Untold Tales of Suppression and Scandal in Scientology - Scientology Q&A #25

This episode originally aired on YouTube on April 30, 2023. Due to popular demand, these episodes are also being made available on the podcast.  

This episode explores the disturbing practices within Scientology regarding the E-Meter and its effects on individuals, especially children. It discusses personal stories related to child sex checks, the concept of Suppressive Persons, and the absurdities surrounding E-Meter manufacturing. 

• Unpacking the alarming practice of child sex checks in Scientology 
• The impact of E-Meter rock slamming on classification as an SP 
• Personal stories of trauma and emotional distress within Scientology 
• Anecdotes about the manufacturing and functioning of E-Meters 
• Emphasizing the hidden truths of spiritual beliefs and practices in Scientology

Chapters

• 0:13 Scientology E-Meter and Rock Slam
• 14:21 Sea Org E-Meter Assembly Issues
• 22:24 E-Meter Assembly and Scientology Justice
• 37:11 Family Dynamics in Scientology
• 47:37 Current Scientology Crime and Corruption
• 58:43 Scientology Cult Tactics Exposed
• 1:09:38 Scientology Lawsuit and E-Meter Stories
• 1:24:14 ABC Nightline Interview and Wedding Anniversary
• 1:30:22 International Scientology Community Converses With Fans
• 1:38:21 Supporting Channel Merchandise and Content

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:13

Hey guys, welcome to the channel. We've got Claire here right before she takes off to LA.

Speaker 2: 0:20

Yay, glad to be here. I've missed everybody.

Speaker 1: 0:23

Yes, so Claire actually has been talking back and forth with Kelly and they've been working together on some videos, and so when I was on my way back from a work trip, I had to drive for two full days. The guy that normally drives everything was out of town so he couldn't come on this project. So I ended up doing the driving and I I actually kind of enjoy driving, um, truth be told and um, but uh, I was watching and listening to a ton of youtube videos on the way back, and one of the channels that I, um, I had downloaded a whole bunch of videos on, that I wanted to catch up and see, was, uh, copter. And anyway, what I was talking about on Erin's channel, claire, is that there's a video where she gets a child sex check.

Speaker 2: 1:14

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:15

Have you seen this video?

Speaker 2: 1:18

I have not. Okay, I haven't seen that one. I did watch the Marilyn Honig interview that she did.

Speaker 1: 1:23

That was a great one too.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Phenomenal, wasn't it so many parallels between our, like you know, your mom kind of being your main instigator in this cult and your dad sort of not in the picture and it's just like it was. It was kind of it was kind of crazy. Marilyn and Kelly's were very similar, like the. You know the things that happen when you're the child of a public Scientologist not even in the Sea Org, just the kind of before the Sea Org kind of stuff. But one of the things that they talked about was how she got this. Or when Kelly Copter did her own video, one of the things she talked about was getting this sex check and then how they determined that she was a suppressive person when she was six years old. So to me that's just ridiculous. Like it.

Speaker 1: 2:15

Even in even in scientology, that would be considered ridiculous right right yep like that's a very extreme stance to take on a six year old.

Speaker 2: 2:27

Yeah, I mean it's not unheard of. I certainly.

Speaker 1: 2:30

Yes, I've heard other instances as well, but yeah, but this particular incidence was also absurd and I would love to hear, I would love to do a video with Kelly, or maybe you can.

Speaker 2: 2:42

If you do an interview with her, you can ask her, but yeah, we're actually already scheduled to do like trade-off interviews, one for her channel, one for our channel. I just had to push it out because, you know, things have been a little crazy, yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:57

But regardless I want to. I suspect and I don't know if this is the case, but I don't think from getting the check check answers that you could determine a six year old's an SP. But one thing that I did I do think that Scientologists and other people that are watching this should know is that there's a certain needle reaction on the E meter. If it erratically slams all over the place, it's considered what's called a rock slam, and a rock slam is indicative that that person has evil purposes.

Speaker 2: 3:36

Right.

Speaker 1: 3:38

And that is what SPs have. They have lots of evil purposes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 3:42

And especially if the meter does that phenomena when the person is talking about Scientology. L Ron Hubbard, executives in Scientology.

Speaker 1: 3:54

Or in response to a sex check or sex check questions.

Speaker 2: 3:58

Right, but especially if the person is talking about Scientology, it's called a list, one rock slam.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Yeah, yes, that's right, and that means that means that they're 100% a suppressive person. Yeah, so in the Sea Org, if you rock slam on those things, you're immediately signed to the RPF, like without, without any question. It's just, that's it. It's done Like if you see that if someone's on the e-meter and they're in the Sea Org and they say hey, do you?

Speaker 2: 4:30

have any evil purposes about David Miscavige or L Ron Hubbard and it does that. That's it. You go to the RPF no questions asked. Yeah, and it's interesting. I saw somewhere I think Kelly mentioned that this sex check was around the year 2000. And right around that time it became actually this thing at the base where David Miscavige and Shelley Miscavige would say this person needs to be sex checked, they're a rock slammer and you have to find out that that's what they are, or you're going to the Rehabilitation Project Force.

Speaker 1: 4:56

It was this trend that Well, that's why I wanted to bring this up, because when she said that and when it took place, it was in the late 1990s and into the 2000s when, if you rock slammed on the E-meter, it was a definite urine SP period, and also during that time, and this is the crazy thing. So Scientologists sort of this e-meter is infallible. If the e-meter says this is what is happening with you, then that's what's happening with you. So it's a very, very crucial piece of Scientology that they listen to this device and if it says by the different needle reactions mean different things, and so in this case, if it does this specific type of read which is called a rock slam, then you are evil period.

Speaker 2: 5:57

That's how it works. Check checking starts rock slamming in a Scientology auditing or counseling session. There's steps that the person doing the sec check has to do to note down the rock slam and then immediately do these steps to check that the meter is not malfunctioning. There's an exact series of steps that you do and you note even in the worksheet where you write down everything that happens that you did that test.

Speaker 1: 6:28

Yes, now, and now here's where this gets. So let we so. That's the setup for this video. The e-meter is this device. This device is infallible and if you read a certain way on it, then Scientology says that's it. That's the facts, right, okay? Unlike a lie detector, when you get a lie detector test, they don't say you're definitely lying or you're definitely telling the truth. They say it indicates that he's being apprehensive or there's a very high likelihood that he is not telling the truth or that he is telling the truth. It's not like you're an SP, we're done, which is how it is in Scientology.

Speaker 2: 7:10

Yeah, side comment on lie detectors. So you know I love true crime, I listen to true crime podcasts all the time. And then what I've been listening to lately these two ladies and they're like oh, we would never get a lie detector test ever, under any circumstance, even if that makes us look guilty. It's funny. But you're right, it's not. They don't say that it's absolute, because it isn't.

Speaker 1: 7:35

Yeah, fun fact guys, I have had a lie detector test and it was by a former FBI agent who was also in the Secret Service and was one of JFK's bodyguards prior to him having an accident in Texas, I think it was. But I have actually had a lie detector test which I passed, so hoo-yah. Anyway, after years of faking the e-meter, I don't know how you do anything with a lie detector, though that thing is. They're hooking up all kinds of craziness to you, um, but regardless. Um. This leads to the next subject, which was when I was at the base. Um, I was in for almost, I want to say, let's say, 10 of the 15 years that I was at the international headquarters of Scientology.

Speaker 1: 8:28

I was, I either worked in or I was over the quality control for, or the production of, the manufacturing division CDs, vhs tapes, laser discs, dvds, cds, anything that L Ron Hubbard's recorded lectures or videos were distributed on. And then the other department of manufacturing was the systems manufacturing department, which is all these TVs and computerized film systems and everything that are in all the organizations. And then the last department was the Department of Hubbard Electrometer Manufacturing, or HEM as it was generally referred, h-e-m, which it was commonly referred to at the base, now HEM, they manufactured these e-meters from scratch. We had a wave solder line which you would stuff the parts into the circuit boards and then you'd put them through a solder bath. We had a harness area that made the wire harnesses. There was an assembly production line. There was a testing production line. There was a testing production line and all of these E-meters would come in as hundreds of individual little electronic parts and then they would be put together and manufactured by the HEM department. Now the HEM department generally was anywhere from 10 to 20 people and there was two different parts. They would make the brand new E-meters and that was one assembly line. And then the other assembly line was the repair assembly line and the silver certification line.

Speaker 1: 10:15

And what would happen is Scientologists were required because of this rock slam and these other sorts of things. These meters could go out of calibration and then they'd need to be repaired or they'd need to be maintained in some way. And so what Scientology called it was silver sorting. And every I think I want to say it was every year you had to send your e-meter to Golden Air Productions and they'd put it through this assembly line and they'd calibrate it and they'd test it. Or if your e-meter was having problems and when you would audit somebody it would always rock slam, no matter who it was then you'd have to send it to Golden Air Productions and the HEM department and then they'd silver certify it as it's good to go and they put a little expiration sticker, calibration sticker that's good for one more year, on your e-meter.

Speaker 1: 11:05

Okay, well, just as Amy Scobie. Amy Scobie used to be the assembly line director in HIM at one point and she had said that she was the director of the assembly line and she didn't know anything about electronics. And this was really my main point, which was the e-meter, which is this holier-than-thou device that Scientology take the word of, so to speak, was being made by people who don't know anything about electronics, like they literally do not know how to solder properly or they do not understand the components transistors, resistors, capacitors they don't understand the parts and what they do, that they're putting together and how they work. And so at one point, when there were lots of different problems in the Hubbard Electrometer Manufacturing Department I can probably list out about five or more directors of the hem department and every single one of them was either offloaded from the Sea Org, sent to the RPF, declared an SP, escaped, escaped, yeah, yeah, all of these things because they were going to get in trouble, because some celebrity ended up rock slamming in a session and it was because they had a faulty e-meter and it caused all these problems or this and that happened.

Speaker 1: 12:32

But at one point there was so many people that had been busted or escaped from this department and they had hundreds, and I want to even say thousands, of these e-meters that had been sent in by individual Scientologists that were just stacking up because they couldn't get through them, they couldn't fix them, they couldn't repair them, they couldn't silver cert them, they weren't making new ones. It was a giant flap. And this went on for years and years where you could send your e-meter to golden era productions and you might not see it for a year. That's how long it would be there at golden era because of all these things, because the e-meters were just messed up and they were broken and they would have these rock slams or other problems. They wouldn't work correctly. And so I want to say was it Dave's idea to have the rant? It must've been, because otherwise we could have never done it.

Speaker 2: 13:31

Well, even before the part you're getting to, what I remember is so anytime that there was a backlog in any org, they would call an all hands, which was everybody, no matter what your position is, you would come in to help handle this backlog. And so do you remember for a long time, like we'd have morning muster at eight 30 and then the entirety of golden era productions would go into him, me included, by the way I don't know anything about electronics.

Speaker 1: 14:03

So you have people that are locked, that mow the lawns for a living, or're a core supervisor, or they're somebody that works in payroll. It didn't matter what your job was. You would come in and help repair or assemble or clean or do anything that was needed with these things. So again in the Sea Org there's a policy that says you know how to do everything that's ever been done. You've been alive for trillions of years. You've done every possible profession that could be done because you've been along. You've been alive for trillions and trillions of years. So you could be a heart surgeon, you could be a brain surgeon, you could be a de-wheater, you could be a lawnmower, you could be an accountant You've done everything. So fixing E-meters, you've done that. That's not a problem.

Speaker 2: 14:50

Yeah, and don't forget that by the code of a Sea Org member also, you're expected to make it go right, no matter what, it doesn't matter. And you're also expected to behave and act like as if you're an OT operating Thetan level, regardless of whether you've done the levels or not, doesn't matter. You're expected to be that as a Sea Org member.

Speaker 1: 15:10

Exactly so. Not only do you have people that aren't trained assembling and repairing E-Meters, that's their job. Then you bring in other people who it's not even their job. They're not trained, they have no idea what they're doing. It's like here's a solder, iron, uh, heat this piece of thing called solder up and attach these wires together. Okay good, okay good, I'll come on check on you in an hour. That's like the level of people that are putting these things together. Um, I you know I'm going to grab a picture. I've got these pictures that I found. I'll put them up. I'll put them up in a little bit when we get to talking about this some more.

Speaker 1: 15:48

But there is a channel. I will put the link in the description. There is a channel. It's so ironic. It's called. The channel is called Play With Junk that's the name of the channel and they took an e-meter apart and I'll put a link to it in the description. But if you click, if you watch this video, you'll see what the inside of one of these e-meters looks like. And it does look like some, like 1970s, 1980s technology. It's not high tech in the slightest. And the circuit board that we made and all the parts of the e-meter. Everything together would cost about $400. And that was not buying in bulk. Uh rush shipping, rush this, getting this at the last second, that was an inefficient cost of $400. And then they sold the. They sell these e-meters for like four or $5,000. And they even have silver-plated ones that I think the bronze ones were $5,000. The silver ones were like $10,000 or $15,000. And then they had a gold-plated one that was like $25,000.

Speaker 1: 16:57

And then they went in silly and they did Obsidian and Blue Meridian and those would be like $100,000 for an E-Meter $100,000 for an e-meter $100,000 for a $400 piece of crappy electronics made by people who have no idea how to make them and checked by people who don't know how to check them. Anyway, they would have these all hands and and this is essentially what led to what this next thing was there was always an all hands because the e-meter department could never catch up, so there were always backlog meters or meters that couldn't get made. So it was always a problem. And even though the all hands was continuously happening because the quality of the work was so low and these e-meters were basically being sent out not properly built or not properly repaired, there were tons of e-meters coming back again to be fixed a second time and it just created this huge thing. That never ended and it just kind of spiraled out of control.

Speaker 2: 18:07

Yeah, wasn't part of it also that when someone sent in an e-meter for SilverCert, it was supposed to be turned around within 48 hours?

Speaker 1: 18:16

Yeah, it was called the SilverCert line, and any meter that wasn't repaired and sent back within 48 hours there was a huge penalty on the statistics. So I think the stat was number of meters not in the 48-hour line. They called it the 48-hour line, the 48-hour line, it was always referred to as the silver cert line or the 48-hour line, and they could never keep that so that all meters would turn around within 48 hours. It was usually hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, that were backlogged beyond the 48 hours.

Speaker 1: 18:54

Yeah, and so I'm going to say that it was David Miscavige's idea Otherwise I don't think anyone would have ever proved this in a million years that there were at this time in the, in the nineties, uh, and even into the I don't know exactly when they killed the ranch, when they like shut down the ranch, but there was there was a whole group of kids that lived in a on a property that was a few miles from the base and it was called the int ranch and they were seawork members but they weren't allowed to come to the base and work because they were kids yeah, jenna miscavige hill talks about this extensively in her book.

Speaker 1: 19:37

Um, but yeah exactly what's the name of her book?

Speaker 2: 19:40

we'll put it in there.

Speaker 1: 19:44

I've linked to it before.

Speaker 2: 19:45

Yeah Gosh, it's escaping me, my Harrowing Escape from Scientology, beyond Belief, beyond Belief.

Speaker 1: 19:52

Beyond Belief my Harrowing Escape from Scientology. Yes.

Speaker 2: 19:55

Yeah, and it was also that Int Ranch was also referred to as HV or Happy Valley Happy.

Speaker 1: 20:00

Valley Because, crazy people, if you were in the seawork and you went nuts, which they called type three, um, you would go to oops sorry, I just whacked my microphone.

Speaker 2: 20:09

You would go to happy valley, because that's where I think it was actually called happy valley before, if I'm not mistaken I don't know jackson jackson, I think, talked about this I thought it used to be like a, a nunnery or something bizarre like that. I don't remember and I may be misspeaking on that front.

Speaker 1: 20:28

I don't know about the nunnery, but before it was bought by Scientology, it was owned by the Campbell family and it was a tomato farm.

Speaker 2: 20:36

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 20:36

That's where they made the tomatoes for tomato soup, for Campbell's tomato soup. Oh, I did not know that. Yeah, and it was on the other side of an Indian reservation and I think one of the Campbell family. There was some kind of hoodwinking with the tribe that lived there and they were able to get that property. But that property had the well water and it had all these other things that the rest of the reservation did not have and I think Campbell knew that and he kind of hoodwinked them into getting it anyway. So they always wanted it back and eventually Scientology did sell the property back to the Indian tribe where the or the native American tribe that the um, the indigenous people that um, had a, a block of property, um, that surrounded the Int Ranch.

Speaker 1: 21:24

But either way, those kids David Miscavige's bright idea was to have those kids come to the base during the day or it's a certain number of hours of day every day and work in hemp. So you had all these little kids, I mean 10 year olds, 11 year olds, 12 year olds, maybe eight year olds. If you were at the base and you were in the ranch and you're one of the kids that would go to him, reach out to us. We will talk about it, we'll get the specifics and there's gotta be a kid out there that went, that was at the ranch, that's watching these videos.

Speaker 2: 22:03

Yeah, I don't think there were eight year olds by that point, because they stopped accepting cadets, they like that's true by that time by that point. But but a lot of them were teenagers and had no formal schooling or anything else, Certainly no qualifications to be working on electronics, but they were just going to be trained on it. Instant hatted is what we called. What it was called Like here's your job, this is what you do. Boom, you're good to go.

Speaker 1: 22:31

Yes, that is exactly what they'd call instant hat. You get an instant hat. Somebody literally tells you in 10 seconds this is how to do it. You go like this, you do that. They might do one in front of you. Okay, you got it. Okay, good, I'm out. And that's where you get cold solder joints and anybody who knows electronics knows there's you.

Speaker 1: 22:50

If you're going to solder something, uh, you need to know how to solder. You can't just heat it up and melt stuff. It needs to be done in a proper way to get a proper, proper electronic connection and bond and not break later and anyway. But so the craziest part of this is that these kids are putting these e-meters together and this is how these e-meters were being made. It was, it was just they were.

Speaker 1: 23:21

I want to say the entire 15 years that I was there they were. I want to say the entire 15 years that I was there, these e-meters were being tested, checked and assembled by people who had limited or non-adequate understanding of what they were building or what they were doing. And they did have people that knew electronics and they knew things like that, but that was maybe one or two out of the 10 or 15 people that was electronics and they knew, um, things like that. But that was maybe one or two out of the 10 or 15 people that was doing this, so they couldn't do every part of the production line and um, and also some of these things. Over the years the wire, um, the wave solder line was farmed out.

Speaker 1: 23:59

They just decided you know what, why are we doing this? We could just send the design to somebody and they can send us the boards pre-made and we can just say we need 400 and 400 show up. We don't. Why are we the ones troubleshooting and doing? Because they were doing it horribly and having bad results. They were like we should just farm this out. So over the time, over the years, they sort of limited it to only fixing e-meters. And there was another interesting fact, which is the e-meters are numbered. So you know how many e-meters have been made. They have a each number. Each e-meter has a serial number because when it comes in there's a paper file for each one of these e-meters and it has, every time it's been there, filed into its paperwork, its little folder, and it was called the HEM files.

Speaker 2: 24:52

And doesn't that also show exactly who made each part of it originally?

Speaker 1: 24:56

Yeah, Well, because the routing form in the Sea Org they love these things called routing forms. So it's essentially a piece of paper that as you do the work on that item you say done mark, you sign it and with a date and your signature that you've done that part, and then the routing form and the e-meter are stuffed inside this bag, electrostatic bag, and it just gets passed to the next person on the assembly line. And I myself have filled out hundreds and hundreds of those routing forms because I used to build the e-meters too and I've built I want to say I've probably, I've probably built or repaired a thousand e-meters myself. So that's how I know this. This is not coming from somebody who just walked by one day, who just heard a story about the e-meters. There's even a picture of me oh, my God, I just realized this. There's even a picture of me in a Scientology publication working on an e-meter with two other people and none of us were in the HEM department at the time.

Speaker 1: 26:04

I was on a film crew running a film team. I was the first and assistant director on a film team and I have a soldering iron in my hand fixing an E-meter. The guy next to me was a sound guy who we talk about in the Spy Files, adam Parcell. He was in the audio department and he was a sound recordist or sound mixer, and the guy that was standing over us telling us to fix the meters was the construction director. He literally had his construction outfit on in the HEM department and he was the one running all these people. I can't even believe now that I'm thinking of it. I can't even believe that they promoted the Scientologists that we were just fixing and building e-meters on an all hands.

Speaker 2: 26:44

It's in their publication.

Speaker 1: 26:46

This is not something we're making up. Scientology bragged about it in a publication. Anyway, craziness.

Speaker 2: 26:54

Because it was totally normal.

Speaker 1: 26:56

It was totally normal for just randos to be working on your e-meter and so just to circle back. So this poor girl, let's. Let's say that that is what happened, because I don't understand it. It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1: 27:12

There is a mystery why how a six-year-old gets declared a suppressive person not officially, but they in so many words. They told her you're the sp, you're why our family is not doing well, that is what happened, based on what's in Kelly's video. So the only thing I could think of was that she had some sort of readings on these e-meters, on the e-meter, that she was being security checked on getting this child sex check, and that was what led to this sort of determination that she was a suppressive person. If it was one of the questions that she answered, okay fine. But there have been Scientologists, and the only reason I even know this that there have been Scientologists that were sent, or Sea Org members that were sent to the RPF because they rock slammed on an emitter, and the only reason that I know this personally is because my mother was in the Sea Org. She got into a fight with a representative of Religious Technology Center.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Marina Pizzotti.

Speaker 1: 28:18

Marina Pizzotti when she was at FLAG, the Clearwater facility. Marina Pizzotti was the RTC representative in in Clearwater. My mother was, uh was training to be uh like an O, uh OT supervisor, like to to supervise people that are doing their OT levels, like studying to how, learn how to audit so they can get rid of body things. My mother was training to be a supervisor and had been a supervisor for many years in those areas. And oh, kelly copters in here, oh, Kelly says Kelly copter in the house.

Speaker 1: 28:55

I didn't see where Kelly's was, but maybe she might've answered. See if you can find that. We'll see what she said. Anyway, my mother, when my mother got into a fight with this girl from RTC, she was put on the e-meter and she had a rock slam and so she was sent to the RPF. Now my mother was like I'm not, I don't have a rock slam, I don't have evil purposes, there's no way. This has never had. I've done all this auditing, all this. This has never come up. Anyway, she wrote a report and said hey, I shouldn't be on the RPF and I was wrongly accused of this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1: 29:39

Okay, in an ironic turn of events, this Marina gal that was the RTC rep, marina Pizzotti, she left Clearwater and she went to the RTC headquarters. Now, if you're in Scientology and you feel that you've had an injustice or something happened that's not being handled properly, there is a person that you can write to and it's called the RTC reports off. So if you got assigned to the RPF and it wasn't correct and it was not per policy, and really you had a fight with some dumb broad and RTC and then you got an, went on an E meter and you had a rock slam and then you got assigned to the RPF. That's kind of like that's there's. That seems a little hinky, even if you're in the Sea Org there could be it seems rigged.

Speaker 1: 30:21

It seems like, yeah, that's a little. It seems like that RTC person made sure that you went to the RPF, because if you were an RTC you absolutely have that power. You could say she's going to the RPF and that person gets assigned to the RPF, and David Miscavige has assigned what you think hundreds of people to the RPF.

Speaker 2: 30:40

Yeah, you want to know something crazy. By the way, tad off topic, but it does relate. So when we were training in Clearwater, I was training too, with Marina, to be an RTC representative. One of the requirements to graduate from that training program was to send someone to the rehabilitation project force.

Speaker 1: 31:00

No, it wasn't. To graduate being an RTC rep, you have to assign someone to the RPF Yep, so she so my mom could have been that person.

Speaker 2: 31:13

Yeah, she could have been. I don't remember the timing of it, I think I think that happened afterwards but either way she was no stranger to signing people to the RPF.

Speaker 1: 31:22

No, she was not Okay so here's what happens, though she gets assigned to the RPF, and it does seem like Marina might have been the one that sent her there.

Speaker 2: 31:34

Yeah, well, your mom was mouthing off to Marina, right? That's what started the whole fight.

Speaker 1: 31:39

Oh no, they got in. As far as I understand, they actually got in a physical fight, Like my mom punched Marina in the face. That's what I was told, and this circles back to David Miscavige. In the end, too, You'll find out.

Speaker 2: 31:53

Doesn't it all?

Speaker 1: 31:55

Yeah, this is all David Miscavige is doing, somehow or someone, anyway. So my mom gets sent to the RPF. She writes a report every single day that she's on the RPF. She writes a report to the RTC reports off saying this is not fair, I shouldn't be on the RPF RTC rep. And then, supposedly I rock slammed on an e-meter and I believe the e-meter was faulty and that this, basically this evil bitch sent me to the RPF. Okay, guess who was the RTC reports off an RTC Marina.

Speaker 2: 32:36

Pizzotti.

Speaker 1: 32:37

She when she stopped being a flag rep or an RTC rep at Florida, she was promoted to RTC and became the reports off RTC. So essentially my mom was writing a report on her to her and she wasn't. She wasn't forwarding those reports or undoing the RPF assignment.

Speaker 2: 33:01

No, but you know what. You know what? I don't think we've ever talked about this. Your mom actually also sent reports to me because I was internal executive at the time which was on the Religious Technology Org Chart you never told me that.

Speaker 2: 33:17

I know that's why I'm bringing it up and so. But she, your mom, cc'd the RTC reports off but sent it to me. But it was not my job to, and anyway it would have been extreme nepotism for me to do anything about my mother-in-law being on the RPF. I wasn't there, I didn't know any of the facts related to what had happened. And I didn't know any of the facts related to what had happened. And, in a separate turn of events, I was already in the doghouse by that point because Marty had escaped and Marina was actually eventually replaced me on my post of internal exec also. Oh and also.

Speaker 1: 34:00

Marina. I'm pretty sure Marina has escaped by now.

Speaker 2: 34:03

We've heard that she has also left the Sierra. Yeah, she has a son in Italy that she left behind. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1: 34:11

Okay now here's how I find out about it. I don't know any of this. I know that my mom has had some problems in Florida and then she was sent to the RPF, but I have no specifics. I don't know anything about it. Anyway, david Miscavige goes to Clearwater and he's walking through the entire property, going to all the different places, and one of the places that he went was called the Flag Mill and they have like a construction facility there where they make all the furniture for the different buildings. And I think I want to say for a while they were even making furniture for other Scientology organizations and maybe that might have been the PAC mill. They have a similar mill in PAC and they actually have a similar mill at the base. And I think that's how these other ones kind of sprouted up, because we were making furniture at the international headquarters, but just for the headquarters and for the sets and stuff like that. We made furniture and stuff. Either way, they have a mill that makes furniture at Flag and the RPF. That's where they work. The workforce of the Flag mill are RPFers.

Speaker 1: 35:19

Anyway, david Miscavige is walking. He's telling us this story at the base in a meeting. He'd just been to Florida and he'd is walking. He's telling us this story at the base in a meeting. He'd just been to Florida and he'd come back and he's telling us this story and he says, oh, you guys are never going to believe this story. And he says there's this blonde Dumbo that I run into at the flag in the mill. And as soon as he says a blonde, like he didn't say Dumbo, he used other words, but that I can't say on YouTube.

Speaker 2: 35:48

Less, uh, less endearing terms, Less endearing.

Speaker 1: 35:52

He basically mentioned this blonde expletive that he ran into in Florida in the flag mill and he starts telling me this story about how this, this, this gal got into a fight with an RTC rep and then she ends up rock slamming in an interview and then she ends up getting assigned to the RPF and he goes and of course and he says it like this he says of course she should have never gone to the RPF for getting into a fight with Marina and she should have definitely not gotten into a fight for rocks or going to the RPF for rock slamming. Probably the E-meter might've been faulty. And it did turn out that that E-meter was faulty and she should have never been. It wasn't a rock slam, the E-meter itself was faulty and that's how we got to this whole story anyway. But the meter was a problem anyway.

Speaker 1: 36:44

But he says she was such a dumb B I, t, c, h that I left her there. Of course she should have not been on the RPF, but she was so stupid to stay on the RPF and never write a report. Cause guess what If she even if she would have written a report, you guess who she would have sent it to? And he laughs. It would have gone to Marina and Marina probably would have left her there anyway. So she's like she's so stupid that she didn't know this that I just left her on the RPF.

Speaker 2: 37:11

Anyway, we finished the rest of the meeting and, by the way, he absolutely knew it was your mom.

Speaker 1: 37:15

Okay, but he didn't say that.

Speaker 2: 37:17

He absolutely knew it was your mom.

Speaker 1: 37:19

Okay, but she did. To be truthfully, she had a different last name. She didn't have Headley as her last name. She was married to another guy named Bert Smith and her name was Trudy Smith, and so I assumed he had no clue that that would have been my mom, and I didn't even know that it was my mom. And then the meeting finished and he left. I didn't even know that it was my mom. And then the meeting finished and he left and Angie Blankenship and Jenny DeVocht were there at the meeting that he had in Florida, and I knew they knew who my mom was, so I grabbed them before they left and I said hey, I just want to ask you a question before you guys leave. And they, before even saying anything, they were like yes, it was your mom and I go, I knew it and he goes, they go. We don't know if COB knows that that was your mom, though.

Speaker 2: 38:08

And I'm thinking to myself.

Speaker 1: 38:11

I've seen this, I've seen this episode before because this has happened before in meetings. He calls out somebody. He just tells them they're the stupidest person in the world and because they have a different last name than the person who's in the room, that is, their son or their daughter or their brother or their sister he tells the story like he has no clue that they're related, even though they're 100% their mom or their dad or their brother or whatever, anyway. So and then I say to Angie and Jenny I say you know, she's written a report every single day, she, she's been on the RPF every single day. And they're like yeah, we know that too. We've seen the reports, because they were in Florida as CMO executives that would have been CC'd on these reports, so that yeah, and of course they don't mention that at the time.

Speaker 2: 38:59

it's coming up in clear.

Speaker 1: 39:01

Yeah, Everyone knows all of parts of the story. And while he's telling the story like as a joke, it's an, it's a funty, a funny antidote to him. That anecdote it's a funny anecdote to him. Isn't it crazy that this stupid blonde girl was on the RPF for no good reason for the last five years? Um, anyway, that's David Miscavige, that's E-Meters and that's Scientology nonsense in a nutshell for you folks.

Speaker 1: 39:30

And this is the best part of the story when I escaped in 2005, my sister that was in the Sea Org and my mother that were in the Sea Org were both kicked out of the Sea Org because they were related to me and they would be what's referred to in the Sea Org, were both kicked out of the Sea Org because they were related to me and they would be what's referred to in the Sea Org as a security risk because they could be spying for me or they could be feeding me information or they're just basically a security risk to Scientology.

Speaker 1: 39:57

So they have to get out of the Sea Org. And then my sister had kids and my mom got remarried and they've lived whole new lives outside of the Sea, remarried and they've lived a whole new lives outside of the seawork and they've never spoken to Claire and us because they're still Scientologists. And my mom this is the craziest twist in this entire story my mom is probably the biggest David Miscavige uh, David Miscavige butt kisser there is. She thinks that he's saving Scientology and that he is the epitome of like, the most dedicated Scientologist there is, even though he couldn't care less about the individual Sea Org members or Scientologists in the slightest. Anyway, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 2: 40:41

Yeah, it is crazy. Yeah, no, Speaking of your mom, the maddest I ever saw your dad, Bernie, rest in peace. Bernie, we love you was at the wedding of your uncle and it was a family barbecue. I was pregnant, you were in California, so I was there just with Bernie, and so we went to the wedding. The next day, there was a barbecue at your grandma's ranch and so everyone was sitting out in chairs and your grandma said, oh, I need some sugar for my coffee. And your mom leaves and goes in the house and like an hour later, your grandma's like where's the sugar? So Bernie goes in there and she's like I can't be out there. What did she say? It's a it, it it risks.

Speaker 1: 41:29

Yeah, it risks the entire eternity of mankind's future for me to go out and have a conversation with Claire.

Speaker 2: 41:38

Yeah, cause she is such an SP, I can't even be in the same space. Yeah, yeah, she's such an.

Speaker 1: 41:42

SP that she will literally make it so that I cannot have spiritual freedom and no one can no humans can have spiritual freedoms because of Claire.

Speaker 2: 41:54

Yeah. So, bertie, I've never seen him so mad in his whole life. He was like we're out of here. The whole family was like what just happened? I was like oh, awkward.

Speaker 1: 42:06

My dad, my dad, did not suffer fools. He, he did not put up with Scientology. And my mom and I don't know that I never really talked to my dad about this, but I'm pretty sure that my mom said the reason they got divorced is because my dad didn't want to continue in Scientology. Divorced is because my dad didn't want to continue in Scientology and that he had been a victim of psychiatry when he was a child, like he had been electroshocked or he'd been um, he'd had some kind of psychiatric counseling or something and she's had spread these told me these lies. This is when I was a little kid, cause I was like Scientology just broke up my family and, um, because I was like Scientology just broke up my family and anyway. So he didn't have a great. He played along to stay along.

Speaker 1: 42:52

But he, as soon as Claire and I left, he was like, oh my God, I've been waiting for this day and our family had been putting us on their prayer list that we would escape from Scientology and all this other stuff, and but he had to do a Sophie's choice.

Speaker 1: 43:06

He had to either help us and see us or not. Help us to be able to see my sister. But my sister never was in the Sea Org. He never would see her anyway. So it was like do I, if I help my son, I'm never going to see my daughter again, and but if I don't help my son then he might end up back in Scientology. Anyway, it was definitely a shitty thing that my dad never got to see my sister ever again after he helped us. And he did end up. Rest in peace, dad. But he did end up talking to my sister for about 15, 20 minutes on the phone the day before he passed and my sister on the phone spouted a bunch of Scientology nonsense about how he could leave his body and find a new body and do this whole Scientology thing.

Speaker 1: 43:54

And and, by the way, instead of saying I'm sorry, um, I didn't talk to you for the last 15 years, or any, or I'm finally glad I got to talk to you, or any of that. No, she did a bunch of Scientology nonsense, so anyway, I don't want to talk about it anymore.

Speaker 2: 44:09

Okay.

Speaker 1: 44:10

Um, I was not trying to talk about my dad, but Sorry, my dad is the reason.

Speaker 1: 44:14

I only brought that up because of your mom, yeah our dad is here today because he helped us or we're here today because my dad helped us when I needed a place to go, when I escaped, and he took me in, which I didn't even think that he would, because I hadn't seen him for so long and I hadn't really had a relationship with him for, you know, 15 years while I worked at the international headquarters. I mean, I would literally talk to him, maybe on Christmas or maybe not always on Christmas, um, once a year maybe. Sometimes I go a few years without even seeing him or talking to him. But, um, yeah, I even got in big trouble when I went to his wedding in the 2000s sometime. He had a wedding, he got married in Vegas, and I left the property for eight hours during the night to go to his wedding and then came back and I got in a huge amount of trouble and they basically thought I had escaped to go to my dad's wedding and I was back. I was like I'm here.

Speaker 1: 45:12

Obviously, I didn't escape, I'm back, I'm here. Obviously, I didn't escape, I'm on, I'm back, I'm here. What are you talking about? Anyway, either way, that's how Scientology sucks. These are some of the reasons. These are one of the 5,000 readings. Scientology sucks the bit. Do we have any? Is anybody in the chat today?

Speaker 1: 45:34

There's like 1350 there we go, don't forget to hit like and subscribe people happening you know yes, aaron said this on the video we did earlier.

Speaker 1: 45:44

but there's a ton of people that have been donating and saying here's this for this and here's that people are trying to send us up. If you send it to youtube, if you do a super chat, we'll absolutely answer your question and put it up, but if you're, if you're sending it to donate, you don't want to. You don't want it, you don't care about the question, you don't want to have your name up on the screen. There's a. We have links on other ways you can support the channel. In the description there's an Amazon list for the channel, like just different equipment we have. There's a PayPal link.

Speaker 1: 46:17

Obviously, if you want a book, a Blown for Good book that's signed by Claire and I, you can go to Blown for Good. Those are other ways you can support the channel. We're not doing this for our health folks. It is therapeutic and we are helping people. Scientologists watching this channel are finding out things that Scientology would never tell them, like Scientology is not saying oh, by the way, little kids are building knee meters. Or, by the way, david Miscavige relishes in your, your private information and your secret information in meetings with other Sea Org members and laughs about how you got assigned to the rehabilitation project force.

Speaker 2: 46:50

They would never tell you and let me just yeah, let me just say coming up just because we have had a lot going on, but in the next week or two we have actually stories provided to us. The names have been changed by people in Scientology right now that have authorized us to share these stories, with the names changed exactly. And, oh my gosh, I mean none of this is new to us, but the fact that it's coming to us as the person's like, oh yeah, no, I'm a current Scientologist, just don't mention my name or where it came from. That is a fact.

Speaker 1: 47:25

Multiple stories. Yeah, we have that on. I mean, aaron's got Scientologists contacting him. Mike has signed Mike Rinder's channel Scientologists contacting him. Mike has signed Mike Rinder's channel Aaron Smith-Levin on growing up in Scientology blown for good.

Speaker 1: 47:37

We have current Scientologists that give us information on a regular basis and not just in one place all over the world. So that is how we have a lot of these current. That is how we find out about current things that are happening and a lot of times we will check, we will ask like we'll hear a story from one person who's in Scientology and we'll ask another person and they will give us a similar version, or almost the identical version in some cases, of these things that have happened, but just in their area, their area. So we're corroborating these stories and finding out that, um, yeah, they're being we're verifying them from other people saying like, hey, is this happening where you are? They're like oh, yeah, we're ripping off elderly people with on their credit cards, a full time. That is a thing it's happening and people are that. And that is another video that we are going to do. We're going to do a video about this Reed slacking guy who ripped off Scientologists with the biggest Ponzi scheme since Ponzi. And then Bernie Madoff took the top spot right after Reed Slatkin, and there is an episode of American Greed that is all about Reed Slatkin, but the story you don't know is maybe even crazier than the story that's been told.

Speaker 1: 48:56

So Scientology on Scientology, crime is very prevalent in Scientology. Scientologists are ripping each other off, they're stealing from each other, they're buying companies and taking over companies and then not paying the person that they bought the company from. And all of these things are happening. But if whoever is the person committing the crime is donating money to Scientology, scientology will wash the whole thing under the rug and the victim just is out high and dry. And because they don't want to get Scientology in a bad light or they don't want to get Scientology in trouble, so they have this internal Scientology ethics and justice system and as long as Scientology comes out good, in the end everyone's happy, except for the person who got screwed over. And they usually will end up leaving Scientology or just sucking it up and saying I'm sorry, I lost $200,000 and now I can't get it back and I got to start all over, but at least I didn't get kicked out of Scientology. It's crazy.

Speaker 1: 49:58

Okay, it is, it's time to do some questions. If anybody wants to do questions, um, get on in the chat. We don't only do super chats and super stickers. Uh, we answer other questions as well. But uhnett, super Sticker. Thank you very much, holiday.

Speaker 1: 50:16

Thank you, maria Maria. John Atack has gone into the mechanics of rock slams in death and the exact mechanical failure that causes them. Polygraphs are not admissible in court because they have been demonstrably fooled in both directions. There you go. Thanks, ed. Yeah, I think we'll find that. Or you just go to John a tax file and search rock slams.

Speaker 1: 50:39

Um, but uh, if I remember, we'll put a link in the description. Um, uh, freak. Frank Freck. Freck says an e-meter is not a lie detector, it's a religious device. Tori Chrisman yeah, that is a thing that Scientologists will tell you. Yeah, the e-meter. I mean, if you look at the what's it called again, play with Junk, if you look at the Play with Junk video, he opens up the e-meter and he looks in there. It is a giant piece of shit. It's not like some high-tech thing that they have. Oh, that was another thing I wanted to say the new one. They have a new one now, the one that we're talking about. I think they stopped making it in 2018. I don't remember when the new one came out. It was after we had left, maybe not 2018, maybe like 2008. But it had been made in the early 2000s, when we were still there. They had made all these new E-meters and they were called the. Was it called the Ultra?

Speaker 2: 51:44

Yes, or the.

Speaker 1: 51:45

Quantum.

Speaker 2: 51:48

No, the Mark Super 7 Quantum. I think it was the Ultra.

Speaker 1: 51:51

Yeah, the Ultra. I only remember Ultra because that's the name of a depeche mode album I was really mad that they called it, why am I not surprised? I was like. You know, it's not even barely ultra. Anyway, the new e-meter they had made and apparently, reportedly on the same assembly line that built walkmans in japan or taiwan somewhere. But um, it costs forty dollars, guys. Forty dollars. They still charge five thousand dollars for this thing.

Speaker 2: 52:24

It cost forty dollars to make this thing well, because there's a policy that says they can't sell it for less because that would be a quality degrade. Yep, that's right.

Speaker 1: 52:32

The only reason they don't sell it for less, because that would be a quality degrade. Yep, that's right. The only reason they don't sell it for less is because they already sold the old one for that much, and the old one was 400 and they sold it for four or 5,000. The new one costs 10 times as less. They still charge the same price, and it's also a giant piece of junk too. It's just, it's an updated piece of junk. It doesn't do anything. Xenu is my homeboy. Freak says Thank you for that.

Speaker 2: 52:56

I thought it was Freck. It's Freck.

Speaker 1: 52:58

Freck Mercat Moon says here's my Netflix subscription money. I don't need it anymore, I have SPTV, thank you.

Speaker 2: 53:05

Nice Thank you.

Speaker 1: 53:07

You don't have to. I still have Netflix. You know I still I give to YouTube channels too, but I do it all. You don't have to give up Netflix. You can also just comment without having a super sticker. Can you tell the story of how LRUN came up with the e-meter?

Speaker 2: 53:28

I don't think. Oh, sorry.

Speaker 1: 53:29

That's my bad. These questions are disappearing and showing up and I'm not doing it. So here I'm putting this back up.

Speaker 1: 53:37

L Ron Hubbard didn't come up with the E-meter. He stole it from a guy named Volney Matheson and he used Volney Matheson's meter for in the I want to say that I want to say the 50s and the 60s. And then Volney did not. Volney was like no, no, this is not cool. Like volney disagreed about how hubbard was doing using it and how accurate it was and all that. And so then hubbard just had a guy re-engineer, like reverse engineer it and then just call it the hubbard electrometer and essentially it was the exact or very similar circuit that was in the Volney. It just changed the way it worked and he sort of customized it for the Scientology use. And there's actually a book called the History of the E-meter that lays this whole thing out. Hubbard doesn't mince words that he totally ripped this dude off. He's like, yeah, we used it as much as it could be used and we had to, uh, make our own e-meter. It's called ripping it off, um.

Speaker 2: 54:41

Oh, goldie, just added the the uh link in the chat for the play with junk e-meter video.

Speaker 1: 54:46

by the way, Perfect, and it's in the description as well of the video. I did put it in the description when I made the video. I'm pretty sure Awesome. Maybe I didn't now that I look at it, um that's all right, see, either way, I'm gonna look uh goldie, the world's best moderator, has I didn't.

Speaker 1: 55:03

Yeah, so goldie, goldie, thank you for that. I have the link. I just didn't put in the description yet. Um, pieces of me, hi, fairly new. I just found out today that dm has a twin sister. Is she still in church of scientology? Yes, david Miscavige does have a twin sister and her name. Is it Loretta or some other person to go yell at Lisa Marie Presley? So this was within the last decade or so, and so I assume she's still involved when she's not getting arrested for slinging weed to her tenants of the of the slum housing that she has in Florida. That's Denise specifically. I don't know about the other sister, but yeah, she is his twin sister and she just looks like Dave with the wig. They've looked very, very similar.

Speaker 1: 56:07

Pieces of me. Thank you for that, kelly copter. Here we go, perfect. Thank you for my mic, bobblehead and bracelet. Oh, that's the other thing I noticed in the video. When I got to the hotel I was finishing watching one of the videos and when she put her arm up I saw that she had an SP bracelet on. Oh, my gosh, that's so cool. Thank you, kelly. I'm glad you like your bracelet and it was the size. Thank you for my mic, Mike bobblehead and bracelet Love them. Thank you for all the work you do. Seeing you both on the aftermath gave me courage to say something. All my love to you. Thank you, kelly. You, her videos are so great. The production qualities, um, the production quality is amazing. Um, and the video that she did with Marilyn really, um, have like a I don't know what you want to call it. I have a content check. If I want to hug you, buy you a beer or yell at the screen. That's a good video to me.

Speaker 2: 57:06

Mark's content check folks.

Speaker 1: 57:09

That's my like. If your video makes me want to do one of those things, I will like and subscribe. And I do like and subscribe to a lot of channels and sometimes, if you know, if I watch a bunch of videos and I don't like the videos, that I'll unsubscribe. But I still do and I do subscribe to people that subscribe to me, depending on how many people are watching their videos or what kind of content. But Kelly copters videos I've I want to say I've seen five or six now. They've all been great and they all make me want to give the person a hug or buy them a beer or or yell at the screen or do a video about their video yeah and hey, uh, teaser alert ke Kelly and I are going to collaborate on a whole other series of this story.

Speaker 2: 57:57

That is just unbelievable and powerful and amazing. So more to come.

Speaker 1: 58:06

Awesome TB. Did you both get the mugs I sent? Did we get any mugs while I was gone?

Speaker 2: 58:13

We didn't yet. Tim I'm not sure what happened.

Speaker 1: 58:17

Yeah, Maybe it got mixed in we, we we have a lot of projects happening right now, so anything that comes to me goes to my company where all this equipment that I have coming in comes to. So we'll see. We'll check through it. Tb. Thanks, I'm sorry if we didn't, but hopefully we did We'll see, we'll check through it TB. Thanks, I'm sorry if we didn't, but hopefully we did.

Speaker 2: 58:36

Yes, I know I can't wait to use it.

Speaker 1: 58:38

Yes, marilyn, honig, marilyn, thank you, much love to you both. You have helped so many of us never ends never in Church of Scientology people to recognize cult abuse and heal. Cults are all the same, just with different spots. Kelly is amazing and so easy to talk to. Yeah, when I watched the Maryland video, I was so touched by that video because she really had such a similar experience to me personally not in Scientology, in a totally different group and just the things that were said to her and how you couldn't kind of, you couldn't go against the rules and the elders and all this nonsense and the fact the video that she did helped me. So it's funny that she says you know our videos are helping her. I really, truly think this is like a rising tides thing where these videos are helping people. Just exposing this kind of cult technique and cult behaviors are sort of helping people that don't even have anything to do with Scientology. Thank you, marilyn. We really appreciate everything you do.

Speaker 1: 59:46

Hi, claire, I sent you a super chat for coffee or tea in LA, but it defaulted my message to an emoji. I did not actually select Ugh me and tech. So sad, lol. Well, holiday, arnett, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2: 59:59

Yes, thank you so much. I appreciate it. That's very kind of you. I'll need all the coffee I can get.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

Maria de Jesus Gutierrez says from John Atack, the potentiometer pretty much a volume control like a dimmer switch for a light, which is the tone arm on the meter was shedding carbon dust into the works because of poor construction. Yeah, this is so funny that John Atack is talking about this. John Atack knew about this. On the old version of the e-meter, that which was like probably the one he's talking about is probably the mark 5, or even the mark 7, which is this new easy bake uh mark oven, or the even newer one, which is the mark 8, which is their latest one. Um, these things they're like lowest component, uh, lowest cost components. It's not like they're building these things out of monster cable or some super high end sort of uh electronics or copper or you know whatever. It's just regular stuff. Um and um gosh, I was just. I just thought of something else that I forgot. But um, they, the quality of these things and the technology that's involved in them is very, very simple. It's not like some. It's a tiny little circuit board that's in this new e-meter. It's tiny, it's it an ipod or not even an ipod? An ipod is, is, is quantum advanced compared to this.

Speaker 1: 1:01:38

Oh, the thing I was going to say the e-meters. They were made when we were still there and they were so old by the time they released them that they had to redo them because they had, instead of having like a you know, you plug your mouse or your keyboard in you use what's called a USB connector. It's this little flat digital connector you plug into your computer. These e-meters were made so long ago that they had what was called a DB9 or a serial connector on the back, which was like it was a plug that had these nine pins in it and that's how it would talk to the computer. By the time they well, even when they made it, somebody gave them some bad info like oh, this connector is never going to not be in computers and this USB thing is not going to catch on, it's not going to stick around. So they put, instead of putting, a USB, usb did exist when this e-meter was made and instead of putting a USB connector on, somebody told them oh, you could put this DB9 connector in it because it costs like a cent compared to a USB connector, which costs five cents. So on the circuit board, instead of putting USB, they put DB9. The reason why DB9 connector was so much cheaper is because it was not being used anymore, and whoever sold them these was trying to get rid of them, and that's what they ended up putting on them. So they were built in the early 2000s and then they released it in the late 2000s, and when they released it there wasn't a computer being sold that had one of these DB9 connectors on it, so they had to take every single one out of the box. They had to change out the circuit board and put one in that had a USB connector on it so people could plug in with usb or ethernet or whatever the connector is that it has these days.

Speaker 1: 1:03:19

Uh, so, yeah, uh not. These scientologists are not. Uh, they're not. They always are like 20 years behind on their kind of their technology or their media. Um, matt, denny, sharing my birthday wish, sharing my birthday with dm sucks. Oh, there you go, denny, sorry. Oh, is it david muskavich's birthday today?

Speaker 1: 1:03:40

today, yeah happy birthday, dave, you scientology boss baby. We should do a scientology boss baby birthday video. Um, thank you, matt, I have. I totally forgot. Yeah, that's how much I think about you, dave, sorry that you share your birthday with him?

Speaker 2: 1:03:57

Yeah, that is a bummer, but it's okay, but happy birthday, Matt.

Speaker 1: 1:04:00

Happy birthday to you, matt. Okay, mac D says hey, everyone did you know that every time you hit the like on an SPTV video, dm hits his forehead on a kitchen table? Happy birthday, dave Bonk. Every 100, he gets the corner. Thank you, mac. I appreciate that Cassandra Reiner says. What I would like to understand is why Scientology won't put people in positions where their strengths are. Why is that? You want to answer that, claire.

Speaker 2: 1:04:34

Sure yeah, because it's a personality game in Scientology. It's not about what you know and how you can best contribute. It's just not about that.

Speaker 1: 1:04:44

I think you know that's a really good question. It's usually about like whatever, like so. When I got to, I was told when I was recruited for the Sea Org, you're going to work at Narconon. And that's what I wanted to do and I had worked at a school as an employee of the school and I really liked helping the kids and working with people and helping them. So I thought, oh, I cannot have to go to school, not work at this school, get paid better to work at a drug rehabilitation facility. I would like to do that and that's what they recruited me to do. As soon as I got into the Sea Org they were like you're not going to Narconon, dummy, you're going to go work at the place that runs Narconon, and so. But once you get in the Sea Org, they're like you do whatever we tell you to do. You don't get a choice. So I was like, okay, I'll go work at that place. And they said you're going to be in charge of getting new people in to this place. That's going to be your job.

Speaker 1: 1:05:41

I hated recruiting. I didn't want to have anything to do with recruiting. I and I also personally hated recruiters because they lied to people. What's that?

Speaker 2: 1:05:51

Me too, I hated recruiters.

Speaker 1: 1:05:53

I hated the recruiters the Sea Org recruiters because they would basically lie to you to get you to join the Sea Org and then do a bait and switch and I was like that's not cool. They did that to me and I didn't like it. I don't want to be that guy. So I was horrible at recruiting and so I got busted off of being that guy and I got put on being the treasury guy and I was over accounts for Able International and I loved doing that and I also did it better than anybody else who'd done it in a long time.

Speaker 1: 1:06:22

And as soon as I got good at it, they said you're out of here, you're going to the top, you're going to the headquarters and you're going to do something else that you don't know how to do. And then I ended up doing, you know, electronics and other stuff like that, which I did kind of have a proficiency for and I had like an affinity or a love for doing electronic stuff. So in my case it kind of worked out. But the best thing is is that the whole time I was there I wanted to do the electronic stuff and they kept putting me on all these other jobs that didn't have to do with that and did the electronic stuff and they kept putting me on all these other jobs that didn't have to do with that and no matter what, I would always gravitate back to the electronics, and mainly just because I was good at it and when they needed it done they knew who to come and see.

Speaker 1: 1:07:03

But yeah, it's really all about what the latest flap is or what the latest area that needs people. So you could be a brain surgeon. You ain't gonna be operating on brains.

Speaker 2: 1:07:18

You might be fixing lawnmowers. Amy Scobie just commented in the chat and said that she was responsible for recruiting you to the base. Yes, she's told me that I didn't know that which is so weird the way these things come full circle.

Speaker 1: 1:07:31

Chris OC. Chris OC, the core component of an e-meter is a very simple electronic component known as a Wheatstone bridge. Anyone can make one with a breadboard, a few 12K ohm resistors, some pots, potentiometers or volume control knobs and a spare analog volt as a VU meter and a spare analog volt as a VU meter, which is basically like different units of how you measure certain electronic symbols. Yeah, it's really really simple, like essentially, if you had a good parts list, you could make one from RadioShack parts. It's definitely not hard to make. Thank you for that, emily Case. Has anyone ever claimed to have been a Sea Org member in a past life who has come back in this life to keep fulfilling their contract? I don't. I've never heard of that. Have you ever heard of that, claire?

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

I've heard of people say that they were Sea Org in their past life. Um, I don't think they ever. It was never so specific as that they're, you know, back to like keeping track of their years on their billing your contract kind of a thing.

Speaker 2: 1:08:38

But yeah, there's definitely people that said, oh, I worked with hubbard last lifetime and and I remember being it has early lectures and all that kind of stuff, and there were even uh, there was a scientologist at celebrity center who interviewed somebody who was an old person who was going to be passing away to be her, like she was pregnant, and they supposedly set up all the logistics. I mean, how you prove that? I have no idea. It was ultimately bizarre, but yeah, they definitely happened.

Speaker 1: 1:09:12

Yeah, they do tell people to, when they're on their deathbed, to go find a hospital that has a Scientologist that's pregnant and that's having a baby. Go find that. This is where you can go find a new Scientologist body. That is a real thing. That happens in Scientology.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:09:32

Thank you, Emily, Appreciate that. A freak again. Wow, Freak is just in. Her. Freck is in here full time. This is very unrelated, but do you guys know anything about Scientology lawsuit against Dutch ISP blah, blah, blah? Stephen Fishman case? Maybe I should ask Mike Rinder about this, since he would have been in a better position to know. I've heard of this Stephen Fishman case. I don't know any specifics about it. And you're right, Mike Rinder, probably would be a better and it also depends Some of these things that are cases and like just lawsuits that are happening if it's not really anything like a big deal. This might have been a Zinu. They had posted Zinu or other Scientology documents on the Internet. That's why they would sue an ISP. But that is definitely something that Mike might have known about. But it could have been handled at just the OSA level and not even been that big of a deal at the base at that time. Yeah, Freck again. Freck, is it COB or SOB?

Speaker 2: 1:10:34

It's both actually ItO-B but you're right, it's an S.

Speaker 1: 1:10:41

It's an S-O-B or Scientology Boss Baby is like we like to call it. Mark, I changed my picture to Mr Bill because you don't like Gumby, damn it. No, no, I do like Gumby, I didn't, is it Pokey? No, oh, you're right, gumby. I know I like pokey better than Gumby, but I love Mr Bill too. Mr Bill, gumby, pokey, they're all. I'm very big fans of them. When I was a child and I would go to my dad's house, he would watch Saturday Night Live, and those are some of my favorite episodes ever.

Speaker 1: 1:11:12

Mr Bill, if anybody hasn't seen Mr Bill, you got to get in there and get some of that. Were the cans on the e-meter wiped down or cleaned between uses? Did anybody like them? Oh my gosh, that's such a great question. You could go. This is, oh my you're. So you have no idea, john.

Speaker 1: 1:11:31

You could go in session after someone else had been in session, and sometimes the auditor or the Scientology counselor would not wipe off the cans. And some people, their hands are super, super dry, and so it doesn't make a good connection with the cans on the e-meter. And so what Scientologists are supposed to do and this is taught in these films that we produced which is you gotta get some lotion on those hands and you gotta get them really goose, goose here for all those ASMR people. You got to get that lotion all like just move them up, just like, just get just cover, not just a squirt. We're talking about a good five, six, seven, 10 squirts of lotion. Get those things all lathered up and then they hold those cans for an hour or two and then you then they're done, they finish the session.

Speaker 1: 1:12:27

Then you come in for a sec check or something afterwards and you pick up those cans and it's like you've got to be kidding me. You've got to be kidding me. And when my hands are usually, if anything, they're, they're just a little bit kind of sweaty. So I would have to get tissues and I would almost always wipe my hands profusely before I go in a session, because they'd usually be a little bit sweaty and they'd say, hey, are your hands sweaty? And so I'd wipe them off, get it all ready, and then I'd pick up those juicy cans that have all slime, like ecto, covered with ectoplasm, and then it's just like, oh man, and now I'm, now I'm done, because my hands are already wet and now they got all this juice from the last guy on them.

Speaker 2: 1:13:11

Yeah, it's not and factor in to an. A session in Scientology. A counseling thing could be anywhere from a few minutes to eight, 10, 11 hours long.

Speaker 1: 1:13:25

Oh yeah, you could be in a marathon session or you could be there for an hour, so, but either way, yeah, you're. The auditors were supposed to wipe the cans off, but that's probably very low on the checklist of things that they're doing, so you could definitely pick up a greasy pair of cans that was leftovers from the guy before you. Thank you for that, john Denver, stevo, hi Headleys. Greetings from deep Southern westminster, colorado. I missed you guys. Thank you for sharing these amazing, insane stories. Osa smells like poo this week with denver steve-o premieres may 27 at 9 pm eastern time. Nice, mr plugs over here.

Speaker 2: 1:14:12

Thank you we appreciate all this support.

Speaker 1: 1:14:15

Um, then we got joe virus is Surge of Scientology, hoarding a huge armory in case the S hits the fan. Like a small arsenal, just a couple of guards with sidearms. You know, I really don't think they have a lot of weapons. They have some weapons at the end base and they have, like a shooting range. David Miscavige has a shooting range that he uses up by L Ron Hubbard's house, or he did when he was there at that property.

Speaker 2: 1:14:40

I don't think I want to say that's something we should tell Jackson to talk about on his channel when he launches. He has personal knowledge about that.

Speaker 1: 1:14:50

Yeah, I know the security guards. Some security guards were trained and had permits to carry, but I don't know that they're hoarding any huge armory. Thank you, Joe Freck. Again, all hail Mark's dad. Thank you for that. I appreciate it, Love it. Question when is the next Tori interview? I loved your last one.

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

Thank you, we will schedule another one.

Speaker 1: 1:15:14

There you go, fabian. Any theory why LRH preferred the camper instead of the open sea in his late years? You know that's a great question. He was literally living in a motor home, like like a total weirdo who had millions and millions of dollars. He was living in a bus that was a motor home and I'm not sure, maybe just because he wanted to be able to like GTFO when the feds showed up and just be able to drive off. I think that was the main reason. We should talk to John Brousseau or somebody like are you going to end up interviewing JB for your Shelly series?

Speaker 2: 1:15:57

I hope so. I haven't scheduled it yet. He's on my list, though, so for sure he was her brother-in-law.

Speaker 1: 1:16:02

He might as well, you might as well, talk to him if anybody knows about he was married to shelly's sister, clarice uh, for met for probably a decade or two at least yep um and he also.

Speaker 2: 1:16:14

He's absolutely on my list.

Speaker 1: 1:16:16

You know Mark Fisher was talking about how Dave used to get shuttled around in this blue van.

Speaker 2: 1:16:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:16:24

And that van was how he would go and meet with Pat Broker when they do their secret rendezvous, and then they would give each other bankers boxes of stuff from LRH and stuff to LRH and JB, I think, is the one who drove that van.

Speaker 2: 1:16:41

Oh yeah, that makes sense, cause JB was in later years Miscavige's driver as well.

Speaker 1: 1:16:47

Yeah, well, I know he was. Yeah, he was LRH's driver. Yeah, I don't know. I got to find out about that. I heard that he was one of either driving a van for Pat or he was with L Ron Hubbard or he was driving Dave, and also he was Dave's brother in law. So you know he was could be trusted, kind of thing. Yeah, katie O'Regan says ordered BFG book and it must be in the RPF because customs has been holding it for 10 days. Oh my.

Speaker 2: 1:17:13

God, can't wait till it arrives Good luck this week.

Speaker 1: 1:17:16

Sorry about that. So you know it's so weird. Sometimes we hear about people say like I ordered the BFG book and I had it three days later and they ordered it from England. And then sometimes we hear they ordered it from Australia and they got it like a month later.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

Oh my gosh, we had one a few weeks ago. Somebody ordered from Norway, I think, and I think, and it ended up all the way back to us. I was like, oh no, by no fault of theirs or ours, the address was correct. I was like here's an audio copy, here's a audible version for you.

Speaker 1: 1:17:46

I know we try to make it right Even when the shipping or the postal services kind of mess up. We try to throw in something if to. But you know we can't be, we can't control that. Sorry, katie, I hope you get it soon. Um, noel says love your channel and all sptv channels. Keep up the great work. Yeah, with the s, this sptv thing is spiraling out of control. We got kelly copter doing videos, we got tori, we got janice uh not spiraling out of control.

Speaker 2: 1:18:14

It's becoming a tidal wave that's gaining momentum.

Speaker 1: 1:18:17

It's incredible yeah, have you ever tried to control a tidal wave? Yeah, there's no controlling that. Scientology is just getting obliterated by Scientology content and our channels are smoking theirs, like they are getting so little traffic now because we nobody is going to find out anything over there of any substance.

Speaker 2: 1:18:39

Which just goes to show truth shall prevail.

Speaker 1: 1:18:42

Yes, thank you, noel. We appreciate it. Marilyn again, mark, sending hugs, have a beer on me and I'd be happy to yell at your mother. Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think, just like your adopted mom, marilyn, yelling is not going to be productive with them. They have. It's so funny because even Marilyn's mom had a falling out with the cult leader lady eventually.

Speaker 1: 1:19:10

And then, ended up not being involved with that specific lady and you go like you put us through hell for this lady and got us involved in this, and then you end up having a falling out and then you leave. It's just like, but it's so crazy to me. Thank you, marilyn, we appreciate it. You know now, I don't, I wouldn't. You're living. You're living your life. I love how, also how she um is a big Monty Python fan.

Speaker 2: 1:19:36

Uh, one of my, one of my favorite, marilyn can yell at my mom, that would be fine with me.

Speaker 1: 1:19:42

I love I like the Knights of Knee, the Knights of is it Knee, the Knights of Knee. I like all those. We used to listen and one of the places I worked in Scientology we used to listen to Monty Python tapes. We didn't have that many tapes, it was Monty Python and Depeche Mode, that's all we listened to.

Speaker 1: 1:19:57

Andy Fabulous, I thought all Sea Orgs loved doing recruiting because it got you away from orgs and allowed you to eat real food and have real room. No, in Los Angeles they didn't travel, they just went somewhere for the day. They weren't out on like a tour. I know there is um seer members that tour all over and try to recruit people, but um, abel wasn't touring around that much recruiting people. Uh, at least not further than orange county for the day, or some nonsense. Um, thank you, andy.

Speaker 1: 1:20:33

I know it's not topical, but to the stream, but tom cruise is invited to the king's coronation event. I know what a douche canoe. Um, the royals are, uh, the royals are. You know they'll suck up to tom cruise just like anybody else will. Um tom cruise being buddies and having the same award as lewis farrakhan and these other Scientology people that are getting awards and stuff that are like super, super racist. And then they're and Tom Cruise is like going to a place and they're honoring him, even though he's connected to people that are racist against them. It is insane to me. This, uh, I think it's the uh, we's, we's in thought. I don't remember the name of the place, but Mark Mike Rinder and I did a video on his channel about it. It's the Wiesenthal. I don't remember the name of the place, but Mike Rinder and I did a video on his channel about it. It's just ridiculous. Panko says good luck, claire. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 1:21:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:21:29

Claire, she can get, but she's going to slay it. No matter what, don't worry about Claire, she's going to LA to do what, uh, she does. She'll be awesome. Jane brown oh my god, I'm dying. Here's five for mark's sound effects. Oh my god, oh my god. Oh, you like it anyway. Um, thank you, jane, appreciate that it is pretty hilarious, miller.

Speaker 1: 1:21:52

Thank you, debbie, for the super sticker. That's awesome. Um, let me go back through here and see if I missed anything We've got. We've got to still have a lot of people in here. We've got 1,500 people in here on a Sunday. That's great, I love that Nice.

Speaker 2: 1:22:06

Thank you for joining us. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 1:22:08

What did you think about having James Corden? About James Corden having Cruz on? Oh, james Corden, jimmy Fallon, jimmy Kimmel these guys all just suck up to Cruz. Jimmy Kimmel did make a Scientology joke which might have burned his bridge with Cruz. I don't know about that. But yeah, tom Cruise, those guys, they, those guys want to get ratings. They need clicks, they need everything. So Tom Cruise gets clicks. It is what it is. I've done a few videos that I talk about Tom Cruise. Those videos tend to do better than other videos, but I don't talk about Cruise. He likes to run fast and jump off of high shit. Who gives a shit?

Speaker 2: 1:22:55

While being an incredibly shitty parent. Yeah, he's a horrible parent.

Speaker 1: 1:23:00

That was another thing. Scientology profess to be experts on relationships. The guy that founded the joint had three wives. He kidnapped the first wife's kid. He pretended the second wife and his other kid didn't exist and then he let his third wife go to jail for shit he told her to do and that she fell on his sword for, and then, after she went to jail, he basically disconnected from her and she was an sp and she lived in seclusion for the rest of her life. After she got out of prison and lived in las filiz, he could have gone and seen her. He didn't. Yeah, he, that's the guy who, who started the joint, dave Miscavige, has disappeared. His wife, tom Cruz, is on what? Wife number three or four or something like that. These aren't the guys that you want to get your relationship advice from.

Speaker 2: 1:23:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:23:56

Yeah, not good at all. What else? Oh, that was so. That was one of the other things I wanted to talk about. You know, I got an email from did you get this email from? Abc Nightline?

Speaker 2: 1:24:07

I think I saw a copy of the email to you Because it came to me on my email.

Speaker 1: 1:24:12

I got an. I got an email. Guys, I was going to do a whole, I might do a total, separate video about this. I don't know. I got an email from abc light nightline and they wanted to interview me, um, in relation to this trial and scientology and all this stuff. And I thought to myself and you guys mentioned in the comments what you, what you, think about this but abc nightline came here to Colorado and they interviewed Claire and I for days. They spent days here at our house in Colorado. They interviewed us, they videoed us, we did interviews with them. We did a whole bunch of stuff. A whole film crew.

Speaker 1: 1:24:50

It wasn't like just a reporter came, no, they sent a team of people. There was paperwork, there was releases, there was releases, there was this was going to be an entire episode of ABC Nightline. We did one of the interviews that we did with them. When Claire and I were doing the interview, claire was crying, the entire film crew were crying and then I started crying because of what we were talking about and how emotional it was. And if you don't think, that was amazing TV and that would have been like one of the best episodes that they did of the year. You're a loony tune. This was going to be some must-see TV and it was also during a time when Scientology was not being covered by anybody. Scientology had scared all sorts of media people into not covering Scientology, so it would have been a big deal if they would have shown this episode. It never saw the light of day. Not one second of this thing ever saw the light of day.

Speaker 2: 1:25:53

I feel like and this was before the aftermath, oh yeah, yeah, it was like 2014 or 2015,. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm, I'm, I don't know. I think the next time that they approached us, we said, well, we'll do it, but but you have to let us have a copy of the footage. They didn't like that either.

Speaker 1: 1:26:18

I remember, yeah, it was like, hey, why don't you give us that footage that you shot? That was amazing and organically entirely emotional, and then maybe we'll do something. And they didn't do it. Anyway, I sort of feel like emailing them back and being like, why don't you dip into the archives, guys, you've got some great footage. Anyway, I sort of feel like emailing them back and be like, why don't you dip into the archives, guys, you've got some great footage. And also it probably holds up very well to what's happening today. Claire looks exactly the same. She looks as beautiful as ever. I was a big fat pig back in 2014.

Speaker 1: 1:26:59

And I probably look like my face is probably this wide compared to how I am now, but my belly was definitely bigger. Stop it. I was big. I was big all around. Body shaming, honey, it's not OK. I'm not body shaming, I'm talking about me and that I was larger than I am now. But regardless of any of that, the content still stands and it was very. It was an amazing interview that they shot and if you make these film crews they've heard it all, they've seen it all. If those guys are crying behind the camera and the sound guy was crying, I mean, come on, come on, yeah, anyway, oh, by the way, I had a really good idea.

Speaker 2: 1:27:40

Uh, somebody was commenting how we're going on 30 years strong and and they're right we're coming up on 31 in august, maybe what are you talking about?

Speaker 1: 1:27:48

30, what you guys?

Speaker 2: 1:27:49

30 years of marriage there you go there you go. I'm sorry, my seg segway skills need some work every once in a while 30 years folks. Yes, so let's do our wedding edition.

Speaker 1: 1:28:03

I've been married more than L Ron Hubbard All his marriages put together. I think we should check that out. I might actually have one marriage. Well, I obviously have one marriage. Well, I don't know that for sure. We should do the math on this. Well, I don't know that for sure. We should do the math on this. Have we been married for longer than Hubbard was to any one of his wives? Somebody do the math on this. Find out what's going on. But he also didn't see his last wife for the last several years of her life before he passed away.

Speaker 2: 1:28:33

Yeah, Either way the point is that on our anniversary we should do a whole edition, a whole special edition on our wedding and like some of the stories about our you know, you and I specifically because we don't really talk about some of that stuff very much other than you know snippets. So yeah, that would be fun.

Speaker 1: 1:28:55

I'm game for that. I'll do that. I'm up for anything. I mean we're talking about me being passed out on Hollywood Boule fun. I'm game for that. I'll do that. I'm up for anything. I mean, we're talking about me being passed out on Hollywood Boulevard while I was blackout drunk, so why not talk about when I had a good time? Batgoat, can I pay you not to make that noise again? Possibly, possibly, I don't know how much, but it's definitely in the mix. Anon Mark know how much, but it's, it's, it's definitely in the mix.

Speaker 1: 1:29:19

Anon Mark, did you know that the couriers that is, a family that I went to school with the couriers had another baby to bring Chris back. It was a girl and they didn't tell her. So this family, as far as I know, the I used to live right down the street from this family it was they were called the couriers and my friend, chris courier that I went to school with, he was he was the oldest and he had two younger twin brothers and, I think, their oldest son, the one that I went to school with. He had cancer and he passed away, and I think what this person is saying is that they had another baby so that he could go into the new baby. And I want to say, somebody told me not only did he pass away, but then one of his younger twin brothers also passed away.

Speaker 1: 1:30:03

I don't know if that's true, but whoever you are, you can email me. I won't share your information. I know you want to be anonymous here, but I believe it. I believe it, dude. His mother's name was Beth Currier and I can't remember the dad's name right now. Um, but uh, it was like Ted or Todd or I don't remember. Um, but yeah, they lived in Tujunga in California, right near where I lived when I, when I worked at Delphi. Um, thanks for that. Ain't on Andy? Fabulous Claire, maybe Leah will make you breakfast like Aaron. Oh, my gosh, aaron. So we did this live with Erin. She's Leah's ironing his shirts, like doing his laundry and ironing his shirts, and she made him breakfast.

Speaker 1: 1:30:44

Oh my gosh, Unbelievable. Uh Freck again. What's the difference between a pre-clear and an OT about 250,000? Yep, that nails it. That's a great.

Speaker 2: 1:30:55

It could be 500,000, but yes, yep, that nails it, that's great, it could be 500,000, but yes, yeah, and really the difference is pre-clear is before they're clear. After you've attained the state of clear, technically you're referred to as a pre-OT because then, now that you've achieved the state of clear, now you're pre-OT and you're going to go on to do your upper levels of Scientology.

Speaker 1: 1:31:16

Yes. Upper levels of Scientology yes. A Janssen says it would be great if SPTV could do a piece on the XS4 all case. It was a big deal over here in the Netherlands. Court cases on freedom of speech yeah, again, if Mike knows anything about it, it's very possible that we could do a video on it. I think when that took place I was working at the headquarters, so we would have had I personally would have had no exposure to that whatsoever Deviant outcast make Mike's making some serious BFS and Swedish customs. He's on his ninth day now and because tomorrow's may 1st he'll be there at least two more days.

Speaker 1: 1:31:56

Oh man I think you're talking about a bobblehead.

Speaker 2: 1:31:58

Yeah, no that's a bobblehead, that I sent that's deviant outcast.

Speaker 1: 1:32:02

Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1: 1:32:03

Oh yeah yeah, yeah, sorry about that. I'm not sure what to say about that. Swedish customs. Maybe they're not, I don't know. Maybe people are hiding nonsense and bobbleheads. They're going to Sweden some bobbleheads. They're going to Sweden.

Speaker 1: 1:32:19

Michelle McIntosh says the ABC to bugger off. The ABC to bugger off and go with the reporter that is killing it A run. Good luck next week, claire. Yeah, that's what that's. Immediately was my first response. I'm like ABC Nightline. You can go screw yourself.

Speaker 1: 1:32:32

You're emailing me so that I can be on your channel and that you can get advertising money, when I've already done this for you and you never even aired the thing. Why am I even talking to you? More people are going to see the video I do on YouTube than your nonsense. That's sort of what I was going to email back. I don't know what I actually will email. I need to discuss this with my counsel. Purple Groovy, 69. Meaning me. Is the guy that performed your nuptials still alive? Sadly, he is not. He was a Scientologist. He worked actually with Claire for a time in the same division that she worked in at the base and his name was Paul Schoble. Paul Schoble was the funniest MF-er there was and he told the funniest stories and when we do the video about our marriage, we'll tell some real fun stuff about this guy, paul.

Speaker 2: 1:33:26

Schoble. Yeah, and the sad part too about Paul is that his wife, kathy Schoble, was never. He was at the headquarters where we were working. She was a case supervisor at Celebrity Center, so he very rarely saw her.

Speaker 1: 1:33:42

Yeah, he wasn't allowed to go see her in Los Angeles. So for a little while you could kind of go see somebody every few weeks or maybe on the weekend during your sleep time. I'd go Saturday night and be back at Saturday at lunch. And then they outlawed that at the end base. They didn't allow people who had spouses to go visit them in Los Angeles anymore and then Because it was other fish to fry.

Speaker 1: 1:34:04

Yeah, they called it other fish to fry. I think he passed away. I was told he passed away of cancer, which is sad. Rest in peace, Paul Shobes. We called him. Rest in peace, Shobes. Andy. Fabulous, 31 years for my wife and I come August. Well, congrats to you, Andy. Fabulous, 31 years for my wife and I come in August as well. Yeah, Lori Pachia says I have a fundraising idea. Ask Ron's estate for access to his original music. Make a jazz CD called no One Blows Harder Than Miscavige. I miss him. Yeah, Harder Than Miscavige, I miss him. Yeah, we miss Miscavige too. We actually went on cruise with Ron Miscavige, David Miscavige's father. We went on several cruises with him and his wife Becky and our kids had a great relationship with him and we had tons of fun.

Speaker 2: 1:34:55

The best time we played birthday to our son was to his day on trumpet like playing happy birthday. It was very cool.

Speaker 1: 1:35:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:35:04

Our boys loved that.

Speaker 1: 1:35:06

Yeah, it was pretty cool when he played. He just literally whipped out the trumpet and started paying happy birthday in the dining room with all the people that were there eating on the cruise and yeah, our kids really did love that. Rusty says who was the interviewer. Oh, I don't even know. It wasn't somebody that I knew, like when I saw the email it wasn't a name I recognized, but it was just a concept like ABC.

Speaker 1: 1:35:32

Now that there's this trial and there's some, it's newsworthy. Now they want to talk to us, like when we were making 35 cents, 36 cents an hour and we, we got disconnected from our family and all these things happened. Oh, ho, hum. But now, oh, scientologists on trial and somehow we, you might have some information. Come talk to us. You know, it's just like to me. I'm just like not feeling it. Um, okay, guys, that was a pretty good video. Uh, it's been a buck. We're almost at a buck 37. Um, thank you for everybody who joined us. Thank you, kelly copter. Um, and uh, goldie. Goldie is like the super moderator of the universe, just in case you guys don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:36:21

And thank you to all 1,500 people here joining us and building this amazing and supportive community of SPTV. It is something to bold.

Speaker 1: 1:36:33

And now that I'm back in Colorado and I had a long drive to think about a ton of new videos, I'm going to be cranking them out this week. Guys, I'm just going to be on a mad tear while Claire's gone. I'll do lives with Aaron. I'll do lives with Mike. I'll do my own videos. I'm going to do some more spy files. I haven't been getting into any of the spy files for a few weeks. We're going to do some spy files. I haven't been getting into any of the spy files for a few weeks. We're going to do some spy files. We're going to do uh, claire's got a whole bunch of interviews that she's got stacked up that I'm going to be editing. So we have a ton of stuff.

Speaker 1: 1:37:07

So, if you're not subscribed, subscribed. We did hit 29 K and uh, in the last few days and Claire sent out a bobblehead. Somebody won. When every time we take over another thousand subscribers, we give somebody a book, a bobblehead or a bracelet and uh, so we've been giving out those things and uh, people, uh people are loving it. So we're going to keep doing it. And, um, yeah, we've got some good stuff coming up.

Speaker 1: 1:37:33

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Speaker 2: 1:38:16

Bella saying bye to. She's right next to me. Bye is saying bye too. She's right next to me. German Shepherd goodbye, thanks, guys.

Speaker 1: 1:38:21

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