Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
The Triangle of Control: Inside RTC's Secret Authority Over Scientology - Scientology Secrets #1
We uncover how Scientology is systematically erasing evidence of David Miscavige's control structure, including the recent removal of "Matters of RTC Concern" from their official websites after decades of existence.
• The RTC "triangle" on Scientology org boards has been quietly removed, eliminating visual evidence of how David Miscavige can bypass all command channels
• Scientology's pattern of revisionism includes erasing knowledge of FBI raids and high-profile departures within the organization
• Int Base manufacturing was relocated to Los Angeles to counter human trafficking allegations after our lawsuit highlighted staff living and working in the same location
• Weekly room inspections called "Clean Ship Program" allowed Ethics Officers to search personal belongings under the guise of cleanliness checks
• Security at Int Base confiscated personal items, including night vision goggles found by Marc, with guards known to cherry-pick possessions from people who escaped
• Scientology manipulates immigration status and work permits to control international Sea Org members, leaving them vulnerable if they attempt to leave
If you have questions about Scientology secrets you'd like us to explore in future episodes, email claire@blownforgood.com or leave a comment on this video.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of I think we'll call this one Scientology Secrets. This is a Q&A. We're going to do a Q&A, and joined with me today is my lovely wife Claire.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, great to see everybody. Thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 1:As usual, we want you to let us know where you're watching from or listening from, and the secret word today is secrets with an S. We are going to talk about a bunch of Scientology secrets today, and if you want to enter in to win, we do a giveaway at the end of each episode. Sometimes people would pay us to do a giveaway and so we'd always end up doing a giveaway, so now we just do a giveaway. We do one giveaway, no matter what, at the end of each video, and then that way, we don't have to have people sending in donations to to prompt us to do a giveaway. Yes, yeah, so if you want to put up a, we'll put up some of the folks where they're coming in from here. You can read them.
Speaker 2:Yes, looking forward to a live hammy to pagan, all right.
Speaker 1:It's ham it up again, babe.
Speaker 2:Ham it up again and she's on a roll. Becky, big brother fan yes, can't wait to see this. Katie D yes, 7. Pm Ireland, I'll be there. Awesome, good Thanks for joining us. Katie Love food kitchen in the house. I'm happy. The thumbnail includes an updated photo with the magnificent beard, mark. I mean, I'm not suggesting Claire is sporting a beard these days, although she can if she wants, of course.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you for your equality. You cannot, how about?
Speaker 2:that, anita, looking forward to another live Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. Anita, hi, from the Netherlands. There you go, awesome. Claudia Rupp. Claudia from Wisconsin. Awesome. Thank you for joining us, lupita. Any guesses on the word of the day? My guess is hashtag beard. There you go.
Speaker 1:Yes, no it's secrets.
Speaker 2:It's got to be on topic for what we're covering that's the only requirement or even beard for good.
Speaker 1:What did Scientology try to get the nickname changed to?
Speaker 2:So we all know it's blown for good. Scientology, during our lawsuit, was trying to run this whole campaign that they were going to make us broke for good. Fail Beard for good is a much happier twist on blown for good. Hi, claire, mark and everybody, I'm enjoying a rare cloudy day in Central Texas and looking forward to some culty secrets. Goldenrod, sp. Love to all. Nice, thank you for joining us. Kb Audible oh, auntie Patty is an SP. New London, connecticut, sweet. Thank you for joining us. Hi from DC Awesome. Greetings from Myrtle Beach, south Carolina. Betsy, sue, just call me Betsy. Shannon Graves hello from Central Florida. Thanks for joining us, shannon. Good to see you. Becky, big Brother Fan. Good evening from Reading, berkshire, nice One Love 51,000,. Hello from Pennsylvania, awesome. Agt Mom, north Carolina, here, sweet. Good to see you, kit Kat. Hi from the UK. Hashtag secrets yes, boom. Secrets from Connecticut Awesome. So I have a question there. There was a space in between the hashtag and secrets. Is that going to be entered or should we tell her to do it again? I?
Speaker 1:don't know, you know, I don't know StreamYard. I mean, I won a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2:I saw that it was the week that I was on vacation.
Speaker 1:Seems like StreamYard's up for anything it needs some R&R, yeah, exactly. Speaking of up for anything.
Speaker 2:Claire.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. She doesn't want to wear her glasses, even though she needs to wear glasses to read. But she figured out how to make the font so big on the comments that she could just read it that way. But I said, oh, you're, so you're going to be free balling today with no glasses? She said no, free wheeling. And I said no, it's free balling. And she says no, no, no. And then tell them what you told me.
Speaker 2:So my point was hey, we're a blown for good channel. We talk about exposing Scientology. So you know how young beard man over here has a fascination with talking about the alien aspect of certain cults, specifically Scientology, and therefore I explained to him that, as part of the Wall of Fire, ot3. Operating Thetan Level 3. Ot three, um operating Thetan level three. Operating Thetan level three, where you address and supposedly release your body Thetans, if you're not doing a good job, then your body Thetans start freewheeling which means this is a Scientology secret.
Speaker 2:It really is, which means that they become the dominant being and they take over. And so, for example, when I was escaping, greg Wilhair, the you know David Miscavige's deputy, said you're freewheeling, I'm like whatever.
Speaker 1:That means the BTs are controlling you and you're not no longer in control of your body, but the VTs are controlling you.
Speaker 2:You've let your case, your case, get out of control, are you guys?
Speaker 1:hearing this. This is some Scientology secret action right here. They think that the aliens can take over and this is called freewheeling. Okay, and I just think freewheeling is a funny word it is.
Speaker 2:It kind of reminds me of um that uh blade runner movie it kind of reminds you of blade freewheeling.
Speaker 1:What do they say in blade runner, don't they just know when the robots go?
Speaker 2:right out of control, they start freewheeling they're doing their own thing now.
Speaker 1:Yes, they're not doing their job, they're. They're doing their own thing now. Yes, they're not doing their job, they're. They're doing their their own on a walkabout.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, or you know a Terminator or whatever, like alien takeovers. That's crazy guys.
Speaker 1:This is crazy. This is science. This is a real thing in Scientology.
Speaker 2:We're not um not making it up.
Speaker 1:Freewheeling is actually a thing.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Now, the reason why we're doing, we wanted to do this episode today was, I want to say, last year sometime, we updated the Blown for Good website we had not updated it in like 10 years or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even more, just sold the book, that's it. We just had a book on there. It sold my book and that's really all the website was, and it was a place to send people to so they could buy my book. And then, yeah, last year sometime, we updated it and even though our old website was just a podunk like page that sold a book, it was tried to get hacked by. Sein told you, try to hack this website. I lost count.
Speaker 1:It just was always a thing that, oh, the website's down again. I'd be like, oh man, and then we'd have to update something, because when the site gets attacked, the people that are hosting the site, they don't want you to get compromised, so they just turn the site off. Or they basically just say, hey, there's a bunch of issues with the site, we're going to turn it off and you've got to fix this. You've got to fix this. Is you got to fix something anyway?
Speaker 1:And um, so over the years we had like the highest level security you could get on the site and we have to basically have a web person full-time. It's. I can't keep up with webs. I got enough work to do on my own. I can't be keeping up with website nonsense anyway. So we've always pretty much had a website person. And then finally we just said hey, you know what? We're going to get a whole new site. We're going to do, upgrade the whole thing. We're also going to make it so people can send us messages. Okay, so they can just go on the site and put a message in and then send it. And, um, and it was awesome. And for the first few months it was like, oh, we were getting a few messages here and there, people were using it to send us messages.
Speaker 2:Right, but to be honest, speaking for myself in all this, when we do the giveaways, I always give the whole spiel that everyone's familiar with of send me an email, claire at blownforgoodcom, and I kind of forgot that we had this other avenue for people to send us messages.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we started getting messages just on email and through social media, on X and Facebook or whatever. Anyway, somebody I want to say if Bear's mom is in here, if anybody sees Bear's mom it was Bear's mom sent us a message.
Speaker 2:She did.
Speaker 1:And then she wrote in the comments of a video or some other way. She said, hey, did you get my message? Yes, and we didn't get her message. And we were like, I don't know, I didn't get her message.
Speaker 2:So I answered and I said, hey, thanks so much. No, I did not get your message. Can you please resend it? So then she said okay, I did that. And then I'm like, okay, now something funny is going on because I have definitely not received the message. And then there she said I sent it through your website. And which is what was like oh, wait a minute. Oh, houston, we have a problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then we found the messages and it looks like about like two months into the new message system. We had to update the website or there was a something, and when we did that it broke the part that once you send the message, it then forwards it to us. So that forwarding part was off.
Speaker 2:So instead, the bucket was just filling and it wasn't going anywhere which is unfortunate.
Speaker 1:So I told Claire, I said we should just do one hour just Q&A the whole time, even though we've been yapping half this time, and then we would just answer a lot of these questions. And I told Claire, let's go through them and make sure that there's stuff we haven't covered a million times and that there's sort of like secrets that Scientology doesn't want you to know about.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So what's the? What's the first? Oh look at people. Oh look, shannon says Mark, these are not the secrets, claire wondered out. That is true I said speaking of freewheeling, speaking of free balling, or whatever it was, anyway, okay, so what's the first one?
Speaker 2:Sorry, yeah, no, that's okay. So are you going to pull up the note?
Speaker 1:The note.
Speaker 2:Yeah, don't we have things ready.
Speaker 1:Well, either way, oh my God, now she wants me to do a note. You got to send me a note, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well then, fine, I'll just read it, for which I'm going to need my glasses.
Speaker 1:I can pull it up. I can pull it up. You just have to show me where it is.
Speaker 2:I don't have anything, I texted it to you.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, folks here it is no, it's okay.
Speaker 2:It's okay, I got it.
Speaker 1:Viewer messages. Viewer messages. I found it. I found it. What I won't say the word, here we go. Viewer messages. Okay, good, okay, rtc previous.
Speaker 2:Okay, you want me to read this because now I have to read it, or do you want to? Just? No, yeah, so I'll. I'll give the backstory first. So in going through the messages from viewers which thank you very much to everybody who sent us a message and we will be getting back to you Somebody sent us a message and we won't mention any names unless you say it's OK for us to mention who you are. So all of these are anonymous, other than Bear's mom, who we already said thank you to. A viewer sent us a message referencing the fact that last year in Leah Remini's court case year in Leah Remini's court case Mike Rinder and I both submitted extensive affidavits and mine specifically covered what's known as Matters of RTC Religious Technology Center, David Miscavige's organization. So Matters of RTC Concern, and it was long, long, long lists of all the things that Religious Technology Center can investigate as the internal affairs section of Scientology or the Inspector General Network.
Speaker 1:It's basically like a get out of jail free card for David Miscavige, because when L Ron Hubbard wrote everything up about Scientology, he made all these rules for the organization so that nobody can just come in and do whatever they want. They got to go through what these things are called command channels and has to go through this person. That basically makes it so every part of Scientology is siloed and so and there's only a certain way to get into a certain part of it and it has to be through this whole structure. Basically, just come in to any organization in all of Scientology If any one of these things are present or they suspect are present, these nefarious activities and trying to do bad things inside Scientology and these matters of RTC concern basically give him permission to whenever he wants. He can go into any organization and order or take somebody off of their post or declare somebody as suppressive or whatever.
Speaker 2:That pretty much is it right, correct, yes, which is how David Miscavige is involved in overseeing all of the fair game operations. That's how he had involvement in the wrongful death of Lisa McPherson at the Fort Harrison. Anyway, there's a whole long list of things that we could cite and give specifics that David Miscavige was directly involved in, but the matters of RTC concern document how that is possible. That's the point. So this viewer sent us this email and pointed out to us that correctly and astutely and thank you so much for bringing this to our attention that within the last month the matters of RTC concern have been completely struck from the RTC website boom, eliminated, gone.
Speaker 2:And we thought you know what this is worth talking about, because Scientology has this history of revisionism, like, for example ask any Scientologist hey, are you aware that the FBI raided Scientology in LA and in Canada? And you know, not the FBI but government agencies, and I'm willing to bet you money that any current Scientologist will be unaware of that. They won't know about Mary Sue Hubbard, they won't know about Shelley Miscavige, they won't know about the raids. It's just and again, that's a well-known example. But this is fascinating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the other thing is they took it off all of the Scientology org boards.
Speaker 1:So in Scientology when you are at an organization, l Ron Hubbard wrote this policy called the Organizing Board, and every Scientology when you are at an organization, l Ron Hubbard wrote this policy called the Organizing Board, and every Scientology organization has an Organizing Board and it's usually seven divisions and it has divisions and department heads and all these things.
Speaker 1:And then it has the Administrative Council, which is all of the division heads, which is all of the division heads, and then it has this thing called the executive council, which is all of the executives that preside over multiple divisions. It's them as a committee, and then it has the executive director at the top and a few other folks, but then off to the side in a triangle they have religious technology center. Basically, everybody else has to go through all these command channels, but this triangle can basically enter into the organization at any point that it wants to, and when I went to go Google one of these things, all the triangles had been removed. There's no versions of it out there that have RTC on it anymore, except for on this guy named Mike Rinder.
Speaker 2:On his podcast page he has an old copy that hadn't been revised and it shows the command chart of Scientology and you see, at the top it has this triangle and the triangle basically symbolizes that's sort of RTC's, one of their imagery, one of their yeah, and it's defined as it's specifically a triangle, because you can slide it up and down, being it can go into any level of any Scientology organization, as also documented by the matters of RTC concern that, conveniently now, though they've been in existence since 1984, are now just gone, vanished, boom removed this is an interesting document too, because it shows every single thing in scientology on one page.
Speaker 1:So you can see celebrity center there and you can see the um.
Speaker 1:You have the watchdog committee like basically everybody in this top square is at the int base right, and that's rectangle sorry like watchdog committee, has now also been abolished by david miscavige yeah, but but my point is that you have religious technology center up here at the top in the triangle, yeah, and then you have cmo int, which is commodore's messenger organization international, and then I can't see what that little box says, but it's probably something like the networks or something like that. Then you have executive director international and then you have golden era productions. So this entire box that was all at one. Nine, 65 highways, 79 California, I think it's actually seven, five, six or something like that was all at 1965.
Speaker 2:Highways 79 Gilman, hot Springs, california. I think it's actually 92756 or something like that 92583 babe. Falling down. In my old age, my memory might be getting a tad Rusty, along with my eyeballs.
Speaker 1:The worst thing is, I know all the LA addresses too. Yes, 6331 Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 2:Hey, I remember my phone number from when I was 10 years old.
Speaker 1:I remember the saint hill england phone number 24571 okay, anyway, this triangle can go into any of these points. Then you have the next. It's actually I want to. I'll show this. This is another good secret. So the, the international headquarters of all of scientology, this top rectangle is in in is in gilman hot springs, california. You just look up golden air productions and it just you can google maps anything, it'll tell you. That's there. This next box, this is 6331 hollywood boulevard, where it says fcb, the flag command bureau. Um, they've many, many different names over the years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ilo, ilo.
Speaker 1:Whatever, but this whole box of all these organizations.
Speaker 2:You have word salad in the real world, but in Scientology there's acronym salad. It's a new, it's just. You know, as you guys know, we try hard to not go there. But you know, feel free to criticize us when we slip.
Speaker 1:Clara says y'all's good memories scare me, yeah, yeah. Anyway, it should.
Speaker 2:Mark has photographic memory. I have numeric memory, right, Annie.
Speaker 1:Yes, I would say so. She can remember bank cards from eight years ago.
Speaker 2:Employer identification numbers, all that kind of stuff yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this next box down is that 6331 Hollywood Boulevard. That is what's called the Hollywood Guarantee Building and it's an old bank building that was bought by Scientology in the 1980s and it was refurbished and that's where of all these boxes are. And then, as you go over to the lower one, you have the continental liaison offices. So these are all like East US, west US, anzo, whatever they call Denmark, eu, uk, that's all those Sea Org bases are in that box. And then you have CMO Cont. So in each continent where there's one of these continental liaison office, there's a Commodores Messenger org for that continent. And then you have what's called FSSO. That's the flagship service organization. That's the Freewinds. So that's the organization on the Freewinds. It's kind of like its own continent. Organization on the free winds is kind of like its own continent. And then it has um three organizations. It's crazy, on this one ship they have three different organizations and they all have their own org boards and they all have their own accounting systems.
Speaker 2:It's actually four when you count ias being on. Oh my god, that's right four. So you have. You have what's called the fsso that's right.
Speaker 1:Four, so that you have. You have what's called the fsso, that's the flagship service organization. Then you have um the crew flag crew. Yeah, well they, what do they call it? Ship crew uh f, yeah, they call it ship crew, because flag has flag crew fc something or other flag service. Whatever it's the crew, it's the crew organization, whatever flagship crew organization whatever Flagship crew organization Okay. And then they have the CMO ship.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So they have a CMO organization, a set of these young gals running around yelling at people.
Speaker 2:The Ms Wongs for the CMO ship.
Speaker 1:And then they have the IASA, which is the IAS administrations, and the reason they have all these in this one place is because they're in international waters.
Speaker 2:Yes and, by the way, circling back to viewer messages, somebody asked like hey, why haven't they so with all the real estate holdings and expansion and ideal org program? They asked why haven't they done that with the with it, with a cruise ship? Because it's just this tiny podunk boat from the 80s compared to you know, like, if you anyway, and the answer to that for me is they have had so many problems with staff on that ship because they tend to be disconnected and they can't be controlled so much. Yeah, and they've just had so many issues. That's why they haven't gotten a bigger yeah, done more cruise ships.
Speaker 1:I think you're 100, right?
Speaker 2:I think they have shelly, shelly muskavage used to call it the love boat. Did you know that?
Speaker 1:yeah, and, and also isn't that where they sent there used to be a really hot steward that would uh kind of show put, show herself off for Dave, and didn't she? Shelley sent her to the cruise ship as sort of a banishment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where they would banish anybody that they didn't want, Like that's what they did to Valeska Paris. That's what they did to Don Jason.
Speaker 1:That's right. It basically was like you were being sent somewhere to be controlled, but it was the nicest of places to get sent. So you're in the Caribbean, you're on a ship, whatever, but most of those people could never leave the ship. They would go to islands or they would dock somewhere. They weren't allowed to get off the ship. They were basically secured or restricted to the ship itself.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:Don Jason. You can look up Don Jason's story. I'm pretty sure Don Jason climbed down the rope.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he like ziplined. Yeah, he liked to be sure. Yeah, no, it was covered in a Tampa Bay Times article.
Speaker 1:Like some hardcore getaway action right there.
Speaker 2:And these again these are scientology secrets, folks yeah, um the thing, scientology, would much rather you not, but the reason I was highlighting the ship thing is because they're in international waters.
Speaker 1:The international association of scientologists takes in all these giant. These are where you get these million, ten million dollar donations and five million dollar, one million and 30, and so being in there's a benefit for them being operating out of the Netherlands or Panama or whatever flag they're flying under to, to basically not have to worry about any problems with the dough.
Speaker 2:I'm willing to bet money that Scientology has thoroughly investigated how to maximize use of offshore accounts, among other things.
Speaker 1:You don't think? Listen to CSI FSO over here, anyway. Okay, what's another thing about the notes?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, let's pull up the notes so that we did RTC matters, we did the yeah, okay. Matters of concern you want me to read the next one? That I have sure? All right, I'll go ahead and put my glasses on, okay, so let's see. Oh, this was just a funny one that I thought you might enjoy. Honey, because of you guys, whenever I see r2d2 put his probe in a port, I immediately think r2d2 out 2d, out, 2d, of course being the scientology for you know yeah, sexual relations without uh proper without marital pre-ordainment r2d2 was getting his act, getting it, getting it on with uh, another computer there anyway, dear mark and claire, I'm now reading your astonishing Blown for Good, a riveting and enjoyable read.
Speaker 2:I've also read the accounts of their escapes from Scientology by Mike Rinder, leah Remini, jenna Miscavige Hill, along with the stories of less well-known people who have been held against their will at Scientology bases and had to escape. I have one burning question Scientology bases and had to escape. I have one burning question why in the have law enforcement agencies local, state and federal not raided gold base and kicked in the doors? It would seem that they have ample evidence of kidnapping, false imprisonment, thousands of violations of child labor laws and just possibly much worse. Is Shelley Miscavige even alive? I doubt it. Thank you for making your stories public. I believe your book and those of other defectors from that depraved cult will help bring this organization down. There you go. That's the message. So yes, law enforcement, there are many ongoing investigations. I know it's frustratingly slow. Yep, it's been what. 15 years ago, you and I were confidential informants.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for the FBI. We saw Claire and I have seen drone footage government drone footage of the headquarters of Scientology. They were watching them. They had people all over the place keeping eyes on them and it's funny, when we had our lawsuit against Scientology. This is what Scientology does they use the lawsuits to smoke out any weaknesses and they have billions of dollars worth of attorneys that rearrange and say you've got to do this or you got to do that, you got to do this, and then they make these more, these things into existence. And so in our case, we were saying, hey, there's, there's people living and working at this place and they're not allowed to leave. Well, that's a huge human trafficking indicator If you have someone living and working in the same location, and so they. And also if you're making things that are for sale, right. So if you're producing a product and it's for sale and you live and work all in the same place, that happens. That's pretty much.
Speaker 2:And especially if you add in details like they hold your passports, yes, they read your mail, you cannot call out, you know just minor details like that. That kind of adds to and compounds the problem.
Speaker 1:So, as one of the things Scientology did, was they cut off all production of anything at that property.
Speaker 1:So there was a huge manufacturing facility there at that property that would make DVDs and CDs and laser discs and VHS tapes and cassette tapes and all these different things, and what they did was they essentially abolished all of that and had to move it to Los Angeles, because in Los Angeles they were setting up these printing facilities. They basically just took everything and put it into these facilities and um, excuse me. And so they shut down all of the things that got produced at that Gilman hotsprings property because of this thing where people were living and working. So it's okay if they have people that are managing people there, because they're not producing any um in income, they're not generating um, they're not generating revenue by selling something. So essentially what they're doing now is from what we've been told is that everybody there at the property just cleans film like original negatives, they're going through and cleaning them in the computer and they're doing busy work as long as they need to until everybody there just dies out and then that property can just be nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which I heard from somebody recently that got a tour of that property and they just said there was barely any staff visible or present and that it of course felt extremely staged are present and that it of course felt extremely staged and I was like, well, yeah, it's been staged since since we were there, since, you know, it's just long term, that's what they do. They, you with scientology, only ever see what they want you to see, which is why we've always been in a pain in their side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well then the other was. So that was the sort of the manufacturing part of it. Well, also, what happened at that property and one of the things I was made I was heavily involved in the manufacturing, but I was heavily involved in this other aspect was that we shot TV commercials. We saw, we shot ads for Scientology, we shot internal Scientology fundraising videos, we shot Scientology technical training films and public information series. Well, those items will often get turned into something that's either sold to Scientology individuals or sold to Scientology organizations. So none of that could be happening there, scientology organizations. So none of that could be happening there. And I want to say, up until 2005, when we left, we'd probably spent a hundred million dollars either building buildings, setting up equipment, building that giant film studio, all the film equipment, all of the there's the printing.
Speaker 1:Well, no, that was the part of the manufacturing Right. What I'm saying in terms of just the media and audio and video production and film production. There's multiple studios. There's the L Ron Hubbard Music Studio, there's the Studio One, studio Two, ron's Audio Visual Studio. There's 14 audio recording booths all the spanish, castilian, taiwanese. They have all these individual studios. We should probably do another tour of the gold base at one time where we just go through every single place and all the stuff that was there yeah, that could be part of the scientology secrets there we go maybe
Speaker 1:this should be a new series, scientology secrets. We'll just this will be the first episode sounds. We can just do Scientology Secrets every week, but anyway. So they set up this giant manufacturing place and then they set up another place called Scientology Media Productions and that used this old studio that used to belong to KCET, and so now all the things that manufacturing and golden era productions are being done at this place I think they call it Alice or I can't remember the name of the building they call it and then this new place, scientology Media Productions. Those two buildings replaced the gold base and all of the people that were in management remember when we showed you that board where they had these guys at the top here, the watchdog committee. All of those guys. They do nothing, they don't have any purpose. David Miscavige, his little triangle, replaced every single thing in that top box, every single thing that was in that box.
Speaker 2:So if you just grow that triangle to just block out that rectangular box, that's kind of what happened, right?
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Graphically that's what took place.
Speaker 1:And we think one of the reasons this is being done is because, again, like when Scientology we say, hey, they live there, they work there, they sell things there poof, they move all that away. Okay, now another lawsuit comes along and says David Miscavige controls the entire thing and that's why they have this matters of our. Now, that's gone.
Speaker 2:And now the triangles are disappearing. So each time, hey, labor law violations. Oh, guess what? Everybody, you're a volunteer. Sign a new 10 page document that says you're a volunteer and you're totally fine with working 150 hours a week, or whatever the maximum number of hours in a week, for $46 a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. What's another thing we wanted to talk about?
Speaker 2:Okay, let me get my notes back up again here. Okay, so next on the list, let's see here. I want to personally thank you, claire and Mark, for teaching me about what Scientology really is and it's dehumanizing tactics, along with Leah Christy, amy Matt, john Atack and, of course, mike Rinder. Thank you very much. Question really wanting to read your book. I have an Amazon gift card, but your book is $13 134 on there. Is there a reason the price is so high on there compared to everywhere else? So the reason I put this on the list is just to tell everybody we do not sell mark's book on amazon anymore except for kindle.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, and audible yes, kindle and audible sorry but the actual physical book.
Speaker 2:We just sell that on the website because it was just easier and less hassle and, frankly, cheaper.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in the very beginning, when we first were selling the book on Amazon, it was easy peasy. We fulfilled it, everything was fine. And over the years, when Amazon started sort of saying, hey, we're not going to offer this as prime or whatever, unless you give it to us, and then they charge you for giving it to them, they charge you for storing it and then if you don't do fulfillment by Amazon, you're not the preferential seller.
Speaker 2:It's just ridiculous that the I mean the terms of service has has gone through so many evolutions and iterations that it's kind of scary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so on Amazon, we have the Kindle and we have the Audible, and the reason you have to use Amazon is because they're the biggest, so you got to put it on there, right. But you can get it anywhere. You can get it on Apple, any place you want to get the book, the audio book or the Kindle, you can pretty much get it. The digital book, you can get it anywhere on any service.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but also selling through the, through the BFG website, means that every single copy is signed by both Mark and I. That's right. So, and you know, there you go.
Speaker 1:It's the same price it was when it was on Amazon unsigned. So, yeah, exactly, we're trying to hear folks, but the but. The other thing is that Scientology they kept trying to hack our website and so sometimes people wouldn't be able to get the book because we were just selling it through the website. So the way we have it now, it's in a store and it's all. It's not even us really. The store end is fourth wall, so they take care of everything and they have much more robust security than we could ever have.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, all right. Next one Hi, claire and Mark. I listened to your podcast and I joined your YouTube channel, but I have not yet been able to figure out how to watch you live. I know you two have other businesses, but how do people know when you're going live and where do I go to see you both live?
Speaker 1:That's a great question. All you have to do is click the subscribe button and then there's a little bell and if you click the bell then you'll get notified. You have to have to make sure you have it set up so that YouTube can notify you, and but either way, if you have it set up, you'll get. When we post we usually post a day or two before we're going to do a video and then when the video goes live, you get notified. Hey, these guys went live and we try to like vamp it up for a few minutes at the beginning. So you get a few minutes if you see it and then, if you don't, you just watch the replay and it's really the same thing, except for it's not not as much possibility that we're going to read your comment if you're watching it four hours after we did the video.
Speaker 2:True, true, and for the most part, now we have started to get into a bit of a routine where every Sunday we try, you know, work and family schedule permitting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been doing the video every Sunday for a few weeks now and supposedly people like it, so we'll keep doing it. You guys like it. There's more people watch, people like it, so we'll keep doing it. You guys like it and there's more people watch. But if it does help us, it's a silly thing. But YouTube is a reward based system and if you don't get the reward of the subscription, they don't really hook you up and kind of move you into people's things to view. But if you hit the subscribe button, it at least shows the video is there to be watched and to more people.
Speaker 2:So and it also improves our chances of getting into Scientologist feeds who need to know that they have a way out and that there are many people who are willing to help them do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's true, and we do and, to be honest and this is a huge problem with our channel is that we do have quite a bit of Scientologists that watch and they ain't subscribing because they know Scientologists are going to figure out how to have their YouTube and figure out that they subscribe to us, so they don't subscribe, they just don't. Everyone we've talked to is like are you crazy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Because, and I think you know what I think that has to do with is that that involves an action For a Scientologist like that they just watched something isn't necessarily like oh, it just happened to come on. This is 100% a thing, if they click a button, that means they did something. It's an overt that they committed.
Speaker 1:It's an overt of commission, which is much worse than an overt of omission yes, like oops, I omitted to um.
Speaker 2:Click off the page when the video started playing is much worse than I pushed a button yeah, and subscribed.
Speaker 1:I fat fingered a comment, so I'm just going to answer it while you figure I'll read it out.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, how come the f FBI closed down Nixxiom and sent Keith to prison for 120 years and DM David Miscavige is still sleeping on his own bed every night, right? So Scientology, um got, was well ahead of Keith. Had he had he uh formed it as, as a religion, he would have been fine.
Speaker 1:Right, sarah's, exactly the that was his one.
Speaker 2:I talked about this on on an interview that we did on the channel.
Speaker 1:We'll put a link to that in the description.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Remind me to do that, somebody, okay, anyway, yes, thank you for 20 audits. Ireland hey, we've got somebody from Ireland. He had a good comment there. Yeah, from Ireland, who had a good comment there. Yeah, the one thing that Keith Rainieri or however you say his name messed up is that he didn't make it a religion. So, yes, sucks to suck. Okay, back to your list there.
Speaker 2:Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1:We'll do questions in 10 minutes. We'll do questions and then the giveaway.
Speaker 2:Okay, perfect. First and most importantly, I want to extend you my sympathy for the loss of your dear friend Mike Rinder, such a brave soul. I listen on CastBox. I can only access the Q&A episodes as podcasts. I've not seen a Spy Files or any of Claire's interviews since back in October 2024. Where can I access the spy files and Claire's interviews? Help, there you go.
Speaker 1:I think that's on the podcast. I have to figure that out. I don't think I. I don't think I ever released the spy files as a podcast because I was going through all these documents. Okay, I'll have to look at that, but either way, you can get the spy files on. All the spy files are on YouTube and that's where I essentially read all of the Scientology internal documents that were on me that I was able to get ahold of after Mike left and then I also. There's a bunch of other documents that I've read on there too, about all these other internal documents of Scientology. I might go through and do more of them in the future. There's just it takes a lot of work to go through that because it's just thousands and thousands of I think it's 40,000 pages of documents in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and translating to even be able to understand what's being talked about. It may as well be in a foreign language is.
Speaker 1:It's all in scientologies and it's just, it's it. There's so much. You have to say who the players on the document are, then you have to explain a bunch of terms. Then it's a lot of work to sort of. But if you like that and you see the spy files, then comment and bloopity, bloop, bloopity in the comments and we'll, maybe we'll do some more of those.
Speaker 2:Oh, put up this. Would you put up this comment from nasty Nathaniel, by the way? I just noticed it and it was worth.
Speaker 1:Okay, is it in the?
Speaker 2:It's in the recent chat.
Speaker 1:Did somebody star it? No Okay.
Speaker 2:I have a question, mark. I read your blown for Blown for Good, fascinating read. I wanted to know if security guard Danny Dunnigan was really as bad as he's been in videos.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is a great question, Nathaniel. If you read, I'm pretty sure Danny's pretty prominent in the book as well.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But I don't know I'm going to tell you his story about. I don't know that that I even wrote this in the book about the, about the um, the night vision goggles.
Speaker 2:Um, I don't remember. I don't think you did. I think it was one that didn't make it.
Speaker 1:Okay, we lived in a house um on sublet road which was right next to the international headquarters on the golf course. It was a very nice house 50 years ago and it never was ever upgraded when Scientology bought it. But we lived in this house and we were with multiple couples at least two other couples If they weren't married. It was just two girls that were in a room together and another couple. I remember all different houses we lived in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one that you escaped from was with Lyman Spurlock and Carol Spurlock, mike Sutter and Anka Sutter, and didn't we have, like Tori or one other person that lived in the other room for anyway?
Speaker 1:Maybe, at least we had this room with two other couples. At least we had this room with two other couples. I, when we moved into the house, it was somebody's house that lived there for 20 years on the golf course and then they sold it and moved on and they just left all their stuff. They didn't take anything with them, like, the kitchen table was their kitchen table. The kitchen table that we had in that house was the kitchen table from the people that lived there before.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the garage was full of junk and I started going through the garage one day just looking through stuff at 1.30 in the morning when I got home and I found a pair of night vision goggles and they were amazing. They were military goggles that were night vision anyway. And, um, I can't remember why, but for some reason danny dunnigan was at our house and they were doing an inspection and they confiscated the night vision goggles and I was like what was the weirdest thing? Why would you do that anyway? Um, he just wanted them. So he confiscated them because they were. Why would I need those? And then I found out from other security guards that that was a thing that Danny did. He just picked through people's stuff and when they left, when somebody blew, he did the same thing. He'd go through their stuff and they'd cherry pick the good stuff. And then the person if they even asked for their stuff which most of the time they wouldn't, but if they did ask for their stuff to be sent to them, they'd still have to be in touch with Scientology.
Speaker 2:And that's probably by the way, a huge part of why they started inventorying people's belongings which we'll absolutely have to do a deep dive on our inventory.
Speaker 1:Yes, 60 pages we will do that. Yeah, we should do that, we should absolutely do that.
Speaker 2:It's crazy.
Speaker 1:You have not seen that's a good Scientology secrets one. It is completely and we can talk about what led up to it, like the people who escaped, whose gold coins vanished things like that, so many good ones and plus I have stories about this from when I was in the cadet organization as a child.
Speaker 2:They did the same thing back then in England.
Speaker 1:Apostate Alex says in the outside world that's called theft, completely yeah, it is theft. So back to nasty Nathaniel. Yes, Danny is a huge D-bag in real life, in videos, in my book, in his own life he is just a giant piece.
Speaker 2:But let me tell my most recent Danny Dunn again story. So I want to say it was in let's see 2010. And 10, I was working with Tom Tobin and Joe Childs from Tampa Bay Times at the time doing a whole, like they were essentially doing a whole reenactment with me of when I escaped. Like what happened? Where were you? We literally went everywhere. We went to the house on Sublet Road, we went to the Riverside bus station, we went to the walmart. Anyway, we, we go to sublet road, which is what, like a quarter of a mile down the road from from the property and connected.
Speaker 1:It's. It's it's directly adjacent to the at the property line right and it's also it's on the entire property line of the golf course, which is also owned by them. So Sublet Road, for all intents and purposes, was completely surrounded by Scientology property. The entire road, yes, and the only road. The only part that wasn't was the highway Right. The part that it wasn't was the Highway 79.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. So we're in the car with Joe Childs, tom Tobin, pull up on Sublet Road. So as we pull, as we're pulling into the road before we even get to our house, they said to me, joe specifically turned to me and he said so how long do you think it's going to take for security to show up? I was like, ah, maybe a minute, maybe two, and they were like way, and sure enough, like the car stopped, joe opened the door. Before I even opened my door, boom, there's danny dunnigan on a bike or in the car on a motorcycle
Speaker 1:yep yeah, see, they don't. This is private property. We're gonna call the police, so yeah public road, even right, which is not private property no, completely they even put a stanchion in the middle of the road and said private property.
Speaker 2:When it was not private property, exactly they would do what they do wild stuff out there they do yeah so, okay, I think we should do some questions and then we should do the giveaway so, yeah, lots more viewer emails to go through, so maybe we'll do another episode of this KB. Hi Claire, mark and everybody. Oh, we already did this one honey.
Speaker 1:Oh yep. I did, we did all these.
Speaker 2:Yep oh no.
Speaker 1:Hello from the London suburbs, Awesome hey we've got friends in Cobham and well and well and all over the place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how about that Family? Yeah, mary Kay London, hi from Albuquerque. Hello.
Speaker 1:Do we do these? Did we do the people? No one's in, no one's in starring anything. Folks, I'm just going to show them again. We showed them already.
Speaker 2:Sorry From Texas, y'all Lupita, Hello Lupita. I was trying to get oh my gosh, the star people are going out of control. It's 56 questions. It's okay, don't take it easy, holy moly. Nasty Nathaniel. That was a fascinating story. Thank you for sharing that. I don't know if you know this, but the last time I went to Int Base, Sublet Road had been torn up and the house demolished. Yeah, that totally makes sense. If they can't get the road closed, they'll just destroy it. You know, what that's a way to do it.
Speaker 1:What I was told they did was they essentially bought every single property on Sublet Road. That was the first step, and some of these properties they bought for over a million dollars.
Speaker 2:They weren't worth a million dollars but because everybody along Sublet Road knew that no matter what they're gonna buy your house, it doesn't matter and they had already done that for all the the houses that were up on the hillside, because those ones looked into and they were over and looked down into where david miscavige built his religious technology center, mansion yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:So so they basically bought every single house that was anywhere near the property and then they demolished them all and then, because they were all demolished, there was no reason to have a street there, so then they closed the road and then that's the end of it. Now, the whole part, the whole problem, was that there were houses there that people needed to get in and out of and there needed to be a road. So they were like, let's just buy all of those houses and then destroy them, and then there'll be no need for there to be a road there. Yep, um, so yeah, there's, that's some. That's. Hey, if you're listening to this or you're watching this and you're a Scientologist, that's where the money's going To nonsense. Yep, okay, oh, we'll definitely do the gold coins. That will be the setup for the list that we got in the episode the gold coins Perfect.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, there's gold. We got it.
Speaker 1:We'll add it to our notes there's treasure, there's theft, there's adventure. Har. There's treasure, there's theft, there's adventure. Harrowing tales of escape.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, sherry. Question Mark Do you know what became of the girl who was standing in the sink doing dishes with you? I can still picture that image from your book.
Speaker 1:Yes, that girl's name is Heather Ashworth and I think she did a hate video on me.
Speaker 2:What yeah, oh?
Speaker 1:my goodness she became. She was. She worked in Los Angeles. Her name was Heather Ashworth. She worked at the base.
Speaker 2:And she, she, she got married to. She became Heather Willoughby. No, I don't remember who she got married to.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't remember who she got married to, but either way, um, she became like an executive assistant in the in the exec in the executive division which I was in for a long time, and then I think she ended up in manufacturing. When Lisa got busted off post, I think she just went to manufacture. She might've even gone to manufacturing before that, but she, as far as I know, she still is at the international headquarters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean she was born into the C organization, but her father is out, right, her brother is out.
Speaker 1:I think it's just her and the mom that are still there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't remember that's a lot of Scientologists that we knew when we were kids and when we worked. A lot of either the parents or the kids have left and the kids are no longer in Scientology anymore, but they just can't talk to their. A lot of my good friends have not ever been able to speak to their parents again because they left and that's it they work at and their parents still work and live at the international headquarters. My one of my best friends in the world, his mom, is the commanding officer of CMO ship and she has been for decades. So, um, yeah, crazy stuff, okay, yep all right, cool cat.
Speaker 2:Does david miscavige have a secret escape plan when the poop finally hits the fan? I'm sure he does at this point. I mean he has 100. Yeah, he has like like secretive compounds in multiple locations all over the world. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 2:Tim Greenglass I heard in Sea Org if you don't mind the laundry, your clothes get pinched Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is what. Well, we did tell a story on here of the girl who stole a rank like a. Cpo patch on somebody's jacket, which in hindsight that is pretty stupid because they know. They know it's probably a CPO that stole it, because there's no mid shipment stealing CPO badges. It's sort of like hey you just narrowed it down to 80 people. Sweetness, true, true, that is true. Oh my goodness, it was sort of like, hey you just narrowed it down to 80 people.
Speaker 2:Sweetness, true, true, that is true.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Marco question Did the security on Int Base carry firearms, handguns and or long guns?
Speaker 1:I know the security the main booth did have shotguns and rifles and handguns. They did have, uh, shotguns and rifles and handguns. They did have that and I want to say for a long time, mo, at least danny and kevin and kenny and uva, those they all had carry permits and concealed carry permits and they had to have a guard badge or they had to get something, a guard card card. They had to get a guard card. So, yeah, I wouldn't get up to nonsense if there's a chance that you could be in the wrong and they could have some kind of stand-by-ground nonsense where they can.
Speaker 1:Just Swiss cheese you, but no staff were allowed to have weapons security confiscatedated all of the ones that any of the staff had at a certain point there is a story about jesse prince who had a gun and they came to get it from him and he was like oh, I'm gonna shoot you if you take this. Oh, this is a good one.
Speaker 2:Free thinker okay, question why would they inspect your home? More of the question is why wouldn't they? Every Sunday, we had what was called CSP, which was Clean.
Speaker 1:Ship Program.
Speaker 2:Yeah, clean Ship Program. Not that we were on a ship, so why, might you ask, would that be relevant? But either way, we were allegedly given in the schedule two hours to do our laundry and clean our rooms and then after that, just as in severance, they would do white glove inspections, where the ethics officer would come with a white glove and inspect your room.
Speaker 1:I don't know why I never thought that that was for other than for nefarious purposes, like they basically just had free reign to go through all your shit once a week when you weren't there.
Speaker 2:Right, completely.
Speaker 1:Duh, that's exactly what that's.
Speaker 2:That's why that's why when you escaped and I packed a bag that first night, I had to hide it under the bed so that nobody would. Nobody would see it when they came to inspect.
Speaker 1:They're like Claire's got a go bag. David Muscovige is like don't we all? What are you talking about, go bag? That's what that's called. It's called a go bag. Yeah right, you got to get going.
Speaker 2:Yes, una, this might be a strange question, but was there offshore training, or whatever it might be called, in Australia in the early 2000s? Hmm, not that I'm aware of. I hadn't heard of that.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I mean in the early 2000s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I never heard of the free wins going to Australia when we were there.
Speaker 1:Maybe it did Maybe some free wins buffs. To be fair, we weren't really keeping track of the free wins when we were at the MAs and, as we've discussed, information is so rigidly siloed between different organizations salty beach girls said oh, I missed it.
Speaker 2:You missed it.
Speaker 1:Said a moment from our yeah, I just never thought that's a great because you would find they'd find stuff and you'd be like what, when are they finding this stuff? And be like, oh duh, when they're going through your shit from inspections they're going through, they're finding stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't it's it is mind numbing, though how, how lack, how improper it was compared to real world, and you know, it's just like, yeah, I was getting white glove inspections since I was six years old. I never thought to question it like okay, catherine olson at sp, hey, catherine at sp spanglish, there's a shotgun in the security office in the hgb yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, same thing. I like this one, uh at hands.
Speaker 2:Christian schwartz, you see all this cryptic stuff in chat. It is weird af, just imo yeah, witness.
Speaker 1:I think there's a lot of people in there that are using the lingo.
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1:It is what it is. It's not that big of a deal. Yeah, okay, apostate Alex, are you sure about that thing going to the US? Do you know if the EU has issued a travel warning? He said he was going to come to the US and some of you know the EU has issued a travel warning.
Speaker 2:Oh, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think we should do the giveaway now.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's do it. So, let's do. Let's just remind everybody and give them a few minutes to make their entries.
Speaker 1:There, it is right there, add secrets and if you enter that secrets in the chat, you will be entered to give the giveaway, and now we're going to put this up on the screen here. That's the. That's another one we don't want that it is there we go secrets. Okay, how many? Uh, we've got 55 people that are have already entered.
Speaker 2:So, um, I'll give it a few seconds yeah, let's do one more comment while while people get in there okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:People are jamming those secrets in there right, there you go.
Speaker 2:I know exactly that's, that's. Uh, you know you're going to pull up another comment.
Speaker 1:Oh, sorry, I was going through them here we go. Here we go.
Speaker 2:Lindsay Campbell question. The UK government is cracking down on migrant workers without the proper working status. Would international Sea Org members have a UK workers status? Uh, we've heard of so much nonsense on this, particularly through the work the Aftermath Foundation does of people. Just I mean many, many cases. So we have been working on developing resources to help those who need it who've been put into really bad situations. Totally, they get people, yeah.
Speaker 1:They get people to. They have a good system. They have a. They know they have so many different organizations in so many different countries. They know which countries they can get somebody from and to what other country they need to get them to, so then they can get them to the country where they want them. So they basically move people around like little pawns and when, if the person turns on them and says, oh, I don't want to work for you, then they're basically on their own and they're in most cases they're screwed because they don't have any form of income or any way to make money, because they're not supposed to be working.
Speaker 1:They're on like a K-1 visa or some kind of religious visa, or they're not really, but they're kind of.
Speaker 1:You know they're right on the edge of being illegal. There's all these ways they do it and I think it's also by design so that if you are reliant upon them to keep your status legit, or at least a good place to hide where your status is not legit, and if you just get out in the outside world, you're going to go right back to wherever you came from, which in some cases may or not be that great compared to the Sea Org. That's another reason why the Sea Org members that they have. They have a lot of foreign nationals in the Sea Org that may be from a place where three hots and a cot is a better existence than wherever they're from. So if they have to clean hotel rooms for $45 a week, okay, I got clothes, I got a place to sleep, I get food and they give me a little bit of money for coffee and cigarettes. So unfortunately that is the case, and so some people. It's not that bad compared to other things.
Speaker 2:Anyway, until it is that bad, and then they make a break for it.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to do this.
Speaker 2:Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1:Draw Ooh wow, Look at that 80 people. We double.
Speaker 2:There you go, see, I told you, if I win again, I'm getting something.
Speaker 1:Did you enter? If I win again, I'm getting something this time Did you enter. No, it's just taking any comment. Oh, Robert was down in there. Jc Comanche.
Speaker 2:Nice Congratulations, JC Comanche.
Speaker 1:I've done a lot of work on a lot of mountains that have tribal affiliations, so I can feel it Comanche over here.
Speaker 2:So please send me an email claireatblownforgoodcom with a link to what you'd like, and we will get it taken care of.
Speaker 1:Awesome we did it folks, we did it.
Speaker 2:Yes, we did.
Speaker 1:When we first I just have to say this for myself when we first started doing these videos, I would do a majority of the talking. I'd say like 95% to 5%. I'm trying to get it to be like a 50-50 situation here. So just give me. We went from 95-5 to maybe 60-40.
Speaker 2:Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1:Going towards 50-50. Eventually it's going to be 95 on her side. I'm just going to sit here and run.
Speaker 2:That's never going to happen.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to be like here, I'll do Okay, and then Claire's going to have to do all the talking. Cause, if you cut to me he'll be sleeping, I'll be.
Speaker 2:I'll have a prod rod.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we'll do. We're going to do that. Scientology secrets that's going to be the new series, just Scientology secrets. That's going to be the new series, just Scientology secrets. And we're going to have everything that we're going to tell you in one of these videos. We will consider something that Scientology doesn't want you to know, and they're trying to keep it a secret.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and which, on that note, and circling back to the theme for today, we greatly appreciate all of our viewers and your input. So if there are Scientology secrets you would like us to talk about, you can either email us or comment on this video, whatever you'd like, and we will pull together whatever we need to to be able to talk about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and another thing I do, which I'm starting, is when we do that end at the end. I just go in here cause I got nothing to do until the video ends and I just star random comments. So if the, if you do comment and I didn't mention it there's a chance in that little end dad section, when we run the, you know, go to the merch store and I'm all clean shaven. It's like a little bit of a jarring thing now.
Speaker 2:I know it goes right from. I have to redo that to goes from beard for good to uh, no, beard for good yeah, we'll have to do like um a silhouette, updated merch or something with your beard and you know beard for good.
Speaker 1:I like beard for good. We should do beard for good, merch yeah, I do too, lol.
Speaker 2:Mark could never stay quiet 90% of the time unless he's asleep. Exactly, exactly. Great job, clara and Catherine. Yes, thank you to our amazing mods. We love you guys. Glenda Stevenson See you all next week? Yes, absolutely.
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