds very random and weird. And where would I get crackers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but at the same time, okay, let's pretend I licked some crackers. Okay, like it's like, that's what you got. You got I licked some crackers. Okay, whatever, if that's what you guys want to say, wow, this is Denver Stevo is like on fire. Denver Stevo this week. Goldie, please post the link on your local YouTube device, sub aub now, so you're there as we prepare to launch. Oh, he's saying to post the link. Yeah, goldie, let it.
Speaker 2:Let, we'll get the let us have the link, we'll put it in.
Speaker 1:We'll put it in the description so he doesn't have to hide in the comments. Jennifer Calvert. Claire, where is part three of your COS story? I can't find it anywhere, and part two ended with the cliffhanger. Thanks for all the hard work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have to pick that up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we got so. Claire got so excited about interviewing people that we just stopped doing her thing.
Speaker 2:It's like I was like yeah, and to be honest, it's really tough talking about some of that stuff. I've never even. Some of that has just never seen the light of day, and it took me a few days to recover. So a break is nice and talking to other people is always helpful too, but we will get back to it. Thanks for the reminder.
Speaker 1:Okay, ms Pelosi says die Heart is the Amazon prime movie released in Feb 2023. Oh, with Kevin Hart and Travolta parody on action movie stars yeah, I haven't seen it, but um, I do find it funny that they take a if they really do take a swipe at Scientology in there, just even kind of a, just a hint of it. Um, but uh, and Travolta's in the movie Joe Schmo from Simcoe Claireire headley on scientology. Your story was so gripping and made this grown man cry. You two and sptv have my gratitude. Gratitude, and I never got allowed into cos. Hi from vancouver, org.
Speaker 2:osa thank you for watching joe. Yeah, joe schmoe, thank you, you're being here we were just up in vancouver.
Speaker 1:It's amazing.
Speaker 1:I love it, it's beautiful uh, rock it out with kim d. Hey, hey or hey or hey, yay or he. He super chats are like seeing your name come across the screen during the Jerry Lewis telephone. Love, your content is fantastic, Thank you. Thank you, we like it to rock it out with Kim D. Kat and Maggie says I was in the C org. Is the Trump card I walked uphill to school both ways. I was in the Sea Org. Is the Trump card? I walked uphill to school both ways. I was in the Sea Org. Yeah. Is the Trump card to walk up to?
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, I walked uphill to school both ways.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I'm pretty sure our kids know that there's not a lot that's going to happen in their lives that's going to suck anywhere near as the least sucky thing in our lives. So wait, wait, mark was helping his sister look for change in the dogs. Tampa, brad, change in the dogs. Wait, mark was helping his sister look for change in the dogs.
Speaker 2:Tampa bread. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1:Wait wait, wait, Mark, You're going to have to help us out on this one. William was helping his sister look for change in the dogs. Change in the dogs. Every way I read it I don't see. I'm sorry, I don't. I'm sorry I'm missing it out, but hashtag Tampa bread. Okay.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's a couch digging reference, I don't know. It sounds like it can change.
Speaker 1:It also could have just been a typo, yeah, but well, thank you, william, regardless. Thank you, um hi from uk. What security measures are in place to prevent tech films from being leaked? Okay, I'll tell you this decultified Um.
Speaker 1:We built a computer system for the tech films and the technical training films, as they're referred to in Scientology. They have the TR films and the EM films and there's about, let's say, 30 plus of them and um, they were. They were always traditionally on film and while I was there, I used to get, basically we'd get a lot of nonsense happening on these films because they had to be reproduced on 16 millimeter film with mag stripe audio, which is a nightmare and it flakes and it gets in the film and it makes the film dirty. It's a big mess Anyway. So it was always my idea that we should switch to computers. I got in trouble for that by David Miscavige on many occasions for even suggesting that we would ever use computers, that the quality would never be good enough and it would never be secure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, obviously all of their film rooms are all computerized, because I computerized them and the way we made it was if you unplugged the system, you wouldn't be able to access the media, and because the media would basically burn itself down if it wasn't started up a certain way. If it wasn't started up a certain way. So the only way that you could access these is if you had the password to this computer. And, oddly enough, I'm going to say we made there were Dell computers that we used at the base because we could make Dell make them exactly the way we wanted and make them charge not a lot of money, because we were make Dell make them exactly the way we wanted and make them charge Not a lot of money, because we were ordering millions and millions of dollars worth of these computers.
Speaker 1:But we had to make a password that nobody would ever be able to guess, and and and. That's what we gave to every single one of these computers that you had to get into, like the back end of it, and otherwise we'd have users created for the organizations and way you could get in. But you had to have this one password, this one main, highest level administrative password, to be able to get into any of these computers. Okay, so we made these for film rooms, we made these for displays, we made this thing called the bookstore system. We made all these different systems that went out to these organizations. And I would always joke about how there's no way you could get the media off of these things, because if anybody got one and they didn't have this password, if you tried so many times, it would burn down the media if you put the wrong password in. And but then I thought, but I know that password, but of course there's no way they wouldn't have changed the password, cause I'm I made the password, I made all the systems, I know exactly what the password is, so they would have to change those. Okay, fast forward.
Speaker 1:A few years ago somebody bought a mission, a Scientology mission, like uh, uh, somebody had a mission, a Scientology mission. When you buy a mission, you get all these film systems and all these things that you have to pay for to have a mission. And, um, they, their mission closed and they put it in a storage locker and it was on like one. You know, like uh. There's a show, tv show called storage wars, where they bid on storage lockers that have been abandoned. Well, somebody found one of these lockers that was a scientology mission and they bid on. They bought it for like 500 and it had a bunch of these film systems in it. Now I don't remember how it got to me, but basically somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody knew somebody who knew me and these film systems showed up at my place and and I was like what are the chances that they didn't change the password?
Speaker 2:What do you want to bet? Oh, so scribbling notes right now. Make sure all the passwords have been changed.
Speaker 1:You guys done, messed up, messed up. I logged in and I'm going to tell you what the password is right now, in case anybody, uh, anybody, needs to uh, get into one of these things. The password for the international network of Scientology computers at PlayMedia is 192.168.1.1. That is the admin password to all of the computers that I set up when I was there. Obviously, if you have somebody set up passwords for your company and that person leaves and then speaks out against your criminal human child trafficking, elder abuse cult, it is common security policies to change said password of systems so that that media does not leak out on the internet. Anyway, the computer system that I had didn't have any films on it. It had these things that were called.
Speaker 2:Quote videos.
Speaker 1:Quote videos which I was the one who shot and I even scripted and shot some of the videos on the system and I'm in some of the videos on the system. But, um, yeah, the uh, they weren't that great and I did talk about them on a blog with uh Tony Ortega site. We covered a bunch of these different quote videos that came out and I would write about what happened as we were shooting it and who the people were that were in it and all that good stuff. So anyway, yeah, I don't even remember what the question was anymore, but yeah, I'm pretty sure we answered it.
Speaker 1:Gary Jackson Moorhead, I used to open David Miscavige's Playboy and Penthouse mags before he got them. No way, you are such a criminal, gary Moorhead. You opened David Miscavige's Playboy and Penthouse mags oh, that's true, Because I think they is that because they ship those in an envelope or something, Gary, or they. I guess that's how you, I see I, you know I always remember when, like, somebody would get like a people magazine or they get like a Rolling Stone and if there was a bad article they would throw away everyone's Rolling Stone and I thought why not just cut out the pages that have the Scientology thing in it. You're throwing away a whole magazine that could be perfectly amazing. Yeah, anyway, it's like that's. That's a total waste man, especially that's if you're a seer member and you subscribe to rolling stone. You must be a baller like not a lot of people subscribing to magazines up at that joint. Um, thank you for that, gary, you dirty dog.
Speaker 1:You rock it out with Kim D. Last name pronounced Hi German name. Oh, rock it out with Kim D Hi. Kim D Hi. Kim D Hi, kim D Hi. Ok, I'll try to remember it. Last name pronounced Hi German name. Loved your pronunciation better. He, he Jersey.
Speaker 2:Janet says you get a 10 for creativity on that one honey.
Speaker 1:I thought it was just like he, he, like he, he Not like. That was the name. Jersey. Janet says Claire breaks my heart that some of your Scientology experiences are still so difficult for you to talk about. No question, just encouragement to keep fighting. Sptv is keeping DM awake at night. Yeah, pretty soon we're going to accidentally tell a story that's like the worst story that David Miscavige doesn't want told. Yep, goldie says Martha, all you supporters are amazing. Thank you, goldie. Oh, goldie's got a new heart MOD. Is that a mod?
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, look at that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Oh, here we go. Sub to Gary Jackson Moorhead Amazing content coming. That's his YouTube channel. I hope it is. Last time we leaked to one I was like that is not Jackson. Claire sent me some link and I was like I don't know. Jackson is so likable and funny. Yeah, jackson was hanging out with Scientology celebrities. When he got out of the base I was like when he was telling his story I was like dude, what the hell? Well, because he didn't cause any trouble, he kind of just did his, played nice, and so they let him just be like a normal guy again. And he was also one of those people that if he went South it would be really bad, cause he knows tons of stuff and I guess eventually he still leads us to today, where he's about to launch his channel.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Miscavige loves that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, I love this. Oh yeah. See, a lot of people are like that's a weird password and Denver Stevo says you use the IP. Yeah, that's just a computer address that we always used for a certain thing and that was just the IP address and we were like no one's ever going to guess that, but it's also something that we'll easily be able to remember for the rest of time. So, yeah, when I typed in the password and it opened it up, I was like that's crazy. And also, this computer was like 10 years old, maybe even 15 years old. I probably programmed the computer that they sent me. Mark and Claire, your love is so amazing for you both to have come out of this horrible cult and being there for each other. Thank you, denise.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Denise.
Speaker 1:We try. I mean, there's not a lot of people, you know, like when you have something in common with another person, yeah, like we likely have the most in common at this point, yeah, which?
Speaker 2:can be a blessing and a curse. I would say Like you know, it's really nice that we understand each other, but sometimes we just have to shut off the Scientology piece and just take a break. Yeah, and also I always say show me a perfect relationship and I'll show you a perfect liar. Come on now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're pretty understanding of uh yeah, we have a good understanding of nonsense, so we try to steer away from it a lot, so you know shelly netzer edgerton says dell is the worst I know, right, dell. Oh golly. Okay guys, um, I think we, uh, I think we got them all oh wait, two more.
Speaker 2:What you have? Two you, you. You kind of got off on the deep dive oh no, I did the william one.
Speaker 1:We never heard what william was talking about oh, right, yeah um, and then the last one was page. Oh, I just made it disappear. I got two click happy, so you got to find that page one here it is all right, here we go, got it oh you got it yeah, put it up there, there you go, yeah um page benson, off topic.
Speaker 1:Have you ever seen the movie the master? Just saw it for the first time and found the hubbard and tr references interesting. Any thoughts on how cults are represented in entertainment? Yeah, the master is great. I, I think gosh. I want to say I did a review of the master for I did.
Speaker 2:I know for sure, I did one of us.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did one on um a will smith movie for variety. I think you did one for the master. We might have even talked about it on tony ortega's block yeah blog, but um, yeah, the um.
Speaker 1:That movie was amazing yeah and that movie, um, I don't know if you guys know this, but when tom cruise, uh, he did a movie called Magnolia and he played a real, not Tom Cruise type character and he, as what I was told is, he did get uh, uh little uh cozy with, uh, the director I think his name is, um, pta, paul Thomas Anderson, and Paul Thomas Anderson directed Magnolia, which was one of Tom Cruise's maybe best movies in his career in terms of like him, you know acting, and not being like his. You know, run fast and jump off a tall stuff guy and do stuff high up, high, like in planes and stuff, but and he didn't get in, he didn't get any awards or anything. And then, but then for Paul Thomas Anderson to then go and do the master the movie with, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:Amy Adams. Amy Adams, yes.
Speaker 1:Amy Adams is born in our is from our home, our town. She's born in our is from our home, our town here um she's born in our town. I love amy adams um but um, yeah to him. Philip seymour hoffman is the one who played the l ron hubbard character that's right, he was but um yeah, it was a great movie and probably like not too far from no from the truth it was. It seemed like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could totally see it going that way, yeah and I and I would say in terms of cults in entertainment, like a lot of the early documentaries, in my opinion, were like ex, like dramatized, you know, like really dark and music and this and that and the other thing, and I think that's what was brilliant about the Aftermath series is that it just told real people, showed real people telling their stories With Scientology. Unfortunately, the stories are already so extreme that adding to it just gives it this weird kind of spin that I don't know takes away from the actual horribleness of the story.
Speaker 1:So yeah, anyway, yeah, they a lot of times in entertainment, if it's not like a documentary style production, they try to make it about Tom Cruise or they try to. It's like sensationalism and they try to talk about this fluffy stuff. That's sort of like eh, okay, I mean, that happened, but that's not like really a big deal in the overall scheme of things. And so the aftermath TV show was really good. It was like no, these are just real people, this is part of their story. And even then we only got to barely barely scratch the surface and telling our story and I'm sure a lot of other people and there's been a whole other shows where people have spilled their guts and told their story and, you know, let their uh, you know emotions go and everything. And those shows have never even seen the light of day. They just shelved the whole thing because Scientology sent them a mean uh letter from a lawyer. Um, okay, guys, we're going to wrap it up here. It's been, uh, it's been. We've been here for two hours and 40 minutes. That's a long live, guys. That might be a record.
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