Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Unveiling Scientology's Lies: Internet Censorship, Member Defiance, and Unwavering Support for Escapees - Scientology Q&A #29
This episode originally aired on YouTube on June 4, 2023. Due to popular demand, these episodes are also being made available on the podcast.
Discover the resilience of those who leave Scientology and the profound struggles they face. This episode emphasizes the real stories of hardship and hope, highlighting Mike Rinder's ongoing journey and the significance of the “Where's Shelly?” advocacy.
• Examination of Mike Rinder’s current health and circumstance
• Updates on the search for Shelly Miscavige
• Calls for video contributions to support a new project
• Overview of the Aftermath Foundation and its critical mission
• Audience interaction and Q&A addressing listener concerns
• Discussion on the wider implications of Scientology’s influence
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Hey guys, welcome to the channel. We got Claire here, we've got me here.
Speaker 2:Hello everybody, if I look a little red, that's because we went on a vacation and I'm a little red.
Speaker 1:I look a little red. That's because we went on a vacation and I'm a little red. I got a little color, so it's not. You don't try to fix your video, don't try to adjust your dial. That's, that's the way I look.
Speaker 2:And if I look a little white, it's because I am white.
Speaker 1:Yes, we try to keep Claire out of the sun. As a ginger, she will spontaneously combust if we let her into the sun.
Speaker 2:Here we go again.
Speaker 1:As all day walkers have a propensity to do and yeah, so that's also why you guys haven't seen a lot of us is because we've been out doing summer stuff with the kids.
Speaker 2:Yep, and even this next week we're going to be out doing work stuff for the foundation, so our schedule has been incredibly challenging.
Speaker 1:Sorry, people blog, the Mike Rinder's blog, there is a post, there's a link in the description and Christy explains exactly what's going on with Mike and why he hasn't been on. You know, been out and about on YouTube and answering your questions and all that other good stuff and we're we're rooting for him, so hopefully, we are, we're team mike all the way exactly. Um what else do we got? We've got um, oh claire's got another. Um where's shelly.
Speaker 1:Another where's shelly interview came out this last week, and that one was with amy right yes, with amy scoby and, and on Tuesday Claire's got another Where's Shelley interview coming out, and that one is with Leah and that will be coming out Tuesday. I think it comes out Tuesday morning. If you, if you set your, if you're subscribed, and you turn click the bell notification icon, then you will be notified as soon as that goes live and then you can tune in and watch that. And then we actually have a special video project that we're working on right now. That's going to come out. I'm going to say it's going to come out at the end of June, maybe early July, but we are shooting, we're producing a video right now. We are shooting, uh, we're producing a video right now. And, um, I want to say we're probably, uh, we're in the, we're well in the middle of the video. Um, we do need some extra shots and I tried to shoot some of these shots when I was in Los Angeles last time, and I don't know what it is, but, um, a lot. Well, I can tell you right now, almost all of the shots we need take place at Scientology properties and, uh, when I roll up to a Scientology property, they're not too friendly and they, um, it's not too conducive, uh, for uh, video shooting. So what we've done, let me see if I can just pull this up here real quick. There you go. Oh, let's get ourselves in there a little bit better. You can do it, honey. I knew one of those was going to be the right one. Um, I know there's a typo in the top. I tried to fix it four times. No matter what I do in StreamYard, it still uploads the same document that was in there. So you'll, uh, you'll, have to forgive my typo, which I have fixed in the document that's on my desktop. It's just not, it's not updating it in StreamYard. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Shots needed for secret video project and essentially all we need, guys, is is if and obviously this is for the people that live in Los Angeles, these are, these are all Scientology properties in Hollywood and if we, if we get these shots and people, people go and shoot these shots and send us into them, send them into us, then you can have a shot in this new video project that we're doing and, um, essentially we're just looking for, like, if you just have an iphone, you don't have to shoot it with any kind of fancy camera, but if you have an iphone and you just kind of point it at the ground and tilt up to the scientology building, and you could do the same thing. You could start in the sky and just tilt down to the Scientology building and then just hold it there for like 10 seconds. Um, and you can do pans too. You can be on something else and pan over to the building. Um, you can shoot the signs.
Speaker 1:I mean I'll just go through the list real quick and tell you guys what. Whatever we can get, we'll use Um, and then I am going to try to um, have somebody else shoot some. For whatever we can get, we'll use um, and then I am going to try to um, have somebody else shoot some for whatever we don't get from people that send it in. But in the past we've crowdsourced footage from you guys and artwork and it's gone very successfully.
Speaker 2:So I figured we might as well do it with this as well yeah, we've quickly learned that this is an incredibly creative community yes, we have had a lot of people that have helped us with stuff like this.
Speaker 1:But on Hollywood Boulevard they have a building called the HGB, the Hollywood Guarantee Building. We just need a shot of that. It can be from across the street, it can be from a caddy corner to that, anything. Just a shot of the building. Like I said, 10 seconds is probably great. There's a building on Hollywood Boulevard called the Hollywood Inn. It's the building that's kind of now down near Highland in Hollywood and it has a big green Scientology sign on the side of it. That's called the Hollywood Inn. It used to be a Hollywood Inn a long, long time ago and that's where Sea Org members live. We could use a shot of that building. Same thing tilt up, tilt down, pan over 10 seconds each, whatever.
Speaker 1:Then there's another building called Authored Services, which is down near Man's Chinese or whatever they call it these days. And then there's the Association for Better Living and Educations, which is just a block and a half. Two blocks past that ASI there's the LRH Life Exhibition. That's just the ground floor of the HGB. Actually it just says L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibition and any of these buildings that have signs. If you just take a picture of the sign as well, just as a separate thing that could be useful or video. And then OSA is at the top floor of that Hollywood Guarantee Building, so that first shot could probably double for that. And then CCHR CCHR has a facility that's the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, and they have a facility on sunset. I want to say it's near, it's pretty close to sunset, and Gower I want to say um, sunset, and yeah, you can look it up. It's called the, the museum of death, I think, is what their, their facility is called. Very, uh, very uplifting.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then and sorry, just to add a comment from to answer questions in the comments this isn't these LA buildings is only what we need for this particular project.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is part of the video that we're doing.
Speaker 2:It's for a survivor story that is incredible, powerful and mind blowing, but it's all.
Speaker 1:These are the locations that tie into this particular story and L Ron Hubbard way or fountain and L Ron Hubbard way fountain is actually one of the best places to get the shot Cause then you can get that big uh, scientology Hollywood or the big Scientology sign that is shown in a lot of um videos where they talk about Scientology being in Hollywood, um. And then there's another building across from that called the fountain building, um, and then there's the Anthony building a lot of these. And then there's another building across from that called the fountain building, um, and then there's the Anthony building a lot of these and you'll have to look them up. I'm not going to go through and put maps of every single place, but, and then the last one is celebrity center. So if anybody is an ex member or um a fan that knows where kind of all these things are, or if you just know where one or two of these are, um, you don't have to do all of them.
Speaker 1:If you, if you got five minutes that uh during a lunch break and you want to zip down the street and knock one of these off, amazing and um, and and if you send us an email saying that you have footage, we will send you a specific link for you to upload it to. That way we can kind of organize this. So if you get some shots and you say hey, you'll email claire at bloom for goodcom, say, hey, I've got some, some video shots, we'll send you a link to where to upload them and then there'll be a little some paperwork in there for you to fill out. So we have all your contact info and we know how to credit you in the video and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:And then and somebody asked maybe we could post this in the community tab and maybe we can add addresses for it too, where possible.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's a great idea. We'll do that in the community tab. We'll put a link, we'll put a post in the in the community tab that has the exact address of each one of these places. And if you do have photos, we'll take photos. But we would prefer it if we could have some video cars driving by, that kind of thing that you can see and just see that it's live. But if you have photos of these things, or if you already have videos of these things, let us know and then we can go from there. And also, yes, very important this, no, this, yes, keep it wide side to side. We're not putting any portrait videos in this thing. So if you shouldn't portrait, don't even email us please.
Speaker 2:That's just a giant waste of email me, but I'm not going to forward it to Mark because he gets a little fussy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the shot should be about, like I said, 10 seconds is enough time for us to have some handles on it front and back and be able to cut into it and cut out of it. If you make it 15 seconds, that's not gonna be the end of the world, it's just we're gonna. We have a lot of locations, a lot of shots we don't want. Don't worry about the size of the video, it's just really how long you can upload. So, if you can shoot it in 4K, shoot it in 4K. If you can only shoot it in 1080, shoot it in 1080. But, yeah, 15, 10, 15 seconds of each one. And, like I said, you can pan up, you can pan down or tilt up, tilt down, and then you could pan from side to side and, yeah, keep it wide, side to side, 10 to 15 seconds and all the things in Hollywood, all the Scientology facilities and I'd like to just take a moment and give a shout out to the one, the only the talented, Kelly Copter.
Speaker 2:If you haven't subscribed to her channel, head over to Kelly Copter and subscribe. She is doing some fantastic work.
Speaker 1:So, yes, awesome, okay, I think we've got all that. Now we are going to do some giveaways. There are several people that have sent in giveaways in the Blown for Good store there's a link in the description if you guys haven't been over there we got all kinds of cool stuff. We've gotten tons and tons of people sending us pictures of them. In the merch, we've got people who suggested merch and we've made that merch. So we've got phone cases, mugs, sweaters, sweatshirts, hoodies, zip-up hoodies, regular hoodies everything people requested we have made, for the most part and in the video.
Speaker 1:If you're watching this on youtube on your phone or there should be a little little shelf down there that has a bunch of products that are available in the store, and if you just click on the link in the descriptions, you can get tons of other uh things that aren't on that little shelf. Wow, we are already up to 1200 people watching right now, so that's great. That's a good for a Sunday. We tried to do this one a little earlier, guys, so the people across the pond don't have to stay up so late to watch one of these live, and we are going to answer some questions and we are going to do a giveaway a half hour in and an hour in, and if we go longer than that, we'll do it every half hour, as long as we're still here yapping.
Speaker 2:We have a Mike Rinder bobblehead too, which seems fitting for in support of Team Mike.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely. And the other thing I wanted to mention, just so I don't forget about it, is that Scientology has been pretty active on Twitter, claiming that they were, their policies were mischaracterized in the in the recent Danny Masterson court case and in how the judge was allowed their policies to be portrayed. Make no mistake, guys, whatever has been said about Scientology's policies was just reading their policies. There was no interjection of anything else that happens in Scientology. That's not part of their policies. That's not part of their policies, and they are. They're basically contesting that they do not I don't know what the right word is. They don't discourage their members from from reporting things to the police, and also that they they encourage their members to report things crimes to the police. Now, I was at the base and Claire was at the base. We were there for over a decade. I was there for 15 years. Claire was there for like 13, 13 years.
Speaker 1:How long that I was there to finish 14 years 14 years, never once did one person there report any of the assaults that David Miscavige committed on other members. Not one time we were there Did anyone file a police report and the police came onto the property and took a police report from a member on another member. That never happened once of things that should have been reported to the police happened all the time, but the police were never called. In fact, for a majority of the time that we were there, if not all the time that we were there, if you went into the phones at that property and dialed 911, it wouldn't go anywhere. You had to get an outside line to be able to call outside of the property and the only way you could get an outside line was to dial the receptionist and if you said, put me through to the police, she just hang up on you. She wouldn't put you through to the police.
Speaker 1:And here's when a lot of us got out and started reporting these things. Scientology did not deny that there was physical abuse happening at their properties and that it was a culture of violence there. Not only did they not deny that, but they said oh, that was because of Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder. They were the ones that promoted the culture of violence and they were the ones that were abusing people. Okay, so let's just pretend that that was the case. For a second, where's all the police reports? There are none. Where's all the police reports? They're none. They never, ever, reported any of these assaults that were taking place on anyone by anyone, were never once reported to the police.
Speaker 2:so if you're encouraging, don't forget and don't forget. They said it was ecclesiastical justice well, that was in.
Speaker 1:yeah, you know what? I think that was in the tampa Times. They, tommy Davis, said that any justice that was doled out by David Miscavige on members of the Sea Organization and members of Scientology, they're characterizing that as ecclesiastical justice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and the fact of the matter is that Scientology alleging that they encouraged their members to call the police is as blatant a lie, if not even worse, than them claiming that disconnection does not exist. Any Scientologist knows they have never been encouraged to call the police ever, under any circumstances.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the fact that's a good point, and I want to, I want to think well, the other time this sort of came up was in the anderson cooper um story that he did on scientology.
Speaker 2:That's where the that's where the ecclesiastical justice was brought up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, so, when he was interviewing they're called the inch wives, but it was the wife wife of Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Jeff Hawkins and Tom DeVock. These four wives were on Anderson Cooper, and they said they mentioned this thing, they alluded to this oh, that violence happened when Mike and Marty were there not with, not under David Miscavige and Anderson Cooper said, well, where are the police reports? And they were like, don't insult us, you know like it was like they never answered the question, but it was sort of like yeah, if all these assaults are taking place, then why didn't anybody report it? It could have been nipped in the bud right off the bat there.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you're right, though, For them to publicly put out a statement saying that they do not discourage members from reporting to police. They might as well just be saying hey, everybody, that's still in Scientology. Not only are we, not only have we been lying to you for 70 years, but we lie to everybody pretty much as just a standard practice about everything about everything that we get questioned, and we've never done anything wrong ever since our inception, and anytime that we have done something wrong, it wasn't our fault.
Speaker 1:It was the people who did its fault, and they're no longer in Scientology and they're the ones that are causing all the trouble.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and let's not forget that when Tommy Davis lied about disconnection on national television, that triggered a huge wave of people leaving Scientology, so I expect nothing less this time around.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We are ready and willing to help people and, believe you me, word on the street is they have an exodus happening that will, no doubt, will gain momentum.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are hearing.
Speaker 1:The Aftermath Foundation are hearing from more people. We personally, personally, are hearing from more people, and if you're a Scientologist and you're watching this and you were the victim of Scientologist on Scientologist crime, which is the most prevalent crime within Scientology is members screwing each other over or assaulting each other or stealing businesses and then not paying for them. All sorts of this nonsense goes on on a regular basis. This is the best thing. We were talking about this in a video a few weeks ago. We had members we've had multiple Scientologists email us and tell us that this is not only happening in Los Angeles, this is not only happening in London, this is not only. It's happening in all organizations credit card fraud, elder abuse, assaults being covered up. If you're watching right now and you're a Scientologist, tell me you can't think of one instance in your local organization where some shady stuff went on and you heard about it. There was rumblings, it was going around the whisper web and that person nothing ever happened to that person. The person that did the committed the crime or committed the assault or whatever it was. He just went on business as usual. Maybe he got in some trouble in Scientology world, but then he just went right back to doing what he was doing and everything went on and that I can guarantee you.
Speaker 1:Almost every single Scientologist knows of one of these people that committed a crime. 100% should have gone to jail or 100% should have gotten a ticket or something. There should have been a court case. He should have been made to pay somebody. Nothing, nothing happened at all. So we're hearing from a lot of those people, but I guarantee you there's more of you out there. So, yeah, if you're out there and you've got crimes that have occurred and you were the victim of them, now is the time.
Speaker 1:There's actually a lawyer in Los Angeles and he's represented people all over. But people have tried to get their money back, like, say, they have a hundred thousand dollars on account with Scientology and they don't plan on going back and doing any of that, or that they got money was put on their credit cards without them knowing, or they just created a credit card account with this person's info and then started racking up bills on the credit card. There's a lawyer named Graham Berry in Los Angeles when he writes a letter to Scientology saying hey, this person was you stole $50,000 from this person. He ran it up on his credit cards. They don't even get into a legal scuffle with this guy. They just send him a check for $50,000 and say yeah, yeah, tap, tap, tap, we're done. Uncle, uncle, we don't want to do this.
Speaker 1:There's so many crimes and financial crimes that Scientology's committed that they don't want any of this stuff making it to the court system because they it will show like, oh, this is a pattern, they're doing this on the regular, so just want to put that out there. Scientology's really doubling down on this fact that they've never done anything and they're being victimized in the courts and all that. No, this is we're not. This is not what we're talking about, guys. We're talking about them obstructing justice and they're doubling down that we're going to keep doing it. So, anyway, we're. A lot of people have also asked why don't you guys report this to the authorities? Why don't you report this to the police? We've been reporting everything we know since 2006 to police sheriffs, county officials, elected officials, the FBI, congress, you name it. We've been sending these people letters, detailed documentation.
Speaker 2:And let's be specific, the last police report we know of was made last night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's stuff happening right now, guys Like these guys are. Yeah, there's like ongoing things that are happening. You know, just because we're not here doing a video doesn't mean nothing's happening there's no, quite the opposite actually.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's not enough hours in the day, unfortunately, but doing our best to keep up absolutely.
Speaker 1:oh, I look, I just saw, look bing amobie. Yes, we have all been reporting what we know. Yeah, that's the other thing. It's not just Claire and I, there's a lot of people Amy, matt, mike, christy.
Speaker 1:By this point there's probably hundreds, I would guess, if not more lot of people that are reporting things and the what we have learned is the longer things are reported and the more people that are reporting the same things, like they have the same story but it's in a different place, or they have the same story and it was at a different year, or you know, but it's the same sort of assaults, the same sort of abuse, the same sort of taken Sea Org members passports or keeping any identification they have to be able to travel. Any of these things are frowned upon in pretty much all countries as well. These aren't things that are like oh, that's a US thing or that's a UK thing. No, for the most part, you're not supposed to keep people's passports if you're not the person whose passport it is. So, unless you're on a cruise ship, okay, they shouldn't be having your passports.
Speaker 2:But even then I mean the cruise ship people don't keep your passport when we go on a cruise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't keep it, they just want to see it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just want to look at it. Most times they don't even want to hold it, they just want to look at it. Most times they don't even want to hold it, they just want to scan it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you're in the Sea Org, Scientology wants to look at your passport the entire time you're in the Sea Org and keep looking at it in a locked cabinet so you can't go anywhere with it. Okay, I think that's enough of that. Did you have anything else now that I've finished my Scientology? Or Ridiculous rant?
Speaker 2:Thanks for giving me the floor. No, I think I'm good. I said what I wanted to say.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 1:I know it's a little early, but we could actually just rock and roll on some giveaway right now. If you want, you want to do the first one, babe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely I would love to. So we'll do the bobblehead first for team mike awesome we got about.
Speaker 1:We got about 1700 people in the chat right now nice um, if you guys are in need of a bobblehead and uh and also, oh, before I forget, there's a link in the description marilyn makes outfits for the bobbleheads. So if you have a bobblehead and you're just getting and you're kind of tired of the same old, same old suit that the bobblehead's wearing, you can get him a Zinu outfit. You can get him a Duke of Chug outfit. Do you have that thing that she sent you?
Speaker 2:Yes, I do.
Speaker 1:You ready? Claire got this this week. Guys, it's a Claire bear. It's a crocheted Claire bear and Marilyn made that and sent it in.
Speaker 2:He was like, I want that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, our son.
Speaker 2:We made a donation to the foundation, the Aftermath Foundation, in exchange for a Claire bear.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Awesome, all righty. So I'm going to do a countdown for a bobblehead.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 2:Five, four, three, two, one.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go, holly, holly Mays.
Speaker 2:Okay, awesome, congratulations, holly May. Mays shoot me an email, claire at balloon for goodcom, with your address, and we will mail that out to you first thing tomorrow morning nice, perfect, okay, good.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go guys. Um, I say we, uh, do some questions, we'll see. We've got guys. I say we do some questions, we'll see. We've got a few people. Oh, we got some super chats already fired up here. Michelle McIntosh says hi from Newcastle, australia, wow, awesome, that's crazy. We got people from all over here. Judith, susi. I'll say Susi, susi, claire, I watched your interview with Andrew Gold and made me realize just how little of your story I knew. You were incredibly brave and inspirational. I was near tears listening to it.
Speaker 2:Wow, thank you, judith. I appreciate it and, yes, lots more to share, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your perspective. It's fine, I'm not, I'm just telling my story. It's not a you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gino Dean, I think this is Jerry from Sarasota.
Speaker 2:Sarasota, jerry.
Speaker 1:Mike has untold thousands of friends and supporters lifting him up with prayers and best wishes. Absolutely, we're definitely on team Mike and we're going to get him fixed up and, yeah, whatever he needs, we're here for him and, if it comes to it, we might even reach out to you guys if there's something we need in order to make sure he makes it through. Whatever he needs to make it through, and we're here for him, no matter what.
Speaker 2:And we will know more very shortly. So stay tuned, we will absolutely. We've made it very clear. We are in 100% to do whatever we have to.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Carol D says at Claire where's the? Where's Shelly series Love it Okay, good, Awesome Yay. Series Love it Okay, good, Awesome Yay.
Speaker 2:Lots more to come. Great, great material. We're going to keep asking. You know, I've heard people say oh well, we know where she is. You know what? I don't know where she is. I assume where she is, but that's not good enough in the case of Scientology, or in the case of Shelley Miscavige, and the bottom line is is there are many other executives missing as well. So we're going to keep going until something is done about this and and until we know Shelley is alive and well.
Speaker 1:Yes, hey, bungalow bill. Thank you for the super chat. Appreciate that. I guess he's watching in from Canada. That looks like a Canadian dough there. Um, m Adams guys, youtube has started serving me ads for Ritz crackers Coincidence? I think not. Um, I, you know, I don't. I don't, um, I have YouTube, I just subscribe. Um, I pay for a YouTube premium because I it's for all our kids and we all get to use it, but so I don't actually see any of these ads. But I bet you I'd be getting some cracker ads too if I, if I, did have that ability to get those. Oh, here's a bungalow bill again says do public Scientologists really not Google Scientology? Bungalow Bill again says do public Scientologists really not Google Scientology Don't?
Speaker 1:It's sort of like this thing where there's bad news on the Internet. If the Scientologists are being told you don't go on the Internet. It's just bad news about Scientology on the internet and in Scientology. If you are reading bad news and you're listening to things that suppressives are talking about, then that will cost you money inside Scientology. So if you, if you have to go in for counseling, at the beginning of every counseling session they ask you a series of questions, um, that would sort of weed out any Googling of Scientology in the recent time. And then you have to confess to that. And confessing to that could cost you could cash you five thousand dollars, could cost you twenty thousand dollars and you're all of your Scientology counseling is parked until you sort out the fact that you were looking on the internet trying to find out about stuff about scientology.
Speaker 1:So scientologists, not only are they living a a tory, uh, chrisman used to say this all the time, it's like the truman show. So scientologists are in the truman show and this whole world has been built around them and some of them know that they're in the show, but if they ask to look outside the show, wow, they're going to get in big trouble. That was me this time. So if you've got some kind of drink game going on and Claire, normally her phone rings.
Speaker 2:I love it when it's you. It's so rewarding. I cannot believe it.
Speaker 1:I was trying to sort out that stupid shot list typo for 10 minutes before we started and I didn't get to put my do not disturb on, so I apologize profusely and that will not happen again, at least this stream.
Speaker 2:Do I have to yell at you after this to tell you off for having your phone on?
Speaker 1:yeah you can give me anyway. The Scientologists know that there's nonsense going on, but they're not allowed to look because essentially it will cost them money and if they get in trouble? I mean, there's a girl that we know, a woman that we know, syllvia de wall. She was declared a suppressive person for watching leah on dancing with the stars. Yes, she didn't say anything about scientology, she didn't post anything on the internet, she didn't bad mouth somebody, she didn't turn anybody into the police.
Speaker 2:She watched dancing with the stars when leah was on it and they called her in and doesn't she have a recording of her interview which was posted on tony ortega's site? We should link to that. It's, yeah, insane yeah, they.
Speaker 1:She had a person call her in and give her, put her like, put her through an interrogation, and the the bottom line, the end of that was, yeah, it's over. You watched Leah on Dancing with the Stars, so yeah, there it's. And they make an example of those people. So then the other people know, yeah, maybe don't do that. So hey, bungalow bill, do public Scientologists really not Google Scientology? Yes, they really don't Google scientology we did that one already right yeah, I was just calling back to it then say, yeah, that's the deal.
Speaker 2:Um, here's one for you clara bear at blown for good. You were outstandingly strong on the ashley banfield interview. Thank you, and Andrea Thanks for watching, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was pretty good. I mean it was short, but I mean it was on primetime TV.
Speaker 2:I want to say that channel has like 700,000 subscribers or something like that. So hey, yeah, and it was so amazing that Scientology and OSA creeped Ashley Banfield out professionally and personally, simply and only because she tweeted out earlier that day that she would interview me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's another thing. I've had that happen to me too. I went on a show, patrick Bet-David. He has a website called value attainment or YouTube channel, and when I went to go do the interview with him he was down in Texas at the time and I went down there I was also doing some other stuff down in Texas and I went over there and and he had all this stuff that they had sent him and I was just like, oh, that's perfect, that's good. And he's like I've had hundreds of people on. Nobody does this, nobody sends me like no one sends me a file on the person I'm about to interview, with all the dirt that they could dig up on that person. Most of it made up, but anyway, it was pretty awesome.
Speaker 1:Arnie Van Halen, do not be away for so long again. What the heck am I supposed to listen to at the warehouse? Well, you know, to be fair, arnie, I appreciate it. We'll try not to leave so long again. But, to be fair, we have about 100 videos on our channel. Chances are you haven't seen them all, so if you tune in and we're not here, you can watch any of the other videos that are up there.
Speaker 1:Unless you've watched all those, then you might have to jump over to amy, your channel, or, uh, you know, one of the other sp tv channels. Um, sparky and oregon super chat. Thank you for that. Sparky and oregon, that's an oddly uh specific amount for a super chat without any text. But I appreciate it, sparky, I'll take every. I'll take every last super chat. Uh, you want to send us um and um. I appreciate it. Sparky, I'll take every last super chat you want to send us, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Oh, mark Fisher, how long do you want the shots? Oh, 10 or 15 seconds. I think he's talking about the shots of the building. But, mark, you're not going to LA, you live in Vegas. You maniac. This is for the people that are in LA. Please, people don't travel, don't make a trip to do these shots. If you live in LA, I'm, I would, I'm, I'm asking you. It's not that big of a deal to zip over there, but if you live in Vegas and you go there, that's on you. Ok, I'm not asking for that.
Speaker 1:John Satowski says hope you are over your cracker stomach issues. I am not, I'm not. I have, literally I've, had a crackerless diet for the past few weeks to see if I can like return to normal and I'm finally kind of getting back to regular here after going on that mad cracker binge from all the crackers people were sending in. We'll figure it out. I might still do those videos, but I'm just going to eat the one cracker for the video and then that's it. Maybe two, maybe three max, depending on how many takes we have to do, but that's about it. I'm not going to, you know, eat a package.
Speaker 2:Segway to a new topic. Have you noticed how, every single life we do, it always bothers people that we're not in the same room?
Speaker 1:No, I've never seen that ever.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so I just wanted to let everyone know who has that question. When Mark started back up his channel, he set up in his small room down there for him and I butted in and decided to take part in all the fun and contribute to the motion, and I do that from my comfort zone, which is in my office. Neither location fits to two people. So there you have it, folks. I'm on the main level and Mark's in the basement.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we are going to upgrade her setup. We have everything here and hopefully the next time we do a live it'll be all her new setup and it'll be amazing and everybody will love it. And yes, there you go. Also, sometimes one of us need to duck out, and if we were in the same place that would be awkward.
Speaker 1:So, if Claire has to pop off and sort out a dog or kid issue that's in the middle of going down, or if I have to go grab something or do something and she takes over. It makes it a little bit more um conducive to do that more manageable. Yep for sure it's all good, we're we're. You know I spend a lot of time with this gal, so you know it's it's an hour or two.
Speaker 2:He doesn't mean he doesn't like he doesn't mind being one level down from me it's all good.
Speaker 1:it's all good he doesn't mind being one level down from me. It's all good, it's all good. Lisa Robertson says, hoping for a speedy recovery for Mike. Yes, we all are, lisa.
Speaker 2:Yes, 100%. Team Mike, we are going to do this Seriously.
Speaker 1:X Scientologist says what maximum size of video? Yeah, don't worry about the size of video, because we're going to give a place to you to upload it. It could be 12 terabytes if you want to do. That might take a few weeks to upload, but but yeah, anything if it's 10 seconds, if each shot is 10 seconds long, the files won't be that big. Even if you shoot them in 4K, they won't be that big.
Speaker 1:Enchanted Chains Jewelry. Hi, mark and Claire Nate, you were great on earlier podcast. Hi, goldie, I survived a heart attack this week, recovering. To SPTV question. The suppressive electrician asks when are bobble picks? Oh, when are bobble picks? Oh, because we haven't been doing those. Yeah, the bobble picks are fun but they're wholly unproductive. We don't get a lot of productive dialogue, like people are asking questions and we're trying to answer them and I thought we were kind of wasting a lot of time showing funny pictures and they did start to trickle down. But maybe we'll do that, maybe we'll do. We were doing them every week. I think it would be more appropriate maybe to do those once a month or once every few months or whatever, if anyone sends them in, but we haven't been getting-.
Speaker 2:We could do it for, like you know, Scientology event celebrations.
Speaker 1:Well, either way, no one's been sending us any, so we haven't felt the need to do them.
Speaker 2:I've gotten some. I'm still getting some.
Speaker 1:Some is like a handful I'm talking about. We were getting 30, 40 a week. So if we're not getting that many, there's nothing to show. So if you do have some you want to send us. Mike Rinder, bobbleheads at Orgs. Do remember, if you do shoot a picture of your bobblehead at a Scientology organization, please do it with and without the bobblehead, because we are sort of creating a database of these org photos to see what they currently look like and how empty the parking lots are. We like that. That's always fun. Yeah, maria de Jesus Gutierrez says what.
Speaker 1:I'm down there all the time. I can do this. Tomorrow I can shoot whatever my iPhone shoot in. There are all things Los Feliz need them. There are things in Los Feliz. You could do that Los Feliz mission. You could do that one as well, Maria. That would be amazing. But for the most part, the ones we really need are the ones in Hollywood. The Los Feliz one is whatever, but Big Blue, HGV, CC, those kinds of things. That's what we're looking for. I appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's awesome. Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 1:Kristen says question mark did you just get lucky in Scientology being assigned to and trained for an industry that you like and have been successful at after leaving Love SPTV? No, I, actually Scientology did their best from to not allow me to do what I was good at when I was there was good at when I was there. They moved me around to all sorts of other things that I didn't really particularly have a propensity for or enjoy doing Like I was a post-production or a pre-production executive and I was a shoot production executive and I really like being a technician or building audio visual systems, and that was actually only my official job for like the last six months I was there. That was it. For the whole time I was there. I was not allowed to do that and even when I did do it they call it hobby horsing. Oh, you're just doing what you like to do, you're not doing your job. There was many years that I was over those areas, but it wasn't my direct job to do that and whenever those areas that built the audiovisual systems, whenever they got behind or whenever they had a huge thing backlogs of systems to produce, then it was allowed for me to go in there and work and produce those things, but for the most part they actually didn't want me to do that and they didn't allow me to do that until the very last six months I was there and it was kind of poetic that I ended up doing that and I loved it so much and I was so good at it that they had to get rid of me and then that's what I do for a living now. So, and they didn't, they, they're, they're, they're, they're useless at that stuff. They can't, they couldn't, train somebody on that if they wanted to. All the training that I um did when I was there, I did on my own to learn about a lot of these things and how they worked and, um, and how to do it professionally. And then I've uh have uh, educated myself, uh, immensely since escaping and so, yeah, no, it wasn't, I wouldn't credit, I would. If I never went there, I'd probably do it be doing the exact same thing. That's what I think in my heart of hearts. Thank you for that question.
Speaker 1:Yes, I realize you will take 4k or 1080, but it's easier to film in your native format. What is your native format, mark? Well, we can. It's not actually. It doesn't actually matter to us because we can scale. We can scale it down to 1080. So, if you can shoot in 4K, we'll take 4K.
Speaker 1:If you can shoot in 1080, shoot in 1080, whichever one you want, take 4k. If you can shoot in 10 80, shoot in 10 80, whichever one you want. Um, if you're shooting it with your iPhone, if you go into your camera settings, it will. You can say what resolution you want it to shoot at in there and, um, we'll accept any of those. Don't worry about any of that. Um, we're not. We're asking for shots. I'm not going to dictate it's gotta be this and it's got we'll. We'll make it work, no matter what you guys send. Rocky Road says the news. The News Nation video has a commenter that claims Aaron is anti-Semitic. By the nickname is a Aryan Aaron. He called me a xenomorph. Ok, rocky Road, I don't know about any of that, but OK.
Speaker 2:What the heck's that?
Speaker 1:I have no idea. I don't know what any of this means, um, but yes uh there are lots of crazy commenters on lots of places on youtube. Not everybody's got a goldie. You know what I'm saying so um, I think gold I'm actually not even sure.
Speaker 1:I'm not actually even sure. Um, I would love to see some of the things that Goldie takes out. They never even reach us. So for the most part, the comments that I see on our channel, sometimes they're a little snarky or they're a little you know. They poke fun at me or they poke fun at Claire, but I mean there's nothing that I'm going to get. I mean I was, I was in a cult for 15 years. Guys, youtube comments hardly going to trigger me. Okay, that's not how we roll over here.
Speaker 2:Um we have far thicker skin than you might imagine.
Speaker 1:Yes, claire, the video with Amy was great. You gals are amazing, strong, et cetera. I truly admire you. That's nice. Thank you, susan B. Helen Girl 55 says hi, mark and Claire, great to see you both today. Great to see you, helen Girl 55. Yeah, we haven't. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 2:Wow, we're at 2,000 here now.
Speaker 1:Nice, 2,000. And we're coming up in 13 minutes. We're coming up on another giveaway. So make sure you you get your keyboard, you keyboard folks or phone or whatever you're on, Get ready to jump into the chat when you, when we go to start throwing out some of this, these giveaways, these merge giveaways. Michelle Mish, we should pick a date to all post when is Shelly? All on social media tagging Scientology and keep on every day might be able to bring her forward, but at least get people talking and keeping away. Yeah, everything helps guys. The.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of people that are finding out about this Where's Shelly thing from youtube, um, uh, last there's a show on hbo called last week tonight with john oliver. He talks about where. He's talked about where's shelly probably more than any other person on any kind of streaming service or or like official network like hbo, um, but he's done a lot of where Shelly content. And and then, yeah, that guy that was on the. I think it was the golden globes. One of the award shows made us where Shelly joke. So it's getting out there. I mean, we've been. We've been asking where Shelly. We did a picket 2009. When was that picket? That was in Hollywood with anonymous.
Speaker 2:Yep, that was 2009.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did a picket, jenna.
Speaker 2:Jenna Miscavige and Mark Fisher was there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tori Chrisman. Was there that one outside of the HGB?
Speaker 1:No, no, this one was in hall, this one was at big blue on sunset.
Speaker 1:Oh we went to a picket. Maybe only I went to that one, maybe you didn't go to that one. That was an anonymous picket and I was even wearing an anonymous mask. Scientology has got tons of pictures of me with anonymous mask on the V for vendetta guy Fox mask. We went to a picket at Scientology. Anonymous did a picket. I kid you not, guys, this was the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Someone flew a plane over Scientology's property with one of those banners, you know like you see at the beach, where it says you know like, buy Fritos, they're great, or whatever they say. Or you know, happy birthday, michelle. Somebody flew over all around Hollywood above the Scientology properties with a plane that had one of those banners and it said where's Shelly? I don't know who did that. I don't know how that happened, but it was amazing. It was amazing. There's got to be pictures of that somewhere, but it was literally yeah, no, I've seen pictures of that.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness, and we didn't know this was going to happen. I mean, I didn't know this was going to happen. Somebody somewhere knew. But we were sitting there and we're like what does that say? Up there. And then they got close. We're, like it says we're Shelley. Oh my goodness, that's crazy. Anyway, that was pretty amazing. Yeah, sylvia 1978 says love you for all you do and for all you are about to do and have achieved so far, watching you since November. Keep it up. Love from the Netherlands. Well, thank you, sylvia, we appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I love how there's people here from like other countries and other states and other towns and it's amazing Misbehaving. I read the Amazon version. Oh oh, I read the amazon version of bfe years ago but I've become such a cracker, licker, claire bear I had to go for the hard cover which I got in two days. Yeah, the blown for good shipping is amazing. I mean, if you place an order, that's claire. If you place an order in the morning, almost every single day it will get shipped out by lunch or at least dinner. At least I do a post office run every single morning If there's books to go. When I head off to work, claire's already processing them all and they're all sitting there and I take them, and then we've got other people that take them during the day. So if you want a book and you want it fast, you can go to the blown for good store and order up a paperback or a hardback. They're both signed by Claire and myself and, yeah, they ship out same day Usually.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:First time, angry Isaac says, first time catching a live. Thanks to both of you for all you do. Bought BFG on Kindle then as an audio book. Well worth the extra to hear you read it. Mark, you do a great job. Thank you very much. I recorded it on this microphone right here. Thank you, Isaac. I appreciate that PT Bird Saw a pic of Goebbels. Is DM his reincarnation? I don't know. I've never seen like a side by side of that, but I'd have to take a peek at that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know about that one. I don't know enough about either one of those. But you know, we did learn something very spooky in the last week about some stuff I don't. Do you want to say it, Claire? Do you want to talk about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2:It's so chilling, it's just so. So essentially, as most people here know, I was in Religious Technology Center for eight years. That's the top, the highest ecclesiastical organization in Scientology, run by David Miscavige himself. And there is an L Ron Hubbard advice in which he states that the staff of Religious Technology Center are to be the police of as hard as cold chrome steel unquote, and so on our Wednesday show. On the Wednesday show I did with Amy Scobie last week, someone actually commented and told us that hard as cold chrome steel is a direct quote from an Adolf Hitler speech to Nazi youth.
Speaker 1:Yeah. If that's not insane there.
Speaker 2:I mean, if that doesn't blow your mind, I was. I was mind blown. I was like follow an Adolf Hitler instruction to Nazi youth that was repeated by none other than L Ron Hubbard himself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's sort of crazy if you think about it for a second.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let that settle in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and RTC is the police of Scientology. No-transcript. If the religious technology center, that's the highest, highest organization in all of Scientology. If they say you are declared a suppressive person, you're declared a suppressive person, you're never going to see your family again, you're never going to be able to work at your Scientology business again, your life is over as you know it. So if they say, don't report something to the local police, you're not going to do it because the Scientology police are much, much, much, much harder on Scientologists than, and can do more harm like that.
Speaker 1:Not to say that the regular police shouldn't be notified, because if someone's committed a crime then the police need to get involved in all that stuff. But just in terms of how Scientologists react, they do whatever they're told they don't. They don't. If you're wondering, well, why aren't these people coming forward and why aren't they reporting these things? They do what they're told. If they're told not to report things to police, they're not reporting things to police. Okay, ob O'Brien says the beginning of the end. Thank you, thank you, thank you, yes, absolutely Thank you for that OB.
Speaker 1:We appreciate that we got five minutes up, five minutes to the giveaway. I'm just trying to keep track because we lose track. We start yapping, I start yapping and rambling and then we forget all about it and what time are we going to go, until 4.30?. Or until we run out of questions.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we should just say we should just agree right now, because, yeah, we're, we already committed to our neighbors.
Speaker 1:Let's say five, we'll stop at five, no matter what, we're shutting it down at five 4.30. 4.30. Shutting it down at 4.30. 4.30.
Speaker 2:Final giveaway at 4.30. That's my final answer, Otherwise I won't be able to have the house ready. Thank you for your understanding, people.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, michelle Carpenter, rollercoaster Week. All my love to y'all. Also, if any viewers the discord server to chat with 50 plus now and growing fellow SPS and get notified of SPTV live streams. Goldie has the link. Yeah, if, if you can get that link, claire, and we'll put it in the description and I might even head over there and see what's up with all that.
Speaker 2:Perfect.
Speaker 1:I don't really get into that kind of stuff but I might. I'll try it and I'll see what's up. Destiny Salazar with so many crimes and receipts for those crimes, what do you think keeps the authorities from stepping up? Um, that's a good question. It's. We were, when we were um, when we were working with um, some different agencies on this.
Speaker 1:Because of the religious cloaking that Scientology hides behind, it's very, very hard for them to bring a case against them. And the example that was used with me by one individual agent was if somebody says David Miscavige shot somebody, we need the gun. We need the person who got shot, we need the gun, we need the person who got shot, we need David Miscavige and hopefully we need a video or a bunch of people that saw him do that. Now what Scientology will do is if let's say I'm there, I work at the property and I say David Miscavige hit me, and then I go to the police, well, scientology will get a hundred people that were at that property to all right, I was there when Mark was meeting with him and Dave never touched him, and they'll sign an affidavit that says that. So it's basically my word against a hundred people that say that they were also there. Even if they weren't there, they didn't witness anything. There was three people there and those three people they don't even do affidavits. They get all these other people that weren't there to do the affidavits.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's a few guys at the base that Dave beat on a regular basis, like just nonstop, like in the people that he beat on. They were in the top five, those individuals that I personally and Claire has seen David Miscavige abuse. These guys. We've seen affidavits from them saying that David Miscavige has never even yelled at me. He's never even raised his voice. One time there was a little bird that had broken its wing outside of our office. David Miscavige went out there and picked it up and nursed it back to health and I mean these are the affidavits. Not only has he not beat them, but he's rescuing birds during the workday. Okay, yeah, it's ridiculous. Pat Broker, co BILF such a hypocrite telling members not to call the police, threatening to call feds when he finds cash in the freezer at a rival safe house. What is going on? What is going on in the comments? I don't know what this has to do with, but yeah.
Speaker 2:OK, then. Thank you, Pat Broker, for being here.
Speaker 1:Thanks. Pat, I guess that that was supposed to be Pat Broker commenting on our channel. If you guys don't know, Pat Broker was one of the two people that L Ron Hubbard actually turned over the management of Scientology to before David Miscavige pushed him out and took over himself. By the way.
Speaker 2:Amy Scobie just commented in the comments that she sent their stupid affidavits to the FBI. Oh it's zeroed out.
Speaker 1:That's it, guys. I'm in the clear. I'm in the clear. Even after I did it, she still didn't put her phone on Do Not Disturb and she gave me back. It's a tie now. I did put it on Do Not Disturb, and she gave me back. It's a tie now.
Speaker 2:No, I did put it on Do Not Disturb and I'm supposed to pick something up and I had to remind myself of that and I didn't know that we were going to be doing this right at this time.
Speaker 1:Tampa, Japan, Green of Gables. Oh, you can read this one.
Speaker 2:Okay, tampa, japan of Green Gables. Claire, I emailed you to redeem my giveaway prize from the last live stream. Awesome, I'm quite sure I've sent it. I don't always remember to send the tracking information, but I've made a note and I will double check to make sure it's on the way. Thank you.
Speaker 1:John Satowski says oh, some members, if you leave Scientology, I will send you a monthly cracker. I'll send you monthly cracker shipments. That's very nice of you, john, and I can vouch for John, cause he has sent me cracker shipments. And, um, I'm not sure that necessarily. Um, the OSA people that are leaving, the first thing they're going to need is crackers, but at least they will have some food, uh, in the form of a cracker, in addition to whatever other help they need. Osa people, when you do decide to leave, you can give us a call and we will still help you, even though you're, as Denver Stevo likes to say, you're not the best smelling Scientologist. The OSA guys.
Speaker 2:But you can shed that when you leave. It's very easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, once you leave that place.
Speaker 2:It's far easier than you might think to start over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly Once you leave. It's very easy. Yeah, Once you leave that place, Far easier than you might think. Yeah, exactly Once you leave there, you won't smell like that anymore. Joanne Buck says hey, Claire, strange question, but do you have any family from Limerick? I'm asking because my grandfather was one of 12 and you look like me.
Speaker 2:Wow, well, I'm not so Limerick I'm thinking is Ireland. I don't know. I grew up in a cult. I'm not too familiar, I've never been to Ireland, but very likely because my grandma was one of 12 people Well, shoot 12 kids. She was from Cork, ireland, so it wouldn't surprise me. I've come across other second and third cousins who also look exactly like me and I don't look like my mother not by coloring anyway. Awesome. Yeah, message me, maybe we're related.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get on that. 23andme Bo Beats, how did your son's BFG report go? Thanks for LE E reply. I don't think he actually has gotten graded on. Did he get graded on that?
Speaker 2:He did, he did great yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. I think he got an A.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I want to say he got an A. Yeah, the teacher was a Depeche mode fan. It was. It was almost a given. It was almost a shoe in guys. Come on. Um, george Massey, do we need to 10 X? The aftermath foundation? Um, the aftermath foundation is doing great right now. Um, we have been getting a ton of support and, um, we are. We have some amazing stuff coming up. Um that you guys are going to find out about results of the, what the donations have gone to, and I want to say that's going to find out about results of the, what the donations have gone to, and I want to say that's going to be probably the end of june, early july, and um, it's going to be amazing, trust me yep, and we have lots, lots of new projects in the works.
Speaker 2:So, yes, we will continue to grow and expand and and also, whenever you're ready to. We haven't needed to specifically purposefully ask for a specific fundraiser as yet, but we'll never say never, we'll just keep growing. Keep on keeping on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ken's channel, happy chat. What guitars you got? I have 15. I have a problem, lol. I'm Malcolm in an ACDC and KK Downing in a Judas Priest tribute. Well, with 15 guitars, you got to do something with all that. I have two guitars in the background, and one was my father's bass guitar. He has since passed away, but I put that up in memory of him and the other one is a guitar that I was given for my birthday that is signed by Depeche Mode. And then I do have some other ones that I'm putting up. I'm just running out of real estate in this small room, so I got to figure that one out. But thank you for that, ken. I appreciate that. Felipe B says happy, super chat. Thank you for that, Felipe B.
Speaker 2:Thank you for Felipe.
Speaker 1:Ken. Maggie, I'm loving the idea of Mike Ritter bobblehead Ken as in Barbie. Okay, oh, like she wants an outfit, I think, marilyn, I think that's an outfit request, scott. Thank you for the super chat. You know what I got so excited about warning us about the giveaway, that we're four minutes over the giveaway.
Speaker 2:And we're almost at 2,200 people. So, yay. What are you giving away this time, honey?
Speaker 1:I'm going to do whatever they want. If you want a book or if you want merch, it'll be book or merch anything in the BFG store. So it doesn't matter what you want, because if you win, you get to pick something and then send us a link of the thing that you want and then we'll just send you a link back that allows you to redeem that for free. It's a very seamless operation and if you're, I'm flipping over to the live chat here. If you want this, it's four oh five my time. So if you want this, you get up in that. Uh, get in the chat. And uh, I know Goldie does not like it when I say this, but blow up that chat. Blow up that chat.
Speaker 2:That should always almost be a merch.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say this is a fact, but I I think I've noticed that a lot of the winners, a majority of them, are subscribers. I think it just gives them an edge in their overall luck, kind of karma situation.
Speaker 2:Somehow, as the comments fly by, they jump out at you. Is that what sometimes? The, sometimes the ones that are subscribers I go I've seen that name before and it gets kicked I never used to believe in giveaways until we started doing them and I started actually sending people stuff and I was like, oh, you can actually this does can actually work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. So what I do, guys, is the comments are going, I literally just spin the wheel and I just I click on one. I like to do a countdown. So I'm going to start doing the countdown now, and when I hit one, I'm going to pick something. That's how it's going to roll and we're going to do it that way. You ready, guys? Ready? Five, four, three, two and one. More Bobo, more Bobo. That's funny. I know a guy named Bobo that was on another show I used to watch Pick me.
Speaker 1:I closed my first real estate deal today. Well, you got it, you got it. More Bobo, you win. You got it. More Bobo, you win. So all you got to do is you got to email Claire at blownforgoodcom with a link from the BFG store of what item you want, and Claire will send you back a link that says redeem it. And then you just say yes, you put in your data and you just, it just sends it to you for free. No shit, you don't have to pay for shipping, you don't have to pay for the item. Just, it's, it's, it's seamless, it's really seamless.
Speaker 2:It's a good system.
Speaker 1:Thank you more, bobo. I appreciate it. Sorry to everybody else who didn't win.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you're also participating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for trying. And also more, bobo. You better subscribe, okay, because I made that whole big spiel about the subscribers. So you better subscribe, so that I was right about that. Okay, let's get back to the starred chats here. Scott, thank you for that. Scott, rachel, xoxo, uk from Highlands of Scotland, thanks for all you do. Well, thank you, rachel. We appreciate it. We're going to. We're going to get over there pretty soon. We've got a lot of family over there and the kids are itching to go over there. We're, this summer's a little jammed up, but next summer we might be able to make something happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or maybe even Christmas. We'll see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mac D, dark clouds have been gathering over Scientology for decades and oh, brother, it's starting to rain. Yeah, there's definitely um, we just saw a bunch of lightning today in our uh and some of the things that we're dealing with. So, yeah, they're. They're definitely um. Osa has is gonna be busy metalhead.
Speaker 2:How Scientology sorry, pause for a second purple, groovy 69. Uh, send me an email. The the last giveaway we did so. You guys know, every time we reach a thousand, the next thousand subscriber mile count. So, for example, we hit 33,000 a little bit ago. The person I chose did not email me back. So I see you're asking for a book. Email me and you win a book, a signed book. So there you go. All right, keep going, honey, sorry.
Speaker 1:Metalhead says how can Scientology lie about written policies that people already know? Didn't they have to present their policies on paper to the court? Well, that's exactly the thing. Scientology would not offer up a Scientology expert. This is the ridiculous thing of this whole thing. A Scientology expert this is the ridiculous thing in this whole thing. Scientology you'd think they'd have an expert witness that could testify on Scientology, but the problem is is that Scientologists are taught how to professionally lie. There's actually there actually is training routines and it's called a training routine and they go like one through. What is it nine?
Speaker 1:yep there's a whole bunch of training routines. One of them is called trl and it's teaches a scientologist how to lie and you don't pass doing this. It's a drill like. You practice it over and over and over again. You're not allowed to pass the drill until you can effectively lie. That is the stated end phenomena of the drill.
Speaker 1:When a person passes the drill when they can easily and what does it say? And it says and easily and facially lie. That's what it actually says in the writing. So Scientology is not able to put up their own witness because the prosecution knows they're just going to lie. So they need to get somebody who's not in Scientology to be the expert on Scientology, and really I mean. Correct me if I'm wrong, claire. You just read their references.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's not like Claire made up a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my testimony was the policies of Scientology and firsthand witness. You know firsthand experience as to seeing those policies applied. It was equal parts, but yeah, absolutely, and factor in, I only quoted the policies I currently have access to. There are thousands more that I just simply don't have access to. They're not available in the public domain and, for that matter, they're not available to Scientologists in general. They're only available to upper management people in Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay. Sunday night 7 am, Monday morning Great wake up. Well, I mean, we can't be in all time zones at the same time.
Speaker 2:No, sorry, but thanks for being here. We appreciate you. We try to cater to all time zones. It's just a little challenging sometimes sometimes um lightning fan.
Speaker 1:For lightning fan says question claire bear on aaron's channel talking about shelly jackson said dave knew she would blow question begins at first.
Speaker 2:I've ever heard she wanted to leave any thoughts yes, I saw that and um, and absolutely there was. There's a few different instances and we'll get to talking to those.
Speaker 1:So yeah, there's an interview. There's going to be a Shelly interview that's specifically about Shelly, with Jackson and with many other people there's, I think we've done me Mike, Amy and Leah's coming on Tuesday and then we've got a whole bunch more and we probably have at least once a week for the next several months.
Speaker 2:We're going to have a where Shelly video and these are people that worked with Shelly, that knew Shelly and had interactions with Shelly, so we're trying to give and if you, as a viewer, fall into that category and we have not already spoken, then please reach out to me, because we are going to continue on this question until we have an answer.
Speaker 1:Yes, cg Paul SLP says how is Mike worried about him? Courtney, yes, we put a link in the description to a post that Christie did on Mike Rinder's on his blog. His wife did and it's in the description below. You can take a look at that and that's the current update. That, as of I think that came out this morning. I want to say yes.
Speaker 1:Felipe B says Mark, has DM ever seen your DM tattoo? Yeah, he thought it was his initials when he saw it and I had to correct him saying I don't think so that's Depeche Mode. So yes, he has seen it. I'm in Tampa, if I can do anything for the renders. We've missed our headlies and are happy you're back, but glad you had family time. Thank you, lori, we appreciate it. I don't think we need any. I don't think we're not doing any meal trains or whatever they're called. We're not doing anything like that just yet. But we'll let you know if, trust me, if we need something, we're going to ask for it. We're not, we're not afraid we. We do things for people all the time, all the time. So when we need help, we ain't afraid to ask. If we need some help, we're going to say, hey, listen, we're uh, you know I got broad shoulders, but I can't carry all this. I need some people to come over here and help me out here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, caroline made very clear that we are at Mike and Christie's full disposal to help with whatever they need, as has many other, as have many other people. But we will definitely keep you posted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dynamic duo, mark and Claire, truly making a difference in this world. Great work, helping clear one from the streets of LA, but for, oh, let's say, 30 to yeah, well, we are definitely helping people get out. I think that's what that's. In reference to hearing from a lot more people inside Scientologists, we've been hearing from staff members that are at their organizations. We've been hearing from members who are trying to leave successfully without losing their family. That's really the trick in Scientology. The trick is the trick's not leaving Scientology. It's easy to leave Scientology. All you got to do is come on a podcast or come on a video and say I was in Scientology, you're done, you're out. The trick is to get out and not lose your family or not lose your business or not lose your livelihood. So we're trying to help people exit, but exit with their lives intact. And for those that are not able to do that, we're here to help them start their lives over, if they need to, with whatever resources. So that's the other thing is, if you can't leave with your family, you can't leave with your business, but you, you, for your own sanity sake, you cannot stay and keep working for Scientology, or you can't keep contributing to the abuse or whatever it is. That is exactly why the Aftermath Foundation is there to be able to have the resources for those people who couldn't exit with their family or couldn't keep their job, or couldn't stay in the same town or whatever it is. So we're trying to do everything we can.
Speaker 1:Miss Pillow, 100% team Mike. Anything we can do, please let us know, holding Mike, his family and friends in our hearts and sending them all love. Yes, thank you for that Wiggly Woo reference to Mike. I promise I'll be positive and supportive going forward, but for right now I'm going to have myself a good little cry, setting strength and strong belief for the best. Yeah, it's okay, that's okay to cry. It's sad, it's not the happiest news we've got, but uh, you know, if there's a way out we'll get. We're going to get out. We're going to make it, make it to the other side.
Speaker 1:Uh, nikki G says thank you for everything. Glad you all took some time off and got recharged. I know your time in Scientology make you cherish family time praying for Mike. Yes, thank you for that, nikki G. Yeah, I think I'm going to add another Claire to the stream. I'm going to get rid of this Claire because I had a frozen Claire in the stream and that Claire was no fun, so adding this other Claire that moves around much better. Again, old Claire. Sorry about that. This is old Claire. See, look at that, she's even giving me a dirty eye. So we're going to get rid of her and just have this one.
Speaker 2:I was like what the heck happened?
Speaker 1:From now on I'm just going to keep like not what I want, what I want, not good. Oh my gosh. Good, okay, good, thank you for that. I was like where'd Claire go? Oh, well, and then I saw you pop up in another window. I was like, oh, she's coming back in in another one here. Yes, nikki G, oh, you already showed that one. Sorry, I got mind wiped by having multiple Claires. Moonlampy says just a small contribution, because you're also super adorable. Thanks for all that you do. Keep up the good work. Your videos keep me sane now that my life is a roller coaster. Love from the Netherlands. Xoxo, monique. Well, thank you, monique. I appreciate that and I'm glad that we could be some sort of small beacon of light in whatever darkness you're involved with.
Speaker 2:Stay strong. You got this. We are here for the long haul.
Speaker 1:Ruthie, you got this. We are here for the long haul ruthie r super chat, or whatever they call that super sticker. I always call this super chat. It's a super sticker, whether he wants it or not. Novenas are going for mike, novenas, novenas are going from. Whether he wants it or not, novenas are going for mike already. I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:And and hummingbird, but we should know, but we grew up in a cult, so yeah, sorry about that. We'll look it up, thank you for the super chat.
Speaker 1:Second, listen to your book. What happened to your childhood friends that went to the SO before you? Are they still in? And Claire? Yes, ashley, and you did great in sticking with the interview. Perfect Stacey.
Speaker 1:I have talked to some of my childhood friends, but the ones that joined this Sea Orc before me one is still at the international headquarters. Him and his wife tried to escape many years ago and they were caught and they were dragged back so he wanted to get out. This is Jesse Radstrom. If you guys are wondering, um, I talk a lot about him in my book and um, he was my best friend when I was uh, uh, younger, um, probably like 12 to 15, I want to say Um, and he did try to escape with his wife. Um, and they were caught. They had a, he had a vehicle, he had to pack it up with all their stuff and they said at the base is a highway that divides the property. And they said they're just driving through one gate to go to the other side of the property. And then, when they got onto the highway, they were just going to hightail it and the guard booth were like okay, just wait there, we're not going to open the gate. Just wait there, a guard's going to come down. A guard came down, opened up the back of their car and all their stuff was there and they were like, get out, you guys are done, that's it. So, yeah, he tried to escape and he got intercepted, which is really a bummer, because I really really would have loved for him to get out of there.
Speaker 1:He, um jesse, was in religious technology center with claire. Um, claire was in religious technology center. So was he, and then he got kicked out and then he got put into the division that I worked in where we did the video and film work and then eventually, just by people getting sent away or people escaping, he actually rose to the top and became I think he was the commanding officer of Golden Arrow Productions at one point yeah, he was, and when he tried to escape he was actually the head of their media organization. When he tried to escape and he got intercepted. So it's a bummer. Quentin Hubbard says what's your favorite airplane? That is a very random question. Is that because, claire, you saw a video of Claire flying a plane, taking off in a plane that was a Cirrus SR22 Turbo, that Claire was flying, that I was showing the video of her, but that is a pretty cool plane, but I don't know if it's. I don't really have a favorite airplane. Do you have a favorite airplane?
Speaker 2:Nope, the other one I flew was a DA40NG.
Speaker 1:And what brand is that one?
Speaker 2:Diamond.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know about that. Claireire updates. You would not believe some of the stuff that claire does as part of her job. She updates airplane avionics and does hangar stuff and tugs and small cirrus planes and diamond planes, and you she's? She doesn't. She has a whole nother life besides this nonsense that we're doing.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I appreciate what they'd call it Jane of all trades.
Speaker 1:Yes, michelle McIntosh. Hey, did you guys see? Did you guys see Aaron post about Shelly Miscavige and the psychic? She said that Shelly was up in heaven with Kirstie Alley and L Ron Hubbard LOL.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that was I.
Speaker 1:I think that was more of a joke. I don't think anybody really believes that If she was, we would have some sort of report that that happened, like there would be a public document in most cases when that happens.
Speaker 2:And if she is, then both she and L Ron Hubbard are AWOL, because they were supposed to come back and pick up a new body and resume their billion-year contract.
Speaker 1:So that would be a no report. Yes, janine Greider says. Claire, your interview with Ashley Banfield was great. Also, is Mike? Okay the link in the description for the Mike info and you can talk about the interview.
Speaker 2:Thank you, I appreciate you watching.
Speaker 1:Oh, perfect, scott, if Shelly passed away. Could Scientology keep that hidden? Not likely, because unless they moved her somewhere like she's in, we suspect that she's up in Big Bear or near Big Bear, in a town called Crestline or Lake Arrowhead or Rim of the World it's different names depending on what you know exactly where you're talking about. But if people there's been a lot of people that look for death certificates look through the records to see, they search the records based on people that we think might be getting up there that they would pass away, and they would look in the county where these places are located, and no one has found any in Riverside County, california or San Bernardino County, I think those are. Both of those are in those counties.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Big Bear or Rim of the World or Crestline, whatever they're calling it. I'm pretty sure that's also San Bernardino County. But whatever County it's in, people have been checking and there hasn't been any public records. So unless they move her to some random County in another state, it's hard to it's hard to know. It's hard to know. Alicia Medley says well, sign will currently. Will currently sign currently.
Speaker 2:Scientologists see the press release DM put out, what will they think? Knowing what DM says is 100% is lies. Team Mike.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's what we were talking about earlier, guys, if they do put out well, they did, they already did it. They put out a statement which I'm going to say Ninety nine point nine percent of all Scientologists know that that's a 100 percent lie, like they just know it's. It's, it's in their policies. Don't report us to civil authorities, police are civil authorities.
Speaker 2:Oh and, by the way, side comment no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what has his language. Also, corinne Powell hasn't written anything, I'm going to say, in years that's been of any consequence. She doesn't even speak English.
Speaker 2:She English is her second publicly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she, and she is not highly regarded it within OSA or by David Miscavige at all. He doesn't like her. He talks and he talks smack about her all the time when we were there when it was like, oh, this is needs to get handled, oh, great Corinne, what's she going to? You know that's that's. It's disdain. He actually has disdain for all I think I want to say almost all of the OSA staff. He has communicated that their jobs are coming to him to do and that's why, when you see all these things that are written, he's writing it and he's complaining the entire time, telling them you guys are making me write this because you can't write something that's sensible. Meanwhile, he's writing things that are completely nonsensible.
Speaker 2:Yep exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it is a. It's a world of crazy there, guys, I hate to break it to you. It is a world to create crazy thinking. Uh, ms Pillow, again thank you, thanking all SPTV for coverage of DM trial. Justice for the victims is sweet, though SA. Uh, assault effects can be lifelong. Nonetheless must believe victims first, not the power structures like Scientology et cetera. Excuse me, special thanks to Claire from Assault Survivor.
Speaker 2:Wow, thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah Again, guys, this is not about this, not about us. It's never been about us, and we have repeatedly said this is about the victims of Scientology. We're doing all this so those people can escape and start over without having to wait. That's the. You can always make more money, you can always get a car, you can buy a house, you can go on vacation. We can't get more time. Time is the only thing we can't get more of. You can't buy more time, and when you're in Scientology, it's just a time suck. You're throwing away time. That's all you're doing. It's not I mean the money people that have given them millions of dollars. That's unfortunate, but the fact that those guys are giving them decades as well. That's the real. That's the only thing I wish somebody would have told me. Like you know, one year in instead of 15 years in, you can't get that time back. So we're trying to help these people. We're trying to get them a little extra time to themselves.
Speaker 2:And sometimes, sometimes, actually often, fairly often we find ourselves in positions of having to do some really hard things, but it's never an option not to. We will always stand up. We will always support people. We will always be here to help people leaving Bottom line. End of story. No questions asked.
Speaker 1:Yes, Luna3120 says. I wouldn't expect you two to be in the same room. My husband and I are computer gamers gamers and we have our own setups.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Luna, I got to tell you a great story. You were just reminding me, here it comes.
Speaker 1:So when we first got out and we, when we were, it was, I want to say it was like 2006.
Speaker 1:We were living in Burbank and I used to I love, I used to love playing video games and I had a gamer and all that good stuff and I used to love to play this game called Call of Duty and I would play it a bunch.
Speaker 1:And Claire was pregnant with our first child and we wanted to or we had just had our by this time, I think we, actually by the time we lived in Burbank, we actually had, um, our first son was born and I'd be playing games and Claire would be around the house and I would, um, you know, I had projects I was working on, but, um, she wanted to play call of duty too. So I set up her computer on the other side of we had an office that we both shared. I said, okay, you set up over there and I'll set up over here. And then I was like, and then I thought you know what? I got a good idea, cause you're just learning how to play. I'm going to teach you how to play, but at first you should just be my spot. So I'm going to be on the allied forces team You're going to be on the other team I had to be.
Speaker 2:How to do this?
Speaker 1:You just tell me where those guys are hiding so I can shoot them, but you're going to be on the team of the guys I'm shooting. Anyway, we did this for a while. It was tons of fun and Claire got to learn how to play and all this other stuff. One day we go to log on, there's a note that says you have been banned from the Call of Duty service. They found out that we were both on the same IP address and we were on different teams.
Speaker 2:I was like yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 1:That's some. In some circles that's considered cheating, anyway. So yeah, we like having our separate setups here. Thank you for that, luna. Okay, I'm going to try to rip through as many of these as possible, because we don't have a lot of time left.
Speaker 2:Well, let's do a giveaway now and then a giveaway in 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I'll give you a 10 minute extension since it's 4 30 oh, it's already 4 30 okay, so get up in the chat, guys if you want um. Uh, yes, I also used to play doom and that is where the ultimate bfg is in doom. Um, I just saw that in one of the comments. Um, if you want um some merch, you gotta get in the comments. Or if you want a book, a blown for good book, you could say book me. You could say merch me, um, whatever you want. Um, you could say anything you want, but book me and merch me are the ones I'm going to respond to, because we're trying to keep this civil, you know you can say Bob.
Speaker 2:And speaking of merch, we have a new Theta potato line coming shortly.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, oh my goodness, theta potatoes. Okay, five, four, three, two and one Cheryl Texacana.
Speaker 2:Texacana.
Speaker 1:Texacana, texacana, cheryl, texacana, me, me, me. Okay, well, you got me me me'd. If you want to send an email to Claire at Blown For Good and go to the Blown For Good store the link is in the description, or the Blown for Good shop, whatever it's called Go in there and pick out something you like and then email a link to that. Declare it Blown for Good dot com and she will send you a link so that you can get it. Look at Cheryl, me, me, me. Cheryl's still going. I'm seeing like 17 more Cheryl'sls. Cheryl, you won, it's done, you won. Oh my gosh, cheryl, please, cheryl, there's. Cheryl might be one of these people that colby was, uh, getting excited about.
Speaker 2:Um she, she finally saw, she says oh my gosh, I saw, she did. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1:Oh, there we go, there you go. She got it tell you. I don't know if that's what paid off or not, cheryl, but I did see many, many, many cheryls. Um, thank you for that. Okay, I'm going to try to get back to these questions. Thank you for that, cheryl. Thank you for participating.
Speaker 1:Um, michelle carpenter mark question do you think that finding yourself in the position you were in towards the end and finding you were good, capable and enjoyed it, help your decision to blow for good? No, I'll tell, I'm not trying to be egotistical or I'm not trying to be rude or I'm not trying to pump myself up, but of the people that were there, I was pretty much a rock star. I was getting a lot of stuff done, no matter what area I got put into. That area ended up doing good after I was in charge of it or after I was doing stuff in there. Sure, I did things.
Speaker 1:Dave Miscavige didn't like every once in a while and pissed him off, but for the most part I was a producer. I was a mover and a shaker, so to speak. So the fact that I gave them 15 years of moving and shaking and they were still willing to throw me under the bus for some stupid thing that I didn't even do. That was the kind of thing that tipped me to like you know what? These guys do not appreciate me, they don't care about me, they don't care about my relationship, because they're always trying to keep Claire and I apart and they're trying to convince her of divorcing me every second week. So I was, you know, I was like you know what. Anything would be better than this. I'm out and I 100% knew Claire would not come with me. She would have 100% ratted me out.
Speaker 1:So the fact that I escaped and then she contacted me, it was a better scenario to get her out than if I would have tried to convince her to come with me. Because that takes a lot. To escape, you have to be willing to get caught and and still try to escape. But if you do get caught, it is they make it almost nearly impossible for you escape a second time. It takes years and years for you to gain their trust back to where you'll have another chance to escape. So when you do it, you got to do it. Is that safe? Is that accurate there, babe?
Speaker 2:That's fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gothenburg is in the same building, door to door, as Sweden's oldest and largest gay bar.
Speaker 2:Oh my, goodness, that's amazing. That's awesome 1.1. 1.1 covert hostility. Yes, that's awesome. Emotional tone scale.
Speaker 1:That's the best. Thank you for that Arnie yes, or Arna Greg Watkins. So how long before Scientology claims that Mike's illness is because of being an SP? Oh, I don't know that they would ever. That's a good question. I don't know that they'd ever. You know, I wouldn't put it past them to stoop so low as to be to. You know, serve up some nonsense like that, but in the Sea.
Speaker 2:Org. We'll be here if they do such a stupid thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, In the Sea Org it is very popular because L Ron Hubbard smoked and David Miscavige smokes. It's very popular to smoke inside the Sea Organization. I think Mike was in the Sea Org. Was he in like 40 something years or whatever it was?
Speaker 2:It was a lot of years, a long time.
Speaker 1:And a lot of those years was smoking. So there are a lot there. I keep saying somebody should do a study. I don't know how you could, but there's a lot of Sea Org members and even Scientologists as well. When they get up to the highest levels of Scientology, cancer gets them. It's a weird thing. I don't know if it's the smoking. I don't know if it's the smoking. I don't know if it's all the niacin and all the vitamins and all the horrible supplements you take, the overdose of calcium and magnesium that they're doing on a regular basis. I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like, of the people that I know in the real world and the people that I know in Scientology, a very huge percentage of the people that I hear about that pass away in science and the Scientology world that I knew it's almost it's. I would say 90% of them is from cancer, some sort of cancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And somebody asked if Scientology will let Mike's kids know, and the answer is affirmatively no, they will not know his children.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, affirmatively no, they will not let his children know. Yeah, Elizabeth, thank you for the super sticker. I appreciate that. I'm trying to get to as many of these as I can. Oh, my goodness, See Assy, See Assy. Isaac Just wanted to say thank you for all you do. Hashtag bike strong. Thank you very much for that.
Speaker 2:Cassie. I appreciate it. Now in the coffee cults and crafts group people call her Casey all the time.
Speaker 1:Kendalings. Claire, are you ever able to slip into a British accent and do you think your mom would leave if she could?
Speaker 2:Wow, and do you think your mom would leave if she could? I can't, no, I can't. There are certain words that I can't say right, such as tour and sixth, but I cannot do it and I always, only ever, wanted an American accent, which is why I worked so hard to get one. And my mom would leave if she divorced my stepfather or if he passed away, and other than that, no, she wouldn't. And even then, yeah, she. Well, anyway, it's fine. The last time I saw her I love you, Mom she hugged me and said she hoped to see me again soon. So that just illustrates 100% that disconnection is about control, leverage and destroying families. Period.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, nancy, ives, claire, loving the lives with you and Amy.
Speaker 2:Yay, thank you. I will not be on the live on Wednesday because, as I've mentioned, we'll be traveling to LA. Didn't quite have the foresight to look ahead to my Wednesdays, but that's all right, I'm getting better.
Speaker 1:Jackie super sticker. Thank you for that, Jackie. Appreciate that. No more cults. I'm glad Christy did an update for mike, happy to hear the doctors have a path to help him.
Speaker 1:My christian family know you have major sptv support absolutely yes, completely um, reese, reese, reese, um, love you guys, love you guys and your merch. Well, thank you. We have been getting a lot of um, uh, favorable comments on the merch and people are sending us If you got merch and you like it, send us a picture of you with the merch. And yeah, we want to see what everybody's wearing out there, so confusing Ken's. Ken's channel says E-meter to catch lying and training how to lie. Mind blown.
Speaker 1:Scientology Only truth is lies. So nice, you have a base from dead. Yes, ken, thank you for that. Yeah, you know, that's the other thing and this is a crazy thing in Scientology. So when you're in Scientology and something bad happens to you, it's because you have done something wrong. That's it. You've done something wrong and that's it. There's no question. It's you did something, or you're withholding something, or if anything bad happens to you, you did something wrong. When things that, uh, when Scientology has wrong things happen to them, it's never them. They've never done anything. It's the craziest thing that they always say the person who's getting in trouble, the person this is happening to, it's always something they did and they have evil thoughts or they have evil deeds, but when Scientology gets in trouble, it's everybody else. We never did anything.
Speaker 2:It's a big misunderstanding.
Speaker 1:Yes, ms Pillow, 100% xenophobic. Yes, there we go I get it xenophobic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, xenu's a good guy. Let's not forget Xenu, lord Xenu, our savior, hail Xenu. He is the he's Scientology's Lex Luthor, essentially, or Thanos, he's Scientology's Thanosuthor essentially, or Thanos he's Scientology's Thanos. Okay, that's it. That's a better he's Lord. He's a galactic, intergalactic overlord. Lord Zinu, okay, this guy's not a, this guy's not small fry. This guy transported billions of people a place that took nine weeks to get here at light speed. Okay, that's not a small task. There's a lot of logistics involved with that and a lot of technology that we don't have access to. So if Xenu is real which Scientologists think he is real the ones who've done OT level three and above they know about Xenu and his superpowers and all this other stuff he has access to. And if you believe that and you think a four foot 13 guy named Dave is gonna over, outdo this intergalactic overlord that's where I think you're is you have misplaced ideas. I don't think that's how it's gonna go.
Speaker 2:So, yes, all yes, all right, five minute warning honey.
Speaker 1:Five minute warning. I'll do this as long as I want. Hey, mark Depeche Mode was on the smart list.
Speaker 2:Yes, I saw that.
Speaker 1:I saw that, Angel. Thank you Pick me. My first real estate deal was today. I did pick you. That was from earlier when I pulled it up.
Speaker 1:I want a mug that says oh my goodness, they're similar. We can do that. Put it on the list. If I see you writing, I know it might happen.
Speaker 1:Michelle R, what would have to happen to make Scientology release everyone from their SP status and allow families to reunite? Oh, there would have to be a cataclysmic event where David Miscavige is no longer in charge of Scientology. There's no way, david Miscavige David, I have, if I get to it. We've been doing so much and we have this special project that we've been working on. But in one of the spy files there's 5,000 spy files, by the way, guys, I have 30 that are on me, there's 5,000 total but in one of those that I was looking through the other day, they actually list out the staff that they're getting rid of and they're going to throw away like trash and they're talking trash about them in the documents where they're saying we're going to throw this person out. They don't care about their members at all, not at all. It's all about the money. They don't care if they get to see their families again. That's like that's not a priority. To see their families again, that's like that's not a priority.
Speaker 2:Um amish seeks or me me is sheiks, me me is seeks. Noob to the channel. I hope that I can ask a scientology question please. Do the big time celebs go through auditing and the bridge, and how come lrh had to do a secret takeover of Gio he's LRH? Could you not just say you're all gone?
Speaker 1:It's a lot of questions there, mish.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, thanks for joining us. Me is seeks. Yes, you can ask a Scientology question. Yes, the celebs go through auditing and the bridge they're required to do that Take over of the GEO. That's because 12 people were put in prison, so they had to disband the Guardian's office and get rid of it and put a new replacement structure that does all the same things, just has a new name, which is Office of Special Affairs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they didn't. Yeah, exactly that's. That's a good answer. Hopefully we answered your question. Satisfactory destiny I'm not big into classic prayers, but change my profile pick and solidarity for Mike. Much love to him and his family. Thank you for that destiny, and she has a little bobblehead Mike, that's very amazing.
Speaker 1:Come visit Shetland Island, scotland. Okay, angel, hey, awesome, put it on the list. Put it on the list, claire. Write it down. Yes, I did. Apollonia Paradise Holy crap, you guys have a lot of great new merch. We do. We have a really do. Most of it is suggestions from you guys. And also, if you have a suggestion and you want us to do something, but you're a creative and you can work your way around Photoshop or InDesign or whatever you use to crank out artwork, send it to us. If it's great and we like it, clara will email you back and we will. We'll make it into something.
Speaker 2:And let me interject. Clara is in the chat. Hey, Clara, we love you. Somebody just made an amazing suggestion, which is that we do a Team Mike mug and I will actually put that on Mike's merch channel on his platform because I have access to do that. So, Clara, if you could bump that to the top of your priority list, that would be amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll put that up on Mike's channel and then if you guys want to support Mike and his family, you can just go over there and get a Team Mike mug and you can donate there and you can donate on Mike Rinder's blog.
Speaker 2:They haven't asked for that, but it's not going to hurt.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I don't think they're going to get mad at us for sending people over there to buy a mug.
Speaker 2:I think it would be okay or to donate, or to donate Absolutely.
Speaker 1:On the way we have our merch store set up. You can just buy merch, or you can just make a straight donation, or you can buy merch and then you know say, put the rest towards a donation, whichever way you guys want to do it. But yeah, we should do that for Mike's channel, let's get that going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Clara already answered. She's on it. She's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yes, perfect, Miss Pillow, again, your videos are so helpful to understanding Scientology and cult slash power structure abuses. Your sunny dispositions and humor make it very digestible cracker licking or not. By the way, I'm xenophobic. I don't know what this means. I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm an anthropocritical. Thank you, Ms Pillow. We appreciate it. Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, right here, Ripley fought the xenomorph in Aliens. Oh, wow, ah Wow, okay, so I get it. Yeah, that's not a good thing. Those are bad guys. We don't like those guys. Those guys, lord Xenu, those guys not the same, not the same. Lord Xenu was just a. He was, he's just an overlord. He doesn't have acid for blood. Okay, thank you, ken's channel um. Best wishes, mike rinder, stay positive and lots of love coming your way. Thank you, k appreciate that, panko.
Speaker 1:Thanks for letting us know about mike. Fans may want to check out his blog link and maybe donate. Yeah, we just said, panko. Just we'll put a link in the description for mike. We'll make a note. Put a link in the description for Mike. We'll make a note. Put a link in the description to Mike's store and then, as soon as we have the Team Mike mug up in his store, we might make those a little teeny bit more expensive so that they can raise some funds, because we're selling a lot of this stuff. We're not selling it, we're keeping the prices pretty low. We're not trying to make a bunch of money off the merch. So we might make that mug a little higher price than the regular mugs. But thanks for that Panko Misbehaving for Goldie's coffee fund. Oh, you got to make a note, it's got to go to Goldie.
Speaker 2:Goldie needs her coffee. I will do that right after this.
Speaker 1:Yep, okay, and Rocky Road Xenomorph is an alien parasite, so body, yes, I get it. Rocky road, thank you, um, yeah, um, xenomorph. That's so funny.
Speaker 1:Bellalotta, everyone wishes that they had a goldie to keep the bs away. I deal with it every day and I wish I had a goldie. I know I don't even know about the bs because of goldie. There could be bs and I just I'm just not aware of it. I also I'm kind of um, I'm kind of like whatever, when people, when people get you know, people want to you know, like all the Scientology trolls on Twitter, I see it and I go, oh, this is not good for you guys. Like when they posted that statement, I was like, oh, this is going to, this is going to backfire horribly. I mark my words. Lisa Dunn, again, slash little. Hi. Mark and Claire Enjoy these chats so much and we love our beautiful SP bracelets. Thank you, lisa. I got a little taken aback because I know another Lisa Dunnigan. She's married to a security guard at the base named Danny Dunnigan, so I did a little double take. I'm sorry for that. You must be a separate person. We're all good.
Speaker 1:And it's also Lisa Dunnigan, little, not. I understand. I understand. I'm just saying it took me a second to go like, wait a minute here, blow me in Chicago, okay. Well, there you go. That's an idea. I was invited to the Chicago or barbecue. They actually asked guests to bring a side dish to the event. I didn't go. Thanks for having a barbecue. Bring some food. That's amazing. Got $3 billion but not enough for potato salad.
Speaker 1:That's a whole new level. Thank you for Bobble Ked Donated to the aftermath. Stay dry and hope your sump pump is working. So Mark stays dry in the basement. I'm in Highlands Ranch. Thank you, holly. And we have a new sump pump and it's working, I hope. But yes, it's been raining a lot here. Guys in Colorado, south Dakota isn't really another country but it's a flyover state so it may as well be. I'm here for all of SPTV. Thank you, rural SD Lawyer. We appreciate it. Kaz Fern says.
Speaker 1:Everyone posting where Shelly made me think of Depeche Mode's. Everything Counts. Yes, thank you very much for that, kaz. I appreciate it. Hubby wears the pants, but I tell him which ones to wear. That sounds very familiar to me. Actually, psp Wolf Got and read my autographed Bone for Good book, bfg copy mug, sptv coffee mug and now using my SPTV mouse pad. I love them all. Also, prayers to Mike Rinder and his family for a swift and complete recovery. Psp Wolf, you are mad crazy with that merch. I got to say that's awesome. Thank you for that. They got everything. They have the whole BFG desk set up. Lm, s-e-k, oh LM, oh boy.
Speaker 2:This is the German quote from Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 1:Flink wie die Windhut, sah wie leder, hart wie Kruppstahl, as swift as greyhounds, tough as leather, hard as Krupp steel. This is the quote from Adolf Adolf.
Speaker 2:Hitler.
Speaker 1:Yeah from Adolf. Wow, that's so crazy that they have this saying for RTC. That's so weird that is so crazy.
Speaker 2:Every time I think about it I get goosebumps all over my body. I'm like no wonder I was fighting this so long. I'm like how can you be hard as cold chrome steel? It doesn't even make sense. I'm like how can you be hard as cold chrome steel? It doesn't even make sense. And now I completely understand why it was so 100% repulsive to me.
Speaker 1:That is crazy Sparky in Oregon. Thank you for that super sticker, lily Mark, I suggested a Kelly to play. I just can't get enough by DM. I think even better you could be singing at the end of your Cracker Liquor ad. Can't get enough by dm. I think even better you could be singing at the end of your cracker liquor ad. Um, yes, unfortunately I know all too well that depeche mode uh has a youtube channel and they would likely strike that. Um, oh, sparky and organ again. Oh no, mr bill, yes, I do uh have a mr bill behind me somewhere I don't know if he's back there by dogs might have stolen it. Was it um novena are? This are a series of prayers, especially in the Catholic church. Thank you, barbara.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 1:That was in regards to that earlier comment that I did not understand, lulu 92. I'm fundraised walk for the American lung association for years in memory of my late grandpa smoked his entire life. This year I'm walking on our mic too. Thank you, amazing.
Speaker 1:And for years in memory of my late grandpa, who smoked his entire life. This year I'm walking in honor of Mike too. Thank you, louie, amazing. Thank you, shannon Graves. I just wanted to say it's great to see your faces. Thank you, shannon, it's great to see you here. Good to see you too.
Speaker 1:Shannon is on a full-time party. I think she's either at a concert or she's at an amusement park, but there is never. It's. It's a lot of fun For a dull moment. Happy birthday to the other graves, shannon. Thank you for that. Theo, theo Steichen. Theo Steichen, Did Claire live in a house that has since been demoed? Did a bunch of folks live in the house Once? I thought you talked about sharing a room. Yes, theo, thank you for that. We lived right next to the International Scientology Base in a town it's called Gilman Hot Springs. The entire town is the Scientology property, but we lived along this road called Sublet Road and there were all these houses directly adjacent to the property and it was on a golf course and that's where most of the RTC and the top executives in the other organizations at the base. They lived in these houses so they could stay as late as possible and still get there without having to wait for travel or have transport, and also so they'd be close, so it's harder to escape.
Speaker 2:And I got to jump.
Speaker 1:OK, I got to jump out.
Speaker 2:But I'm just going to say Clara did the team Mike design. I'm going to go over there right now and add it to Mike's merch store.
Speaker 1:Bye everybody, sorry, awesome guys, I'm going to stay here and answer the last. It's just the last few questions, guys. Anyway, all of those houses that were along the golf course, they were all demolished, every single one of them. So they're no longer there. It's just dirt next to a golf course. Lulu, I did that one. Thank you Shannon. Thank you Miranda.
Speaker 1:Did you guys get new wedding rings when you left? We actually did, we did. We went. I took Claire somewhere in Burbank, some jewelry store and said pick whatever you want, we get rid of the. The ones we had were like a hundred dollars or 200 bucks and for the both we weren't, we didn't have a lot of money, I think actually, my father even paid for the rings that we did have and and he wasn't he didn't have a lot of money either, but he still gave us a few hundred bucks to buy some rings. We got new ones.
Speaker 1:Roberta Alton I joined late. Did something happen to Mike? I hope he's okay and sending him prayers. Yes, it's links in the description. Roberta and his wife did an update on their blog, addison and Steele. Thank you both for everything you do and the whole SPTV crew.
Speaker 1:Addison and Steele is from the Spectator series published in 1711. My BF says it sounds like P-star ugh, not that for sure. My boyfriend sounds like P-star ugh, I don't know what. P-star, p-star, p-star, I don't know. Anyway, addison and Steele Sounds cool. Know, anyway, addison and Steele Sounds cool. Thank you, addison and Steele. I appreciate it. Jennifer Kane, najour, good vibes and prayers for Mike. Sad to hear the news today. Yes, thank you for that, jennifer.
Speaker 1:I went to the Rockies game and, walking back to the parking lot, I walked by Scientology building all lights on and one guy inside figured a security guard, yeah, or the receptionist. Usually they do have one person in and it's just a receptionist, but there is absolutely nothing happening there, except for they used to give out free parking or no. They used to charge for parking, but they're right across from the ballpark, so it was a good place if you wanted to park there, but I think they charged 20 bucks last time I went to there and there's some other lots around there a little cheaper, um, but they do give you a little goodie bag with a bunch of Scientology goodies in it, like uh, books and stuff like that. Um, okay, I'm just getting caught up here, claire. When will you talk about your trial experience?
Speaker 1:Claire did a bunch of videos. She recorded a bunch of videos. I think she called them like the diary of an expert witness or something. I'm pretty sure she'll do something we're going to. We got a trip. When we get back from the trip we'll do it.
Speaker 1:Team Mike Mugg. Please, please, please. Yes, claire's off working on it right now. Elizabeth, thank you for that, claire. Do you know that Gilbert O'Sullivan song? Claire, I Can't Help Singing when you're on SPTV. Claire, I Can't Help Singing. I don't know about that. I'm going to save that one in case she does know about it. Thank you for that, pam.
Speaker 1:I love the idea of Team Mike Mug. I bought a mug from his store that says blah, blah. Maybe have one of those mics. Be on the other side of team Mike Mugg. Yes, absolutely, jennifer. Um, we'll get that done right now. Um, and why don't they do a wellness check on Shelly? Um, I think when Leah called the police, they actually did do a wellness check and they made contact with her when she was with her handlers. But yeah, kat, kat, I did it. Kat, I did it. Gave up on winning a bobblehead and bought one. Will buy Mike mug to ASAP. Please share his store I couldn't find. Yes, absolutely, we'll do that. Thank you, kat, I did it. I think that's it guys. Here'll do that. Thank you, can. I did it? Um, I think that's it guys. Um, here's one um question. Do either of you know Joe R DMs stepfather?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Joe reach. Um, he did a very interesting with Tony O recently. Yeah, there's actually a bunch of um stories about Joe on Tony's blog. Um, over the several years ago he was pretty active talking out and doing his story. But yeah, he got declared a suppressive person a long time ago and he hasn't had any contact with his own kids or the other Masterson kids.
Speaker 1:Whistleblower Goodwitch says what in Xenu's name is a theta potato? Please, oh, I don't remember. Somebody's gonna have to tell me what episode we talked about that. I think it was on a live. There was a um, there was a parking maid that was giving scientologist tickets and there was a scientologist who had put quarters in the meters and he postulated with his Scientology superpowers. He postulated a Theta Potato in the tailpipe of the meter maid and the meter maid's car broke down outside of the organization and a tow truck had to come and it's a whole story that went around in Los Angeles about how this guy made this meter maid's car break down using his OT special powers and that's where the Theta potato comes from.
Speaker 1:Thanks for doing Valerie. Thanks for Valerie. Valerie is in here a lot. I've seen her many, many times over the past few months. Thanks for doing a live stream on my birthday adds to my day. Well, thank you for being here, valerie. You didn't have to do that on your birthday and go have fun and go have a great birthday.
Speaker 1:Russ T aftermath foundation question Do you get many people who need help leaving because they're in the wrong country and can't afford to travel? Yeah, we just recently helped out somebody that was in another country and they need to get back to the United States and um, and we helped them and we've helped people go to other countries from the United States. We've helped. I mean I bought one early before the foundation days. I paid for a kid to go to London to go fight his mom and his mom was here in the States. Oh, my goodness. Okay, that's the Gilbert O'Sullivan one. I'm sorry I can't ask her about that right now.
Speaker 1:Thank you guys for tuning in. Thanks for all you guys that watched to the very end and it's right, at two hours. We just ticked to two hours, just like I said we would do, because I know how long it takes to do this. If you guys can remember, check in the description for the link to the Mike store If it's not there now, as soon as I end this stream, I'm going to add it to the Mike store and if you can go over there and pick up a team Mike mug, that would be amazing, and otherwise we will see you guys on the next one. And yeah, thanks for tuning in. Thanks for watching. If you'd like to help support the channel, feel free to check out the merch store link in the description.
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