hey guys, welcome to the channel. Uh, we've got an exciting episode for you guys tonight. If you're listening on the podcast or watching this on youtube, uh, we've got Mike Rinder, we've got Amy Scobie and we've got my wife, claire Headley, and we are all here to talk about Scientology and the craziness that surrounds it.
Speaker 2:Hi everyone.
Speaker 1:Welcome Amy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1:Thanks for joining us Amy.
Speaker 4:This is awesome.
Speaker 1:I think this is the first time that Amy has been on our channel, on the blow for good channel. I know she did a video with Mike, at least one video with my one. Yeah, earlier this week I was, we Claire and I were in. We were out of town, so we've been kind of off the grid for three or four days. But, yeah, I saw that you had done a video. I'll probably download it and watch it later when I'm traveling. I'm going to be traveling again at the end of the week so I'll probably catch up on it then. But, yeah, awesome, I did. You know I did download an episode that you did Mike right before I got on the plane. Yeah, and that was the episode about the Clearwater Scientology's land grab down in Clearwater. Yeah, oh, we have got to cover that for a few seconds. Hey guys, if you're joining us tonight we'll chat for a little bit and as soon as we're done chatting about this video that Mike just did, then we'll do a Q&A for probably the rest of the video. So if you've got questions, maybe you have a question for Amy.
Speaker 1:Amy wrote a book. Amy was one of the first people, first handful of people, to write a book about Scientology and her experiences at the int base and her view. Her book is called abuse at the top and I put a link to it down in the description. But if you haven't read that, it's an amazing book. It tells that a completely another viewpoint, another perspective of the int base and how Amy got in and ended up working at the very, very top of Scientology management. And anyway, if you want to find out more about the craziness of Scientology, there's another way to do it. Anyway, land grab Mike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ok, that video is based on a another investigative journalist piece by Tracy McManus in the Tampa Bay Times.
Speaker 2:That happened over the weekend and it's all about a whole nother zone of Clearwater that has been being bought up by Scientologists. But now there is this outside developer who's come in on the scene and he is buying properties from Scientologists in this area, including, like, trish Duggan and Trish Duggan isn't selling property because she needs the money and the fact that she is not selling it to Scientology is like the hugest oddity of all. But somehow or another, tracy got her hands on a draft email that sort of spilled the beans and said oh yeah, this guy that's come in from out of town is really a front and we want him to be the face of this development. And while there is no proof that this is what is going on because of course Scientology denies it and this guy denies it, and I kind of make a point I don't know why he's denying it so heavily. I don't know why he just doesn't say hey, I'm not with the Scientologists, they're a bunch of fucking cultists.
Speaker 2:But he doesn high, you can build buildings, because the sandcastle is going to become a white elephant and Mr Savage is going to have to open a new advanced org because the amphitheater is going to get going like in a few months actually, and that will kind of ruin the sandcastle as a location for auditing and training. You know people say, oh, they've got plenty of money, they can just soundproof it. Oh, my God, to soundproof the auditing rooms in that place you would have to have baffles that fill up the entire room. You can't soundproof glass that easily. It's a real deal. They're going to have to build a new AO and Miscavige is not going to want to move that inland because the sandcastle has always been promoted as being, oh, we're right on the water and you can sit in the restaurant and overlook the, the intracoastal waterway, and how cool is this? And we have this waterfront property. So the only waterfront property is now what is being quote, developed by this guy from out of town.
Speaker 2:Well, the other part of this story that caught my attention, just because I happen to know a lot of the history of guardian's office and intelligence operations, etc. Etc. Is the involvement of this guy, brian andrus. Brian Andrus, if you go to either my blog today or to the video that I did on my channel today, you will see Brian Andrus was very intimately involved with kidnapping and keeping away the primary witness in the prosecution of the Guardian's office officials in the mid-70s. He actually was the sort of go-between between the Guardian's office and Mary Sue Hubbard and this guy, michael Meisner. Michael Meisner was the person who was arrested by the FBI in the IRS with false identification, stealing documents, and the GO whisked him to Los Angeles. They didn't want him going and testifying and they ended up keeping him in safe houses and actually handcuffing him and gagging him and moving him from house to house, and Brian Andrews was the one that did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Brian Andrews, the guy who is renting a spot to the guy, this mysterious developer, this new bad actor. And isn't it one of his properties that that guy is as renovating as well?
Speaker 2:And he brought him on to assist him in completing the build out of the townhomes on Brian Andrus's development. Yeah, so this is about as fishy as it gets, but, mark, I know that you have that map there that you put in. This map shows you the reality of downtown Clearwater and Scientology. All of those squares in yellow are owned by the church. All of the ones in red are owned by Scientologists or Scientology LLCs or people that are in some ways, in some way connected or associated with the Church of Scientology, and the blue is the property that is now being has now been purchased or is part of this outside developer. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:It's amazing this map. This map really tells a story and and also I just wanted to mention, just cause you said it uh, moving into town under false pretenses and using a shell corporations or front groups to buy property, that's the first thing that Scientology did in Clearwater. It was their number one move was to do exactly what this guy is now doing. That was the first thing. That and was that directed by L Ron Hubbard and it would have had to have been Absolutely.
Speaker 2:And the name of the corporation that was created to purchase the properties like the Fort Harrison and the Clearwater Bank Building was called the Southern Land Development and Leasing Corporation, sdlc. And the person who was the representative of the Southern Land Development Corporation for the United Churches of Florida, that's who they claim was actually a GO guy from Los Angeles, yeah, who was sent to Clearwater to pretend to be this guy from the Southern Land Development Leasing Corporation.
Speaker 2:You can't write, you couldn't write this that literally the guy that did that was from the geo and the guy working with the new guy he's also from the geo and you know it, tracy is so careful in her reporting that she doesn't like, even though I talked to her before this story came out and I said Tracy, you know what's going on, they're doing, this is what they're planning on doing. And she's like yeah, but I, you know there's no proof of that.
Speaker 2:You know there's no way that we can support a statement like that. That's your conjecture. I said I know, I know she would not report it. She won't put it in the story. I said don't worry, I'll put it out on my blog when the story comes out.
Speaker 1:But even the thing about the geo operatives like if you just say, yeah, this is how they did this in the very, very beginning, this is how they got their. Their first spot on this map was with this guy and this guy and this guy, and they were part of the Guardian's office and this was ordered and approved by Hubbard. And then all this other stuff, these guys, I'm telling you, these geo guys, they're everywhere Scientology has placed these guys places. And I was, and I was thinking about it when I was, when I was watching your video, because you talk about Greg Willardson, who used to be, who was the dad of a student that I went to at Delphi. His mom also worked at the Scientology school called Delphi and his wife I don't know exactly what his wife did. I think they had something to do with the Beverly Hills mission or some kind of affiliation with that. This was in the in the mid 80s, but. But the other thing, is that.
Speaker 2:I think Judy Willardson is mentioned in that stipulation of evidence somewhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought they were both in the I think she was in the GO.
Speaker 2:She may have even been one of the defendants in the case. I can't remember who they all are because they all have like seven names. Yes, that was, they've all got aliases and yes, that it's like, uh, herman, aka blah, aka blah it's like the other thing.
Speaker 1:But the other thing that I that I realized when I kept seeing all these names is I know a lot of these people like the Willertons, but the thing that caught that I remembered was so wait a minute. It was in the late seventies that they got kicked out of the guardian's office, when the guardian's office was disbanded.
Speaker 2:Well, that was the early eighties actually.
Speaker 1:Okay, early eighties, 81. Okay, so this is when I knew them was like an 85, 84, not just a one-bedroom house. It had a sauna in it that they would deliver the purif in their house. That's how big this place was. And then I thought Henning Heldt was in the GO. He was one of the ones who actually went to jail. Yes, he was the dean at the Scientology School at Delphi. But then I started thinking of other GO members, um. But then I started thinking of other geo members like. Henning was also very well off and had enough money where he had donated large amounts of money to Scientology, but he got kicked out of an organization where he was getting paid 45 bucks a week. It's just a lot of things like how, how did this end up to be it the way it was? Anyway, it's a great video.
Speaker 1:We'll put a link to the video in um in the description of this, but there's definitely some funny business going down in clear water that, we that we barely, barely know the tip of the iceberg I guarantee you, tracy mcmanus is going to just get her little pickaxe and she's just going to start digging, and we're going to start seeing more and more and more of this thing as time goes on and you know, what's really incredible is the response that Scientology sends Every time.
Speaker 2:They send this response saying that Tracy McManus is a hater and a bigot and she should be fired. And the Tampa Bay Times just bigoted the haters, anti-religionists, I mean. It just goes on and on and on, and the only thing they do is deny in big, broad terms nope, this is just never. No, this is not true. No, we never knew anything about this.
Speaker 3:And, as I said, I can't take one ounce of responsibility for a single freaking thing.
Speaker 4:No, they can't even be honest for a second, according to them, they set them up with plausible deniability.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you I know how this gets done. You hire a lawyer. The lawyer hires a pi. The pi goes and finds a guy to be the front man, and so ben shaw says I've never heard of the, I've never spoken to this guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably true. It is true because Ben Shaw is not involved in Dick squat David Miscavige is doing exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean we saw this in the in the Marty Rathbun case, where there were all these cutouts between these PIs and they said, oh, it was just a writer that was working on a book in the trailer that had been parked behind his house where the cameras were, and they had nothing to do with anything related. Well, it turns out the writer was actually a PI hired by another PI who'd been hired by a lawyer who'd been hired by some other lawyer. I mean, this is just standard Scientology operation. You know there are. There have been far more intricate operations than this the one to set up Terry and Fernando in Australia. Yeah, that was a serious operation.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, even the guys that they had watching mark fisher and janice and paul grady I mean best friends it was, there was, it was a guy who was mark. I mean clarence tells it in one of the videos that we did with mark fisher on the scientology story series. But uh, I, this guy worked with Mark was his best friend for years, yeah, for 10 years, and he for 10 years.
Speaker 3:The guy pretended to be his best friend. Why we don't trust people, right oh?
Speaker 1:I know, I know, just so, you guys know there's a lot of-.
Speaker 3:Why do you put me sideways every once in a while? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's so funny that you said that, Amy, because I have to bring this up. It's a lot of people that send me messages on Facebook and on. Youtube and they want to chat with me.
Speaker 4:I'm not a chatter.
Speaker 1:I don't chat on the phone, I don't chat on the Internet. Scientology is constantly baiting and doing things to sort of get us to engage and maybe say something to somebody off the cuff privately that they can then use. So if you're sending me messages on Facebook and you're not getting answers, that's because I don't answer them. And every once in a while I chat in the comments, like on these videos, I'll answer questions and stuff. But yeah, claire can confirm.
Speaker 4:My favorite is when the emails close with I promise I am not a spy. Every single time it reminds me of this time when we were living in Burbank, california, and a full-blooded OSA spy came into our house and we knew he was a spy. He was actually there trying to intercept this younger guy that was actively escaping, and Mark looks at him and he says he didn't know that.
Speaker 1:We knew he was a spy. No, he didn't know.
Speaker 4:He goes, so listen. So how does this work? How often do? You report to OSA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his name was Daniel Christian, that was the best. And he came over to our house and I said, hey, daniel, he was sitting there and, like, sterling Tompkins is there and a bunch of ex-SEORG members from the Int Base, we're all hanging out in my living room and this Daniel kid's hanging and he's just checking it out and asking questions and stuff. I said so, hey, daniel, he's like what's up? And I'm like so do you report into OSA like every day, or is it like at the end of the week? And he literally was just stunned into silence.
Speaker 4:He froze, he froze.
Speaker 1:And then Sterling says no.
Speaker 4:I asked him and he said he's not a spy and mark's like dude uh, spy manual 101 when asked if you are a spy deny you are a spy, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3:But there's a million stories. Someday we need to do, do, uh, you know a talk on the little pi kind of activity that they put on. Because, boy, it's pretty intricate. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1:Even the fact that you had taken a picture of a spy that was following you guys in Washington, amy, yeah, it was like even it was a blurry picture of him and he had a camera, he had long hair, he had a ponytail and he had like a biker jacket on. He was a biker jacket on, he was a, he was a biker looking dude. And anyway, you had taken a picture and sent it to me and I saw this guy or whatever. Anyway, mike and I went to a HBO Sundance Sundance film festival for the release of going clear.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we he flew via Denver and I got on the same plane and went with him. Like he didn't even get up out of a seat. I just got onto the plane in Denver and sat down next to it was like, hey, fancy, meet you here anyway. But but when we got there I said, hey, I'll hang back and I'll let you walk ahead of me and then I'll just see if I see anybody like kind of pop out of the woodwork to follow you or take pictures or anything. Anyway, this we didn't need to sneak around at all. This dude had a camera. He was just taking pictures of Mike anyway, but I took a picture of him, coincidentally very blurry. This guy might be a shape shifter, because I haven't seen an in focus picture of this guy anywhere. But uh, but it was the same dude who had been with you in um, washington and Washington. Okay, well, I was going through one of the spy file video. Uh, five spy file documents that I have, that.
Speaker 1:I got from Mike and um. They had a map of where all the SPs lived and it has a dot, a pin for each SP, each suppressive person that left the base. It's being a problem. They had a map, like a computer printout and pins in it.
Speaker 1:But when they would place somebody, they were talking about where somebody might be placed, and they would make sure that they weren't near each other. They would try to spread them out so they wouldn't be able to drive and talk to each other, and so that's why, for a long time, we were all driving to see each other, because none of us lived there.
Speaker 1:And I was like this is ridiculous. We should get more people to move to Burbank. Ridiculous, we should get more people to move to Burbank. But when I was going through the document I noticed that they used PIs that were local to certain guys. So a PI that would be watching you, he could zip over to Utah to tag on Mike and I flying in or something like that Anyway, but we should absolutely as part of the spy files.
Speaker 1:We're going to get to it. But when I'm thinking, because there's some spy files coming up with us, that you're in, amy, oh yeah, I think even the last one I did had you and matt on the diagram.
Speaker 3:They, they have these like zen diagrams of scientologists that are connected, but it just had a blank and a bubble or something. I thought I wonder if our names are supposed to be in there.
Speaker 1:Oh no, so I haven't gotten to you guys yet. But before I get too excited about all these new videos we're going to do, let's do some questions.
Speaker 2:We have talked about so many videos that we are going to do.
Speaker 3:I have a list. I even made a list too.
Speaker 1:I have a list that's like 10 videos and that's the ones. I can remember that we talked about Cause. Even the other day I said Claire and I were talking and I was like, oh, that would be such a great video. And then I was like write that down so I don't forget. Also, we have to talk about the. I'm Mike. I'm going to announce it right here, I'll just see what you guys think. But I'm going to do a weekly video where I lick crackers and give them, uh, how many licks one to five licks, oh my god. And so I'm gonna do like ritz and but um, we're gonna do saltines well, yeah, I mean well, if you have you guys have some crackers.
Speaker 2:Hey, I should lick a crack of liquor is a crack of liquor. Yeah, they don't discriminate.
Speaker 1:Well, but we do, but we do want to help you knowing you.
Speaker 3:I know the person who can, who did the video that said that you were stephanie stephanie lufkin that's her last name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lufkin, I could not remember her. That was her maiden name, right?
Speaker 3:yes, and then that's her maiden name. Her mom was stella lufkin and, uh, so she was born in Scientology. She, you know, just like innocent and everything was a crime. Everything was a quote, unquote overt, which is, you know, a contra survival act.
Speaker 1:That's the way she was when she worked in CMO. Oh yeah, so she got busted out of CMO. She got busted out of the CMO. She's the type that would write a knowledge report.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, and she's the type that would write a knowledge report. Yes, yeah, she's the type that would write a knowledge report on anything and everything and um.
Speaker 2:I saw someone smoking a cigarette in a non-smoking area yes, like or uh, I overheard a conversation.
Speaker 1:Yes, that was going on and these people were were nattering, yeah, but she was one of these people that, like lisa, who is the uh, the commanding officer gold, and eric geisler, who I worked with, and myself, we would joke around and we were crass and we'd say silly, and she, it was like we could, it was like we were speaking another language. She had no idea what we were talking about no, no she didn't, she didn't know what her dick was like.
Speaker 1:What's that? What's a? Did you say a cock, what's a cock? And you're like like a chicken? And then she would be like a chicken really you don't, you don't say those words I know, but she was about it. It wasn't like she was naive, she just didn't have the knowledge, she just didn't know anything.
Speaker 4:Naive means Well, no, but I'm saying but she was the next level, the naive though like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was just like, that's what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying it was just nothing. I remember the experience that counts on any level.
Speaker 3:Yes, I remember that she said you know, I think, announced it or something like that. You know, when we were all announcing our crimes, quote, unquote, or whatever, you know that she peed in the shower and it was her big like. It took her forever to get it off.
Speaker 3:And we're like okay, take it easy there, paul, I had a little bit of life to learn here, there, paul knowing you, mark, knowing you, you would, if she wanted your crackers you would have, just, you know said yeah, go ahead and have them. And then, as you're walking out, I licked every one of them, just as a joke, right that's exactly what I was thinking when.
Speaker 1:When you were saying that she was like that, I thought, yeah, it was probably. I had probably just said yeah, go ahead, you can eat them all, eat, eat the rest. I licked all of them as just a funny thing to say You're walking out or something funny, you know, and then she thinks oh, that really happened, because he said that as a joke and you're just like oh, and you have licked them, four of them, it's like oh but you know they search, but you know they search.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they ask every person who? Has ever had anything To do with you, for anything that they can Possibly twist and concoct into some. Yeah, I mean, it's like my my brother saying I tried to choke him with bread when he was two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was five my mom said I tried to drown her when I was six years old right.
Speaker 3:Check out the statement. She was a serial sexual deviant who broke up marriages with her wanton adulterous affairs oh yeah, that, yeah, that's what I remember about Amy.
Speaker 1:I was like when did anything even ever happen with Amy?
Speaker 2:I would say that to Amy. The other day, buck, yeah, that exact same I said look, you know, in Scientology and the Sea Org there is this thing about 2D flows, yeah, and what that means is that it's like, you know, people who are trying to get noticed for their sexual, you know, sexuality, or looking attractive or attracting the opposite sex, whether it's a male or a female, and 2D flowing is something that gets brought up constantly, as this is a big over and people get blamed for it and this and that. And I said to Amy you know, amy, I don't, I sat next to you for years. Not once had I ever seen that, and you know there were plenty of other people around, like Jenny Linson was right there.
Speaker 1:She was the exact opposite.
Speaker 2:Yes, like she's fluttering, flashing her eyelashes.
Speaker 1:Even Angie Blankenship was a little like that too. Absolutely, she was like you could list the people we would all agree like there's Jenny, there's, and you know you could. And then some people like I will say for I don't know if this is how real, this is because I was in gold but Ricky Galbiati or Ricky Jensen. Oh yeah, no, no, she had, she had. She was stunningly beautiful. Yes.
Speaker 3:And so what's that? And she knew it.
Speaker 1:Well, but but she just it just was. She could have been the meanest person in the world, but she was beautiful and so she. I don't know and I don't know. Like I said, I wasn't an RTC, so I don't know what happened behind the scenes, but it wasn't, if you didn't get the idea that she was pouring it on, she was just that's how she just looked. So, but, but Dave, you know, of course Dave would just be like oh yeah, of course she's an rtc, she's an rtc rep. So you think, oh, because there's not a lot of really ugly people floating around in rtc that's a, not qualification yeah right, anyway, that's so ridiculous okay, mean gene we got to do questions oh yes
Speaker 1:she did, she really did no more um meta meta meta yeah, meta was, meta was okay, but she was no ricky, I'll tell you that right now. Or yesper yesper was a cute one as well. Um, that was the brother. That was the brother um okay, it's 6 30.
Speaker 2:We gotta get to some questions, yes scott elkins says, since cst is tasked.
Speaker 4:And do the cutoff on Super Chats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no more Super Chats if you guys are throwing Super Chats in there. Scott Elkins, since CST is tasked with the preservation of L Ron Hubbard's writings, does that include all of his pulp fiction writings, along with the books he wrote using a pen name? Yeah right, absolutely.
Speaker 4:ASI does that.
Speaker 2:No, they yeah right, Absolutely. Asi does that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They don't put those on. I mean, actually I say this without really knowing they didn't. Originally, the purpose of CST was to preserve the technology of dynamics and Scientology that they took a bunch of when they didn't have anything to do. Yeah, and put them under steel plates too would would not surprise me in the slightest. Well, particularly like battlefield earth and mission earth, which are considered by scientologists to be sort of, you know, fictionalized truth yeah, so also, dave is a big fan of busy work.
Speaker 1:If there's something you could be doing, he'll have you do it to keep you busy doing it right.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't have any forest chopped down with all the trees and out of the paper, whether that was by dave's design or not.
Speaker 1:But when people weren't doing stuff and he came around, you got to doing stuff. Wait what says oh, it's a super chat or a super sticker. Thank you, wait what, jen Nelson? Great to see you, amy.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:What would you do if DM called the aftermath asking for help to escape Scientology? Well, that would be ridiculous and we probably have gotten that call from somebody, but he wouldn't need our help. He could navigate his way in the real world just fine.
Speaker 2:He could also navigate his way out of Scientology, because until he was out, he's still the boss. Yeah, yeah, nobody's going to stop him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even when we were still there, shelly thought at certain times that he was going to fly the coop.
Speaker 4:She did, she told me directly.
Speaker 1:Yep Kakatogi Road says I'm ecstatic to see Amy as part of SPTV. This has probably been answered already, but, amy, when? What was the first thing that made you doubt Scientology?
Speaker 3:Hmm, when I was, I did an ethics handling. You know how they drag you in and make you find, figure out. You know your why, your ethics, why like, why are you so criminal? And and I finally realized what I was doing was rationalizing insanities. My mind was automatically rationalizing insanities. I could see Dave beat somebody and then think he's got a lot on his plate. That person probably deserved it. You know all these things that were just rationalizing just absolute human rights abuses and everything like that going on. And when I realized that was my why, of course I was told that wasn't a correct why, but it was for me and I started seeing things for the way they were. And then my mind started going how do I get out of here? How do I get out of here? And so I finally got myself sent to the rehabilitation project force because I was became completely defiant and and I escaped from there.
Speaker 1:Nice, good answer. Yes, okay, here's a fun one C and M cats names. Please, amy, dog's name, plus Mike D or C. Okay, my cat's names are Oreo. That's my cat, he's the cool cat.
Speaker 4:He's the one right here.
Speaker 1:That's Oreo, yeah, and then Jazzy, which is short for Jasmine. That's Claire's cat and she's a nightmare.
Speaker 4:And Oreo beats up on her all the time Nightmare. No, they're both my cats and dogs and I love them dearly. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1:And we have a dog named Bella, which is Claire's dog, and we have a dog named Max, which is my dog. Except for when he's bad, then he's Claire's dog. Okay, what do you got, amy?
Speaker 3:My dog is named Mango and you can see him behind me, and I shouldn't probably say his name too loud, but he's trying to sleep, yeah he didn't wake up, and then.
Speaker 2:Mike has. Mike has a dog.
Speaker 1:Her name is Emmy and her name was Emmy before he had an Emmy.
Speaker 2:In fact, we got her a month before we won the Emmy Nice. That was her name. She was a rescue and that was already her name. It was very auspicious. There you go.
Speaker 1:Nice. Okay, that was a good question. Lots of fun. Thank you, renata. Yes, mike should have spent Xmas and New Year's in Cairns, australia. Cairns, cairns, cairns, cans, cans, australia. The humidity would have killed his cough Dead. Every time I see BFG, I automatically think about Roald Dahl. Yes, we went to a big exhibit over there and saw all these glass jars all over London. With the humidity, I don't think the humidity is your problem because you live in a humid place.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've got plenty of humidity in Florida, right, right, okay, well, I hope this cough goes away Just to comment about this cough.
Speaker 2:I've had this cough for a long time now. I have been to the doctor three times. I was diagnosed with both bronchitis and pneumonia and I have taken medications for weeks on end. I believe probably the pneumonia is gone. I'm supposed to go back for another x-ray. The cough persists. It just nothing seems to kill it. I don't know what it is that is causing it exactly, but it's not unlivable. It's not like. I'm lying in bed.
Speaker 1:This is a Sea Org member talking. I'm just thinking. We went on a cruise. Mike went on a cruise with us for a week. We were laughing, joking, talking full time for a week. And then he's been doing videos full time and this whole time we find out oh, he's just got pneumonia. And what was the other thing? Bronchitis. Oh, that's all. Yeah, sorry guys. Oh, that's all. Yeah, sorry guys. I've been coughing.
Speaker 4:yeah, it's fine, mike feel better, mike, we're rooting for you, okay, goodness thanks yes, oh, here's another amy one.
Speaker 1:Hi all amy. Who's the little cutie behind you? Oh claire, get done with that. Danny un. Oh uh, on consensual 2D trial. We want to hear, but not before. It's okay, mike, what length is your beard trimmer? Mark, I'm not a spy, really. I know Denver. Steve-o lives down the street from us.
Speaker 4:He really does.
Speaker 1:And I have not made any attempt to contact him. I have not looked him up.
Speaker 1:I'm like we'll see how this ends up, debra Stevo. Anyway, there was a guy who lived right down the street from them that I thought was a spy for I think about a year, and he wasn't. I just thought he was, mark. I'm not a spy really. Thank you, debra Stevo. Faith Dravenstadt. Hey, y'all Glad to say I finished Mike's book. Now on to everyone else's. Have any of you listened to last podcast on the left's series on DM and LRH?
Speaker 2:Oh no, yeah, you have. I haven't listened to it, but people sent it to me and said you should listen to this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I would love to check that out.
Speaker 4:I listen to all kinds of podcasts. I'll put that on my list.
Speaker 1:Perfect.
Speaker 4:And just to sneak something in, thanks to the almost 2,000 people here. Don't forget to like and subscribe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did a stream last week and we hit 27K in the stream. Marilyn Honig, love you all. Thanks for all you do. I'm drafting letters to my reps in congress re-co church of scientology tax status hope everyone will flood them. There's as well. Fyi, google says snail mail is more effective than more effective than email I believe that I would believe that too, because once it's in the computer, the computers deal with it.
Speaker 1:no real person probably ever sees any of that. Yep, thank you, marilyn. We have some surprises. We have some Marilyn wannabes knitting Zinu outfits. Not big Zinus, baby boss Zinus. Oh, my goodness, william Tubb, thanks William William's in here a lot. Hey guys, thought that was AA Ron in the lower right until I noticed he had hair.
Speaker 4:Did you go shopping?
Speaker 1:with Aaron while on the cruise Mike.
Speaker 2:It's a black shirt. It's a black shirt. I missed the first time I've won a black shirt on a video and I got all these comments about oh my God, you look like Aaron.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Ok, let's power through these questions here. Amy and Mike had made statements on Mike's show using Scientology jargon that others wouldn't understand. You should do a Jeopardy style show for non-SPs, Mike. Oh, it's a jargon for 200.
Speaker 4:You know what's so funny though it's.
Speaker 1:I have I've mixed thoughts on this because somebody said in my comments in one of my videos I love that you do stop every once in a while and explain the terms when the other guys blow by them. And then I saw in a comment today that says seriously, you don't have to say Church of Scientology, we know it's COS. Or somebody says, why do you say calm cycle means conversation, we know what calm cycle is by now. Well, the thing you got to realize, guys, is if I don't mention it, then people literally will not know, but if I do mention it, you're a little annoyed that I mentioned it. So I'm going to err on the side of double backing and explaining it.
Speaker 2:And the idea is to get more people coming who are not familiar with this, so that we expand the world of people who understand what's really going on and the abuses in scientology.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and I'd also say the language tends to isolate members from non-members. So it also helps us, when you're patient with us, to train us to not speak that language, because we tend to default to it when we talk to each other.
Speaker 1:But the other thing is that if you were a Scientologist and you were thinking about leaving but you didn't know who we were, you would believe us based on the way we speak using the lingo, and the way I explain the lingo demonstrates that I understand the translation of it. So it's sort of this dual purpose for me doing that.
Speaker 4:Yes, oh hey, let me throw out something else here too. Apostate Alex is in the house and he just donated to gift a bobblehead to somebody, which one of his viewers did to him last week. So, amy, I'm nominating you to pick tonight's lucky winner. So you just let me know you just pick somebody in the comments and then we'll have them email me for
Speaker 2:a bobblehead.
Speaker 1:So they'll say if they want a bobblehead, there you go. Thanks, alex.
Speaker 4:Yeah, whenever you're ready.
Speaker 1:You can stay focused yes, john sastowski says what exactly is the delphi school and what do they teach there? It's just a like a elementary through high school. It's actually preschool all the way to the end of high school. So it's all grades from top to bottom. I think that's the way to the end of high school. So it's all grades from top to bottom. I think that's the way it is in Delphi, LA, and that's the way it is in Oregon as well, because it's a boarding school. So yeah, it's. I don't know what you call that, if you go from, if you do the whole thing, but A school, Just a school. It's a boarding school in Delphi, Sheridan, Oregon, Delphi, Sheridan Oregon, Delphi, Oregon and then in Los Angeles. They have one I don't know where it is these days in Los Angeles, and they have other offshoots or licensees of it in Florida and other places.
Speaker 2:But it's a school that uses L Ron Hubbard's study technology as the basis for its curriculum.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yes, and many of the staff members are Scientologists, and the teachers If not, yeah, 95%.
Speaker 1:And also it is the prime recruiting pool for new Sea Org members. So if you are the daughter of a son of a Scientologist that's semi-wealthy, then they can afford to send you to Delphi and then you can become a kind of prepackaged Sea Org member because all of the things that they teach you at Delphi when I joined the Sea Org you have to do a thing called the Estates Project Forces, like Sea Org Bootcamp, and I had already done 90% of that bootcamp working at Delphi and going to Delphi as a school. So when you join the Sea Org as a Delphi student you're pretty much up to speed on all the Scientology nonsense that you need to know about in the Sea Org.
Speaker 3:Can I tell you who I nominated? Yes please, rocky.
Speaker 4:Road.
Speaker 3:Rocky Road.
Speaker 4:Okay, awesome, I will message Rocky Road.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Thank you, amy, or Rocky Road, you can message us if you want to get this quicker.
Speaker 4:Yep, I've got it. And also thank you again, apostate Alex, that was very kind of you. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1:Nice Lady, bebe. Question for all of you Do you think that everything happens for a reason? I do, yes, I do. What about you, amy? For a reason, I do, yes, I do. What about you, amy?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm shaking my head. I absolutely do, awesome.
Speaker 1:Ken N Mark, does the Seward teach penmanship? I received your signed book today. Claire's signature is perfect. Yours is illegible. You know what's so funny that you say that, ken? I was signing books. We had to go for this trip for two or three days and I was signing books. We had to go for this trip for two or three days and I was signing, and Claire can attest to this. I was signing books on the kitchen table, as I always do before we leave on a trip, so we have a stock of them. And um, and I started laughing and I just started busting into laughter and Claire's like what's happening? Go? I just looked at my signature. It is literally a giant scribble. At this point, there's not a letter in it, not a single letter Anyway, which I think is that it has been my signature for a while, right, claire?
Speaker 1:Yes and I don't say any more than that.
Speaker 4:Went to primary school in England, where I learned italic handwriting with a fountain pen. At least until the age of 10, I had a proper English education.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, that's a great one, ken. Thank you, yes, no, I'm not debating that at all. I'm struggling with an eye injury so I'm having trouble following the chat, but wanted to show my support to Goldie and the gang that always shows up to support SPTV. Thanks to an amazing community. Yes, thank you, destiny. Yeah, goldie just got married and I want to say that she was moderating an Aaron video like within days and I thought um, what is?
Speaker 2:going on alterating hours and said I'm getting married in a few hours I know, I just I just got married two hours ago I know it's like goldie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, goldie, you do not have to do this goldie is amazing and I agree with Destiny.
Speaker 4:The community that is building here is incredible.
Speaker 1:Cassandra Reiners. How come you guys aren't doing it with an AA Ron? Aa Ron done, messed up and went on a trip somewhere. I think he's at a wedding, I don't know where he's at podcast. No.
Speaker 4:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I say wedding when I don't know, so that if we weren't know I say wedding when I don't know so that if they, we weren't supposed to say anything, we didn't he didn't he didn't submit his completed staff work to hr for yes ptv, so this is an unauthorized departure, but he did get a replacement.
Speaker 3:So yeah, there you go no, he didn't.
Speaker 2:I got him a replacement.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, mike is the one who set all this up. Apostate alex, this, this is the message that he did. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Apostate. Alex, that's very generous of you.
Speaker 1:Mike Rinder. This is going to be the last one, guys, and we'll jump over. I'll try to. Sorry Jeff, Sorry Jessica, Ruth, Patricia, Fungal infection.
Speaker 2:Sounds like the last of us.
Speaker 3:Pick another one.
Speaker 1:Fungal infection Sounds like the last of us, mike, we're going to have them check your fungal infection.
Speaker 2:I'm going to have like a mushroom head.
Speaker 1:That's a perfect one. That's a perfect one. We're going to wrap it up on the fungal infection and we're going to head on over to Mike's channel.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm bailing, I'm going over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you bail and we'll get there in just a second. Yes, Thank you for joining us, Amy. I'm going to put a link to Amy's book in in the description below.
Speaker 4:But thank you for joining us, amy, and we'll see you over.
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