Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Severance's Uncanny Parallels to Scientology - Severance and Scientology #2
Marc and Claire explore the uncanny similarities between the Apple TV show Severance and their experiences in Scientology's Sea Organization, revealing how the show's creators may have studied cult dynamics to create the fictional Lumon Industries.
• "Lumon is the Sea Org" - the workplace depicted in Severance mirrors Sea Org life with shocking accuracy
• Disconnection policies in Scientology parallel how characters in Severance are effectively erased from others' lives
• The Commodore's Messenger Organization utilized children as young as 12-13 in positions of authority over adults
• Mail censorship and contraband control in the Sea Org exactly matches Lumon's information control tactics
• The financial control and meaningless rewards (like "waffle parties" vs "donut parties") create similar psychological effects
• Language manipulation and specialized terminology create barriers between insiders and outsiders in both environments
• Patricia Arquette and other actors reportedly studied Scientology to prepare for their roles in the show
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Hey guys, welcome back, Welcome to the channel, Welcome to another episode of is this Scientology Q&A? Scientology Stories Scientology Q&A. I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks for coming back. Claire was on a trip last week so we were home alone. I think I can't remember if I said we would wear the merch, but I mentioned the merch, or I said we would wear the merch next week. So we're wearing the merch, we're wearing the Bloom for Good merch. I got a Claire's, got Claire Bear and then and I got this Hail Xenu sweatshirt that I wear all the time. We have Apostate. Alex is in the is was in a big newspaper I don't know if it's a big newspaper, but in the media in England in a big newspaper I don't know if it's a big newspaper, but in the media in England because Scientology is messing with him and when we used to say BTs activate for some reason, alex got a real big kick out of that.
Speaker 2:I think a lot of people did honey. It wasn't unique to Alex.
Speaker 1:So we're going to make. How do I do? Can I switch it? Here he is, we're going to. We've got some new merch in the Uber suppressive merch Blame for good store and it is the. It's the Xenu, what's the collection called? There's a way to do collections. Well, it's part of the Xenu Xenu and the Body Thetans collection. We've got these BT's Activate mugs. On one side they have that, and then on the other side, Shout out to Clara for her amazing designs.
Speaker 1:Yes, so I'm trying to. Now I'm off the page while I'm trying to look at it.
Speaker 2:There you go, there we go.
Speaker 1:And we're going to do. If you guys like that, we'll do some other things. We'll do some stickers Like these sticker packs are very popular with people and we'll do some caps and some hats and some mugs.
Speaker 2:As we all know, you never miss a moment to talk about aliens.
Speaker 1:And Xenu.
Speaker 2:Basically Xenu, xenu.
Speaker 1:Basically, xenu, xenu. Anything that leads to Xenu is good for me.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And then, oh, I've got to hit go live on Instagram. Sorry people, I've got to just do this real quick here. There's so many things I have to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of these days we'll get back in the groove. Honey, it's okay.
Speaker 1:It's not even doing anything, so you know whatever. Thank you, instagram. Anyway, let's find out where people are in from.
Speaker 2:Yes, let's do that. All right, betsy Sue, just call me Betsy. Greetings from Myrtle Beach, south Carolina. Good to see you, betsy. Sue, bear's Mom, hello from Indiana. Anita, hello from the Netherlands, first time attending a live, so excited, Nice, well, welcome, prepare to have fun. Trevenon, good evening from the Netherlands as well. Good to see you, trevenon. Mary Kay from Albuquerque, new Mexico. Lena, hola everyone De Montreal. Tracy Howdy from wyoming, nice thanks for joining us. Tracy, good morning from parump nevada.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's where art bell used to broadcast from oh kale, not kale, interesting.
Speaker 2:Still alive in washington state. Well, good job. Still alive in colorado yeah sasha. Hi from australia, awesome, thanks for joining us. Bruce Hines, hello from a little way up I-25. Booyah, colorado, colorado. Howdy Bruce, once a witness, vernon hello from California. Hello, hi from France. First, live Nice. We got some newbies here, folks. This is exciting. Hello from Philadelphia, nashay Jones. Hey from Reading, uk, becky, big brother fan Hi, becky. Hello from Astoria, queens.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Horatious Rita and Garth Taylor, north Carolina, here Nice. Um and Garth Taylor, north Carolina, here Nice. Hi from Brazil, juliana, a suppressive from Connecticut. Yes, that's kind of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then somebody did say that art bell, uh, art bells. Home is a few miles from me. Kingdom of nine, yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow Um the?
Speaker 1:um, this show that art bell used to have coast to coast AM. Um, this show that art bell used to have coast to coast am. I've been on that show two or two or three times, at least two, yeah, positive of. I think I was on kfi, the same broad, the same radio station that broadcast that I was on another show on there, right, john and ken yeah, john and ken in the morning or something.
Speaker 2:One day we should do a revisit of that, because because that that first time that you did when Jason Bennett called in and all that, oh my gosh, that would be an awesome show to revisit.
Speaker 1:That would be. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Today's episode is about Severance.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We're going to talk about Severance. We were. We did an episode a few weeks ago and we asked you guys if you wanted us to do a part two and the overwhelming response was yes, that we should do a part two, but if you missed that one? Basically, we compared a whole bunch of things in severance and what the equivalent thing of that is in Scientology. Now I don't know if this is true or not, but I saw some articles or some media things that Patricia Arquette and at least one of the other actors studied Scientology to play these parts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Patricia Arquette is also an executive producer of the show too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that to me is kind of wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I saw the same thing and yeah, I mean sure you could say, well, perhaps it's satire of cults in general, but certainly there are many, many, many similarities and you just can't ignore some of the parallels. It's just crazy. So, yes, oh, becky had to back Claire up and vote strongly for part two of severance. Yes, yes, and I vote for part three of severance. Actually, we have some people that would like to come on and talk with us about it, so totally putting that in the queue too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and let's not forget that this, there's not severance. Um doesn't only have scientologists that are showing up saying, oh, this is just like my cult. Yes, there's so many people that are like, oh, there's a ex-mormon saying show and just uh. So happens that a ton of them, like a giant majority of them, are, uh, are scientology sort of related yeah, though I will say it occurred to me um at from my any perspective when I was in any any.
Speaker 2:I would have gone. I would have gone. Oh, that's so bad. That's an awful cult. Thank God I'm not in a cult. I did a whole study on that too by the way.
Speaker 1:I read that book several times and for the longest time I dug in my heels. I'm like I will not watch the show. This is an abomination. And then, one day, I was like fine, I'll watch the show, but I'm taking notes of how it is nonsense. It is nonsense that she's in a show about an abusive cult. You know relationships everything 100%.
Speaker 2:It's just like wow.
Speaker 1:Tell us in the comments where you're watching from today. And waffle party is the secret word. And we did talk about that last week because because, um, I was talking about when we had to write letters. It was in the schedule that we went over.
Speaker 1:We had a gold schedule and it said letter writing yep and um, and I was talking about whoever wrote, whichever division wrote, uh, wrote the most letters, they would get donuts and how the estates guys would just like descend on these and we would literally legitimately every single week maybe not every single week when everybody was in there, if everybody was in the shits we didn't get donuts okay, there was no uh, there was a lot of break room.
Speaker 1:There wasn't a lot yeah, no there wasn't a lot of uh but we don't talk about break room it wasn't a lot of waffle parties, it wasn't a lot of, uh, donut parties. It wasn't a lot of donut parties.
Speaker 2:But yeah, but you know what? So, on the topic of Ogo letters, I have to ask you this because I never did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I probably wrote I don't know a thousand or more Ogo letters in the what five years that I was in Golden Era Productions.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I got an answer, maybe once.
Speaker 1:I literally brought that up. I said that I'd written thousands over the years because I was in gold. Claire, how many years? You were in gold? For five years. I was in gold for 15 years and she was in for five. So I wrote three times as many letters, and I did say that I might have gotten like three or four, maybe a handful of responses in that entire time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, completely. Anyway so much for you know proper communication flows, so much for keeping up with your inbox and responding to letters. I mean gosh.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we got to get to it. What's what do you got? Okay, what? What are the? Um? We got a lot of people getting in the waffle party here, okay, um, so we, we mentioned the waffle party, so that's a one we didn't. We didn't talk about that. I don't think in that first thing. So waffle party in Scientology they have donut parties and pizza parties. Those are the like, the two, I would say routine, like at least once a month, or at least maybe once or twice a month, depending on if, if things are going, you know, relatively okay, like if the whole entire property is not assigned a lower condition.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which in later years was just full time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but in the early years in that the five years that you were there were probably the best five years.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean they, they started good. And then, you know, as, as we always commented on things, oh it in our mind, we're like oh, it could never get worse, and it got worse every single time, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It was always getting worse. So the five years you had were the five good ones. Everything after that years you had were the five good ones. Everything after that.
Speaker 2:You were in the best of places to be in comparison to Goldner, because we were always debatable, but we were always the shitties.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, what's another one. What's another good one?
Speaker 2:So I decided that let's just take a step back for a moment and let's talk about severance versus disconnection.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because there are so many parallels, like, for example, all the tests and everything that they're doing on Gemma Mark Scout's wife. The goal is to have her have no memory of him whatsoever. The goal is to have her have no memory of him whatsoever. So, like to me, disconnection is with my father, because he left Scientology when I was three and my mom made me disconnect from him and she literally removed every photo of him ever Like. It was like poof, I didn't have a dad. That's kind of what it was. Anyway, that's, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:Well, we just did. I mean, it felt like I was the one talking. Well, I'm just saying that yeah, sure Go, yeah, it's it checks out.
Speaker 2:Right, right Because, but but the the parallels of you know like it's like as if your family doesn't even exist. You don't talk to them, you don't even ever have a real conversation.
Speaker 1:But? But I think Scientology's version of that is is not. It's not. You were disconnected from your family when you were in the C organization. You were essentially disconnected from your family when you were in the C organization, even though they were in Scientology, right, they couldn't know what you were doing. Disconnected from your family when you were in the sea organization, even though they were in Scientology, they couldn't know what you were doing. They couldn't know where you were. They couldn't know what your job was like, what you did, even as opposed to what you did like, who you were involved with. Or did you work with David Miscavige? They couldn't know any of that. So you're saying that the severance is like disconnection. I'm saying it's just like the Sea Org. What's the name of that company? The company Lumen. Yeah, lumen is the Sea Org, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:Lumen is the Sea Org, and in the Sea Org you're only your innie. Yes, you don't have an Audi. You may have an Audi once or twice a year. That's right If, if you're lucky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but even then, like perfect example, when I, when I broke my leg in 99, I was not even allowed to tell my mom that.
Speaker 1:So I'm saying they didn't know anything about your life. They couldn't tell them anything. So it was as if you didn't know, because when you went into the outside world you had to be a whole nother person.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:The similarities, it couldn't be anymore exactly the same. You only were in Annie and you were in Annie and then when you went to the outside world you couldn't say anything. And maybe that's also very particular to the it base Because if you worked in LA in the Sea Org, everybody knew what you did because they could see you, they could see you doing the job that you had and they knew what your post was. And all that International Management, CMO, Ent, CMO Gold, Golden Air Productions, RTC, Author Services, CST, all of these upper Scientology organizations. You're not allowed to say anything. If you give away any operational information to somebody who's not cleared to have that information, you get assigned a condition of treason.
Speaker 2:Right, Like like remember the time that we came back from New Year's or something and your stepdad knew where the property was and we missed the van.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This was like in 92, I think Like it was shortly after we got married.
Speaker 1:It was the Christmas after we got married.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, so Christmas 92, we left for one morning. We went the night of Saturday night we went down to spend two hours with your stepdad and your mom.
Speaker 1:That's right. And then we stayed the night, yep, and then we missed the run. In the morning there's a run that leaves from Hollywood.
Speaker 2:By run you mean just a van it's a van.
Speaker 1:It's called the run.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:The LA run, the Int run, and it's a van and you get in it and it drives to the property and yeah, you know what? This is the best one. I love this Trevonon. Mark casually throwing out a load of abbreviations and me realizing.
Speaker 2:realizing I know what they are. Yeah, that's there you go. See, I know when he was saying all those, I was like, oh boy, here we go, Like, yeah, that's just exactly like severance to the, the use of language to obscure and make outsiders feel isolated and not like they don't understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That is a uh, an element of a cult.
Speaker 1:In the very beginning of my book I do. I say like hey, we use everything as abbreviated in this organization and I said I'm going to give you a sentence and it's just going to be all abbreviations and it's like it means like a full paragraph of information, but I'm doing it in one sentence.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, you made the comparison that, like two Scientologists could be in a room having a conversation and somebody would just have absolutely no idea of anything that was just said. Nothing, absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:Like not at all Right. They could literally talk and no one would be able to understand anything they're saying.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly.
Speaker 1:Okay, what's another one?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's your turn now. I'll pull back up my notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pull up your notes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, let's talk about Msang for a moment and the messenger, um um parallel. So this is season two, which you haven't watched. But it starts out and um mark comes out of the elevator, or whoever comes out of the elevator, and it's like there's literally a 12 year old girl in a shirt and a uniform and um, her name is ms wong and she is like, uh, milkshakes or whatever his name is milkshake his deputy, like she's working under him and apprenticing under him to be able to um, whatever, to achieve a level, and then she'll graduate from this program but she's a 12 year old child.
Speaker 2:Yes, she's a literal child and he's like mark's, like wait, we have children here now, like what is going on. Where's miss cobell?
Speaker 1:yes, so in for those of you who do not know, in Scientology, in the C organization specifically, I mentioned this organization in a lot of videos. It's called CMO or the Commodore's Messenger organization, and originally, when L Ron Hubbard was at C on the flagship Apollo, starting and running this thing called the Sea Organization, these were the people that signed the billion-year contracts. That's what we were. We were the billion-year contract people. Well, the organization Commodore's Messenger Organization was comprised of mostly female, young women from 12.
Speaker 2:No from younger than that. Women from 12?
Speaker 1:No, from younger than that Hubbard actually said the ideal age to start someone on messenger training is six years old. Okay, well, there were young children there and this was in the 60s and in the 70s. Well, at the gold international gold base, when we were there from 1990 to 2005. They had the same thing the CMO. There was kids in the CMO that were like 13 at international management, 13 years old, and they could be the boss or senior to the entirety of Golden Era Productions. Right, so you would have like at Golden Era Productions, we like, we had some like hardened criminal seer members there, okay, and these were not like. These were not. Uh, no, none of these dudes were playing patty cake. These dudes were seasoned, veteran, hardened criminal seer members.
Speaker 1:They could have been at another organization anywhere in that international management structure and they'd gotten in a huge amount of trouble for doing dastardly things. And they would get assigned to Golden Era Productions in the grounds department or the electrical department or the construction department and there'd be programs being run by the messengers and the programs. Operators were these young girls and they would come down into Golden Era Productions and scream. And operators were these young girls and they would come down into golden air productions and scream and yell at these men to do things that they weren't getting done and they're literally just standing there just getting yelled at by a little kid. And that's a tuesday, right, and that was the whole time I was there. Yeah, I mean, those girls got older as we were there, because not a lot of new kids were coming there over the years. But I want to say, when we left in 2005, there was at least some 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds kind of still floating around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, and talk about like by contrast. Look at our kids now we're like yeah, my oldest son, you know he's the age now are like yeah, my oldest son. You know he's the age like our two oldest sons are, the age when we were already carrying out a billion years. Yeah, they're older than we were.
Speaker 1:We were, we were married. We were yes, exactly, and they're older than we were when we got married, and so that's why, when they get up to nonsense I was thinking about this this morning Um, sometimes they get up to nonsense, they're teenagers. This this morning, sometimes they get up to nonsense, they're teenagers and I think, well, at least they didn't join a cult for 15 years. That's exactly, couldn't be that bad.
Speaker 2:They're not in a cult yet. They're relatively pretty good off, you know.
Speaker 1:They're already doing better than me.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's a low bar folks, A very low bar.
Speaker 2:They're in high school, one's graduated, that's. You know, we never even made it to high school, so hell yes, winning.
Speaker 1:Yes, clara says you only need to comment once to be entered.
Speaker 2:Yes, excellent point.
Speaker 1:The secret word is waffle party. If any of you are joining and do not know why people keep writing waffle party in the comments it just makes it fun, we're gonna do a giveaway at the end of this live and waffle party. Gets you in. Let's see, we can, can we put up, like we? Well, I'll have to get to share that when we get to that, because I'm I'm gonna get it ready though. Okay, what's the next thing?
Speaker 2:um, oh so, but still to finish up on ms wang. Ms wang, um, the comment I wanted to make is it's it normalizes, it's mind numbing in that. You, it's just the way things are, like, yeah, there's kids running around and and nobody collectively goes wait, what are we doing? What's going on? It's just that's how things are and it's normal, but it's.
Speaker 1:Well, it's because Hubbard did it. Correct. That's really. That's the only reason. It's normal, that's right. If Hubbard wouldn't have done it, then everybody would be like, hey, this is super creepy. But because Hubbard did it here, because Hubbard did it, because Hubbard did it because the is it Patricia Arquette? Her character was. That was one of those kids.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, correct, she was in the cadet org.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, she was in the severance cadet org when she was a little kid.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:It's the craziest thing, Jenny DeVocht.
Speaker 2:Annie Tidman, all these guys.
Speaker 1:David muscavige david muscavige was one of those kids right, completely, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2:but there's a conversation too where um mark scout says to ms wong, why are you so young? And she says because of when I was born, you're just like right Total Sea Org.
Speaker 1:member thing to say. Right, exactly what's the logical response why are you so young? I was born 12 years ago.
Speaker 2:Because of when I was born. Oh, you don't say that, that was not the point of the question. But also then they talk about that when she graduates from this program she's going to move out of her parents' house to a new center where she will steward global reform. Like again, just like word salad. That means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:Okay, what's another one? That that's good, that's a good one. And also that the here obviously the key is it here, here, here hubbard thing, that's obviously yeah, come on that guy, whatever that guy did. The oh, that was the one I thought of um patricia arquette is Diana Hubbard.
Speaker 2:Hmm, but she's not a cure though.
Speaker 1:I know, but she was like I mean Egan was but.
Speaker 2:Kelly is an Egan. Okay, yes, kelly is the Diana Hubbard. Yes, right, 100%.
Speaker 1:Because she's a redhead, which is kind of crazy, it is crazy I hadn't thought about that.
Speaker 2:The moment you brought it up. You brought it up.
Speaker 1:I was like, oh my God, the daughter of the guy. Yeah, um, she was she, and she's always on the struggle bus. She's always on the struggle bus but she has all this power and all this privilege, right, although she's a total, uh, low life in the place, right, like she's, nobody likes her. She's a big problem for everybody. Yeah, and she also was getting up to nonsense. Like, I mean, are we going to say, ok, I'm going to say it, it's been said before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it has been said OK.
Speaker 1:When we were in these seance. What do you call the?
Speaker 2:group seances the group confessions. Aka literal nonsense.
Speaker 1:I want to say either Diana Hubbard admitted it in the thing or somebody else accused her, or Dave I think David Miscavige kind of aired it out in front of everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what he did because it had been known about.
Speaker 1:You know Hubbard would frequently fly on planes and she as much as possible according to David Miscavige would try to join the Mile High Club on those flights and he would tell everybody this, like come on, those are the kind of things I want to know about that people are confessing to. He's like I don't want to know about paperclips I don't want to know about. Like people would confess to the most insane things and then he would be like oh, I already knew about all that. Tell me something I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, speaking of paperclips, yeah, so for context, in the Hubbard writings about interrogating someone, he has this whole thing where it's called paperclip overts, where somebody basically will say oh, you know, I stole a paperclip, and that's the example he he's Hubbard is giving and the context of it is to essentially say oh, they're just saying something that has no consequence, means absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1:It's a, it's a, it's a token gesture, right as a, as a confession. As a confession. So when they say, what are your overts and withholds? And then you try to think of the silliest little thing that you can say so that it counts for something, and then you don't have to say, and he calls it a Sherman tank, so that you don't have to talk about this Sherman tank that you have sitting there. You talk about this little paper clip, like oh, I've got, I did this, I stole the paper clip, and they're like we don't want to know about the paper clips and and the. And he literally says we want to know about the Sherman tanks.
Speaker 2:Okay, so now let me blow your mind. Season two Milosec is having a performance review. One of one of the items is misuse of paperclips. He put them on backwards and it's like a point of correction.
Speaker 1:No, yes, and so he would say I misplaced the paperclips.
Speaker 2:Right. Well like he put it on backwards. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's what he did. He's saying, that's what they're correct, even though that's what they're telling him.
Speaker 2:You, you are misusing paperclips. And another one was you're using big words. So he has this tendency to use his vocabulary. And then there's this whole conflict moment where the big bad enforcer guy is like simplify your words. Because Milchak said I apologize, and he said you're using big words, simplify your words. And he said I'm sorry, and he said simplify them even more. And then Milchak kind of breaks and he's like devour speculants, which means eat shit.
Speaker 1:It's like this moment of rebelling against, uh, the rules anyway I'll, whenever I chance to talk about dave, captain davey, fake navy davey. Matt denny says dave's obsession with anything smutty is repugnant, disgusting and not a little creepy, complete pervert. Yeah, he, 100, 100% would. If there was anything sexual about anybody, he would latch onto it and tell as many people as possible in these meetings. Yeah, completely vile. Became a sort of management style for the other executives, like where if something happened or if something came up in a person's confession where they can confess to anything like that, it would get brought up in front of the whole entire crew, like at a muster. They would literally announce hey, the reason why the tapes aren't getting done is because this gal was sleeping with this guy and they're both married and you're like what? And then that would be the whole. The fallout of that would last for a few months. But yeah, david Miscavige loved that. Okay, what's another thing?
Speaker 2:Okay, so the other thing I wanted to talk about which we kind of talked a little bit about this in the last one, about the leaving staff routing form, because they have these resignation requests- yeah and. But it's really exacerbated in season two, like where dylan puts in a resignation request and you think it's been accepted yeah and he goes and gets in the elevator oh, I love this, this, this, this is the best.
Speaker 2:And then it, freaking, goes down Instead of going up. Instead of up Like he's going further in and that is so like.
Speaker 1:That's where, if you go to any Sea Org base, the RPF is in the basement.
Speaker 2:Completely and there's no way out. It's literally like In the tunnels In the tunnels under LA.
Speaker 1:It's literally like and and in the tunnels. In the tunnels under LA, that's where the RPFers would get to different buildings, and in the in Los Angeles they have these built, this group of blue buildings called the complex, and at the complex it used to be a hospital and the morgue was in the basement and they would. And if somebody died in any one of the buildings they could take them to the morgue via the underground tunnels so they wouldn't have to have the folks that had passed away up with the regular folks. They could do all that in the tunnels. And when we were little kids and we would play there, it was not renovated, so they only renovated the floors that people went to and the basements were all the lockers and stuff were still there. Like, wow, we would go down there. We'd do hide and seek down there. Now, that's some hide and seek, that's some high quality hide and seek in the dark, stinky, rat infested morgue Used to be morgue of a hospital. Um, yeah, that is kind of creepy. Okay, what's another one?
Speaker 2:um. And then the other one is about the materials and the handbooks and the policies and the um. But hold on, let me find it because I and they have it on my note don't they have like video presentations and stuff like that that they have to watch? Yes In.
Speaker 1:Scientology. David Miscavige I mean Hubbard believed in these things called the, the training films and the public films and and the Sea Org slideshow. And Casey couldn't. Hubbard really believed that visual aids were the way that you could educate masses of people without having to do one-on-one stuff. And David Miscavige has taken that to a whole nother level. Not even have any one-on-one, just the videos do everything. And so that's what Golden Arrow Productions was. We were producing technical training films, the public films, videos like educational videos, but then also internal training videos on how to use the e-meter and how to do auditing and you know things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so I found it. Yeah, so you know, they came across this book, the U U R, written by the, the guy's brother-in-law, mark's brother-in-law, mark's brother-in-law, on the outside, and it got snuck in by Ms Kobo. Anyway, they make a comment man, it's just raining contraband today. This book and map from PD of the Severance Hall like contraband. A book is contraband, wow, but it's so similar.
Speaker 1:Could you even imagine someone having a book like bare face, messiah, oh yeah, no, you could never have that you couldn't have a people magazine that had a bad article on psychology Right, like if they had a thing at the base. And people this comes up all the time. I don't we, we, we, maybe we need to talk about it more. But all mail going into the international base to Sea Org members and all mailing going out is all. When you write a letter to your parents, you have to leave it unsealed so they can read it. Scientology can read it is like the police chief of um of golden air productions. He would. Him or his um, his employees, his Sea Org member staff would have to read your letter, what you wrote, and when letters came into you they would open them and read them. So when you got them they were always unsealed. They'd already had been read by somebody before you got them. Yeah, and if your family said any bullshit, you wouldn't get the letter.
Speaker 2:Right Like it was very common that parents would send in phones.
Speaker 1:Yes, like burner phones. They would send in burner phones.
Speaker 2:Yes, and those would always get confiscated.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, oh no, that's an external influence and you're not allowed to have that because that gives you outside connection to the world that they can't monitor. Yeah, so, yeah, none of that, but yeah so.
Speaker 1:For all you people that are wondering like, is that illegal? That's super illegal, but Scientology has you sign a little document, a little like an agreement, saying, oh no, I want you to do that, I want you to do this for me, I want you to make sure that no one's talking nonsense to me, so I want you to go through it and save me from nonsense that I might be subjected to. You basically sign a form saying that you consent that they will open it, go in and come in and you're totally 100% fine with it, and somebody witnesses that and it's done. Now they can do it as well.
Speaker 2:Not that any SEERC member ever reads the contract that they're signing.
Speaker 1:But Scientology.
Speaker 2:Or has legal representation.
Speaker 1:Scientology has been doing this for 70 plus years. They know how to get away with everything. They just have you sign a document that says we can do all this stuff to you. And then if you go and try to sue them, they'll say you said they could do all this stuff to you. And then if you go and try to sue them, they'll say you said they could do all this stuff to you.
Speaker 2:And not only that. After every lawsuit, they then refine those contracts to like oh maybe you know this, this could be a little stronger. We found a loop. They found a loophole here. So, let's just change everything, and then everybody will sign them all over again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a, they have a multi-hundred thousand dollar uh allocation every week for those guys that are plugging the wherever there's a leak in the dam. They got uh, they get the best hole fillers in the world. Yeah, to do that. If they have to tear the whole dam down and build a whole new dam, they'll do that. If they have to get every single Sea Org member to sign new documents all over again, they will do that. And they did that several times while we were there. You would be there and you'd be like, hey, you have to re-sign your Sea Org contract. And you're like what? Hey, you have to re-sign a bunch of mail documents. Oh, by the way, we have a new non-disclosure agreement for you to sign.
Speaker 2:You can't tell anybody that David Miscavige lives in El Cádiz behind author services in Los Angeles. You know this information but you cannot tell anybody or it will be $10,000 per incident. And you're like I mean dude, when you're making $40 a week. It's mind numbing how you just like whatever. I'm not going to say anything like whatever be done, but just to finish up my contraband thought on the textbooks and all that kind of stuff too. They quote a passage from Keir Egan where it says be content in my words and dally not in the scholastic pursuits of lesser men.
Speaker 1:Wow, that sounds like Hubbard all day long.
Speaker 2:Completely, and then idolatrous text should be turned in immediately, like 100%. Like you know, knowledge reports, turn it in. Oh my gosh, you shouldn't have that. Like hot potato, your hands are on fire. You've got idolatrous texts, anyway. Yeah. Oh my gosh, you shouldn't have that. Like hot potato, your hands are on fire. You've got idolatrous texts, anyway. Yeah, there you have it. That was my, I get.
Speaker 1:Basher says what happens when you refuse to sign? You can't refuse to sign, you have to sign.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you really want to die on that hill, you certainly could. But like, let's say so for me. I was in Religious Technology Center in the example I just cited and I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. So had I refused, I would be escorted out of there, put under security watch, not allowed to talk to Mark, probably for months, if ever again, until I did sign.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no is not an acceptable answer.
Speaker 2:And sure you could say, well, out here in the real world, yeah, exactly, that's why we call it the real world out here.
Speaker 1:As miserable as it is, there is a more miserable option one step away, at any moment of any day.
Speaker 1:Like, if you, if you don't just say yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir, and do it, it's, it's going to be a world of pain, right? If you're already not sleeping, that's the other thing, but not sleeping the you don't have. There's no food source. If you don't go to a meal, right, because a lot of times we weren't getting paid. And even if we were getting paid, if you're smoking and you're drinking coffee that burns up, that 45 bucks is gone, right, you can't. Even the people that didn't get paid that were really like just hardcore smokers. They would smoke other people's butts out of the ash.
Speaker 1:They would if there was a long we call them refries If you didn't have enough money, if you were a person that was always in trouble and you weren't independently wealthy or had like a nest egg of a few thousand bucks.
Speaker 2:Of which there were very few CRC members like that, by the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was, maybe.
Speaker 2:The best facts were the two.
Speaker 1:I'd say there's out of 800 people at one time there may be a bit 10 or 15 people that had some dough. Yeah, they could just be like I could not get paid for five years. I'm still going to be able to buy cigarettes, Right? You know they don't. There's nobody there really has like a big monthly nut they got to cover. You know, some people might have had magazine subscriptions or maybe they had a car and they had car insurance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but out of 800 people who had cars, it was maybe like it was those same 15 people that were loaded.
Speaker 1:Those were the same 15 people that had cars right, Pretty much Completely.
Speaker 2:If you had a car, you might as well have been a millionaire at that place, yeah, we managed to have a car for what like three months before it broke down and and we couldn't, yeah, and we had.
Speaker 1:We had purchased it from another seahawk member on that property that had a car that had a car and somehow he was independently wealthy, I think well, no, he um, I'm not exactly sure what his story was, but he basically sold us a piece of junk yes, completely, and so the moment it broke down yeah we were like well, there's nothing we can do now. We couldn't afford gas.
Speaker 2:We had a good run. We had a good run. A whole good six weeks of 15 minutes extra sleep, not having to ride on the bus.
Speaker 1:Holy moly, okay, should we do another one? What's another one? Do you have notes, do you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have one more that before and then you know so, in season two specifically, it's very much geared towards figuring, figuring out how to break Gemma, the wife, out and out, Cause Audi Mark has believed she was dead and that was the whole finale of season one as he realized, oh, she's alive. And when they did the what's it called Overtime contingency hack to have their Audis come out, he was like she's alive. Anyhow, the the whole conflict of it, like everything about him breaking Gemma out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Reminded me, on so many levels of what we went through.
Speaker 1:Yeah. When I was in and you were out, and and they told me when I was getting you out, they told me that they had gotten you back.
Speaker 2:That they had taught me.
Speaker 1:And they told you that they had gotten me to come back.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So if you left, you would basically go to where I wasn't and I would be back there, and then I wouldn't be able to come to you.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So they were basically doing just a mind right. Just they're basically doing the same thing. They were lying to both people about the other person and giving the opposite of what that person should be hearing, Completely.
Speaker 2:To keep them together Completely.
Speaker 1:And also for what reason. It's the stupidest thing. If you think about it in the end, like you think about it now, you're like who cares?
Speaker 2:Right, but like they told me that you were coming back, yeah, so basically, and they told me had I listened to them.
Speaker 1:And they told me I listened to them and they told I believed them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I mean, obviously goes without saying they were lying. But in that moment, and for me, like these people have been my entire life since, from birth to age 30, in this moment, and you just kind of have to, like you know, in my mind's eye I was was like okay, I'm shutting off the feed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally. This is a good one. I just want to say was Tommy Davis paid his Sea Org $50 per week. I gather he was independently extremely wealthy. He was 100% independently wealthy. He was rocking five $10,000 watches. If you were a Sea Org member and you had $5 thousand dollars, you were might as well have been a billionaire. Right, five thousand dollars will last a long. I had thousands of dollars when I joined the seer.
Speaker 1:It lasted like into the mid 90s right just because I had like three thousand dollars right, which doesn't last forever, but it lasted a few years.
Speaker 2:Yep for sure.
Speaker 1:Okay, should we do some comments and do the giveaway?
Speaker 2:Yes, let's do it.
Speaker 1:I'm putting it back, are you? Excuse me Okay, here we go. Sorry, I was like, oh, we got to do all these different things. Did I show the merch site? I did show the merch site, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll check in on the giveaway just to see how many people it's up to. There's 42 entries. So if you want to get some free merch at the end of the oh my God, I'm looking at these, they're going so fast. Now, you know, you say, oh, we're going to go to the comments and people go crazy here.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, dr X. Oh wait, love it. Dr X makes me happy too. Just normal life stuff. Love when my life is quiet as fires are bound to happy. How's you Okay?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not sure I understand the context of that, but that's all right, it's all good. I meant to hit this one, but it was moving too fast.
Speaker 2:either m or c still smoke, no, no um but it's been a struggle bus for me. I'll be honest. Yeah, struggle bus on and off exactly it's real life. What can I say?
Speaker 1:okay, we got a few more people telling us where they're from uh, killing b a suppressive from connecticut.
Speaker 2:oh yeah, no, we did that one, okay, okay, yay. Love Food Kitchen. I'm determined to get some funny beard dude merch in honor of the facial hair and a nod to the wise beard man. There you go. Okay, good to see you, mr Love, food Kitchen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He was complaining the other day that you thought that Love Food Kitchen was a woman and I'm like I'll correct the record.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, yeah, Sometimes I don't know how would I know'm like I'll correct the record. Oh sorry, yeah, sometimes I don't know how would I know?
Speaker 2:No, I know, I know it's all right Once a witness Vernon Question Claire, will you have on John Atack again? I'm sure? Yes, absolutely, we've just been. My goodness we've been. Yeah, it's been a lot. Claire is your family in England Scientologist, thank goodness. Well, one of them is.
Speaker 1:I was going to say you have that uncle that your mom turned in when he escaped, her mom turned him in. Was she in the Sea Org at that time? No, but she was before that. Yes See, that's just like that's double dealing right there. She left the Sea Org and then, when he left the Sea Org, she ratted him out and he had to go back to the Sea Org.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so my mom is one of seven kids and her older brother is the one who got her into Scientology when she was 17 years old. She was, you know, hippie 70s, like LSD, all the, you know all of that stuff, rebelling against a Roman Catholic upbringing. And my uncle, her older brother, is one who got her in. There you go, uh, gt mom comment I think the goal is the loss of pain, emotion, which is the goal of auditing, right, yes, I, and not even just the goal of auditing everything in Scientology. That's where I've commented before the ideal Scientologist is an Android, right?
Speaker 1:It's not. You don't, you're not supposed to have that in. In Scientology it's actually called miss emotion. So if you have any kind of mis-emotion, that's just. Why are you upset? We've been here for trillions and trillions of years. Why are you upset that your kid passed away? Because you've had millions of kids and you have been millions of kids and it's like it's a tiny little speck in the history. There's no need to get upset about.
Speaker 2:Right and in fact, even a Scientologist thinks that, um, like somebody grieving is, they're in a lower tone and they cannot be trusted. They will lie, they will like you're literally not allowed to grieve in Scientology. So yeah, that's been. Uh, learning how to grieve has been a process and a half. Let me tell you, oh, buttons. I know this may be a weird question, but why are men seemingly not allowed to have beards?
Speaker 1:Do you know why.
Speaker 2:Why.
Speaker 1:Because I think when because you know, dave Miscavige had a beard, mark Yeager had a beard, they all had beards. Dave Miscavige had a beard, mark Yeager had a beard, they all had beards. Ray Madoff had a beard there was some kind of thing that happened in the 80s, the late 80s, where in order to become an executive, to qualify as an executive, you were not allowed to have a beard, so they all had to shave all their beards.
Speaker 2:Off with the facial hair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a big thing, and then they didn't have beards after that that was before I was an adult. If you look at old pictures of David Miscavige and Mark Yeager in historic pictures they all had beards.
Speaker 2:I remember seeing ones where they had mustaches yeah well, but I didn't remember beards. I remember seeing ones where they had mustaches, yeah well. I didn't remember beards, full-on beards, beards and mustaches. Okay, interesting, I think.
Speaker 1:David Miscavige he had like a big pornstache mustache and Jaeger Midoff those guys had big old beards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now that you mention it like of all the hundreds of Hubbard photos I've ever seen, I don't remember one where he had a mustache or a beard, do you?
Speaker 1:No, but he had some long crazy nails and long like. There's some unedited like historic pictures of Hubbard and he had. He has like the curly nails, like Funyan nails, like yellow old man nasty nails I don't know he wasn't doing a lot of typing with those things, I guarantee you that. Um but um.
Speaker 2:But he also had like nasty, like oily kind of long hair like yeah, and it's funny that um the uh I remember shelly at least alleged oh, somebody just photoshopped that and make and made it look that way. That's not really true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they Photoshopped it in 1973. Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I mean hey, you know, you say potato, I say patata.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do we got what? Do we got Okay, a few more questions and then we'll do our giveaway.
Speaker 2:Thanks to everybody who joined us today. Dr Shun Lee, what's to stop you from getting those, these contraband books and materials when you go to events, when you have vehicle access? Yeah, so technically you could say yeah, but like what are?
Speaker 2:you going to do? Run to Barnes and Noble and run in and be like give me bare face, messiah. And you know, you know it's built into your mentality as a, as a Searig member that you know you're going to get interrogated, like one time you said to me if you divorce me, I'm going to become a grease spot on the highway.
Speaker 2:That's what you said and I was like, oh my God, I was terrified that. I was just grateful that you didn't say you wanted to leave. You didn't word it that way, so I could kind of like ignore it in my mind.
Speaker 1:I didn't say anything. I said it'd be a grease butt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like it was a figure of speech, but yeah, so there was always that risk and you know, you're just kind of locked into that world Like sure. If you don't mind losing your family, all that, yeah, no problem, Go for it. Meredith Rowe Hi guys Checking in from up the road in Parker Yay.
Speaker 1:Thank you for the sticker.
Speaker 2:Good to see you, meredith. Thanks for joining us. Super sticker from Anita. Thank you. One love Fifty one thousand question. Do they? One love 51 000 question? Do they advertise that severance is based on scientology or did you guys just figure it out? Um, mark is the one who brought it up. I mean, of course, we had seen so many parallels, but mark is the one that was like, hey, let's talk about this on a live. I already had my whole note well before mark even said he did I.
Speaker 1:As soon as I said it, she says, oh, I have a whole note, I'm like what? And I was like, well, I do, I have a whole note, I'm like what? And I was like, well, I do too. I got a whole bunch of good stuff, but I only watched the first season because after that first season I was like I'm out, I've already been to this place, I don't need to know anymore. Literally every single episode is like no, no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, no, yeah, and we didn't even get to talking about the clay, the clay table processing we talked about that and the e-meter we talked about. Okay, all right all right, okay, question how are mike render's family doing after his passing? Uh, thanks for the question. Uh, what can I say? It's it's a tough process yeah, but you're not I've been listening to a podcast all there is with anderson cooper on processing grief and loss, which is really really good, and in there he says um, there's no, there's no, moving on, there's moving forward.
Speaker 1:And there you go okay, um, yeah, we covered that one.
Speaker 2:That was the time we did cover that one um nashay again.
Speaker 1:All the women seem to be taking on their husband's last name when they get married over and over again. Is this not by choice? Well, no, they do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not everybody does it. It's becoming less and less common. Now it's not mandatory.
Speaker 1:It's not a Sea Org or a Scientology thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if you want to get busy, you got to be married. That is a science, that is a Sea Org thing. You can't, you can't have relations if you're not married to that person, and that is one of the things that David Miscavige loves Like. As soon as a couple get together, all eyes are on them. How quickly do they get married, or does David Miscavige catch them in the act before that?
Speaker 2:And that 10 couples at least. Yeah, we probably had, I'd say, maybe 30 knowledge reports written on us before we got married.
Speaker 1:Oh, you and I.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, yeah, and we yeah, deny, deny, when asked deny.
Speaker 1:They weren't far from the truth, but possession's nine-tenths of the laws and nobody possessed any evidence to the contrary. Yeah, no, bring back Mark and Mitch Make a movie. Yeah, I know, I think Mitch was moving and he didn't have a studio for a little bit. I don't know. I got to ask him what's up with that. We'll do it. We'll do it. It's not me. It's not me.
Speaker 2:Well, it kind of is your work schedule is pretty great.
Speaker 2:Well, I have been not here, but I have a studio now he says it's not me, you can't do it if you're gone, honey, it's. We're working to get back into a routine of showing up and, you know, talking about whatever people want to want to talk about, and there you go. The path is much more like Scientology, that's true. In some respects actually, yeah, I guess from the cover of it. To me, though, the mental manipulation and all those layers of deepness are equally similar, hey, mark.
Speaker 1:Hey, mark, it's Mark Fisher over at Sun Technology Peeling the Onion. There you go. We did a show. I did a show with Mark where, when we went to Vegas I don't remember why we were there it was for a convention. Yeah, we went for a convention, but we went and saw Mark and Janice yes. And then, um, I did, uh like a Chinese food place review.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, cause he has a travel channel. He had.
Speaker 1:Mark Fisher has a travel channel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1:I will put a link to it in the description. Uh, but Mark Fisher has a travel channel. He's lived in Vegas for like 15, 20 years, something like that, and he knows all the best place. And I love Japanese, asian Thai. I'm into all that stuff, I love those, all that cuisine. And he said this is the best place. It's called I think it's called China Mama, it's really good, it was delicious. Okay, what do we got here One? We got a few last ones.
Speaker 2:Having our own children really puts our own upbringing into focus. It can get hard, but healing, oh yes, 100%. My aunt, who was never in Scientology, told me she begged me. Please stop putting your mom on a pedestal, cause I was still justifying everything or explaining why.
Speaker 1:Oh no, it's totally normal. She disconnected from me and she's like stop talking. I remember that. And she's like no, she's a horrible person.
Speaker 2:Stop saying absolutely awful human being and I told her as much and it's not okay. So stop. I'm loving the double studio with you both. You help me learn more for outreach with my community. Nice Thanks, fancy Pants Awesome. Yes, it is awesome to be in the same room with you, honey.
Speaker 1:Oh, now, this is the perfect comment for this, and then we're going to do the giveaway.
Speaker 2:Okay. Are Sea Org teams ever pitted against each other like the departments are on the severance floor? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:That's the thing.
Speaker 2:The.
Speaker 1:Sea Org is like the Hunger Games folks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that's the thing. The c-org is like the hunger games folks. Yeah, hunger games meet severance. Yes, 100, oh my gosh, it's 100, even that stupid donut thing. Everybody wants those donuts I know and you know what's sad. I remembered a time that david miscavige stood and watched the feeding frenzy of the donuts and then he was like like look at these barbarians and you're like what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember that too. Yeah, cause he would literally be like even when he would give out chocolates or Cokes.
Speaker 2:Yep, oh yeah. Oh yeah, that's a story for another day, it's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Anyway, but then when we would eat them he would be like that was not the point. No that wasn't the point.
Speaker 1:I can't believe you drank the Coke and ate, and ate the pack of gum or the chocolate bar. I always ate the gum. I always drank the Coke. I always ate the candy bar, even when I knew it wasn't supposed to be eaten. I was like who cares? This is a dumb. This is a dumb game that Miscavige is playing with us and I'm going to eat the. I remember that one time he ordered me oh my gosh, that was really bad and I ate it all and I was so happy.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, I know you're trying to make me look bad I want in and out. I'm eating in and out. Yeah, I don't care, yeah totally crazy okay let's do a giveaway, folks okay, awesome, let's do it. Let's do it. Add it to the stage, waffle party.
Speaker 2:Do the waffle party? I'm having flashbacks of the music and the dancing.
Speaker 1:Did you know that I won last week?
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:I won. That was so crazy. I got my merch right here. Folks, here's the best thing, jlbb57. Congratulations, k-l-b-b-57.
Speaker 2:Congratulations. Okay, here's your spiel. Send me an email, claire at blownforgoodcom with a link to what you would like, and we will get it taken care of. There you go.
Speaker 1:Good, we did it, folks, we did it. We can do a few more questions now that we've got that out of the way. Yep, agt mom again.
Speaker 2:Comment. The goal of severance is to create workers without distractions, with emotions, pain, memories being part of the problem. Yes, completely. Animal Audit Corner Question Even though you were married in Scientology, were you two allowed to talk about how your day went or talk about your job? No, absolutely not. In fact, you know we've talked about it a few times that actually from the very first year we were married, David Miscavige was constantly on us about, like he'd be come up to me oh, you're still married to him. And and then, when I was moved to Religious Technology Center, he he alleged that I didn't qualify anymore because I was sleeping with the enemy, ie, my husband of 13 years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, we did talk about this early latter day, latter day.
Speaker 2:How's my?
Speaker 1:family doing. They're doing what they're doing. You know it is what it is and we're all trying to make the best of it. And yeah, moving forward, matt Denny question it. And, um, yeah, moving forward, matt denny question do we think, with more and more people being aware of the destructive nature of scientology, and therefore less and less people joining scientology, will eventually peter out into nothing? We hope so. Yeah, I, I want it to. Um, I don't what, I don't want it to burn out. I would. What is it? Uh, the better to burn out than to fade away. We want it to burn out, not fade away.
Speaker 1:They could just get, they could lose one big lawsuit and then that would be the end of everything. It just takes them being convicted. Really, it takes Scientology being convicted of any kind of criminal or felony or organized crime or taxes or mail fraud. There's any one of 20 different dominoes that could fall and the whole thing will fall, and Scientology knows this and we've been picking away at so many different parts, like in Europe. The big thing for them is privacy and operating without a medical license. In Scientology, they're keeping every single document on you that you have ever done anything in Scientology they're keeping that hard copy. And if you've been in a session, have ever done anything in Scientology, they're keeping that hard copy. And if you've been in a session, they're recording your confessionals and they're keeping those. In an EU there's. They're not.
Speaker 1:Somebody's going to come forward and say I want you to get rid of all my files and they're going to say well, we can't, because Hubbard said you can't get rid of any files. You can never destroy files, even if somebody writes like you. They send you a piece of promo or they send you a mailing and you write back Zeno is my homeboy. I love body thetans or whatever. They don't delete your file, they just write dead file on it. They keep the file. They just mark it as a dead file so you don't mail to it because this person's suppressive. But they still keep the files. They still have all our files To this day. They have all of our stuff. They haven't destroyed it. They have it and they use it. All these videos. They know who our family members are. They know who. If we said oh, when I was a kid I threw my sister in a dumpster, or something like that, and they go hey, you need to do a video about Mark throwing you in this dumpster.
Speaker 2:We went through his files and then they do a video on me throwing my sister or the the cracker licking I know this cracker licking thing really took on the whole mind of its own yeah, that one is bullshit of course that one I mean totally seriously, I would you know me, I don't like anything like that, and also messing with people's food is like that's awful. The worst you ever did to me was the you know, harry, the tarantula.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't spring him on you I was keeping him in a bucket as a pet.
Speaker 2:In our bedroom.
Speaker 1:Harry was an awesome tarantula Hell no, hell to the no.
Speaker 2:I got home I was like what the hell's? Like it's harry. I'm like harry is going in the garage okay, last one uh, comment, severance has been greenlit, go see got season got season three. Nice, yes, amazing.
Speaker 1:That means we'll have to do a, we'll have to do another episode. You guys tell us in the comments uh, if you want us to do another one of these even before season three comes out, because there are we. There's a ton of things that people have written yeah, and there's a ton of more things we can talk about. If, if um people think that.
Speaker 1:Uh yeah, one person says rama scavenge senior had a car, I think yeah, he did yes yeah, and he was one of those people that was giving rides to people also and he used it to escape and he used it to escape. And I was going to say one other thing that is the biggest problem with the people that had cars. Yeah, they were always the ones that escaped right like melissa feshbeck anybody who had a vehicle.
Speaker 2:Yep, marty rathbun on his motorcycle on his motorcycle yeah, uh, his motorcycle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, All these people Jesse, Radstrom and Tiffany. When they tried to escape, it was because he had a car.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and even actually John Stumpke and Lawrence. John Stumpke, they escaped in an org vehicle, yeah, but they went into town and dropped it at the bus station or something and then you know like, transferred to some, but they used the org vehicle to get out of there, the organization's vehicle that they were driving.
Speaker 1:Crazy Okay guys. Well, thanks for joining us. If you want us to make some more of the, we call it, the collection in the merch store is going to be Xenu and the Body Thetans, which I think is a great band name. If anybody wants to do that, that would be really fun. But if you want, clara, made some BTs Activate stuff. So we're going to do. We're definitely doing mugs, because that's a totally a mug thing all day long, but we're also going to do shirts and at least stickers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:If you guys want something else, if you want hoodies, bt's activate hoodies let me know. We'll cook some of those up.
Speaker 2:Yep.
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