Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Where Your Scientology Dollars Really Go: Inside David Miscavige's Empire - Scientology Secrets #2
We explore the financial secrets of Scientology, revealing how David Miscavige lives in luxury while Sea Org members survive on $46 weekly, and examining the organization's complex money flow system designed to enrich leadership while keeping members financially trapped.
• The secret word "Xenu" proves we aren't affiliated with Scientology since true Scientologists cannot mention this term
• Religious Technology Center (RTC) and David Miscavige control everything in Scientology
• All money given to Scientology follows exact percentages up the chain, with most reaching the top leadership
• Sea Org members make approximately $46/week after taxes while working 100+ hour weeks
• David Miscavige reportedly earns $300,000+ yearly while paying virtually no personal expenses
• Only a small percentage of funds remain at local organizations for basic operations
• The Flag Land Base in Clearwater generates more income than all other Scientology organizations combined
• Financial deprivation serves as a control mechanism making it nearly impossible for members to leave
• Former members report conditions always worsen over time despite promises of improvement
• Scientology uses voting blocks and community participation as public relations tools
If you need help leaving Scientology or know someone who does, contact The Aftermath Foundation. Visit aftermathfoundation.org for resources or to support those escaping Scientology.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Scientology Secrets. I'm joined today by my lovely wife, Claire. Hey, hey.
Speaker 1:And we are going to keep going with our Scientology Secrets series, since it's such a big hit. If you're just joining in, let us know in the comments down below where you're coming from. And today's secret giveaway word is Xenu. Okay, we've done that one in the past, but I wanted to do Xenu because I saw a comment it was actually on our podcast where somebody said that they were afraid that our channel was like some sort of mining operation for ex-Scientologists that might be thinking of getting out. And I just wanted to let everybody know. If you say the word Xenu or body, Thetan or anything else, you cannot be a legitimate Scientology organization or group or channel or operation. Xenu is a highly confidential term. That's the big bad alien guy. We covered that on Secrets episode one. But Xenu is a bad alien guy, big bad alien, and you can't talk about him in Scientology. It is strictly forbidden, Right, Claire?
Speaker 3:Yep Suppressive act For sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the secret word Xenu. So we're good, we're legit because we can say xenu, um, you will not. I don't think under any circumstance can a scientology talk about xenu, right no under any like, not even no, not even between two ots.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's not allowed to talk about no xenu's discussion period.
Speaker 1:Nope, if you don't read about Xenu on the page where L Ron Hubbard wrote about Xenu, then that's the only place you can really even see the word Xenu in Scientology is in an OT materials.
Speaker 3:Yes, or a lecture, or a Hubbard lecture where he talks about Xenu Right and true to Scientology form. Before you're even ever allowed to read about Xenu, you sign multiple documents saying you will never say anything, and I think mentioning the name Xenu carries, I don't know, $50,000 penalty or something.
Speaker 1:It's enough that they don't say the word yeah. How much ever it is.
Speaker 3:After however many thousands of dollars or tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, you already spent to read the word, You're not going to. By that point, the ship sailed. You're going to keep your mouth shut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So while we're getting ready, I'll just put up some of the folks. We've got a whole bunch of people in here already that have let us know where they've, where they're watching from.
Speaker 3:Yep, pacono Pluck. Hello from Pennsylvania. Thank you for joining us. Lupita from Texas. Greetings from the UK Yay, melanie Johnson. Hi from West Virginia Hello. And Anita, hello from the Netherlands. There we go. Hello from the Clearwater Florida SP, danny, awesome. Greetings from Myrtle Beach, south Carolina, betsy Sue, just call me Betsy. Mary Kay, hi from New Mexico. Hello from Minnesota, sherry, hello. And another one from the Netherlands, awesome. Good evening from sunny redding, uk hello. Hey from Texas. To all you, lovely SPs, hi KB, thanks for joining us. Hi from Indiana, lovely SPs. Hi KB. Thanks for joining us. Hi from Indiana. Bear's mom, jamie, hello from Southern Utah, there you go. We got a good mix here. Greetings from Montana Necessary trouble. One of my all-time favorite YouTube names Trevenon. Good evening from the Netherlands. Nice, awesome, this is a good one. I just thought I'd put it up. Trevon on Wait. Scientology has secrets, right? Who knew it's? Casey.
Speaker 3:There we go. Can't have a live without talking about Casey.
Speaker 1:I do want to say that the last time you read a comment from Cassie, you said Casey not me.
Speaker 3:Well, I know you said Casey, see, that's you rubbing off on me. You said Casey, not me. Well, I know that, casey, that's you rubbing off on me. Unfortunately, I'm just kidding. Oh, hello from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Lily Catherine Olson in the house. Hello from the Willamette Valley. Oh my gosh, it's just never ending.
Speaker 1:We had a somebody. I've got to say this too. This is the funniest. We should have clipped it. There was a person who wrote in and they said they just wrote. I don't remember what the comment was, but their name was Hamit Agian. That's what Claire said, hamit Agian. And I said it says ham it up again.
Speaker 3:And anyway it was in my defense, I was not wearing my glasses. I've made very clear that I'm on the struggle bus with my glasses. So there you have it. So sorry, but yeah amy scobey called me and she was like oh my gosh, it was like Saskatchewan all over again, because we all remember that drama.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's another few last ones here.
Speaker 3:Harvey, hello from Birmingham, england, home of the worst Scientology org in the world. There you go. Yeah, manchester org is where my parents were when I was born, which is not far from there. Madison, from DC, any secrets about DC org would be great. Love you guys, keep up the fight. We are behind you. Amazing. Thank you, madison. Appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't realize that if we get into individual organization secrets we would be here forever. We're mainly just going to cover the overall Scientology secrets.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we don't need to be here forever, just until the day Scientology stops abusing and hurting people, then we'll be done, then we, we shall retire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh wait, mark New Delphi is now in Lakeview Terrace. Okay, I think that's the same one that's been there for a while, the one that used to be in La Cunada, in Flint Ridge La Cunada, flint Ridge but now I think the Lakeview Terrace one's been there for a while. Thank you for that, trisha. Okay, so we everybody knows what the secret word is. Put that in the comments, zinu, you'll be entered in to win. We're going to do a giveaway at the end of the episode. So some of the secrets that we've already covered are that RTC, religious Technology Center. They run everything, and when I say they, that's David Miscavige. David Miscavige runs all of Scientology in toto. He does.
Speaker 3:There's nothing in Scientology that he is not in control of yes, and in fact last week we were talking about how the matters of RTC religious technology center concern have been removed from their website. And what we didn't talk about in that conversation is the fact that in every organization on earth there's literally a report box with those matters of RTC concern posted so that anyone can send a report directly to David Miscavige, which further documents that David Miscavige controls everything.
Speaker 1:And don't they give a bounty? If you give something that results in some kind of action or prosecution, or a $10,000? It's a $10,000 reward. It says it right on the matters of RTC, yeah.
Speaker 3:We'll have to pull that up. I don't remember the amount, but I think also for reporting squirrels, people altering Scientology technology. There was a whole campaign about that in the 80s that had a bounty with it. I believe We'll have to ask some people to do some deep diving on the interweb to find that.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Rtc runs everything. The big secret in Scientology is the space aliens. I will say that that is the one thing they don't want anybody to know, and that's why they have all the operating thetan levels that you do in Scientology, whether you're studying lectures or written words by L Ron Hubbard or you're doing the auditing where you locate and eradicate the body thetans that are infested All Scientologists have all these body thetans. Well, according to Scientology, we all do. And so those are the two big secrets Xenu and the body thetans, which I still think is an amazing band name. If some band out there takes that, I wouldn't be sad at all.
Speaker 3:Xenu and the body thetans is a good name, yeah, and I still think, by the way, that one of the all-time best videos was Jason Begay talking about the levels and all that. It's now a classic talk exposing Scientology's tactics of how they lure people in and keep them in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's two Jason videos that Mark Bunker did Um and I'm going to put a link in the description to those um that are really good. One is just Jason Begay talking for like an hour. I want to say maybe more, maybe less. And then there's another one that's just a little clip from one of those interviews, which is really hilarious, which I'll put a link to Um and um and um. Yeah, what else is there? We covered that. Oh, the thing that we wanted to um cover today was scientology. Where the money goes in scientology is that you I hear it claire's laptop's about to take off and go to Tampa.
Speaker 1:Hopefully it doesn't go to Tampa Anyway just getting on approach, just getting it lined up on the runway Cleared for takeoff. It's done now. It just wanted to just do that for a second.
Speaker 1:That was fun. Anyway, the thing we wanted to cover today was where the money goes in Scientology, because when you give your money to Scientology in any place in the world, it has an exact like. There's exact percentages at every step of the way that are taken out so that none of the money is left anywhere. There's no leftover money. Every cent is accounted for and I would say if there was $100 that came in the organization that you're giving that to, they maybe get about $50 of that, maybe, depending on what's going on, and then most of it goes all the way up to RTC, church of Scientology International, and author services, because they're taking a royalty fee on L Ron Hubbard's works and basically it goes to all these different places. So there's no real way for in a Scientology organization there's not really any way for somebody to steal that money or get that money, because there's just not really that much money laying around. Right, they're depositing. I want to even say that maybe now they don't even have a lot of cash. It's mainly credit cards or checks.
Speaker 1:But the other thing is that in Scientology the Sea Org members and the staff members make very, very, very little money, in some cases for a long time, the Sea Org members were only making $40, $40, $46 a week if they were being paid. But a lot of those Sea Org members weren't getting paid. Staff members, on the other hand, they were sometimes getting paid more per week, but then they have to pay for their own apartment and their own food and their own transport. They have to pay for all their expenses. So even if they're getting $200 a week, they have a whole world of expenses, yeah.
Speaker 3:And we've heard stories from staff members. So organization staff members. So they're not members of the C organization. They have either signed a two and a half year contract or a five year contract and in some cases they were making less than the pay of Sea Organization members.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but by the way, you reminded me of something circling back to Zinu and Religious Technology Center.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:As we know, they statistically track everything and so every hour of processing that people do when they're on the upper levels. A portion of that money goes to Religious Technology Center.
Speaker 1:That's a good point, because Religious Technology Center is entrusted with protecting the upper level materials, which is all of the Xenu and the body thetans.
Speaker 3:Yes, and Religious Technology Center owns them and licenses the organizations to use them.
Speaker 1:That's right. So they have this whole structure. It was. What was it called? It was called something. It was called the REORG or the.
Speaker 3:The corporate? Yeah, Corporate sort out Right.
Speaker 1:They called it the corporate sort out. So Church of Scientology, international Religious Technology Center, author Services, cst all these different entities that are actual corporations on paper Yep, all of their members are members of the C organization, but the C organization does not exist on paper. It does not exist in the real world. It's not a corporation, it's not an S Corp, it's not an LLC, it's nothing. It doesn't even exist In the real world. It's not a corporation, it's not an S-corp, it's not an LLC, it's nothing. It doesn't even exist In the real world. It doesn't exist. And the thing that I wanted to say, which was probably the big secret, is that so all this money's going everywhere and the Sea Org members, no matter what organization they're from, they get paid like a stipend of basically just money for coffee and cigarettes, which is $50. They take taxes out of that. So you get $46.26, if I recall, or $0.28, one of those, depending on what the SDI and the FICA were that year. Those are just dumb tax code things. Anyway, david Miscavige, he doesn't get paid that amount.
Speaker 1:No, he doesn't what is the amount of being in RTC and being aware of some of the finances, and this is available on the internet. You can find this. There's tax forms or religious technology filings that had to be put into the government before and during their transition to getting tax exemption, and I remember what the number was. I just want to see if you remember what his yearly salary amount. What do you remember it being?
Speaker 3:As I recall, 300,000.
Speaker 1:300,000. So the SEERG members that are working 120 hours a week every week, 365 days, 52 weeks, all that good stuff, they're getting 46 bucks a week. Now I'm not a math wizard, but I think 300,000 a year makes his weekly amount a little bit more than them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it might be more than all SEERG members combined, internationally actually.
Speaker 1:I think I can remember on my social security statement of one of the years where we got paid regularly and I think I tapped out at about 2K in a year like where we got paid every week. We got the 46 bucks and we might've got a Christmas bonus of a hundred bucks or something like that. Right, I think I got about 2k that year.
Speaker 3:Right. So 46 times 52 is 2392.
Speaker 1:So if you get paid every week, you're making 2300 bucks. And if you're David Miscavige, what is that 25k? What is he making?
Speaker 3:300, 300k oh per week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's the week?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was working on a different calculation. He's getting the pay of 125 Sea Org members per year. He is yes.
Speaker 1:Yes. How do you figure that out? Oh, because you divided 300K by 2,300. Right, exactly.
Speaker 3:What's 300K?
Speaker 1:by 52?.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, divided 300k by 2300.
Speaker 1:What's 300k by 52? Yeah, yep, yep. What is it? Basically? 6k rounded up 5800. Okay, so he's making.
Speaker 3:Wow, he doesn't actually make that I know that's the thing I mean. You know, compared to relative, relative real world salaries. It's just the concept of it and in you know what, what we experienced and were paid for 15 years. Most of that time we didn't have any idea what he was making. And actually the other thing too that was the interesting piece of it is that it was carefully structured and rigged so that David Miscavige was the number one pay amount.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And even though during the 15 years we were there, his next in command was Shelley Miscavige. On the org structure.
Speaker 1:And I want to say that one year Shelley and Larisse also got a large amount of money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, they did.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't anywhere near the amount that he was getting.
Speaker 3:Right, but it was carefully structured so that David was number one, larisse was number two and Shelley was number three, because the lawyers advised that having a Mr and Mrs as number one and number two didn't look good. It wasn't good scenery, as they say.
Speaker 1:Wow Optics, not good optics, yeah. So think about that for a second, though. The Sea Org members are getting 46 bucks, and they have to pay for all their stuff too. They got to pay for their food and their coffee, and this and that and the other thing. Room and board is covered. They're getting food, and they're getting three hots and a cot, but they're not getting anything more than that.
Speaker 1:I mean even to the point where, at the international headquarters, whenever the services staff the facilities, sea Org members would refill the bathrooms with toilet paper. They would literally fill the cupboards under the sink with toilet paper and they would fill all the stalls with new toilet paper, under the sink with toilet paper, and they would fill all the stalls with new toilet paper, and within a day or two it would all be gone, because the seer members would go in there, they'd use the facilities and then they just take the role with them, so that they had a role at home, because no one's got time or money to be going out and you know, squeezing the Charmin at the grocery store, that would be the last possible place you'd be able to go to get Anyway. But now here's the key thing, and somebody did comment on this and I wanted to bring this up as well. Ryan M said he might be paid 300 K, but wasn't all of his expenses covered?
Speaker 3:Yes, 100%.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then?
Speaker 3:some.
Speaker 1:So not only is all his gourmet seafood being flown in from the coast, or driven in. In the case when we were in the Hemet, he was getting sushi driven in every day from Santa Monica Seafood. Shout out to Santa Monica Seafood.
Speaker 3:I think the only thing that David and Shelly paid for personally was dog food for their six beagles.
Speaker 1:Really, mm-hmm, that was coming out of their. They paid it personally was dog food for their six beagles. Really, that was coming out of their their they paid it personally, yep. Dog food.
Speaker 3:I think that's about it.
Speaker 1:We had a dog, they weren't covering our dog food. At least he had to pay for his dog food.
Speaker 3:We illegally had a dog. We broke the rules and got a dog.
Speaker 1:Now if he and, by the way, not only were his expenses covered, but David Miscavige had an endless wishlist of all the things that he wanted in life? When you're in Scientology and specifically in the Sea Org, you are encouraged and taught that you shouldn't need any physical objects to enrich yourself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in fact, if you had any desire to have nice objects or like there's a Hubbard writing that says those shiny cars are driven by degraded men. You know, it was like middle-class PTS, which backing up for a minute just means that you are lured by wanting to live a normal life like everyone else in the real world, have a nice house, have nice clothes, didn't?
Speaker 1:they call it, it was called.
Speaker 3:It was called middle-class PTS.
Speaker 1:PTS to the middle class. Pts to the PTS to the middle class, which means a potential trouble. Pts to the middle class. Pts to the middle class, which means a potential trouble source to the middle class, like the middle class is sucking you in to wanting things. Okay. So that being the bedrock of a SeaWorld member, david Miscavige had this wish list of cars and motorcycles and bikes and cameras and scuba gear and underwater photography equipment, and every year the Scientology organizations, all of them, pick something on the list. Now there's 200 plus different organizations all over the United States, all over the world, and all the ones that I talked about Church of Scientology International, cst, asi, esi Executive Strata.
Speaker 1:And then you have all the continents CMO Anzo, CMO PAC, which is Los Angeles, CMO East US, CMO LATAM. They would all get into something.
Speaker 1:And so yeah, so he would literally at his birthday and Christmas time there would be just shipments, like, if you look, we'll show this sometime too. If you look at the international headquarters property, they have these fly through videos or drone shots of the property. If you go to the RTC building, it's called Building 50 in any of the videos, and I think I've done some of these videos as well where we just talk about them. I think we should probably do a new one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we talked about that last week. We should definitely do that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, there are garages next to this Building, 50 building, and in this string of garages is where they store all the goodie, all the booty that people send him like the vehicle, all his personal vehicles and motorcycles and harleys, and all that stuff is in the garages and then his underwater gear and his camera gear and his endless, exactly, and in contrast, you know whatever it's for.
Speaker 3:I'm sure there's lots of people who have that in the real world, but it's the contrast to the lives of members of the sea organization, where this just is a stark difference, difference and to me I just don't, I still don't understand why there's not an um cause for inerman investigation there.
Speaker 1:You know of out exceedingly, you know huge personal benefit well, I think the way they get around that is because they're gifts.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So he's not. He's getting a salary because he's the head. He's the chairman of the board of directors for the Religious Technology Center, which is a joke, because there's no board, it's just him.
Speaker 3:Board of one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then so he's getting a salary from that job which on paper and in the real world is legit, and also 300,000, it's not really that much in the overall scheme of things, and very likely he does get paid a lot more than that. Now, this was in the nineties with this 300,000 figure. So he probably, um, he's probably getting millions of dollars at this point. But he doesn't have any expenses except for that dog food. She's probably not putting them out too much.
Speaker 1:They're probably buying the good stuff, though I would guess that they're buying the good stuff they're not giving him. They're not giving him some of that cheaper dog food with all that aluminum in it. Anyway, he's not getting Sundays or you know, like fresh food you put in the fridge, but regardless, he's not paying for anything except for dog food. He's getting all these free gifts. So he doesn't really he doesn't need to buy anything Like, he doesn't need to buy toys, all that he has all the toys in the world he can buy, and then, in addition to that, his facilities where he lives, those are all bought and paid for by.
Speaker 1:Religious Technology Center. Yep. So all his residences and all his audiovisual systems and all that stuff, those are pretty tricked out. I know I've been to many of those places setting them up so I knew about those. Yep.
Speaker 1:Um, anyway, the big secret in Scientology is the money that you give to Scientology. The only one person who benefits from it in Scientology is David Miscavige. There's no other Sea Org members that are even next in line getting a ton of money, or in waiting people in waiting on the sidelines, did you? Yeah, okay, does that mean I have to read the comments? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's all good, anyway, yeah, yeah, so that is. And the money, I mean the organizations don't have enough. If you go to Buffalo organization Scientology organization in Buffalo or Los Angeles or Florida, they barely have enough money to feed the crew, keep the place, the lights on and the toilet paper rolls filled and the place clean. And they barely have enough money to pay for the dry cleaning of these fancy, you know, maitre d' or valet suits that the Sea Org members wear and the Scientologists that work in the organizations. They wear these to them, fancy outfits that David Miscavige has sort of implemented over the past decade or two. They don't even have money to dry clean those. So the money is going up and up and up.
Speaker 1:And also, that's another key thing, all of Scientology management, all of the people that are writing these telexes and receiving telexes back and forth to all these different organizations. That's all funded by those percentages that come up from all the different organizations all over the world. And Flag, which is the Flag land base, which is the big property in Clearwater, florida, where they have all the it's like. Basically they have probably like 25 different buildings that make up all these different Sea Org, the Sea Org base in Florida. That organization by itself makes more money than all of the rest of Scientology combined. Yep.
Speaker 1:That's a key thing everybody should know. So if you added up every single other organization, whether it's a Sea Org or whether it's a Scientology organization that just has staff members or it's a mission, all of the income from all of those organizations is not more than what just comes from flag every week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. And, by the way, in retrospect, on the topic of staff pay 100%. To me the low amount of pay was integral to how long we stayed. Felt like we were trapped there and couldn't get out, because if you have no money, I mean we. I, when I escaped, I had money to make it to the Riverside County um bus station. That was it like. Not even out of the state, you know you.
Speaker 1:That's right, I had to get you a ticket.
Speaker 3:Right, you got me a ticket, which is the only reason, you know, I succeeded, you know, or a huge part of why I succeeded in getting away. It's just, if you have no resources, nowhere to go. On top of that, you know you're going to be pursued. And, of course, we've learned many, many more examples of this in the years since we've left and in the work we do through the aftermath foundation. I mean, the stories are just absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we, we always thought that it would. It couldn't get worse when we were there and we were there for over a decade at the international headquarters but every year you'd be like there's no way it could get worse, like there's just no way that next year could be worse than this year. And then, of course, next year you'd be like, well, at least it can't get worse. And that just kept going. And so we just thought you know this, I don't think it's ever. It's always going to get worse. At a certain point we were like it is going to get worse. It never doesn't We've. At a certain point, we were like it is going to get worse.
Speaker 3:It never doesn't. We've never talked to someone who escaped and was like hey, guess what? You know what? In 2015,. You'll never believe it. Things got better, Never happened.
Speaker 1:Anybody who talks to somebody else who got out after them, the person who more recently got out is always like oh man, you got out just in time. I mean, you're just like what. And when we talk to people that got out 10 years before us, we're like oh dude, you got out just in time. You know, just like anybody who got out earlier got out just in time.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:No matter what. And yeah, it never, never got better. And we do hear from people that we're helping and they tell us some of the stuff are going on and we're just like I can't believe. Not only are they still doing it, but they're doing it to a degree that is just mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And all the mechanisms to go into covering up that they're still doing the thing that they're not supposed to be doing. You're just like why don't they just pay these? Like you would just think and this is a good point If they really did have millions and millions of members, who would care if three people left? Completely.
Speaker 1:Or there was some silly people on YouTube talking about them, or they wouldn't need to put up hate websites on us. And they wouldn't need to put up, wouldn't need to send private investigators after us. If they had millions and millions of people, I mean as an organization that large, you're going to have fall off, you're going to have defectors, you're going to have people that don't like it and they're just going to go. And that's just part of doing business.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's the only thing David Miscavige got right. Actually, he used to say all the time that they are their own worst enemy. Scientology is their own worst enemy. That he got right. He is his own worst enemy, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, regardless of all that, when you do have I think it was Lori Webster, do you remember Lori Webster? Yeah, I do she put out some kind of newsletter or something like that. They're trying to raise some money or get somebody, everybody, to support something, and she said that they had gotten 11,000 people to support their thing.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, Tony Ortega covered this recently.
Speaker 1:We should put a link to that.
Speaker 3:We'll put a link down in the description.
Speaker 1:But she basically said when they got everybody to sign up.
Speaker 3:She flipped and gave an actual number.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when they got everybody to sign up for their thing.
Speaker 1:Even though they have millions and millions of members, they only got 11,000 people to sign up for this thing, which means that's probably the actual amount of people that are in the loop and doing Scientology. Yeah, Because they do. They have a lot of reach out, Like when they're when they need somebody to do something in Scientology. They have a way of getting ahold of these people to do it, Like they either call them or they email them or they text a way to get the hold of these people to do it, Like they either call them or they email them, or they text them or they get them to come into the organization. So and they really do go to town on getting people to do stuff, If they if David Miscavige says contact every single Scientologist and get them to come in and watch this video, they have to send compliance that they did that, yeah, and actually that's one of the most common requests, or a very common request that we get into the Aftermath Foundation is how do I get off their mailing list?
Speaker 3:How do I get them to stop contacting me? So we've developed a whole list of do this, do this, do this, do this, do this and try all of these things. I think my favorite is the people that send back the foundation cards to the staff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we you can get. If you go to the aftermath foundationorg, we can send you little business cards. So just have our contact info and it says hey, if you need help or whatever. And I think what, how do they go out? Like a hundred or 50 in a in a package or whatever?
Speaker 3:whatever they want. It's like stacks of four different designs of the cards that go out.
Speaker 1:So sometimes people that are getting junk mail from Scientology by the way, junk Scientology is they. I would say they're number one in junk mail. Oh yeah for sure. They produce and chop down more trees than anybody to send out to everybody they can every single week. And it is a statistic in Scientology in every single organization If they sent out 50,000 pieces last week, they got to send out 51,000 pieces this week. It never ends.
Speaker 1:So, they're always, and I used to do this when I was there for the time that I was in Los Angeles for about six months. That was my job. I was the I was in in ABLE International, the Association for Better Living and Education, and I was in charge of the what's called BMO bulk mail out and I had to go down to the printing press and I had to go to the post office and make sure it got printed in time. And then it got and every Thursday before two o'clock I had to chase this down and go over to Myers and Sons, which is the fulfillment house which was owned by Scientologist and they were making so much money off of Scientology. They were handling all of these, all this bulk mail for all of the Los Angeles organizations and yeah, it's a lot, it's a major, major operation. So people were getting those junk mail mailers and then they have a return. I don't remember what it's called anymore. It's called a BRE, a bulk return envelope. I think that's what it's called.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's right, and it's paid for.
Speaker 1:It's prepaid for by Scientology. So if you want to send them a check, you put it in your little envelope and send it back. Well, people have been putting aftermath cards in those little envelopes and sending them back, and so that's fun and that will get you off the list.
Speaker 3:Yeah, We've received enough responses from staff to those all over the map, but it definitely gets through surprisingly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what else can we talk about on the finances? So we got David Miscavige gets all the money. Oh so another way that and this is kind of it was set up originally in the corporate sort out back in the eighties. It was originally set up this way so that L Ron Hubbard could get money and it wouldn't be there, wouldn't, it wouldn't be traced and it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be traced and it wouldn't be, it wouldn't lead back to him. And when L Ron Hubbard sort of went off of of the management lines of Scientology and he went off into hiding because the governments of the world were all trying to hunt him down and Scientology had just been convicted of the largest infiltration in the United States government and its history.
Speaker 1:You can Google Operation Snow White. But when he was hiding, they had to reorganize the corporate structure of Scientology so that he basically, if he did get caught, he wouldn't be convicted because they would have rearranged everything. So it's like no, no, no, you guys don't know what you're talking about. We don't. This is how we have it all set up. It's all legit. Well, by the time that they had almost finished that, l Ron Hubbard died. He was chasing BTs till the very last second and he was trying to get himself shocked. If people don't believe the BTs, there's stories out there about some of the people that were there with Hubbard. He was trying to hook himself up to car batteries to shock these body things that he could just not get rid of. And so that might be what OT 9 and 10 is. You might have to like go get an e-meter from O'Reilly's, you know, get a car, get some car batteries. Go over to Advance Auto Parts, mark 10 E-meters made up of six car batteries.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:Anyway, he was trying to zap himself and he reportedly he did have a lot of cash there where he was at, but by the time he passed away it was perfectly set up for whoever took over to be able to take advantage of this new corporate structure, and that was David Miscavige. So, yes, lots of fun. I'm trying to think of anything else. The CIA did not create Scientology. You know there is a lot of people that were. Somebody wrote that in the comments CIA created. No, they didn't. L Ron Hubbard created Scientology. I won't say that there weren't CIA adjacent programs being done at the same time, because L Ron Hubbard, before he did Scientology, you guys got to realize, before he started Scientology he was messing around with Alistair Crawley and they were doing rituals and they were doing all sorts of psychedelics and trying to find the antichrist and all this stuff. They were, he there was. There was some nonsense that they'd be up to yeah, I.
Speaker 3:I highly highly recommend reading bare faceiah, always by uh russell meller.
Speaker 1:Um the history in there debunks pretty much anything you ever might have believed about elrond hubbard if you were ever in scientology for any amount of time yeah, and that includes stuff about his first wife and his second wife that he never had and then his third wife, because he even said in an interview when he was married to Mary Sue Hubbard and somebody said, what about your second wife? And he said I never had a second wife, even though he was married to Mary Sue Hubbard, which technically, if he never had a second wife, she would have been his second wife. He literally said on video I've never had a second wife, she's my third wife but I didn't have a second wife.
Speaker 1:He literally said on video I've never had a second wife.
Speaker 3:She's my third wife, but I didn't have a second wife. Anyway that's just. You know how that works. It's like saying, anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of nonsense happening in Scientology and it came from L Ron Hubbard. He was a source of it but at the time and you can read about it in Barefaced Messiah, all of the nonsense he was up to. But at the same time the CIA was experimenting with LSD and dosing soldiers and all this other stuff. And I also think when you're in the Sea Org, one of the qualifications which kind of makes it so you cannot join the Sea Org is if you have taken LSD or angel dust.
Speaker 3:Right, that's right Exactly. It's an instant disqualification. But even though that became a qualification, anyone who had already joined the Sea Organization was just grandfathered in, like my mother, for example.
Speaker 1:Your mom did LSD. Lsd yeah, whoa, and we're the bad guys.
Speaker 3:Okay, she's tripping balls on lsd, but we're the bad I mean it was before I was born, in the 70s, you know anyway, but yeah there was a ton of people at the international headquarters, a ton of seahorse members that had been there and worked directly for l.
Speaker 1:Ron Hubbard, rick Kruzan, gary Weesey, charlie Rush, all these cats and they had all done LSD. It was almost like it was surprising how many people were there that had done LSD at the international headquarters.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe there's a study on that. Like, maybe that is what causes people to get into Scientology, and then we were just the fallout because our parents got in. Yeah, that's wild Statistically.
Speaker 1:I didn't even think about that until just now, because there was a ton of people that had done LSD. Didn't Peter Schless do LSD? Yeah?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it broke something in their brain that destroyed their resistance to cults.
Speaker 1:But whatever it was about the LSD and I want to say Hubbard knew, he knew all about LSD- yeah, yeah, I don't know that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:He knew all about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:So he knew that sometimes, or at least his theory was, hubbard's theory was that the LSD got lodged in your fatty tissue and residual amounts of it would be in there.
Speaker 1:So you could be in the middle of mixing an L Ron Hubbard lecture and making the sound all awesome, and then you just start tripping balls on LSD and then you'd mess up the lecture, right. So then he developed that's how. That's exactly how the purification rundown came to be was that he was trying to make movies and record lectures. And all these people that were seer members that he just said you're an audio engineer, you're a, a film mixer, you're a cameraman they never done that before in their life.
Speaker 3:Right, that wasn't the problem. It wasn't the problem that they were being asked to do jobs that they had no idea and no training for and no experience. That wasn't the problem. The problem was that they had taken LSD and it was stuck in their fatty tissues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so L L Ron Hubbard developed the purification rundown and he used the golden era productions, lsd, uh members, the people who had taken LSD in the past. He used them as Guinea pigs to do this purification rundown anyway. Um, but yeah, the the the LSD thing. Um, if there's no new Sea Org members that are being let in that have taken LSD. No. Definitely, that is a strict qualification. You cannot have taken that and you can't take any sort of drugs if you're in the Sea Organization.
Speaker 1:Yeah, though, that being said, actually you reminded me, so you mentioned Petereter schless yeah he joined the sea organization after that rule came out, but it was waived for him because he was a very talented musician yeah, he wrote um, if anybody who doesn't know peter schless, um, he wrote the song um the Wings of Love, which is a big hit back in I want to say the 80s. On the wings of love, only the two of us. I don't remember who sang it, al Jarreau, I don't remember. I don't remember who sang the song. I'm sorry, okay, it wasn't my, I wasn't listening to that type of tunes you did a pretty good job there if anybody knows the song.
Speaker 1:You did a pretty good job there. If anybody knows the song. I did a good enough job to jog their memory.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you want to switch to you for a minute and I'll swap this out so I can help you with the comment.
Speaker 1:Okay, claire's going to swap out her laptop. We're doing a hot swap. We're doing a Jeffrey. Now people are commenting Jeffrey Osborne maybe. Oh well, that's, that's Mark Fisher. He knows for sure. Well, what happened the CIA, what happened to? What did it do?
Speaker 1:What, what did? Oh, there it is Scientology peeling the onion. Hey, mark, shout out to Mark Fisher. He says it was Jeffrey Osborne, which I do believe. That sounds right. Somebody else here saying James Ingram yeah, he says it was Jeffrey Osborne, which I do believe. That sounds right. Somebody else here is saying James Ingram yeah, I don't remember, I just remember. I do remember that LSD is used to create the venturing. Yeah, tommy Davis is a drug revert. That is true. Harvey Tommy Davis, he smoked marijuana when he was a kid and he was a Scientologist.
Speaker 1:So, he likes to deny that, but I have it on good authority that he did and it was the folks that ran it. Catherine says hey, mofo, that's Mark Fisher's nickname from David Miscavige. Mofo Yep, no, not James Ingram or Al Jarrell, it's okay, you two are youngsters. Um, yeah, that, um, whoever's doesn't that, I don't know? Um, I like it gonna cue on the wings of love. Um, yeah, peter schless was still getting royalty checks at the gold base. I don't think they were that much. I want to say they're like $35 or, you know, $15, but it was. It was considered an external influence that Peter Schless was still making money from the outside world, even though he was a Sea Org member and had been a Sea Org member for over a decade at the Golden Era Productions base where I worked, and he was still getting in trouble for getting that money. And anyway, are you, you fired up?
Speaker 3:I'm good to go Look at that.
Speaker 1:She got it. Good to go, does it? Do I still have you on camera? I do Look at that, okay, so we are going to do. We're going to get into some of these comments here, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh and, by the way, I didn't get a chance to mention this to you before we started, but we will do three giveaways. Oh my goodness. Thank you to Dr Paul and Dr X for their donation to the spshopcom in honor of Mike Rinder's 70th birthday coming up this coming week, nice. So we'll do three Mike Rinder bobblehead giveaways.
Speaker 1:Three Mike Rinder bobblehead giveaways. Okay, you heard it here, folks. We're doing three giveaways and we will do the giveaways with the giveaway tool to make it completely random and totally not fixed, even though I did win that one time. Let's go through the questions you ready.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes and sorry. One last comment, though, on Peter Schless. If you want to learn more about his story, read Karen Presley's book, which we will link to. I think it's called Escaping Scientology, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, okay, p LinkedIn question Did DM really play Nintendo 64?
Speaker 1:Yes, Do you remember the time when we went up to Big Bear? Do you remember that In early, like 93?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We went one Christmas this was in the good years when we got the day off for Christmastime, we went up to Big Bear, california. It was only, I don't know, an hour or so from the gold base, maybe a little more San Bernardino in California. Um, and we, and because I was, uh, one of the people that set up the audio visual systems in David Miscavige's offices and stuff like that, and I wasn't, um, I wasn't important enough to have to stay at the base when he was there- but, I, was qualified enough to go set up his systems where he was going to be spending Christmas time at some hotel up in a big bear.
Speaker 1:Right. And so I was tasked with going up there about two days before everybody else got up there, and I had to go up there and set up the TV and set up the these specific speakers and amplifiers and the Nintendo system and DVD play, all the stuff that you needed. I don't even think it was DVD at that time, it might've still been VHS.
Speaker 3:I think so.
Speaker 1:And so, yes, he and Mark Yeager and Larisse and Greg Wilhair and Guillaume, they would play Super Mario Kart, and David Miscavige would bitch, slap them to the hell in that Mario Kart, because he was playing all the time. They didn't know that, though. When they would get up there and then they would play, he'd be like, hey, you guys want to play. And then they'd be like, oh, it's this, oh, it's Mario Kart, okay, and he would just destroy Mario Kart. So, yes, he did.
Speaker 3:Catherine Olsen. I watched Jason's interview when I was still in the CR.
Speaker 1:He blows my mind every week.
Speaker 3:I know me too.
Speaker 1:So some people were mentioning this last week when we had the billboards up and we have the link or some of the cards have a phone number. We try every different which way to get to these Scientologists or Scientology Sea Org members. But some of these Sea Org members are pretty resourceful, as Catherine has demonstrated the ones in Los Angeles. They're out in the wild, they can go out in the wild, they can make it to a during lunch or whenever. If they can get to a Walgreens, they can get a burner phone or they could get on the internet and the wifi. It's they. The SeaWorld members that want to leave will figure out a way If there's somebody there to receive them or somebody that can assist them. It makes getting out of Scientology and the Sea Org so much easier because we already know all the things that they need to do. We can get them a flight, we can get them a plane, we can get them a bus, we can get them a car, we can get them a job.
Speaker 3:We can them a bus. We can get them a car.
Speaker 1:We can get them a job. We can emergency housing.
Speaker 3:We can send our counseling education support, whatever is necessary, for sure, yeah, yeah. And by the way, on that note I did want to say mark your calendars. On April 19th we will do an a full hour update just on the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Cool, okay, let's get some of these questions.
Speaker 3:Okay, Rebecca question how do you feel about Trammell Tillman from Severance working in Mission Impossible? He said in interviews how much he researched cults a lot to be Milchick.
Speaker 1:It is what it is. Man Right, when you're an actor in Hollywood, um, you're trying to get gigs, you're trying to do work right, big work. The bigger the movie, um, the better for you, for your career. Right. If just the main star happens to be some wackadoodle that believes in space aliens infesting his body. I mean, that's part of the jam in Hollywood. You got to play. You want to be an actor in a movie. You got to work with people that have different thoughts and points of views than you.
Speaker 3:For sure, but still you reminded me. One fact that blew my mind was that Shalise Ann Sola, from Cults to Consciousness on YouTube, highly recommend her channel. Her and her husband do amazing work. But I was talking with her and she told me, oh yeah, she had gone to. Oh well, hello. Then she had gone to Golden Era Productions as an extra and worked on set there.
Speaker 1:She did an ad or some kind. She was an actress in a Scientology thing? Yep, yeah, it's part of the game in Hollywood. You can't really, I don't know. I mean, what's her name? What's the gal who's doing the handmaid's tale?
Speaker 3:Elizabeth Moss, yeah.
Speaker 1:She's doing a show about cults and she's in a cult.
Speaker 3:Okay, Just don't switch to my camera now. You moved me out of frame, I think.
Speaker 1:Oh no, we'll be fine.
Speaker 3:All right. Nashay Jones, I just found out where the Scientology location is in my city. How do they explain all of the cash they're bringing in when people are panhandling and sleeping on the sidewalks not very far away? Yeah, I know, I would call that cognitive dissonance. Yeah, completely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't really care about any of that nonsense. You'll see, there's a video there's a facility, a Scientology facility called CCHR, the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, located on Sunset Boulevard, and there were some people that were intense outside of their building and they were hosing them down with a water hose to get them to be like to clean off the sidewalk. That is literally that's being nice to them in Scientology.
Speaker 3:Yep, absolutely, daniel Sander. Greetings from Denmark, hello Daniel.
Speaker 1:Thanks, Daniel. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3:Jake Lloyd. Thank you, Mark and Claire, for helping victims of Scientology leave and get on their feet. Yes, absolutely, it's just the right thing to do. Harvey Denton, didn't people like Marty Mark, Yeager, Guillaume get bonuses in the early days? Yes, very definitely they did.
Speaker 1:They did get bonuses in the early days. Yes, very definitely they did. They did and I we talked about this on a previous video but they actually got bonuses based on reporting up to L Ron Hubbard what how Scientology, how well Scientology was doing when that was total BS and it was not doing that well. They got bonuses based on that doing that well. They got bonuses based on that. So they were. They were ill-gotten gains. Um. Okay, somebody mentioned something about the um. I miss, it's gone. Now people are oh, here we go.
Speaker 3:Um glenda stevenson question do the people working directly under david miscavige make more than 46 dollars a week? Uh, so, at least during the time that I was in Religious Technology Center, his personal staff yes, they did receive weekly bonuses for any week that their statistics were up, but that was, I want to say at that time it was maybe nine or 10 staff. He had three stewards and several communicators whose jobs were to type up all his meetings, all his correspondence, all that. Those were the only people who were getting a different pay system than the entire rest of the C organization. Melanie Johnson question If you had to go to the doctor hospital, how would the bill be paid? Great question. That's a good question.
Speaker 3:Short answer workers comp, um. So, for example, when I broke my leg, um, and also, by the way, to go to the doctor you had to have authorization from at least five or six people to even go to the appointment. It had to be. You had to plan way far in advance. It was no emergency rush visits to the doctor or to the hospital, unless it was, like you know, an extreme case scenario.
Speaker 3:Code monkey, the flip burgers forever threat doesn't make sense to me. Burger flippers make way more money in a week than SOs Sea Org members make in a year, and they let you go home and talk to friends and family with days off. Yeah, exactly, great comment. And that's where we were so exhausted all the time and such a lack of resources that and it just wears you down until finally, even through the fog of exhaustion, malnutrition, underpaid, long hours, all of that. Even then you go. You know what long hours all of that. Even then you go.
Speaker 3:You know what Flipping burgers sounds? Absolutely amazing, let's get out of here. But yeah, mark and I have talked about this so many times I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I'll flip burgers the rest of my life. I love making burgers Morgan Freeman's favorite freckle. Okay then can you imagine a future of Scientology being an elderly Miscavige or his successor reclusively living on a compound, with last few hundred diehard Sea Org members leading to a Jonestown situation, unfortunately? I hope and pray that never happens, but from the many abuses we saw it certainly is not. There are so many similarities for sure. I mean, yeah, that's a scary thought.
Speaker 1:I don't know about the Kool-Aid, but they would definitely just be on that compound for the rest of time. I don't know that they're. I don't know if there's a reason in Scientology why they would go to the Kool-Aid option, but I don't think they would. I don't think they would do that part. I think if they were told to, there might be some of them that would do it, but I think that there would be a bunch of people just be like well, if you guys are all going to off yourselves, then I'm just going to take off. I don't need to be here.
Speaker 3:I hope so, I hope so, I hope so. I don't know. Agt Mom, the L Warren Hubbard Auditorium that they want to build in Clearwater. Won't much of the work be done by Scientology staff, many of which are miners? Wouldn't knowing that help slow down the sale of the land?
Speaker 1:I think they would just have contractors build that building. They wouldn't. Scientology now that they do have a lot of money, they have learned that it's cheaper to just have professionals build the buildings than to have the Sea Org members just mess up every single possible step of the construction and then have to hire the professionals to come in and fix it or tear it down. I mean, they've wasted hundreds of millions of dollars over the decades on doing things incorrectly, because that's not what they do for a living or it's not up to the most recent codes or whatever it is. And so they have these big architect firms and construction firms just build these things for them now.
Speaker 3:Right, even the buildings that were built most recently, when we were still there, for example, um Bonnie view Hubbard's house on the on the um.
Speaker 1:well, that was one of the ones. That was a sort of a hybrid. At the time there were Sear members working on it and messing up things and eventually they were just like no more SEERC members, we're doing this professionally. And then they did that in Florida with that new flag. That was 99% of that was done by outside contractors.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's where Scientology evolves from the multiple different lawsuits that have been filed over the years, and they change what they're doing to protect themselves more, more so. Anyway, yep, jc, comanche. Oh, they are Comanche. How do you say that, comanche?
Speaker 1:Comanche yeah, that was one of the. I was wondering if he was from one of the tribes that I'd worked with on many of the projects, and in fact he was from the Jeep Comanche tribe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, received my giveaway hoodie yesterday. Thanks, yay, you're welcome. Oh yeah, so let's do one of the giveaways now, then we can answer a few more questions.
Speaker 1:Wow, the time has come here, babe. Yep. Okay, let me get this comment off there. Thanks, JC Comanche. Okay, what are we doing here? Oh, we're going to do a giveaway let's go to the giveaway.
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Speaker 3:Claire, how is your book coming? Very good, thank you. It's been challenging, you know work, kids, busy, busy, busy. But that's okay, I'm working on it. I had a very good meeting on it on Friday and about two thirds of the way there. So coming along. Thanks for asking, mary Edwards, how well known is David Miscavige's lifestyle within the Sea Organization?
Speaker 1:Very unknown.
Speaker 3:Only his inner circle really knows even where he is at any given time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he likes to play this game of hide and go seek with everybody. Like nobody knows where he's going to be, necessarily and when. He likes to just ambush people and show up. Sometimes he has to announce that he's going to be in a certain place at a certain date and he hates that. That's like his worst nightmare, and I think he's in like South Africa right now or something like that, which is probably not a good place to go if you're David Miscavige.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't imagine so. But I don't think any place is a good place to go if you're David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3:As we've've mentioned before, his absolute worst fear is being served and having to show up for deposition.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so, but within I would say, I would say even at the international headquarters there weren't that many people there that knew the intricacies of how well he was living and that I know they knew he had nice cars and cause they'd see him driving those things around that property. Yep.
Speaker 1:But I don't think they knew he was getting $300,000 a year. He, I don't think they knew any of that, but they knew that he had it better than them, right? But when he goes to the organizations, like in Los Angeles or these other places, they have no clue Like I would say, 99% of the Sea Org members in those locations have no clue. Only the people that work directly for him in those locations or that he's inviting out to dinners or doing social activities would even get a glimpse into that, that world of his finances and how he does. Yep, good question, mary. Thank you for that. Okay, here's another one.
Speaker 3:Question Brooke Murphy. I see at the organization near me that I can go on a tour. What might that entail? Thanks for all you do, yeah, so a tour? I know actually many people have mentioned this through that called into them to the Aftermath Foundation like, oh, I went and did a tour, do I need to be worried?
Speaker 3:And we're like just don't give your real name or any any information and sure, go ahead. But you know, just be careful. Um, uh, one one of my favorite questions was somebody who called and he was like I just I just went in like two hours ago. Are they going to be following me? I'm like they have much bigger problems than that. So just you know, be careful, be cautious, don't go back. And you're good, there you go. Uh, ian Rofalco in the house. Hey Ian, where's purist story from either of you?
Speaker 3:Okay, I have a good answer to that okay, good so I did the purification rundown when I was 14 years old and um got up to taking 5 000 milligrams of niacin which, by the way, from what I've looked up now, is carcinogenic levels of taking nice and not recommended, especially not for a 14 year old and don't you have to take the 5,000 every single day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah and then. So I was about three weeks in and I ended up being up all night throwing up vitamins and it's absolutely the worst thing to throw up, by the way and yeah, and then they told me oh, oops, you did the purification rundown too long, so you're good, don't, don't do it anymore. And it was awful and I couldn't take. I still have trouble taking vitamins, actually. That gag reflex kicks in because of that memory. So there you go. That was mine. Do you have one? No, oh, there you go, cool.
Speaker 1:I did it twice and I just was like whatever. Yeah, I did take a gazillion niacin and all that good stuff which is uncomfortable, but um, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3:They made a lot of people redo it after we left for months and months and months at a time well, I redid it when I had to do the running program.
Speaker 1:I think I had to redo the purif before I did the running program. I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I had to do it again. Even though I did it when I was like 12 years old or something like that. I had to do it again in my I don't know, I was 20, something, you know. Yeah, there you go, there's.
Speaker 3:Jonah Harris Heard anything about the former management, midoff, yeager et cetera. By the way, I drove past gold the other day, surreal to see in person. I'm a big fan. Thanks, jonah, I appreciate it, and no, we have not heard. Somebody sent us. I think SP Spanglish just sent us a picture of James Byrne at PAC. I just saw that Anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, we don't have. Unfortunately, it is a crazy piece of Scientology that they can vanish top executives as they have done. So Ray Midoff, guillaume Mark Yeager, mark Ingber, rest in peace. Norman Starkey, Anyway.
Speaker 1:We do hear from. In addition to hearing from former Scientologists and former Sea Org members, we also do hear from a lot of family members of Sea Org members and Scientologists, excuse me, where they just don't hear from them. They know they're in Scientology and then sometimes they'll say, hey, my relative's name is this, do you know where they are? And then we can, usually, through the network of ex-CEARG members, we can usually find out where that person is currently or was last we knew, but they just don't hear from them.
Speaker 1:They just don't hear from their family member that joined Scientology and they don't know like they want to know, like what do they do all day? And so this a lot of people that do watch this channel are family members or associates or ex-friends or somebody they went to school with or college ended up joining Scientology, and then that's how they find us, is they're trying to find that person. But yeah, they, yeah, we haven't heard anything about those guys. And the other thing is, there's they, there are people on the internet that are constantly searching, um, like the public records to see if there's a, a death certificate of any of these people. So when some of these people do kind of pop up on a public records search, that's usually when we find out about it, because somebody that's close to us will say, hey, we just saw that this thing happened or that thing happened, but yeah, public records. They try to stay away from that. But they kind of get into a little trap when they do vote, because they vote, scientologists vote, and they use their votes as little bargaining chips with their local politicians. Because if you've got, it's a perfect example. If you're in Golden Arrow Productions and you're in that county, that's I guess it's Riverside County is where they're located. Yeah, so if you've got 500 votes, you're winning the election in Riverside County, if you can lock up 500 votes.
Speaker 1:So Scientology will schmooze the doesn't? They're not. They don't care. As far as I've seen they're not really. They don't really care the party. They don't care if you're a Democrat or if you're a Republican or if you're an independent or if you're a green party or labor party. They don't care about any of that nonsense. They just care. If you're going to cause them grief. And if you're going to cause them grief, they're going to try to get you locked up before that happens.
Speaker 1:And if they can, if they can hand over an election to you, then they 100% will do it. If they get you, if they know it's going to be a tight race, they'll go, they'll study both people and they'll figure out which one's going to be the most pro us and they'll wine and dine them both just to sort that out. And then whoever is like 100% theirs. They're like. They just tell everybody at the base. We would literally get a sheet saying this person. It wouldn't tell us who to vote for, but it would say Johnny A loves psychiatry and Billy, candidate B loves the way to happiness and is very supportive of our programs. So you know we got to vote for guy number two.
Speaker 3:Yep, and actually sometime within the last four or five years somebody sent us a whole roster of about 10 to 15 staff from that from the headquarters that had participated in a local race, a running, a 5k, yes, and of course you know the top three winners were all members of the C organization. I mean, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was wild, it was crazy it was kind of a crazy thing that we could see the people and we and we knew all the names.
Speaker 3:There was nobody knew yeah.
Speaker 1:And I was like they're letting these guys go run five Ks now for the to support some local cause, to try and be like yeah, no, we're, we're, we're.
Speaker 3:We don't work 120 hours a week. See, we run five Ks and we win them all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here we go yeah.
Speaker 3:Joel Ashby, scientologist, smoked unfiltered cigarettes back in the day. How healthy is that right exactly camel non-filters, baby camel straights yeah, okay, let's do the second giveaway and then we'll do a few last questions, and then we will wrap up okay, here it is.
Speaker 1:We're gonna get the giveaway. I'm flipping over to giveaway mode. Perfect, okay, now I've got to uh, congratulations again. I'm gonna draw again. Here it. Okay, you guys should be seeing that. Ooh, dalton, he was code. Oh, Kelly BC.
Speaker 3:Congratulations. Please send me an email, claire, at blownforgoodcom, and we will get you your Mike Rinder bobblehead Awesome. Thank you for participating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, john Smith says this is a great cast. Oh, there you go. I don't know what that's talking about, but thank you Appreciate it. I assume he's talking about the chat. Yes, and then let's see, let's answer some more questions here. Let's see, let's answer some more questions here, let's see I got some more starred ones.
Speaker 3:I do. Okay, sabine question. It seems that David Miscavige has money stashed aside in some kind of fiscal paradise overseas. Why do you think he hasn't left already? Why does he bother staying? Yeah, well, if you're in complete control, why not stay? And yeah, I mean he doesn't have to answer to anybody, so it's not, and it's not like he could do whatever he wants, right, exactly.
Speaker 1:He's got to kind of fly below the radar and not get scooped up by the law enforcement or anything but other than that, I mean it's just like any other mafia boss kind of situation. He's got a good cushy gig right now. I mean he does also get to hang out with his buddy, tommy boy, tom cruise, he gets to go, they go off and they do all sorts of adventures and stuff. Um. They go on quests, him and tom. Um. So yeah, he's got a good.
Speaker 3:He's got a good gig oh my goodness, pete yensen tv. Hey, pete question. I've heard when they ask that question during sex checks or whatever to get into the Sea Org, they try to convince you it may not have been LSD. True? Yes, that is 100% true. That happened with my stepdad, hugh Witt, the same person who was called as a counter expert witness in the Danny Masterson trial. He thought he had taken LSD and Richard Reese at the time tried to convince him that it was not LSD.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do this thing. It's it's kind of a crazy thing. They say, hey, listen, if you've taken LSD you can't join the Sea Org. But then they're so desperate to get new people that then they're like let's do an investigation. What exactly did you take? Did it say lsd?
Speaker 3:and another key question that they ask is like well, did you hallucinate, though? Did you hallucinate? Well, I don't know, I blah, blah, blah. If you didn't hallucinate, they're willing to strike it off the list and say, no, it was probably something else you got you got given something else, it wasn't the right, it wasn't they.
Speaker 1:They have this thing where there was a lot of stuff going around and they just everybody called every and the best part about this. The people that are telling you this are like 22 years old. They've never seen LSD.
Speaker 3:They've never done LSD.
Speaker 1:They don't know anything. They grew up in a in a suburb in La Cunada Right and their parents were Scientologists. They've never even seen a drug in their life.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're like back in the day.
Speaker 3:And you know what's funny though, too, you just made me realize I'm willing to bet money. There's drugs far worse than LSD now that probably cause hallucinations or whatever, but that doesn't matter, because that's not on the list, and Hubbard didn't say they couldn't join the C organization if they took a drug that was created 10, 15 years after he died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, also, I think now the amount of drug use that's legal, even prescription drug stuff, is so much more than it was in the fifties and the sixties and the seventies when they were trying to, when they're making up all these rules. So that is another thing about Scientology, that is, it is a thing that they have a they struggle with, which is L Ron Hubbard sealed all their rules in a time capsule. They can't, they're not supposed to change them. Now, to be fair, david Miscavige has kind of worked around, that is whenever it's not good for Dave. He says he has a fun little game he plays.
Speaker 1:He says when he wants to do something and change something that L Ron Hubbard wrote, he'll say we found the original writings and they weren't L Ron Hubbard and another person did this, and in a lot of cases it was Dave who did it the time before, where he changed something. And then they say we went in and we found the real stuff and this was never supposed to be done. And then they'll say L Ron Hubbard actually said that we were supposed to do X and not Y, and David Miscavige was the one who changed it from X to Y and he changes it back to X or he changes it to Z, like the whatever way will work best for Dave, and then he'll throw all these other people under the bus that either escaped or they went to the RP or whatever.
Speaker 3:It was all their fault. He lays it all their fault.
Speaker 1:He lays it all on them and then he's like yeah, that was that guy over there, I had nothing to do with that. And everybody at the base is like bitch, please, that was you. 100%, we were there. We know about this.
Speaker 3:You were the one that did this. He is the master of do as I say, not as I do, and then, you know, play innocent when he does some big investigation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so A bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 1:All of Scientology does have to play by all these rules that L Ron Hubbard sort of locked in through the 50s, through the 80s. But David Miscavige, he can kind of maneuver around those where he really really needs to. He'll figure out a way and he has over the last 20, 30 years he's done this many, like I would say, dozens and dozens of times where he's revised or manipulated Hubbard stuff or just would find that when that's the other thing they've had all this writing since the 1986, they're constantly finding new things that they haven't gone through. It's like how can you guys still be finding stuff like it's been 40 years, you've read everything 50 times over, it's all been digitized. How are you finding new stuff?
Speaker 3:yep, just confirming what we've been saying all along.
Speaker 1:Okay, one last giveaway.
Speaker 3:Yes, thank you so much to everyone who has joined us today.
Speaker 1:We've got a super sticker from Skip.
Speaker 3:Thanks, skip oh hey, skip, thank you.
Speaker 1:Skip's another guy. He was in Celebrity Center when Yvonne Chance was there and when Scientology had all these hot celebrities in the seventies and the eighties and he knows all. He knows all this stuff. Thanks for joining us, skip.
Speaker 3:Yep, thank you.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go. We got a screen, we got the giveaway, we got Kelly Congratulations. We got the draw again, button Boom. Okay, if I win or you win, babe, we're going to get, we're going to get strung up.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to win Cause because I didn't, I didn't type there you type the comment no, but you have to do hashtag xenu oh congratulations, lilyb212. Please send me an email claire at blownforgoodcom got it. Yeah, thank you for participating in our lilyb212.
Speaker 1:Um, I can't believe that hammi agian hasn't joined us this week oh my gosh, will you ever get over that? It was the best hami. She's like literally I gotta, I gotta clip it if somebody, if you know how to clip stuff, clip it send it to us, I'll post it. But fun. She says literally it'll be fun hami, hami, agian, thank you, and I and I'm like it says ham it up again.
Speaker 3:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:It was the best. It was the best. Thank you, guys. We had a. Let's just see. You know, I do do another thing where I just throw up people's comments while we're doing the outro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, by the way, I saw we have a few people joining us for the first time today, so thank you so much. We appreciate you watching. If you get the chance, hit like, hit subscribe. It helps with the algorithm and helps us get the message to those who should be.
Speaker 1:We used to do all this and then we have the outro, so we kind of stopped. But yeah, we got the giveaway. We got if you need, if you want Xenu as my homeboy or any other kind of merch, but blown for good merch. We've got hats, mouse pads, stickers, books, bobblehead.
Speaker 3:We got all that.
Speaker 1:Bobbleheads are on the SP shop, the SP shop, which we'll get to Um, but, um, please subscribe to the aftermath channel on YouTube. We're trying to get the aftermath channel to have over 10,000 subscribers so that we can do fundraisers for the Aftermath. We can just do those on the Aftermath channel and then that way it's very easy administratively, because we don't when we're doing a fundraiser for the Aftermath, we want all of the money to go to the Aftermath and so, yeah, we're trying to get it, so we can just do the fundraisers on the Aftermath YouTube channel.
Speaker 3:Yes, and then any other YouTube channels that want to join in and participate. It can be created in such a way that that's very easily done. It's a really slick feature of YouTube to be able to support the foundation. So yeah, we'll do news and updates the foundation. So yeah, we'll do news and updates. Dedicated hour just talking about people. We've helped programs. We're launching updates from the newsletter that we sent out recently and so forth, which, by the way, is also now available at the aftermathfoundationorg.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if you want to see the latest newsletter, which has all sorts of exciting new stuff that we've been up to, Yep. And you can also, I think if you read that you can kind of see where things are headed. We do have some very slick surprises that are coming up.
Speaker 3:Completely.
Speaker 1:And then also I wanted to say we did talk about the bobbleheads, but we've got SP bracelets, that's, suppressive person bracelets. You can get one of those. You can get fake Navy Davey dolls. These little awesome dolls are behind me here. Where are we? They're those little guys right there. I got three of them just hanging. One of them likes to.
Speaker 3:We know David Miscavige is a big fan of those. Remember what? That police officer said I don't know if Apostate Alex is here. I don't know if apostate Alex is here.
Speaker 1:I don't want to misquote it, but it was like it's emotional distress.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they cause emotional distress.
Speaker 1:These little dolls right here, these little guys.
Speaker 3:They cause emotional distress to Sea Org members because yeah, by the way, what does that say about a Scientologist being able to confront and chatter suppression? Not a hell of a lot.
Speaker 1:It's not a good day in Scientology when a little teeny little doll, little elf on the shelf, doll modeled after fake Navy Davey, gives you stress. Yeah, but so you can get fake Navy Davey dolls, bobbleheads, sp bracelets. We also do have these. Oh, I can't show it, I can't reach it. We've got these.
Speaker 3:Don't drop him.
Speaker 1:We got Mike. We got these Mike Rinder bobbleheads and then we also have some special edition Mike Rinder bobbleheads and Leah Remini bobbleheads. That are they come. You can either just get the bobblehead by itself of either one of them or you can get a signed one, a signed headshot with a bobblehead of Mike, or a signed headshot of Leah with her bobblehead. And then, if you're like a complete baller and you're just wilding out and you want to go crazy helping out the aftermath foundation, you can get a set of both of them and a combined headshot that they've both signed right? Yep, it's Leah and Mike in one shot. They both signed it and you get a Leah bobblehead and a Mike bobblehead and all of the proceeds of that go towards helping people escape or get their feet back on the ground after leaving Scientology. So what do we call these Mini-Mikes?
Speaker 3:Yeah, or mike jr, mike jr awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think we did it all. We covered it all. We did it. It's another day. Thank you guys.
Speaker 3:Um it does help.
Speaker 1:Happy sunday to everyone who's joined us here it does help us, if you like, and subscribe. Um, because scientologists, they can't subscribe to our channel because they think Scientology is going to track them down. Um, they can't. Nobody's going to track you down for subscribing to a YouTube channel. That's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 3:Not a thing.
Speaker 1:Anyway. Um, I think that's it right, we're good.
Speaker 3:We're good.
Speaker 1:Thanks guys, until next time.
Speaker 3:Bye-bye.
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