Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
What They Don’t Want You to Know About Xenu and Scientology - Scientology Stories #52
This episode explores the enigmatic figure of Xenu, a central yet often misunderstood character in Scientology’s theology. We delve into the many levels of secrecy surrounding Xenu's existence and relationship to the higher tiers of the Scientology belief system. Discussions dive into the Birthday Game, a metric-based celebration in Scientology, revealing how it draws many into an illusion of growth within the Church.
- Overview of Xenu and his significance in Scientology
- The cultural implications of discussing aliens in the Church
- Insights into the Birthday Game and its internal metrics
- Personal reflections from former Scientologists regarding their beliefs
- Examinations of David Miscavige’s leadership and its effects on the Church
- Exploration of how these narratives contrast with current realities in Scientology
If you're intrigued by the dynamics of belief and how they shape human experience, join us for this exploration of Xenu’s iconic yet controversial legacy!
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welcome to the channel, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Scientology stories. I'm joined by my wife, claire here today, here today.
Speaker 2:Thank you for joining us. Happy Sunday to everybody.
Speaker 1:As usual, if we've got, we do have a giveaway today, right?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I've got to put up the thing that says today's words. Today's giveaway word is Hail Xenu, and if you want to let us know where you're coming, we're okay we're having. Oh, um, if you want to let us know where you're coming, um, where, okay, we're having. Oh, it's just something. Streamer, it's telling me that, uh, one of the uh rumble didn't like anything. Okay, um, yeah. So tell us where you're watching from today and then, um, just if you add hashtag hail Z new um to that, then you will be entered in to our giveaway. Today, we'll usually give away something from the BFG merch store, whether it's a hoodie or a book or any of those things.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Zinu. It occurred to me when we were getting ready for this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's a good thing you never did the OT levels, because you never would have shut up about Zinu.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so that's true, everybody knows. So everybody knows. When I was in Scientology, I never knew about Xenu.
Speaker 1:There was one time when a contractor was actually with me, an outside vendor was with me at the international base and we were going through a bunch of different computer systems that we were going to put together and he was going to supply the computers. And we were in the parking lot we're just about to leave and we're outside smoking a cigarette and he goes hey man, so is all this stuff about the space aliens real? And I was like, what are you talking about, dude? I was like I don't know anything about aliens. And he was, um, he'd obviously been on the internet and seen some stuff, but yeah, I had no idea what he was talking about. So I kind of just blew it off, which is the reason why if you do talk to a Scientologist and you ask them about the aliens, if they're not up to operating Thetan level three, then they genuinely do not know about the aliens. And that is one of the reasons some of you may think, like what's mark's deal with all the aliens?
Speaker 2:me included. Can you get off of it already?
Speaker 1:um, let me take this banner off. Um, but scientologists that are watching these videos. They're not allowed to talk about the alien stuff and Xenu and body thetans and all that. So they, whether you guys realize this or not, but there are a lot of Scientologists that watch our channel and so it's kind of like. I guess for them it's like going up to the lake and in the car and going and kissing. They're kind of being naughty watching these videos because they get to hear about all the escapades of Xenu and so on.
Speaker 1:Anyone in Scientology to deal with us or watch our videos or comment on the videos, if we talk about OT3 and we talk about Xenu, then that cuts off about 90% of the Scientologists that can fair game us or engage with us and only the people, the operatives within OSA that are OT3 or above, can be assigned to do anything or comment or troll us or anything like that.
Speaker 1:Because we're going to tell them about the Z News story. And, just for good measure, this is the L Ron Hubbard's handwriting of the OT3. That is his actual handwriting and you can see the head of the Galactic federation, 76 planets around larger stars visible from here, and it goes on and it tells the entire story of xenu and how he brought all these uh people to t, to tgac that's what earth was called in the galactic federation. They referred to it as tgac, according to hubbard, anyway. Um, so when, when we talk about these upper level materials, it just it's just another thing, that kind of messes with those guys. So, and it's fun, I like it, I like Zinu, he's, he's my homeboy, okay.
Speaker 2:And it does kind of prove the point too that you're not going to die from pneumonia by learning about this, as you, as you proved, oh yeah, you read all the ot levels in one sitting yeah, when claire this night when you were like, okay, honey, I'm gonna do a test, so if I die tomorrow, it's all true, and you were right, and not that I was right, you know, hubbard was right. If I'm, if I'm gone tomorrow, it's been real.
Speaker 1:I love you yeah, we watched the south park episode. This is when we first escaped from Scientology, like I wouldn't say like a month or two after we had left and I was watching this episode of South Park and they start talking about all the Xenu and all this stuff and I'm and Claire's not watching, she's off somewhere else doing something which was intentional, by the way.
Speaker 2:I was terrified. I was like I can't be watching that. That's suppressive man.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So she comes, like she's like off to the side in the bedroom or something like that. I remember it to this day. I'm sitting on the couch, I'm watching this and it breaks for a commercial and it says on the bottom of the South Park episode if you haven't seen it, you've got to watch it. It's called Trapped in the Closet. That's the name of the episode and it shows at the bottom of the screen.
Speaker 1:This is what Scientologists actually believe they have, that it's called a lower thirds in the broadcast world. But they have this basically title at the bottom of the screen and it's playing through the entire time. They're talking about xenu and the galactic federation and all the body, thetans. And so she comes up and I look over and I go, is this for real? And she had done up to operating level five by the time we escaped in 2005. So she goes basically pretty much yeah, and I was like you've got to be kidding me. And then I thought about that guy who asked me about the aliens. He knew more than I did. Yeah, he was only at the base for an hour or two and he already knew more yeah, and I think I should add to my comment that I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2:It's not that I believed it or anything, but at that point they still had leverage, imagined leverage, that I felt like, oh, if, if I watch, if I don't watch it, then there's a chance I might ever be able to talk to my family ever again. And then, of course, you know well, the rest is history. On that, disconnection is alive and real folks that ship sailed yep but um, I was, your mind wiped me.
Speaker 2:I was gonna tell something else about the, about the guy you were talking to, about the aliens I don't remember, anyway come back um south park it's all good, it's all good, but anyway the all good, but anyway.
Speaker 1:The thing I was going to say, though, is that, oh yeah. So after I watched the episode, I was like that's not, that's no way, that can be real. And then so I went on the internet, and I did find Operating Thetan level three, four, five, six, and I read every single one cover, cover to cover, every single thing that I could find on the internet, and so, by the end of the night, I was OT eight, Okay and um, and I thought to myself, and I, and we, literally I said to Claire, we got into bed, excuse me, and I said hey, if I don't wake up in the morning, then you know, that was it, man. I jammed all those OT levels down tonight all in one sitting, and then, the next morning, when I woke up and I went, I literally took a deep breath and went not even a sniffle.
Speaker 1:Anyway, today's video we are going to talk about L Ron Hubbard's birthday when we were in Scientology. L Ron Hubbard's birthday is celebrated every single year. It's March 13th is his actual birthday. We did absolutely zero research for this job. When was he born? 1918?, 1911,?
Speaker 2:I think, 1911.
Speaker 1:He's going to be like a hundred and something years if he was still around, but he was born in Nebraska, in Tilden, nebraska. So for all you other people, myself included, that were born in Nebraska yeah, it's a bummer, but it is a fact he was born there. And so in Scientology they have this thing where every year they have an event and it's called the L Ron Hubbard Birthday Day event or birthday event. Yeah, the birthday event over the world in Scientology. But they usually do an event like an actual presentation somewhere and that's just called the March 13th event. And when we worked at the International Base, there's a lot of preparations and production and all these things that have to get done in preparation for the events and as part of the event, they always tell you the story of L Ron Hubbard's birthday and they basically go through.
Speaker 2:Well. So so, backing up for a minute, there is a policy that's called. It's a LRHED 339R, blue on white, whatever five pages, and in it LRH Hubbard says well, I would always get asked what I want for my birthday, and so, no, I don't want anything. All I want is the expansion of Scientology, and I want you to have 5.4X the statistics internationally. And that's what I want for my birthday. And thus the birthday game was born.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so now the thing you got to dig is that Scientology when it was first kind of getting going in the 1950s, it was all about Dianetics, dianetics, dianetics, and then over the years that evolved into Scientology, involved into Scientology and Hubbard was being he was basically being sought after by the United States authorities for possibly starting a little scam cult thing going here, and so he fled to England. And when he fled to England he got this castle or kind of this, this mansion in the countryside in East Grinstead Um, what is that? Uh, sussex, east Grinstead, um, and West Sussex.
Speaker 1:West.
Speaker 2:Sussex.
Speaker 1:And um, and he bought this place called St Hill and he started basically a Scientology organization at this mansion and people would fly from all over the world to get audited, get to do the Scientology counseling, and get audited by Hubbard himself possibly, or by somebody that Hubbard was training on how to do the counseling or the Scientology auditing, and um.
Speaker 1:And so there was hundreds and hundreds of people there, and later on, when L Ron Hubbard wrote this birthday game executive directive, he told the story of St Hill and how many people were there and how many students were on course and how many auditing hours were being done each week, and so they had all these metrics by which they could measure this place called St Hill.
Speaker 1:And so when he wrote this, he said he had asked the executives of Scientology, instead of giving him a new tie or a new sports coat or a car or whatever, what he'd like is he'd like expansion, and if they could expand Scientology organizations by the metric of 5.4x.
Speaker 1:And that's what he basically said when Scientology was first started and then the boom happened to go to St Hill, it was multiplied by 5.4, x, and so he asked them to do this, and then they did it. And so then he said the birthday game was born. And then so every year from then on, all of the different organizations would compete against each other using a key set of metrics in Scientology organizations the number of auditing hours, how many students are in the course room, how many new people they're getting in all these different metrics, and each of the metrics sort of measured the overall production of an entire Scientology organization, so that they could see, and if those statistics were 5.4 times the amount they were before, then that the organization could continue to thrive and get bigger and make money and the staff could get paid and all these other things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then the other part of it too that was covered in that directive, which never happened in the 30 years that I was in Scientology, is that when an organization achieved that St Hill size status and were awarded that, then the universe core was supposed to come in and audit the staff to the upper levels.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So that's another thing that he basically said in this ED is if you, if you win against all of the other organizations, if you're the winner of the birthday game, it would almost follow that you would be St Hill size, the size of old St Hill back in the 1960s Hill back in the 1960s and so every year at the birthday event, they would also announce any organizations that had achieved St Hill size. And, as part of this, if your organization achieved St Hill size, then the universe core, which is this group of these hotshot Scientology auditors they, a team of them, would come to your organization and they would audit all of the members of Scientology, the staff members, the workers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, they were supposed to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's what he's wrote in this thing that they would come and they would audit you all the way up the OT levels. Now, something else that David Miscavige entered into this is that when all organizations reached the size of old St Hill, then OTs 9 and 10 would be released. And so there was this big push for everybody who was a clear to get to OT1. And if you were an OT3 to get to OT8. And basically everybody had to get all the way up to the top of the Scientology counseling because they're going to release OT9 and OT10.
Speaker 1:And so this birthday game was a way for all Scientologists to sort of be rallied around the same thing get themselves all the way up the OT levels, get as many people into Scientology in their area so that their organization could go St Hill size or joining staff or whatever it was to make their organization as big as this, the St Hill back in the sixties, and based on this L Ron Hubbard executive directive, then they then Scientology would clear the planet. Yep, so that is sort of the story of L Ron Hubbard's birthday and how that went. Okay, and when we, when, when we were in Scientology everyone in Scientology knows about the birthday game. There's no way you don't know this is happening and you know the whole story we just told you and why and what we're going to get and all these other things.
Speaker 2:Not many people know about Xenu, but everybody knows about the birthday game Not many people know about Xenu, but everybody knows about the birthday game.
Speaker 1:That's right. They know 100% about the birthday game, okay. So basically that's the bit and that's what they. The birthday event where they celebrate in Scientology. They do this every year. They have the L Ron Hubbard birthday event and they go around and they show. The theme of that event is expansion and how Scientology is expanding all over the world.
Speaker 1:Now that's tough in today's age because this has been sort of documented. Now, with AI and other new technologies, scientology may have had around 65,000 people total that were going into organizations and taking courses and doing things. It's height it might be. For a while we thought it was 100,000. It actually might be closer to 60,000, based on analyzing all the magazines. They said how many people completed and who was active in all of the different countries. So in the 80s they were probably in the 60, 65, 60,000. And since then they have been contracting nonstop. Since then they have been contracting nonstop.
Speaker 1:Basically since L Ron Hubbard's death in 1986, in January of 1986, scientology was on a kind of a gradual, steady decline. And then when David Miscavige released what he dubbed the golden age of technology within the Scientology sphere, then statistics steadily, even dived even further down, and that was in 1996, 1995-ish, mid-90s. Scientology went even down further and that also coincided with release of the operating Thetan levels and pretty much all of the FBI files on Scientology, how Scientology perpetrated large infiltration in the United States government and its history All of those documents in the that was. That happened in the seventies and the early eighties, but all of those documents are on the internet. You can read all about Scientology and Operation Snow White and Operation Freakout and Operation Bloody Butt and all these other crazy things that are on the internet, and so the more information people have on Scientology, the less people get into Scientology. This is an inoculation session right now, okay, so you don't fall prey to Scientology in there Nonsense, anyway. So that's the story of the birthday, okay, the birthday game and Elron Humbert's birthday. Okay, fast forward to early 2000s.
Speaker 1:First of all, when we were working at the international headquarters no-transcript I was quality control for the broadcast truck, all different things. As part of that, when you're producing these videos, we have to shoot a video of this organization that's gone St Hill size, and in order to do that, we have to show all these different metrics in real life, not just on a graph. And one of the ways we do that was we would just get people in off the street and dress them and put them in the course room to show that the course rooms were full. There weren't students in the course room, which is what the metrics measure. The course rooms were empty and we'd fill them for the video to show that they were full. And the same thing with the, the different, different statistics. We would never, we would sometimes not show the figures, we just show the graph and there's no figures on the graph. So if they doubled the amount of pre clears in the, in the, in the, the, the people getting counseling in the organization, oh what?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Can you guys still hear us? Can you still hear us? Oh, what, the what, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Hold on what just happened.
Speaker 1:We had a blackout. We're still here, we're still recording.
Speaker 2:Oh, we can hear.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know we can hear us, but we don't have any video. So hold on, hold on. Okay, oh, you know what that video, so hold on, hold on okay, oh, you know what that was me. There you go. Sorry, you're good. Somehow I hit the fade to black, oh sorry about that, guys.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, that's a new one I don't even know where that button is.
Speaker 1:So, uh, take it easy. You know, I think I was waving my hand and I did a little flippy flip. Yep, okay, that's me, dr's me, dr. Talk with his hands, okay. Not the first time that's happened, nor will it be my hands down here, bts activate, okay, so I don't remember. I wore oh, we're putting these events together.
Speaker 2:We're having to make up stories fake videos.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's a little bit of a clue to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know if this birthday game thing is all cracked up to be what it's supposed to be Right, because you're going to these big, shiny organizations that have allegedly achieved this amazing, legendary status of St Hill size and yet, in reality, the week before they were auditing one person and now they're auditing two people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say. They doubled, but they just went from one to two and you're supposed to have like 200 or 150 or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway. Okay, so over the years we're seeing there's there's a little bit of fudging going on here. There's definitely we're fudging this. This is not legit for sure, and this happens everywhere. And the people that are in these places, that's another thing. You just the cognitive dissonance is astounding.
Speaker 1:There's people that live and work in the area. Like, if you're in let's just talk about where the Ohio Scientology Center. There's people that live in Ohio. They've been to the org. There's nobody ever in there and there's nobody on course. There's nobody getting counseling, there's nobody walking in the front door.
Speaker 1:And then they see the crew come here to shoot this video and they're like, hey, you got to come into the org and sit in the course room because we're doing a video, so they are part of it too. We would get as many Scientologists into the place to do it, but then we'd also spike the deck and just get people off the street too. I mean, if there's 30 seats and we get 20 Scientologists, there's going to be 10 people off the street. Or even sometimes I'll tell you we would dress up the staff of the Scientology organization and take them, take their uniforms off and put on civilian clothes and then have them sit in the course room. So even the people that are watching the video are seeing the course supervisor sitting in the seat being a student as part of the video.
Speaker 1:They're seeing all this Everyone. That's why when you, when you say there's a lot of cognitive dissonance in Scientology, scientologists see these things here and there and they notice things and they hear things and people get sent off to for a project and you never see them for 10 years and it was up because they were on the rehabilitation project, the uh prison camp or whatever anyway. So that's the birthday game. That's a bunch of that stuff. Now fast forward to the early 2000s, when the hole was created by David Miscavige and they would have these things. What would you call them?
Speaker 2:group confessions, david Miscavige would order that basically, all the top executives are losers and they're out ethics and they're off purpose and they're not getting his orders done. So therefore he would. He would say that's it, you're all in treason, you're not going to do anything until you've confessed to your crimes. And the format that would take was group confessions of literally a giant conference room with all these management executives just confessing to alleged crimes. That would explain why they weren't getting David Miscavige's orders done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Now here's the clincher Almost all of those executives were the same executives that were in Scientology when L Ron Hubbard told them. I want you to 5.4 times the statistics and get them up to the size of Old St Hill.
Speaker 1:Right, which was in the 80s, which was in the 80s, and we're talking about Mark Yeager, guillaume Lasserve, ray Midoff, mark Ingber, all these cats that were the head executives, executive director, international commanding officer, commodore's messenger organization international, the senior case supervisor, international case supervisor international. All these got the watchdog committee chairman. All of these guys were the ones that were in charge of Scientology when Hubbard was dictating and telling them what they're supposed to be doing. Because he wasn't supposed to be running Scientology, because the government was trying to prove the Nerman and he was benefiting. It was a nonprofit. He was getting all the money. It wasn't going to anybody else. He's not paying anybody anything, it's all going to him. So he was managing Scientology, but these guys were supposed to be the guys doing it and he was just telling them what to do anyway.
Speaker 1:So in I was in some of these group confessions that had to take place and I'm sitting in there and these guys are admitting that they falsified the statistics to L Ron Hubbard when he told them to 5.4 X, all the statistics and get the organizations up to size of old St Hill. And they lied. They told him he wasn't anywhere near Scientology. He was in the middle of the California at a horse ranch in Creston, or he was in Hemet, california, walking down the street looking like Colonel Sanders. He wasn't doing anything with Scientology.
Speaker 1:So they basically lied to him and the person that was in charge of getting messages to L Ron Hubbard was David Miscavige. So they would say these are the reports of what's happening in Scientology and they would write those up and they would give them to Miscavige. And Miscavige would bring them to this guy named Pat Broker and Pat Broker was the one actually with Hubbard and then they would meet at a phone booth off of a highway in Riverside and then they would exchange these packages to them, to Dave, and Dave would give all the messages from the management to Pat and then he'd take them to Hubbard and they would do this handoff. David Miscavige didn't know where Hubbard was. Pat knew where he was and they had all these ways. They would go and blacked out vans, and they would. If you went to the international headquarters you had to be blindfolded so you couldn't see where you were going, even though it's like just off of Highway 79.
Speaker 2:All because Hubbard didn't want to get caught by the government and by the authorities.
Speaker 1:Because somebody didn't want to trace something to the international headquarters and then be able to trace it from the international headquarters to then to the Pat and Dave meeting and then follow Pat to get to Hubbard. Okay, so I'm sitting here in these meetings, I'm going to hold on a second. The whole thing about the, the whole, this whole birthday game, the whole thing is all based off of this thing that he said, hey, 5.4, x, the statistics, and then they did it, and then the birthday game was born. It was all bullshit. They never did anything. They falsified all the statistics. And here's the clincher guys. They've been doing it the entire time. It's never changed. And Dave, he knew this the whole time because he was the one passing the messages. He knew Scientology wasn't expanding, but he was passing it on, so he had something on them. And when he took over he was like I know all the nonsense you guys all been up to and I'm going to tell everybody about it, unless I get to take over and you guys all do what I say.
Speaker 1:He's just the giant dirt collector, yeah this was how David people go like well, how did he do this? And how did he basically was collecting dirt on folks and even Pat Broker, who also, when he was bringing messages to Hubbard, he was also bringing bankers, boxes of cash to Hubbard, because Hubbard insisted that they were stealing and losing his money, which they were, David Miscavige and these guys were in. They got 30 million they lost in bad oil, fake oil, wills in Oklahoma and 30 million whatever they were gambling in Vegas and they were up to all kinds of nonsense. But Broker had been skimming a little off the top himself and because he was taking cash from different locations to Hubbard, he was basically carrying large amounts of cash over state lines which you're not supposed to do. It's not the most legal thing.
Speaker 1:And because Miscavige had been keeping track of all the amounts and where Pat was going to, he knew that he was going to Arizona or he knew he was going to Vegas or he knew he was coming from here to California. He just didn't know where in California or where in Arizona or where in whatever state Hubbard was hiding out in. And so because he had dirt on Pat and he had dirt on everybody else, he got rid of Pat, because L Ron Hubbard may or may not have told Pat he was going to take over, but Pat made it look like Hubbard was going to let him take over, and so David Miscavige was having none of that and he ratted all these guys. He basically he had dirt on all sides so he could take over and nobody could contest him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, to be fair, actually I think that's a huge part of why the hole was created and why those executives were put in lockup and have been vanished off the face of Scientology completely is because those people, including Shelley Miscavige, are the ones who do actually know the truth. No public Scientologist knows what did or didn't happen in regards to David Miscavige taking over Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the whole reason of today's video is this birthday game idea and that in Scientology it's sort of a sacred thing, this whole birthday game idea, and it's a bunch. It's basically all based on a bunch of lies that never happened and all of the executives of Scientology know this. They know all about all this. And even over the years, all of these places that they've determined were St Hill size have all not really been that and they've all failed or closed or moved. Or if you walk in there today, there's seven people in there, including the staff or whatever it is. It's a bunch of nonsense and the craziest part of it is that all Scientologists know this but none of them acknowledge it.
Speaker 1:And even so, much to the point that when Hubbard, when Miscavige, realized that the St Hill size thing was a dud and they're never going to be able to do it, he changed the requirement to release OTs 9 and 10 to all organizations need to be ideal orgs. So this ideal org standard, it's not a metrics-based standard anymore, it's a building-based standard and the strategy switched over to this is Miscavige. This is all Miscavige. L Ron Hubbard, in Hubbard policies and Scientology policies, has stated that the exact opposite of what the ideal organization program should be. He said you don't need fancy quarters, you don't need snazzy this, you don't need real estate, you just need to counsel and deliver Scientology technology to the people, and your organization will be giant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Hubbard said too no fundraising, no donations.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:None of that.
Speaker 1:That's right. Hubbard said that. He basically said there's two. That's a good point. He said there's two things that are forbidden in Scientology conventions, or what they now call events. Hubbard said never to do those and he said don't do fundraising. And those are the two things that Miscavige solely does. Now he just gets. They basically buy status in Scientology Patron glutus maximus more meritorious.
Speaker 1:And they give him $10 million and he gives them like a just giant bowling statue and but these things are expensive, like some of these trophies are like 10,000 bucks for these Scientologists. I don't even know where you put them. You have to have a custom stand just to hold these things Anyway, so that's so. That's sort of the. It became by historic buildings and and some of these buildings are so big when and this is one of the last kind of things when they when right before we left was when the ideal org thing was really taking off in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And I had to. I was doing the audio visual and all these. I went to New York. I did a bunch of stuff in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1:I had guys when we went to Africa and we were putting in theaters and we were putting in new projection screens and motor we were, we were getting a ton of dough to trick out the audio visual for these new ideal organizations. And we had we, we had just done one in Boston, no, buffalo, we had done one in Buffalo and we we got. We said hey, what's happening? Why can't you guys use this projection screen? The place was just went ideal and they just got all this new stuff and we needed them to take a picture of their theater and operations so that we could, we could do components on our end that we had done the stuff we were supposed to do and submit it. And they said we can't. We can't do it because when we were, when they were testing the heaters, theyers, the air conditioner was too close to the projection screen and we cooked the screen. It's all brown, it's burnt. It almost caught on fire and we had been trying to get them to fix this and then they told us oh, it's not a problem, we're going to be able to fix it next week.
Speaker 1:And I said, well, what about the heat? And they said we don't have enough money to pay the heating bill. So they turned off the heat so that we're not, we can do it, we can do the work. We need to do it. We won't. I'm like, well, what about the heat? We don't have enough money. We're going to have to figure out what. That's another problem, and I'm thinking to myself this place just wasn't announced as an ideal organization like a few months ago. And they don't have enough money to pay the heating bill, buffalo. So, and that the staff don't have enough. They get all these fancy uniforms. They don't have enough money to dry clean them and they're not allowed to wash them because they're dry clean. Only kind of really fancy suits, these little um, maitre d and like valets, valet, uh, park parking guy suits that the scientologists wear.
Speaker 2:Little vampires, little parking that replaced the vampires sailor uniforms, the yeah, navy nautical knockoff uniforms david miscavige gets a lot of flack.
Speaker 1:Fake navy davy gets a lot of flack for the fake navy stuff. So they've kind've kind of shifted away from the naval look the sea organization. They're not trying to be so much sea anymore and just organization.
Speaker 2:But, by the way you know, the other reason that they made that shift is because, with the sea organization and the terms and everything else, he is Captain David Muscavige and that then justifies in any lawsuits that he should be served and he should have to be deposed and should have to answer for what's going on because he runs everything which he does. But there's nothing that terrifies David Miscavige more than the possibility of being deposed.
Speaker 1:I just wanted to show this just because it's funny. Love Food Kitchen. Thanks for the comment. She said Tom Cummins used to have all his bowling trophies in his office. Imagine having a business meeting with him and having try not to snigger at the ugly trophies all over the place. Oh, don't you know it. The reason I wanted to read this is my sister, stephanie. I'm not going to say her last name, just because I'm Long time. Well, I wasn't going to dox her, I didn't say it. Anyway, that's all.
Speaker 2:Took me on for took me a second.
Speaker 1:It was that one.
Speaker 2:Not me. I didn't say it, I said the first sound.
Speaker 1:Anyway, my sister works for Tom Cummins, or she did a few years ago. Somebody that worked there told me Anyway, tom Cummins is a bigwig Scientology guy down in, I want to say, in Florida, in the Tampa area, maybe Miami, and he is one of their big guys. Now he's got a big company. He basically resells utilities in different places, like in Florida, maybe elsewhere as well, and he gives a lot of dough. I think he's given tens of millions of dollars to Scientology Anyway, so, so Scientology celebrates.
Speaker 1:The thing they celebrate on March 13th, when it all comes down to it, is expansion, and so it's funny that they've been contracting since the 1980s steadily and they're having an event every year to talk arguably that they are expanding is their real estate holdings, from getting money from wealthy Scientologists and turning that into real estate. And they're just. They basically are a giant real estate investment corporation that holds the real estate and they're only buying historic properties. Real estate is and the and the they're only buying historic properties. They're renovating these properties mostly with free sea organization, labor free, meaning you know they're paying cents on the dollar. I think the last we heard they were. We heard that they had raised the seahorse, paid, I think a hundred dollars in some places yeah, or 75 and and it's being paid by direct deposit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that they cannot not pay that's right and um, and then somebody told me that they'd lowered it back down again. So I don't know the current, but even if you're paying somebody a hundred bucks a week and they're working this, the regular c-org schedule, the bare minimum c-org schedule, is 100 hours a week. The general Sea Org schedule that Sea Org members actually do is 120.
Speaker 2:And the reduced schedule is like 80. No, yeah, yeah, exactly 40 to 80 is reduced like when you're in your 70s.
Speaker 1:If you're elderly, they give you an 80-hour week or maybe a 40-hour week if you're elderly. I never got to say this Okay, where's my camera? Give me this camera. Okay, give me right down the barrel. Somebody commented I said 65 was the retirement or was considered elderly. And somebody out there I'm going to say they were over 65 or 65 or older. They crawled up those comments and were like 65 is not considered elderly. I don't know where you're getting your information. That's not when you get into retirement. Anyway, I Googled that and it is 65 is when all that stuff starts Retirement, elderly, cheaper coffee at McDonald's and like a half-priced McMuffin All that stuff starts at 65.
Speaker 2:Maybe they were from a different country and it's different in other countries, who knows? I?
Speaker 1:don't know, but 65 is considered elderly. That's when elderly-nism starts, Anyway, I was so waiting to tell that and I always forget it was months ago whenever this happened. Anyway, I was so waiting to tell that and I always forget it was months ago whenever this happened, anyway but also okay.
Speaker 2:So before we dive off and get into comments and stuff, to the other pieces, there are two main theories of what Hubbard's plan was when he died.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Number one is he was going off to target two, whatever that might be undefined target two, which means I guess planet earth was target one. But then, more importantly, there was an advice, a confidential written document from Hubbard that nobody other than high level like David Miscavige and Shelley and so forth could know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Let me just say the reason it was called an advice is because he wasn't supposed to be managing Scientology. So everything that he wrote to them, it was tight. They titled them advice so that he wouldn't get in trouble if they found all these documents out of all these documents. So it's the craziest thing to this day, all of those, that whole body of documents from that time period, are all referred to as the advices. That's how they talk to them. So you know, like when there's the commandments and there's this, the book of this they have in Scientology, they have the same thing. There's those are advices, these are, and these are his research notes, and these are the policies and these are, these are and these are his research notes, and these are the policies and these are the bulletins and these are the executive directives and these are the flag orders. And they have what is the those tabs, the auditor bulletin, and they have all these different bodies of technology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and not to go down a separate rabbit hole no-transcript thing.
Speaker 1:There was a project for a long time to take these advices and then issue them as executive orders or executive directives or in the in in in the golden era productions, we have these things called CINI executive directives, cini standing for cinematography. So almost all of those that body of advices were turned into executive direct. The dude's gone and dead now, so it doesn't matter if he was running it or if he wasn't or you know whatever. So they just issued those all as permanent policies for the seat for the C organization unit known as golden era productions. They have that body of what they refer to as technology to go from and some of these things.
Speaker 1:I mean there was no internet back then, there was no digital audio, there was no, and these are all and there's. And there was no internet back then, there was no digital audio, there was no video like high-definition 4K video. So a lot of these policies and a lot of these directives are based on technology from the 70s and the early 80s and um, yeah, but there is a computerized database that has libraries of every single one of these bodies of information.
Speaker 1:Lecture and what's it called? Sir and what does service stand for?
Speaker 1:source information retrieval that's the system and depending on what security clearances you have in the C organization you are, these bodies or these directories of technology are opened up to you. So if you're not up at the international level, you don't have access to cinematography, the cine, eds or certain things. And if you're in golden era productions, you don't necessarily have all the access to the advices that deal with management. You only have the advices which are dealt with golden era productions were supposed to abide by.
Speaker 2:So, for example, author services had their own set. Religious technology center, which is David Miscavige's organization, had its own set. And, by the way, one of those advices is where Hubbard says oh, religion is a, an implant to control people on the whole track.
Speaker 1:Yeah, isn't that one of the RTC advices? Yeah, yeah. So then that's where he does detail out the purpose of Religious Technology Center and the Church of Spiritual Technology and all these different authored services and all these organizations that kind of nobody knows about. They were all created in the early 80s, before Hubbard's death, on the advice of attorneys and people trying to reorganize Scientology. So they could never get to Hubbard and it would always end. There was enough cutouts and enough in between men on the money and the money he was getting Intentional, elaborate corporate structures of layer upon layer upon layer.
Speaker 2:that we've has been well documented at various different times. But back to the back from the rabbit hole. We just went down about the advices, the point being one theory was that Hubbard was going off to Target too. Yeah, but the other one was an advice that said he was coming back by a certain date, that's right. That date is now like close to almost like 15, 20 years ago.
Speaker 1:The date was in 2007. Yeah, and he told Ray Midoff the date Right. And he also this is another funny thing David Miscavige would give Ray Midoff a crap about this all the time, like it was a regular thing for years and years and years that Hubbard essentially told Ray Midoff what OT nine and 10 were. He explained to it because Ray Midoff would audit L Ron Hubbard on these levels that Hubbard would create. Then he would tell Ray Midoff or somebody, one of the gentlemen who did a lot of that, what was? The guy who was the big SP of the 1980s?
Speaker 2:Oh no, david Mayo.
Speaker 1:David Mayo was one, a person that audited Hubbard on the L rundowns and different OT levels and stuff, and he, hubbard, would tell him what the counseling was supposed to be, and then David Mayo would put L Ron Hubbard on the e-meter and then he would do the procedures and whatever.
Speaker 1:Anyway, ray Midoff was another one of these guys that Hubbard had entrusted with the technology that he was going to leave behind and um, and ray midoff just forgot what ot9 and 10 was, just just like spaced it. Also there's somebody asked this in a comment, um on a video the other day and I'll just say um, he asked if, uh, lsd being a disqualification for the C organization when that sort of happened, if that was a result of the government doing all these experiments and kind of secret programs dosing people with LSD. And I think the answer to that is that Hubbard, a large majority of the people that joined the Sea Org in its early days in the the 70s and the 80s, had taken LSD, and so Hubbard spent hundreds and thousands of hours trying to fix these people. That would just trip balls in the middle of the day when they were doing the purification rundown or running in the desert.
Speaker 1:No, not allegedly. When Hubbard was researching the purification rundown, he was taking Sea Org members at the base at Golden Era Productions, specifically Golden Era Productions. This is not a lot of people know this. Golden Era Productions was L Ron Hubbard's guinea pigs for all the stuff he developed in Scientology Word clearing, study, tech, the false purpose rundown, key to life, life orientation. He was studying the golden era productions people and a ton of these people were fricking hippies before they got into Scientologists and they were tripping balls all the time. But he had these two guys wearing wetsuits and it was golden era productions in the middle of the desert. So it's like 120 degrees in the summer. He had these guys put wetsuits on and run around town and one of these guys just started tripping balls in the corner and he basically was just freaking out and the dude that was with him didn't know what to do. This was, I want to say it was rick cruisin and I don't know if.
Speaker 1:Charlie Rush, I think it was. Those are the two guys that this story involves and um, and they were gone for so long on this run that they were considered that they blew, and so they called a blow drill. And that's when they go to hunt people down and bring them back to the property. And then in some half an hour hour later they've happened upon them on this corner, where one of them was totally fine and the other one was tripping balls. And that's how Hubbard discovered that when you're doing the purification rundown, they didn't have any fancy saunas at first. Hubbard just wanted to see how he could get somebody to sweat, so that's why they were wearing wetsuits in the summer in 120 degrees, because you're going to sweat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and my point, by the way, is that.
Speaker 1:I get it.
Speaker 2:That makes a good narrative. I never saw I personally never saw any evidence of the research that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, that was the research, it was just handsome dudes running around. But my point being that he didn the research, it was just handsome dudes running around, but my point being that he didn't discover it.
Speaker 2:Because of that he he stated hey, this is the what's wrong with you guys, and essentially go the. Then facts evolve and that becomes, oh yeah, see, confirmation of what he figured out. And my point too is you know how we, maybe they were getting two hours of sleep where they actually tripping balls. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the other thing also is that that's why the purification rundown is done in a sauna now, because they thought the cops were going to catch them because they were out in the middle of nowhere running around in the desert with web suits on. So somebody said, hey, we can't do that anymore. What are we going to do? We could buy a sauna and then they could just sit in the sauna and that would make them sweat and that would get the LSD trips to go, or whatever. Okay, I don't know how we got under that, but let's just go to the comments and do some giveaways we got a few minutes left here.
Speaker 2:We went down a lot of rabbit holes there. Holy moly, thanks for bearing with us.
Speaker 1:This is a good Scientology story, though. That's what we wanted to do. We wanted to flush out some good Scientology stories. I think that the research of the purification rundown and these guys running around with wet seats on in the desert that's a good story. We've got tons more of those too, but you want to go through some of these starred comments here?
Speaker 2:Yep, you're going to pull them up.
Speaker 1:I'll pull them up. I love it, I love it Becky, big brother fan.
Speaker 2:Yes, I adore a Sunday evening live with Mark, claire and their chat. Yay, thank you so much to everybody who's joined us here. Becca, hello, betsy Sue, just call chat. Yay, thank you so much to everybody who's joined us here. Becca, hello, uh, betsy sue, just call me betsy hail zenu. Yes, indeed, good to see you, betsy sue. Thanks for being here. Uh, love it. Joining us from golden. Yay, um trevon on joining from netherlands. All right, uh, cool, jane, hi from South Carolina. Hello, yeah, we forgot to do our checking in with people at the beginning. M Hello from Washington State. Awesome, oh, that was M. That was the mysterious M from last week. Hello, claire and Mark. Greetings from the UK. Thank you, thank you. Good to see the Hedley beard still there. Yes, there, yes, indeed, quite the distinguished look, honey or santa, depending on your perspective. Jake lloyd, you're ot late. I'm ot great awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, there you go.
Speaker 2:Thank you, abe, for the super sticker we appreciate it.
Speaker 1:We got a. Uh, yeah, that's cool. Thank you, abe. Yeah, I think I was looking at his little avatar there. It looks like I don't know. It looks like something out of some video game or something.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Jess same day as Danny Masterson's birthday.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. His birthday is on March 13th. Good for him.
Speaker 2:But you want to know another awesome coincidence.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The date that I escaped Scientology happens to be the date that L Ron Hubbard died.
Speaker 1:Oh, I do. I know that Is it the 26th 24th 24th, that's right.
Speaker 2:Which I didn't even know. So it was a completely unintentional coincidence.
Speaker 1:Okay, now, I normally wouldn't say this, but I just remembered it, and today is the only possibly appropriate day to mention this story. But when we worked at the international headquarters and Claire can vouch for this David Miscavige, on a regular basis, teased Guillaume Le Serve and mark yeager of having a relationship with each other. This was a constant thing for many, many, many, many years, and at one meeting it was I think it was for march 13th event- but.
Speaker 1:But before you say, it bears mentioning, they were, they were both married he made them sleep in bunk beds in the same room, even when they were married to other people. He made them sleep in the same room together. David Miscavige made him sleep on bunk beds, but in a meeting I want to say it was for March 13th event he said and I will never forget this for the only time, forever. He said the only expansion that either of them had ever caused in their lives was when they were sticking it to each other in their backsides. That is what David and he used much more profane language. I watered it down but he said David Miscavige, chairman of the board fake Navy Davey, accused the executive director international and the commanding officer of the Commodore's Messenger Organization of expansion in that method.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, this was not just a one-time instance. He did this so many times, and at the time Mark and Guillaume were staying in the same building where Shelley and David Miscavige also slept, and so he, as you said, made them sleep in the same room together. And this bullying and this incessant, just gross.
Speaker 1:Non-stop In meetings with 20, 30 other people. He would speak in explicit detail of what they were up to with each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it went on so much that eventually Mark and Guillaume were like that's it and they took their mattresses out of that room and drug them across the property to somewhere else. I remember that.
Speaker 1:And then he yelled at them for taking their mattresses. He said they were making him wrong and they taking their mattresses. He said he, they were making him wrong and they took their mattresses and dragged them outside and he made them drag them back at like three o'clock in the morning, um, and it keeps them of being non-compliant anyhow, whatever.
Speaker 2:Again another rabbit hole. So let's get back to our comments.
Speaker 1:I don't get some super chats coming in all right, jason, hello, mark and claire.
Speaker 2:I'm going to citizens for responsibility and ethicists.
Speaker 2:Ethic, ethics six in washington tomorrow to report my findings. Wish me luck. Hope all is well with you. Awesome good luck um becky. Big brother fan. Question claire how did you cope with the atmosphere of stress working so close to Miscavige and Religious Technology Center? It must have been emotionally traumatic, yeah, very much so. By the time I left I was a complete and utter train wreck. There was no easy way to deal with that stress, but you know it was an environment and a world where you just tried to make it through each day and survive and, you know, under terrible threats of extreme punishment if you failed. So yep, there you have it. That's my short answer. Harvey Denton, thank you for the super sticker. Appreciate it. Barbara Bell again super sticker. Thank you. Hereara bell again super sticker, thank you here's a good one for you, claire.
Speaker 2:Hey trevon on question claire, how's your book going? Okay, so it's been a ride. Um, I, really I. I have now been working on it every day. I'm 40,000 words in roughly, and I have some amazing people helping me and it's just been. It's been a ride, so it's been, I'm working, I did. The beginning part of the book focuses on the three weeks after Mark escaped. So you know, for anyone who hasn't read, blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology covers Mark's life in Scientology and his escape and then how we reunited three weeks after, because you left on January 4th and I escaped on January 24th. So the first part of the book details those crazy three weeks, the insanity and everything that I went through in great detail to escape, and then I circle back to being born into Scientology, being named after the state of clear Claire, french for clear.
Speaker 1:It's okay, you don't have to tell the whole book.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:You don't even have to get it now. That's it. You know what's going on.
Speaker 2:A lot of people have asked this question, so I'm giving an in-depth answer.
Speaker 1:So there you have it.
Speaker 2:Read the next super holy moly stay tuned for more, all right, uh, fancy pants long time and steadfast fans. Keep it up. Thank you very, very much.
Speaker 1:It's not always easy, but we are persistent if I'm gonna show you this one, this is right um same day, oh same day, that challenger space shuttle so I heard this story because um amy scoby is the niece of dick scoby, who was the commander of the challenger shuttle, and and she got called on that day and on the day the Challenger blew up because her uncle was the commander, and when she was in Scientology she said that they were rejoicing because they knew that L Ron Hubbard's death wouldn't get covered in the press, it would get buried because the space shuttle was so much bigger news. So David Miscavige and others were happy that it happened, because then it kind of got them off the hot seat of that. But yes, that is true, okay, and wow, we've got Tyler just showed up, just popped in.
Speaker 2:Glad you're all still up to this digging the beard.
Speaker 1:Nice Okay, good.
Speaker 2:Your beard has become the star of the show, honey.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, how are you going to keep warm? Okay, here's a good one. I saw this one.
Speaker 2:All right, morbid curiosity, oh Maria Martins. Hello, did Dave and Shelly sleep on the same bed? No, they did not, not the entire time we were there, in fact, I don't know what it was at the beginning, but when I became aware of where they slept, they were in separate rooms, even not even not in the same bed, but in separate rooms altogether.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, here's a good one from Catherine.
Speaker 2:Catherine, no one's getting $100 anymore. After the chase wave they weren't even paying the yearly bonuses. There you go Yearly bonuses what are you talking about?
Speaker 1:At the end base I think we got yearly bonuses like three times in 15 years Yearly bonuses.
Speaker 2:And any bonuses were less than the money we had not been paid. That was even the $46 a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, On my social security statement. It has three years in the nineties where it's zero. They literally reported not a single penny paid out from I think it was, I want to say 1990 to like 1993. It was actually right before the IRS exemption and the only reason we started getting paid after that is because now they had to follow the rules and they were saying that they were paying us, so they actually had to pay us.
Speaker 2:And which included that staff had to file tax returns.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, most people just didn't do it Right. She did because in RTC they actually did get paid, most of the time.
Speaker 2:But yeah, for the longest time Mark would joke about how the payroll officer was maintaining headly savings and loan for all of our back pay that we hadn't been paid.
Speaker 1:Thousands and thousands.
Speaker 2:All right, do they still get dressed up in sailor suits? Question yeah, and we touched on that, that the nautical uniforms were gotten rid of, and they did. They've done several iterations now of uniform upgrades and, as Mark commented, I think you're on point that the current ones look like valet uniforms and restaurant hostess people. Yeah, okay, spanglish Inglewood Ideal Org couldn't afford toilet paper per Carandella Carrier and saying so, listen, inglewood, you just reminded me of something I wanted to say yeah, inglewood you just reminded me of something I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were in Colorado and we got a phone call saying hey, come on down and help with the Inglewood Org renovations.
Speaker 1:That's right. I almost went to LA and showed up because I'm like you called me. Okay, they called us. They called us. They're so insane.
Speaker 2:We, literally our lawsuit was going on at that time when they called us. It was crazy.
Speaker 1:It was crazy. Okay, I think that's going to call it here's. I'm just going to put some fun ones up. I'll read it real quick. Hey, Mark, Claire and Mark. Can you believe Miscavige still celebrates Elmer Hubbard's birthday? Lolz, hey.
Speaker 2:Witness Hello.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got it Post Witness hello. Oh, we got it Post-Aid.
Speaker 2:Alex, sorry I'm late to the party. D B, t and Turbulation. Oh so this is Deputy B, t and Turbulation. I see AO IA, sp, uk reporting for duty. Nice, good to see you, alex.
Speaker 1:Here's another one from Alex.
Speaker 2:Nowadays Scientology struggled to scrape together the 86 staff needed to make ideal size, let alone St Hill size. There you go, yeah, and in fact so much so that at a certain point, as we've learned from a number of people now, they took Sea Org members and put them, just moved them to the ideal org to kind of cover up that they didn't have those numbers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's this just in case we'll put out an APB on this. If anyone has a copy of the L Ron Hubbard birthday event in 2014, please send it in London Org1 and I'm featured in it. Yeah, let's try to get Alex some footage of him in the Scientology realm. You know, it's funny, these organizations. When I worked on the events, we would do a thing where we would post-produce the event. It would get edited and remixed and we would put it out on DVD and those DVDs would go out to all organizations so they could play the event in their lobbies and bring people in. So there was a time when there was, I think, maybe 30 or 40 of these DVDs had gotten in the hands of somebody who's you know, ingested them and put them onto videos and and they were floating around for a long time. Many, many, many DVDs. So if anybody's got a 2014 birthday event, drop a line to a pasta, alex.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys, I think that's going to wrap it up. We're going to do our. We do this. Normally at the end we do a giveaway. It was hail Zinu. That was it. You want to tell me when to? Oh, I just got to. I got to go up to this screen. Everybody's seeing that.
Speaker 2:So if you haven't put your hashtag in, now's the time to do it to be included.
Speaker 1:I can't. Oh, it is what's going on. I don't know hon, I can't, uh, I can't push draw. This is ridiculous it's been fun.
Speaker 2:We're continuing to iron out the books of being rusty from being gone for a while.
Speaker 1:Literally cannot go on top and push draw. See if I go right there, oh it did, oh, okay oh, I almost won, oh, claire almost won nice congratulations.
Speaker 2:All right, the spiel is send me an email, claire at blown for goodcom, with a link to the item of your choosing from either the bfg merch store or the sp shop, and we will get that taken care of. Congratulations, and not to be forgotten, thank you to Clara and Catherine, our mods. We appreciate your help, as always.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was good guys. Okay, if you, if you want to get any merch, you can go to the blown for good store. All copies of my book we're signing. I think we. I think we have like 10 paperbacks that we're about to sell out of. I think we have like 10 paperbacks left. Maybe it's a little more, but it's a handful. They're gone. That's it. I'm not reprinting them. You can get it on Audible, you can get it digital and there's still some hardbacks as well.
Speaker 1:But we sign, claire and I sign every single one. If we sell in the store and then if you go to the SP shop, all of the proceeds from the SP shop go to the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation and fake Navy Davy dolls bobbleheads we still have signed bobbleheads for both Mike and Leah, and then we have a package that has everything and we have signed headshots from them and all that stuff. So if you guys want to support the Aftermath Foundation, you can do that or you can just go directly to theaftermathfoundationorg and you can donate directly there or sign up for the newsletter so you can keep up with what we're doing. That's where the submit your photos. Do we have that? Still Go to the SP.
Speaker 2:Oh no, that was the C or that was another thing. Yeah, the old thing. I don't think we have a new thing.
Speaker 1:Sorry guys, I've just got all kinds of nonsense today. That's it. Say any last words for everybody.
Speaker 2:The only other thing I wanted to mention is we've been putting out podcast episodes that featured Mike, our dear friend. We will, I'm sure, do something special in the future. We're just it's too fresh at the moment, so bear with us on that. Yeah, yep, awesome. There you go.
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