Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Navigating Scientology's Alliances: Tom Cruise's Role, Farrakhan Dynamics, and Theological Tensions - Scientology Q&A #24 W/ Mike Rinder
This episode originally aired on April 23, 2023 on YouTube. Due to popular demand, these episodes are also being made available on the podcast.
This episode dives into the complex and controversial alliance between Scientology and the Nation of Islam, specifically focusing on Tom Cruise's ongoing recognition by the Simon Wiesenthal Center. We explore the implications of this relationship and examine the troubling intersections between celebrity, faith, and anti-Semitism.
• Discussion on the Wiesenthal Center’s award event and Tom Cruise's involvement
• Exploration of Scientology’s ties with the Nation of Islam
• Profiles of key figures like Tony Muhammad and their influence
• Examination of the anti-Semitic legacy of the Nation of Islam
• Engagement with audience questions about the intersection of beliefs
• Calls for greater awareness of the implications of such alliances
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Hi everyone. Welcome back, hi Mark.
Speaker 2:Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:Of course. Yeah, well, you know, we're stuck in the middle of nowhere, sitting in a hotel room. We might as well do something useful and productive without time.
Speaker 2:Right, and we're simul-streaming this, so it's on my channel and your channel at the same time.
Speaker 1:Exactly as we are bound to do, I think, every time. We do any video from now on, right, right, okay. The reason I wanted to do this video today is I saw a notification about an upcoming awards presentation, which we'll get to in the Jewish religion and very opposed to anti-Semitism, and they are good buddies with Tom Cruise. In fact, back in 2011, I think it was, they presented Tom Cruise with an annual Human Rights Award or something. Let me just see if I can find this. Yeah, there we go. The Wiesenthal Center honors Tom Cruise and three Medal of Valor honorees at its 2011 National Tribute Dinner. Okay, whatever, that's what they did back then. I don't know that, oh, wrong one. I don't know that, oh.
Speaker 2:My computer. I have this jury rigged little, I guess, so we got a sneak peek at your whole outfit over there.
Speaker 1:My computer fell off the almost fell off the desk. I grabbed it in time.
Speaker 2:How weird is that? That their event has the same name as Scientology's Medal of.
Speaker 1:Valor Yep, and that was in 2011. Now, subsequent to 2011, there has been and it may not have been so apparent, it may have started before 2011, but I think it really got going this unholy alliance between Scientology and the Nation of Islam after 2011. I don't really know for sure, but I think so. So I thought that it was kind of interesting that the Simon Wiesenthal Center has never apparently taken this up as an issue and in fact, this year, are again including Tom Cruise in their annual award dinner and you can see that here this is a report from the Hollywood Reporter, which is what brought this to my attention that they will have their National Trib tribute dinner and dinner chairs include Tom Cruise. Now, this is today. This is not 2011. This is today, and the world of Scientology and its interactions with and relationship with the Nation of Islam is a very different thing than it was back in 2011. Oh God, sorry, I've really got problems here. My feet are getting caught up in the cords. That's life on the road, man, life on the road. Okay, I don't think generally that certainly, if the Simon Wiesenthal Center was doing their due diligence, they would know what this means and the interaction between Scientology and the Nation of Islam. But the Nation of Islam and Scientology have basically become joined at the hip and Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, has promoted Dianetics heavily to its membership and has had a lot of Nation of Islam people go train to be Dianetics auditors and Scientology auditors and going into the organizations. If you go to the Church of Scientology in Washington DC, you'll see black men in bow ties and women almost exclusively at that particular church. You'll now see them in the Chicago church.
Speaker 1:But the most prominent of them was this guy, tony Muhammad. He goes by another name, malik Saeed, something or other Muhammad. It's also sort of coincidental. I featured him on my blog yesterday because this guy has made it all the way to Scientology level OT2. And he's in for a big surprise when he gets to OT3, and we'll talk about that in a minute. When he gets to OT3, and we'll talk about that in a minute. But Tony Muhammad was the, or is the, western Regional Director of the Nation of Islam in the United States. He is like second in command to Louis Farrakhan. Tony Muhammad is also the recipient of the Scientology Freedom Medal.
Speaker 2:The same one Tom Cruise got.
Speaker 1:Right, you can see him here, the IAS Freedom Medal winner 2017,. And here's Tommy Boy, the IAS Freedom Medal winner in 2004. Tommy got a bigger one than anybody else, but it's the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got the Flavor Flav edition Exactly.
Speaker 1:Tom Cruise did, yeah, and meanwhile Tony Moe got the regular one. But this is a very, very small group of people who have been recognized for this highest recognition and award in Scientology, the IAS Freedom Medal. Tom Cruise and Tony Muhammad are two of I don't know 50 or 60 people over the history of this thing who have been awarded this medal. They are recognized in Scientology as being leaders of the religion. They are recognized as being people that everybody should look up to. They are recognized as being people that everybody should look up to and they are understood to be models of what Scientologists should be in the world.
Speaker 1:That is what that medal is about. It is about we're holding up examples of people for all the rest of the Scientologists to follow. I mean, they have these people go out and do fundraising. They have them go out and do seminars, like, to this day, some of the beginning first IAS Freedom Medal winners are still going around all over the world being sent around to tell people you should be doing this, you should be doing that. They're like the sort of model citizens of Scientology.
Speaker 2:It's the highest award you can be bestowed upon in Scientology without paying money. All the other ones you get you have to pay millions and millions of dollars. This one, you just have to do a ton of stuff for Scientology.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right, and you have to be willing to keep pushing the Scientology message, and that is exactly what Tony Muhammad does. He is out selling Scientology as hard as he can. I mean that's partly because he gets a 10% commission on anything that he manages to sell but he's out there pitching Scientology. He continues to be the Western Regional Director of the Nation of Islam. Now I have done a lot of video I mean a lot of blog posts about Tony Muhammad and the statements that he has made that are horrendously, horrifically and terribly anti-Semitic, and I will put links to those in the description of this. Youtube is recognized as a hate group Since it started. Since it started, in fact, if you go to the ADL website, which is basically the foremost organization responsible for tracking anti-Semitism, you find this. When you look up Nation of Islam Nation of Islam big whole, it's got like all these sections, and here is the first one, the key facts, and this is how it starts.
Speaker 1:The Nation of Islam NOI is the largest black nationalist organization in the US has maintained a consistent record of anti-Semitism and bigotry since its founding in the 1930s. During his 40-year tenure as the NOI's leader, louis Farrakhan has built a legacy of divisiveness. As one of the most prominent anti-Semites in America. This is Tony Moe's boss. This is the guy that he answers to. He's the second in command to Tony Moe, so there's no doubt that it's not just.
Speaker 1:I'm just trying to make clear that it's not just some rogue individual. This guy represents the organization which is anti-Semitic to its core, and he is the perfect example of that organization. He also happens to be the perfect example of a Scientologist. He's a complete hypocrite. It's incredible how hypocritical this whole thing is. I mean, he just completed OT2. He's about to go on to OT3 and find out the whole Wall of Vias, xenu, intergalactic warlord, all that stuff. And yet the nation of Islam has their own, just as wacky the mother wheel, the mother wheel. And you know, louis Farrakhan says he was kidnapped and taken to the mother wheel up in the sky somewhere and it's waiting for them. I mean it's like the Hale-Bopp comet people.
Speaker 1:Yeah get your quarters ready, I know exactly, and your Nikes, yeah, get your quarters ready, I know exactly, and your Nikes, somehow or another. This, oh, let me just go on. Here is what the Southern Poverty Law Center says about the Nation of Islam A lengthy record of anti-Semitism, their anti-Semitic ideology, blaming Jews rather than the systemic racism infecting American institutions. This is the actual reality of Tony Muhammad and the Nation of Islam and Scientology's relationship with them. Yet the Simon Wiesenthal Center doesn't appear to be bothered by Tom Cruise's support of, association with and influence by this, this organization and one of its leaders. He has never come out and said nobody in Scientology has ever said a single thing about Tony Muhammad being an anti-Semite. They rail against hatred and bigotry and anti-religious and they say how terrible anti-Semitism is, and yet they promote this Tony Muhammad like he's some superstar of the Scientology organization and I guess he is.
Speaker 1:So this is truly puzzling. It is also truly rotten to the core that Scientology on one hand claims to be the champions of religious freedom, the most vocal opponents to bigotry and hatred and religious hatred on the entirety of the earth, that he is stuck to, this guy. He has never said a thing about how wrong this is. He has never criticized the guy, and the Simon Wiesenthal Center seems to love Tom Cruise. I don't get it. Maybe they don't know. Maybe they should watch this video. Maybe they should go see what Tony Muhammad and Scientology are up to, because Tom Cruise is the poster child for Scientology Islam. He's the Scientology guy and they put him up and stick his face on everything, just like they stick Tony Muhammad's face on everything, and those two cannot coexist if there is any truth in what they do.
Speaker 2:I think there's about to be like a critical crossroads here, because if that Tony Muhammad guy he just finished, didn't he just finish OT2? So he's just about to find if he hasn't already, because if they announced that he did OT2, he's supposed to go right on to OT3. He might not already be just about to find out about Xenu and the intergalactic warlord and all this. If he thinks they have a mothership and Xenu's not going to take that thing out, I mean they're going to have. They're going to have. Maybe they're going to take the mothership and go defeat xenu with it. Maybe they're trying to get other space colts to get their uh, their uh fleet, to get a larger fleet or something. But I don't, I don't think those ideologies are gonna mash up.
Speaker 1:I don't think they're gonna line up the way they think they might yeah, I, I am sure they will not, and I don't want to just go on and on yakking, yakking about this particular subject. I just wanted to get everything laid out and all the documents there, and I'm going to put it on my blog too, with all these documents, so that there is a reference for people to go to and look at and find out what the real truth is, because it's not, it's not like, this is just a made up conspiracy theory. This, these are the, the documents, this is the evidence that this actually is happening, and the, the Simon Wiesenthal center should wake the fuck up. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do some research, man. Tom Cruise is not your guy.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Well, you know that the association with the Nation of Islam was a money thing from the get-go, of course. No, no that. But I'm saying, yeah, I know the Tom Cruise thing absolutely. But I'm just saying how did this relationship come about? It came about when Scientology was trying to find some people from the black community that would come into the organizations that David Miscavige had built in Inglewood and Harlem at the insistence of Isaac Hayes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was that whole Al Freddy and Doug E Fresh and that whole contingency. That was like hey, we got to get some more folks in here if this is going to work out for us, right, right, and I think it was Al Freddy that was the one who actually first got Tony Muhammad involved and then somehow that led them to some presentation that they did to Calypso Louis and then from there it went into. Oh yes, l Ron Hubbard. I mean, l Ron Hubbard the racist is touted by Louis Farrakhan, the anti-white guy, as being the savior of mankind and he even did. He even did a video about it, telling all his people that the great L Ron Hubbard founded a way for us to move. But I mean, I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:He hasn't. He hasn't heard the L Ron Hubbard, pretending to be a black person, talking to his hat lecture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So this is weird. I thought it was worthy of a quick live video. Today, For some reason, people seem to like live videos more than they do the pre-recorded ones. So actually it's easier to do live videos than pre-recorded ones. So I'm sitting there with Mark at lunch. Hey, should we do something? Yep, let's do it. Okay, so here we are. I don't want to make this a long video. We've got some questions here that we will answer that are a little. I'm sure some of them have nothing to do with this subject. I want to try and keep this relatively short. So if anybody from the Simon Wiesenthal Center or others do want to find out what's going on, they can watch the video and not see. Oh, it's three hours long. I ain't going to get involved in that, but you could also, if you're from the Simon Wiesenfall Center watching this or interested in what's going on with Tom Cruise, the Nation of Islam and Scientology. You can pretty much end it here, because we're about to start answering questions about Ritz crackers.
Speaker 2:You think we? Is that what some of the stars I just looked at the first one.
Speaker 1:Here we go. Okay, sometimes things are just spooky. I just saved this announcement for the live and clicked on it, liked it, and the first ad that comes up is for Ritz crackers.
Speaker 2:Hey, they know you guys are a bunch of cracker lickers, okay.
Speaker 1:Irene Hoffman, off topic. See, but did Scientology ever throw parties? Dances for any staff, sea Org parties where everyone danced, mingled and had fun together Back in the old days, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, back in the 90s that was sort of a thing we would have one like a New Year's party we would have after the New Year's event that we put on in Los Angeles, and sometimes we'd go to the New Year's event that we put on in Los Angeles and sometimes we go to the Bonaventure Hotel or what was the other one, the Biltmore. But after, I want to say after 1993, those were very few and far between Yep, I agree.
Speaker 1:Okay, Gareth Dixonu would love to see a who's who and who's left reaction to the mad picket mark bunker video from 2000 where bob minton was picketing in clearwater.
Speaker 2:I think the only person that's left from that whole thing is um paris, uh, the morphopolis, or how do you say his name? Yeah, morphopolis, morphopolis. I think he might be the only one of those people that's still kicking, and I think what's the OSA guy that's at Florida, ben Shaw?
Speaker 1:I think is Ben Shaw, glenn Stylo. Ben Shaw is still there, glenn Stylo is still there.
Speaker 2:I heard Glenn Stylo got shipped. I thought he got shipped off somewhere.
Speaker 1:I heard he got he might have. I mean, he was in charge of the immigration at Flag and the immigration at Flag is a little, a little a little shady.
Speaker 2:Well, not only is it a little shady, but I think the government might be on to that.
Speaker 1:After that article appeared. You could be right. He might have been shipped off to Denmark.
Speaker 2:I think they needed to make him South Africa or someone? Yeah, I think Not available. Yeah, not available for questions, because we have no idea where he is.
Speaker 1:He's just gone. He was here one day, gone the next. Yeah, apollonia Paradise. Oh my God, the SB network is connecting so many dots. Thank you, that's what we're trying to do. Actually, that's a great way of putting it. It's not all about crackers, folks. Yep, okay, kids, about to get my SPTV tattoo Film of 11. Oh my God. Okay, we'll be looking out for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's great content, maybe not the best decision.
Speaker 1:Kakatogi Road. Do you think that the NOI guys are getting truncated edited versions of the OT levels so to avoid theological contradictions with their beliefs? Nope, I do not. I believe that Scientology and David Miscavige believes that they are going to convert all of these people into Scientologists that are no longer associating themselves with the NOI yeah, and as soon as Louis Farrakhan figures that out, there is going to be a big, big come to Jesus or whatever. They have come to Muhammad meeting, I guess.
Speaker 2:It's not going to be pretty. A lot of those NOI guys work like private security for rappers and stuff like that. They're not a mess around and find out kind of crowd.
Speaker 1:Right, takina Maya. According to Aaron's recent show, it began back in 2005 when Louis Farrakhan first got involved. Yeah, that's probably right. It was probably 2005. I just couldn't remember Calico 26,.
Speaker 1:Did Hubbard write any policies about different religions? I've seen some posts from people saying you can be both, but I don't think that is true. Oh, that is absolutely not true. Hubbard absolutely did write saying you know, we're pan-denominational and we have no beef with other religions. And that's all PR. That is all just propaganda to try and avoid people not coming into Scientology because they think that they will have to give up their own religion in order to come into Scientology. So they're told at the beginning you don't have to. They're told as they progress you absolutely have to.
Speaker 1:In fact, amy Scobie and I did a whole video about this recently called the Easter Special. Can you be a Scientologist and a Christian too? Take a look at that. All the information is in there. We join a lot of dots there. So that will help you if you're curious. More than my answer, lisa Robinson, I'm so glad SPTV is exposing the two cults working together. I saw Aaron's before I went to work today. Thanks again for answering my questions, mike. Oh, you're very welcome, lisa. I don't know what Aaron did. I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2:I didn't see it either. Maybe he did. He did a whole video about this. The SPTV programming is aligning and we didn't even know it Exactly.
Speaker 1:Could be. Well, you know, he probably did it on the plane on the way to LA. Yeah, denver Stevo, do you think they, dm and his boys, are slow playing Tony M and keeping him at OT2 until they're sure he won't tear down the walls when he learns about Xeno? Well, no, I sort of answered that in the last answer. Yeah, I think that they think that they're converting him just as much as anything else. Oh, and hi to Osa from East Southern Louviers, colorado. Never heard of that place?
Speaker 2:No, he just is making up places that are close to where we live.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's like North Fair Play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and South Denver.
Speaker 1:Okay, Chi-Town Native question. So do you think, once they reach higher OTs and they read about the Overlord, isn't this against everything they believe in? Yes, that's exactly the point. It is absolutely against everything they believe in.
Speaker 2:If they have a whole nother origin story that doesn't include Lord Xenu messing up anything. Origin story that doesn't include Lord Zinu messing up anything.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's actually. That's actually all the start questions we have right now, but we do have some other ones. Yeah, I know, I'm just looking. It's so hard to read through those. I got them, okay.
Speaker 2:You can go to the start.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will Yep Hell run. Rubberd Glenn is now in charge of MRG Mike.
Speaker 2:Rinder's garbage, glenn. I think it's now Glenn.
Speaker 1:Maria Hi Maria, mike, is your boss not giving you time to check your email? Yes, I saw the email there. I saw all the stuff that you've sent to me. I just haven't had a chance to get back to you. Christy told me that all the things that you've been sending to our house have arrived. Thank you very much. I will. Once we're out of here in the next few days, my life will return to normal and I'll be able to catch up with all of that stuff. Lathanda Gronklinger, I prefer lives too recorded because I love to interact. Yes, I think that is really the reason I was going to say reason I was going to say.
Speaker 1:I know, even if we don't get to every question, we read a lot of them and it's just. It is nice. I mean it's nice from our perspective too, like I enjoy this way more than sitting, look, staring into a camera blankly by myself in a room by myself. It's just a nicer, nicer action.
Speaker 2:It's also easier just to read what we're doing. It's also easier for me when somebody else is on, when you're on or something, because I can just talk to somebody.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like I'm just talking to a camera and then not trying to exactly, and if I and I forget what I was going to say, I'm deer in the headlights. Diane Jean Valasilo, do we need to crochet a mothership now?
Speaker 2:No, no, oh my goodness, that poor, poor woman is just crocheting a giant space station of aliens.
Speaker 1:Oh, dear Jacob Hockey, do you believe that ex-NOI members who appeared on the aftermath had anti-Semitic views? I know that Hubbard had a history of racist comments, but not all Scientologists are racist. Can NOI members be in a similar category? Can NOI members be in a similar category? That's a terrific question and have to believe that everyone who isn't a Scientologist is either ignorant or evil, and or sub, yeah, below you in some way.
Speaker 2:Therefore, they are not evil and they're not a criminal. They're still below you, like intelligence wise and capabilities wise.
Speaker 1:Correct and that that is sort of part of being a part of the organization, but it doesn't mean that every person in Scientology cannot be an empathetic person, sure, so it's the people at the top that are kind of the ones that you can be absolutely certain that that's what their, their prejudices and biases are. As you get further and further down the totem pole, I think it's it's harder to generalize. That's about the best I can do to try and answer that one. Jacob, that's a great question, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would kind of tend to think it would be like you know. You know that Dave is very homophobic and he's very anything that's out a little bit not white bread. He hates and he is very against and wants to make an example of those people so that everyone below him sort of aspires to do that, to, to, to toe the line and show off to him. So I would, I would err on the side of thinking it might be that way over at that place too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably, of thinking it might be that way over at that place too. Yeah, probably, shea Anderson, it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it. That's a great quote. That is a great quote. I'm going to double star that one and keep it. Okay, let's see what's this. If you could play a game of Scrabble using only Scientology terms, which words would score the highest points? Oh my God, that's like a brain teaser. Well, xena would be pretty good, because the X is a big 10-pointer or something.
Speaker 2:That's right and also that's a yeah, I don't know. I think that might be. There's other kinds of long, like nomenclature and other words. They use a lot in there Only Scientology terms, though I don't know if there's another lot of long ones like that. I think that's. I think Xenu is a good one.
Speaker 1:Steve Britton, adl was a decent source, but SPLC is utterly discredited. They label conservatives as bigots and had to pay defamation settlement to Majid Nawaz. Oh, oh, wow, sorry, you got, you got one of them right.
Speaker 2:You got one of them right.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 2:Okay, they both more or less said the exact same thing. In that case, it's just a multiple sources kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Valerie Boljak Aaron has non-Super Chat. Start with question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're fine, that's true. We did say that the other night, I think on a live, didn't we? Was that Aaron who said that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he did. Queen Diva. I've been following you guys since early aftermath days, love watching and support what you do. My bobblehead is part of my own videos. Oh, that's cool. I love it when the bobblehead appears Just scrolling down here.
Speaker 2:Question.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to look for ones that say question yeah, there's some, uh, super, some start super chats that say question even oh, I see, let's see maji. Ah, thank you maji. Uh, anthony spurgeon, if masterson is found guilty, would will scientology denounce Great question? Almost without doubt they will claim that they knew nothing about it, that it was all you know he was a rogue element he had you know he was outside the scope of Scientology ethics, that they had actually thrown him out, like that's what we're going to start hearing. It'll be like the same story that they give about me and Mach and Claire and Leah and oh yeah, we threw them out After they escaped.
Speaker 2:We threw those guys out After they, after they, after they escaped and quit, we fired them. Yep, exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly them. Yep, exactly, exactly. Okay, let's see Chi-Town Native question. Since the baby boss is hidden, do you think he is aware of this explosive situation that is about to occur with the NOI? I don't know. I don't think he cares. I don't think he pays attention to stuff like that. He cares, I don't think he pays attention to stuff like that. I think that he is probably the one that's saying get Tony Muhammad through OT3. We will turn him into a cold chrome steel dedicated.
Speaker 2:Scientologist and you can guarantee when it goes sideways there's going to be about five people that he's going to be able to blame for it. That's his MO. Whenever he says to do something and it goes horribly wrong because it was a monumentally stupid idea, he then blames it on all the people that he told to do it to.
Speaker 1:Right Rain virus. Thank you, Fayota. Did you guys check out Aaron's video on this iOS situation from yesterday? Very informative and detailed? Nope, no, we did not. We've been working exactly Fat Cats Heaven. Do regular Muslims think NOI is a squirrel group? Yes, they do. Louis Gilberto, SPTV fashion wearing an sp, the sp tartan and mark is playing the theta dot print.
Speaker 2:Each one of these dots represents one of the bts that I'm friends with. Yeah, I don't get rid of them. I you hang on to them. I collect them. Yeah, I'm picking up other people's body things in the elevator or in the breakfast book, you know.
Speaker 1:OK, Jacob Hockey back again. Since Masterson and the church are both defendants in the civil suit, how do you think a guilty verdict in this criminal case will impact the defense's strategy in the civil suit? Oh, a guilty verdict in the criminal case will impact their defense strategy. With how many zeros do you want on the check?
Speaker 2:Yeah, write the check because they're not. Yeah, that's going to be. That is going to be an interesting turn of events, once this all kind of plays out, to see what happens with all this other stuff.
Speaker 1:Right, okay so someone other stuff. Right, okay. So someone up here Aaron had the question on a non-super chat so he could grab them easier. Oh, okay, I see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so here.
Speaker 1:I'll get a few here. Richard Gibson, old Zinu is a high-scoring word. It cannot be used because it's a proper noun.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Look at that. That's true. We've got a real Scrabble guy here. He knew that Exactly. If I would have played it, we all would have went along with it. And then somebody would have said, hey, wait a minute, that's not legal.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay. Question Wouldn't it be reasonable, a reasonable thing, to assume that the SWC would practice tea? Well, that wasn't a good one, mark. Sorry, he forgot to finish typing. Question how about a polar opposites? It ain't going to be pretty. Oh, that I 100% agree with. Yeah, that is, it is not going to be pretty.
Speaker 2:Let's see if I can find that. Jeffrey guys, if he, if he did another one, that was actually complete Sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm looking here too. Yeah, I didn't. We don't have a usual assistance on the job here today, just Mark and me wobbling our way through this, doing what we can to keep people happy, I'm going to put this one up here.
Speaker 2:See if I can keep your BTs and you're never alone. I'm not talking to myself, I'm talking to Tom, dick and Harry here that hang out with me at night.
Speaker 1:Okay question have you listened to Robert Evans' deep dive into LRH's life on his podcast Behind the Bastards? It's well-researched, but from the POV of non-Scientologists. No, I haven't listened to that. I actually probably will now, that's interesting, robin Evans. Okay, well, here we go. Will Claire and AA Ron be in LA on Monday? Aa Ron is in LA, claire will not, but we will be doing our regular show tomorrow night at normal time, whatever that is. I don't know what normal time is 7 pm or 8 pm Eastern, which is it?
Speaker 2:I think for the Monday nights we are so confused. I think for the Monday nights 7 pm is normal and then for the Tuesday nights 8 pm is normal. Okay, then for the Tuesday nights 8 pm is normal.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go, so we will be seeing you at 7 tomorrow. The new video archives if Elrich came back, what would he do to DM?
Speaker 2:He would be probably. If he was like his old self, he would probably be a little upset because Dave did a few things he said definitely do not do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he would definitely be sending him to the RPF and probably inventing a new form of rundown to deal with a person like him. You know some form of sex checking that would go on forever, like he might checking for eternity.
Speaker 2:He might have a bt uh minigun that he might invent to shoot.
Speaker 1:Dave, just shoot all the bts away jeffrey ammerman question wouldn't you think that the swc would practice some oversight and discernment when it comes to deciding who would speak at their events? What benefit is there for TC to speak at the event? Well, that's the point. As Mark says, probably some financial or status within the industry, or keeping somebody happy. I don't know. I don't know why they would. I don't know what the attraction of Tom Cruise is to the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
Speaker 2:If you look at that list of crew though that he's with the table, the chairs list it's a lot of entertainment and directors and producers and executives that Tom Cruise has made maybe even billions of dollars for, yeah, and so that could be the reason because he just had a big movie. You know, the Top Gun movie didn't do too shabby. So you know, probably I'm going to say it's gotta be, it's gotta be financially motivated and like kind of network and connection motivated. I can't be based on, uh on merit.
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Speaker 2:No, I'm good. We answered a bunch of questions and that Jeffrey Ammerman was the guy who asked the earlier question, so that was his full question.
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