Uncovering Scientology's Mysteries: Shelly Miscavige, Chiropractor Influence, and Personal Triumphs - Scientology Q&A #28

This episode originally aired on YouTube on May 12th, 2023.  Due to popular demand, these episodes are being made available on the podcast as well. 

This episode investigates the mysterious disappearance of Shelly Miscavige, the wife of Scientology leader David Miscavige. Through personal anecdotes and insights, Mark and Claire Headley discuss Shelly's life, her significance within Scientology, and the broader implications of her absence while also shedding light on the church's treatment of its members. The episode encourages listeners to engage in discussions about transparency, personal agency, and the ongoing struggles against controlling organizations.

• Exploring Shelly’s disappearance and its implications
• Personal experiences shared by former members
• Legal battles faced by the Headleys to uncover the truth
• The role of chiropractic practices in Scientology
• Ongoing viewer engagement and community support initiatives

Chapters

• 0:13 Updates on Scientology Live Show
• 14:43 Cracker Licking and Other Updates
• 20:05 Chiropractors' Role in Scientology Finances
• 29:00 Remembering Jenna and Shelly's Story
• 37:17 Annie Tidman's Story and Scientology Updates
• 43:24 Inside Scientology
• 51:31 Chatter and Giveaways
• 1:03:42 Sea Org Stories and Experiences
• 1:16:13 Understanding Scientology
• 1:26:53 Women's Live Chat and Scientology RPF
• 1:35:21 Updates on Merchandise and Shelly Collection
• 1:39:20 Chiropractors and Scientology Connections
• 1:50:08 Escape Stories and Sea Org Life
• 1:57:50 Behind the Scenes Scientology Insights

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:13

Hey guys, welcome to the stream, welcome to this episode of Scientology Live Mark Headley here.

Speaker 2: 0:22

Claire Headley here.

Speaker 1: 0:26

Let's just see. It's been a while We've been busy, guys. We've got a bunch of stuff to update you on. Let's just see who's in here. Have we got anybody show up for the live? Oh yeah, it looks like we've got a few hundred people in here. We've got Get it down there in the comments and let me see where you're coming in from. Oh, we got somebody from denmark. Um, we got sweden. Angels, camp, california, toronto. Um, longmont, longmont, colorado, hey, longmont yay, long, just south a little bit of you guys.

Speaker 2: 1:05

At least it's not North Longmont where Denver Stevo hangs out.

Speaker 1: 1:09

Yeah, we got. Ireland, oklahoma, west Palm Beach, canada, michigan, perth, australia, yorkshire, uk, minnesota, birmingham, alabama. Unfortunately, that was in the comment, not me, unfortunately. Um, that was in the comment, not me. Scranton, victoria, canada, long beach, southern california, central illinois uh, seattle, cowtown, massachusetts. Wow, georgia, philly, I got people from all over tonight awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:37

Thanks for joining us, guys.

Speaker 1: 1:39

Let's give a shout out to the amazing, the one, the only goldie yes we love we have have the golden moderator with us tonight, Goldie, known as Goldie. Yes, she keeps the comments in the chat under control because evidently you guys are pretty rowdy and we need a full-time moderator to babysit. So but, yes, I, we, we've been, we've been off the radar because this is our 50th live that we've done on Scientology and we just celebrated my 50th birthday last week. So we've been kind of we've been, we've been off the radar for a little bit Now. We've just been recovering over the past last few days.

Speaker 2: 2:27

But it was quite something to recover from.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Yes, we had a lot of people showed up and we had tons of fun, and because of that we weren't doing videos during that time.

Speaker 2: 2:44

But I did have a new episode of when is Shelly Miscavige dropped this morning.

Speaker 1: 2:49

That's right If you guys haven't seen that. So Claire did a series when is Shelly Miscavige? The first video was just with me to just kind of get it going, and now she's going to interview people that lived and worked with shelly um from when she was very young, like in her teens, all the way up until like the kind of the mid-2000s when she disappeared yeah, so exploring all aspects of shelly's 58 years in scientology yeah, so if you haven't seen that, check it out.

Speaker 1: 3:23

That's cool. The one that dropped today was with Mike, right, that was the episode, crazy. And then what else do we got? We got the Shelley series. Oh, we did another episode of the Spy Files and I'm going to try to get at least one of those every week. So Claire will have a Where's Shelley Miscavige video and I'm going to try to do a Spy Files video every week. The documents that are coming up are very big and they're like just word, just salads from the office of special affairs, scientology spy wing. So, um, I've been dreading getting to these and um, yeah, we'll see what happens. I'm we might even have to break them into like part one and twos. We'll see. But yeah, that's coming. And what else do we got?

Speaker 2: 4:31

Oh, and then I have a bunch more interviews coming too.

Speaker 1: 4:34

Well, yeah, we have.

Speaker 2: 4:35

I mean we have like six episodes of Where's Shelley and then I'm recording more of those each week and then I'm also picking back up on the interviews.

Speaker 1: 4:45

So yeah, so yeah, we've got a lot of new stuff. If you haven't seen it, the spy files are on the Blown for Good channel and there's actually a playlist that I think is just spy files. But if you just search for spy files on the channel, the spy files videos I think are some of the most watched videos on the channel. The Spy Files videos I think are some of the most watched videos on the channel. Between Claire's interviews and the Spy Files, those are the lives. We get a lot watching at once, but I don't think all of those make it to the top of the pile. But do you remember which that video was? Was it spy, was it spy files or was it a live?

Speaker 2: 5:29

It was a live. I was rebooting my computer, as you know, but while you're talking I'll pull it up. So I know it was on February 16th with Mike. I'll tell you which number it is in just a minute.

Speaker 1: 5:41

Well, either way, scientology sent a whole bunch of letters to my clients and saying that I was. You know that I like to party on Hollywood Boulevard. Oh, by the way, this last birthday, no, I made it all the way to the end of the night. I I had full motor control at the end of the evening, folks.

Speaker 2: 6:03

Anyway, scientology sent these letters out to and neither was it on hollywood boulevard, for that matter.

Speaker 1: 6:09

Yeah I didn't pass out on any sidewalk in any town no um the um well you keep mind?

Speaker 2: 6:16

why spy files number 14 with?

Speaker 1: 6:19

there you go. Spy files, number 14. We went through this letter that Scientology sent to my business clients and at the end of the letter all these Scientologists signed it. Okay, so we crowdsourced their info. Thank you everyone out in the YouTube world. We got sent all of their data and we had a law firm send them a letter and we just this was you know, this happened over the past few weeks, maybe a month or two now, because, yeah, this happened in february. Yeah, so between february and now, we got all the addresses, we got all the info. We gave that all over to the law firm. The law firm sent them a letter where we just heard back from the, a lawyer who's representing is it 26 people? He's representing all 26 of them and he has requests. He's. He's answered our letter saying thank you, we got your letter and let us track down our 26 clients that are all over the world, because we don't even know who the yeah all over the country, because we don't even know who they are and uh and so once.

Speaker 2: 7:34

That's not weird take on a client. You don't even know who or where they are. 26 of them all over the country. That's not suspicious at all.

Speaker 1: 7:42

Right.

Speaker 2: 7:42

That doesn't sound like IRS tax free dollars being put to bad use. Does it now, folks?

Speaker 1: 7:49

Yes, so essentially I guess, scientology. I'm assuming that Scientology has hired these attorneys to represent all 26 of these people and now they're going to make four responses from those people. But the thing that's kind of crazy is I don't know if these Scientologists know they signed this letter Like they're from all over, so it wasn't like the letter was passed around and they signed it. Somebody put all those signature on the signatures on there, either digitally or just. You know, here we go, so we'll see how with or without their approval and knowledge, even.

Speaker 1: 8:39

Yeah, so those people are just going to find out that they're in the middle of a legal matter now for signing one of their little internet troll letters and we'll see how that goes. I was thinking because it cost a lot. It was so much to send the letter, but that was half of the cost it was going to be from crowdsourcing all the info. If we would have had to pay the lawyers to then pay somebody to track everybody down, it probably would have been double the amount that we ended up spending, but I want to say it was north of $5,000, right.

Speaker 2: 9:20

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 9:20

To send a letter. It was about five thousand dollars.

Speaker 2: 9:23

Yeah, exactly that's right.

Speaker 1: 9:24

For for our law firm to review the situation and send a letter to all these people Poof so anyway. So that's where that stands. We will update you and also for the people. Every once in a while I see an email saying, hey, this guy's phone number changed and they send me the info. Email saying, hey, this guy's phone number changed and they send me the info. We got everything we need. I know I'm and that's partially my fault because I was out of town for a few weeks on a job and then I've just been catching up, so I'm probably two months behind on the blown for good email. So I'm sorry about that. I do have a full time job and you as do I.

Speaker 1: 10:04

thank you, and so I mean I might get a hundred emails a day on that blown forget email. So I can't get to every single email, guys, and, to be honest, I haven't even been on the blown forget email for probably a month or so, maybe two months now.

Speaker 2: 10:19

So yeah, so if you need something urgently, it might be more efficient to send smoke signals. Is what you're saying we will make an effort to get caught up one of these months.

Speaker 1: 10:31

We'll try, but OK, what else? We did get a really cool letter and we're going to do a whole video about that and we'll show you that. Uh, probably next week or the week after we'll see. Um, but I did want to show. A lot of people were asking because we did the where's shelly uh series that we just had the last two weeks. They're asking if we should have some where's shelly merch.

Speaker 1: 10:57

Okay, you ask, we deliver we answered okay, this is the where is shelllly collection on the Blown for Good store, which is the link is in the description. But we've got, we got a hoodie. Oh yeah, there it is. We got a Where's Shelly hoodie.

Speaker 2: 11:15

Which comes in many different colors.

Speaker 1: 11:17

Yeah, it's a rainbow of fruit flavors here. Ok, we got all that Bingo, bingo. Great, you love it. I know it's amazing. And then we have the SPTV collection. We got these cool sticker packs that are actually pretty cheap, and we got some mugs, and then we got some hoodies. For the people that are telling us I guess there's something I had to study all about it, people that are telling us that I guess there's something I had to study all about it. There's a thing called a pink tax, where certain female items are just charged more or higher cost or something.

Speaker 2: 11:56

Yeah, as our kids would say, we had to search it up.

Speaker 1: 12:02

Yeah, we had to search it up. Anyway, the reason that there's one female shirt that costs more than everything else and that's because it's just made out of some super fancy material that's super comfy and they just charge more for it. That's all. Stuff's just normal, it doesn't. It's not made from you know wherever thread made by silkworms on Superman's home planet or wherever they're getting this material from. Anyway, that's the SPTV collection. We got mugs, we got stickers, we got notebooks, we got hoodies.

Speaker 2: 12:37

Oh, you should show the new, not Today, thetan.

Speaker 1: 12:40

And then we have the Xenu is my homeboy collection and that has Xenu is my homeboy Hail, xenu. There's this Xenu is my homeboy ladies tee that everyone's getting excited about. There is not today. Thayton, somebody wanted this shirt, and so it says not today. Thayton, somebody wanted this shirt, and so it says Not Today Thayton. You know, like off the other guy's name who rhymes with Thayton. We have, oh, that's right.

Speaker 2: 13:14

There's a bunch of different ones of those.

Speaker 1: 13:16

I love them all.

Speaker 2: 13:18

Clara did an amazing job.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Yeah, we have the Not Today Thayton Super Soft Tea, the spooky version, and then we have the Not Today Thayton retro version, and then we have the Not Today 404 version.

Speaker 2: 13:42

That's my favorite. I love that one.

Speaker 1: 13:44

This is when the Thaytans get into claire's computer on a full-time basis.

Speaker 2: 13:48

Yeah, on a full-time basis seriously um anyway, get back to work on catching up on your backlog yeah, okay, so that's the xenu.

Speaker 1: 13:56

Oh, we got hoodies, we got stickers, we got all kinds of stuff, and then we have the cracker collection and and then we got some signed books. So we have almost all the merch we have is something that somebody requested. So you know, if you guys want something, I mean we have a lot of stuff on there right now, so hopefully you guys can just do that stuff, that stuff, if you want to get something that helps us, that helps us pay for five thousand dollar legal letters we got to send out to to mess with Scientology's nonsense, that's that goes into the legal fund, the Headley Legal Fund, and then I think the last is that it. Did I forget anything? No?

Speaker 2: 14:45

I think the last is that it. Did I forget anything? Nope, I think we're good. And then, yeah, yeah, that's it on the merch store.

Speaker 1: 14:51

Oh, you know what guys? We do have some bad news, we do. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 14:59

Oh no, that's awful.

Speaker 1: 15:00

Yeah, you know this whole cracker thing Well. I've been eating a lot of crackers lately and my system does not agree with crackers. I just don't know what to tell you. My system, my bod, this hot bod, 50-year-old bod of mine, it's not cracker friendly, is, uh, it's not cracker friendly.

Speaker 2: 15:30

And um so my whole cracker, my whole cracker licking career, it has been sidelined for the moment and um, evidently it's short-lived, because I've never, in the almost 31 years we've been married, other than in kelly's, I've never seen you lick a cracker Just wanted to throw that out there.

Speaker 1: 15:48

And see, this might I hate to say it, but this might lend a tiny shred of credibility to this whole cracker licking thing, because I started eating them and I have a bad upset stomach. So maybe this happened 30 years ago and I figured, oh, don't eat those. You could lick them but don't eat them. This is highly unlikely and improbable, but it's the only scenario I can see that this whole cracker licking?

Speaker 2: 16:14

This is what we do when we lay in bed at night trying to go to sleep. Under what scenario might I have licked a cracker?

Speaker 1: 16:23

We were brainstorming cracker licking opportunities that might've occurred to the 15 years that I worked there. So I don't know, but cracker cracker gate lives on. We'll see what happens, but we're still going to leave that awesome cracker liquor video up. That's staying no matter what, and and I don't want to I don't want to give Kelly any ideas because she's working on a special project for us right now. She is, but if anybody wants to take any other hate videos and remix them, be my guest. If you can make something, that's it's got to be at that kelly level, but if it's a little.

Speaker 2: 16:59

She set the bar very high. But when you, when you see the art in that like every single time I watch that I laugh harder. It's just. Yeah, it is pretty funny there's.

Speaker 1: 17:11

Also, you gotta listen to the very end of the video because there's a giant cracker crunch right at the end and um yeah, um, kelly actually had stock shots of in there of a some, some dude eating a cracker, and I, when, when we got the video from her and I said, well, the video's about me, I might as well do that, I might as well get it, get down on some crackers. So then that's what I recorded those little sections for, and I just did a bunch of random stuff and I sent it to her and she cut it right in. It was it worked, perfect, I don't. I mean, it was pretty awesome and she even got some good eye moves and I don't you know. I don't remember doing any of that, but she got, she was able to edit it.

Speaker 2: 17:55

I just enjoyed that you even got the grocery store.

Speaker 1: 17:58

I did.

Speaker 2: 17:59

Rolling the cart along. That's true.

Speaker 1: 18:01

I put my phone along in the grocery aisle I put my phone on the shopping cart like I rested it and I started the video and then I drove down the cracker aisle. I had an improvised dolly shot down the super and you should have seen the looks I was getting, because I probably did like 10 versions and I did a slow version and then I did a fast. They were all too fast, but I did the slowest I could without did a fast. They were all too fast, but I did the slowest I could without looking like a total freak in the grocery store. Um, one of those guys that's pulling the food off the shelves. You know to like put a, get an online order together. He, this person, I swear you would have thought it was me. This guy had like eight different crackers. He was pulling out of the cracker aisle and personal shopper.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, and what kind of freak eats 10 different kinds of crackers.

Speaker 1: 18:53

But he was, but I was the freak because he's like why is this guy videoing the crackers? Anyway, it's fun. Okay, Gosh, I think we're going to do uh, is there anything else? I can't think of anything else that's happening. I mean, there's a lot that's happening, but nothing that we're going to really talk about here tonight in any depth.

Speaker 2: 19:14

Um, we know that the trial let's give a shout out to all all the we're up to 1421. Oh, and just say sorry, we might love. Our youngest had a trombone band performance last night and it was the last of the year, so we wanted to show our support and go, go see it. He did amazing.

Speaker 1: 19:35

He did. He's like rocking it out on the trombone. So, yeah, the yeah, the other stuff that's happening. You know, when we have something that we can talk about, we'll talk about it, but otherwise, if you want to ask us a question, get in the chat and Claire will start some questions and then, if there's nothing else, I think we can just start going into the Q&A. Right, you got anything?

Speaker 2: 20:02

else Nope.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Okay, Absolutely, we're good to go. Here we go. Hey Joe, can you please excuse me? Can you please discuss how important chiropractors are to Scientology? Um, well, I think you want to, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:17

Yeah, chiropractors are important to Scientology because they have lots of money. And so, for example, my stepfather was the executive, he was the head of the Beverly Hills Mission and he actually catered to chiropractors specifically For a while. He would fly all over the US just to personally deliver Scientology counseling to these chiropractors and get into Scientology, and then chiropractors and get into Scientology, and then chiropractors would get all their staff in and I don't know what. Well, actually, david Singer targeted chiropractors specifically too. That's what kind of built that mold.

Speaker 1: 20:56

Yeah, and I think really what they do for chiropractors is most chiropractors they go to chiropractor school and this is how Scientology sells them on this. But there's a group called the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises yep, is that what it is? And it's like it's basically a Scientology business club that you pay a certain amount of money to belong to and then you agree, you actually sign an agreement that your business will use l ron hubbard's administrative technology and teachings in your business and then you pay to wise like as like a tithe or a membership fee. That's not. You know it's, it's. It's an amount, and then you have to's an amount and then you have to train. Once you're a member, you have to train all your staff on Scientology.

Speaker 1: 21:49

So the thing that they use to sell these Scientologists on doing, or these chiropractors on getting into this, is that you went to chiropractor school.

Speaker 1: 21:59

You didn't go to business school. So these chiropractors uniformly it's dentists and chiropractors are wholly unorganized in their business practice and they don't have anybody to do that, and so what they do is Scientology has created all these patterns and set things. It's like a startup chiropractor business or a standard dentist business practice and it has all the things that you do and checklists and all these things that essentially organize, and they've also, from years and years of dealing with chiropractors and dentists, they've learned all these tips and tricks on how you can make more money as a dentist or a chiropractor, just the way you sell your services and email clients, and all these little little things that most chiropractors are clueless about. They just want to help people, or dentists, they just want to fix teeth and they don't really know how to do the business. End of it. Well, scientology has perfected how to do the business under that and they have all that, and they air quotes yeah, and they package it as Scientology, even though it's just basically chiropractor and dentistry and just normal business practices.

Speaker 1: 23:19

And some of them might be you know tips or tricks that you could do that they've found successful over the years. But so they get these chiropractors in and they're all horribly organized and they don't make as much money as they think they're going to make. And so when Scientology says, oh, we're going to double your income in the first year and possibly triple or quadruple it in following years, and they're like what could, what could go wrong following years? And they're like what could, what could go wrong? And so as soon as they double their income, scientology says, well, we're gonna take them. We want all that because the whole reason you're doing good now is because of us, and so they just want the money, guys, and they've. And there was a guy named as a David singer yep.

Speaker 1: 24:02

David singer and another gentleman by the name of greg hughes who was very, very involved in this in the 80s, and they had these, these consultants companies that would go after these specific um chiropractors or dentists or business professionals, or you know, they would go. They'll go after anybody, but they really have a good sales pitch for the dentists and the chiropractors. And Scientology has made millions and millions and millions off of these dentists and chiropractors. And the other thing that they sometimes get involved in is insurance fraud, and Scientology will teach you how to do all kinds of fraud. If you let them and if you can convince them that you're going to get some money, it's going to end up back their way. I can't remember. Oh, spina, it's the Spinas. The Spina brothers were some huge, huge ballers in Scientology whales and they gave millions and millions of dollars to Scientology from, I think I want to say they were chiropractors.

Speaker 2: 25:11

I can't remember if they were dentists. Bruce and Beth Settle were two big ones too that came in through the Beverly Hills mission. They were dentists.

Speaker 1: 25:19

They were dentists. Yeah, I was just going to say I'm pretty sure that I've actually been to their house. I shot some Scientology films at their house.

Speaker 2: 25:26

I've been to their house too. Before I joined the Sears the one in the hills. Yeah, in Malibu, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 25:33

Or close to Malibu, yeah it wasn't in Malibu, but I know what you're talking about. It's in the mountains.

Speaker 2: 25:37

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 25:38

Santa Monica Mountains, I think it.

Speaker 2: 25:40

It's on the way towards Malibu.

Speaker 1: 25:41

Joe, I think we answered the hell out of your question.

Speaker 2: 25:46

Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1: 25:46

He's like okay, please stop talking yeah he's like okay, and now I know the answer Local Juco, local Juco Claire, tell us your favorite Shakira song. Much love to you both.

Speaker 2: 26:01

Shakira, the one that immediately comes to mind is Hips Don't Lie. But I can't tell if that's because Mark always says yeah, those hips don't lie, or yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:10

I don't know, there was not a lot of things that got to us in the bubble, wasn't that when we were at the base? Was when Shakira was floating around.

Speaker 2: 26:17

Yeah, isn't?

Speaker 1: 26:21

there a wolf song that she did too. I want to say, yes, I think there was a wolf.

Speaker 2: 26:26

Some to I want to say, yes, I think there was a wolf, some kind of, some kind of animal didn't have much access to you know, or much um, even input to know what the songs were or the lyrics or anything else it's not pathetic, but yeah I like shakira yeah, yeah, she's.

Speaker 1: 26:39

She also publicly stated that she's not doing, she's not getting mixed up with any tom cruise stuff. She was probably just walking near him and he they were. They did a photo op or something and as they were walking away, somebody got a picture, I don't know. Um slater jl says claire, loving the new series. You and mike answered a question today that I've had for a long time how come david won't just produce shelly? To stop all the speculation, I bet mike on. Yeah, they covered that in the video. So if you haven't seen the video she did with Mike, as soon as this is over, get on over there and get some of that.

Speaker 2: 27:16

Yeah, I'm just thoroughly enjoying doing this series and, as we've said, we already have six episodes in the can, so to speak, and much, much more coming, so it's awesome.

Speaker 1: 27:23

Nice. Yeah, it's doing great. We're going to keep asking where is Shelly? Yeah, soik, soik or Sok Sok, shout out from Sweden on the 50th episode. Thank you, hey, thanks for joining us. Danka, danka.

Speaker 2: 27:42

I don't know about that.

Speaker 1: 27:43

What do you mean?

Speaker 2: 27:44

Is that Swedish? Pretty sure, donka, I don't know about that what do you mean?

Speaker 1: 27:46

is that swedish, pretty sure? Pretty sure, it means thank you. Yeah, get my sweets, get in the chat and tell me donka is right. Come on, um, I I spent a quite a time in copenhagen on jean bonnigan. Well, I watched lots of. I know donka, you know.

Speaker 2: 28:00

I think donka is german because yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's what I was just about to say. So, jean, Bonnigan.

Speaker 1: 28:03

Well, I watched lots of. I know Donka, you know, I think Donka's German. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, that's what I was just about to say.

Speaker 2: 28:09

So I used to have to watch all the videos of students training on how to use the lie detector in Scientology, including in foreign languages. So, like the French one, was you say squeeze the can, squeeze the electric.

Speaker 1: 28:22

Yeah, I think talk, doc, or talk it's either. Doc, hold on, I have to go back in time. I'm pretty sure it's talk or tack, or talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. I think it's talk is thank you in sweden or denmark or something like I don't remember.

Speaker 2: 28:42

Oh, too many places, matt's cost somebody, kathy collins, says, donka is german, I knew it yeah, we've already established that.

Speaker 1: 28:51

I've already switched my position to talk um catone warrior says I just finished jenna muscovich hill's book. Touched to hear of your interactions with her, claire, do you have a strong or standout memory of her?

Speaker 2: 29:05

hugs and love I do, yeah, and and I know I actually read that book again newly jenna and I have always just been very close and I I just was not ever a fan of the uh at the a-hole approach in Scientology. I never did that well. I was called many nasty names because I was quote-unquote worker-oriented, but Jenna my outstanding memory with Jenna was when she was about 13 or 14. I was in training in Clearwater, Florida.

Speaker 1: 29:43

Remember the language I know, I know.

Speaker 2: 29:47

I know, when I was in Religious Technology Center and because I had connected with her where everyone else had just destroyed her trust, I was tasked with flying back with her to Los Angeles so that she could be told that her mother was being sent to the rehabilitation project force. And yeah, that was. That was tough. Anyway, jenna is a very sweet person and I love her so yeah. And I loved her book. It was great.

Speaker 1: 30:17

And if we ever finished the spy files that I have on me. Jenna and her husband have a whole folder of spy files too that I've seen. And they talk about this very thing of Claire having to bring her back and then her being essentially told you can't leave, you have to stay, and Dallas can't leave, he has to stay, and if one of you leave then you have to get divorced and the other can't leave with you.

Speaker 2: 30:43

It's a whole thing and still, in fact, my favorite story from Jenna was after she got out and she and Dallas, the first thing they did was came and had dinner with us. We went and had dinner with them and they told us the whole story about how. They told them you can be in touch with whatever suppressive people you want. You just can't talk to Mark and Claire. We're like platinum meritorious of suppressive people apparently.

Speaker 1: 31:13

Yeah, and that's in the spy files where they told them, got to brief them on who they can talk to and who they can't talk to, because there's a whole saga they're trying to leave, they're trying to leave, then they're not trying to leave, they're going to stay. Whole saga they're trying to leave, they're trying to leave, then they're not trying to leave, they're going to stay, and then they're trying to leave again, and then finally it's like they're both leaving and they don't give a shit about what anybody says they're leaving. And then it was like, okay, they got to get properly, uh, talked to and they got to sign papers, and they got to do all this and then she left and the first thing they did was talk to us and, and then she ended up writing a book and they were on I think I can't remember which show they were- on a few shows.

Speaker 2: 31:49

I think it was ABC or something, and then yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:52

Yeah, it's not a good look. It's an easy sell on a book or a TV show when your name is Muscavage and you escape from the Sea Orc, so that did not go well for them. Yep, that did savage and you escape from the sea orc, so that did not go well for them. Yeah, that did not go the way they wanted and jenna and her husband, dallas, are awesome and they they really reached a lot of people with that yep okay, here we go, cat and maggie.

Speaker 1: 32:16

Happy belated birthday mark from adequate centennial from adequate from adequate centennial coloradoate, Centennial Colorado.

Speaker 2: 32:24

She's playing on Denver Steel. Oh, they just say yeah, thank you, kat and Maggie. I appreciate it. Thank you for that. Thank you, kat and Maggie. You're just down the street from us, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 32:33

MLH in Hinrichs, ml Hinrichs from Vancouver Islands, canada, wearing my Xenu sweater. Oh yeah, if you guys have, if you guys have merch, take pictures and put it up on Twitter or Facebook. You can go. There's a whole bunch of groups on Facebook the. Is it the?

Speaker 2: 32:52

coffee cults.

Speaker 1: 32:54

No, yeah, I know, but what's the like? The aftermath group? Supporters of the aftermath.

Speaker 2: 32:59

Oh yeah, Supporters of yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:01

Yeah, we'll put a, we'll put a link in the description. But, yeah, share your pictures on there and uh, of your merch, if you got merch. I want, we want to get feedback on good merch and bad merch. We've we've only heard great things about everything, but uh, if anybody has any issues, let us know so we can get that resolved. Kathy ann says love the new where shelly episode with mike claire yay, thank you.

Speaker 1: 33:24

Yeah, so much great stuff coming, really good andrew humphrey says uh, mark, just finished your awesome book on audio. Well, thank you I appreciate that. Um, I read it myself. It was the first time I read my book. Um, the comfor mustache. Um, what was dm's reaction to heaven's gate? You know, I don't. I think, as heaven gate where heaven's gate?

Speaker 2: 33:48

the ones with the um, with the quarters, the hail bop, hopefully we were in media blackout yeah, it wasn't a lot of, I'm pretty sure it was not a lot of free-flowing information where we were at the time.

Speaker 1: 34:02

yeah, I want to say that's the guys that had the special shoes and they had quarters to get on the spaceship. And when the Hale-Bopp comet was coming around, their spaceship was in the tail of the comet. That's where it flew. And, yeah, scientologists are like that's crazy. It's like yeah, because you don't know about Xenu yet.

Speaker 2: 34:24

And unfortunately, when things like that happen, the mechanism in a Scientologist's mind gets them locked further in to what they're in. Oh see, yeah, we definitely don't want to leave. The world is crazy out there. There's so much bad stuff happening. See, there are a bunch of loonies.

Speaker 1: 34:43

That's true.

Speaker 2: 34:44

The holier than thou yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:46

We usually find out about the bad news. We don't find out a lot of good news.

Speaker 2: 34:50

Yeah, yeah. No, there's no like oh, look at this company where you can make $50 an hour and have a 401k and full insurance benefits and all that stuff. None of that is being promoted in the C organization. Insurance benefits and all that stuff none of that is being promoted in in the sea organization.

Speaker 1: 35:07

Right, osa, yeah, pamela crawford says claire needs a blue light in her background. Um, yeah, we can get you. We can get her a light.

Speaker 1: 35:13

We've got lights sitting around she wants when she can get one yeah, we're trying to get her a new computer so that we don't have this nonsense happening over there where she's like um, shannon graves. Oh, thank you, shannon. Um, hope you had a great birthday. Love the second episode this morning. It made my heart ache. Yes, shannon, thank you very much. Um, the these episodes that claire has coming are amazing, and you will find out, you're 100. There's stuff that's never been heard about shelly before. Um, because we're talking to every single person that knew her, that's willing to speak about scientology and um, claire has mounted around, has managed to round up a bunch of those people. So it's pretty awesome. And if you're out there and you knew Shelly, or you're related to her, or you used to work at the base and you haven't told anybody anything and now you don't care, give give us a shout out and we'll tell your story about Shelly.

Speaker 2: 36:19

Yeah, and I already have found people that I had left off my list, that have reached out to me since the series started. So my list is growing, which is great because we are going to explore. And again, yes, the where is Shelley is a punchline, but Shelley is a person. So we're exploring that and really using it to expose how Scientology has the authority, evidently under with the us government's blessing and the police blessing to disappear people and no questions are asked. So, yeah, that ain't okay with me.

Speaker 1: 36:50

I don't know about you, but I'm gonna keep asking yeah, awesome, okay, um, be even watching, or been watching, the shelly miscavige series. Love it. Do you think that shelllly could be sick, ie cancer, dementia et cetera? And could that be the reason DM hides her? That's certainly not out of the question. The last girl that was at the base that was kind of under wraps was a woman by the name of Annie Tidman. She used to be Annie Broker and it was her and her husband that Hubbard actually supposedly turned over Scientology to, and Pat Broker escaped and left and Annie also went at some point to meet up with him, and Marty Rathbun actually is the one who got her back to the property. She was blown and then they went and they recovered her. That's what they call it. When someone's blown. They say when you get them back, they've been recovered.

Speaker 2: 37:56

Yeah, but to be clear, she wasn't blowing to go be with Pat, she was blowing to go be with her next husband, jim Logan.

Speaker 1: 38:03

Yeah, oh, I thought, I thought I didn't know she, I thought she'd escaped more than once she, it was only that one time.

Speaker 2: 38:12

That I know of, I mean yeah, I don't remember all that I know the time that when Marty was going to get her back, though I do know for sure that that time she was going to be with Jim Okay.

Speaker 1: 38:25

Her other husband. Yep, okay, so yeah, her other husband.

Speaker 2: 38:29

Yep.

Speaker 1: 38:29

Okay, so yeah, but either way she did pass away of cancer and we just found out because somebody found the death certificate and that's another thing Two years after the fact. Yeah, if she does pass away, they would likely have a death certificate and there are lots of people that are constantly checking for those things in Riverside County, san Bernardino County, los Angeles County, the possible places that she has known to have been hidden.

Speaker 2: 39:00

Yeah, but the fact is is that we do not know for a fact where she is, where Scientology often sends people outside of the US to protect themselves if they think that somebody is going to try and escape or going to say something bad about them. And you know, hey, just throwing it out there. If there's any of Shelley's family who want to talk and help push this point home and make sure she's okay, because we do not know she is okay then reach out to me.

Speaker 1: 39:30

Okay, great Dave. Dave Wilhauer. Happy birthday, mark. I trust you had an awesome birthday.

Speaker 1: 39:38

Question Were you rooting for the Lakers or the Nuggets? Regardless, here's a small token of my appreciation for you and your bride. Thank you very much. I appreciate that I am a Nuggets fan. All right, thank you very much. I appreciate that I am a Nuggets fan. Never was a really big LA sports fan when we were there, because we weren't paying attention to sports were the place where we worked, and when I got out, I was having too much fun to be worried about anything with the sports stuff and I spent most of my free time jet skiing and partying. Jenigal got my BFG mug in red. Your personalized video message was amazing. People should just buy merch to get the thank you message. Thank you, jenigal. Yeah, the store that we have has an option where, when you buy something, we can thank you personally, and it has like a chat option or a video option or an audio, and you know what the hell? You guys know what we look like. We might as well do a video.

Speaker 2: 40:36

It's kind of fun. I know my kids see me doing it and they're like mom, you're such a spaz. I'm like come on, I'm engaging with the audience. Isn't that what you modern kids want?

Speaker 1: 40:52

audience. Yes, isn't that what you, you modern kids, want?

Speaker 2: 40:54

um I gotta grab this really quick. I sent you a pillow for your birthday. Thank you, oh my goodness look at this, guys.

Speaker 1: 40:59

This is a bunch of nonsense. It's a giant cracker pillow. I just opened this right before we did the live. Yeah, thank you, john. Anybody who can't see, I'll just cover up the mic and my camera. That's the.

Speaker 2: 41:15

Cracker Pillow. And, by the way, john, thank you so much for the personalized little bears. He sent us two little hugging bears with Claire on one ear and Mark on the other. It was so cute.

Speaker 1: 41:26

And then we got this from Marilyn. Oh yes, it's a potato potato. Hopefully the camera focuses there and you can see that.

Speaker 2: 41:32

Memories for days.

Speaker 1: 41:35

We should put a link to her store. We got so many things, we got little. I got bracelets that say basically and Mark.

Speaker 2: 41:44

Those were I think yeah, and I have one that says Claire, so thank you.

Speaker 1: 41:50

So thank you, john, I appreciate the uh.

Speaker 2: 41:53

I think we're from Rebecca, if I remember correctly, so thank you, and if I messed up the name I'm sorry, but thank you.

Speaker 1: 42:00

Awesome. Okay, joe, again, what does someone who has completed OTA and still believes look like? Can you create a profile of said Supreme being with love? Lol, I'll let you answer that one. I mean they look like normal people.

Speaker 2: 42:20

Yeah, well, the funny part is that do you remember that? So there's a film in Scientology called the Tone Scale Film, where they use actors to portray every single one of the tone levels in Scientology, all the way from the top, which is 40.0 serenity of beingness all the way down to zero body death, all the way down to minus 40, which is total failure. And do you remember that in the original version of the Tone Scale Film they used Wendell Reynolds to be the actor for Serenity of Beingness? He's been in Scientology for like what? Like 40 years, and he's a really creepy kind of guy. So he just puts on this face like with this small little kind of like smile with these glassy eyes, small little kind of like smile with these glassy eyes, you know honestly, it kind of reminds me of Aaron's description of.

Speaker 2: 43:19

Carol Masterson at the trial, maybe.

Speaker 1: 43:22

That she's trying to emulate this spooky like I don't know. Whatever. I think Wendell was one of the guys that was one of the original guys that was on the Apollo the Sea Org ship with L Ron Hubbard. Yeah, back in the 60s.

Speaker 2: 43:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 43:35

Yeah, joe, they just look like normal people and they, and some a lot of times the OTA, it's like we had a. We had about, I want to say, four or five people at the in base. That's also a good thing. Even at the base, there was four or five people out of a thousand, almost a thousand, that were at that level and they, they weren't, uh, they were not rock stars, not one single one of them. Well, actually, to be fair, one of them was a musician, but he wasn't a rock star.

Speaker 2: 44:07

Okay, and uh he was a musician, not yeah exactly.

Speaker 1: 44:12

yeah, he was not a rock star, but uh, he, he and his wife were, I think, maybe two of the worst possible examples of somebody who had been at that level and you would just be like what it was. The Scientology when it gets into those things, it's almost wholly a pay to play situation. So if you have money, you can be OTA. It's not a matter of how you can get to OTA. You have to not do a bunch of dumb stuff that's going to get you in trouble with Scientology and you have to have money and you have to be willing to part with a lot of money. It could cost $300,000 to a half a million dollars to get to OTA. So, depending on how you get there and how fast you do it, if you do it all at once and anyway, and the number of them that die shockingly and unexpectedly is alarming.

Speaker 1: 45:14

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:14

Like my, even when I was 12 or 13, we were, my siblings were going to a pediatric dentist in LA and he had just attained the state of OT8. And then they went for a checkup and then a week later my mom's like, oh yeah, their dentist died. I was like what? Oh yeah, he was going for a run and he hit his head and he just passed away. I'm like holy moly.

Speaker 1: 45:38

There are a lot of Scientologists that pass away from cancer. That is a very, very prominent. It seems like the number of people that I hear that pass away and the number of people that I hear that passed away in Scientology, I want to say like 90% of them pass away from cancer and I I don't know if that has something to do with all that niacin or the sort of I'm not sure why it seems they have such a high cancer rate, but it might be. Somebody should figure that out and maybe find out if you take 50,000 milligrams of niacin every single day, for months and months and months.

Speaker 2: 46:20

Yeah, well, also too. The tendency is, if you get sick, then you just go, oh, I'm a potential trouble source and I need to go get handled. Whereas in the real world people go, oh I'm sick, I'll go see a doctor, and if it doesn't go away, then the doctor is going to keep looking until they find what's actually going on. And in Scientology the mechanism is to be like oh yeah, I figured out who I was connected to. That was being evil or saying bad things about Scientology. Okay, I disconnected. Okay, Right, I feel amazing. Yay, I'm good to go. Now I don't have to keep spending money on it.

Speaker 1: 46:55

Yeah, the whole. The whole focus when you have an illness is on the Scientology aspect, not the body, the physical aspect.

Speaker 2: 47:05

Yeah, and they believe that if, if for any reason it doesn't work like if you don't quote unquote, get better then it's because you have committed crimes and you have evil purposes and yeah that's a whole other thing. You're just going to have to keep spending more and more and more and more money. So best to just shut up and say oh, you know what I feel better shut up and say, oh, you know what I feel better.

Speaker 1: 47:32

Well, yeah, but I just realize they think that when they don't get better they need to keep confessing or they need to keep disconnecting or whatever, and that whole time they're not at the doctor getting fixed what's really wrong. And it's crazy anyway, and also a lot of by the time they do get around like I'm not getting better, I really need to go to the doctor. Stage five or stage four or you know, oh, it's throughout your whole body or it's in all your organs or, and you're just like, oh, maybe if I would have gone to the doctor five years ago when I started feeling bad, anyway, yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:09

Apostate Alex says happy birthday, mark, you sure do make a nifty 50. Keep up the good work, you two, inspiring me every day. Much love. C-o-a-o-s-p-t-v-u-k.

Speaker 2: 48:20

Nice.

Speaker 1: 48:20

That's funny.

Speaker 2: 48:22

Thank you, Apostate Alex. That basically means he's the CEO of the advanced SPTV in UK.

Speaker 1: 48:26

Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2: 48:27

SPTV in UK.

Speaker 1: 48:28

Yeah, and you know who the COAOCC UK is.

Speaker 2: 48:33

Who.

Speaker 1: 48:34

It's Kelly Compter.

Speaker 2: 48:35

Oh yeah, of course, Of course, oh duh or she, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 48:40

Yeah, she's got to be, yeah, because she's an artist. Yeah, obie O'Brien, heard you LOL'd the Shush 2D.

Speaker 1: 48:54

Oh yeah, I think on one of the stores there's a shh. It's on Aaron's store. On Aaron's store there is a shush solo 2d assist in progress. In Scientology when you're in the middle of a session or you're, if you do an assist on somebody, a touch assist or any kind of these assists that Hubbard wrote about. It's all just a bunch of number jumbo. It's basically back rubs, essentially very light back rubs and heavier back, medium back rubs, but you put a sign on the door and you say shh, session in progress. So there's a funny, there's funny merch over there. Hi, sptv finding cloud. Another live. Happy belated birthday, mark. Love you much, claire and the amazing Goldie to the Jane Does. We love and believe you. Yes, we all are thanking Goldie and everybody and it's awesome. Thank you very much for that.

Speaker 2: 49:41

Jane, yes, thank you.

Speaker 1: 49:42

Lafonda Grocklinger Saw the first two episodes of your Shelley series.

Speaker 2: 49:53

Claire the first two episodes of your shelly series. Claire, you are an amazing interview and I love watching your content.

Speaker 1: 49:54

Spy files are great too, mark, thank you. Thank you, lethonda, we appreciate seeing you here. I had to start putting out the spy files because claire essentially took over the whole channel, her.

Speaker 2: 50:00

Her videos are just like, just like just slaying it.

Speaker 1: 50:05

She's getting a lot of views on these videos, which is great, means more people are finding out about this craziness. Jackie says perhaps Goldie, I with all her, I, perhaps Goldie with all her spare time can set me straight. I thought I'd sent 10. My name Jackie, from Wagyu World, hawaii, addicted to SPTV. You make me cry and laugh. Oh, maybe there's some other.

Speaker 2: 50:26

Oh, this is Jackie. I think this is the same jackie that sent me a video. She I well, jackie, if you're not the same jackie, but I got a video from a jackie in hawaii yeah it's a 62 year old that built a skate park in her backyard and she skates and she is amazing cool yeah okay, we'll have to check it out.

Speaker 1: 50:50

Red Lane says uh, been, oh, I saw, that, did I? Did? We say that, yeah, we said that one, yes, that's the one. Could she be sick? Yeah, she could certainly be sick. And then we talked about Annie. Okay, um lost scrapbook book says can you describe Miscavige at his most charming?

Speaker 2: 51:13

at his most charming gosh. Was there ever a time when I thought he was charming? I mean, he puts on a charming side for tom cruise, no question about that.

Speaker 1: 51:16

Yeah, that's true. When him and tom are together, it is like it's like seriously, no, I love you bro. No, I love you bro. No, I love you bro. You're awesome bro. That's literally yeah.

Speaker 2: 51:30

I mean, how weird is it? We've talked about the whole the building that was built at the property, the $40 million building for Religious Technology Center, and David Miscavige and his staff were moved into his offices, but no one else from Religious Technology Center was allowed to move in. But when Tom Cruise came to the property he was up there using those offices right next to Dave.

Speaker 1: 51:57

That's true.

Speaker 2: 51:58

That's right With Tommy Davis.

Speaker 1: 52:00

That's true. I forgot all about that.

Speaker 2: 52:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:03

Not even the RTC staff could go in the building. But Tom Cruise yeah, absolutely man. Yep, hey, mark. Captain Bill says hey, mark, happy birthday the building. But Tom Cruise yeah, absolutely man. Yep, hey, mark. Captain bill says hey, mark, happy birthday. You may be 50, but you can still inspect my pancakes any day. That is a joke about pancakes. Thank you, jefferson Hawkins. Hey, hadley's mark happy birthday, youngster. Yeah, jeff is, jeff, is is in here. Thank you for that, jeff.

Speaker 2: 52:27

Yes, thanks for joining us, Jeff. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 52:30

Jeff's only a couple years older than me?

Speaker 2: 52:32

I think Not that much, he's a spring chicken.

Speaker 1: 52:35

Mer P Question Can you think of a name for Mark Fisher's subs?

Speaker 2: 52:40

I suggested the Grady Bunch for Janet, I marked this because I was like, what about the Fishermen?

Speaker 1: 52:46

The Fishers and the Grady Bunch. I don about the fishermen the fishers and the grady bunch. Um, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 52:54

You guys have to come up with could be fishermen that's, yeah, that's, so that's not cool okay, well it's gotta be and also the fans are supposed to think of it.

Speaker 1: 53:01

We're not okay. You can't other channels, don't name other channels. They gotta, they gotta, they gotta find videos. They have to find. I watch their videos. They have to find themselves.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Okay, they have to self-identify.

Speaker 1: 53:12

Obi O'Brien says oh, and I ordered a mug, yay, awesome, thank you, obi.

Speaker 2: 53:17

Nice.

Speaker 1: 53:18

Tarkina Myers says love the new series. Claire Mark just finished Mark's book, now reading Amy's. My hubs loves the big size shirts. He is 6'6 and a former athlete so the roomie sizes are awesome. Yes, you know, that's this third person. It's told me that they're they like them and that they're kind of they. You know the fits are all good and they're comfy and all that good stuff. So yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:43

Marilyn says mark, hope you had a very happy birthday, claire, I'm taking a break from Z news tonight to work on a claire doll by popular demand. That's a tall order. Hope I can do you justice.

Speaker 2: 53:54

Oh my goodness wow, marilyn, you're so creative, I'm gonna love whatever you see. Sorry to put a bump in your z new outfits, but that's, that's amazing what's the facebook group Colts coffee Colts and craft lovers.

Speaker 1: 54:11

I think crafting or crafters and um they have um, there's so many people in there, it's a it's a lot. There's a lot of a lot of people knitting while they're watching these are, or crocheting or doing um, what are those blankets? Like patchwork blankets, and oh, I've seen so many cool things on there. Rapids 444 says if you have too many crackers, maybe donate to pantry. Yeah no, the crackers will get eaten. I have three boys. They will burn through any crackers. That's not the problem.

Speaker 2: 54:46

And then Max is also a pantry surfer, our dog and a counter surfer. So anything that gets left out, he just like sneaks it out to the backyard and then munches it on there out there, Cause he's on a diet. So he he figures out ways to bend the rules. Shall we say.

Speaker 1: 55:04

Yep. Kate Ashley says hey, mark and Claire, people were trying to blow the church when lrh was in. Were people trying to blow the church when lrh was in charge, or did it get worse when miscavige took off? Oh no, um, hubbard is absolutely. What's that?

Speaker 1: 55:21

people were definitely escaping oh yeah center when hubbard was there it was all all the way, you know, people escaping and recovering them and all these things that that was all happening when LRH was around. And L Ron Hubbard is the one who said we always leave the door open for someone who leaves Scientology. We always leave the door open for them if they want to come back. There's always ways to get back into Scientology. And Hubbard was the one who wrote but if you leave from the international headquarters that said Golden Air Productions, or that Gilman Hot Springs or any of these secret, confidential locations, if you leave from one of those, we we weld the door shut with an atomic branding iron. So he was not a fan of people escaping.

Speaker 2: 56:09

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 56:10

And I think I really do honestly think that Scientology has gotten worse since Miscavige took over. But most of the hardcore things that are screwed up, those were going on when Hubbard was there. Miscavige just takes great, great pleasure in punishing people and inflicting emotional and physical pain on people and so because he has such a passion for it, I think it's gotten worse. And Hubbard had kind of not been able to run Scientology directly and have his hands in everything, so he was just getting reports on things and at the time David Miscavige was being an enforcer and getting rid of people and declaring people and so he was getting into the groove when Hubbard was still around and by the time Hubbard passed he had already he, you know, he had a taste for it. So he just kept. He kept the show going.

Speaker 2: 57:08

So Miscavige, figured out how to take the evilest parts of Hubbard policy and refine them to a fine art to exact suffering on people.

Speaker 1: 57:20

Yeah, he's good. His David Miscavige's talent is figuring out a really, really horrible like just brutal punishment for somebody and then figuring out a way to say how that was Hubbard's idea and this is the policy that it's from. That was his.

Speaker 2: 57:40

X-Man superpower. Yeah, like the Hubbard policy says, make the punishment too gruesome to be faced and enforce them. Well, Miscavige took that to things that only an evil, maniacal psychopath could dream up.

Speaker 1: 58:00

Yeah, Thanks for that question, Kate Shea Anderson. Small contribution to the legal fund. Would BFG consider using a pride version of the SP logo a few times during the month of June? Sent one a week ago. Oh, we can check that out. I have to look. I have to see it. Like I said, my my email, I have to dig through my emails. Thanks for that, Shay.

Speaker 2: 58:19

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 58:20

Joyce Gray. Cracker Slacker saw it in the chat. Cracker Slacker, saw it in the chat. Cracker Slackers. Jean Bloomfield, I was thinking of sending you those little mug with the tail and crackers. I guess not A little mug with the tail and crackers. You don't have to send me the crackers, but you can send me a mug. But yeah, no, it's all good. I mean, I'm literally guys I have been sent, I'm going to say 30 or 40, either packages of crackers or cookies.

Speaker 2: 58:56

Here's some more examples.

Speaker 1: 58:58

We've got chocolates.

Speaker 2: 59:01

These are from England. Thank you, Luis.

Speaker 1: 59:05

We've been sent so many crackers and I hate to waste and that's the problem. It's not that I have a ton left, it's that I ate all the ones that people sent the BTL run warned you about. Please make V-neck teas for women. Oh, write that down, claire V-neck teas.

Speaker 2: 59:27

We do have a V-neck of the Zeno is my own boy, it says ladies tea, but it is a V-neck.

Speaker 1: 59:33

Yeah, but we can add some more.

Speaker 2: 59:34

I like V-necks too.

Speaker 1: 59:36

You could make other ones.

Speaker 2: 59:36

Oh and, by the way, give a shout out to Paul State Alex. I just saw he's in the chat.

Speaker 1: 59:41

Yeah, and you know I'm a horrible person. I just realized that we have some people that sent giveaways. They went to the store. There's a thing you can do on the BFG store where you can say I want a gift, give this as a gift, and you have to make a note of that, or just a donation, and in the note you can say I want this for a giveaway. And didn't we get two people, two or three people that wrote in for saying for giveaways?

Speaker 2: 1:00:07

We did yes.

Speaker 1: 1:00:10

So, or three people that wrote in for saying for giveaways, yes, yeah, so it's been an hour, so we might as well just spin the wheel. So if somebody wants to do this, we'll give away two things. So we're going to pick two people. I'll pick somebody and then Claire will pick somebody, and then we'll do the two giveaways right now. Or if you want to do another giveaway in a half hour, by that time we should be done with all the questions.

Speaker 2: 1:00:25

We do still have a bobblehead to give away too.

Speaker 1: 1:00:28

So we have three, yep, okay. So we'll do two now and we'll do one when we're done with all the questions at the end.

Speaker 2: 1:00:34

So if you want to blow up the chat, and by blow up the chat we mean enter a name five to 10 times. No more than 10,.

Speaker 1: 1:00:43

Please, you don't have to do a hundred in a row, not 30 or 40. Otherwise Goldie will fire us. Yeah, goldie's like what? Um okay, okay, we're gonna do one.

Speaker 2: 1:00:56

Hopefully it's a good one um I'm going, and what are you giving away this time?

Speaker 1: 1:01:00

um well, whatever they want, so we'll do it that way, because some people want um, oh, sorry, I'm spinning, it's just going so fast. I'm trying to pick one and it's just oh, my God, it does. I see what's happening. It's like 1900 people. It seems like all of them are in here at the same time.

Speaker 2: 1:01:21

Nice. Well, that's what we want.

Speaker 1: 1:01:22

Here we go. I know I'm going to do one, I'm going to do one. And Tracy McCoy, please little mic for me, thanks, okay, there's a bobblehead.

Speaker 2: 1:01:33

You want to pick the next one? Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:01:36

Okay, we're going to do another one, guys, so keep it going, keep it going.

Speaker 2: 1:01:40

If my so full disclosure. I had to get a new computer. I haven't installed it yet, but my computer is so choking up that you might have to pick all of them. Oh, okay, because I don't see any of the new comments.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

Ready.

Speaker 2: 1:01:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:01:53

I'm going to spin, I'm going to spin, I'm going to spin. And Japan of Green Gables? Oh wow, frequent Flyer Nice.

Speaker 2: 1:02:03

That's amazing.

Speaker 1: 1:02:04

Thank you, she got it. Sorry, guys, I mean I just spin the wheel. It's the only thing I can do.

Speaker 2: 1:02:09

So Japan of Green Gables. I think you're saying you'd like a book, but either way, email me, claire, at blownforgoodcom, and same for you, tracy McCoy, with your address and what it is that you won, and I will get those out to you tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2: 1:02:24

Awesome, yeah, yeah, with this new store we can just send you a link for merch, so yeah, so the next giveaway can be merch, and in that case you just go to the store, figure out what it is that you want, email us the link to what you want and we send you back a giveaway link.

Speaker 1: 1:02:43

It's pretty awesome, it's very cool. Yeah, okay, liam says it seems the church really tried to end your marriage and you didn't let it. How do you think you found the strength to persist when others can't?

Speaker 2: 1:02:55

Yeah, they really did, I mean we haven't even one day we'll do an episode, because all the times they tried. I mean actually, I think David Miscavige the first time he tried was when we'd been married for like three months, remember at New Year's, and he was like we went over to him at the Biltmore.

Speaker 1: 1:03:13

Is he your sister?

Speaker 2: 1:03:15

Oh, are you brother and sister or husband and wife. It's like well, what the heck?

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Yeah, that's true, you're right, it was at the Biltmore the first year we were married, because got married in august and this was in december yeah, that's true, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, and then the time that he called me over and said uh, at midnight I was walking home yeah, I was 19.

Speaker 2: 1:03:41

We'd been married for a year and a half. You were in denmark that's right and he pulls me and and I'm walking home to the bus like midnight and he's with his whole entourage and at that point he was like where's Mark, sir? He's in Denmark. Do you hear? He's boinking other women over there? No, sir, I didn't hear that. I'm like what do you say to that Really? And then I remember that I quickly like had to write to get approval to call you like mark. What the heck's going on?

Speaker 1: 1:04:14

yeah I was like nothing. I was like nothing. It's like that state farm commercial yeah nothing, yeah, now I'm working.

Speaker 2: 1:04:27

She said you're doing, oh my God, but yeah, we have probably 20 stories like this, like 20 stories Anyway, yeah, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:04:36

And Burrow says question Did you know any other Australians at the base other than Mike loving the Shelly series? Claire, claire bears forever. Yeah, there was a ton of people there was. There was a guy named Paul Schoble, we call him Schobes.

Speaker 2: 1:04:52

He's the guy that married us.

Speaker 1: 1:04:53

Yeah, he's the guy. He was the Scientology minister that married us. There was a lot of Australians there. Actually. There was a lot of people from Australia, new Zealand, uk. There was a lot of. I mean, to be honest, americans were probably the minority at that property If you get in Scientology. That's another funny thing in Scientology. In Scientology they have US and non-US. That's how they refer everything outside of the US, they just refer to it as non-US. So they're very arrogant, very arrogant about the USs, us and non-us. And that's actually on their promo, like if you order something and you say, oh, I'm from us or non-us, and that's how the statistics are organized and there's a lot of things that are organized by us and non-us.

Speaker 1: 1:05:49

Yeah, but so weird but the but at the int base, because there was a lot of things that are organized by us and non-us, yeah, but um, so weird, but the but at the int base because there was a lot of translations that were appearing. Uh, uh, happening there in terms of recording um, mixing, producing um, type setting, designing um, all these different things that have to be produced in all these languages. You you could have, uh, you could have 10 or 15 people, uh, from France and another 10 or 15 people from Spain, and you have all these different and you have uh, spanish, castilian Spanish, and then you have, uh, you know, spanish, spanish, I don't know what you call the other Spanish Um, but they had a Castilian, the Cuthelian, the Spanish, um, and then um, yeah. So if you were, if you were, an American, you were sort of you were like a rare breed up at that joint Um. So, yeah, thank you. Uh, definitely Australians, uh, next question Andy, fabulous, saw the show yesterday. Oh, took a little second there.

Speaker 1: 1:06:48

Um, saw the show yesterday. Did Claire know you saw Shelly in a sheer teddy before this and did you sleep on the sofa last night? Also, don't the OT8s know there's no other OT levels that have been played and have been played? You would hope the OT8s know by now that there's no OT9 and 10.

Speaker 2: 1:07:10

And I think that's why there is such a large percentage of ot8s that get up and leave and yeah, you know they know, but yeah, what's going on? So. So to answer your question on the first part, this, this story about shelly in the sheer teddy is in mark's book and that's where I first heard the story. He didn't tell me about it when it happened, but no, no, I mean, I wasn't. Shelly is also. Well, let's see, she's almost 20 years older than you.

Speaker 1: 1:07:38

No, she's 12 years older than me. No.

Speaker 2: 1:07:41

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right Sorry. Yeah, I know I've been keeping track Anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:07:46

Yeah, I know I've been keeping track Anyway. Yeah, no, it's all good. 12 years, by the way, 12 years when you get up into your fifties. 12 years, not that much Come on God, shut up.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

No, the truth is that Mark knows exactly where I stand on these things, so he knows Also.

Speaker 1: 1:08:03

You know also, this happened 25 years ago and I didn't do anything. I'm just sorry. No happened 25 years ago and I didn't do anything. I just saw her and it wasn't. I didn't do any and also I didn't even think do anything to see that she showed up like that and I was scheduled to be there. I was scheduled to do work there at that time.

Speaker 2: 1:08:21

The fact that she's dressed in a sheer nightie, that's that's on her not me, and the fact is, had you even told me that I would have written a report on you. So you know, yeah, that wasn't.

Speaker 1: 1:08:31

Yeah, I'm smart enough. I know she'd rat me out at the drop of a hat, so I didn't share all the details, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:08:38

Yeah, tlms are Sea Org years of service, similar to dog years. One year it takes four years out of your enjoyable life. You know what? I did the math on this once. Tlm and a Sea Org year is equal to three normal years, just so you know. So if I worked at a job and I did 40 hours a week, the 15 years that I spent in the Sea Org was equal to 15 years of Sea Org life, was 45 years of a regular job. So I had many careers in the Sea Org and each one of them could have been a full life career in the regular world and I did three of those, three of those worth just an hours working.

Speaker 2: 1:09:28

And three is conservative. That's just based on the issued schedule. It doesn't factor. Yeah, all-nighters that we did, yeah those are.

Speaker 1: 1:09:36

Those are three, uh three x hard years too.

Speaker 2: 1:09:41

Those are not loafing through years oh, and let's give a shout out to clara. I just saw she's in the comments. She does does amazing work for us, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:09:50

Thank you, clara. Annette Baum says thanks for all you do. Thank you, annette. We appreciate all the support we can get.

Speaker 2: 1:09:56

Yes, thank you?

Speaker 1: 1:09:57

Rue says how do young Sea Org members find places to date? Watch a movie, cuddle, cook dinner for another.

Speaker 2: 1:10:06

No, that's so. None of that takes root in the sea organization yeah, there's uh, there's none of that, none of that there isn't.

Speaker 1: 1:10:17

You know, it depends on what sea org base you're at, um, but some sea org bases, like I, found out that these guys in la, these slackers in la, they go to the movies on the weekends and stuff, and so if you were in los angeles, what?

Speaker 2: 1:10:34

they used to call the the la org no, if you've got impact or something like that well, there's two things.

Speaker 1: 1:10:41

If you got busted from the base and after they canceled the, the religious tech, religious, no, the rehabilitation project force at the end base, then you, if you got assigned to the rpf, you had to go to los angeles, which was called the pacific area command or pack. And um, if you went to the rpf, then somebody would say, oh, it looks like you're going to be black and pack, because the rpfers wear wearing all these black clothes, and they wore black shorts and black t-shirts and a black belt and black socks and black shoes and black armbands. And so if you were going to be black and packed, that meant you were going to the RPF.

Speaker 2: 1:11:24

You just reminded me of something the other day. So the part about the Rehabilitation Project for us that was so grimy and icky is that if you were on the rehabilitation project force and you were doing well and you had earned a gold armband, then you earned the right to sleep in a room with your spouse one time a week. And I saw this room for the first time when I was in PAC, when I was a religious technology center person, and it was a room with a mattress in it. It was like no sheets, no, nothing. It was one of the most grimy, gross, disgusting things I've ever seen in my life and I felt really bad.

Speaker 1: 1:12:13

It is.

Speaker 2: 1:12:14

It's dehumanizing like not quite like anything I've ever seen.

Speaker 1: 1:12:19

Yeah, like it wasn't a room that was your room. No, it was the room for the thousands of Sea Org members. I think there was a time I want to say there was several hundred people on the RPF in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1: 1:12:36

There were several hundred people on the RPF in Los Angeles In the late 90s or the early 2000s, I can't remember, but it was like a workforce Like the PAC. Rpf was bigger than most other Sea Org organizations. That's how many people were on that rehabilitation project for us. They would build all the sets for the events, they do all the renovations at the buildings, they would do all the weeding on the street and dig up the pavers and they did everything. And, yeah, they had. Well, there might have been multiple rooms that were like these conjugal visit rooms.

Speaker 2: 1:13:19

I only saw one in.

Speaker 1: 1:13:21

LA. Well, I never saw this room. It sounds disgusting, so let's not talk about that anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

Yeah, I know. So two hours the other day I've been going through memories of stuff from working on my book and that memory came up and I was like that was absolutely awful.

Speaker 1: 1:13:42

Yeah, so to answer your question, Rue none of that you can't cook dinner, you can't cuddle, even really if you're not married. Maybe going to a movie, if every, if your organization that you were in and the person that you want to hook up with if their organization got to go to a movie, then possibly you could go to the movie together and you can hold hands in the theater or something without anybody seeing.

Speaker 2: 1:14:06

And we we talked about that on about us, that we went the our first quote unquote date was riding riding in a bus to LA and back to a Scientology event, sitting next to each other. You know, with 50 other staff.

Speaker 1: 1:14:23

So yeah, there was. There's not a lot of undercover. Uh, nonsense gonna go on. People are gonna know. Uh, calico 26, is it possible to make sweatshirts without hoods? I can't wear hoodies at work. Yeah, there's a ton of sweatshirts in there. There is a Hale Zinu crew neck sweatshirt. There is a crew neck long sleeve. But yeah, we can make some more sweatshirts. Your wish is our command, calico 26.

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

Okay, we hit 2,000. Yay, Thanks for joining us everybody discount.

Speaker 1: 1:14:59

Does the store use the discount code love?

Speaker 2: 1:15:03

no, it doesn't no but don't we have a don't, we have a no, that was only for the first weekend no, but there's another one that was set up for no, I got. I know that when somebody got in there and used it, I didn't even tell anybody about oh, I did you did yeah, because I felt bad, because they just missed the other debt, the other cut off oh, so you gave them another. Yeah, I went in there and I saw it was live and I was like, oh, use this one I saw that.

Speaker 1: 1:15:31

I was like how did somebody find out um? Ron says so much respect for you both. What do your kids think about having SPTV celebrity parents? They think we're spazzes, just like Claire just said.

Speaker 2: 1:15:44

Yeah but they, they have said sometimes they watch these lives and they're like, yeah, makes a lot of things make sense and fills in holes for them, and you know, anyway, they're they're age appropriate to what?

Speaker 1: 1:15:58

we tell them Pamela Crawford, what is a Scientology marriage ceremony like? I'll let you answer that one.

Speaker 2: 1:16:11

So there's a few different ones. Minister, holds up two rings and you have to create an image of the ARC triangle in Scientology, which is the affinity, the feeling of love or liking for someone, reality, things you can relate to and agree upon, and communication, your ability to talk to somebody. So ARC triangle is a concept in Scientology by L Ron Hubbard, so you have to envision the ARC triangle in the rings and it's just a bunch of nonsense really. There's nothing religious about Scientology in my experience, and most of this was just generated for background scenery after the IRS tax exemption.

Speaker 1: 1:16:52

Yep, they just wanted to get tax exemption. So they have all these religious ceremonies and it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo made to. It was good enough for the IRS. How about that?

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

Yeah, but Mark and I were actually married by Paul Schoble that we talked about earlier at the Celebrity Center on Hollywood Boulevard.

Speaker 1: 1:17:14

No, it's on Franklin, whatever In Hollywood, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:17:16

Okay, hollywood In Hollywood, and then we Hollywood In Hollywood, and then we went back to work the next day. So, yeah, super fun Woo-hoo.

Speaker 1: 1:17:25

Apostate Alex says shameless plug. If I hit 5K subscribers this month, I pledge to donate to the After Wrath Foundation. A bunch of viewers have matched it, so the total is now 1.5K raised. Wow.

Speaker 2: 1:17:39

Awesome, amazing. Yeah, everyone get over to Apostate Alex when we're done here and subscribe.

Speaker 1: 1:17:45

Yeah, and if you haven't subscribed here, subscribe here. Oh, we're up to 2,000 people watching live Nice. If you guys are watching and you haven't subscribed, hit the subscribe button. Then you can find out when we do these and also you can get notified when we do Shelly videos and spy files and all kinds of good stuff. Thank you for that, apostate, alex. We'll put a link in the description to a bison 5360 just signed in wifi. Not good in the country. I just drove five and a half hours. Did I miss anything, mark? Like a giveaway. Ha, ha, ha, oh it's bison 5360.

Speaker 2: 1:18:26

Yeah, see, this person won no, but I told her don't listen to Mark.

Speaker 1: 1:18:28

He has no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 2: 1:18:29

I know I'm. I stick the labels on the boxes for crying out loud. I'm paying attention.

Speaker 1: 1:18:34

This is so weird. Another person did a super chat how important our chiropractors to Scientology. That's not the one we answered earlier. So 86 GOP. Sorry, but we answered this question earlier and because somebody else asked it. But we got it. We're good we did it. Yeah, we covered it.

Speaker 2: 1:18:52

So if you just hit rewind and they have lots of money, there you go. That's the short version.

Speaker 1: 1:18:56

Amanda Campbell. Tiffany Haddish said when she was kicked out of the org for throwing a fit about sleeping in a bunk bed Is this really possible? Wouldn't she just be punished? No, she she. Basically. They told her this is a great question, amanda, and we got to find this video. We'll put a link to it. I've linked to it before, so I know it exists.

Speaker 1: 1:19:19

But there's a comedian, very funny comedian, named Tiffany Haddish, and when she was in Los Angeles she was broke, she was living out of her car, she joined Scientology, so she'd have a place to sleep and get you know, three hots and a cot. And when she went to the Sea Org birthing, who were this room with all these bunk beds in it, and she was like, oh hell, no, and that was it, that she didn't even make it one day, she was just like I'm out. Just when they told her where she was gonna sleep, it is that the Sea Org birthing, or where the Sea Org members live, where they sleep at night, because you're really you're not there during the day. The only time that you go to where your birthing is is to sleep. So or to change, like if you have to change from one type of uniform to civilian clothes or if you take one type of uniform to change into a special uniform for some sort of event or ceremony. That's the only time you go to your birthing and usually if you're single in almost all cases, unless you're a very high executive if you're single you live in a dorm and the the building that the main Sea Org birthing in.

Speaker 1: 1:20:39

This is the case in Los Angeles. It varies from different Sea Org bases around the world and around the United States, but the Sea Org base in Los Angeles used to be a hospital, used to be Cedars-Sinai Hospital, and so the dorms are in these big giant rooms that used to be where you would have several patients or like uh uh, people that are being treated, or operating rooms or whatever, these big giant rooms and you could fit 40 or 50 people in one of these with bunk beds, and some of the bunk beds are stacked three high, so you have a bottom bunk, a middle bunk and a top bunk and that top guy is hitting.

Speaker 2: 1:21:22

Yeah, I don't think it was some, it was. All. Of them were three high at least when I was there.

Speaker 1: 1:21:27

Well, in the later years they made some private type of rooms for couples. If you were in a higher organization or if you were coming from where we worked and you were just staying in Los Angeles, they made special rooms just for us and those rooms had like double stack bunk beds. They didn't have triple stacks in the nice places and that's the even crazier thing you could still be in a room with 10 dudes, just only double high. Cause you're such a privileged Sea Org member you only have double bunk beds. Not that, not that triple bunk bed stuff. The animals are sleeping.

Speaker 2: 1:22:08

You just reminded me of the funny one of the times I laughed so hard. So when the famous thing happened where I sent you your rings, you said I can't, you're going to make me be looking at hairy asses for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1: 1:22:22

Yeah, so if you're married, then you just get your own room with your spouse and so you have your bed and your dresser and then you know your closet. If you have a closet, you have a closet, some sub birthing. They just have like one of those temporary hang up racks and that's where your clothes are, because you don't have most Seahawk members don't have that many clothes, like when, when I left, I took a small suitcase with me and it was wasn't even really heavily packed. I didn't have much clothes to speak of.

Speaker 1: 1:22:56

Ok, we are answering these way too long. We have eight minutes till our next giveaway. Okay, stacey Y says all the SPs say hi to OSA. Excuse me, it is a problem that more and more channels are starting and are growing membership faster than yeah is. Oh, sorry, is it a problem? Sorry, I just had an air bubble. Is it a problem that more and more channels are starting and are growing membership faster than Church of Scientology? You can learn, osa, keep watching. Yeah, this channel that you're watching right now has more subscribers than there are Scientologists, and that is a fact. Okay, and that is a fact Okay. And even that figure is a high figure for Scientology, that they have that many members, because we're talking to maybe five or 10% of those members and the stories that they're telling us is that people are leaving in droves.

Speaker 2: 1:23:50

Yeah, and, by the way, stacey, thank you so much for being the encourager of all things SPTV network related. Stacey has been buying and donating bobbleheads and bracelets for all new SPTV members, so that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 1:24:08

Yeah, we're sending bobbleheads and bracelets. If you are a Scientologist or you're an ex-int based staff member and you do an interview with Claire, you're getting a bobblehead or you're getting a bracelet because you're doing, you're on SPTV. That's what we do, that's how we roll over here at SPTV.

Speaker 2: 1:24:27

So, and if you start a channel and I forgot and let me know.

Speaker 1: 1:24:32

Yes, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:24:33

I think I'm good but yeah, you should. I'm far from perfect.

Speaker 1: 1:24:40

But yeah, so we have been sending out a lot of bobbleheads and a lot of bracelets to a lot of people. Thank you for that comment there, stacey, andy, fabulous, I know, claire and Mark, you crack me up and I love you both. Well, thank you, thank you, Andy Fabulous.

Speaker 1: 1:25:00

Brett Grace, do they let non Scientologists stay at Celebrity Center's hotel or the hotel in Clearwater? Are they only for Scientologists or would they want the opportunity to try and bring you in? You know, I know they used to let you stay in the manor if you weren't a Scientologist and they used to let you stay at the Fort Harrison if you weren't a Scientologist. But I don't think it's that way anymore. I think yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:25:27

I think they're clamped down on a bunch of things at Celebrity Center right.

Speaker 1: 1:25:31

Yeah, they use Celebrity Center as a location all the time. Even one of the guys center as a location all the time. Even one of the guys um, it was funny because uh, jason Begay's on this TV show, uh, chicago PD, and I went and hung out with him for the day and was messing around on the set with him and stuff like that and one of the guys in the show his name is um Patrick. He was in a show before Chicago PD and he got married in the exact same place we did at CC, at Celebrity Center. In the show that he was on, he got married literally exactly where we got married, where the fountain is, and all that at Celebrity Center. But yes, they do shoot things there, but I don't think.

Speaker 1: 1:26:16

And you can definitely go and eat at the restaurant at Celebrity Center. But yes, they do shoot things there, but I don't think. And you can definitely go and eat at the restaurant at the Celebrity Center if you're not a Scientologist and people have, and most of the time they say it's pretty creepy and the food's I guess the food's okay, I don't know. I've never. I don't think I've ever eaten at that restaurant, besides when we had our wedding. Yeah, I ate. I've ever eaten at that restaurant, besides when we had our wedding.

Speaker 1: 1:26:39

Yeah, I ate there once when um when you were in RTC, when I was in religious technology. Yeah, see, when you're in, when you're in RTC, you get to eat wherever you want. Oh, because, yeah, thanks for that. Brett Seneca says Claire, you, amy, nora and Kelly or Vanessa need to do a weeklies lady night live chat. Weekly would be hilarious. That's not a bad idea.

Speaker 2: 1:27:06

That is not a bad idea.

Speaker 1: 1:27:07

No, we can just do a simulcast. Which is the gals?

Speaker 2: 1:27:12

Yeah, Well, that could be the. That could be the vision of women on Wednesdays there you go. Oh my goodness yeah, we'll do a live on wednesday night with just women, women okay, good scientology. I'll make a note same we'll see by wednesday I'll throw it out to the crowds and see what happens are you ready for this? Yep casey cassie, oh my god, literally're going to make me punch you, honey. After 30 years you're going to make me punch you.

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

Cassie Isaac. How old were you when you guys left? I'm sure I've heard this, but I can't think of it at the moment. Love you guys. I was 32, I think.

Speaker 2: 1:27:55

Yeah, and I had just turned 30.

Speaker 1: 1:27:58

Yeah, we, I escaped like three days.

Speaker 2: 1:28:02

Yeah, you so you escaped on January 4th.

Speaker 1: 1:28:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:28:07

Two days after my 30th birthday. Happy birthday, claire. See, ya, I wouldn't want to be ya.

Speaker 1: 1:28:12

I gave her a present before I left you didn't even talk to me. I gave you a present before I left. What you did, what present did you give me? How I gave her a present before I left. You didn't even talk to me.

Speaker 2: 1:28:19

I gave you a present before I left. What you did. What present did you give?

Speaker 1: 1:28:20

me how can Andy Fabulous says how can you say you'd report Mark Notice?

Speaker 2: 1:28:23

how he jumped off that question. Real quick, he's innocent man.

Speaker 1: 1:28:27

Yeah, how can you say you'd report Mark? Oh, she did. It's not a matter of she would she did, of she would she did. Thank you, andy. When I I can't remember what it. Oh, it was the motorcycle. It was when I crashed my motorcycle in the middle of the gas station and didn't even hurt the motorcycle or myself. Electric Boogaloo Question. Did they send people to the RPF just because they were in low on numbers in the workforce? Not really, that's quite the opposite.

Speaker 2: 1:28:59

Actually, there would be periods where they had so many people on the rehabilitation project force that they would get them off of that program to fill back up the staff positions.

Speaker 1: 1:29:10

Yeah, that's right, that's a good point. Whenever, like so every few years, when the statistics were bad, david miscavige would have a bright idea like oh, this is why things are messed up, and he would. In most, in most instances, he'd get rid of a ton of executives. So in in all over the world, not just in Los Angeles, if things were going bad in LA he'd do it in LA, but if it was going bad everywhere, he'd get rid of people everywhere. So let's just say, 30 executives went to the RPF but then he put in these new executives and most of the time the new executives were the imp base and they're used to how muscavige treats them. So when they'd go out to these continents then they would show the wrath of, you know, a seorg executive and they'd get rid of a ton of people and those people would go to the rpf.

Speaker 1: 1:30:13

So there's these waves where the rps would just get giant and then they become this workforce. So Claire is exactly right After a few of these, a few rounds of these and, by the way, the RPF could take you a year, it could take you 10 years. So there was a guy that my friend, his dad, was on the RPF for 10 years he didn't see his dad and his dad was on the rpf. I think maybe he saw him once a year, maybe he got one of those family visits and he went and saw his kids instead of his wife.

Speaker 2: 1:30:45

My uncle in england was on the rpf for 10 years too frank yes frank o'sullivan was on the rpf for 10 years yeah, and in fact he escaped and my mother turned him back in to Osa. That's why, when you took off, I was like well, hell to the no, I can't go to my mom.

Speaker 1: 1:31:05

She's going to rat you out. She'll be right back.

Speaker 2: 1:31:07

I was like that option's off the boards folks.

Speaker 1: 1:31:11

Yeah, live and learn. That's true. She showed her true colors long before.

Speaker 2: 1:31:16

She did.

Speaker 1: 1:31:17

And she used to be in the Sea Org and she escaped basically by having a kid.

Speaker 2: 1:31:20

Remember we talked about this. She was even on the Rehabilitation Project Force when I was about seven for a few months and I couldn't even talk to her. It was crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:31:30

Stories for days we didn't really answer the question that we that there. That is how some people go to the RPF, but most of the time it's uh. If you slept with somebody, that's a that's 50% of the RPF is people that slept with other people and and they wouldn't send them to the same RPF.

Speaker 1: 1:31:53

So if you slept with uh, you know Janelle and uh and and your name was Brian, they sent Brian to the Clearwater RPF and they sent Janelle to the RPF in Los Angeles, because if you did that and then ended up on the RPF, if you end up on the RPF for that person, oh, you're definitely going to be cleaning in a closet with each other during the day.

Speaker 2: 1:32:16

Yeah, in fact. So I saw that Catherine is in the chat. Catherine Olson. And she said remind me to tell you what happened at Columbus. In Columbus, when they told the staff they couldn't have any relationships because they were, on mission.

Speaker 1: 1:32:31

Yeah, so let's do it.

Speaker 1: 1:32:33

Let's do cover that in an episode, catherine Olson, I should tell the story about what SO members did in Columbus when we were told no dating because we were all on mission.

Speaker 1: 1:32:41

Yeah, so on mission just means whenever there is a Scientology organization that just has staff members, so they're just Scientologists that work there during the day and they sign like a two and a half or a five year contract, but when the day is over they go home to their kids and their wife, and their wife might be the breadwinner and they work at the Scientology org or vice versa.

Speaker 1: 1:33:09

One of them is a has a regular job that can pay the bills and then the other one is just donating their time to Scientology because you don't make money working for Scientology. Scientology keeps all the money and they give you just a little bit and usually they want that little bit back too. They want you to give them money for other stuff that's in their continental area will send what's called a mission and it's just three or four Sea Org members that are supposed to go there and usually, if they're not making money or they're not selling counseling or they're not selling courses, the mission, the purpose of the mission, is to do more of that and they the Columbus org that Catherine was at. Um, they had like a whole squad of Sea members, like tens or 20 or 30 of these ones that started running the whole org. I don't remember the exact amount she said, but it was a whole bunch of them and they weren't allowed to um, they weren't allowed to, uh, fraternize with each other.

Speaker 2: 1:34:23

So that's awesome. We'll cover that in a story, In fact. Um, yeah, so I already reached out to Amy about women on Wednesday and we can have Catherine as a regular guest.

Speaker 1: 1:34:32

You should be paying more attention to the giveaways, not the the uh everybody here knows, I'm a multitasker honey, that ship has sailed. That's why we're four minutes over on the giveaway okay, all right, so giveaway time folks giveaway, and then we're going to answer these questions somehow. Um, yes, okay, do you want to pick it or you want me to pick it?

Speaker 2: 1:34:52

you do it, I'll pick it because you're like my, my computer's running multitasking.

Speaker 1: 1:34:56

That's why our computer is also multitasking. Okay, it's whatever you guys want Bobble book, merch, merch, yeah, whatever you want. Get in the comments. I'll give you a few minutes to you know. Move, get over, switch your phone position, get your thumbs working, get over to a computer. If you're listening, oh, a computer. If you're listening, um, oh, my goodness, it's going wild in here. I haven't been in the live chat so I gotta go. Um, oh, here we go, I'm catching up. I'm catching up. Oh, wow, seven. What time is it? Uh, oh, yeah, I'm 10 minutes. Still 10 minutes. I gotta get. Sorry, guys, this, you're getting lots of good time here. I just gotta get up to seven. There, we we go. 735. Okay, I'm caught up. Okay, here we go, and you're going to do a countdown.

Speaker 1: 1:35:42

Oh yeah, five, four, three, two and one. I clicked it. There it is, Click Boom, rebecca B, bobble, bobble please. Thanks, okay, rebecca B, get a hold of Claire at blownforgoodcom and she will send you. You send her your address, she'll send you a bobblehead. Yep, yes, oh, did we make the SP shop live on that thing?

Speaker 2: 1:36:16

We did.

Speaker 1: 1:36:16

Yes, oh yeah, we're going to put a link to that too. The SP shop has switched over to this new platform. What I just asked you, and you said yes.

Speaker 2: 1:36:27

I know I was talking about the SP shop on fourth wall. We haven't pointed the domain to it yet.

Speaker 1: 1:36:33

We could share the link to the store.

Speaker 2: 1:36:36

We can. Yes, we have a whole new amazing line of merch.

Speaker 1: 1:36:40

Yeah, the SP shop doesn't go to us. Any merch sales from the SP shop go to the Aftermath Foundation. The proceeds go to the Aftermath Foundation, so we'll put a link in the description.

Speaker 2: 1:36:54

Oh, and did you want to say about the new item that's in production for the SP shop?

Speaker 1: 1:36:57

No, okay, when it's done, we'll release it.

Speaker 2: 1:37:02

Just believe us. There's lots of amazing stuff coming.

Speaker 1: 1:37:03

There's lots of good stuff, but I don't talk about it until I have it in my hand.

Speaker 2: 1:37:08

Okay.

Speaker 1: 1:37:09

Anything could happen between now and then. Okay, thank you, rebecca, you got a bubble. Let's get over to the start. Boosh, let's get these questions. The BTL arm words you about? Please make V-neck tees for women? Answer that. Yep, hate videos. Oh, yeah, see, now we did this. Last time we got to talk to us stream yard again because we are jamming up their their system.

Speaker 1: 1:37:37

Yeah, I don't know, mark. You went through, went to a lot of cracker trouble and the store just saying I know it's, it's not my fault. I didn't know I've, I've, I've ate a bunch of crackers. I didn't feel too well and then I felt better a few days later. Then I ate a bunch of crackers. I didn't feel too well and I thought I should be in these crackers.

Speaker 2: 1:37:58

That's why. And then, right before, right before we came on here, he was like yeah, I don't think I can eat any more crackers. It's just not, it's not working out. I told her it's bad news. Yeah, I don't know, that's not earth shattering news to me? Who's never really seen you?

Speaker 1: 1:38:13

as a big fan of crackers in the first place. Valerie Buljack, how do you think Shelly would feel if she knew how many people actually care? If she was okay, I don't, I think she would. Actually I think she would like it that so many people are concerned. I think that she will never find out about that necessarily, and I don't know how you're going to find, I mean, if somebody's wearing a wear, if you're a big bear or running springs and you go to the store a lot and you're wearing a where Shelly T-shirt that is going to, that could that could rock her, yeah, and that's a cool thing. I don't think anybody knows about that.

Speaker 1: 1:38:59

You go to the Blown for Good store and you look we have in the when is Shelly collection. We have something called the when is Shelly topography shirt and that topography background is the location where we think she's at. That is the actual location, is in the design, which is kind of cool. Okay, let's answer some questions. The scrapbooker question how do I know if my chiropractor, my chiropractor or Dennis, is involved with this?

Speaker 2: 1:39:28

Yeah, I have a good answer to this.

Speaker 1: 1:39:30

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:39:31

Ask them say have you ever heard of Scientology? The look on their face will tell you the answer immediately.

Speaker 1: 1:39:37

Or L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 2: 1:39:38

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:39:39

Because a lot of these chiropractors they get in thinking this is not Scientology, it's just from when Scientology wants to trick you into getting in Scientology. The book says from the works of L Ron Hubbard, and they essentially take an L Ron Hubbard writing and they just take all the Scientologies out of it.

Speaker 2: 1:40:02

Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1: 1:40:03

And they put it out exact. It's the same exact writing. It's just translated into WOG, which is what they call anyone who's not a Scientologist. Yeah, just ask them if they are, or if they have any certificates up on their walls, cause Scientology loves to give out some certificates. Um, if they have any certificates on their walls that say wise or Scientology, or they're signed by L Ron Hubbard, their certificates that they give out in Scientology are like signed by L Ron Hubbard in like a foil signature. Yeah, I just realized that that's kind of creepy. Purple Net I just received my signed BFG book. Can't wait to start reading it. Love you guys. Thank you. Purple Kim the vet tech. This is my very first Super Chat ever. When are we going to meet Max? We have met all the other SP pets. Yeah, yeah, just yeah, he'll show up.

Speaker 2: 1:41:04

Yeah, he'll show up one of these days, bella. Bella is my office buddy. So, like she's scratching at the door right now to get in. I'm like but Max Maxwell, he's. He's just older, so he likes to chill in his bed, but he's got the most amazing underbite of any pet you've ever seen. He's hilarious.

Speaker 1: 1:41:24

Yeah, lafanda. Yeah, somebody from Germany. Sorry, mark Donka is German. It means thank you. Yeah, I know now. Thank you, I knew it. I think talk is thank you. Declare Dave loves suppressive sherry. Mark, what brand model microphone are you using? It's an Audio Technica. Let me just mute it so I can look at it here we go.

Speaker 2: 1:41:48

He's gonna go all out to give you a complete answer it's an audio technica c414 and I actually got this.

Speaker 1: 1:42:01

Sorry, I actually got this microphone when I recorded my book. I got a matched set, so they're calibrated to each other and they were made at the same time and they weren't cheap and I got it for something else as well, and so when all that other stuff was done, I had these sitting around, so most of the stuff I used for doing this was just sitting around in my shop for the most part. Thank you, declare Dave Love. Suppressive Sherry Mark Fisher, are you closet Swifties to Taylor Swift tour? No, sorry, we do have some friends that are Swifties and we have heard nightmares about getting tickets for that tour.

Speaker 2: 1:42:47

Yeah, we actually multiple friends.

Speaker 1: 1:42:49

We've heard horror stories from uh, joe says no, please keep talking. When professionals get business success from lrh tech and become whales, can you describe what their mindset is like? Well, most of these guys are happily giving the money to scientology because they were sucking air before when they were in their practice and they were drowning, and then Scientology gives them a bunch of tips and tricks. That is not Scientology. It's not the things that they're having them do. That's the Scientology part. That's not what making their business grow. The part that's making their business grow is doing things that you should be doing if you have a chiropractic practice, and if you just did those things, you'd probably make more money. Well, because Scientology is spinning it a little, and that's who told them about all this. Then you know. But but a lot of those guys are. I think that is. I mean, I don't want to say it's a dying sector of Scientology. Whenever you talk about any part of Scientology, they call it a sector Like this is the public sector, or this is the medical sector, or they mentioned it, and they kind of call it sectors or different fields. Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to think of some of those guys. They're not very happy when they end up going to jail and they don't have the money. Scientology got most of the money. That's not a good place to be.

Speaker 1: 1:44:22

Claire. Jenna says Jenna. Talia says I get it, jenna, thank you. Funny, claire is doing a 10 out of 10 job on the Shelley series. Have a celebratory root beer on me, claire. Yeah, claire is killing it, slaying it on the series. All those are edited and produced by BFG, the BFG channel, susan B. What was? Oh, there it goes. What was Shelley's maiden name, and are her parents still alive? Her maiden name is Barnett. Her mother passed away when she was, I think, I want to say, in her 20s.

Speaker 1: 1:45:00

No In her 30s In the 1980s. I know, when Shelly was in her 20s.

Speaker 2: 1:45:04

Oh, when Shelly was in her 20s. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 1:45:07

Yes, and um her dad, uh Barney, passed away in 2006 or 2007, 2007. Um, we were very, very good friends with uh Barney, her father.

Speaker 2: 1:45:20

Yeah, he's become almost like a grandpa to our oldest son, who was one going on one and a half at the time. Yeah, he would dote on him and play with him all the time.

Speaker 1: 1:45:32

Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:45:33

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:45:34

Anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:45:34

Oh, I'm going to say hi to Mary Ann's one and a half year old daughter, hi.

Speaker 1: 1:45:39

Mary. Hi Mary. Some people video these and then we say hi, and then they send us a video of the kid going like they're talking to me. Hey, Mary, how's it going? Hi, I don't think the one-year-old's going to do anything now.

Speaker 2: 1:45:54

It's okay, but Lucy, lucy, from a week ago.

Speaker 1: 1:45:57

Hi Lucy, let's say hi to Lucy again. Hi again Lucy. Hi Lucy, hope you're having a good day. Angelina says hola from Mexico. I would like, I like how you two are still finding out things about each other in these live chats, sending you whatever you say.

Speaker 2: 1:46:17

Our son probably knows what that means more than we do.

Speaker 1: 1:46:19

Our sons speak Chinese and Spanish, and we speak barely English.

Speaker 2: 1:46:25

Or French.

Speaker 1: 1:46:28

PAgirl913 says how can we buy Goldie a cup of coffee Like we do, amy?

Speaker 2: 1:46:33

Oh, I think there's a go to the merch store and just do a donation and say say it's for Goldie. Yeah, and then I'll pass it on to her.

Speaker 1: 1:46:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:46:41

I have, I have the hookup. I know, how to get stuff to Goldie.

Speaker 1: 1:46:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:46:45

So just say it's for Goldie and that's where it will go.

Speaker 1: 1:46:47

That's exactly. Go to the BFG store and just say this is for Goldie or this amount is for Goldie, and we'll give Goldie that amount. Yep, perfect, thank you for that. And we do take care of Goldie too, guys. Just so you know, samuel Craven says from Grand Junction, colorado Love you, guys, mark, and Mike Rinder's book, along with Aaron Smith-Levin, smith Levin, his SPTV. Thank you, samuel, appreciate it. Cyborg Scientology says. I live by Hubbard Theater in LA. What is a show like? I live by Hubbard Theater. I don't know what that means. The LRH Life Exhibition. What is a show like If there's a theater that's playing any kind of movies from Hubbard? They're Scientology introductory films like Orientation or any of these films they want to play to get you in. I mean, it's a night, it's an OK theater, but you're not getting out of there without giving over your contact info, so have some fake info ready. Declared Dave loves suppressive. Happy belated birthday, mark. New series A++ Claire.

Speaker 2: 1:47:55

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:47:56

Thank you Declared. Dave. Loves suppressive Sherry. Appreciate it. Lafanda, I hope you know how inspiring you are to so many people over the world. You created a community of compassion and support. Combating COS hate with love. Yes, we try. It is funny, lafanda, that we're trying to just like be open arms to Scientologists who want to leave and the Scientologists that are in are like talking shit. They're sending letters to my companies, they're doing all that and we're just trying to help people. So it's all good. I mean all good.

Speaker 2: 1:48:30

I love that. Our goal all along, the only reason, like all we ever wanted to do was help people. Unfortunately, our parents put us in a position where we falsely believed we were on a path to doing that, and I love that. Now it's so therapeutic to just be able to help people and educate people and help people get out, help people start their lives over. It seriously makes everything work. It makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit together and you just go. You know what. This is my mission in life. I've been put on this path. I am who I am for a reason, and here we are.

Speaker 1: 1:49:06

Yep, not a sheeple says I can't find the four character on a t-shirt in the shop. Am I missing something? Yeah, caricature, you know I. You know what. You're right. For a long time we didn't have a logo, that uh didn't have a background. So no matter what shirt we put it on, it didn't look good. But I think we do have one of those now. So, uh, we'll make a note to make some shirts and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 1:49:31

And somebody was asking for phone cases too, because I added those to Mike's store. You can special request them and I. I special requested them and they were approved right away from Mike's store. So we need to add them to ours.

Speaker 1: 1:49:43

I'll let you do that. Since you did them already, you can do them again. Thank you, appreciate that.

Speaker 1: 1:49:48

I love the initiative. Thank you very much, melanie says. Mark, I just finished listening to BFG. I thought I'd read all the books on Scientology but I got to say your work, ethic and enthusiasm for life is just amazing. Well, thank you. Yes, if you read my book you'll find out. I've been a spaz like this for much before. Uh, we ended up here on youtube, um, colonel prunk, we had a 17 man room birthing. Yeah, that's like child's play, dude, child's play. I think the biggest one I've seen was in the 50s or 60s, I think that was like, oh boy, like, yeah, you could barely squeeze through the beds. It was like bed, bed, bed, bed, dresser, dresser. And you got the dressers and they even stacked the dressers on top of each other, which I've never seen that before. But in SeaWorld Birthings they have a dresser that's on top of another dresser and they're not the same kind of dresser. In almost all instances it's whatever dresser you had and whatever dresser that dude had, one of them's going on top of the other or whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:50:57

dresser, the latest person who escaped.

Speaker 1: 1:51:00

Yes, oh, that's true. When somebody escapes and they leave anything behind, they didn't leave anything behind. You know what I mean? Oh, my gosh In the dorms. So creepy, yeah Gone.

Speaker 2: 1:51:14

In England when I was like seven. I remember when people were cleaning their rooms they would do these random, not garage sales but like, oh, here's everything from the latest person who blew and it's like get your pickings. It was just the weirdest thing ever.

Speaker 1: 1:51:32

Yep. Mark Fisher said please go back. Some super chats missed, including mine. Oh no, no, I got them all. We're good I did start reading another one at the end. Yes, this next one is so good. Kaz Ferns, mark, where did you stash your Depeche Mode CDs, slash tapes? When I escaped, I left my entire collection in the room that Claire and I had together.

Speaker 2: 1:52:02

That's how desperate you were to get out of there.

Speaker 1: 1:52:04

That is, I didn't even take one thing with me and we're going to do a video about this one day. But when we said we want our stuff, there better not be one thing missing out of our stuff, because we knew they'd pick over it like vultures. We said there better not be one thing missing out of our stuff. And we knew of other people that escaped and they asked for their stuff and they couldn't come up with it and they had to give them the money equivalent of it or face, uh, you know, basically theft of our property, yeah, and they sent us an inventory when we got our stuff back pages and we're gonna we have to do a video with this list.

Speaker 2: 1:52:48

It was like 65 pages long, single type.

Speaker 1: 1:52:52

And probably five pages. Of that, 65 pages were Depeche Mode items. It was the best. Anyway, some poor Searic member had to type up every single it wasn't some poor Searic member.

Speaker 2: 1:53:04

It was somebody from Religious Technology Center, Chelsea Graves. Chelsea Graves and Warren McShane were the two that did the inventory.

Speaker 1: 1:53:11

Yeah, awesome. Thank you, kaz. Appreciate that, dave Wilhia. Osa equals bear in Spanish. That's where the smell is coming from. Lol, leave the place, OSA. Get the stink off, suppressive Dave.

Speaker 2: 1:53:25

Nice.

Speaker 1: 1:53:26

Thank you, dave, appreciate that. That's funny. Osa means bear stacy white to the channel owners. Don't make me broke. Oh, um, you don't. If you, if you can't financially, what do they have like on? We need to put a disclaimer up at the end of the video. Uh, merchaholics, if you have a problem with merch purchases well, no, that was stacy, that was stacy I she said don't make me broke.

Speaker 2: 1:53:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:53:52

Ron says any chance of getting Jason Begay on as a guest or a co-host. Love the interview he did with Mark Bunker back in the day. Um, no, I mean I I talked to him last week but, um, I don't know, I just we don't have that sort of relationship where I would have them come on here. We just hang out and talk and stuff. I don't know that he would want it. If he saw the channel and he wanted to be on, I would absolutely have him on. Destiny Salazar is OT9 leaving Church of Scientology and starting an SBTV channel? It is 100% is, and OT10 is getting 500,000 subscribers. Okay, Destiny, Thank you for that.

Speaker 2: 1:54:32

Apparently, youtube has a special button for that.

Speaker 1: 1:54:36

Rue says thank you for the non-dating answer Breaks my heart. However, you two get to date forever. Now, that's right, and you know, that is something we I want to say. Out of the years that we were at the property, we might've had an anniversary dinner, like maybe a handful of times.

Speaker 2: 1:54:55

I don't know that we ever did, I remember you got me flowers once.

Speaker 1: 1:54:59

Yeah, but what about that time? We went to Denny's at three o'clock in the morning?

Speaker 2: 1:55:02

That was for a birthday.

Speaker 1: 1:55:04

Oh, you're right.

Speaker 2: 1:55:04

We never got to celebrate our anniversary. You did get me flowers once or twice, which I thought was like you were like Superman, like how did you even pull that off? Yeah, that was like two weeks yeah exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:55:15

I was like, wow, I had to get it. You have to get an approval to ask someplace to purchase flower from you, can't just be calling up florists. That's out security.

Speaker 2: 1:55:28

Yeah, so we never once that's true celebrated our anniversary other than like, oh, happy anniversary yes, I love you if, if we saw each other that day or if we were the same country yeah, exactly, or state, state yeah um yeah we have celebrated every single one since we've left. Yes, andy.

Speaker 1: 1:55:49

Fabulous. Hi, mark, happy birthday. Today is my daughter's birthday as well. Can't believe how connected we are. My anniversary is 31 years come August 29th. Ooh, that's close to ours. My daughter and I will be going to Gold Base in a couple of weeks. Well, happy birthday to your daughter, andy. Happy birthday, and you don't need to stop. Just drive by, yes, be safe. But if you want to get some pictures, you could do that. Thank you, andy, appreciate it. Happy birthday to your daughter, couch. I just ordered two Zinu mugs, yay, awesome.

Speaker 2: 1:56:24

Thank you, Couch.

Speaker 1: 1:56:24

Thank you, couch. We appreciate couch, we appreciate it. Um, what would happen to scientology if tom cruise would leave from marion? Thank you, marion. Um, scientology, that would be a huge hit to scientology because he's been so pumped up as like the most dedicated scientologist that if he left he and already just him not talking about scientologist.

Speaker 1: 1:56:48

Scientology is kind of weird. If you're a Scientologist and you're not willing to talk about Scientology, that means you're having a bad Scientology experience and that something's wrong. So for Tom Cruise not to talk about it is very telling. And he did almost leave before and Nicole Kidman was just about to get him out, yep. And then, um, they spun a whole bunch of craziness and made him convinced that she was a suppressive and that's why she was trying to get him out of scientology. Yep. So, yeah, it would be a hit. I think it'd be a pretty big hit to them if he left, but they would do what they always do and he'd just be a bitter apostate if he talked any trash about them yeah, they'd be like he didn't leave, we kicked him out yeah, so should we?

Speaker 2: 1:57:38

should we get through the last 10 questions here, do a final giveaway and wrap up in the next five or so minutes?

Speaker 1: 1:57:44

yep, we're almost done that's our hiding folks what are your views of DV's interview with Ted Koppel? Yeah, what?

Speaker 2: 1:57:52

DM David Miscavige interview with.

Speaker 1: 1:57:55

Oh, dv, I get a DM. I found it a bit strange. Is that how he acts normally? Did you hear any behind-the-scenes opinions? Oh yeah, we heard all kinds of craziness. He he thought that he was amazing.

Speaker 1: 1:58:11

David Miscavige thought that he told them. The thing that they were mad about is that they played in that interview. They played a whole thing about him, however, talking about Xenu, and they weren't supposed to do that and a lot of Scientologists were watching when that happened and Dave Miscavige kind of played it off. Oh, he talks about space opera stuff all the time and lectures and dah, dah, dah, dah dah. But that was through them for a curve, because Scientologists are watching, they don't know about Xenu. And then L Ron Hubbard starts talking about Xenu and then he just waved it off, which is a really good example of how, even when somebody tells the truth about Scientology, scientology tried to spin it like that's not what Scientology is about, it's 100% what Scientology. It's what you find out on operating Thetan level three. But yeah, he got himself I think we've told this story on here. David Miscavige was.

Speaker 1: 1:59:19

So that show, that episode, won an Emmy and Ted Koppel got an Emmy because he's the host of that show. David Miscavige didn't get an emmy and he was so butthurt about that that um rtc made him an emmy. And that was david miscavige. Ted coppola interview. Okay, jason lynn love mark's book. Oh, there it is. Uh, jason love mark's book and looking forward to Claire's. I really love the reunion at the end. I'm so happy that you have a new SPTV family after yours, disconnected from you guys to the SPTV stars. Thank you, we appreciate it. Yes, and this was my plan all along Get all these other channels going so we're not on the hook for doing four lives a week. We were doing there was a point I think we were doing a live every day of the week for a while and on the weekend.

Speaker 2: 2:00:14

Yeah, we were trying to hit all continents. Now you?

Speaker 1: 2:00:16

got amy and mark and janice and mike and all and aaron and all these other channels. We don't. We do. We do tuesday and we do sometimes we do monday and we do sometimes we do Monday and we do a Shelly video and SPTV video and maybe some interviews or something else. That's what we're supposed to be doing. We got other things to do, but there are a lot, of, a lot of channels. That is awesome.

Speaker 1: 2:00:41

Eat more pizza now says is there a list compiled of people missing in the Sea Org? There's not that I know of in the Sea Org. There's not that I know of, but in the SPY files there is a list that I just found the other day of all of the people that they were planning to get rid of and throw out like trash, and they talk about each person and why they should be gotten rid of and why they're such a slacker and where they should send them. Like, oh, this person's going to go to the RPF in Australia. This person's just going to be kicked out and thrown out on their ass. This person's going to do this, but they list everything. It's hundreds and hundreds of people. It's amazing that I found these documents. It's crazy. So hopefully we'll get to that. Eat more pizza. Um, it's Casey again.

Speaker 2: 2:01:36

I highly recommend honey, you need to apologize now. It's a.

Speaker 1: 2:01:42

Cassie.

Speaker 2: 2:01:45

This is evil cackle folks.

Speaker 1: 2:01:47

I'm going to remind you. Just remember, you are so full of it. Cassie rhymes with lassie. Cassie rhymes with lassie. I have to remember Cassie is very classy. Okay, classy is very classy.

Speaker 2: 2:02:03

Whatever does it for you, just don't do that again, I'm going to punch you I swear.

Speaker 1: 2:02:08

I highly recommend buying the BFG book. So you have a hard copy, get it signed and get the audible version. So it's like Mark just telling you the stories in his voice Fantastic book, so darn good. Thank you, cassie, I appreciate it. Nice, oh, my goodness. Hopefully I remember that next time, because I am bound to do that again. I'm going to give you the evil eye. Milton De La Cruz says super chat or super sticker. Thank you, milton, and another one. Let's try that again. You're my favorite power couple. Thank you, milton, I appreciate it. That's awesome. I'm trying to. There we go. Sp Cracker Liquor fan. Wow, thank you very much. That's a super sticker. Thank you, that's amazing. Thank you, kat and Maggie. When the verdict comes in, I'm curious if Claire would be interested in discussing the process of being an expert witness.

Speaker 2: 2:03:00

Yes, is that possible? Yes, we will absolutely do that when it's all over. Thoughts for days.

Speaker 1: 2:03:12

Catherine, this is a treat for Max, my favorite dog. Oh, max misses you, catherine. Yes, oh, they were such good buds. Yeah, ron says another German phrase best du verdict translation. Are you crazy? What my dad said to me when he saw me breaking chunks of salt licks that had been put out for cows that are from you are my people. Thank you, ron. Ron, we appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 2:03:28

Yeah, don't lick salt licks that have been put out for the cows. I do not recommend that. Um, okay, it is the end. Are you guys ready for another giveaway? Yay Um we are going get, get yourself over to your phone or your tablet or your computer or your Apple TV or whatever it is, and get ready to get up in this chat.

Speaker 2: 2:03:51

Andy Fabulous wrote in the comments. By the way, he said Cassie is changing her name to Casey.

Speaker 1: 2:04:00

I'm sorry, cassie, that looks like Casey. When I see it, I see Casey. So, no matter what anybody tells me, that's what I see, so that's what I say.

Speaker 2: 2:04:11

And in case it wasn't obvious, Mark is very stubborn and refuses to get a proper prescription for his eyes, so he's not very good, especially getting later at night. Just saying, stating the obvious.

Speaker 1: 2:04:24

Oh my goodness. Hey, let's see what time it is so I can see where we are in the chat. We're about to do another giveaway folks.

Speaker 2: 2:04:30

We have 2,000 people here still. That's amazing, that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 2:04:32

Yeah, it's good for us. Yay, thank you. If you haven't subscribed, subscribe. If you haven't hit the like button, hit the like. And if you hit the bell notification, you'll know when we do these.

Speaker 2: 2:04:43

Yes, and then you'll Not only notifications of my next Shelley episode which hot tip for those in the chat it's going to be with Amy Scobie and you'll get notifications when we start the Women on Wednesday series, because I've already taken care of all the logistics of that behind the scenes here.

Speaker 1: 2:05:03

Yes, okay, ready.

Speaker 2: 2:05:05

Yes.

Speaker 1: 2:05:06

Five, four, three, two and one.

Speaker 2: 2:05:13

Kitty, mom, carol Okay.

Speaker 1: 2:05:15

She's probably got a cat.

Speaker 2: 2:05:17

Yep.

Speaker 1: 2:05:18

Or she's got a kitty.

Speaker 2: 2:05:20

Well, it's okay. Either way, she won. She won. You're the winner. Email me.

Speaker 1: 2:05:24

Kitty mom Carol, kitty mom Carol.

Speaker 2: 2:05:26

Claire at blownforgoodcom and tell me what it is you won, because it's your choice yeah, you get to pick.

Speaker 1: 2:05:32

We picked you, but now you get to pick, yeah, um, wow, that was very good. We had a lot of people blowing up that chat. Um, well, we appreciate it, guys. I think we had a good time tonight. I think that was a good live. It was a good show. Um, the next thing is either going to be a spy file or a shelly another shelly interview. Um, and the next one that's coming out is with amy scoby. Amy scoby worked with shelly for a while and when amy was a big executive over the celebrity center, I think they had a lot of dealings with it during that time when she's.

Speaker 2: 2:06:08

She's actually one of the only people in a very small handful that Shelly considered a friend for a period of time.

Speaker 1: 2:06:18

Yeah, and I've not met a lot of those people.

Speaker 2: 2:06:22

No, they're very slim pickings.

Speaker 1: 2:06:24

Yeah, so stay tuned for that. And yeah, I think we covered it. Anything else Is that it? That's it. Thanks, I think we covered it. Anything else, is that it?

Speaker 2: 2:06:32

That's it.

Speaker 1: 2:06:32

Thanks guys. Thanks for tuning in, thanks for staying for the very end, and don't forget to check out the BFG store. Yay Bye, oh, here, let me take that clip off. After all that, there we go. I didn't hide the comment. There we go, let's see, there we go. Let's see there we go. I knew I'd figure. Thanks for watching.

Speaker 1: 2:06:52

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