Hey guys, welcome to the channel. We've got Claire here tonight. Let's get her in here.
Speaker 2:There she is, everybody say hello to Claire, good evening.
Speaker 1:Everybody say hello to Claire. Good evening, welcome. Welcome to another edition of Scientology Live, whether you're joining on a podcast or you're joining on YouTube, but let's see who we've got in here tonight. We've got, oh wow, we've already got a ton of comments. We've already up to 500 comments. We're only two minutes in ton of comments. We've already up to 500 comments. We're only two minutes in. Um, I suspect a few of those may have been pre, uh, pre, going live here, but we've got people from tacoma, uh, we've got somebody from wow, from tasmania.
Speaker 2:I just marked a comment that's going to kind of surprise you.
Speaker 1:That's going to surprise me.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:A lot, you think, evening from Indiana, south Dakota, wollongong, australia, germany. There are a ton of international cracker liquors in here, south Carolina. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Long. Beach, toronto, oh there's somebody here from Isle of man, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Wow, that is amazing. You have got to be kidding me. Is this who? I think it is.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:What are the chances?
Speaker 2:I know that's why I was like wait what?
Speaker 1:I wonder if they knew who we were.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm mystified.
Speaker 1:That's super weird. Okay, we did meet some people at the Depeche Mode concert we went to in San Antonio.
Speaker 1:Very cool people A few days ago, we met a ton of awesome folks, but we were sitting next to some folks that were just amazing and that is hmm, I'm very suspicious of that. Shannon, you need to send a picture, and if it is actually you, then that's going to be super spooky. But thank you, shannon, for coming to showing up for a live here, and we also have. This is a great one. Cob, hello, from Hemet, california. It's C-O-B-I-L-F. I don't know what that means, but that's fun. Yeah, so what we're going to do tonight, guys, is we're going to do a. We'll do the Q&A, we'll just go into questions right off the bat. I don't think there's anything we need to cover that's going on right off the bat. I don't think there's anything we need to cover that's going on. We had a live last night with Mike Rinder and Amy Scobie joined us and that was a ton of fun. And it sounds like Amy's going to be doing some other videos with Mike, which is amazing, and we might have her on here as well if she's up for it. And yeah, we'll do the Mike Rinder bobblehead picks and the David Miscavige boss baby shoops. We'll do those at the end of the video, right before we're done for the night.
Speaker 1:And I do want to say I know we did this last time. We did a live probably a week ago now, or was it last Tuesday, I think it was last Tuesday we came in and we had like 26,500. I think it was about 500. Maybe it was 400 and something subscribers, maybe it was 400 and something subscribers. And we said, hey, what would it do if? What do we think we could do if we could get another 500 subscribers while we're in the live? And we pulled it off. We got 27,000 subscribers. Well, I'm not interested in doing another marathon live, but we do have 27,500 subscribers. So I'm just saying, if you haven't subscribed, hit the subscribe button, and that helps out the algorithm and puts this video up on people's YouTube pages and makes it so we can get the word out about Scientology and what's going on with that.
Speaker 2:And yeah, we're already up to 700 people here with us now, so that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. I can't. I I'm sometimes I'm very surprised how 700 people managed to show up to this thing. Um, you know, within a few minutes of us starting and it's awesome, but, um, yeah, so thanks for that, guys. Um, I'll put up some of these. I'm going to whatever questions Claire starred. I'll tell you guys when we're going to kill the. Probably what we should do is, well, we'll just play it by ear, but I'll let you guys know when we're going to end off on the super chats or the questions coming in. So you guys don't put up super chats that don't get answered. I do really try to answer all of them. Sometimes I miss a few here and there. Hi from Rhode Island. Thanks, megan, appreciate it. Um, corey from Ottawa Valley, ontario, canada. Um, oh, claire's starring comments and putting them up at the same time. I love it when she does that, sorry not in my best form tonight.
Speaker 1:Anita Thompson. Hello from humid Houston. Yeah, you know, I don't think it was that humid in San Antonio. Did you really notice the humidity that much there?
Speaker 2:No, but mind you, we came from it being freezing here, so it was an amazing change of temperature.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Evening from Indiana Blue G6 demon. This is from Elsie. It says I don't understand how people justify bull baiting. I'm not sure what that is in relation to, if that's something else in the comments or she just doesn't.
Speaker 2:No, I think that's an honest question. Oh, you mean in Scientology?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, well, because because of the abusive aspect of um well, I mean I understand the concept of it. Um, I don't know how they justify anything in scientology. There's all sorts of nonsense going in Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's much worse than bull baiting, and just so people. Some people might know the lingo here, but in Scientology, when you're a new Scientologist and you, how do you say this? When you're doing your training on how to become a counselor, how do you say this? When you're doing your training on how to become a counselor, one of the things that you do is TRs and TRs stand for training routines and you stare at somebody for two hours without blinking and you have to just sit in front of them with your eyes closed. That's for two hours too right.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So you do eyes closed for two hours, that's first. Then you do eyes open for two hours, that's first. Then you do eyes open for two hours, yeah, and then you, you do a thing where you ask a question and then they have to answer, and until they answer your question you just keep asking it over and over. So we'll play.
Speaker 2:You skipped over the bull bait.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, let's play right now. I was trying to kind of make them understand. So if I say do you and you ask two questions, you only ask two questions. You can only ask two questions. And the questions are do birds fly? That's one question, and the second question is do fish swim? Those are the only questions.
Speaker 2:when you're doing this drill, you can't flip-flop between the two because you're repeating the same question over and, over and over again.
Speaker 1:But once you get an answer, you can switch to the other question.
Speaker 2:No, you can't.
Speaker 1:You can't. No, you only say fish the whole two hours, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember that part. You have to pick a flavor birds or fish.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's practice. We'll practice right now, guys.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you be the auditor.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I'll be the, and so you pretend you each take a role. Claire is going to be the counselor and I'm going to be the person being audited and I'm the one who gets to bull bait, which is kind of try to trip her up, and she can't react to me doing any of that. And if she reacts, you'll react, cause I'm like I'm sort of like a top level.
Speaker 2:You have to clarify that in this we're just practicing, so you are actually my coach. So when I mess up you have to say flunk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the, that's the, and this is all written by L Ron Hubbard exactly in detailed descriptions, how to do all this. But anyone who's been in Scientology any amount of time, this is one of the very first things you do, no matter who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I could say I don't know, I think I've done in excess of 300 hours of this that we're about to demonstrate.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've done more than that I did. There's a course you do and it's called professional TRS the professional TRS course and you can do that course at any organization in the world. Any like what's called a class five organization can deliver that course. But if you want to be a rock star and if you do that course at Flag in Clearwater, then that's the best place you could possibly do it. If you say I did pro TRs at Flag, well then you're rock solid. No one can doubt your ability to do training routines.
Speaker 2:I have next level over that.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:Mine was passed by David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know, but that's a Sea Org only kind of thing. Most public Scientologists are not going to get that. I did the pro TRs when I was a kid and I did it at flag, so I consider myself not only have to have amazing TRs, but I have amazing bull bait skills. So bull baiting is just trying to trip up the auditor in effort to train the auditor not to get tripped up. Okay, so we'll do it. You ready, so this is so, we'll do it, you ready. So this is actually how you do it. You sit in a chair across from the person and if I'm the coach and the one doing the bull betting, I would tell her okay, do you say TR, zero bull bait, what is it?
Speaker 2:Well, you just said we're doing TR four.
Speaker 1:Is that TR four bull bait? What do you call it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's TR4.
Speaker 1:TR4, but don't you say bull bait, tr4, bull bait, or you just say start TR4?. Yeah, okay, start a TR4.
Speaker 2:Do birds fly? Do birds fly?
Speaker 1:Hey, ginger fat, gingers ginger sweetness ginger.
Speaker 2:I repeat the auditing question Do birds fly?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Do birds fly? Well, how many birds are we talking about? Are we talking about like a whole flock of birds, or like ducks or like? Are we talking about chickens? Because I'm not sure chickens do that much, but I'm not sure. Is it a penguin? Is a penguin a bird?
Speaker 2:I'll repeat the auditing question Do birds fly?
Speaker 1:Not in my house, they don't.
Speaker 2:Okay, do birds fly?
Speaker 1:Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2:And I would say nice, try honey, hey, if you want to be technical.
Speaker 1:You were doing a little bit of moving around and you were smiling a little bit. So, okay, if we were being, if we were, if, somebody was watching for purpose of demonstration. Yeah, that's how it is anyway. The the bull baiting, though, that's just light, that's light, light, light bull baiting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to answer Elsie's question here, because we're spending a lot of time on this bull baiting is I would just be sitting looking at you and you would be making every effort to try and make me react flinch, laugh, cry, you name it. I've done all of those things while I'm being bulleted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can actually and this is pretty popular is to smack your hands together right in front of the other person's face or just scream at them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the other thing is to be really inappropriate to emails.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, If you say like when I was 10, I had somebody unbuttoning my shirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can touch the person too. As the coach and I could, we're also, we're kind of stacking the deck because we're a couple. Right, this person could just be totally random, like you could get paired up with anyone. When you do this, you could get paired up with somebody who you've never met before, and that's encouraged because that person can say be saying super inappropriate things about you, and then you wouldn't have to and you wouldn't know them and you would be like what, and you might react to somebody but that and that? We did five minutes. You could do this. Well, you have to do it until that person doesn't react to anything like nothing, and you could go, for you could easily do this for two and a half hours every single night for several weeks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And not pass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because when you're doing it with just your eyes open or your eyes closed, if you move, you scratch, you blink, you yawn all of those are flunks and then you have to start over again, until you can do two hours without any reaction, non-stop.
Speaker 1:Like they set a timer when you start.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I've got to put this up, paired up with Mr mcHansi. Yeah, and there's some people I like, some of these can emu and ostraces, mate. Yeah, there, and there's also. Yeah, it's just, it's, it's. It's basically, it's. This is I'm trying to think of it, it, this is all part of the programming, so that you do not react when somebody says, oh, scientology, those are the guys that believe in the space aliens. You just be like no, we don't believe in space aliens. Um, and most of them don't know that they believe in space aliens because they haven't gotten to that point.
Speaker 2:But and even if you did, you would never let on, because, yeah, that would be, you just can't yeah, there were people that asked me tons of times about the space aliens and I always laughed.
Speaker 1:I was like what space aliens? No, we don't believe in space aliens, are you crazy? And then as soon as I got out watch South Park and then ask Claire, she's like yeah, we actually. Uh, they did believe in space.
Speaker 2:You're like what the heck?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, here's a good one, destiny. Thank you, Destiny. She said this is the definition of grooming, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1:They're grooming you to be able to not react, um, and also, uh, well, when people are doing the auditing, when you're doing auditing on people, sometimes they're going to say insane things in the counseling session and also they could be mad at you because they want to end like the person you're counseling could be like I'm done, I don't want to do this, and you have to just say I'll repeat the auditing command and you have to just keep doing the thing.
Speaker 1:When you're a counselor, you can't get into a conversation with the person. No, ask them a question. They answer the question, you see what reads on the e-meter and then you ask them the next question. And there could be hundreds of questions, um, that get asked in one count counseling session, and very, very little of that is any kind of, is any kind of two-way back and forth between the like if you, if the person says, um, if I, if I, if claire asks me, if the person says, if Claire asks me, the auditing command, and I say you know, I really want to wrap this up because I've got an appointment, and da-da-da-da, she's just going to say thank you, I'll ask you the question again and you're just like what?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and comments are supposed to be completely disregarded. So if you're just saying, oh, I saw something outside of a process which obviously da birds fly and da fish swim is specifically and intentionally chosen to be quote unquote, like not related to anything important or significant, it's just to practice the process of repeating a question over and over to get an answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, good, thank you, was it Elsie? I think was the one who asked that question. Thank you, elsie. Good late evening from here in Germany. Thank you, mok.
Speaker 2:Nice Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1:Moktmerdol. I can't, it's too many. It's too much, mock. Thank you, mock. I don't know what that is. Mock me, dr Gal. Christy says hi from Wollongong I'll, australia. Enjoy the show from work. Thank you, christy. Ok, here's another super chat.
Speaker 1:Did COB have any redeemable qualities as a person or was he just awful across the board, pun intended. He have any redeemable qualities as a person or was he just awful across the board, pun intended? Um, I mean, he was pretty correct, uh, charismatic, um, he was sort of evil. I want to say, on a kind of a, I was doing an interview today with a, uh, with a reporter from a reputable newspaper I'll say Semi-reputable, I guess. I generally consider it to be reputable and he was asking like, what was your first impression of David Miscavige? And the thing we got to was when I got to the property in 1990, I arrived there just a little after my birthday in May of 1990. And in August of 1990, there was a flood at the international headquarters at the base. There was a massive flood, and this occurred on August 2nd. Was it August? No, august 10th.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, jackson and I talked about that extensively that day.
Speaker 1:August 10th and David Miscavige, when you're in the Sea Org and you're in Scientology, they have this thing called lowered conditions and it goes. The lowest is confusion, and then it's doubt. Is it doubt or treason?
Speaker 2:Confusion treason, enemy doubt, liability, non-existence, danger emergency.
Speaker 1:Okay, but the lowest one is confusion. And in order to get out of one condition you have to do a whole bunch of steps and even in one of them you have to petition to the entire group to get out of that condition into the next condition. But because there was a flood at the international headquarters, david Miscavige assigned all of the people in Golden Era Productions a condition of confusion. And because there was a flood, because water fell out of the sky, we were in confusion, and that was on Augustust 10th 1990, and the penalties, uh, that were instated, like it was sort of a state. So if you were late for a muster, like a meeting, which there were three or four a day at that time, um, usually after each meal and one at the end of the night um, if you were late for any one of those crew musters, then you would have to do an all-night amends project, which just basically meant you didn't get to go to sleep and you had to work, not doing your job, doing something that benefited the group or somebody else. You had to do that all night long and then just go to post in the morning like normal. And if you were late a second time, then you would be assigned to the rehabilitation project force and that state and those penalties were in force until Thanksgiving of oh. And then, in addition to that, we had 15 minute meal breaks. There was no bonuses. There was no bonuses, there was no liberties, there were no like any perks that you had. Those went out the door. And I also remember not getting paid for pretty much that whole year, my social security statement. I think it was for 1990. There was two or three years where it was a zero on my social security statement that I got from the government and either way, that was in effect until Thanksgiving of 1990.
Speaker 1:But I'll tell you, he lightened, david Miscavige did lighten up. For Thanksgiving we were allowed to have a 45 minute meal break, so with gravy, I think we might even got some cranberry sauce. But yeah, he, he, that was my like. That was a few months in, like, welcome to David Miscavigeville. He, he, he could really, and the and that whole thing, the condition of confusion, assignment, that whole thing. It was all written by David Miscavige basically calling out everybody on the property as being complete scumbags. So yeah, I don't think. I'm trying to think if he has any other redeeming qualities. I can't think of any. How about that?
Speaker 2:No, I tend to just the memories that stick out. None of them are positive.
Speaker 1:So yes, John Claire, you said yesterday I should talk to my Sea Org sister in person. I'm going to see her soon. How do you suggest I approach it If? Would she get in trouble if I talk to her about it and she reports it?
Speaker 2:Yes, Talk to her about it and she reports it. Yes, my suggestion would be to talk with her. Try to just try to connect with her personally. Like how is she doing? What's her goals? You know, I don't know how old this person is, but like just asking questions like Do you ever do you have plans to have children? Or you know what are your retirement plans? Or we should go on a vacation together. Definitely nothing of like.
Speaker 2:Let try to get the person to open up and tell you how they're really doing, because the fake, like it's called. Good roads, fair weather oh yep, the roads are great, the weather is great, life is wonderful. You know that's. You have to get under the surface to ask deeper questions and understand, like so what's your boss like, what's your schedule? You know what do you do on a daily basis, how do you like what you do? Things like that would, I think, at least tend to get a person to start talking without you, don't? You don't want to shut, shut down any communication you've, but in-person communication is the best start, but you just have to be very, very gentle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Definitely do not. Don't mention us no.
Speaker 2:Hey, you want to watch some sp tv with me?
Speaker 1:no, don't, don't do that the best part is to like what, exactly what claire said. The only thing that I would add is I would say if you ever need anything or you ever want to go on a vacation or you ever want to stay with us, I would. I would say you're welcome anytime. Yeah, you always have a place here. Yeah, I would just make sure that she knows, if she does leave and and decides that she doesn't want to be there anymore, that there is a place for her to go and that she knows your email or your phone number, or you know, you know, get her to commit it to memory, or you know, whatever you can do, but that she could always get ahold of you If she needs to.
Speaker 1:that's what I would say Thanks, john, hopefully that works out Good luck. Claire, it was nice hearing about the way you connected with Jenna Miscavige Hill while she was in. I just finished listening to her book. Oh wow, Does she say that in her book?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she does. That was a crazy story? Yeah, because I flew back with her to LA from Clearwater Do you remember?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, I remember that when you came back, she came back as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah and we really connected. She, she's, she's an amazing person and I had a really tough upbringing and she was always um rebelling correctly.
Speaker 1:So she was not gonna get molded by them. No matter what they did, she would have none of it.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that she mentioned you in her book. Yes, she did. She talked about the whole thing because we became very close, because nobody else could have a conversation, nobody else would not bullshit her is the bottom line, and yeah.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, in one of the spy files there's a whole. They have the Jenna and her husband Dallas. They have a whole spy file.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and, and the reason and that's also the fact that Jenna and I were so close is also the reason why, when Jenna was getting out, they said you can talk to anybody, but you can't talk to Mark and Claire.
Speaker 1:They literally said she could talk to other SPs but not Mark or Claire, and that is in her spy file. I saw. I didn't. I find that she told. And that is in her spy file. I saw, I didn't. I find she told us that. They told her that but I never saw it from the church's end. And when I was going through one of the spy files I actually found the document where it said what they told her. And they told her exactly what she told us. They told her.
Speaker 2:And I love that. The first thing she did is say hey guys, you want to meet up for dinner? Remember, we drove down to San Diego.
Speaker 1:I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Anyway it was awesome. Jenna is an amazing person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I also remember that when we went down there I don't remember if it was that we went down there a few times, I think, but we went down there one time, down there a few times, I think, but we went down there one time and when we got there they said hey, um, we can meet up with you, but you can't come to our house because our family are really worried that they're going to get declared if they know that you went to our house yeah and I was like wow, like we are so scary yeah, the funniest thing, jenna jenna's family um had escaped from the base, her, her mom and dad.
Speaker 1:And then dallas's family. They weren't in the sea org. They weren't just scientologists, so, um, they were the ones that were worried about us going there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What were you going to say?
Speaker 2:Oh, I was just going to say the story that I always heard. That struck me about Jenna's state of mind and I actually never got to ask her about this. But when she was about seven she was getting some counseling and so at the end of the counseling session you go to the examiner who you pick up the e-meter, you hold the cans and normally they'll look at your needle, the activity on the e-meter, and they'll say thank you, your needle is floating. So Jenna went for an exam and, like I said I think she was seven, maybe even six she picks up the cans. The examiner says to jenna thank you, your needle is floating. And jenna says no, it's not.
Speaker 1:You fucking bitch that was when she was seven. Okay, we should ask her. She probably says yeah, that happened a few times I was like, wow, she is.
Speaker 2:She is not's not not on this same boat Like we are the rest of us Stupid people are destiny, again Destiny, thanks, it says.
Speaker 1:Mark, it seemed like you tried to bring as much levity as possible to your daily life in church of Scientology. Do you think that helped you more to navigate the internal politics or not? Oh yeah, absolutely, because everybody there thank you, destiny, everybody there is so serious about everything.
Speaker 2:Including me, remember. Oh yeah, Claire was like that too, Like oh, this happened.
Speaker 1:That means this is gonna happen and I'm gonna get in trouble. I'd be like who gives a shit Tell them to fuck off and be like, but no, it's a, it's a comma of offense, which is like a justice action you get. And uh, I would just say, uh, yeah, who cares? Like people have better things to do, like we've. We have stuff to do like quit, getting all worried about this is going to happen and I'm going to get in trouble. And that is just like if you get in trouble, you get in trouble. Whatever you're going to get in trouble, that's inevitable. Just just don't, don't get worked up about it, just do your thing. And if you get in trouble, you get in trouble and then you just have to get out of trouble. It's kind of like in Scientology they attach significances to everything. So if you do this, then that means this and then this will happen. It's just oh so exhausting Anyway, yeah, so I would joke around a lot and I would try to make fun, to lighten the mood and also to get people to get work done, because that was mainly my job for most of the time.
Speaker 1:There was to make things. So we had to make cassettes or we had to make DVDs or laser discs or VHS or whatever it was. For a majority of the 15 years it was my job to do those things, and if people are all emotional and worried about this and worried about that, you usually don't get a lot of work done. So I try to keep them like upbeat. Get some Depeche Mode playing, get rocked, rock it out. Let's get some work done. Don't worry about all the nonsense that's out there. We're in here doing this, but it was a giant waste of time anyway, so I might as well have fun doing it.
Speaker 1:John Satowski For the SP shop, how about toilet paper with pictures of DM on it? I don't know if that. That seems like it would be very expensive. It might be fun as a novelty gift. I will have to look into that, john. I don't have high hopes, but I will look into it for sure. I know there's places where you could do all kinds of nonsense like that, but I'm not sure that that's going to be a big seller. That that's going to be a big seller. We're trying to think of things. We're trying to come up with things that people want to buy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody was suggesting the other day Zinu candies. I was like, hmm, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's also another one. I love me some candy. I'm not supposed to eat it, but I do love candy. Thanks for that, john. Okay, hi guys. Love all the SPTV Also. You guys laugh, we do laugh. I think laughing and comedy is a healing thing. I think a lot of times when you're having an argument or you're having a I don't know disagreement or maybe you don't see eye to eye on things, I think if you can make the other person laugh and you can laugh at the same time, that is a good way to sort of get over the nonsense of the upset or the disagreement. And I will tell you one of the best examples of this I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:I knew this was coming. I could read your bubble from a mile away.
Speaker 1:One time I don't remember what had happened- I do. Oh, you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, you'd say what happened and then I'll tell the story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, mark, you had been in trouble, which was not uncommon, but you had actually been not even allowed to come home for about four months, and this was when I was in Religious Technology Center and it was another of the times that I was being heavily, heavily pressured to divorce you, which I hadn't done, but I was really pissed. And, um, which I hadn't done, but I was really pissed, um, and I was just kind of fed up, honestly, with the fact that, like you weren't even allowed to come home, I couldn't see you. I was frustrated. To be fair, you weren't really the target of my frustration, but you were who I could take my frustration out on. And since I hadn't seen you, I kind of had this like nasty, cold shoulder attitude going on. I admit that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so we, we had been working, so Saturday we would do, we would the whole property, we would do outdoor renovations and manual labor. We came home. It's the first time I'd seen you, like I said, we came home. It's the first time I'd seen you, like I said, maybe even more than four months, maybe five or six months, and I was in a frigging mindset that you were, it was all your fault and you were the reason and I was being a witch.
Speaker 1:Okay so now let me tell the story I took a shower, so I got in the shower. Yeah, let me tell the story now. Okay. So I was home. She got home right after I did whatever and I was like, hey, how's it going? Like it's been forever, I hadn't seen her in months and she just didn't say anything. Like she didn't say a word. She just got in the shower and was like cleaning up from doing all the the construction work all day.
Speaker 2:I have nothing to say to you. Yeah, so that's what it was anyway.
Speaker 1:So I was like, well, I guess I'm not gonna get to take a shower right now, because that's that. But um, so then I went and I had it. We had a cd player in our room and I put a cd on, I queued it up, I went to the right song and then I left the song play a little, I skipped and I queued it right up and then it was a Madonna CD.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 1:Claire's CD and uh, and so she walks out of the shower and I went play and it goes. Love, don't live here anymore.
Speaker 2:And I started laughing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was like there we go, there we go. That's what I'm talking about, anyway, but that is that's like a Tuesday for me. You know I'll do that. I'll work something up If I got. If I got little to work with, you know I got to make the most of it, so but yeah, so that's a good example of how I would try to lighten it up.
Speaker 2:Of everybody. I think you had a unique skill to bring humor to something that was otherwise very dark and depressing. And you know, if you can't laugh about it, then what are we going to do? Sit in the corner and cry. That's not entertaining, yeah.
Speaker 1:And that was it. It wasn't just with Claire, I would do that anywhere and everywhere. And that's sort of what I was known for was like oh, here comes, mark, you know, like what's going on? Like, oh, did you hear about you know? Blah, blah, blah. And anyway, calico 26 says would you be willing to do an episode on the reports that Claire wrote on you and read the letter that she wrote you and gave you her rings back Would be interesting, her mind space back then. Oh my God, if you the little, the little sentence that she, just the little preamble that she set that last story up with, oh, this letter blows that away. This letter.
Speaker 2:I have the letter. I'm embarrassed by it. I wish we didn't have that letter. It's just awful.
Speaker 1:I kept it.
Speaker 2:It's absolutely horrifying.
Speaker 1:We don't have the reports that she wrote on me, but essentially we know what that was in them. But there's, it is what it is and now we look back on it. But I wouldn't want to, um, I wouldn't want to throw claire under the bus. We've already talked about it and why she did what she did and she was being pressured by her bosses and all that stuff. So anyway, so we won't get into that. I'm sure Claire doesn't want us to do that. Semper949,. Thank you for the super chat, Marilyn. Hello question for Claire. Mark wrote in BFG Blown for Good that your sister let you use her email to escape. Did she get in trouble? I hope you are reunited someday.
Speaker 2:Thank you, marilyn. And yes, my sister yeah, I kind of feel bad about that because I had to. I mean she to be fair I was told not to tell anyone of my family that Mark had escaped. So since I, since I couldn't tell them then therefore kind of opened the door to me having my sister send Mark an email saying call Claire at six o'clock tomorrow morning.
Speaker 1:With a new phone number, because they took her phone and they changed her phone out so that I couldn't call her after I escaped. So then, but then, yeah, but my sister.
Speaker 2:I know she did get in trouble and she left a message for me then crying.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:On the new phone.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh. So somebody said oh, you emailed and da-da-da-da-da.
Speaker 2:Well, she had left me this message and I tried to call her back. And then my mom said don't call her, she's really having, she's struggling with this. And I was like brilliant, Like I'm not, yeah.
Speaker 1:To be clear, claire has a brother and two sisters. Her brother did a hate video, her mom did a hate video and Her brother did a hate video. Her mom did a hate video and your stepdad did a hate video.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The two sisters did not do hate videos that we know of.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we're hoping the sisters are not in Scientology anymore and that's the reason why they didn't do the hate videos. We don't know, but they still. It's always a Sophie's choice choice. So do the sisters. If they talk to claire then they can't talk to their brother and their mother and their father. So we don't I mean, I don't have any ill, I don't have any bad feelings towards my family that won't talk to me because I know if they talk to me then they won't be able to talk to my mom or my brother. You know, I don't. It's just sort of like it is. It's Scientology that's organized this whole nonsense. So you can't get upset at the, the, the, the victims of Scientology. You have to go to the, to the source of the problem, not to the end product of the problem. So it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2:I don't know, though. I have two very different perspectives on that too. I agree with that. On the other hand, I also think that, as a parent, how can you possibly do that to your kids and sleep at night?
Speaker 1:well, yeah that's the other, that's the flip side obviously the parents should leave and take the kids with them and then everybody could talk to everybody and then you don't have to put up with any of the scientology nonsense. That is the. That is the bottom line. But they're in a cult and they are brainwashed by the cult and that's why they do what they do. So it's sort of like it is what it is. I will tell you there's a flip side, though.
Speaker 1:We hear, we've heard of people who paid their freeloader debt. They did their a through e steps. Those are these steps you have to do in Scientology to get back in good standing with Scientology. They did all those things and then the second Scientology said OK, you can talk to your mom again. And then that person calls their mom and the mom's like when are you going to go back into the Scientology org and do some counseling and do when?
Speaker 1:You know it's all bullshit? The only reason you did all that stuff was so you could talk to the mom. And then you talk to the mom and the mom's like when are you going to start doing some stuff in Scientology? You're just like oh boy, and we've seen that on multiple occasions, where people say they did all the stuff and they played nice and then it was just like ugh. And so the one thing that we are sort of I want to say I don't want to say it's, it's a good, whether it's a good thing or it's just a weird byproduct is we don't have to worry about in-laws, we don't have any in-law nonsense, and we also, in the real world not anything to do with Scientology we hear a lot about mother-in-law, this, father-in-law, that brother-in-law, sister, and we hear about all kinds of drama. We don't have any of that drama because we don't have any in-laws, right? So, yeah, anyway, that's that, flor Garza, flor Garza, flor Garza. Thank you guys for the book.
Speaker 2:I'm so excited to read it. Air has an amazing cover the artwork.
Speaker 1:The artwork is simply great. Yes floor.
Speaker 2:I put that up because floor was one of the people that won when we hit 27 000 subscribers nice.
Speaker 1:Thank you floor. Yes, yeah, the um. I don't know if you guys know this or not. Maybe some of you are new and haven't. I don't know if you guys know this or not. Maybe some of you are new and haven't.
Speaker 1:I don't know when I talked about it or might have not even talked about it on our channel, but when I did my book. I don't I'm not a writer and I don't make books, so I needed to round up some folks that knew how to do all this, all this. So I got a guy who actually designed all of the interiors to all of the Scientology books, who was an amazing digital artist and he had escaped somewhere around the time. I had escaped and I tracked him down and I said, hey, I'm going to put out a book, would you mind designing it? And he did the interior, the spine, the cover, all of the artwork for my book. He did everything, including the art on the cover, and he has agreed. Has he agreed to do yours as well, claire? Yeah, yeah, he's going to do Claire's book as well.
Speaker 1:But then I needed somebody to print it. So then I got ahold of the gal that used to do the printing for Scientology and we got her to print it. And then I had to get ahold of, uh, somebody to edit it. So I found this guy that used to edit a lot of Scientology books. I got him to edit it and, uh, so I leaned I leaned on a lot of Sea Org member talent to be able to whip that book together in a month or so.
Speaker 2:Yep. Hey, someone said AA Ron's in the house. Woo-hoo Awesome.
Speaker 1:Thank you for joining AA, Ron. Yeah, Not a sheeple. Hi from Southern Ontario. I'm a regular viewer and make sure I catch as many live streams as possible. You all rock. I agree with Amy Keebler elf needs to be in jail. He's despicable. It would be nice if the Keebler king, the Scientology boss baby, would be held accountable for all of the abuse that he's dealt out. And I was telling this reporter that I was talking to today. There's got to be the karma train. Has got gotta just be. Have a whole car waiting for David. Um, if Claire is being the auditor, then how? Is it just a drill and Mark is the coach? Well, in the, in the scenario that we were doing, the coach is the one who's trying to train the auditor.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The thing we were doing is not a real counseling session, it's a mock counseling session, and the person getting counseled in the mock session is the one who is the senior of the two, he's the boss, and then in a lot of things they call it a twin. So like, let's say, I'm starting a course and Claire is starting a course. Well, because we're starting the same course around the same time, you get paired up with that person, and so I would be the coach for Claire, and then, once she passes, then she's the coach for me, and then, once I pass, then we go to the next step and then we do that again, and that's how you do the entire course. It's called what do they call it Roundabout. What do they call it? Isn't it called Roundabout? Or they have a name for it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 2:As I told you, I'm not in my best form tonight, honey, sorry.
Speaker 1:It's all good Anyway.
Speaker 2:Round Robin something like that.
Speaker 1:They call it Roundabout or Flippy Dippy, ding Dong or some stupid thing that I don't remember it made of.
Speaker 2:It's not co-audit, it's whatever It'll come to me.
Speaker 1:It's Rock Robin.
Speaker 2:My battery's at 20%.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, bella Lada, I admire how dedicated you both are to your mission. I'm amazed at your strength of character under immense pressure. Sometimes I wish I could reach out and hug you when it looks like things are rough for you. Aw thanks, yeah, we appreciate that. And when that Aftermath show came out, people would come up to us in public just random. We didn't even know them. The worst one was at the supermarket. The checkout lady had had seen the show and I'm like going, you know, like put my groceries on the thing and she looked up, she goes oh my gosh, and she literally walked around and she came up to me and she gave me a big hug and I was like okay, thank you, uh, uh, yeah, uh, okay.
Speaker 2:And she was like or what about that guy that we ran into at the rec center? He literally started crying. It was like oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:He said oh my God, I didn't realize you were the same, cause we had known, we know, we've even the checkout lady. We knew her in our personal lives before the show came out. And then, when the show came out, it was like, oh my goodness, I couldn't believe, because we didn't tell anybody. We do, I mean, we don't, we don't lead with that Like, oh yeah, I used to be in a cult for 25 years.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yes, did you hear about the AF card drop, the aftermath card drop at Pac-Base? Yeah, wasn't it like 5,000 cards or something like that? Wow, yeah, I heard about it. I think it was posted somewhere on social media or Facebook. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I did hear about it. Thank you, joshua. Um, yeah, good job, stephanie, hi Mark and Claire. Um, stephanie used to comment. Where was it that she would comment? It was on Twitter or somewhere, and whenever I would see it, I would always say because it's spelled with a Stephanie, spelled with an F. I would always just say Stefani, hey, stefani's here, and it would make her laugh. Stephanie Hutchinson is a rock star. Stephanie Hutchinson has a website. We should put a like a blog. We should put a link to it in the description. Make a note.
Speaker 2:Make a note? Yep, we should put a link to it in the description Make a note. Make it, yep, I'll make a note.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we would do all these events in Scientology and shoot all these videos and David Miscavige would fill it with so many lies and falsehoods but nobody would know. Nobody would ever fact check these things. I never heard of one person fact checking it and I would always joke. If somebody ever fact check these things, they find out that these bulls, these videos, are full of nonsense and lies. Well, stephanie, over here, she started fact checking them and she started writing to the people that they were talking about in the videos and I want to say probably 90, 95% of the people that answer her are like no, I didn't say that I didn't support Scientology, I was supporting this drug-free thing. And they're like oh, that's a Scientology front group.
Speaker 2:And remember the best was that actually people, Scientologists, would write reports to religious technology center data person.
Speaker 1:All the time.
Speaker 2:All the time saying this was a false report.
Speaker 1:In this event, yeah yeah, I would say very often it said there was, the org was filled. That was an org. People that was golden era used people and they just brought people in off the street and put them in course rooms or you know whatever we did when we shot these videos. Scientology relies on a lot of movie magic. I will tell you that right now there's a lot of stuff happening in Scientology that ain't happening in real life but they make it look like it is Anyway. So thank you, stephanie, for all the work that you do, and Scientology has been going really hard on Stephanie on Twitter, making up all sorts of nonsense, as they do with anyone who exposes anything they do, and that's another thing. When people say, oh, there's a hate site, I'm like you know what they say, stephanie, you ain't doing it right if you don't have a hate site Anyway. So she's doing a good job. Thank you, stephanie.
Speaker 1:Oh, juliana, I didn't know that juliana is a what is an? Ex-scientologist. I was not aware of this, juliana. Yeah, I wish juliana says I would have flunked claire there at a moment. Mark was being nice I would have too.
Speaker 2:I agree with Juliana. People were like thinking I was practice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, People were thinking that I was being easy on her. I was being. I said I was being easy on her. I know People give me a lot of flack.
Speaker 2:That's why I marked that I agree.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're right, juliana, I would. I could have flunked her so quick, but it was so it was. You have to really. You have to really be blatant as an example to see how it is. But even the slightest smile or any smirk or anything, that's an immediate flunk. Destiny Salazar, sptv Theater. Thank you, yeah, we did. We're doing demos up in this, you know you. Yeah, we did. We're doing demos up in this, you know. Chase Weaver, mark and Claire are you both surprised that people like Greg Wilhair has stayed in Scientology? Any other people you're surprised haven't left?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are a bunch of people you know. The other thing is that that's a good question, chase, thank you for that. So Greg Wilhair, his wife, sandy Wilhair, was kicked off of the property. She was a class 12 auditor at one point. She was one of the most highly trained counselors In all of Scientology, and didn't she work directly with L Ron Hubbard?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:She worked directly with L Ron Hubbard, one of the very few people that was trained as high as her that was also personally worked with L Ron Hubbard. She was made the dry cleaning in charge at the base for a long time, like she was in charge of taking executives clothes to the dry cleaners.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she she wouldn't you agree? She's one of the people that the CR did not go well with, I mean well, she got she aged well, but also didn't she, didn't she have MS at one point? I think she did yeah.
Speaker 1:They. She didn't get out of the Sea Org. She just got kicked off of the property and put down in Los Angeles, and there is even a spy file that talks about getting rid of her for once and for all. That was Greg Wilhair's wife. He divorced her, his ex-wife yeah, he divorced her and he married another gal that was also an RTC.
Speaker 2:Not to mention he married the one who he went to South Africa to bring back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a girl that escaped from RTC. She went to South Africa. He was sent to get her and then, once he got her, they went and did she go on the sabbatical with him and Marty?
Speaker 2:No, she did. She did the running program at the.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:She did something but Greg was her sex checker.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was her counselor, her interrogator, and after he interrogated her he married her. And the other thing is that when Greg will hair, oh wow.
Speaker 2:Sorry, claire, is really good at putting up those questions.
Speaker 1:She said to hit that little star you don't have to put the show part. Anyway, greg Wilhair when Marty escaped, greg Wilhair was sent with Marty to the free winds and they went on a sabbatical for like a year.
Speaker 2:I remember reading that issue and I was like, wait, what is a sabbatical, yeah, why. I remember reading that issue and I was like, wait, what is a sabbatical, yeah, why have I never heard of this?
Speaker 1:because it's not a real thing in scientology they made it up just like arbitration. It's not a thing they made it up so that it so that nobody would know that marty escaped and that he had to be brought back. He escaped, was brought back, and then he had to be brought back. He escaped, was brought back, and then he went to the free wins. I want to say for several months, if not like a half a year or a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And him and Greg Wilhair. This is a perfect segue. Him and Greg Wilhair twinned and did all these training and counseling things together so that they both could get fixed up. And then when Marty came back, he was the shiniest turd there ever was and for I don't know four or five years before he wasn't, and then he escaped again and they never got him back. And also this comes up all the time Marty didn't go back to Scientology. He doesn't work there anymore. He just flipped his alliance. So a lot of people think that he went back to Scientology. He doesn't work for Scientology. He doesn't. He's not in the Sea Org. He's not a member. Does videos nasty hate videos about other people who are currently exposing scientology? Um, as part of some weird agreement that they don't mess with him anymore, that's yeah, that's as much as we know.
Speaker 2:I agree with the theory that I've seen bounced around that they took him off the board they made so he had already spoken out and now he's reversed himself. So, no matter what he says to anybody, nobody trusts him, nobody believes him and he's a non-entity, which I hope he's happy with his choices, because that's a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is what it is, barb. Sylvie says I was showing a video from Saturday Night Live to one of my 30-year-old former students and a John Travolta commercial came on. Before I said a word he yelled be gone. Scientologist SPTV we're everywhere. Thank you, barb, that's a very funny story.
Speaker 2:Thanks for sharing that, Barb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that.
Speaker 1:SNl thing is so funny yeah people email me all the time saying, uh, have you seen this? Yes, I've seen all the depeche mode videos. I've seen all the scientology there is. You know I say that and then, of course, I'm going to tell you this right now. Um, I did, uh, I did a bunch of interviews for a german um tv show that was essentially a documentary on the Office of Special Affairs Scientology's spy wing, and I want to say they were comparing it to the Stasi and they interviewed me.
Speaker 1:They interviewed a bunch of other German folks. They interviewed Mike Rinder and this video I think it came out in 2014. We got to put a link to it down in the description. If there's any Germans in here, I'd love to know what they're saying. It's in German, so I have no idea. Even when I'm talking, there's somebody else talking German over me, so I can't even hear what I'm saying. But is? There are a lot of great videos out there on Scientology, but I had never actually ever seen that video until somebody sent me a link to it the other day and I was like a video with me and Mike that's in Germany. I was like Mike and I never did anything on that, but I didn't know who the other people were. They interviewed, and they interviewed Mike, evidently.
Speaker 2:So we'll put a link to that in the description one of these days we'll have to put together a complete, like all everything we've been in, because at this point it's a fair amount, even things I've forgotten about, like the four corners, show you know, the aust the Australian four corners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, I get it. I was trying to understand this question. It says C-O-B-I-L-F.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, but it says do you think I'd shut down if I got to keep some money? Do you think I'd shut it down if I got to keep some money and was promised immunity from prosecution? Love the shoes. Sorry, I was such a jerk. This is supposed to be a parody of COB. I don't think you get immunity If I got to keep some money and was promised yeah. No, david Miscavige is never shutting that thing down. It gets shut down or somebody shuts him down, but he's not shutting it down to make a deal or anything like that. That's never happening.
Speaker 1:Jld is me. Says please do DM's deposition reenactment soon. You know Aaron has a master plan to do this deposition. It's going to take forever. It's long, it's and it's it. It's pages and pages and pages and pages of dialogue. I could do it, cause I'm a yapper and I could yap endlessly but, like other other folks really have to commit to do this and also we would take. We would get so sidetracked along the way explaining things and I don't know. It sounds like a great idea when you're talking about it, but going to actually do it is a lot of work. My heart goes out to every Scientology member. The abuse yeah, no, it's not good and that's why people ask me this all the time Don't give the Scientologists a hard time.
Speaker 1:When you go to the organization, you're there in person. That's not going to be helpful. That's why, even if you're going to go take a picture with the bobblehead that's funny, you can go outside take a picture. But the Scientologists if you are overtly antagonistic or something to them, they're just going to shut down. They're not going to get any kind of message. It's when you, when you're like a real person, like let's have a conversation type thing, and and you're like compassionate or showing empathy, that is a possible way to connect with them. But the being being mean to them is not gonna do the trick.
Speaker 1:And I mean sometimes we joke about people on here that are in Scientology and most of the time those people have done dastardly deeds. So that's where I'm kind of like, well, it is what it is. And also there are other people that are in Scientology that may know those people and know that there is a possibility that they did dastardly deeds, and when we confirm that it helps, other people leave. So it's sort of a fine line to walk.
Speaker 1:When you're making fun, I try not to be too mean-spirited and that's why, when people send in the shoes, if you're Setting on David Miscavige on fire, putting him in a grave, we're not gonna show it, which we have gotten a lot of those. So, guys, you gotta stop and stop with the AI. Please don't send me more in the any of the AI ones. They all look exactly the same to my. They're kind of like weirdly creepy. I think I might have like a david miscavige ai generated phobia, because every time I see the pictures I just have an uneasy feeling. So, um, please don't send me any more of those yeah, you made me think too.
Speaker 2:I think that one of the things that was so the biggest surprise when we got out was how kind and gracious and just nice people are out in the real world. You know it sounds silly and simple, but it had a huge impact on me personally. I was just like wow, there's really really nice people out here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do have a thing where I'm just trying to figure out how to explain this. They do have a thing where they portray the entire world outside of Scientology as drug addicts, prostitutes and murderers. That's sort of everybody not in Scientology is evil and there's two and a half percent of people that are suppressives, no matter what. Two and a half percent like more than well over the entire population of Scientology. There's millions and millions of people who are just born suppressives. But they are always trying to portray how the real world is just full of criminals and people that are up to no good and Scientology's mission is to salvage those people and get them into Scientology so that they're not criminals. So when you get out in the real world, people are like oh yeah, you can stay with me or you know I'll give you a job or I'll do this, and you're just like that doesn't seem, doesn't seem like the criminals. We were told these people Juliana again, juliana Bittencourt oh my god, I just realized another severance Scientology similarity the wellness sessions. Please try to react equally to all facts. Hand orange covering eyes. Hand orange covering eyes. Hand orange covering eyes. Hand orange covering eyes. I think that means those are emojis, the interface that we use here doesn't show us emojis.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yes, juliana, ben Stiller is the one who it's brilliant. I'm pretty sure he created. I know he at least directed it. I don't know if he wrote all of them. I think he wrote a bunch of them and I think he directed half of the first season. I want to say or six out of nine episodes or whatever.
Speaker 1:I heard an interview where he talked about it, but, um, he there. Whoever put that thing together definitely, uh, did some scientology ripping, and there is a lot of things like that. Thank you, juliana. There's a lot of things like Whoever put that thing together definitely did some Scientology ripping, and there is a lot of things like that. Thank you, juliana. There's a lot of things like that in mainstream media and the current zeitgeist, where people are making shows or making premises that are loosely based on Scientology, but because they don't use any of the lingo, they can get away with it and it's very compelling. And you know, only the people that are putting it together know well. I kind of stole this idea from what Scientology are up to. That reminds me of no lack of material there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a former Sea Org member that used to be at the M-Base. Her name is Mariette Lindstein and she has some amazing best-selling books. It's called the Cult of Fog Island is the name of it?
Speaker 2:I think so yeah.
Speaker 1:The Cult on Fog Island, and then I think there's even a sequel book.
Speaker 2:I think she's done three or four, yeah, even a sequel book. I think she's done three or four, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway this cult on Fog Island is. She was in the hole and she was in RTC and I can't read. The books are in. I think they're in Swedish.
Speaker 2:I have it in English.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have the first one. It's really good.
Speaker 1:Awesome, anyway, is it? Does it? Is it anything like the base?
Speaker 2:Totally one. It's really good, awesome anyway, is it, does it, is it?
Speaker 1:anything like the base totally 100.
Speaker 2:The escape she escapes out of there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, so many parallels, I mean you should put a link, make a note and put a link to those get shows mariette, some love. Anyway, she's a super, super popular author over there in uh, swedeville, um dylan chatterton says moogoo, some war up.
Speaker 2:Claire will know what that means yeah, actually some gum war sue up yeah, there you go, dylan dylan getting schooled over there.
Speaker 1:Moogoo guy pan as well yeah exactly. These are just nonsense phrases started yeah, these are just nonsense phrases that L run Hubbard wrote that you could respond to the person when you're bull baiting them. You just say random nonsense and there is a lot in my Zorch.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's actually pages and pages of them.
Speaker 1:That Zorch line. I want to say that Mike Rinder used it in the blown for good rap.
Speaker 2:Oh nice.
Speaker 1:He says that in his, in his verse he says oh, yeah, somebody else, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizzle, fizz. Apostate Alex says this is also the reason a lot of ex Scientologists say, ok, good, it's been drilled into us. If somebody says, hey, I want to go to the beach, and then you say, okay, let's go to the beach, and then you say, thank you, you can't. If somebody says something to you like let's say I ask Claire, hey, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I'm okay.
Speaker 1:And then I just start talking about something else that is not allowed in.
Speaker 2:Scientology. No, I know, and I'll be honest. I still kind of judge people when they don't answer, when they don't acknowledge. I'm like gosh, you just left me hanging. Did you hear what I said?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know what's really funny? I've listened to like I used to listen to Howard Stern a lot before I started just watching YouTube and podcasts and stuff. But I used to listen to a lot of Howard Stern interviews. He never, ever, ever will acknowledge somebody. He asked a question. You give an answer. He just asked the next question.
Speaker 1:He goes right to it and it's funny because one of the things they teach you or that is kind of being baked into the current media and YouTube videos and stuff is to cut out all pauses, cut out all um. Oh, thanks for telling me that. Cut out, cut out all the nonsense. Ask the question, get the answer. Ask the question, get the answer. And I believe there's sort of a happy medium. But Scientology go way, way overboard on what are you doing? I am doing this. Thank you for telling me that's what you're doing. Okay, thank you for thanking me, for telling me what I'm doing. Well, thank you, and the best one ever is you have to give.
Speaker 1:When you're having any kind of conversation in Scientology, you have to give what's called an acknowledgement and it has to be a proper acknowledgement. Having any kind of conversation in Scientology, you have to give what's called an acknowledgement and it has to be a proper acknowledgement, and there's a lot of debates on what is a proper acknowledgement. And the whole purpose of the acknowledgement is to let the person know that you heard what they've said and for them to stop talking. The whole purpose of the Scientology, what they call the calm cycle, is to control the dialogue of the conversation. So when you acknowledge somebody and L Ron Hubbard details this out the purpose of the acknowledgement is to stop the person from communicating, to let them know you understood them and to tell them to shut the person from communicating, to let them know you understood them and to tell them to shut the fuck up. And that is the purpose of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and let's not forget, to the drill, that TR two and a half.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Get somebody to keep talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you, if you've asked somebody a question and they haven't fully answered it, you're supposed to give them a half acknowledgement, and that is an acknowledgement that lets you know that you've heard them but that you would like to know more, and that's a whole nother thing. You practice and it's like hey, claire, what'd you do today?
Speaker 2:I was working.
Speaker 1:Uh huh. Yeah, uh huh, um, I was working. Uh-, huh, yeah, uh-huh, you're supposed to inflect at the end, uh-huh like go on uh-huh anyway, but, um.
Speaker 1:But my favorite thing of all is jason bagay, a good friend of mine, um, who is wildly successful these days. He has has his own TV show called Chicago PD. He plays Sergeant Voight. He plays the main cop on the show Chicago. I think it's on NBC. Anyway, he argued. We shot a ton of films with him when I was at the base. I have all kinds of amazing Jason Begay stories. But he would say he argued that if you say like, you say something to me and I'll give you his version of an acknowledgement that he thinks is 100% a proper acknowledgement and he fought for it, and they let him say, yeah, that's a proper acknowledgement. So he fought for it and they let him say, yeah, that's a proper acknowledgement.
Speaker 2:So you want me to just give you a statement.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I'll acknowledge you.
Speaker 2:like Jason would say oh, I had a good day at work today. Please stop talking.
Speaker 1:He's like it ends lets you know that I've heard you, and then it ends the conversation Please stop talking. Thank you, no, that's it. He would say thank you, Please stop talking. And he would say that to me. I'd be yapping about it. He would say thank you, Please stop talking.
Speaker 2:We do that all the time and I didn't realize that's where it came from. Oh, 100%. Please stop talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that talking, yeah, that's what I use it all the time. Somebody's like you too. Thank you, please stop talking. Thank you, alex, appreciate that. Um, andy, fabulous, okay, let's. Uh, you want to lock? Yeah, let's lock down the super chat. 7, 15 guys, if you put you can do them. But but, um, it's, there's a cut off and uh, I can't guarantee that claire won't star him, because she loves starring super chats, but we're going to do a cutoff, right now, as everybody knows, honey, I'm a rule follower.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh except for when she's going to get in trouble, then all the rules are a little loose. I guess Andy fabulous says this sounds like the perfect way to brainwash people. You are putting ideas into someone's mind and the auditor brainwashes themself into believing it's not true. This must have happened to you, yeah, well, that's the whole point of Scientology is you? This is and this is the genius of L Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1:You could say he's crazy. You could say he was a big, fat, blubby guy. He definitely has the most horrible teeth that ever walked the planet. But thank you, andy Fabulous, oh gosh, but he made a way to brainwash you. But you do the brainwashing yourself, you're in charge of the brainwashing, and then you twin up with somebody and you brainwash each other, and then that's how you do it, so you don't have to have L Ron Hubbard figured out a way to brainwash a bunch of people and then he figured out a way to have them brainwash each other. And then he figured out once you brainwash the people that are the most brainwashed, we'll put them in charge of all the brainwashing. And that's been going on for since the 1950s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which, by the way, thanks to the viewer that mentioned last podcast on the left, I started listening to that today. There's a bunch of episodes and it's really funny, but you reminded me of one of the things they're talking about oh, warren Hubbard. And they're like, yeah, that dude has parallelograms for teeth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, the best one I think I can't remember one of comedian says but your teeth are like, I love how you're oh, it was, was it was. Nikki Glaser said it about a girl named Jewel who's like a pop artist. He said I love how your teeth are just doing their own thing, Like each one of them is like doing their own thing. They're like the Spice Girls. They're all different colors and doing their own thing. What are your kids up to while you're doing your videos?
Speaker 2:Hopefully homework, yeah, thing um. What are your kids up to while? You're doing your videos, hopefully homework apple. Yeah, thank you. We always have them eat dinner before we get started over here.
Speaker 1:So they're, they're good yeah, they get to eat. They get to like, uh, go pick something up when we do these videos. So they they're like happy as a clam, like, oh, we get chick-fil-A or whatever. By the way, I did a bunch of research. I know what they're putting in that Chick-fil-A. You see these lines at Chick-fil-A that are just going all over the place and I'm thinking there's no way that it's just chicken, there's something in there. And they're also closed on Sundays. And I found out, I did a very deep investigation and that chicken has MS Jesus in it.
Speaker 1:And that's why people are lining up to get it. Anyway, midwest girl, maybe an SP and allies alternative to going clear could be going cracker liquor. Uh, yes, um, yeah, cracking, this cracker licking thing is getting out of control. And now I didn't know, I knew that that girl, the cracker liquor accuser, I um, that she was a flat ball bearing up in management as well, before she came down into golden air productions that sort of, and amy was the best.
Speaker 1:Amy said you could have even joked that you had licked the crackers and she would have thought it was that you had actually licked the crackers. And I think, jet in my heart of hearts, I think that that we were joking around with her and we would joke around with her all the time because she didn't get any of the jokes. So you could joke around with her and she would think you were totally serious. She had no clue that there was some sort of prank or jokes or whatever going on. So I could have said she could have eaten some crackers. Say, like those crackers, yeah, I licked them all and then just walked away and she would have thought he licked a crack. I wouldn't do that. That's ridiculous, anyway. So the cracker licker thing Also.
Speaker 2:let's just point out it took her 18 years to remember this. No, I guarantee 18 years no I guarantee 18 years.
Speaker 1:No, no, I guarantee. They culled every single person and you know this would happen. It's called an interrogatory when somebody would escape or somebody was in trouble. They send out this form to everyone on the property and says do you know of any crimes that Claire Headley may have committed while she was working in RTC? Has Claire Headley ever said anything bad about RTC? Did Claire Headley joke or degrade in any way about RTC? And they cull for as much as they can get and then they use that to do the hate videos.
Speaker 1:We would see them all the time at the end base and also also as soon as somebody takes off. It's just like in the real world when somebody quits or somebody escapes or somebody leaves, just like you do in the real world. Whatever's going on, that's bad at the company or going bad at the seer unit, it's all. Was that person? You'd be like oh yeah, mark, uh, mark, uh yeah, he wasted about 7522 million last week. And you'd be like what? He wasn't even spending any money. Oh yeah, no, evidently he was spending money. And you just like OK, this is ridiculous, valerie Buljack, I would love to do a question list. What would you think of a person who did this and list DM's actions. What would you?
Speaker 2:would you like this person?
Speaker 1:then oh, that's dm. Of course they would deny, but maybe they would do some little thoughts, a question list.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm not understanding it, like like I'm reading that as like make people think about david miscavige, probably more so people who are in scientology. Like, what would you think about someone who punched somebody on the sides of their head and throttled them and threw them up against a wall? What would you think of a person like that?
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's a great idea, valerie. That is a great idea just to say what. Yeah, I mean, that's sort of what we're. We're kind of trying to expose all of these things and little nuggets that are not. I mean, if you just talk about all the shitty things that David Miscavige does on a full-time basis, that doesn't make for the best YouTube content. But if you mix it in with other stuff and talk about Cracker, lickin' and maybe Social Sho and it's sort of a little bit more digestible. That's how I feel.
Speaker 2:I'm not an expert, I grew up in a cult, but I also think that relating specific examples helps people to understand Like, yeah, this was day, day in, day out, a normal day at the at the base.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally, george Massey. Thank you, george. Thank you, george. Appreciate it. A normal day at the at the base. Yeah, totally, george massey. Thank you, george. Thank you, george, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Super chat, super sticker stewart reed, did you intentionally hide lines from the depeche mode songs into your book? I caught a line from somebody wondering if I missed more. No, stewart, every single chapter of my book is a depeche Mode song and there are Depeche Mode lyrics everywhere. And I really do genuinely believe that Depeche Mode saved me and it was like kind of my rock through all that craziness was. I always had this music to kind of escape to when things were getting really, really tough. And, yeah, it was a major crutch for me. If I didn't have Depeche Mode as like an escape in that crazy place, there's no way I would have made it and there's no way I'd be here today. I guarantee you that. So, yeah, that was not an accident, I did that on purpose.
Speaker 1:Eileen, mcp, did you see Jimmy Kimmel's monologue at the Oscars this year Said you she was looking for Elrond Hubba, hubba and Top Gun. Yes, that was very surprising to me, eileen. Thank you for that. Eileen, or Eileen, I thought for the longest time. Jimmy, all the Jimmy's, jimmy Kimmel and what's the other Jimmy, jimmy Fallon, and I can't remember that Brit guy that does James Corden. They have been very, very Scientology friendly and whenever there's a controversy going on and scientology's in the news and tom cruise or elizabeth moss or any of these guys are on there, they just lob them softballs. They never get into it, they never. They're very. It's everything's hilarious anyway. Um, so when jimmy kimmel did that, I was like I don't know, jimmy kimmel might have just cut the. He might have just cut the Scientology court on that one. That's not a funny joke to Tom Cruise, that's serious business. Alwyn Hubbard is like the most super Thayton in the whole universe you don't joke about. You don't joke about Hubba Hubba. Ok. So I was very surprised that he did it. So I was very surprised that he did it. I thought that that other guy did the best though, that Gerard Carmichael guy, when he said trade the awards for Shelly. That was pretty amazing.
Speaker 1:Lisa Marchbank's Dragonfish Handmade Goods says I'm in for a Zinu bobblehead. Yeah, the more I think about it. We've been trying to make one of Leah. I'm telling you guys, we've been trying. It's hard, it's very hard. You can do a guy, no problem. Like Mike Rinder, I knocked that one out of the park First try. Amazing, mike loved it. We've sold gazillions of them. They've helped the people escape via the Aftermath Foundation. We've helped set people up and get their lives on track. And I was thinking about it the other day. I bet you I could do a Zinu one, because who's going to disapprove it? Zinu ain't coming here and telling me it doesn't look like him. So sort of wide open there I could pull it off, no problem. So we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Melissa Ribe, can you hook John up with Kay Olson? She'd be of help.
Speaker 2:Great idea. John, shoot me an email. I know what that's about.
Speaker 1:About the Sea Org member thing.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's a good. That's a good point. Yes, great idea, melissa, and also perfect segue again, just knocking it out of the park tonight. Here folks. Catherine Olson is one of the people that was in the c org a year ago and somebody who knew about the aftermath foundation. Um, or she talked to somebody and then that person reached out to the aftermath foundation and you know, I want to say two weeks later, two, three weeks later, she wasn't in theg anymore and now she's got a life.
Speaker 2:We were picking her up at the airport.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's not like this is. A lot of other people say like oh, you guys just have an ax to grind oh, she's here, by the way.
Speaker 2:She says, yeah, it's almost two years ago.
Speaker 1:Almost two June 11th 2021. There you go. Her, her second anniversary you guys are like, oh, you just have an axe to grind. Why do you guys keep talking about this? You don't seem to bust it up, you don't seem to victim and you know I'm like no, we're. The whole reason we're doing this is to get folks like katherine out of there and get her to have her life. She hadn't talked correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I don't think she had talked to her sister or her mother in like 20-something years.
Speaker 2:No, it was about so.
Speaker 1:Well, she was in the SeaWorld, it wasn't?
Speaker 2:that long. It was like 14 years.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:But still like the family in Minnesota, like her grandma.
Speaker 1:She was in the SeaWorld for 26 years 26, 27 years. She was in the Sea Org for 26 years and she hadn't talked to her family in 14 years and she was miserable and she's not anymore. Hopefully she's doing 12 years.
Speaker 2:She just answered she hadn't talked to her mom or her sister in 12 years.
Speaker 1:There you go, that's.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's crazy folks, yeah, how long have we not talked to our family 2005. 18 years 18 years.
Speaker 1:We're going 18 years. Yeah, we did see my mom at a funeral.
Speaker 2:And I saw my mom at a funeral too.
Speaker 1:There you go, so we've seen them and we said hi, bye.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't. That was where I told her I loved her. And she said I love you, I hope to see you again very soon. And then I went to give my stepdad a hug and he started yelling at me in front of my entire family and I said don't you believe communication is the universal solvent? To which he stormed out of there. And yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so that's why we're doing this.
Speaker 2:I won that conversation, though, so it was okay.
Speaker 1:We're not doing this because we have an ax to grind. We're doing this because there's people there getting abused. If you escaped from a camp where they were abusing people and your friends were back there and you were just like, well, I'm doing great, I'm going to live my life Sucks to suck, I'm not one of them, I'm doing my thing. I mean, there are people who've done that and that's your right. If you want to do that, you want to do that. I am not wired that way. I feel like I have an obligation to the people that we left behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I absolutely agree and obviously.
Speaker 1:I could selfishly say okay, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna lay low, I'm not gonna say anything and I'm just gonna play nice to try and talk to my family.
Speaker 2:That doesn't help my family and it doesn't help me and it doesn't help anybody else, so not an option. Sent a comment on use yesterday's stream it was sent with love bo beats.
Speaker 1:Thank you, bo beats yes, thank you also, before I forget, there's a girl named erin that made a question. She had a question about um delphi I could see it in the super chats but I could never find it in the comments and she asked her name was erin, I can't remember the last name, but erin asked if they're in Delphi, how many students there were. Is it like 10 or 20? No, delphi. I want to say. Delphi has hundreds of children at each of their locations that attend their schools. So you're talking about maybe a thousand possible future Sea Orc members that are just, they're just being grown on a full time basis through these Scientology schools.
Speaker 1:So, and a lot, of, a lot of times, delphi will say they're not a Scientology school, they're just a private academy. Oh, that's the word I was trying to think of what they call themselves. They call it Delphi Academy because it goes from like preschool all the way to the end of high school. Anyway, they're not accredited and if you go there and then try to attend college, you're going to have all sorts of nonsense because Delphi at least when I went there they were not accredited and I know I've heard stories from a few of the people that went there that they had to jump through a lot of hoops to do college afterwards. But yes, it's hundreds, if not thousands of kids that are being kind of prepped to be Sea Org members. Jld is me DM deposition. Put explanations as subtitles maybe.
Speaker 1:That's not a bad idea either. That is a good idea. And we could also do just excerpts of the more significant sections the other thing I was thinking is we could do it and then we would just chop it into pieces. So we do dm deposition pages, you know, one through three, and then dm deposition pages four through six. We could do it like that. That was another way I was thinking about after she commented earlier. Thank you, jld Esme. Rock it out with Kim D. What was?
Speaker 2:it again, kim D High.
Speaker 1:Oh, hold on, it was high, high.
Speaker 2:High.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rock it out with Kim D High.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Thank you for yet another evening of enlightenment and enjoyment. Slow and steady wins the race.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, thank you for being here. Thank you to everybody.
Speaker 1:I'm so not a fan of the super rushes. I even think 45 minutes is too short.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:When we do those lives on Monday. I don't know, we're going to figure something out. I'm not a fan. John Tatowski for SP Shop unsalted tops, saltine crackers Advertise them as lick-resistant crackers. Yeah, john, isn't John the one who gave me the other suggestion? It is food, john. Just go to the store you need to go shopping. Okay, go get some food. Okay, he wants candy. What was the other thing you wanted? Yeah, no, we're trying to stay away from food.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody was just saying in the comments hey, where's I Love Pizza tonight. I was like oh boy, here we go.
Speaker 1:That is one thing that I did notice when I was watching that german documentary. I did, I was about the same weight, but somehow my face was like a square, I don't know. They say the camera puts on 10 pounds. Oh, this camera put on about 30 pounds, okay. Okay, I look much skinnier in the face than I did when I shot that video. It was only, you know, 10 know, 10 years ago, clara. Thank you, clara, to buy a drink before your next Depeche Mode concert. Come visit Washington sometime. Thanks for spending time engaging with all of us. Absolutely, clara.
Speaker 2:Awesome. Thank you, clara, is that?
Speaker 1:the same, clara. I always ask if that's the.
Speaker 2:Clara, Because she doesn't have her last name there. Clara is a rock star. She's amazing. She was really kind. She was like I'm keeping track of the link so you can go take some medicine.
Speaker 1:Oh, good See, Ah Zing, I told you Gary Jackson Moorhead. Hey you two. Hey, gary, gary's Jackson, I've been talking. I talked to Jackson the other day. I think he's thinking about firing up a YouTube channel himself and kind of he's getting all his ducks in a row.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ducks in a row. Yeah, and I started a comment from Mark, and Mark Fisher is here and he said Mark and Janice are going to be firing up a channel too, which is amazing.
Speaker 1:Oh man, this is the best, because these you know, claire and I have tons of stories. We were only there for 15 years. Mark Fisher, janice these guys have 20, 30 years of crazy stories. There's no shortage of nonsense that went on over at that place and they also have different viewpoints. And Janice has a totally different lens that she saw these things through. And Janice worked with Hubbard for years, so directly with Hubbard. And Janice worked with Hubbard for years, so directly with Hubbard. And so, yeah, these people, there's stories to tell and these are stories that David Miscavige does not want you to hear about. Cg, paul, slp. I totally look forward to Monday and Tuesday nights with all you guys. You guys are doing a great job, courtney, thank you, courtney.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Courtney, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:We appreciate you being here, heart-shaped Isle, have you watched Die Hard the movie? Yet John T makes fun of Tom C and uses Church of Scientology type manipulation on Kevin Hart Intriguing.
Speaker 2:I watched it. It was awesome, Yep, I did. I just watched the clip of it.
Speaker 1:but yeah, it was funny yeah yeah that's so weird to me that he's doing that. That's great, I love it. I mean I'm gonna watch the movie. I normally I'm I have a hard note don't support um, those kind of things, but um. But I know claire's been watching that handmaid's tale, so I'm gonna watch a. Kevin hart, john for the record.
Speaker 2:I did that so I could keep notes of the reasons why Elizabeth Moss is a hypocrite, and it's because I read the book.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say didn't you read the books?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know it's not my fault that, whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, Robert King.
Speaker 1:I thought I read somewhere that disconnection was only used as a last resort, if all other handlings were unsuccessful. To handle antagonism, robert, yes, it is used as the last resort, but there's only like two or three resorts before that.
Speaker 2:So in our case, like in my case, speaking for me personally the thing that I did wrong was escape, and the day after that they disconnected my family from me. They called them in and said you can't ever talk to her again. So yeah, there was no, there were no middle steps.
Speaker 1:To be fair, there is a policy which L Ron Hubbard wrote about the international headquarters, and that is if you escape you. Well, I have to back up a little bit. I have to prep the statement. In Scientology there's an L Ron Hubbard policy that says you never, ever, close the door on somebody. You always leave the door just to crack open. And that's what the ADE steps are. The ADE steps are that crack in the door that you can do and get back into Scientology.
Speaker 1:And his reasoning is like listen, people are basically good and you know, we don't want to. We don't want to. What does he say? We don't want to ruin their entire eternity, so we let them. We let them come back. If they prove that they're worthy, we'll let them back in. Ok, so that's that.
Speaker 1:For the imp base there's a separate policy which is written just to the imp base, which is if you escape from the imp base, they weld and this is L Ron Hubbard's word, they weld the door shut with an atomic branding iron, door shut with an atomic branding iron. So once you escape and you're a suppressive person, it's sort of like you've done the heavy lifting for me, scientology. I know you're not going to let me back and l ron hubbard said you're not supposed to let me back. So let's do this. And, to be fair, they have let some of the base people back, but not because l ron hubbard said not to, but because they found out when you create people like sp tv, that doesn't work out well too well for scientology. So let's just let those people come back so we can take them off the board and we don't have to worry about them being a thorn in our side.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Andy, fabulous Is this? Did I do this? Oh no, this is another Andy fabulous. Uh, super chat.
Speaker 1:I'm a Catholic and listening to all the people who've blown, I sense that most, if not all, of you have no spiritual faith anymore. You only trust in your spouse, but not in a greater being. Are your kids affected? Trust in your spouse, but not in a greater being. Are your kids affected? Well, I wouldn't say that I'm not. I didn't say that I wasn't spiritual. I said that I don't believe and I don't really subscribe to organized religion. I am.
Speaker 1:I am very spiritual and I do think that there is some sort of master plan and there's sort of rhyme or reason to this thing. Um, I'm not. I don't think we all spontaneously combusted in a sea of mud or anything. I think there's some kind of something's happening here that's not normal. Um, I'm not going to pretend to know what it is, but I believe my part of that is to try to do more good than bad and try to contribute and not try to just take, take, take.
Speaker 1:And I want to say that since leaving Scientology and sort of thinking, okay, like I don't have a compass anymore, I need to have a compass. That's been my compass Try to do more than good. If you're going to work at something, do good work. If you're going to make a product, make a quality product. If you're going to help somebody, really help somebody. You know that kind of thing and that's been working out amazingly for me and I think that's. I don't think. I don't think that I'm not spiritual. No, we let, and we let our kids, just so you know, we've had our kids go to, like I want to say, sort of religious schools where they have a certain belief system. We've had our kids go to um they've gone to youth group youth group at different churches.
Speaker 1:They, they wanted to go. We said go um if you like it.
Speaker 2:You like it we're just not going to make them prescribed to a belief I'm not gonna but we've told them we accept people of all, all beliefs and we're just and again speaking for myself and not what we've told our kids. I'm just traumatized by the thought of organized religion, but the serenity prayer is very meaningful to me personally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Anyway, I think we answered the question.
Speaker 2:Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1:We let people I really do, even with Scientology when we get them out, when we've gotten people out of the Sea Org. Mike Rinder is a perfect example. When Mike left the Sea Org and escaped, he still believed in Scientology. He just thought that the Sea Org was bad and David Miscavige wasn't the nicest guy in the world. And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. And he was like, but I still believe in the technology. And I was just like, ok, no problem. And we hung out, we did in the technology. And I was just like, okay, no problem. And we hung out. We, we did things with them. And I and you know private with claire, I'd be like I give it a year or two, you know like he'll, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 1:You know, and almost for the most part, um, people kind of unsubscribe to the scientology way when they find out, when they do their research and they find out more information, they hear different things and they they come to whatever their conclusion and if they still believe that Scientology helps them, then I'm fine with that. If you're in the middle of Massapequa doing TRs, that ain't hurting anybody. It's the elder abuse and locking people up and beating people up. That's mostly the nonsense that's going on. You don't have to not believe in Scientology to not support the abuse. It's two separate things. But most of the time, once you leave and you're not getting abused and you find out there's other things out there, you might subscribe to something else.
Speaker 2:That's how it is. The only time I really took offense was when somebody was like oh, what's wrong with you is you're a bypass case? I'm like, oh hell, no, we're stopping right there. You do not tell me what I'm going to think or do or anything else, walk away that the bypass case.
Speaker 1:It's just a Scientology kind of term, for you have something wrong with you that somebody hasn't addressed or somebody hasn't isolated, didn't fully complete a level or something and that's what's wrong with you that somebody hasn't addressed or somebody hasn't isolated.
Speaker 2:You didn't fully complete a level or something and that's what's wrong with you. I'm like, oh hell, no, that is not what's wrong with me.
Speaker 1:Part of the brainwashing is they have all the reasons why Scientology doesn't work, and it's usually I want to say, 99% of the time it's you, not them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Jen Nelson, I'm in awe of how compassionate all of you are. I'm of the mindset hate the sin, not the sinner. Yeah, exactly I agree. It's not the exactly you said it. It's not the-.
Speaker 2:Kill them with kindness.
Speaker 1:Exactly, you get it. Love Food Kitchen. Claire, you mentioned living in Rottingdean, my old hood. Was it just a random place you lived or was it connected to the Church of Scientology FOLO office that was at Rottingdean Place? Why was that there so random?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was definitely that building. It was St Mary's. It was called St Mary's and I don't know why it was there. It was very random.
Speaker 1:It's probably just a cheap piece of real estate they could scoop up at one point and they just left it there for the rest of time. Yeah, elisa 1704 says what a kind, caring interview with Jefferson Another heartbreaking experience. Please tell me why sadistic psychopath DM would throw out an intelligent, successful Scientologist out of the cult. Yeah, that's another great one. Claire did this interview with Jeff. Jeff was never trying to leave, he was trying to be a great contributor.
Speaker 2:And he accomplished amazing things, Like the amount of people that commented on that interview like, oh my gosh. Yes, I remember those Dianetics commercials from the 80s. Yeah, yeah there was a guy guy that Claire interviewed. Oh my gosh. Yes, I remember those Dianetics commercials from the 80s.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, there was a guy that Claire interviewed, jeff Hawkins. It's in the Scientology Story series. It's one of the last interviews that she did. He was the guy who created this Dianetics TV ad where it went do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do do and then a volcano exploded and a Dianetics book came forward. He was the guy who thought that up and it sold. I want to say they sold millions of, or they sold more Dianetics book than anything else they did. That ad sold more Dianetics books and they just kicked that guy until he wouldn't take it anymore and he finally escaped and then he wrote a bunch of books about all this, the stuff that happened, and they Scientology does really do its uh best to get rid of good, uh, smart, well-intentioned people yeah, and I think specifically Miscavige targeted intentionally anyone that he felt threatened by or who had personal interaction with L Ron Hubbard when he had very little.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was the other thing I was going to say. You've got to watch this video. They talk about it more there. But at the base, whenever you're in Scientology, you always do these IQ tests and it's a Scientology IQ test. It doesn't have any Scientologies in it, but it's written and made by Scientology to. When you do auditing no matter what you do in Scientology auditing or counseling your IQ keeps increasing and it's rigged that way by Scientology and so most of us had very, very high IQ. Because you take these IQ tests, you could take one. You could take one of these IQ tests 10 times a year. So you take that 10 times a year for 20 years. You're going to get a good score 20 years in. But David Miscavige had everybody do a real IQ test from the log world and Jeff Hawkins got the highest score of anyone on that property. I don't remember what it was, but it was like Mensa level scores and he scored way higher than anybody else. Coincidentally, david Miscavige did not take a test, of course he didn't.
Speaker 1:But ever since that, I think that's when Jeff's problems got very complicated, because he was testing-wise, the smartest person on that property and David the Scavage and everybody else on the property knew it, and I want to say he was gone within a few years of that. It didn't take long. Okay, here's John Satowski again for the SP shop. Blown for good board game like the game life, but with Scientology terms and acts. I think that's a great one. I was thinking of SPopoly. So you have different SeaWorld bases on each stretch of the board and then you could have like ogh and you could have yeah, the hole.
Speaker 2:Oh, the hole is where you would end up if you go to the go straight to the whole rehabilitation project course or, yeah, the whole go straight to the hole, anyway, that's a good get.
Speaker 1:Beans and rice, that's a good idea, john, I will give you that one, that one's a good one complicated, expensive and very detailed, but a great idea. Shannon Graves, longtime listener, first-time caller, I've had the Blown for Good in my Audible queue for a while, going to listen now. Well, thank you, shannon.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. Thank you, Shannon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you like. You know people love to say like this guy loves to listen to him, talk, loves to listen to him talk, talk. Um, if you like listening to me talk uh, then you can get the audible uh version of my book blow for good on audible, yeah, audiobook, our oldest son is listening now and he's thoroughly enjoying it. Oh my goodness, I know, this is like oh boy yes ken's channel.
Speaker 1:Thanks, ken, I haven't seen you in a while. Maybe Maybe he has, but I just don't remember. I think I've been fair-gamed. I answered a Scientology question about TC. You are reported Hate speech, serious attacks on a group. Second, I was on staff for 29 years and did the RPF and what you claim is clearly BS. Oh, my goodness, I think I've been fair-gamed. Yeah, scientology gets very excited on Twitter. They have. Well, scientology has this thing called the Bridge to Total Freedom and I say, if you've got a bridge, you're bound to have trolls, and they have a lot of trolls. There is a lot of Twitter trolls that are working it up for Scientology. Thank you, ken Kay Miller.
Speaker 1:I'm on a book moratorium until I move in June, but I'm very tempted by your book. Must stay strong. Also, did you see the Depeche Mode profile in New York Time this Sunday? Yes, and I think I didn't think it was this Sunday, I thought it was. I thought I think it was a few Sundays ago. But either way, yes, I saw a profile and, yeah, you could get the book. I mean, if we get yeah, we've gotten a whole whopping seven subscribers this time If you don't push the subscribers, you do not get the subscribers.
Speaker 2:I know people were complaining that we were stat pushing, but I was like well, we had fun with it, we got to give give away some awards. Live that was fun.
Speaker 1:We are down to the last questions. Guys, we're about to do the shoes and the bobbleheads. Um, oh, I got rid of it. It was a question about it said does Mark talk in his sleep? Love you too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mark does not, but our, our other, our middle son does. We have some hilarious conversations because I respond, because you know that's what I'm trained to do.
Speaker 1:Well, oh really Also, claire does talk in her sleep as well.
Speaker 2:I still have yeah, I still have nightmares. I'll be honest.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but most of the time when I hear you talking about stuff, it's not nightmarish, it's just you're just like talking about something. But I try to get her, I try to activate like a conversation. I'll be like she'll be like, oh, I didn't know you were going to go there. And I'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go to the store and pick some stuff up. You want anything and I'll try to. But usually when I do that she's like, eh, stop, she wakes up when I, when I do it.
Speaker 2:Actually, you just reminded me of the time when you were you'd gotten home late, when we were still in the Sea Org and I and we were going to miss the bus. So I started spraying you with a spray bottle and you were like, eh, it's raining, I it's raining. I'm like, oh my God, Get up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would sleep to the very last second.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Like if we had to leave to get the bus at 745, I would sleep till 743.
Speaker 2:And it's not like you could just walk in. I mean, it's a good like 20 minute drive, so if you miss the bus, you're.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why it was like a lot of like getting dressed on the bus. Well, that's why it was like a lot of like getting dressed on the bus, like you would bring your shoes or bring something with you and just put it on while you're on the bus.
Speaker 2:The amount of times people would be running to the bus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right with the shoes underneath and the shirt untied and like oh good, Good times Good times so much fun.
Speaker 1:Evelyn Vollmer. Love you too, from Cornville, arizona. Thank you, evelyn, appreciate it. Um, have you seen henning health's art, some of his, some of it's kind of creepy glad I purged the geo. Oh gosh, the cfb character. We've got all these characters. We got these. What's his name? Uh, clearwater chad, and we got jerry from sarasota. Now we got co bill, seal bilf, um, anyway, um, henning held was a guy that was in the guardian's office. He was one of the people that was convicted and prosecuted and sent to jail for the largest infiltration into the united states government in its history. Mark Fisher, hi, mark. And Claire, hi, hi, mark, hi, mark. Mark did two interviews with Claire too. Get those and go to our channel. Oh, here it is, mark Fisher Coming soon. Janice Grady and I are joining SPTV. Erin's interview with Janice went live today tearing it up. Stay tuned. Love you and Mark, mark and Claire. Yes, thank you, mark, yeah, that's awesome Mark.
Speaker 1:We're getting a lot.
Speaker 2:We are growing this SPTV network folks. Yeah, Stay tuned.
Speaker 1:Free of the dog Hi from Sweden. Mark, how did you propose to Claire? You two are such a cute couple. I just said, hey, you want to get married.
Speaker 2:that was pretty much it on like the first day no, not the first day well, I think it was that day that we went to the event no, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2:I think. So it was really soon and I was like oh my goodness it was after a week or so oh, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:I do, I do, yeah, no, I I locked it up first I was. I was very surprised, and then I was like well, there were many rendezvous before that okay I'm telling you, I know it was of the two of us, we can both agree. One of us has a much more detailed memory than I.
Speaker 2:I remember plenty of details.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Apollonia, you say you won that one. You have won all of them. You all rock, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, we joke Fancypants, RN. If anyone in the chat would forego a coffee treat once or twice a month and give that to the Aftermath Foundation, think of the lives we can change. Yeah, that is one of the other reasons we started doing this was just to bring more awareness to the Aftermath Foundation so we could help people get out of there or start new lives. Ernie Milo 499. Thank you, super sticker. Thank you, ernie. We appreciate every super sticker and every super chat and most of the questions too.
Speaker 1:Tarkina Meyer, those ads almost hooked my mom. She was a single mother and was susceptible. Luckily she had strong religious background so she wasn't falling for a false religion. Yeah, those Dynx ads did get a lot of people in. We know you're not here for the stats. Love to you both. Thank you, destiny. Yeah, we do like subscribers, but we have a lot of viewers. So we appreciate the viewers and the subscribers are a bonus. But you know what it's time for now? It's time for some bobblehead picks. This is the winner of last week and this is Pie Face bobblehead. Pie Face bobble render. Um, somebody messaged me. I don't know if it was the person who took the picture, but somebody messaged me and said oh no, that's not pie face, that's a commercial that's going around about a drug you can take like some kind of pharmaceutical.
Speaker 1:Um, I'm pretty sure this is pie face, because we did a whole uh, we've done many videos and we've talked about this Pie Face thing very many times and Mike Rinder was one of the Pie Face champions of the world, according to David Miscavige. So this was the winner of the of last week's Bobble Picks and that's Pie Face, bobble Rinder. So if you are the person who sent this, claire will be sending you a book, a bobblehead or a bracelet. You get to pick, you get to win. He's probably going to want a bracelet or a book because he's already got a bobblehead. Um, I always I always forget to mention that when we're talking about that with but you could get, um, you could get another bobblehead and give it to somebody if you wanted, and somebody says wait, is that Aaron's background?
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:No, it is not Aaron's background, because Aaron's background is wide. Keep it wide. Side to side, these are portrait pieces of wood, and Aaron doesn't have any portrait pieces of wood. These are up and down positioned.
Speaker 2:So this is the winner of last week, and now we'll go through the ones that we have this week Somebody says I need a pie face sign so I can hold it up every time you mention that I wrote a K-R on you.
Speaker 1:Yes, that would be so amazing oh my gosh, that would be funny. I'm not the one who brings these things up. These are comments or stories, and somehow we get right around.
Speaker 2:One thing leads to another and somehow all roads lead back to Rome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Okay. Next one is oh, this is a Scientology volunteer, minister van, and somebody has taken a picture of a Boba Render with that, so most likely they either found it or they went to the organization where there was one of these things. So this is Mike Render, the volunteer, with the volunteer, minister van. This one, oh, this is another in the series.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're all from Battle Creek.
Speaker 1:Oh, battle Creek. Oh yeah, look at, this is the best thing. And we're going to make a collection of these. Yeah, we're going to make a collection. I was thinking because we're going to do the shoops and the bobbleheads once a month. I was thinking of one once a year, just doing a video that's just all the bobblehead pics and the SP shoots of the whole year.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And what you'll see from these Scientology organization pics. Look at the parking lot. Here's one vehicle, it's there. That's it. That's Scientology in a nutshell.
Speaker 2:Osa, you are not clearing the planet, so how about you come on out and start living a real life?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Then somebody said what a huge thumb. You know, it's really funny. I have thumbs like that. I've got a roofer thumbs. I used to be a roofer when I was a kid for my dad and my thumbs are very fat. Scientology, batacreek, all are welcome. Oh, and this is another one, this, this Marilyn didn't make this.
Speaker 2:No, this was inspired by Marilyn. That's why I threw it in here.
Speaker 1:This is a mini.
Speaker 2:Because it's always worth bringing up Marilyn and other creative viewers. This is a baby, xenu.
Speaker 1:Yeah, baby Xenu crochet. What is the world coming to People? People have got a lot of time on their hands to make fun stuff. Yes, okay, that was the bobbleheads of the week, so vote which one of those you like. I mean, really, it was just Battle Creek, that was it. That's why we're going to do these once a month. The well is starting to dry up on bobbleheaded shoops.
Speaker 2:Okay, unless unless the lady that was going to make the cake with a bobble mic.
Speaker 1:We'll just stockpile them, yeah we'll do one once a month. It'll be awesome, but before we get too off the track, we've got the shoops. These are the David Miscavige Shoops of the Week. This is the winner from last week and this is David Miscavige Shoops of the Week. This is the winner from last week and this is David Miscavige the Troll. We talked about it earlier. You've got a bridge. You've got some trolls. Well, there's a little troll under this bridge and it says Imaginary Bridge Out. And it's got Grant Cardone, that I can't remember her name, that Katie or whatever that gal was that did the silly video with apostate Alex.
Speaker 2:Katie Wait with apostate Alex, you mean with Andrew gold.
Speaker 1:Andrew gold sorry yeah. Yes, katie Lohman. Um, I think it was apostate Alex who went on there and was asking her some questions when she was doing it, that's how I got a positive Alex mixed up in there. And then it's got Tommy Davis. And then who's that? Tom Cruise, or I don't know who it is. Anyway, it's David Miscavige with a bunch of money. And then he's got a bunch of Chase credit cards in his hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like the line, the caption.
Speaker 1:It's great Scientology, where the troll is real and the bridge is a fairy tale. Okay, so that's the winner of last week. So if you sent that one in book, bobblehead or bracelet for you, you win.
Speaker 2:Shoot me an email.
Speaker 1:You're the winner. This is the carrot top, the new carrot top. Scientology is working. And it's got David Miscavige on. He's got a carrot top wig on, he's on a surfboard. And then he's got a picture of Shelly and then Marty in the back, marty Rathbun in the background. It says keeping it wide, keeping it wide. Chairman of the board. B-o-r-e-d and, yeah, tribute to Norm MacDonald. That's what it says in the corner there. So there you go, so that you go. So that's surfing. We'll call it Carrot Top Dave.
Speaker 1:And this one, I like this one, I like this one. It's just it's good. The other thing I like is it's got Scientology. It's a picture at their big blue building in Los Angeles called the Complex. It's got a flying saucer up there and then it's got L Ron Hubbard is in a flying saucer and then it's got this alien looking fella here in the on the right side.
Speaker 1:But what I like about these pictures is I can use them as thumbnails because you've got to give me some area at the bottom for the lower thirds, for the titles, and if you guys are going to send in shoops or you're going to send in funny things, just give me some space at the bottom, the lower third of the screen is for titles. Keep everything up in the upper two thirds of the screen. And if you send me one and I like it and it's high quality, like this one, I'll use it as the thumbnail, like I did for this video. I'm pretty sure this is the thumbnail that I used. So if you want me to use your shoop or your picks or whatever as a thumbnail, give me some room for the titles at the bottom and uh, you're going to find out that, uh, I'll use it and this was a prostate Amanda's uh shoop and that's the one I use for the thumbnail. So thank, you.
Speaker 2:And yes, Catherine Olson, I will get you a baby Z new.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean we're going to start a crow. We, yeah, I mean we're gonna start a crow, we're gonna have a crochet, uh, network going on, we're promoting more crochet makers, or what do you call it? When somebody crochets?
Speaker 1:you call it crafter crafters crafters yeah, I'm all about crafters and makers. I love that. I love people. I love buying things. We go to a uh like a place here in our town where they sell little knickknacks from crafters and stuff like that oh, Lucky CG just named this one Brilliant Close Encounters of the Worst Kind. Yes, there you go, amanda, perfect. So, if you like Amanda's, it's Close Encounters of the Worst Kind. That's what we're calling this one.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:The Apostate, amanda's Shoop. Oh, this is another good one. Church of scientology, I stand tall. Another perfect shoop. They could be a little bit more room on the bottom and it's kind of square, but what are you gonna do? But it's got a picture of uh, of uh. What's his name?
Speaker 1:the uh elf, uh, buddy the elf with dave as david miscavige and I Tall. To be fair, David Miscavige is more appropriately that South Pole elf that is also in that movie, but it says Church of Scientology, I Stand Tall. And then it's got David Miscavige and I think he is on like a. It's like a crate or some kind of apple box.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So we'll call this one I stand tall, dave, if you like, I stand to or David the elf, and this is a supermarket Dave, supermarket sweep. Oh, t writers block edition. And it's got. He took all the good stuff and it's got body and body Thetans and body Thetans and body Thetans and body Thetans and body thetans and body thetans and body thetans and body thetans and ows and body thetans and it's hubbard. That's got all this. And um, david miscavige is left with nothing left to write up for the ot levels. Supermarket sweep, dave, uh, oh, wow, this one is very busy. The bridge to the bridge to total freedom will cost you all your money, your family, all your time, your freedom, education, oh no proper education.
Speaker 1:No childhood, no sleep, brainwashing, physical abuse. And then it's got an upside down cross at the top. And then it's got Hub Tard with a big stack of money. And then David Miscavige is the one pitching all this the bridge to total freedom. Okay, so this is bridge to Total Freedom, dave. Wow, this, oh my gosh, we got to get. This is like I got to stretch. I got to stretch for this one Scientology, l Ron Hubbard, birthday Bash and Mud.
Speaker 2:Instead of a pool party, it's a mud wallow.
Speaker 1:Mud wallow. It's got danger. I got to make this big. This is a lot of you know, I'm an old man now. Danger quick stands, stay away. And then it's got something else that's too tiny. This is for rent. It's got a picture with Lou oh and they're all babies. It's got Ken Mock. It's got a picture with Lou oh and they're all babies. It's got Ken Mock. It's got a Ken Moxon baby, a Tom Cruise baby, a David Miscavige baby playing with this little free wind ship. It's got Danny Masterson and a Larry Stuckenbrock. And then it's got a giant L run Hubbard with a big, fat butt that David Miscavige is sitting on. And then it's got Shelly that's saying help and she's in the mud. And then it's got a WTF two scrolls like WTF. Oh, my goodness, yeah, okay, so this is the birthday mud wallow. So if you like the birthday mud wallow, vote for that one.
Speaker 1:This is sham de land. I guess it's a parody of Candyland. It says the Church of sacment, all its gamut ology presents, sham de land. It's got a picture of hub hubbard. He's got his little Kings wand, and then it's got Dave with some lollipops, and then it's got Kirstie Alley, danny Masterson, john Travolta and Tom Cruise, they're getting audited on soup cans. There's a Mike Rinder bobblehead. Somebody somewhere has got a big. Oh, david Miscavige has got a bunch of cash. Yeah, so Brown Era Productions.
Speaker 2:Instead of so Brown. Era Productions Instead of Golden.
Speaker 1:Brown Era Productions, sps three and plus Five billion 2.4 Thetans pills not included. Oh, my goodness, that's a busy, busy, busy. Photoshop or shoop. Thank you for that. So that's Shambaland, if you want to vote for that. Oh, this is Twin Peaks Arnold Schwarzenegger and David Miscavige. Twin Peaks Hiding Shelley, coming 13 March 2024.
Speaker 1:And then it's got David Miscavige standing up to leaning up against Schwarzenegger, like the movie. And then it says SP TV presents Mark and Claire Headley production, a film by Aaron Smith Levin with Mike Rinder, music supervision Mark Bunker, casting by Amy Scobie, executive producer Leah Remini and editor Goliath. The SP dog Nice.
Speaker 1:So Twin Peaks, hiding Shelly, that's that one. That's a good one, Thank you guys. And then that one, that's a good one, Thank you guys. And then this one is oh my goodness, this is a lot of text Introducing the premiere edition of the Galactic Warriors of the Federation. This is the first in a series Future products to include trading cards, board games, sticker books, coloring books, computer games, everything, Investor inquiries welcome Warriors of the Federation. And then it just has superpower rundown stance and I guess each person will have a card. And this is commander McSavage, known destructive mechs crippling grasp. Oh, it's got a whole bunch of stuff. You can pause it If you want to read that. It's too. My eyes are not what they used to be folks and I've got this little screen that I um preview everything on. So there's a known let me.
Speaker 2:Just read the last one. It says wall of fire protective curtain of flame provides concealment but is not an obstacle. That's good.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then, oh, that was it. So vote for your best ones, which Shoop you like the best, and that person will be the winner of a Shoop, a bobblehead or a bracelet. A Shoop away a book, a bobblehead or a bracelet to a random person on the channel. So if you do want to book a bobblehead or a bracelet, then go down in the comments and say I want a book, I want a bobblehead or I want a bracelet, and then when we tick over another thousand subscribers, claire randomly picks somebody and they are the winner. So if you want one of those, make a comment in the video below and we'll try to get to you.
Speaker 1:We'll just do some housekeeping here real quick. All copies of Blown for Good that are purchased through blownforgoodcom will be signed by myself and Claire, and we have paperbacks and we have hardbacks left and, to tell you the truth, folks, we have been selling so many books in the last year or so, with the Aftermath show and the YouTube videos and all the interviews and stuff we've been doing. We have a few hundred paperbacks.
Speaker 2:Yes, we have a few hundred paperbacks.
Speaker 1:Yes, we have a few hundred paperbacks left and several hundred less than a thousand hardbacks left and then that's it. We're out. We're not printing them another one. The next book we print is going to be Claire's book. So if you do want a hardback or a paperback print Some people like a physical book instead of the Kindle or the Audible If you want one of those we're gonna sell out probably before the end of this year. We're gonna have none left. I wanna say, with the rate we're going it'll be, we'll sell out of at least the paperback by the end of the year, I think, or very close to it with the amount that we're doing. And we've got some special projects and stuff coming up where we're probably going to sell a bunch of books doing that. So if you want a copy, they're signed and they're hard or paperbacks.
Speaker 2:And my next interview will be with Tori Kreisman-Magu, so that'll be awesome. Somebody was just asking if she's going to be showing up.
Speaker 1:Yes, claire's going to be showing up.
Speaker 2:Yes, she's pretty much the original SPTV network.
Speaker 1:She is. She's one of the very first people that would do videos on YouTube and she did a lot and she helped a lot of people, including myself. When I got out and I saw that people were talking about Scientology and nothing real. They were just harassing them, I was like I could do that. I don't mind getting harassed here and there a little bit. I mean, they've gone a little far over the years, which has been kind of rough, but whatever, we're still here, tori's still around, we're still doing our thing.
Speaker 2:So it wasn't bad enough to stop us. Yeah, she has an amazing story, but one tidbit that she told me today when I was talking with her is that when she started speaking out, somebody from inside Scientology messaged her and said keep speaking out. As long as you're speaking out, they cannot shut you down. It's like that's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:I believe it. If you don't want to blow for good book or you don't care about getting a signed copy, you can go to Audible or Kindle and get that, and if you don't care about the book at all and you just want to support the Aftermath Foundation, all proceeds of the spshopcom go to the Aftermath Foundation to help people start their lives over or if they need help getting out of Scientology. We do that sometimes as well, and we sell bobbleheads and SP bracelets at the SP shop dot com and that supports that. So if you want one of those, that's why we do it. They're fun but it's for a good cause and it's a way you can get a trinket. Some people like merch, some people don't, and the people that don't want merch that do want to support the Aftermath Foundation. You can just go to theaftermathfoundationorg and there's a donate button there. You can just donate directly to the foundation itself and otherwise there's also ways that you can volunteer. So, say, we need some help in a certain area, and you can volunteer for different things that you'd be willing to help with, whether it's a place to stay or a ride to the airport or if you've got some extra clothes you can give somebody, whatever it is. There's a donate form on the aftermathfoundationorg and that's where you could do that there. And then again, if you haven't subscribed, there's all sorts of thoughts, schools of thought on the subject.
Speaker 1:The more subscribers you have, the algorithm thinks that more people want to watch that, so then they put it on other people's pages. We do know that about half the people that watch our videos are not subscribed. So while there are a lot of people that comment and a lot that watch our videos are not subscribed. So while there are a lot of people that comment and a lot of regulars that are here, that's a very, very small percentage of the people that watch these videos. And I mean we've got videos on here that have been watched 80,000 times and I got 27,505 subscribers.
Speaker 1:So if you want to subscribe, it helps us and it's free. You don't have to pay to subscribe. There's somebody told me that they couldn't afford a subscription. I was like dude, a youtube subscription to the channel. A youtube costs money to subscribe. If you want to not pay for ads and stuff like that, but to subscribe to a youtube channel is free, anyone can subscribe. It doesn't cost anything and, um, it's, it's good for the channel. So if you like the content that we're putting out, subscribe, and it doesn't hurt to hit the like button every once in a while either.
Speaker 2:And shout out to Goldie, the amazing moderator that we have, and thank you, clara, for the email. I really appreciate it. So there you go.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Well, we did good tonight, folks. Uh, just a little over two hours, so thank you for all you guys who stuck around until the very end of the video. Um, claire's got some, uh, scientology stories.
Speaker 1:If you want more content, I've got the spy files which we're doing some more spy files this week as well and then there's all sorts of past lives that we've done where we've answered all sorts of other questions and told other kind of stories, and then another type of video that we have that some people aren't aware of is that I have all these videos that I did Years and years ago before I was appearing on camera, but Is all of the hate sites that have been set up by former members.
Speaker 1:There's a list of those as a video. There's also a list of all of the websites Scientology has set up about David Miscavige, which we call David COB Vanity Sites or David Miscavige Vanity Sites, and then there's also a list of all of the people who have been declared enemies of Scientology. There's a list of those as a video. And, yeah, there's all sorts of other fun stuff down in the videos on this channel. So we have I want to say we have over 60, 70, maybe even up to 80 videos on the channel right now. So if you didn't catch us live or you're watching this on replay and you are interested in other stuff, then we have a ton of videos that you can watch, and you will learn a lot about Scientology by watching most of those. Oh, that's it, we're going to turn into pumpkins, folks.
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