Exploring Scientology's Mysteries: E-Meter Evolution, Leadership Inspections, and Hidden Deceptions - Scientology Q&A #26

Originally aired on YouTube May 2, 2023.

This episode navigates the ongoing Scientology trial while uncovering the roles of e-meters and personal experiences of former members. Through a blend of storytelling and expert insights, our hosts provide an evocative look into the complexities of life after Scientology, illustrating the impact of this organization on personal identity and community connections. 

• Exploring the introduction of colorful lighting and personal updates 
• Insights into current Scientology trials and their implications 
• Unpacking the significance of e-meters in the auditing process 
• Personal encounters of hosts with the Scientology organization 
• Reflections on the challenges faced by ex-Scientologists 
• Listener Q&A session addressing common curiosities about Scientology 
• Reminder on the importance of truth and combating misinformation

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:11

This is our special Tuesday edition of Monday Night Live, and it's the first time we're doing this one with Amy.

Speaker 2 0:20

Welcome, amy, yes yes, thank you so much. Nice to be here with you. I'm going to keep everybody in line tonight.

Speaker 3 0:29

Oh, listen to this. Like, like does that when she's here. Yeah, we let them think they do.

Speaker 2 0:35

Oh yes.

Speaker 4 0:37

Okay, general public announcement. First, the new lights from Maria, now that I am home, are installed. Look at those things and I can change the color Like it's got this app. That is pretty damn cool.

Speaker 2 0:57

I can just go in here and like, oh, now check that out.

Speaker 3 1:00

Yeah, wow, I think that was making your camera wig out a little. One of those colors made your camera freak out a little bit.

Speaker 4 1:06

Oh, I can do themes, all sorts of stuff here.

Speaker 3 1:10

It's pretty amazing Totally uncoordinated. I also changed my lights too. I switched from red to blue. I'm going to do it every month. The beginning of every month I'm switching to a different color.

Speaker 2 1:21

Well, mine's curtains, so it's going to stay green for a while. But you do a different color. Well, mine's curtains, so it's going to stay green for a while.

Speaker 1 1:28

Yeah, what made you decide to go blue? Is that because someone said cool in the back, warm in the front?

Speaker 4 1:33

No, that's because Maria said I think blue looks great and she sent me the lights so I did blue.

Speaker 3 1:42

Oh no, I meant Mark changed from like devil red, devil red to, uh, smurf blue um well, I had blue when I was at the hotel and so many people like the blue, I was like I'll switch to the blue when I get home nice, nice, nice, nice, all right.

Speaker 1 1:58

So what's going on with you guys?

Speaker 3 2:01

oh, I'm, I'm taking care of the fort here. I lost, lost my uh, my better half, to Los Angeles. I had to share her with uh with that place and so, uh, yeah, I've been running around like a crazy person, uh, doing science projects and all kinds of other things with the boys, so, uh, oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 2:17

So you're Mr, you're Mr, mom for the next couple of days. Yeah and um. So at the end of court today, judge Almeida said to Philip Cohen you have 45 more minutes tomorrow morning and you're done.

Speaker 2 2:32

Nice.

Speaker 1 2:33

And she said we're going to do very brief redirect, very brief recross, and that means Claire will be up before lunchtime. Wow, wow, wow, wow yeah and I know I, I know I've heard, oh, maybe it'll be, you know, wednesday and thursday. I'm sorry and I don't, since when does an expert witness take more than you know one day on the stand? That hasn't been the case. Maybe they're gonna. They really want to dig into the scientology stuff, but I don't know. She could be done tomorrow. She could be done tomorrow.

Speaker 4 2:58

Oh, I'm I'm predicting she will absolutely be done tomorrow. If they are are smart, they will avoid Claire at all costs. It's going to be a bad news downhill slide if they try and challenge her on Scientology.

Speaker 3 3:20

Yeah, because if they want to ask her about specifics, she will have days of specifics.

Speaker 2 3:27

Yep, oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 3:29

Anyway, yeah, I don't know, I don't pretend to know, I don't talk about it with Claire, I don't know anything. So I'm not going to make any predictions, except for when she's done she'll come home.

Speaker 4 3:43

That's good. And we're going to count on.

Speaker 2 3:45

Aaron to give us all the scoop.

Speaker 1 3:48

Yes, and so, actually, we see, well, I obviously can give any scoop on anything that I see in the courtroom, obviously, but what we don't know and I'm one well, it sounds like you guys haven't spoken about even something like this. Mark, I don't know. If Claire I hope she can Can Claire jump on with you and do a video with you about this is what I did, this is what it was like, this is what I think. Or can she do a debrief? Of course you can, right, because she's just if I can do it.

Speaker 3 4:17

She can do it, I think after after she's done and or I want to say after the trial is done.

Speaker 1 4:26

yeah, because she has to go back. It seems unfair that I'll be able to talk about it but she won't.

Speaker 4 4:31

But that's okay, yeah, but you're not. You're not there as a, as a witness or an expert, not on this and and the. The thing that she can't do, during the trial at least, is come out and make statements that would indicate that she is not, that she has some personal bent in the matter, rather than she testified to the facts that were being asked of her as an expert in an unbiased fashion. Now, unbiased doesn't mean it's good for Scientology, but she can't be perceived as being a biased expert. She has to be a fair expert. Yeah right, tell the truth.

Speaker 3 5:35

So she has to be kind of careful, like she doesn't want to, and I would tell her, yeah, right, that we're not going to talk about anything about this case until there's a ruling in the case.

Speaker 4 5:46

Yes, I think that's very smart Mark. Yeah, that would be my advice to her too.

Speaker 3 5:55

Scientology will use any excuse they can find under the sun, moon and stars to make this a mistrial or have a reason for walking it back or you name it. That's their only hope is to kind of make this thing so we don't hear all the facts, Right.

Speaker 1 6:14

That's interesting. That is interesting. Let's see. I don't know, do you guys, do you have any questions for me about trial stuff, or do you just want to start answering questions?

Speaker 3 6:23

Well, I was just going to tell you guys. I did a video the other day about uh. After the video we did aaron, I talked about the kids making the e-meters yeah, yeah, I saw that and I asked.

Speaker 3 6:36

In the video I said, hey, I know some of you kids are out there. If you guys are watching this video, reach out and give me the skinny. They did and I have so much more information on what went down and it's so much that I have to do a whole nother follow up video. And but down to David Miscavige going to the ranch. He went to the ranch and he was doing an inspection. That's where they had all the kids that were the children of Sea Org members that worked at the Ent Base. He went to the ranch and he asked somebody what do you see? And the other person that was with him say I don't, I just see a bunch of kids. He goes I don't see any kids, I see a bunch of people that can be working on e-meters.

Speaker 2 7:28

Oh my.

Speaker 3 7:30

And that's how they ended up at the end Fixing and building e-meters.

Speaker 2 7:34

And we should audit him on some of those e-meters the kids built.

Speaker 3 7:38

Oh, my goodness. Anyway, and then I got so much more information and even how the backlog because you know we used to have all these meters and how the backlog was created by David. Everything was, it's all him in. Every path leads to David Miscavige. So so we're going to do a follow up video. Hopefully I can do that tomorrow, but anyway, it was very crazy. And also I got reached out to some other people in relation to the e-meter, which I'm going to talk about in the video, and it is very well. Actually, I'm going to bring it up right now and ask Mike, mike, do you know if there's any reason on why Scientology would send the e-meter to an engineering company to have it reverse engineered?

Speaker 4 8:28

The only reason I can think for that, Mark, is to figure out whether someone else is going to be able to do it and steal it.

Speaker 3 8:36

Okay, that was one of the reasons I had. The other reason was if they didn't pay the designers who designed it with the software and everything, if they didn't get all of the stuff and then they went to go build it somewhere else and they didn't have something, they needed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 8:55

I agree that could be very likely. I think the first reason is probably the most likely.

Speaker 2 9:01

You think so yeah?

Speaker 3 9:03

Or the other thing was that the one of the people that holds the patent on the e-meter is the gentleman who was is, uh, arguably maybe the smartest technically the smartest person on that entire property. Um, his name was bruce plots, and he was a technician and he was a mad, mad genius in terms of. He still is. I love Bruce Plutz.

Speaker 2 9:29

I worked with him for years.

Speaker 3 9:30

Yeah, my company has hired him to do work for us because he's so genius, but he was one of the patent holders on the e-meter.

Speaker 2 9:41

I never knew that. Yeah, if you look up the patent his name is right there on it. Go Bruce.

Speaker 3 9:47

I don't know if that's another reason why they needed to read maybe change the design in a little bit of a way so that it wouldn't be under his patent.

Speaker 4 9:55

Bruce needs to get himself some of that.

Speaker 3 9:59

Yeah, trust me, I'm I'm investigating this fully to find out if Bruce has any do-re-mi coming in his way.

Speaker 4 10:09

Bruce has done the most amazing comments on my blog. Every time he comments on my blog. It's like one of those things and you go oh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 10:21

Yeah, what was your question, aaron?

Speaker 1 10:23

Has anyone asked Bruce how he managed to get his name on a patent for the E-meter?

Behind the Scenes at Scientology Orgs

Speaker 3 10:30

Oh, he designed all the circuit boards that were used for anything in Scientology Back in 1955?.

Speaker 4 10:36

I mean the E-meter's been around since oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no For the Mach Super 7.

Speaker 1 10:40

Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 10:40

Mach 7. The Quantum, the Quantum.

Speaker 3 10:47

The yeah mark seven quantum all those little. Yeah, I think I want to say that bruce was around since the mark six um he he was.

Speaker 2 10:53

He was in la before he came to the base and he might have worked at bridge on the mark six, I can find out from it.

Speaker 3 10:59

But either way, at least the super 7, the Quantum and the Mark VIII he would have been there for.

Speaker 4 11:06

But anyway, and they all went from the design of the Mark V, which was I don't know what you call it solid state Mark, something like that and then they got transistorized, basically in circuit boards, and Bruce was the one that did the circuit board designs to replace the moving mechanical parts that were in the old Mark V email. Yes, that's exactly right.

Speaker 2 11:34

I'll tell you one thing about that whole time period busted one of my millions of times from the watchdog committee, they put me on post.

Speaker 2 11:46

I was posted in gold as the circuit board assembly in charge, not knowing a single thing about electronics.

Speaker 2 11:55

And so Bruce Hines I mean Bruce Plotz was my mentor and he helped me figure it out because we had worked together on building the sound studio and I did all the electrical and electronics logistics for that project and bruce and I worked in the same office anyway. Um, so one time I'll just tell this little tidbit, um, which is so you, we basically are soldering little you know connections onto these circuit boards, and but Tom Cruise was going to come for an you know walkthrough of the property. So all of a sudden, like 50 people are added into the area where I worked, all put into uniforms that they didn't normally wear, and they come in here. I turn on this big wave soldering machine which you know we never used, and and we're like you know, you know ramming things through it that we're not even gonna sell or anything, just to like make it look like something's happening, and so so he could be paraded through like a peacock and everyone's like standing at attention and just, it's a complete facade. They're just stroking each other nonstop.

Speaker 3 13:07

It's funny. It's funny that they play movie magic, even for Tom Cruise, right? Everything about movie magic Golden era is always about appearances and how it looks. Even to a guy that's from that world. They still put all these actors in there and prop it up and do it Like, make make believe, to show off for Tom Cruise and that's the world that he lives in, and they just like whatever he won't know.

Speaker 2 13:34

And then change your uniform and then go to the next department.

Speaker 3 13:38

I remember I worked in manufacturing. There was so many times when, like if, who was it that came one time. Oh, it was when the nightline, when they uh that ted koppel, yeah, yeah. So we did the same thing for that. We had all these people we had from areas that abc were not going to go to, people from those areas got dressed up and went to other areas to make it look like they were full and it wasn't just like three people making e-meeters for the whole world.

Speaker 4 14:08

And, of course, as soon as they leave the room, those people scuttle back to the galley to cook for lunch. Yeah, or they're off digging the weeds, yeah.

Speaker 3 14:21

Oh, another thing I was going to say, aaron, is that when you did that video about the number of Scientologists another thing that's a real key metric and I meant to mention it in my other e-meter video and I'll mention it on the next one I do but there's serial numbers on every single e-meter, so you know exactly how many we've made, and when I was there it was in the 30,000s. That's how many e-meters total had ever been made, and every Scientologist that uses an e-meter is. They are all it's encouraged but it's sort of it's a rule in Scientology that you're supposed to have two. You're supposed to have your one you use and you're supposed to have a backup. Scientology that you're supposed to have two. You're supposed to have your one you use, you're supposed to have a backup. So if we only made 30,000 and everybody's supposed to have two, that pegs the number of Scientologists at around 15,000.

Speaker 1 15:19

Well, every auditor is supposed to have two.

Speaker 3 15:20

But most Scientologists aren't auditors. That's true. But if you're going up the bridge and you're an active Scientologist, it is assumed that you also purchase an e-meter and you audit a little bit too. So I'm just saying it's not that was.

Speaker 1 15:34

So what I want to do and I just haven't taken the time I wanted to take your e-meter figure because I've heard you say that before and I wanted to actually build a spreadsheet similar to the one that I did for members and I wanted to do because orgs will buy meters, that's right and that's what I was going to say. I wanted to have them in stock. That's right, the stock, but also not just stock in the bookstore.

Speaker 1 15:54

Like you've got your call, meter, your exam meter your academy meter, all that stuff, your dear review, and I wanted to do an estimate of how many e-meters are just baked into the infrastructure of Scientology and then figure out how many more meters must have been purchased beyond that and and kind of back into what does it mean, exactly like how does one number match up with the other number? And it's going to take some time, totally you know, but it'll be.

Speaker 3 16:16

They also have numbers go from the Mach 5 to the Mach 6, to the Mach 7, to no each one has its own separate set of 30 000 mark eight that was what you were saying or 30 000 mark seven well, yeah, this was mark sevens when we were there, but I remember when they made the mark eights they only made a fixed number and even those it was uh, it wasn't a lot, it wasn't more than we had ever made of the mark sevens, so it was a lesser number. Yeah, so, either way, and the other thing I was going to say, aaron, is even the lrh offices in all the orgs they have an e-meter on the desk.

Speaker 1 16:55

Yes, exactly and usually a special planetary december version like the metal plated version, yep like $20,000.

Speaker 3 17:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2 17:05

For Elrond Hubbard.

Inspection and Deception in Scientology

Speaker 1 17:07

Can we go back to the putting on the show for Tom Cruise? Because these things shouldn't surprise me. Sometimes it just hits you a little different. Here's the thing I've always wondered like does Miscavige and I feel like I've answered, you've answered the question with your Tom Cruise story. When Miscavige is coming through the pack base and all the orgs drop everything and white glove everything and they stuff the course rooms, you have to go. Miscavige knows he's being lied to, right, and I guess there's a part of him that's like well, maybe he doesn't. And then you're like wait, wait, he lies for Tom Cruise. He knows damn well everyone's lying for him.

Speaker 1 17:43

What's the point of doing an inspection if all you're asking for is for everyone to lie to you.

Speaker 2 17:49

He does surprise inspections, he likes to catch people off guard because he knows that people will try to pull the wool over his eyes.

Speaker 4 17:56

But there is another part to it too, aaron. The very fact of him going around and being lied to and the course rooms being stuffed and et cetera, et cetera, is everybody is in on it and it reinforces this idea that within Scientology, we all do the wink wink. We all know that it's bullshit, but we keep telling one another that it's really great, that everything is going wonderful, the orgs are full, we're clearing the planet, there's more demand for Scientology, and even that part of the charade plays into the bigger picture of the charade. They know they're bullshitting him, he knows he's bullshitting them. Then you come to the end events. They all know he's bullshitting them, he knows he's bullshitting them, and they're all up, jumping up and down, giving standing ovations and rah-rah-ing one another, because that's the shtick that goes on in Scientology. It's like everybody lies to everybody and everybody knows it. But it's just, that's how it is.

Speaker 3 19:15

Yeah, I think that that might even be why it's so easy for them to lie to the media and to lie to the authorities and for them to lie to each other. It's sort of part of the culture that you fake it till you make it kind of thing. That's like. That is Scientology in a nutshell. They're all just faking it. There's no way you could watch these events, event after event and after event, and here David Miscavige talking about the millions and millions of people that are getting into scientology, and then you go to your org and the clay is still in the wrapper from the org opening.

Speaker 1 19:51

That happened eight months ago am I the only one who thought everything in the events was true? Was it just me?

Speaker 3 19:57

yeah, yeah you gullible fool. Anybody that worked it in knew it's all movie magic, though. Even the org openings like when we would open a, an org, or we would have an org that went saint hill size and we would do a video on it. There were times when they would just grab people off the street and say, hey, if you want to be in a, uh, you want to be on tv, you want to be in a video. And they see all the cameras and everything. And then they're like, oh, yeah. And then you just come in and they just sit down at a table and you tell them here, put these headphones on, and they're listening to a lecture, but not really. And yeah, and that's what we would shoot and that's the video that would show at the event. It's just some rando off the street sitting in the course room studying. It's just some rando off the street sitting in the course room studying Guys.

Speaker 4 20:45

I just want to recount something because it reminded me. Shortly after the Berlin Wall fell, I went to Berlin with David Miscavige, norman Starkey, mark Yeager, guillaume Leserve to do an inspection. And we went to East Berlin and it was like very soon, like maybe a month after the wall fell, and when you drive into East Berlin at that time, where the wall was within the first half a mile, it was all modern buildings, everything was clean, it all looked perfect. I mean there wasn't a piece of paper on the street. And we drove another mile into the places that you couldn't see from the west, the houses and the apartments. They still had bullet holes in them from World War II, literally.

Speaker 4 21:45

It was just run down the whole thing was a show. And it was a show to prove that their, their way, their system, their technology was superior and demonstrate that to the west. And they did it with their athletes, and they did. You know, it was all propped up bullshit to pretend and make them feel better about what they were doing, like, yeah, see, look how superior we are. And that is a Scientology trait too. They love to tell themselves that they are incredibly superior to everybody else. Just look at all the stuff that we're doing. Look at the amazing accomplishments we have. Look at how we're clearing the planet. Our orgs are full, etc. Etc. Etc. It's just like East Germany.

Speaker 1 22:41

Incredible. Wow, that's a great story. I mean mean, how cool was it to be in east germany at like, it was pretty cool it was and it was very weird like it was.

Speaker 4 22:55

Like you went from the, from west berlin, which at the time was still like very enclosed and uh, sort of an enclave that sat in the middle of East Germany Big wall, but now the wall isn't there. We went through, we drove through Checkpoint Charlie and it's still just like it was still just like it was in the movies, you know, the barbed wire, the big open stretch, the barbed wire, the God houses on either side, the people meeting in the middle of the bridge, it was. It was kind of bizarre and kind of eye opening to see how terrible the real state of of the communist countries was. Just it was crazy, wow, yeah, amazing. And they drove these little trebant cars that were like little two-cylinder pumping out diesel fumes, you know, 14 horsepower, it's just it. It was a weird place.

Speaker 1 24:06

Guys, there's a comment that keeps catching my eye that I just want to throw up here, cause it's kind of cracking me up. Can we talk about how Giovanni Ribisi is in a show about Waco called the aftermath? What? No, it's called Waco the aftermath. Oh, I watched that show. I didn't realize Giovanni Ribisi was in there. No, it's called Waco the Aftermath.

Speaker 4 24:25

Oh, I watched that show. I didn't realize Giovanni Ribisi was in that.

Speaker 1 24:29

Well, I don't know, oh, no, that must be another one that I watched, the documentary one yeah.

Speaker 3 24:38

Anyway, that's a little crazy. That is crazy. Also, Mike, I do have to show this A Trabant is 25.8 horsepower. Oh sorry, Somebody got.

Speaker 2 24:50

I love our audience.

Speaker 3 24:51

A Trabant expert was like.

Speaker 4 24:55

What did I say?

Speaker 3 24:55

14? 15. Yeah, well, I was.

Speaker 4 25:02

I was dissing them badly, yeah.

Speaker 3 25:06

We got some really eagle eyes in here tonight.

Speaker 2 25:09

Yeah, can't get away with anything.

Speaker 3 25:11

Are you, are you guys ready to do some questions? We are already up to 50 questions and we already have 30. I'm telling you, aaron, we were. I remember the good old days we would literally jump up and down if we had 2,500 people in the chat. And we're only a few minutes in and we got 3,400 in here right now.

Speaker 1 25:28

So can you remind me what our record was last time?

Speaker 3 25:31

I was. I think it was 4,600 and something I think it was 4,646 or something.

Speaker 4 25:37

Wow, you got up to 4,646?. Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 25:41

Well, we should have everybody get on four different devices so that every single one of our channels is being watched at the same time.

Speaker 1 25:50

Amy, Amy, Amy, Amy. You don't need four different devices, you can just open four different browser tabs.

Speaker 2 25:57

Sounded more dramatic.

Speaker 1 26:01

But let's see, do we have any giveaways that we're going to do this time?

Speaker 4 26:06

Oh, we forgot to organize that.

Speaker 2 26:08

I can give away one of my books Science, biology, abuse at the top.

Speaker 3 26:12

Okay.

Speaker 2 26:13

Cause I I have how about we give away four of them.

Speaker 3 26:16

Sure, well, she's, she's trying to sell them. She's trying to sell them.

Speaker 1 26:24

This is promo cost. Yeah, mike, you got a book. I have a book, mike has a book.

Speaker 4 26:29

Mark has a book. I tell you what I got a book. At the end I will give away a signed book.

Speaker 1 26:36

There you go. Okay, good, yes.

Speaker 4 26:38

You can send me what you want me to say in it. Awesome this, and send me what you want me to say in it.

Speaker 3 26:43

Awesome. This is not a giveaway, but I did want to show it off because I was just sent it today from Marilyn Honig. This is a volcano with body Thetans coming out of it, and this is a soul catching device, right here at the top, don't get too close to it.

Speaker 1 27:06

Oh no, these are tasty. Want to call it a bt catcher it's it?

Speaker 3 27:09

no, it has a name. It's called volcano body faintings and soul catcher. That is the actual, proper nomenclature per the ot3 south park. Uh, this, and this is actually very close. I think south park is the, the, the template for all of these, the. Whatever was in South Park is what gets crocheted.

Speaker 1 27:28

That, reminds me, brings up an important question here Is a BT a BT if it's not stuck to a B?

Speaker 3 27:35

Oh, I think it is.

Speaker 1 27:38

Yes, it is. So the BTs can be blowing in the solar winds. And there's still BTs.

Speaker 3 27:44

It's like a tadpole. It's still a frog, but it's a tadpole right now.

Speaker 2 27:51

Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 27:51

Yeah, exactly I love it.

Speaker 2 27:52

That's the perfect analogy.

Speaker 3 27:54

You know, the best part is we were arguing about something about this the other day and somebody was like how are you, why are we arguing over the facts of it? Isn't this all bullshit? Yes, it's like yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 1 28:08

It's expensive bullshit though. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 28:12

We need to be technically correct when we talk about this bullshit yeah.

Religious Beliefs and Scientology Experiences

Speaker 1 28:17

All right. So let's see, we got Stephanie Sandoval. Thank you for the super sticker. Stephanie Sandoval, jerry Nodine AKA Sarasota Jerry. Hi everyone. Amy, I enjoyed your video of your testimony. Thanks, sptv rocks, yeah, thank you. Amy, I got to tell you you got the Christian market cornered for SPTV, that is for sure.

Speaker 2 28:40

Yeah, I have a lot of people writing to me and contacting me and I love it and I welcome it.

Speaker 1 28:45

I think it's great, because anytime anyone asks us about our religious beliefs, we don't have anything good to say.

Speaker 3 28:52

So we don't have anything bad to say, just we're not, we, just you know we don't have much to say at all. Just taking a break from organized religion, I know.

Speaker 1 28:58

So it's refreshing to actually have something. I mean, I guess everything we have to say is worthwhile, but you guys know what I mean. I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 29:07

And plus, mark, I'm, I have taken my mass a massive break from organized religion. I don't, I'm not, I don't belong to any organization or any church. No one claims me nothing besides God. So, yeah, yeah, I'm not my, my PTSD with organized religion, I think, is sufficient. That you know, I I just can't go there right now, but but I have a relationship with God and so that's just as strong as is can be and that's really all that matters to me.

Speaker 3 29:39

Nice, well said, just because you said it. How odd it, how ironic is it that ptsd has pts in it I know that's.

Speaker 2 29:50

That's very true. Actually didn't think of that before uh, some.

Speaker 1 29:54

Someone who's more expert in this subject than me will have to check what is pts type d, because scientology has a ptsd oh, I'll look it up because I have.

Speaker 2 30:02

I have the here. I'm going to look it up.

Speaker 1 30:05

While I'm distracted by shiny objects. Mike, do you have four lights, or is it one giant light?

Speaker 4 30:10

Okay, it comes in these strips and there is four strips. Well, there's actually three in a pack and Maria actually sent an extra one, so there is four light strips. Only three of them are attached, are in play right now. I'll show you. Here is one this is another one.

Speaker 3 30:33

Oh, so it's literally just an LED.

Speaker 4 30:36

They have little connectors so you can just connect them. They got sticky on the back.

Speaker 2 30:41

I want that, I should have known.

Speaker 1 30:43

My kids have those up in their rooms and stuff.

Speaker 3 30:45

I was going to say Caden, kale and Grayson all have those around their rooms. So do Jack and Shane.

Speaker 4 30:51

But they're not this cool. They have the cheaper ones from you know, Five Below. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 31:01

The ski shop. Okay, this is. I like this next one. Let's check it out, mike aaron. Any theory on why l ron hubbard preferred a camper in his late years instead of the open sea or south america? With the latter he could have ruled over more disciples directly, face to face, from fabian and deal. What's your? What's your thoughts on this, mike um?

Speaker 4 31:25

I think he was hoping that he, that Miscavige, would pull off the all clear and he would be able to magically reappear. I think also, another big factor was his physical condition. He wanted to have Gene Denk on hand and available to him at all times. That was the only doctor that he trusted to deal with him in any way, shape or form. I think that he was worried that if he left the U? S he may never get back or would get caught on the way out.

Speaker 4 32:05

I think there was a lot of factors, but also I think that he, you know, despite his claims to all-knowing, all-seeing omnipotence, he didn't think things through very well, like he did things that were not that smart in some cases. And you know, I I think he just kind of went with the flow. He is okay. We, you know, we're rushing out of here in the middle of the night because I heard that Mike and Kimber Douglas blew from the X apartment so we got to get away because they might've gone straight to the FBI. And he just jumps in a car and the getaway car waiting and drives to Newport beach and then goes now what? Oh, pat, we need to buy a mobile home so we can go, we need to go, we need to be on the road. So, you know, a suitcase full of cash shows up. They go, buy a suitcase full of cash worth of mobile bus, jumps in the bus and they start driving. I mean, I think that that probably is about the level of planning that was involved in that.

Speaker 1 33:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you talk about him not thinking things through, it has always occurred to me how silly it was that L Ron Hubbard, essentially during those exile years, put himself in a situation where he could be so manipulated through information control and I was like that seems common sense to me. This guy's supposed to be brilliant. He's letting himself be poisoned with false reports about people who are really loyal to him. I'm like that sounds stupid.

Speaker 4 33:55

Yeah, and he's the guy that invented the data series.

Speaker 3 33:58

Right. You know, I don't know if this is broad public information, but when we were at the base and they were doing these seances and the whole where all the executives were confessing to their crimes on a regular basis, one of the times that I was in one of these meetings a bunch of people said they started saying how the stats that L Ron Hubbard based the birthday game issue on were false, reported to him. Those stats never actually took place and people started saying that Mark Yeager and Guillaume were confessing that these statistics that they reported up to L Ron Hubbard were fake stats and they never actually occurred. And then L Ron Hubbard then wrote the birthday game issue based on those false stats.

Speaker 1 34:47

Wait were Mark and Guillaume at Old St Hill.

Speaker 4 34:50

No but in order for that issue to be written, someone had to go back and find out what the stats were at Old St Hill in order for the new game for Hubbard to be able to lay out this game.

Speaker 2 35:05

They couldn't say zero.

Speaker 4 35:07

They couldn't say that there were only 15 students on the briefing course, or that the GI was just $20,000 a week, or that there were 17 new starts in a month. They had to come up with numbers that sounded impressive, because ron ran old saint hill and claimed that it was the largest, biggest, most kick-ass, etc. Etc. Blah, blah, blah. And so they had to come up with numbers that would satisfy that, and that's what they did so.

Speaker 3 35:40

So that's the callback to this fake make-believe, everything's make-believe, everyone's lying to each other, but the that's not the punch line. The punch line was that when everybody was confessing these things to david miscavige, like, oh, this is the big crime that everyone's confessing, he was like ho hum, he's like, yeah, I already knew that, I've known that for years. Like tell me something I don't know. And I was in the meeting. I was like like I was, I was from gold, so I didn't know any of this stuff. But I'm sitting there in the meeting going wait a minute. Not only bullshit, but ella rach was basically believing that these things happened, even though he was there and he know that he knew they didn't happen.

Speaker 1 36:31

Well, that's where I was gonna go with. This is I go. We can say mark and guillaume lied to ella rach, but I go. Ella rach was there at the time exactly.

Speaker 3 36:39

How could?

Speaker 4 36:39

he not either. Not't supposed to keep track of that sort of minutiae.

Speaker 2 36:44

You are so amazing sir.

Speaker 3 36:47

Anyway, it literally it was like the Matrix. It was like what?

Speaker 4 36:52

Oh my God, and in that issue, or 3399-1, whichever one it is he talks about. Well, it wasn't just me that did it, it was also Boston, if you knew, do you know what Boston, aaron? You've read that issue. Boston is like yeah, this is the cool thing. Do you know who the people were that were sent to Boston?

Speaker 1 37:18

You told me this story.

Speaker 4 37:19

They were the Crimms from the postulate check era Alex Suberski, kerry Gleason, bill Franks. I mean these guys that had been brought to the Apollo because they had been false reporting the GI in LA $200,000 a week by getting people to write postulate checks.

Speaker 3 37:41

You got to say what that is.

Speaker 4 37:43

Checks that they wrote saying I will have the money in my account at some time in the future and then you can cash it. And they were taking those checks and counting them as the gross income. When this all happened they were all brought to the Apollo and Hubbard convened a committee of evidence on them with the recommendations to be whether they should all be declared or not. As I recall the Karmhev said they should all be declared and Hubbard mitigated it and said if you go to, I'm going to send you guys to Boston and if you get 2% of the population of Boston into the central files, you will not be declared. And they went and stat pushed the living hell out of Boston. They got a bunch and they made a bunch of money. They sent it to flag. They were sending like $20,000 a week to flag. They became the big heroes. They were all brought back to flag and Boston collapsed again, back to how it was before. They got there Right and that was the great success story.

Speaker 1 39:06

And St Hill collapsed. Yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 39:11

That's why all of this stuff about Scientology, that they actually believe that they're expanding, and 5.4x and all these things, it's all made up.

Speaker 1 39:23

Even the success stories are all based on lies. It's just literally, it's all made up. Even the success stories are all based on lies.

Speaker 3 39:26

It's just literally, it's all made up, it's all reports, false reports.

Speaker 4 39:32

I mean there's all this massive lie that I'm going to probably do on YouTube about tomorrow or the day after, about Miscavige, like this thing came up, came up, it was his birthday Mike.

Speaker 1 39:46

real quick, when you start talking. I'm hearing audio problems. Who's not wearing earphones?

Speaker 4 39:53

Not me. I'm wearing earphones.

Speaker 2 39:55

I'm wearing them.

Speaker 1 39:56

I'm wearing them. Do you guys hear the echo?

Speaker 3 39:59

It's like a buzz.

Speaker 1 40:01

And an echo.

Speaker 3 40:02

I don't hear the echo, but I hear the buzz.

Speaker 1 40:04

Okay, I guess we can't. We'll worry about it. Keep telling your story, mike. I was just gonna say um the.

Speaker 4 40:10

the big lie in scientology that is being perpetrated and I was reminded of this reading the the david muscovich website in celebration of his birthday is that he was anointed by L Ron Hubbard, and the real story of what happened and how that came about I cover in my book. But then I pulled out Marty Rathbun's book and it's really interesting. I'm going to do a whole discussion about that subject, about how David Miscavige was not only not anointed by L Ron Hubbard. Hubbard was pissed at him. He did not get the all clear that he was supposed to get that would allow Hubbard to come out of hiding. He was in no way ever going to be the guy that Hubbard turned over to ever. Wow, I can't believe to this to today that, oh, he was absolutely Hubbard's best friend, appointed by him, etc. Etc.

Speaker 2 41:20

I wanted to say one thing about the stats, the 5.4x stats, which was Hamburg, and because Hamburg was always the biggest, most expanding organization on the planet, they won all kinds of awards. Their executive director, which was Vibka Hansen, kept coming to Flag to get the birthday game awards and everything, and she was just celebrated as the biggest expansion queen of the universe. It turned out that all her stats were completely false, totally made up, and she was sent to the rehabilitation project for us at happy Valley. She was made to join the Sea Org, to go on to the RPF because of her false stats. And then a command team was sent, which was Mark Jaeger he was COC Moint at the time or the commanding officer. So he was sent. Miscavige said you're going to go make those stats real. So he sent I think it was Kurt Whelan went with him and Fred.

Speaker 4 42:21

Harris is the PR person. Wasn't Mark Jaeger there as well?

Speaker 2 42:23

No, whelan went with him and Fred Harris and the PR person.

Speaker 3 42:26

And was it Mark Amber there as well?

Speaker 2 42:27

No, but I think he took over for Mark Yeager.

Speaker 3 42:30

Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 42:32

And some finance person I don't remember who Tom.

Speaker 3 42:35

Woodruff Tom.

Unexpected Humor in Scientology Leadership

Speaker 2 42:36

Woodruff, that's right, tom Woodruff. And so that team went all from it to go and make those stats real. All into Germany, anyway. And David Miscavige laughed because Mark Yeager is Jewish and he's sending him into Germany. That was like his big ha ha ha. This is going to be so funny.

Speaker 4 42:56

Oh my.

Speaker 1 42:57

God.

Speaker 2 42:58

Anyway, yeah, there you go for the false statistics.

Speaker 3 43:03

As long as we're going to go down that path. We were having financial planning at the base.

Speaker 1 43:09

Don't get us demonetized I won't get you demonetized.

Speaker 3 43:12

Just listen, david Miscavige was trying to get somebody to come up to Int and so she would get some money from the int fb. And he told this gal. He said, um, if you want to get her up here, um, just make some marmalade toast and she'll come up anybody who's been from anybody.

Speaker 1 43:36

That was the freaking joke.

Speaker 3 43:37

No, it's not a joke, it's a very, very. Anybody who's jewish will get that. And I.

Speaker 1 43:43

I thought that was an Australian joke or something. I thought it was Australian too.

Speaker 3 43:47

No, not marmalade, Not a Vegemite.

Speaker 1 43:52

Oh, what's marmalade? Is that a Paddington Bear thing?

Speaker 3 43:55

No, it's like a jam that you put on toast and it's made out of orange peel.

Speaker 2 44:00

It went over our heads.

Speaker 1 44:01

Mark, Is that a Jewish thing? Aaron, I thought that was a British Paddington bear thing. He loved his marmalade.

Speaker 3 44:08

No, aaron, that's what they gave them before they brought them in. Oh oh, no, yes, no, yes, oh my God.

Speaker 2 44:24

That's David Miscavige on a Tuesday, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 44:24

Oh my God, oh yeah, it had to be something that throws.

Speaker 2 44:26

That's David Miscavige on a Tuesday. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 44:27

Oh, my God, yeah Wow.

Speaker 2 44:30

Wow, I didn't know that either.

Speaker 3 44:31

Yeah, oh, he's got the dark arts going over there.

Speaker 1 44:36

David Miscavige, yep All right, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 44:46

Please tell me Paddington Bear did not love Marmalade. Okay, I think Paddington Bear liked honey. You maniac. No, that's Winnie the.

Speaker 1 44:50

Pooh.

Speaker 3 44:52

Oh, I don't even know.

Speaker 2 44:53

I don't know who this Paddington character is. Yeah, you were in the CR when you should have been watching Winnie the Pooh.

Speaker 3 45:00

I don't know what's going on. Anyway, yeah, he's cold hearted, this guy.

Speaker 2 45:06

Yeah, that's serious.

Speaker 1 45:08

That was probably the longest answer to I don't remember what the question was.

Speaker 2 45:12

There was no question pending. Did you still want to know what PTS type D is.

Speaker 3 45:16

No, let's go on to the next question. We have 77 questions. You got somewhere to be. Okay.

Speaker 2 45:23

What's PTS type D? I want to know. Okay, I'm going to read it. I'm going to read it here. So it says responsible for condition cases. Okay, so it says they've been traced back to other causes for their condition too often to be acceptable. And then it goes on and on about somebody else being responsible for their condition.

Speaker 1 45:44

That's what. That's what apostate Alex was kicked out for being PTSD, PTSD. No, seriously, no, that's crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, cool. So let's see, we got some. Let's just go through this stuff here, guys. Kat and Maggie says just some money for your trip to Kohl's, the other French dip place. I had no idea it would become such a thing. Mark, you have your crackers, I have my French dip sandwiches.

Speaker 3 46:08

Yeah, so what are your people now? French dippers? Yeah, I guess you know I have to tell you this. Somebody sent me a box, a giant box of like a variety pack of crackers. It just showed up in the mail.

Speaker 4 46:27

What's also deal with the French dip, Aaron.

Speaker 1 46:30

Well, everyone was asking me hey, you got to go to Felipe's and get a French dip sandwich. And I said I don't know. I said I got no, it's Felipe's. I said I got no idea what a French dip sandwich is. And everyone's been sending me super chats to go get a French dip sandwich.

Speaker 3 46:46

Did you ask him at Philips how to pronounce it?

Speaker 1 46:50

I know someone who knows one of the owners and they say look, look, look look. The owners don't say Philips, even though that's the correct pronunciation. Philips is the correct pronunciation, but it's not how they say it.

Speaker 3 47:01

They say Aaron did go. I have photo evidence.

Speaker 1 47:04

Oh, you did.

Speaker 4 47:06

I went last night it was delicious, yeah, so I mean, it's a bit of a weird place, it's not like?

Speaker 1 47:10

yeah, it is. It is a bit of a weird place. I I didn't know what was going on. I was like is there a line? Yeah, I don't, I don't. Oh.

Speaker 4 47:19

So you've been there, mike, oh yeah yeah, yeah I mean anybody that's ever spent time in la has been there you gotta go, it's like going there and cantas and there's a few places you gotta go in la coles we shot the film tr1.

Speaker 3 47:34

We shot that at coles, oh really, yeah, so coles is the other one I told you about aaron and that's only like three blocks away, so I'll go go there tomorrow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 47:43

We shot a Scientology film there. Yeah, the pantry All right. Rachel Harmon says Mike, t-shirts front blah, blah, blah back, et cetera, et cetera. Okay, rr Smith says if Skippy is Methodist, then his congregation will be asking why he would wear a priest habit, really. So it's all a show. The guy's just putting on a show.

Speaker 2 48:05

The guy's a complete fraud.

Speaker 3 48:09

Also, there's a bunch of other comments about exactly which group he's part of and who to talk to. There's a lot of people in here who are lighting him up in here.

Speaker 4 48:16

He has been around for 25 years, like he was around. He was one of those names that came up back when I was in OSA he was one of Heber's buddies that oh, skip LaRoe, we'll get him to go to the United Nations. Oh, skip LaRoe, we'll get him to do blah, skip LaRoe, we're going to write a letter. I mean, he was like always on.

Speaker 1 48:39

So when Skip says to the judge, I've got no affiliation with Scientology, it's just a blatant lie.

Speaker 2 48:44

Oh my gosh. I hope the judge finds out that he's a liar At this point.

Speaker 1 48:52

I don't know that she would care, because he's just there watching. He's not there to do anything.

Speaker 2 48:56

You know what I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 48:57

Amy, your volume got like 10 times louder. Did anyone else notice that?

Speaker 3 49:00

Yeah, you have that little thing thing, the little touch pad. There you go, just keep talking all right, we got another funny one here.

Speaker 1 49:09

Kaka, oh wait, kaka, kaka toki road mike and amy. I have a fever and the only cure is more crazy bill robertson stories.

Speaker 4 49:18

Don't leave me hanging in a bad way oh my goodness oh, I'm not sure if I I can think of one off the top of my head.

Speaker 1 49:25

Oh, I think they're saying in your live streams what do you have Thursdays with Amy?

Speaker 4 49:30

When do you do your Amy videos. Yeah, that's Thursdays with Amy, amy and Mike on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 49:35

Yes, 7 pm Eastern.

Speaker 1 49:39

That's so cool, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 49:41

We're filling up the SPTV programming, by the way have you guys seen Nora?

Speaker 1 49:45

Nora Ames has been rocking and rolling. She's been putting up content every day. Have you guys noticed?

Speaker 3 49:49

Yeah, and so is Kelly copter Kelly. Yeah, there is really fantastic man.

Speaker 1 49:54

Yeah, cool stuff. Oh, you know what? There's two other um, and oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. They started a channel too. I think it's called Degraded Daughters. That is not an adult themed channel.

Speaker 3 50:14

Okay, they got to work on that name though.

Speaker 1 50:21

I swear to God, I got it right.

Speaker 3 50:22

Hold on oh my goodness, yeah, yeah, there we go, I got it right.

Speaker 1 50:24

Hold on, I'm looking it up right now. Yeah, yeah, there we go. Oh, alyssa Hoy is the other me Alyssa of Degraded Daughters yeah, degraded Daughters, yikes. And I think Vanessa lives out here in LA. Anyhow, I'm just mentioning it because they've been putting up stuff, but I haven't seen it promoted anywhere. All right, let's see. Joe, johanna, johanna, not, it's not Joanna, it's Johanna. Right, johanna, johanna, not Mark. The blue in the background is music for the masses. Sky blue Love it. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 51:01

It's a Depeche Mode album, and it sure is. Thank you, johanna. I knew that when I did it. Thank you.

Speaker 1 51:12

Nice. Jacob Harkey, where were each of you on the bridge at the time that you joined the Sea Org? Nowhere, nowhere. I just done the PRF, mike.

Speaker 4 51:21

Michael, I'd had some quickie grades.

Speaker 2 51:25

I had attested to natural clear as a 15-year-old.

Speaker 1 51:30

Not even last life clear, but natural clear.

Speaker 2 51:32

Natural clear.

Speaker 1 51:33

That's all time, all life.

Speaker 4 51:36

All life clear.

Speaker 2 51:37

Because they told me that my tone arm was always floating. Oh, my.

Speaker 3 51:41

God, you know, the more important question is where was I on the bridge when I left? Also, nowhere 15 years and I got nowhere. Totally Good job, mark, yeah.

Speaker 2 51:57

The only way I did up to OT7 is because I went to the Rehabilitation Project Force and had to do my OT levels on it.

Speaker 1 52:04

Oh my goodness. Who's going to write the ultimate SP Scientology to English language dictionary for the merch shop? I'd buy it. Oh yikes, Not me Not me Not, it Not it. Do you know who's been doing something like that? I do, but you tell me Leah herself.

Speaker 3 52:22

Oh, you know's been doing something like that I do, but you tell me Leah herself. Oh, you know, I was going to say Claire's been doing the same thing.

Speaker 1 52:28

Hundreds of. She showed me what she's got. I don't know. I'm like I don't know how you're ever going to complete this, but she's been putting in a lot of time on it.

Speaker 3 52:36

Her and Claire should make that a project. There you go.

Speaker 1 52:41

Okay. So Brian Will, there you go. Uh okay, so brian willett says has to be something scientology does for good ideas not burning down or not chopping down forests?

Speaker 3 52:53

uh, to make the promo that they send out, that people just throw away, I mean the only.

Speaker 1 52:59

The only good thing that comes to mind is they're like drugs are bad.

Speaker 3 53:05

They do rehab a lot of old properties, like maybe properties that are old, they kind of fix them up and renovate them, or they just leave them empty, so they don't get torn down.

Speaker 1 53:18

The problem is that all the good stuff they do it comes with is being done for self-serving reasons, so you have to really focus in on you know, just the thing, and not the reason for the thing in order to call it something good you know. So, all right, this one's clearly on Amy's channel, super chat, because Amy has a super name. Oh hi Amy.

Speaker 1 53:45

Okay, let's see what is this, huh? Jerry Hack, hello, all Starting a podcast in September. Chris Shelton has agreed to appear to talk about his book Scientology A to Z-New Will Scientology attack me? Open invitation to Mike, mark and Amy to talk about your books too. What do you think about Scientology attacking non-Scientologists that start doing Scientology content?

Speaker 4 54:09

I don't think they have the bandwidth to pull that off these days.

Speaker 3 54:13

They don't, I mean, they can't even watch all our videos, literally.

Speaker 4 54:19

I mean, we've sort of drawn all fire and all resources and I think everybody else has got a pretty much a free, a free pass.

Speaker 3 54:32

Honestly, I just don't think that they have the ability to be able to track and deal with all of these other people that are around now deal with all of these other people that are around now, yeah, and at the end of the day, they've been attacking us for for I mean going on over a decade, for almost 17 years now for me, and, um, it's resulted in a whole lot of nothing. Guys, I hate to break it to you, so, uh, I'm not even sure I, I don't uh, even if they would attack you, it just makes for more content. So it's kind of like if they do great, if they don't great, who cares? It's? They're so insignificant in terms of what they're doing, like to just to get us to stop. Obviously it hasn't worked.

Speaker 2 55:17

I'm still doing it 17 years later, so I wonder how much tax exempt money they've used in order to attack us, just the four people in this little chat here.

Speaker 3 55:29

It's in the millions.

Speaker 1 55:31

I'm dying to know how Amy's volume keeps jumping up like that.

Speaker 3 55:35

Let's see Talk Amy.

Speaker 2 55:37

Okay, I'm talking right now, except for my dog is chewing in the background. No, you're fine. No, it sounds fine right now, yeah, scientology has created the first perpetual, true, honest to God, perpetual emotion machine.

Speaker 1 55:42

My dog is chewing in the background. No, you're fine. No, it sounds fine right now. Yeah, scientology has created the first perpetual, true, honest to god, perpetual emotion machine, where they cannot help but still do stupid things to us. And then I'm just going to keep doing videos about it, which is just going to piss them off more, and then they're going to keep doing stupid things. I'm going to keep doing videos about it, and the world finds it endlessly entertaining. So you know it. It's the one rule of physics you can't have perpetual emotion, except for Scientology.

Speaker 3 56:04

Well, I was going to. I thought of this the other day, aaron, and I was going to say it or I wasn't. I couldn't decide. But Scientology spends so much money advertising on the internet that they are creating a vacuum for our videos, because they're asking people if they're curious, but they're not giving them any information, and so they're coming here and they're getting all their information, and Scientology is even funding these videos, so they're really to blame at the end of the day for all this nonsense.

Speaker 1 56:34

Well, I don't know what that someone's head is exploding that Amy has called her channel. Who is Amy Scobie? Because Scientology spends a lot of money promoting their hate site called. Who is Amy Scobie? Because Scientology spends a lot of money promoting their their hate site called. Who is Amy Scobie? Yeah, and now Amy Scobie's channel is probably competing with the top search results. For that, I'm guessing yes.

Speaker 2 56:55

And and I really don't care. You know they don't own my name and it really pisses me off. They've got 12 stupid websites that all direct to who is Amy Scobie, and you know it's just, they've had them for 15 years or something stupid like that, and um, so I just decided you know they don't own my name and I can have something in who is Amy Scobie and and if it sends it to their website, people will see how stupid Scientology is.

Speaker 3 57:21

There you go.

Speaker 1 57:23

Yeah, awesome, lathanda Grauklinger. Thanks to Amy for giving us our Monday night SPTV fix yesterday. Great to see you all today. I see that Mike's Xenu shelf is getting more and more populated. I've never noticed your green stuffed Xenu. Where did that come from?

Speaker 4 57:37

Oh, Jack won that at the Palm Harbor Fair the other night. I said, oh, I need that. He's taking his kids' toys. Now I did. I told him to get the green one. They had purple and blue. I like the green. I think green is a good color for the Xenu doll. So, I got it and he gladly donated it to the cause.

Speaker 1 58:02

So it's a garden variety alien. I love it.

Speaker 4 58:04

Yeah, it's just a little stuffy puffy toy that costs like $7 for the game. That's worth like 50 cents yeah.

Speaker 2 58:13

So yeah, I did my first live, you guys, last night.

Speaker 3 58:15

I saw that your solo.

Speaker 2 58:17

Yeah, my solo figuring it out, because it was the first time I ever did it, so anyway. So now I'm with the big guys.

Speaker 4 58:25

Nice, as Dan Sherman would have said, you're now running with the big dogs in the tall grass.

Speaker 3 58:34

A veritable here to server for standing.

Speaker 1 58:40

Moreover so Tommy Davis must have stole that from dan sherman, because I could have sworn. I heard tommy davis say something similar yeah he did. He couldn't run with the big dogs, so he had to leave the seahawk.

Speaker 3 58:53

That's why rinder left yeah, that's the best thing about his little rant. He's like seahawk members are harder, faster, faster, stronger, da-da-da-da-da-da, and they couldn't cut it. And then he like fast forward. Hey, Tommy, where you at?

Speaker 1 59:12

Wait, then where are?

Speaker 3 59:12

you.

Speaker 1 59:13

Tommy left the Sea Org, and then he left his wife and kids.

Speaker 3 59:16

Oh yeah, no, he got up and GTFO'd the whole scene.

Speaker 1 59:21

Yeah, and I don't mean left his wife because the wife was in the Sea Org. He left the Sea Org, he created a life with his wife, had kids and then he left all of them.

Speaker 3 59:29

Yeah, and they found he traded it up for a younger, newer model.

Speaker 1 59:33

Oh boy, oh boy. All right, moving on, percy Kersey, one of my favorite names. By the way, four of the bravest, most valuable people I've ever known of you all have been a hand holding the door to my healing. Oh, I see. Thank you all. Also, aussie, aussie, aussie, oi, oi, oi. There you go. I think this guy's from Australia, yes definitely.

Speaker 4 59:56

I would guess that, and I think it's a girl, based on the picture.

Speaker 1 1:00:08

How do you?

Speaker 3 1:00:08

see her. Oh, it is a picture, it's a tracing of a girl I see um, all right, smoking a cigarette, very nice.

Speaker 1 1:00:11

Uh, amber glass is wondering, what color is tone 40, this color?

Speaker 3 1:00:16

oh boy, look at mike, he was quick. I was gonna do it, but I he was too quick on the draw, baby.

Speaker 4 1:00:23

I've got tone 40 blue.

Speaker 1 1:00:27

Nice. Marilyn says the Sea Org experience seems to have sucked. But did you at least get to learn some real stuff like how to do cool nautical?

Speaker 3 1:00:36

knots or something.

Speaker 1 1:00:36

It's not that kind of Sea Org anymore.

Speaker 3 1:00:38

No, although we did I did do some nautical knots. Yeah, on the EPF you're supposed to do some of that stuff, but they don't they don't put a lot of attention on it.

Speaker 4 1:00:50

Oh, you know what? The best thing that I learned from the Sea Org everything outside the Sea Org is so much better than anything that happens inside the Sea Org. That's true, you can survive anything in the outside world. Because, no, I mean, I remember the first time someone when I was working outside of the Sea Org and someone said oh my God, can you believe what the manager just said? Oh my God, and I'm like, uh, he said the word shit, like that, that's like a big deal. Oh, he cussed that guy out. I'm like, really Nothing, you, you are prepared for everything when you leave the Sea Org. That's one, that is one thing, and you have a persistence and and toughness that it just doesn't come from anywhere else. I don't think.

Speaker 2 1:01:48

Yeah, I'm still like that's so funny, you know, because you're not required to Is it just me, guys. No, she's blowing it out, what happened.

Speaker 3 1:01:57

You, you, when you talk louder, it's really loud. Yeah, here just push. Oh, oh, you can't push yours away, it's okay, it's really loud. Here just push. Oh, you can't push yours away, it's okay.

Speaker 2 1:02:05

I can step away from it Go into the other room, Amy. Maybe it was because I went from mute to on.

Speaker 1 1:02:16

The chat agrees that you're very loud. Maybe just push the mic away a little bit.

Speaker 2 1:02:21

It's all good.

Speaker 1 1:02:25

There you go, there you go, there you go.

Speaker 2 1:02:29

Never mind, no, I wouldn't go.

Speaker 1 1:02:31

No, no, no, it sounded great.

Speaker 2 1:02:36

Well, I was going to say I still have a tendency to if I get a service that I have to write or something, I stay up until I finish.

Speaker 3 1:02:44

Are you pulling all-night?

Speaker 2 1:02:45

Oh yeah, like well, not all nighter, but you know, it's like like I still have that tendency and it's funny how the expectancy of companies or people or whatever is just get to it whenever you get to it.

Speaker 3 1:02:56

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:02:57

And I'm not used to that.

Speaker 3 1:02:58

When I had my first job um at a company and the guy said guy said really hate to have to ask you this, but we got a deadline, we got to get it done. It's got to get turned over to get the mix done so it can air. Could you stay till eight o'clock tonight to get this done? It's like it was the buildup was so much and I was like, yeah, I could stay till eight. It's like, really, you sure I'm like I could stay three hours late no problem.

Speaker 1 1:03:29

Um, guys, we forgot to give something away. We didn't forget, we just delayed it. Were we gonna? We weren't gonna do everything at the end, right?

Speaker 4 1:03:36

we were gonna do a little, let's do amy's book now.

Speaker 2 1:03:39

Yeah, you ready, amy let's give them the instruction and everything okay, so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna count down from five, so everyone needs to be jumping on that yeah, you got to give them a chance.

Speaker 3 1:03:52

Some people are watching on tv. 27 of my viewers watch on tvs um, I don't know how many watch on your your channel, aaron but so they got to get to a place where they can get ready to type and then, once people get mobilized, so you can get into the chat. And then now, amy, they're there. You can see, the chat is just blazing up now you can do your countdown do you know I'm?

Speaker 2 1:04:17

oh yeah, it is happening here. Okay. So, mike, I'm going to count five, four, three, two, one and I'm clicking.

Speaker 4 1:04:36

AM Creek three so.

Speaker 2 1:04:39

AM Creek three. If you just go ahead and send me an email at scoby publishing at gmailcom, I will send you a book, congratulations there you go.

Speaker 1 1:04:49

Let's spell scoby for everybody.

Speaker 2 1:04:51

S-c-o-b-e-e right yes, yeah, and then publishing, scoby.

Speaker 3 1:04:54

publishing at gmailcom nice, there you go. Good job, amy, good job, very clean. I think the problem is that amy's voice is so clear and also it's a little bit more high pitch and we have all this mid-range and low end. So I think her voice just cuts through more, but jackson just bought me this.

Speaker 2 1:05:16

Uh, it's a brand new microphone. Yeah it's awesome. I'm not used to where it needs to be yet.

Speaker 3 1:05:21

Yeah, it's perfect. Wherever you had it is perfect. It's just when you go in, that's when it gets a little and you get excited.

Speaker 4 1:05:28

Yeah, and those two events happen at the same time. It's catastrophic. It's all good.

Speaker 2 1:05:34

Okay, I'm sorry for your ears, aaron. I saw you react.

Speaker 3 1:05:37

It's okay. Amy, we did a live one of the first lives that I joined in on with Mike and Aaron. I had two windows open at the same time and they were feeding back and I blew out everyone's ears, everyone that was watching. Aaron, mike, everybody got blown out.

Speaker 2 1:05:59

Oh man.

Speaker 3 1:05:59

Yeah, so being a little loud is not the biggest deal in the world.

Speaker 2 1:06:05

Okay, well, hopefully it's rectified now.

Speaker 1 1:06:07

Yes, all right, all right, moving on here. Oh wait, when are we going to do the next giveaway, guys, let's do it at the end.

Speaker 4 1:06:13

Let's do it in one. Let's end it in an hour, like at 10 o'clock. Okay, can we do?

Speaker 1 1:06:21

that In 53 minutes. Yes, yeah, and we'll do it right at the end. Awesome Sounds good. Highly agree with the idea of Claire not discussing specifics. Honestly, depending on how things go in future cases, perhaps Claire could have an opportunity to be called in other cases as an expert if she would be interested. Yes, that is true. I imagine Gary Jackson Moorhead says me thinks it's pie face until a verdict is delivered. Yes, Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:06:51

Shay.

Speaker 1 1:06:51

Anderson Amy's maiden solo voyage last night was terrific. Sptv, you're in kid.

Speaker 3 1:07:00

Yay, it wasn't ask me anything.

Speaker 2 1:07:01

It was fun questions.

Speaker 1 1:07:04

Nice, nice Helen girl says I'm coming to the trial tomorrow. Is court open all day? Yeah, so a court will start at nine, 30 lunches, from 12 to one 30. And then you only have a two and a half hour session. Court ends at 4. Pm and there's like a 20 minute break somewhere in there Whenever the judge feels is a good time. So it's really like a full day at court is a piece of cake, honestly. I mean, what is? It's like six I haven't done the math, but it's not even eight. It's not an eight hour day. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 1:07:32

it's not, but not also a piece of cake. It's like sitting in a bench hours. Yeah, it's a piece of cake. If you're sitting in a bench in the back of the courtroom, if you're one, one of the lawyers or the Jane Doe's or any of those people, it might be a little bit more exhausting.

Speaker 1 1:07:46

Yeah, I don't know. The lawyers get to stand up and walk around and do all their little. Whatever's Okay, let's see. Brandy, I'm wondering if you would consider making a more dainty, more feminine SP bracelet available for us small humans. Could you also give a shout out to my mom, holly, please? She's a big fan too. Thank you.

Speaker 3 1:08:03

Hey Holly, Hi, Holly. Okay, the answer to the bracelet there, Brandy, is that we already have a lot of different bracelets because we have to buy them and keep stocks of them in all these different sizes. And I think if we did the female, if we did the female, uh, if we did female ones, that might be, might be a lot more uh trouble and already, uh, Claire is kind of getting a little overloaded as it is, so I'm not trying to make more work for her, but, uh, we'll see, We'll look into it. I might even just get some small ones, just small female ones, but just like two or three sizes. If you've got a really tiny little wrist, then I can't imagine that you'd need a size 10. So we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 1:08:49

Nice. All right, let's see. Is this Lisa? Hey, ron Hubba Hubba, so addicted to your trial coverage, thanks to you all. Please take Claire to In-N-Out Burger on me, you won't be disappointed. I'm in for the mike rinder signed book, please. Okay, good, well, we got that giveaway coming and um, yeah, so I guess I think I'm allowed to, like, I'm allowed to hang out with claire during breaks. I think, like, if claire testifies tomorrow and there's a break time, I think I'm allowed to hang out with her. I was allowed to hang out with the jane does I'm a lot, you know what I'm saying? So, and she's not even a, you know what I'm saying. She's like anyway.

Speaker 4 1:09:25

So, anyway, uh, I guess what I'm saying is I'm pretty sure, let's say, she wraps up her testimony claire is going to know the answer to that tomorrow, because the lawyers are going or the prosecutors are going to tell her this is what here is how you need to act when you're here. This is what's appropriate, this is what's not appropriate, because they know that she hasn't been an expert witness before, and being an expert witness has certain things that go along with it, and they will explain that to her, and so she'll take the lead on that. I'm sure, aaron, if she says it's okay for you to hang out with her, I'm sure it'll be okay to hang out Totally.

Speaker 1 1:10:03

And let's say she finishes her testimony tomorrow. I guess that's where I was going with this is we'll definitely be going to hit the in and out. Just because she can't get on YouTube and talk about all this stuff doesn't mean we can't grab some food afterwards, right? Okay, john Sostowski, lets us all know. Mark, I sent you the box of assorted crackers. You can pick your favorite to lick. There's even Scooby Dooby Dog Bone Crackers. I also sent a Pokey bendable figure.

Speaker 3 1:10:28

A Pokey bendable. Figure A.

Speaker 1 1:10:29

Pokey for you, and is Pokey Gumby's horse? Yeah, pokey's Gumby's horse, right? Yeah, so a Pokey bendable figure for you and a Gumby toy for the pets. How come we haven't seen photos of this thing yet?

Speaker 3 1:10:45

Because I just saw it. I didn't need. I was trying to figure out what it was. I was like, what is this? Why is this here? And then I was like, oh, it's a package of crackers. I was like, oh, my goodness, I think somebody sent me crackers.

Speaker 1 1:11:00

That's amazing, all right. Db says Mike, that's amazing, all right db says mike, have you ever?

Speaker 4 1:11:08

played santa claus for your grandkids or other family. Grow that beard out a few more inches and you'd look just like him. Oh thanks, yeah, I didn't have any grandkids did he say grand.

Speaker 1 1:11:18

Oh, he did say grandkids, yeah, yeah, no, you don't, you don't even almost have grandkids.

Speaker 3 1:11:22

Yeah, yeah no you don't, you don't even almost have grandkids, right, if Mike had?

Speaker 1 1:11:28

grandkids. We'd be in big trouble. Chris OC, hi SPTV crew. Curious if any of you guys are following the Lori Vallow Daybell trial and all that craziness. I found a lot of parallels with Scientology as far as the cult indoctrination techniques that Chad Daybell was using. Have you guys been following any of this?

Speaker 3 1:11:44

I don't even know what this is. I've never heard of this.

Speaker 1 1:11:46

So people have been sending me some links, but I have not had the time to watch any. It's a trial that's currently going on right now, Right Cult related. All right, Denver Stevo says Aaron, you inspired me to have a French dip for dinner tonight. It's not Felipe's or Felipe's. But also do you have Leah and a Angelo doing your laundry again this weekend? No, I, Angela. That's a good one. I actually plan on going home this weekend and then I will be coming back.

Speaker 3 1:12:19

You're not going to leave your laundry with Leah. No, you guys, were you on the? Were you on their mic or was it no? So we were on the chat, erin, I was on the chat, and leah comes in while he's excuse me, while he's recording the video, and she's like smell this? And she hands him a shirt and she had just done his laundry. And then she we were everyone's like leah, leah, get on, get on, get on, come on the camera. She's like no, no, I'm not coming on. But then and then she pops in and says your breakfast is ready, aaron scrambled eggs yeah, I was like you have got to be kidding me, right okay, she, no, she.

Speaker 1 1:12:59

She said that angela was teasing her and he's like no, no, no, go in, bring him the food on camera, bringing him food items. And she's like I didn't want to interrupt this stream. He's like it would have been so funny. Speaking of Leah coming on camera, she said she would come on if we asked her, but guess what happened yesterday? Because in court she was in full makeup and everything. So I'm like this is perfect. This is perfect. Yeah, this is perfect. I said leah, let's do a stream three minutes downstairs next to the car about reverend and she goes baby, baby, baby. This is real world makeup. It's not the same as video makeup. And I was like we're never gonna get you on a stream.

Speaker 3 1:13:38

She's like baby, baby, baby is film makeup. This is not real world makeup or YouTube makeup. This is film makeup.

Speaker 4 1:13:48

But I do have to say something here, aaron, having stayed at Leah's house for many, many months on end at some time, she is the most gracious host and treats you like. Mark knows this. He's stayed there too. Yeah, it is like you're a king, like when I stayed in the guest room. I'd walk into the guest room and all the photo frames had pictures of Christy and the boys in them. Oh my gosh, she thinks of everything.

Speaker 2 1:14:19

Awesome, oh my God, she thinks of everything.

Speaker 4 1:14:21

Also the, the, the stuff that was set up in the bathroom was the things that I use, you know, like my toiletries and like it's. It's beyond the beyond. Yeah, yeah, no, it was great.

Speaker 3 1:14:38

Have you been in that pantry? Yes, is that pantry insane or what?

Speaker 1 1:14:43

Because I commented on the jars of custom stacked cookies and she goes oh, you should see the pantry. And of course, right at eye level is my favorite is the peanut M&Ms. So I had the peanut M&Ms and I brought that out to the kitchen to go with the vanilla Oreos. And then she cooked up some lasagna and so I had my peanut M&Ms and she brought me the lasagna. And then Shannon told on me halfway through and she's like Aaron is eating the peanut M&Ms with the lasagna.

Speaker 1 1:15:14

And she came over the phone and she's like show everybody what you're doing, so funny. No, it was amazing. And, um, and it was. I didn't. I didn't realize, uh, how wound up I actually was until I went over there and chilled out for 24 hours. I was, you know, it was pretty great. Um, what the hell were we talking about, guys?

Speaker 4 1:15:38

I don't know, just pull up the next question. Hey, ron, you don't have to think about anything.

Speaker 1 1:15:43

All right, Noel Goldberg. Sorry if this was already asked. I just got here. Do you think Cohen and Hawley are frustrated with Scientology and all the problems they've caused with this case? Vicky Podbareski, skip altered email. What are your thoughts on this, Mike?

Speaker 4 1:15:59

Yeah, probably. I mean, they probably would prefer to be able to completely distance themselves from anything to do with Scientology, and they can't, and I imagine that that's pretty frustrating to them.

Speaker 1 1:16:18

Yeah, it's true, and they succeeded in the first trial of pretty much keeping it out, and now they can't get rid of it gone, okay we'll ask her not to be here.

Speaker 4 1:16:27

It would have been over and done with. But instead it turns into the next big discussion about. Is Scientology intimidating witnesses on the stand?

Speaker 1 1:16:54

I mean right, because Mike, is it a true statement? Is it fair to say Vicky Podbareski would not be showing up if she, if she, wasn't being ordered to absolutely?

Speaker 4 1:17:07

she's not there. She's not wasting her lawyer billable hours sitting in someone else's case that she's not representing. She's getting paid to be there. I guarantee it that's a story.

Speaker 3 1:17:21

Well, the other thing is aaron, this is all being ordered by dave miscavige directly. None of these people can do any of these things without him saying do these things. And he is he's. He knows that he is the smartest person in the world and that he this is all going to end up the way he wants. And he is telling him this is what you have to do, period. There's no. Nobody can say no to him.

Speaker 4 1:17:47

Yeah, and you know, skip LaRue is like the guys in the dog collars that were persuaded to go to Portland and sit in the Julie Christopherson trial. Julie Christopherson trial, it's like this is all you know we've seen these silly stories many times before.

Speaker 1 1:18:11

Yeah, crazy. Check this out the Procco Group. I'm obsessed with all your stories and love you all. Mike, I had the pleasure of meeting you and Leah in the winner's media room at the Emmys. Keep up the good work. Loving the trial coverage. How about that? Oh, that's pretty cool. I saw a comment I don't think I read it at the time, but it said it was a comment to Leah, so it's when I was streaming from her house that said I was the nurse in the room at the hospital when J-Lo was giving birth. Did J-Lo have twins? Did J-Lo have twins? Yes, she said. Does J-Lo have twins? Yes, she said. I was the nurse in the hospital, met you when J-Lo was having twins. I was like damn, don't give away your identity, right, but pretty cool, pretty cool. So, like the Procco group this could be, does this mean this person could have been working at the what's what? The venue? Or could have been working for the academy?

Speaker 4 1:19:01

We don't know right. Or they could have been working for the Academy we don't know right. Or they could have been. That could just be a pseudonym.

Speaker 1 1:19:06

They could have been one of the winners.

Speaker 4 1:19:08

That could have been Kenan.

Speaker 3 1:19:10

Thompson, kenan. And what was the other gal, the Kristen Schaub? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was the funniest conversation ever. Kenan says oh, says oh, hey, mike, good to see you. And then he goes to kristin this is my scientology friends. And then she goes, like what? And he goes x scientology friends interesting.

Speaker 1 1:19:38

Um, okay, not just a row, not what do you guys think? Not just a row. First ever super chat Nice, the Reverend Skip LaRue Now, now, reverend is the wrong word, right, you can't right Like this is a Christian thing.

Speaker 3 1:19:57

We'll just read the whole thing.

Speaker 1 1:19:59

Reverend Skip LaRue is under the jurisdiction of UMC. That's the United Methodist Church Not supposed to do that. Umc records online under NJ LaRue shows lies. Complaints can be sent to UMC. Bishop of LI. Yeah, I don't care about getting Skip in trouble. I mean, he's been working for Scientology for 20 years. It's a good gig, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:20:25

You know, those guys don't get paid much.

Speaker 1 1:20:29

Yeah, okay, this question comes up every now and then, rebecca Dunbar has David Miscavige created personal wealth from Scientology? If the Scientology capitulated tomorrow, would David Miscavige have millions in the bank or would it be flipping burgers at Macca's? Much love from Australia. Is Macca's an Australia thing? It's McDonald's. Mcdonald's, oh Macca's.

Speaker 3 1:20:51

Macca's an.

Speaker 1 1:20:51

Australian way of saying it right.

Speaker 4 1:20:53

It is. That is, a very journos. You know everything ends with an S Doggo. Yeah, anyway, he has more money personally than most Sea Org members, but he doesn't need any money. He has billions of dollars at the snap of his fingers and he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't accumulate a bunch of personal money, because that's what the IRS would love to go after. So, you know, I don't think like he was getting paid $100,000 a year or so when most Sea Org members were getting what $2,500 a year, if they got that. Yeah, so he's accumulated money, but it's not like tens of millions of dollars.

Speaker 1 1:21:46

So I have to ask Mike I cannot wrap my head around what any Searig member on the Int base could have thought about him paying himself a salary like that, when the whole idea of being in the Searig is you don't need the money. What was the deal?

Speaker 2 1:22:00

We didn't know. We actually didn't know.

Speaker 4 1:22:02

And most people didn't even know that. No, I had. No, didn't even know that no.

Speaker 3 1:22:04

I had no idea.

Speaker 2 1:22:07

I figured it.

Speaker 3 1:22:08

The only reason I know any of that is because Claire was an RTC and she was over treasury and so she would say he even would. When he would get bonuses he would make sure that other people in his group would get bonuses. They wouldn't be as big as his, but just so it wasn't, the optics of it weren't so bad. People would also get bonuses in RTC, but just not as much as he was getting.

Speaker 4 1:22:32

And at the time when this that figure came out, it had to be reported to the IRS as part of the negotiations. So the amounts that were being paid to each person the senior executives in Scientology were provided to the IRS. So suddenly the executives in CMO International and the watchdog committee and stuff got paid a shitload of bonuses.

Speaker 1 1:23:01

Interesting. Okay, so here's one. Has there ever been a mission or an org in north or south dakota? Well, nope, no, yeah, I mean it's hard it's hard to say with missions, because anybody could open up a stupid mission and call it. Just say it exists, but it doesn't really. The answer is still no, though. Yeah, yeah, um, okay. Maybe instead of old, dilapidated buildings and spending millions slapping lipstick on a pig, they should buy all the raised season tickets in third level of the chop. That's wonderful. What would they do with them?

Speaker 3 1:23:41

Give them away, give them to people.

Speaker 1 1:23:43

Yeah, okay. Jacqueline R17. I was hoping to get a happy birthday. Yesterday I turned 30. I've been thinking of volunteering with the aftermath. Has Scientology given any of the volunteers any problems? Well, happy birthday, jacqueline.

Speaker 3 1:23:57

Happy birthday.

Speaker 4 1:23:58

Happy belated birthday.

Speaker 1 1:24:02

Yes and no. I don't think we've ever heard of scientology giving any of our volunteers problems. I mean, scientology doesn't know who our volunteers are. Right, right, you know? Um, okay, mike, what do you think about this brett grace? Do we think david miscavige watches sp tv himself, or is it? Does he just count on getting highlights from Osa? The level of narcissism makes me think he hate watches.

Speaker 2 1:24:24

I'm sure he's watching.

Speaker 4 1:24:26

That's my opinion I really wouldn't guess.

Speaker 2 1:24:30

Look who's sitting in this group.

Speaker 4 1:24:33

I think that if he watches, he does it very in private, meaning maybe only Lou knows that he catches a glimpse, that's a lawyer. Otherwise, he's expected to get reports from Osa. Who, hi, whoever it is, Gavino or Ray or KO or whoever you are that is watching this and having to write up a report about what is contained in this? It's really cool out there, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:25:11

Let me see there was one, rose K. Mark licks crackers because he is so salty.

Speaker 3 1:25:20

Somebody also asked if the crackers that were sent to me were they pre-licked or did they have salt on them?

Speaker 1 1:25:28

Okay, Lathanda Grauklinga. I'm from Hamburg. The org always was shitty, never booming. Census from 2019 counts 300 Scientologists in Hamburg. That's a dying organization there.

Speaker 2 1:25:41

Yes, wow, If there's 300 Scientologists, I mean that's kind of a lot.

Speaker 1 1:25:43

That's more dying organization there. Yes, If there's 300 Scientology, I mean that's kind of a lot. That's more than I would have guessed. I'm amazed 300 shows up on a survey. Unless they extrapolate out the numbers, you know what I mean. They must do that right. I have no idea. There's some science to census numbers, right.

Speaker 3 1:25:57

Yeah, yeah, but it's 300 people said I identify as a.

Speaker 1 1:26:01

Scientologist. No there's a percentage of people that said I identify and they extrapolated out to the whole population.

Speaker 4 1:26:08

It depends, Like in some places. Since this is mandatory, everybody has to fill it out. Yeah, so I don't know if that's what that is or whether it's one that's done by.

Speaker 2 1:26:20

They take samplings and then extrapolate but yeah, 300, yeah, after so many years there's nothing yeah, and in most senses it's also bigger than most places yeah, yeah, and in most places, whenever they do do one of those sentence, uh, censuses um.

Speaker 3 1:26:38

The number of people that identify as jedis is usually more than Scientologists.

Speaker 2 1:26:43

Or Satanists.

Speaker 3 1:26:45

Or Satanists, that's true.

Speaker 1 1:26:47

Way more. We're only about 250 viewers away from breaking our record.

Speaker 2 1:26:51

Let's break a record. Let's break a record. Yeah, that would be so awesome.

Speaker 1 1:26:56

I'm not sure I understand this one, but let's break it down, guys.

Speaker 3 1:26:58

Tess, forbes, erin, your audience is international, so not french dippers yeah, so if your fans definitely oh, oh, your fan base names maybe just dippers, just dippers, and then that way, if you chew or you eat french dip, you could be a dipper I got it you know people are calling my, my, uh subscribers, the sco bees. That's nice, that's good. Let's go Bays.

Speaker 2 1:27:27

They should be like bumblebees Come on.

Speaker 1 1:27:29

Yeah, this is go bees, right, exactly, I love it. Queen bee, I really like that. Okay, eg Johnson. Wait, wait, mike has special light strips and shit. I remember when he couldn't find the microphone.

Speaker 3 1:27:41

I love how you all improve every week. Keep up the great work. Yep, look at that.

Speaker 2 1:27:48

You know you guys have. You all have blue, Mine's green, so yours is tone 40, but mine's serenity of being this, oh, really oh boy Very tough.

Speaker 1 1:28:01

Okay, Brett Gray says. I love that SPTV has grown to even tell Maryland's incredible story. Cults to crochet Go Kelly.

Speaker 3 1:28:10

I still haven't seen that one. I've just been so freaking excited over here.

Speaker 1 1:28:12

You gotta watch it. It's so good. I'll watch it on 2X speed. How about that? You can do that. Okay, what does this mean guys? Okay, what does this mean guys? Bradley Tarnapal RIP Gordon Lightfoot. He died today.

Speaker 2 1:28:24

Yeah, oh, I didn't know that. I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 1:28:26

Who is that?

Speaker 2 1:28:27

Sundown. He sings the song Sundown Sundown. You better take care if I find you've been creeping around in my backstair. He's done a lot. He's like a folk singer.

Speaker 4 1:28:37

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:28:44

He was big when I was growing up. You're not old enough, aaron. I guess that's all right. That's all right, kendra Johnston. I had to leave Amy's channel to send this, I guess because you're not monetized yet, or what.

Speaker 4 1:28:52

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:28:54

They put you in Christian jail.

Speaker 2 1:28:56

I'm in jail over there.

Speaker 1 1:28:59

It was trademark jail.

Speaker 3 1:29:02

Yeah, yeah, she had a bunch of content up there that was old stuff. It was trademark jail, yeah, yeah. Well, just to be right, yeah, cause she had a bunch of content up there that was, uh, old stuff for just other shows, oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 1:29:11

Okay, so has Scientology had an effect on how you raise your children? If so, how love you guys, you should get elves on the shelf for the SP shop. Youtube give Amy monetization.

Speaker 3 1:29:24

That's not a bad idea, though, if we could sell those for Christmas. Little Xenu elves on the shelf, or we could just make little Dave. Never mind, I'll make it a surprise.

Speaker 1 1:29:35

Keebler elf on the shelf, dave on the shelf we are going to sell so many Dave on a shelf, dave in a cave. We are going to sell so many dave on a shelves david, a cave, oh my goodness um, let's see, let's see, oh, brad grace again. I just like to see my name in lights, as a aaron says. I know it's controversial, but I prefer coals to philippes, philippes. I'm going to keep saying Philippes guys. Okay, let's see Mark Fisher. Pat Broker was there too as FBO.

Speaker 2 1:30:09

What.

Speaker 1 1:30:09

St.

Speaker 3 1:30:09

Hill no way.

Speaker 2 1:30:13

No way. Wow, I didn't realize that.

Speaker 1 1:30:17

Wow, I just ordered your book, amy. Now my SPTV book collection will be completed. Hooray Show everybody again who might just be tuning in. Do you have your book right there?

Speaker 2 1:30:29

I do. This is Scientology Abuse at the Top. This is a brand new paperback version. It's never been produced in paperback, so it's got a current picture on there and a few little updates, and so it's going to be signed by myself and my handsome husband Matt.

Speaker 3 1:30:46

Nice, nice. Did any other SPs help you in the creation of that book, amy?

Speaker 2 1:30:52

Oh yeah yeah, Jeff Hawkins, a very big SP, helped me with it. I had the design, the idea for the design, but he designed this cover and made it. I wanted it like really volcano explosion colors because he did all the original dianetic stuff. So he designed the covers and um uh tgi graphics, which was shelly, and jimmy leo, who left the int base. They did the original hardback book production.

Speaker 3 1:31:23

Nice, very cool.

Speaker 1 1:31:26

Okay, kara Montgomery, how was the now disbanded organization, the Process, connected to or born from Scientology? I've never heard of this. No clue.

Speaker 2 1:31:36

Yeah, never heard of it.

Speaker 1 1:31:37

All right, all right. All right, all right. Okay, frankie McNulty, how do all your spouses feel about the amount of time and energy spent on Scientology? I appreciate all of you. I've been watching Aaron for years and everyone else.

Speaker 3 1:31:53

from the beginning, All of our spouses were in Scientology too. Right, In fact they were all in the Sea.

Speaker 2 1:31:59

Org. Yeah, they were all in the Sea Org.

Speaker 3 1:32:01

Every single one of our spouses was in the Sea Org. Yeah, they're all in the Sea Org. Every single one of our spouses was in the Sea Org and they know what happened, so I don't think they mind it. I mean Claire's right now testifying as an expert witness in a Scientology case in Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 1:32:16

Yeah, so yeah, yeah, my husband doesn't mind. Full support, full support. You'll see him on here too.

Speaker 1 1:32:24

Yeah, husband doesn't mind. Full support, full support. You'll see him on here too.

Speaker 2 1:32:26

Yeah, I think heather stake is probably better you than me yeah right, exactly um liz turner.

Speaker 1 1:32:30

Oh, mike, we want to hear all your rathbun stories. The juice, not the fishing. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 1:32:35

well, the fishing.

Speaker 1 1:32:36

You know what that means, right yeah, I know the fishing, but what does it mean? The juice, the good stuff?

Speaker 4 1:32:42

not about the tea, the inner dirty stuff.

Speaker 1 1:32:47

But that was the good stuff about the fishing. Is that you guys would talk about the tea while fishing? Right, I know?

Speaker 3 1:32:52

It was perfect.

Speaker 1 1:32:56

Okay, let's see Scrolling down. Uh-oh, what do we got here? Declare Dave loves suppressive sherry. Starting my own SPTV-like channel under the name Diana Zine Dave, starting with tearing apart GEP, british Mark V, what's GEP?

Speaker 3 1:33:16

Golden Era Productions, british Mark V and Delta Mark V e-meters and comparing them, mark VII after those, yeah, so the Mark V that used to be at St Hill, those were just produced, probably with Don Breeding and some other people, but then in the I want to say in the 90s, as a cheap alternative e-meter that you could use for training, golden Era Produ productions also started producing an old mark five. So we used wood boxes. We made it just like the old one, except for that's the thing that bruce plots made into a solid state mark five. So it didn't have all. It had circuit, a circuit board instead of all these you know, bread boards andboards and homegrown Sanford and Son type production that L Ron Hubbard was doing Interesting.

Speaker 1 1:34:09

Okay. So James Clifford Frederick Welch says you didn't read my last super chat. Have you gone to LA Cafe? Yet spring and seventh. So I'm not a big cafe guy. Like, if I want coffee, I got coffee at the hotel. I'm not like I have to go out of my way to go. The answer is coffee, I got coffee at the hotel. I'm not like I have to go out of my way to go. The answer is no, I haven't been there. I didn't know I was supposed to. It's not on the agenda. But if I do, well now I'll put it on the agenda because it's close, it's super close, I mean it's really close. Gary Jackson Moorhead says you guys are going to have to explain this one to me. I found out Apple Box Boys money. That's Dave.

Speaker 1 1:34:44

Because, he has to stand on an Apple Box. To be high, he has to stand on an Apple Box, yeah. So I found out Apple Box Boys money. When I escorted Nori to and fro with briefcases of cash from Sumitomo Bank in LA, nori told me all about his cash flow.

Speaker 4 1:35:02

That's a reference back to me saying the suitcase is full of cash to buy a Bluebird motorhome. Nori worked in services or treasury or whatever you called it of RTC, and so Nori was the one who went to the bank, got the actual cash, brought it back to the base to give to Dave to take to meet up in his secret rendezvous with Pat Broca.

Speaker 1 1:35:29

Wow, wow, incredible. Um jennifer strickland says great live, thank you. Well, thanks for joining us, jennifer. Um, let me see. What is this? Randy wilcox? Now all I can think about is someone reporting to david miscavige. They're going to make little elf on the shelf dolls of you to sell for christmas we sure are, dave, we sure are they're gonna be little so they're easier to hide.

Speaker 3 1:35:56

Yeah and I and I can't believe I didn't think of that earlier. Like I think I'm even thinking of come soon enough. Aaron, you got it, you gotta love it. I'm even thinking of making one of those little suction cups that sticks into his butt so you can stick him on things and it'll be like a little dave plug. It'll literally be it'll be hot glued to his ass. So when you stick it to things you can hide it and put it on the wall and put it over the fireplace.

Speaker 2 1:36:24

It's gonna be amazing just yeah, so osa go and tell dave it's gonna have a stick up we're gonna make so many.

Speaker 3 1:36:32

If you want people not have them, you'll have to buy them all out, exactly, and then I'll just take out the next batch.

Speaker 4 1:36:40

You know, dave, you're the one that started all this, first of all with the ventriloquist dolls, and then with the bobblehead. Yeah, you started a cottage industry.

Speaker 2 1:36:52

Yeah, he totally started. I remember that ventriloquist exhibit a and the duke of it's just like seriously, dave, what did you think was gonna happen?

Speaker 3 1:37:08

look at this, you've created a whole industry greatest yeah, we've got people crocheting outfits for these things now.

Speaker 1 1:37:19

Mike, this one's for you. Anon A was Earl Cooley, a Scientologist In the end.

Speaker 4 1:37:24

Yes, he was. He was audited through CLEAR. He considered himself and called himself a Scientologist, at least to the people in Scientology. I don't know whether he ever told the Board of Trustees of Boston University that he considered himself a Scientologist, or the members of the bar in Boston, but he certainly expressed that to any Scientologist that he met. I didn't know that. Is he still?

Speaker 3 1:37:54

alive. No, can I put one up here quick, aaron?

Speaker 1 1:37:59

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:38:01

The Procco group says I helped with the PR on the Emmy red carpet and ran the media room. Favorite moment of the Emmys was meeting you too Once I once had to have a marketing meeting for a client about Scientology. Video failed.

Speaker 4 1:38:16

Oh how sweet, that's such a nice comment, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:38:21

It must have been the second time you guys won the Emmy, Otherwise they would have seen all of us.

Speaker 4 1:38:26

No, the second time there was no ceremony, it was virtual.

Speaker 3 1:38:33

Yeah, well, that room was pretty crowded though, by the way we you got. Did you guys, aaron? Did you guys come into the where like no?

Speaker 4 1:38:43

he said the red carpet oh, okay, okay, like no, but.

Speaker 3 1:38:48

And the media room go, you know, taking photos and all that, but it says and ran the media room that that's where we were afterwards.

Speaker 4 1:38:57

There was also a winner's room. Yeah, did you go in the winner's room.

Speaker 3 1:39:02

Aaron, I don't know. Oh, that's where we met Kenan, but no, that was before.

Speaker 1 1:39:09

Yeah, we met Kenan before and Julianne Hough, julianne Hough. Right, the little dancer girl is Julianne.

Speaker 2 1:39:15

Hough, julianne Hough right.

Speaker 1 1:39:16

The little dancer girl is Julianne Hough. Yeah, okay, all right, another one for you, mike.

Speaker 4 1:39:20

That was the green room before.

Speaker 3 1:39:22

No, because we were taking pictures.

Speaker 4 1:39:25

No, that was taking pictures afterwards.

Speaker 3 1:39:28

You're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 1:39:29

You're right, I remember now. Any updates on your cough, Mike? Hope you get some answers soon.

Speaker 4 1:39:38

Yes, I do have, but I'm not gonna, I'm not talking about it here I like I. I have been to numerous doctors. I'm going to another one at 8 am tomorrow. I'm supposed to go get a procedure and that's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 1:39:54

Awesome. Good luck Mike.

Speaker 1 1:39:56

Thank you. Yeah, if I find any donors, I'll let you know.

Speaker 3 1:40:00

Yeah, I'm postulating. I'm postulating a speedy recovery.

Speaker 1 1:40:04

I'm going to um look at good 4,499.

Speaker 2 1:40:10

So how many what's?

Speaker 1 1:40:12

the 46,. 46 was our figure last time. We we need a almost almost and yeah, there's. There's nothing our current viewers can do to help us get more viewers.

Speaker 2 1:40:22

There's got to be organic.

Speaker 4 1:40:25

Make some strong postulates. Call your text your friends.

Speaker 2 1:40:29

Yeah, get on here now.

Speaker 3 1:40:31

Make it go.

Speaker 2 1:40:33

Right, make it go yeah. No one secures.

Speaker 1 1:40:37

So, guys, I don't know what this next one means. Andy fabulous. Lrh was a KOA member and wanted to see America in his final years. Plus wife was looking to serve divorce papers for alimony.

Speaker 4 1:40:50

KOA is the campgrounds of America that you see around the, the campgrounds of America.

Speaker 2 1:40:56

Oh those, the the campgrounds of america. Oh, those places.

Speaker 3 1:40:59

That was a c no, no spelled with a k yeah, yeah it is I'm gonna find out? It's like a place where you can park your rv for the night and they have like a little canteen.

Speaker 4 1:41:09

They're all over the united states and people literally say I'm retiring, I'm buying a motor home and I'm going to go to the United States and they go from KOA campground to KOA campground because they know exactly what they're going to get in those places. They're all basically the same.

Speaker 3 1:41:26

And I've been to the very first one, which is in Cody Cody, wyoming. No kidding, I've even stayed at it, no kidding kidding, I've even stayed at it.

Speaker 1 1:41:40

No kidding, that's kind of, that's a cool fact. Okay, wow, okay, so what does this? Mean guys, hot glue, that derriere, that's, that's what mark just said he's gonna put a I'm literally hot glued to the butt of the elf on the shelf.

Speaker 4 1:41:50

Yeah, it's gonna be epic, epic uh, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 1:41:55

Um, married 1982, says off topic. But how about rub on sp tv tattoos in the sp shop for those of us who don't want something permanent? Uh, love you all missing claire. Yeah, we actually spoke about.

Speaker 3 1:42:07

Spoke about doing I'm writing that down.

Speaker 4 1:42:09

I'm putting it right under the dave on the shelf we have so many things for this much and we never get to do any of well I know we're working on it.

Speaker 1 1:42:19

Just my expert, my expert merch person also just happens to be an expert yeah, I know there you go, uh mark rummaging the pantry for saltines yeah, yeah he goes to leah's house he's like screw the peanut m&ms, just get me the saltines. That's right, don't mean to sound dramatic from Lady Pamela, but you guys have literally saved my life. Y'all have helped me so much, thank you. Can I state Leah's well, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:42:48

Lady Pamela thank you very, very much. I don't know what this was calling back to, but it's not that aaron isn't old enough, it's that he grew up in a cult right, uh, he's not old enough to know about gumby, or whatever it was there it is gumby gordon lightfoot yeah, both um prayers french sandwiches. Prayer's for Claire.

Speaker 3 1:43:16

Sandwiches. Prayer's for Claire. Prayer's for Claire.

Speaker 1 1:43:18

Thank you, slappy. I don't know what this is a throwback to, but for AA, ron's cotton ball supplies. Amy, you speak as loud as you want. Oh, cotton balls for my ears, yeah. And since my light just went out, I'll have you guys do this. Oh, my.

Speaker 4 1:43:33

God, you went into the dock.

Speaker 1 1:43:35

Hold on, you've gone to the dark side, aaron.

Speaker 3 1:43:37

Go ahead and read that one, okay, good Large truck here, a Ron and Mark have already answered, so just for Mike and Amy, any stories of when you bumped into Scientologists in everyday life.

Speaker 4 1:43:57

Oh yeah, they run away. I literally went into a movie theater to watch a movie and there were four scientologists sitting in the front row of the movie theater. Me and christy and the boys went in and sat down and those four people got up and left the movie theater before the movie started so they wouldn't be contaminated by the sps sitting five rows back from them.

Speaker 3 1:44:14

That's awesome I love that. What about you, amy?

Speaker 2 1:44:18

you know, matt drives right and so, um, he drives uber, sometimes on his spare time, just to keep himself busy, and sometimes he'll, unbeknownst to anybody, pick up scientologists and then take them like to the sandcastle that's's awesome. Drive them right like right in there, you know and they're captive.

Speaker 2 1:44:39

And he's like talking to them about the property there, like he knows everything, and they're like who is this guy? Anyway, I don't really run into Scientologists. I'm a little bit north, you know, or something, but I don't really run into Scientologists myself. Everyone I run into knows about Scientology, recognizes me from the show and stuff like that, like I'm doing a service, you know, coming up and the family, as soon as they saw me walk in, they're like I thought it was you, oh, my God. So you kind of got to get past that, because now I'm going to be talking about their mom's funeral service, you know, but you have to. It's kind of interesting in everyday life like that. Now I'm going to be talking about their mom's funeral service, you know, but you have to, it's. It's kind of interesting in everyday life like that, but I don't really run into Scientologists.

Speaker 1 1:45:22

There you go. Roberta Alton, this is for Mark. Mark, I saw your email video Great and you mentioned the costs of them Very expensive. Why do Scientologists that work for free have to pay for the meters? Do the auditors get paid?

Speaker 3 1:45:36

Yeah, I mentioned this is that and even this is even more the case recently Scientology wants to sell e-meters it doesn't matter, they don't care who to. And more recently they have been getting money from Sea Org members for them to buy e-meters and telling them that it's more of a chance that they'll get on the auditor lineup or they'll get processing if they buy an e-meter or they buy an e-meter for the org so that they can get audited on that. But auditors in Scientology organizations sometimes they use their own meter, but sometimes they will. Just the org has a stock of e-meters that they use, so it's all over. They're just trying to, and that's another thing. Golden Era Productions is a Scientology organization that makes the e-meters and they sell them to other Scientology organizations. So the money is really just, you know, coming out of this pocket and going into this pocket, kind of thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:46:38

Okay, so check this out, mel says. In my eighth grade class a boy said Mike renders my hero Even really good. People like him get brainwashed by goals. That's funny. But now it says one of two. But I don't. I don't see part two here and actually I didn't realize that's exactly what it said when I clicked on it. But what was the time?

Speaker 3 1:47:07

What's the time on it?

Speaker 1 1:47:08

Oh, I see it Five, 15.

Speaker 3 1:47:10

Okay, I'll find the other part. I'll find the other part. Five, oh yeah, 515. I'll find the other part. Keep reading. I'll find the other part.

Speaker 1 1:47:19

Well, okay, I saw one from Mary. That's really cracking me up. So, mary Kahn, so this whopping $5 gets split four ways. Where does it go? $3 to SPTV, $1 to YouTube. So okay, so, mary, it doesn't get split four ways.

Speaker 3 1:47:36

No, aaron takes it all. Yeah, Aaron gets it all.

Speaker 1 1:47:41

No, no, mary, it depends on which channel you're actually commenting on. So, like Mary's probably, like, oh my God, I didn't realize I was. Yeah, we're streaming on four different channels. So we're streaming on my channel, mark's channel, mike's channel, amy's channel. Whichever channel you make the super chat on, um, the super chat goes to that channel. Um, so, uh, now, yeah, so there you go that that, that that's how it works, um. In my eighth grade class, a boy said okay, so that was part one.

Speaker 4 1:48:15

Yeah, and did you find part two, mark?

Speaker 3 1:48:18

No, there's 207. Oh, no, it's not in 715. So I just finished 715. Now I'm going through. Uh, it probably is going to be. Later I'll pull up some other ones.

Speaker 1 1:48:27

I'll pull up some other ones. You have to type Um Claire. Claire says Mike, I just saw that your book is finally on Audible in the UK. Can't wait to get it finally.

Speaker 4 1:48:36

Yeah well, it's actually been there for a couple of months now, but glad you found it.

Speaker 1 1:48:41

Nice, Awesome. There are massive impacts and shutters going through this building. You're having an earthy quake. No, I mean literally, it's like an elevator. I mean it's really like the whole building is not constantly shaking.

Speaker 1 1:48:59

It's like boom. Anyway, it's weird. Maybe it is an earthquake, we'll see. I saw here we go. Okay, claire will be a Zen master during Defenses Cross. She'll be unshakable, relaying, unassailable personal experience receipts. Yes and well. And thank God at least it's going to be Sean Holly crossing her, because I would feel really bad to see Philip Cohen do his little, always being exasperated and frustrated at every little tiny thing, while Claire is there, being like an angel, an unflappable angel. Sean Holly was much more professional and I just say nice, you know where it wasn't like what's wrong with you, you know. So Anyway, better strategy for the defense for Sean Hawley to do it Than cause, she said. Sean Hawley Did say she was going to be the one crossing Claire, so that'll be interesting. Let's see. John funny story I got a Scientology cross tattoo when I was 18. When the LC Saw it she told me I had to get the registered symbol tattooed next to it.

Speaker 2 1:50:02

Oh, that's so ridiculous.

Speaker 3 1:50:05

Oh my god, that is amazing, that is the greatest for anybody who doesn't know the lc is the LRHCOM and it's the person who's it's the. There's one in every single Scientology organization, even Golden Air Productions, it doesn't matter, they all are supposed to have an LRHCOM and that person is responsible to make sure that L Ron Hubbard policy is applied 100%, and so him getting a cross that doesn't have the copyright or the registered symbol next to it is off policy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:50:42

But listen, this happened with Tommy Davis. He got the Sea Org symbol tattooed and David Miscavige didn't like it because it's a copyrighted symbol. That's exactly right.

Speaker 3 1:50:54

I heard that story from Daveave. Yeah, it's a copyright. Yeah, yeah, never heard him say that. No, yes, he said this guy I remember it because it was one of those times when he was teasing about me I have a dm tattoo and he said this guy's got his initials uh tattooed on his shoulder and this guy's got a seward cross and it's. He doesn't even own that okay, what's this, guys?

Speaker 1 1:51:22

jeff hawkins says remember when bruce plots sang the theme?

Speaker 3 1:51:26

yes, the best things ever oh my gosh, yeah, this technician dude, dude. Well, this is wow, this is some seriously inside baseball. And we do have 57 more questions. The, this technician guy named Bruce. He never slept, never. He was always up fixing something that was broken somewhere on the property audio visual, technical, super electronic stuff and he would. He was like, he would kind of like mumble through things and we would have these some, yeah, shuffle through things and we had this performance where, um the golden era musicians did a song and it was also when isaac hayes was doing lots of stuff with the golden era musicians. So this guy, this technician guy, he was shaft and he sang the isaac hayes, isaac hayes song he came up he was tracing a chord because he's a technician.

Speaker 2 1:52:24

He was all the way up to the stage. He was tracing this chord in his white overcoat that looked like a you know technician.

Speaker 3 1:52:32

Then he throws off his overcoat and starts singing he's like looking to see where the mic is, and everybody thought he was literally going up there to fix the microphone, because that was his job yeah, he grabs the microphone and then he whips open his thing. He's like who is the man like that? And it was. It was pretty amazing can you dig it?

Speaker 1 1:52:53

uh, jen nelson says mike, you brought up the wall in germany. My uncle was stationed in germany when the wall came down and he brought home a piece of the wall for my grandma.

Speaker 4 1:53:01

That's cool having a piece of that would be cool when I was there.

Speaker 1 1:53:06

Uh, look at this one, apollonia paradise. Also juliet lewis in yellow jackets. She's trying to get an old friend out of a cult. What?

Speaker 3 1:53:14

yeah, wow it's it's like no, no life entertaining art where he got what's her name jenna elfman yeah elizabeth moss giovanni. They're all on shows about cults what is jenna elfman? Oh, she was on a. She's been a lot of things that scientology wouldn't necessarily approve of. Uh, check her out in Shameless season three, I think it is. But isn't she on the Walking Dead or something like that? Oh, I don't know. Fear of the Walking Dead, I think I don't know. Is she? I think she is. That's what I've told.

Speaker 1 1:53:49

Okay, oh, yeah. So hey, did we ever find part two of this story?

Speaker 3 1:53:54

I didn't, I really on it. No, we didn't. This is it. This is the same person.

Speaker 4 1:54:01

I did appreciate your comment. Yes, there you go Okay, declared.

Speaker 1 1:54:07

Declared. Dave loves suppressive. Sherry sent mini Mike bobblehead pick to Claire of Cincinnati org a few weeks ago. Surprised, there were actually a few suspicious cars in the parking lot.

Speaker 3 1:54:17

Yeah, hey.

Speaker 4 1:54:18

I'm going to say this now, just as long as this guy brought it up.

Speaker 3 1:54:27

If you send in a picture of your Mike bobblehead, do one with the bobblehead and do one without, because we're being asked for some of these pictures by other groups and other people. And it's great that I have a picture of the Cincinnati org with two cars in it, but there is this little gray little toy in the front of the picture and that's not always the best little toy.

Speaker 4 1:54:43

That's how you describe it. Well, I'm just saying a little toy.

Speaker 3 1:54:47

A professional person, very gray, asking for pictures. Hey, yeah, I'm not going to say anything, but uh, never mind, I just got some hot skinny. Be ready after. Be ready after lunch, nice, oh yeah, tammy.

Speaker 1 1:55:07

Oh yeah, well, I told I said that earlier.

Speaker 3 1:55:09

Yeah, I just got I just got the.

Speaker 1 1:55:11

I just got the confirmation, just official word. Tammy producer says no question just wanted to say love y'all keep on keeping on hi tammy. I just got the confirmation, Just official word. Tammy Producer says no question. Just wanted to say love y'all. Keep on keeping on, Hi Tammy.

Speaker 3 1:55:21

Thank you.

Speaker 1 1:55:21

Tammy Danny Yates says love these streams Goes to show how Scientology controlled information, as each of you are always finding out new info. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 1:55:31

It's silent.

Speaker 1 1:55:33

Yes, I don't know what this means. Guys, ethan Harhan hargan, the rac wants in. What does that mean? I don't know. I thought it's not the royal canadian air force. Anybody know what the rac is? No, no going once. Okay, dave bowen, are you allowed to drink coffee or beer in the seahorse coffee?

Speaker 1 1:55:50

yes, yeah, you get a little for drinking here, even though the reason you're not allowed to drink beer in the seahorse, theoretically speaking, is only because every single day you're supposed to do a little bit of course time and you're not allowed to go on course if you've had beer within 24 hours. So if you were to have drunk beer and then like you'd be in so much trouble for putting a beer over your course time now, but if you have the next day off and you know if you have the next day off and you know if you have the next day off and you know you're not supposed to go on course, technically you shouldn't get in trouble for drinking a beer, but I feel like you would anyway and it's also.

Speaker 3 1:56:21

It's just not a normal thing, because you don't have a lot of time off and you don't have a lot of money, and so it's kind of like I wouldn't spend it on beer, although, um, I have to tell this story now that you said oh, oh God, here we go.

Speaker 3 1:56:34

Okay, we had a party and it was like a Christmas party or something. It was in the early nineties. Claire was an RTC and because Claire was an RTC, I would drive the RTC guys a lot and I would drive them home and I would drive them all over the place late at night and I had a van because I carried my shoot crew around in it and I would drive them all over the place late at night and I had a van because I carried my shoot crew around in it and I would just drive them to their apartments. Anyway, I got told when we were going to have a Christmas party that I had to drive these guys but I was going to try to drink some rum because I really like rum. I was going to try to drink some rum that night and I couldn't. So I got two Gatorade bottles and I filled them with rum and I put them in a little thing and I said when I get home I'm going to have a nightcap. Anyway, I put them under the sink in our room and then I never saw them, ever again.

Speaker 3 1:57:21

But when I was in Denmark, um, david Miscavige, he didn't see me when I was there and he said oh, you're a criminal. You didn't come say hi to me. Da da, da, da da. So RTC went to my I was in Denmark. They went to my I was in denmark. They went to my room at the base and they went through and searched my whole place and they found those two little gatorade bottles from a few years before. And so when I got back they thought I was an alky because I had bottles of gatorade with little little rum bottles and it was like this big thing and I was like why am I? Why are you guys asking me all these questions about booze? And they're like we found your stash, mark, and I was just like what?

Speaker 2 1:57:58

I'm for you to confess.

Speaker 1 1:58:01

Okay so here we go oh my.

Speaker 4 1:58:04

God, we're at 158.

Speaker 3 1:58:06

And we're also at 4622. We only need another 30 more.

Speaker 1 1:58:11

Yeah. Dm's face on urinal cakes, yeah. Or on Target stickers urinal cakes, yeah. Or on Target stickers for public toilets. God, that would be amazing.

Speaker 3 1:58:20

Those have been suggested before. You know what. I haven't really approved of that in the past because I think that's demeaning. But I'm putting it down under Dave on a Shelf and the temporary tattoos. What are we calling it? We're going to call them, Just so you know, I've already done the artwork and everything. They're called Davy Cakes and I've already researched it and I almost pulled the trigger on a PO and this might seal the deal. Davy Cakes might be a thing.

Speaker 1 1:58:47

What is this one referring to? Guys Lane Berlin? Legally, how did David Miscavige acquire the rights to books that LRH wrote? Isn't that a separate deal from Scientology, the religion? Did someone say something about this?

Speaker 3 1:58:58

No Authored services has the rights.

Speaker 4 1:59:01

No, CST owns the rights. Cst owns the copyrights and the trademarks to everything in Scientology.

Speaker 3 1:59:09

Oh, ASI collects the royalties on the sales of those books.

Speaker 1 1:59:13

Yeah, yeah, okay, last one here and then we'll do the last giveaway. I assume. Radley says I assume that Luke Watson and Brie Schaefer are not being called for the defense because the testimony wouldn't be good, so why don't we call them? Any ideas who's going to be called? So the answer is because the prosecutors have come to understand that you put any of these people on the stand and they're just going to lie. Exactly, Exactly right. They're worthless. They're worthless witnesses, they're just going to lie.

Speaker 4 1:59:39

Yep, yep and sincerely lie Right.

Speaker 1 1:59:44

And in the process say a bunch of false bullshit that's going to stick in the jury's mind, even though objection, objection. They're already going to do anything they can to spoil the jury with a bunch of lies up there. They're already going to do anything they can to spoil the jury with a bunch of lies up there and it's not worth. The juice is not worth the squeeze, that's right, the best.

Speaker 3 2:00:00

Scientologist, as they say. As the saying goes, the best Scientologist is an ex Scientologist.

Speaker 2 2:00:07

Hey, I want to just say 4646. I was. I was noting the highest that it got while we were talking was 4,671.

Speaker 3 2:00:19

Nice, that is a record, isn't it? With the math here, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 2:00:22

And I just want to say one Hip hip hooray. Everyone gets right. Hip hip hooray.

Speaker 4 2:00:31

Three cheers, three cheers for the Commodore.

Speaker 2 2:00:34

We used to do that about 20 times an event.

Speaker 2 2:00:38

Oh yeah, hip, hip, hooray. You never knew if you should be standing up or sitting down. You're getting up so often. But let me say one thing, because I saw a lot of questions on this about. I do not have a website. So there's whoisamyscobeycom, that's Scientology's website. The WordPress is somebody else's website website, even though it looks like it's for me. And then there's a another scoby publishing website with gambling stuff on it, even though it talks about me. I don't know why none of those are my. None of those are mine. Where you can find me is on youtube on youtube and my email, which is scobiepublishing at gmailcom. So awesome.

Speaker 3 2:01:19

Okay, taking links out of description Now we are going to do the countdown.

Speaker 4 2:01:26

Okay, for the autographed personalized copy of a billion years, and if you miss out copy of a billion years, and if you miss out, you can order it on my website, on my blog, anyway. You just have to pay for it then, okay, so here we go.

Speaker 3 2:01:45

five, four, three, two, one kaboom me declare dave loves suppressive sherry he was a big, he was very popular tonight yeah, declared dave good, good coming out. Has he been on your channel before, aaron?

Speaker 1 2:02:09

I don't recognize the screen name wow, good for you.

Speaker 3 2:02:12

Declare.

Speaker 4 2:02:13

Dave Me either. Okay, declare, dave loves suppressive sherry. Go to my blog, mikerindersblogorg. Click on contact me and send me an email. There we go. All right guys, and include in that email what you want me to say in the book and the address to send it to.

Speaker 1 2:02:34

Fantastic. Hey, there's been another successful episode of SPTV. Yes, anything else.

Speaker 2 2:02:43

Thank you guys for having me on with you. Don't forget to subscribe, yeah.

Speaker 4 2:02:47

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Speaker 2 2:02:53

Yes.

Speaker 4 2:02:54

All those things, all those things.

Speaker 2 2:02:55

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Speaker 3 2:03:00

Also, just so you know, when we hit 30,000, the Blown for Good site is at 29,512 right now. When we click over 30,000, we go through the comments and we give away a book. If you're on my channel, if you ask for a book, when it ticks over to 30,000, you get picked and we send somebody a free book.

Speaker 2 2:03:19

Amazing.

Speaker 1 2:03:20

All right, everybody. Thanks for watching. Bye, Thanks guys. See you guys later.

Speaker 3 2:03:24

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