Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Miscavige's Return: Inside the UK IAS Event Scandal - Scientology Q&A #37
Former high-ranking Scientology executives reveal the true origins and deceptive practices of the International Association of Scientologists, exposing how David Miscavige maintains control through intimidation, manipulation, and fabricated success stories.
• IAS was created to shield money from IRS scrutiny through offshore accounts in Cyprus, not as a "war chest" for defending Scientology
• Wealthy Scientology donors called "whales" donate millions for status recognition and ceremonial trophies
• Videos shown at IAS events are routinely fabricated, with empty locations temporarily filled with people pretending to be students
• Freedom Medal winners are sometimes selected despite minimal accomplishments, with staff creating false narratives around them
• David Miscavige's micromanagement extends to controlling urinal mats at the base and requiring 24/7 monitoring of exhausted staff
• Former insider accounts reveal Miscavige's paranoia about travel security after 9/11, requiring private jets at organizational expense
• November 3-4 IAS event in the UK will be Miscavige's first public appearance in years, carefully orchestrated to minimize public exposure
Join us on November 4th for a special Aftermath Foundation fundraiser coinciding with the IAS event to support those leaving Scientology.
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hey guys, welcome back to the channel, welcome to another episode of blown for good. Um, and we're gonna do. We're gonna bring in um mike and we're gonna bring in cla, hello, and we're going to bring in Claire.
Speaker 2:Hello, oh, look at you. You did the sequence right and everything.
Speaker 1:Oh good, perfect. Yeah, good work. Let's see, let's make sure that we're live. I have a little bit of a echo. I'm just going to make sure that I'm good here. Oh my God, god, we're good though no, I'm good, never a dull moment over here on stream.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, actually there is a dull moment. It starts out dull, yeah like we just let me make sure the sound people are showing up um, let's see, oh, there we go.
Speaker 1:That was.
Speaker 3:Oh, look at that, yeah, you gotta have your mic within, you know the same time zone, and then probably we'll hear you good yeah, aaron was stressing out.
Speaker 2:Wherever he is in the inter interwebs world, he's like your mic, your mic nice we're like we know mitch is here oh, yay, goldie's here. I love you, goldie liz ferris.
Speaker 3:Look at all these people oh, yay people here yeah, from a poet.
Speaker 2:Brian lucas is here. We got someone from Canada.
Speaker 3:Nice. Write a cram on mock please, I will.
Speaker 2:I got it Mitch Apostate. Alex is here.
Speaker 3:Oh, really. Well, that's appropriate.
Speaker 2:Oh, Jeff Hawkins is here.
Speaker 3:I was going to say that's appropriate that Apostate Alex is here because we're going to take another one of his scoops to start this episode with Yep the news that apparently Mr Miskovich is going to be going to the IES event in the UK on the 3rd and 4th of November.
Speaker 2:Ooh, he's crawling out of his hole.
Speaker 3:November Ooh, he's crawling out of his hole. Yeah Well, as I told Tony, there is only one place where I think that he would be willing to go and sort of re-announce himself on the world stage, at least the Scientology world stage.
Speaker 2:Which is more like a town or a village at this point.
Speaker 3:It's more like the world doormat. It's like standing on the doormat, not really the stage. But the UK is sort of unique. I don't think he's going to show up to any ideal org openings where he has to be out on the street or go into an airport that he doesn't know.
Speaker 3:The UK has got this pretty good setup of St Hill is a fully enclosed property, sort of like the gold base, with a fence around it and a lot of security, so you can't really get in and out of there easily and he can fly into Farnborough Airport, which is where the private jets land near St Hill, and Farnborough is one of those airports where you can drive the vehicle up to the plane and you step out of the plane off the steps of the plane directly into a vehicle.
Speaker 3:So there's no access to him and he doesn't have to sit in you know la traffic where some process server might run up behind him and stop him on the way to the shrine. He doesn't have to get in and out of anything other than a plane at the la at the us end the plane arriving in the uk into a vehicle and then into saint hill and he'll never set foot outside of saint hill again until he goes back to farnborough or wherever I assume farnborough or wherever I assume Farnborough, to get back on Tom Cruise's plane and fly back to wherever he flies back to.
Speaker 2:Nice. Yeah, god forbid he'd have to confront and shatter any of us mere mortals.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, oh yes. Confront and shatter is a term that has come to have absolutely no meaning in Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3:It never really did, but at least back in the day there were people that sort of went out into the world and tried to stand up for Scientology in some fashion or another. You know, I did it for a long time. Yeah, Heba did it, A bunch of other people did it.
Speaker 2:Nowadays there's nobody except Monique the non-Scientologist the non-Scientologist Right. What other billion-dollar organization has no public relations person who's even willing to say hello?
Speaker 3:Right, right.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I know I'm dominating this conversation, no no, it's okay, we haven't done a live with you in so long that we're like wow let's let Mike talk for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Mike is here.
Speaker 3:I haven't really been very lively for a while, so I'm back to feeling lively again.
Speaker 2:So here I am being live. We'll be lively with you anytime you want, okay.
Speaker 3:I was going to sort of throw out this idea that we had mentioned in our last Aftermath Foundation board meeting, which was you know, if they're going to hold an IAS event to fundraise for Scientology, maybe we should coincidentally hold a fundraiser for the Aftermath. To you know, recognize that this is a day of fundraising.
Speaker 2:Yes, I love it. I love the idea.
Speaker 1:It's a great idea and I think also we can encourage people and I thought of a great idea is we can make the fundraiser. We can call it the IAS event live stream SPTV coverage.
Speaker 2:IAS, as in International association of former scientologists.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, but of special people, of special people.
Speaker 2:There you go, yes, the isp.
Speaker 3:Well, we can just call it s.
Speaker 1:We'll just say, is event sp tv coverage and live stream, and then some people might not even go because they think they're just oh, I can just watch it on youtube yeah, we'll have more scientologists present for our live stream then then we'll be at the actual ies event and now they'll have to send out a special email to everybody to let them know
Speaker 1:do not look, yeah do not watch this on uh on uh youtube. That's not where the event's going to be, and then people are going to be like's on YouTube then, and we're not supposed to go look at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there'll be a ban. Do not go on YouTube on this day.
Speaker 3:Oh, I like that.
Speaker 2:That's a good plan.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's amazing. I think so, I think it is a good plan.
Speaker 3:There is why we you know, I sort of railroaded this into let's talk about the IAS, just because Apostate Alex had brought that up and then Tony Ortega wrote an article about it and then Aaron did a video, and then we don't want to miss out on talking about this.
Speaker 3:But there is a lot of other stuff about the IAS that I don't know is really well known and I think it should should be made known, or it should be made as widely known as possible, and some humorous and somewhat insane anecdotes from previous IAS events which I thought might be fun to have a chat about too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but one thing I wanted to make clear from the outset I was a part of the formation of the IAS with Lyman Spurlock and Carl Helt, who is still in the Sea Org in Europe, and a lawyer by the name of Jacob Aravad, who was a Danish lawyer, who put forth the idea that there is this special class of organization in Europe called a membership association, and I'm not going to go into all sorts of details about this, but he said we should form this because it's like nobody can really get any access to it.
Speaker 3:It's like and at the time the IRS was heavily, heavily involved in trying to get a collect on their assessments, and they were freezing bank accounts and issuing all sorts of threats and stuff, and the idea was we have to keep money out of the hands, or the potential hands, of the IRS. So all money made by every Scientology organization outside of the US has to stop being sent into the United States, where it could be theoretically grabbed by the IRS. So that was originally why the IAS was set up in Cyprus, to be exact. That's where it was located. Maureen Borgatti and a couple of other people were sent to Cyprus to open bank accounts and set up a little office there, and the money from all of the European orgs started being channeled into the IAS bank accounts that were outside of the control of the IRS.
Speaker 2:A glorious offshore account.
Speaker 3:Exactly. But the big lie is that the IAS was founded to be the war chest for Scientology's battles, and this lie exists that the first big victory of the IAS was in Portland. There was no money from the IAS that went to Portland. That was completely opposite to what the purpose of the structure of the IAS originally was, which was to keep money outside the US. It wasn't going to be brought in to fight legal battles no way. In fact, that would be absolutely the last thing, getting that money entangled in any legal case or lawyers or whatever lawyers or whatever. So this, this idea that the, the great history of the is began with the portland crusade, is, is completely made up. It's just a figment of dave's imagination. That sounded good.
Speaker 1:It's just a narrative that he wants to tell yeah, and it been.
Speaker 3:Now it's become like history, like this is a actual history of Scientology, Not even close. It's not the history of Scientology, in fact, up until the time that the IRS granted the IAS tax exempt status because the IAS and IAS administrations and the fundraising of the IAS was all deemed to sort of fall under the umbrella of Scientology. So the IAS became tax-exempt and at that point, that's when the heavy you've got to donate to the IAS. Before that it was a membership organization. You had an annual or six month membership and the money from the orgs went to the IAS. But that all changed and then it became, you know, the history got created that this is the guarantee that Scientology will always be around and all those catchphrases that they use to get the whales to start handing over money.
Speaker 3:And it was like I remember the very earliest IAS events where there was fundraising being done which was primarily on the free wins during maiden voyage. That was the big deal I S thing, because Miscavige was there and people would get handed their bowling trophies and the you know, the lower level guys got them from me or Heber or Guillaume or someone, and the big hitters got them from the master of ceremonies himself. If they were lucky and Mr Miskovich would show up and hand out the trophies to the big guys, right, and that's still the routine that they use. I mean it is, it is hammered into these horse suckers that hand over hundreds of thousands or millions of tens of millions of dollars how incredibly important they are. You know they're up to gold, platinum, butt, kisses, meritorious or whatever their names are. I have one of those trophies.
Speaker 3:I should show everybody.
Speaker 1:I don't know if everybody's seen this except to so damn many. I'm going to switch it to Mike's view, because I need to switch something else anyway, so I'm going to put it to him.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:How do I do that actually?
Speaker 2:You just take us out. Perfect, Can I? How do I do that? Actually you just take us out Perfect, I can do it.
Speaker 3:Let me check this puppy out. Platinum meritorious Richie and Amy A canto.
Speaker 2:Amazing, that's crazy that. How heavy is that thing, mike? Like 40 pounds or 40 pounds?
Speaker 3:Wow, that's crazy that. How heavy is that thing? Mike, like 40 pounds, 35 or 40 pounds wow, that's. Crazy, it's like really heavy, but that's what they hand out, unless you're tom cruise, then you get a super special one yep, do you?
Speaker 2:do you know what year the IAS was formed?
Speaker 3:Hold on if I think about it.
Speaker 2:No worries 1982,.
Speaker 3:I think.
Speaker 2:Okay, that makes sense, because I remember at an IAS event when I was seven or eight years old at St Hill. Yeah, so I think I was at probably the first IAS event ever at St Hill. Yeah, so I think I was at probably the first IS event ever at St Hill and, I believe it or not, got autographs from Guillaume and Mark, jaeger and Heber.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'll give you my autograph the next time I see you.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 3:You'll have the you. Thank you, oh man. There's so many great IAS event stories.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:I just remembered another one when we were sitting here. Originally, the IAS events. Like, the first IAS event was held in Toronto.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 3:Okay, and the awards were given to non-Scientologists Wow, to like religious leaders who were allies, oh I see. And I think the third one was held in Lausanne, oh, nice, and I didn't go to Toronto. I went. I think the second one was in Paris and I didn't go to Toronto. I think the second one was in Paris and I went to Paris but I didn't speak. Then I went to Lausanne and I think that was the first IAS event that I spoke at.
Speaker 3:But that event was memorable for, okay, the person, one of the people that won the IAS Freedom Medal at that event was a guy from Colombia or Venezuela, and now his name escapes me, but he was brought up on stage and it was all like a big da-da and he was presented his award and then, after the event, it came to light that this guy was a complete crook oh yeah, he was like doing some sort of gold gold trading or something and ripping off all the Scientologists and a whole bunch of people had sort of come up when they saw him on the stage and went this, he ripped those off, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3:So it turns out that what they were saying was true. So at like 11 o'clock at night, miscavige, norman Starkey, me, guillaume and Heber and whoever else was there, maybe Ray Midoff tracked this guy down in this hotel and Miscavige took his medal back. Wow, and his name does not appear in any of the like. The old what is Scientology book has the names of all the IAS Freedom Medal winners. Yeah, he's not in that, even though he was in the event and was given the medal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, David Miscavige rewriting Scientology history day by day.
Speaker 1:Mike, do you remember what happened? This was much, many years later, but do you remember when we shot the video for Lynn Irons? Oh yeah, so we shot a video for this guy. He was the medal winner and his name was Lynn Irons and he happened to be the wasn't he the father of a base staff member.
Speaker 2:Not only any base staff member he was the father of Davidid miscavige's personal steward yeah.
Speaker 1:So we shot a whole video in russia with this guy and he had another guy named bud that was sort of helping him do stuff and doing lectures with him and stuff like that. And I want to say the event video was done and edited and we were basically it was ready for the event and to be honest, that didn't happen that many times I know, like we would be editing up to the day of the event and sometimes the tape would get couriered over at the last minute because all the editing facilities were in California and it would be brought over at the last second. So this video was in the can, edited, it was all good to go, and then somebody I guess somebody got wind of it or something happened and it was revealed. I don't remember how we found out, but Dave found out that good old Lynn there the video was him getting Scientology into Russia and all of the work he was doing in Russia to spread Scientology all around. And then we found out that good old Lynn was availing himself of the, the local, uh, female services that you could get in russia, oopsies and um. Yeah, so we had to, we basically had to somehow salvage and it was all about the video. That's really what it was. Just, we got it, we shot the video. The video is done. What are we going to do?
Speaker 1:So, um, dave ordered all of the footage to be gone through and to figure out who's in more, who's the second person that's in most amount of the shots other than lynn and it was this guy, bud, and his name was bud reichel and bud reichel he became the Freedom Medal winner for that year because he was in more shots than anybody besides Lynn. And then I think they went and shot like a few things of him in the front of a course room or you know, doing a bunch of handing out some booklets or something like that, and they just spiced up the edit with him, changed the titles, changed the whole interview oh, that was it. Changed the titles, changed the whole uh interview oh, that was it. We did an interview with bud for him to tell his story and how he'd been working on this for so many years and how it got to this, and he was the medal winner, and that was enough for me to go like hmm, like this, literally, was all about dave having a video that he could show. It didn't really matter who did the work or what work was done. But so, yeah, there's definitely.
Speaker 1:And then the last thing I wanted to say is when we did the Tom Cruise award in 2004, there were already three medal winners for that year that we'd also already done all the videos for and shot and had them all ready. And then, out of nowhere, dave was like we need to do a video about Tom. And then that I've done many, I've told that story many times, we might do a whole video just about that, just about that. But as soon as Tom was going to get a video, they were trying to figure out well, would we do Tom last, or would we do Tom first, or how do we do that? And then Dave just decided, yeah, we're not doing those other three people, and they were just not medal winners anymore because Tom was going to get it. And if we were going to give the award to Tom, we didn't want anybody else to share the stage with him, it just was going to be Tom.
Speaker 3:Right, that static is really bad yeah, I heard that too oh, I don't hear anything. It's you mark? Oh, pretty sure. Oh well, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1:There you go um, okay, I'm gonna take myself out. I'll join back in. You guys are good to go, okay we'll just keep going all righty yeah, there's so many is event and video stories.
Speaker 3:We could go on for a week yeah, like I, because I was always directly involved with them, because, for whatever reason, I was the person that had to somehow figure out how the events were going to get done. And I remember Wendy Anna. Wendy Anna was in Tasmania.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:About as far away as you can get, and Larry Jacobs and the camera crew was sent there to film the video for Wendy Anna, the IAS Freedom Medal winner.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:And she was supposedly opening all these groups and missions and you know, turning Tasmania into the first Scientology island in the world or something. And they get there and find there's nothing happening.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:There wasn't really a mission, there weren't really any groups, it was just all a lot of BS.
Speaker 2:There was nobody interested in Scientology whatsoever.
Speaker 3:They were not getting back. I would just say there's so many stories about IAS videos we could go on for weeks but I one that sticks in my mind is the Wendy Honor one, where Larry Jacobs and the camera crew was sent all the way to Tasmania to document her taking over the entire island and state of Tasmania with her groups and missions. And they got there and there was nothing, and so they had to go around and find buildings and locations and get people off the street to come in and sit at tables and chairs pretending to be reading Scientology materials in order to pretend that there was this overwhelming interest. Well, the overwhelming interest in Scientology, even with all the fake stuff, didn't even look like anything significant, like they struggled so much to get anything that it was sort of okay, we give, yeah, we'll take that, yeah, I got. You got 10 people in a room. Okay, yeah, I know you've been working on that for five days, so we don't have any more time, we'll just use that.
Speaker 3:And I mean there are videos like that, for like every year there were videos like that. These guys that were the big psych busters who'd closed down all these places. Not so much Didn't really happen. Maybe they got an article in the newspaper but couldn't find most of the stuff that was being talked about, and this has been a problem since the very first days of presenting these awards, and I think that the first bit they didn't used to do videos. Videos started intro videos for IES Freedom Medal winners started like four or five years after the actual events got started. I don't remember when that was exactly, but I'm going to say it was during the 90s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it probably had to do with making it so that nobody had to get up on stage and give a speech of any kind.
Speaker 3:Well, oh, that's another thing. Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:So for the events I'll take over here, is my audio good now?
Speaker 2:Yes, perfect, we'll start giving you the like.
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, no, no, I just set up Claire with a new mic setup and I cannibalized my stuff to set her up.
Speaker 2:Yep, it's your fault Claire, so it's my fault. It was my fault.
Speaker 1:I was the one who did it, but I didn't think it would make a big deal. And then I realized, oh, I need to put that back the way I had it before. No worries, thank you, honey, I appreciate your help. It's all good. It's all good Up till the events, and the only reason that I know this in excruciating detail is for many, many years I was over the pre-production department, which is over script writing, and it's over research and assembly, and those are the people that would feed the people that were writing scripts for these events.
Speaker 1:And so we would have to write, mike would have to write his speech, and in a lot of times, mike would have to write other people's speeches as well, including Dave's speech, and then he'd give that to Dave, and then Dave would yell at Mike for all of the pieces of turds that he turned over on the scripts, and then, essentially, David Miscavige would punch those up or have somebody else punch them up, like a guy. What was the guy? The writer, dan Sherman, dan Sherman, have Dan Sherman punch them up. Good old Sherman, speak, sherman. Have Dan Sherman punch it all, sherman speak, and then give it back to Dave, and then Dave would punch up what what Sherman did. And then he'd tell Mike, I had to redo the whole entire thing myself and you're like, but everybody knew that Dan Sherman did it, but he never said I had to have Dan Sherman fix it and then I had to fix what Dan Sherman did. He would just say I fixed everything.
Speaker 1:So when we would get to the event and somebody was going to get an award, somebody would have to help that person write their speech, because otherwise they'd say insane things that David Miscavige would be like. No way you're saying that. So those speeches, and sometimes these people couldn't speak that great of English or they couldn't speak any English, and then we had to get a translator and then the translator had to go on the stage. It was just a giant, giant nightmare and and usually it would be the subject of great pain and agony for all of us that the these speeches would have to get done. And now Mike would be the one who would usually you would mainly be like the run interference with that person, right.
Speaker 3:Because Dave's not talking to any of these people directly no, no, no, no, no, no. And what would happen is usually the orders with respect to those people's speeches were that they haven't acknowledged COB adequately, that they're too long and that they aren't forwarding whatever the message was Like. If it was, ideal orgs were the big deal at the moment. They had to talk about how amazing the ideal orgs were, even if it had nothing to do with them. They had to fit into the overall message of the event so effectively. They would be told what they were supposed to say and only authorized to say, specifically, they all had to be on a teleprompter. Like, yeah, there were guys that were like didn't want to do a teleprompter because they didn't know how to do it and they was sort of scared of it and they wanted to have their little piece of paper. They were allowed to have their piece of paper if they insisted, but they had to have the teleprompter.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know, it's really funny is that you said that thing about they had to thank COB. That became sort of for everything in all of Scientology, to the point where, if you went to a flag graduation and you completed a course and you, if you listen to any speech that anyone ever does on a Scientology stage, they will first thank David Miscavige and maybe sometimes they would also thank LRH, but no matter what, they are thanking David Miscavige, chairman, chairman of the board, religious technology center, for everything he does, and it's, it's baked in to every single speech Mike you have. Do we still have those event videos? We had those for you still have some the videos, the actual videos?
Speaker 1:I was thinking at a certain point we could do a super cut, like we could edit one down and chop it up and then just do a reaction. We couldn't do a reaction video to a whole event because they're two hours long, but if we but if we chopped out, chopped out all the fluff and maybe did a super cut of it, and then we could just rip through it and we could comment, it still would take forever. We might, I would love to do it though, because you could see, and it would be a really good example if we could do it before this is event.
Speaker 1:It would be amazing, but the amount of just flat-out Lies that are in these videos like oh, I know they were playing Aaron Smith Levin and I want to say it was either Mitch or Rachel, or it was Rachel and Mitch that did a video and they played one of these videos about how many they're reaching this and they're doing that.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but rolling thunder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it said they had millions of groups and missions in this thing millions and I was like whoa and I mean these are from 2017 or 2018. These are more recent things but they've only shrunk since we left. There hasn't got. They have not had one statistic in Scientology go up since the early 2000s. Really since the 2000s and even since 1996, the stats have been gone Square footage of owned buildings has gone up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, empty buildings, dollars in reserve Tax-exempt dollars that the IRS hasn't audited has gone up.
Speaker 1:But they haven't gotten more people, they haven't set up more.
Speaker 3:The number of broken-up families has gone up. Yeah, that's true, but that's not a stat. They keep there's some up stats, but either way, Number of channels on SPTV has definitely skyrocketed. That's gone up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Boom Inches of Ntheta media.
Speaker 2:That's gone up, yeah.
Speaker 3:Number of people convicted of crimes.
Speaker 2:Yes, that Scientology helped cover up. That's gone up. Yep, definitely.
Speaker 3:I can just keep going. I can do my own Rolling Thunder. Yet, Mark.
Speaker 2:Maybe we should do that. We'll compile all of the stats for our IAS fundraiser.
Speaker 1:Oh, well, we should, we could do.
Speaker 2:awards too, we could do awards too.
Speaker 1:We could do a whole award show.
Speaker 3:We could do a whole IAS event.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. I've got some trophies Back in event mode. I've got to get back in event mode, Mike.
Speaker 1:Get back in event mode. Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:by the way, you were just reminding me when we were talking that remember David Miscavige put together the whole blooper reel of all the speakers. Could you imagine if that ever got leaked?
Speaker 3:oh my god well, that was well what about the other?
Speaker 1:yeah?
Speaker 3:there were. There were deliberately shot goofball reels on the free wins.
Speaker 1:Well, I was gonna say there was a guy that went to the rpf for one of those videos because he was the. He was the shipping manager Productions.
Speaker 1:And somebody gave him a tape and they said you got to get this to the free wins. And he took the tape. It was like a beta, whatever they call beta, SP or digital beta or whatever it was back in the day. And he took it to the airport and this was before, this was pre 9-11. Took it to the airport and this is before this was pre 9-11 and he went to the gate and he gave somebody who was on a flight to miami or somewhere. He gave them the tape and then somebody in miami grabbed the tape and then gave it to another person that was flying to the free winds, was flying to curacao or whatever.
Speaker 1:So this tape went through two total strangers. Just hey, do you mind taking this and somebody will pick it up. On the other end and this is also before the days of, do not accept anything from anyone. That's not your luggage. You know whatever they said. And this, this video, was an edit of all of this footage that they had shot at the free winds while we were setting up for the, the week of events that was going there, of david miscavige and guillermo in the engine room doing actual work like scrubbing the decks and down in the engine room and that sort of stuff, because that was such a joke, yeah, like this was.
Speaker 3:This was the joke was yeah, that they all of us it was me, it was ray, it was norman, that was guillaume and dave himself doing all these weird.
Speaker 1:They'd be cleaning the cabins and they'd be scrubbing the engine room and they'd be cooking the food, and they'd all be doing this all day long. And then at the end of the event, somebody they're like looking, or at the end of the video, near the end, they're looking at their watches and they run to their room and they put on their their tuxedo and run down the hallway and then that's the way the event would open.
Speaker 1:Dave would literally be running down the hallway to get to where the starlight was and then they would turn the lights on and he would walk out on stage and that was the gag. That video was the video that this guy had couriered with these random people just given to random people and have brought there and and I think it was one of those things, like it was so going to not make the event, that when it made it, dave was like what happened? He was like, oh, yeah, we got it here. And it was like well, who brought it? And it was like oh, it was sent by gold. And it was like and that's, if you do that, like if Dave said who brought it and you say it was sent by gold, that's you're now, you're in a world of terror.
Speaker 3:Because he.
Speaker 1:He said I didn't ask who sent it, I asked who brought it. And then you go like, oh well, some rando on a plane in Miami brought it, and then a rando on a plane from Curacao brought it, and Ryan Greaves was like off with your head. But there was another one. What was the other one we did, mike, wasn't there one where? Gosh, I'm blinking now. Well, over the years we did many, many of these things.
Speaker 1:It became a thing that the free wins events are attended by only the very, very highest level Scientology, like civilian Scientologists in the world. So you can only 250 of them, yeah, 250. So you can only 250 of them, yeah, 250. That's. That's another telling statistic, because the Starlight Cabaret, which is where they do this event, it only fits a little over 200 people in that place and once you put the event crew and anybody else in there, it's full and they wouldn't even fill that room. A lot of times they would have the Sea Org members that worked on the free wins would dress up to fill out that room. A lot of times they would have the Sea Org members that worked on the free wins would dress up to fill out that room and but in order to get into that event. You had to I want to say you'd had to have given them millions of dollars over the year to get into that event.
Speaker 1:Like and and and well they had to be OT eight to begin with. I was just going to say, and you also had to either be ot8 and I think if your wife was like ot7 or something like that and you both given 10 million dollars, then your wife could come to, but um, but otherwise or if you're a david biscavage's chiropractor, you know things like that or his or his hair, his hairstylist or his chef or his or the person driving the yacht that's sailing around behind the free winds that he's actually staying on His scuba instructor oh and his scuba instructor oh my God, I forgot all about those.
Speaker 2:What was the name of that guy? The scuba instructor Roland?
Speaker 3:Roland Roland.
Speaker 2:Roland, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Nice guy.
Speaker 1:He was a nice guy yes, oh my gosh nice guy. He was a nice guy, but um so. But so those guys became sort of dave made this thing like, if you give enough money and you're active and you're one of the top dog scientologists, one of the whales, so that somebody mentioned in the comments what's a whale. A whale is somebody that scientology can suck millions of dollars out of on a regular basis over a long period of time.
Speaker 3:That's not a Scientology term, by the way.
Speaker 1:No, that's a.
Speaker 3:Vegas term. It's a Vegas term for the big catches, high rollers. That's what it is the big catch, the guy that's going to lay down millions of dollars on the tables in Vegas or the tables in front of the IAS Regis.
Speaker 1:Except in Scientology. In the world of Scientology, that guy's not getting his room comped, or free buffets or a couple of ladies of the night sent up to his room or open bar.
Speaker 2:none of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not getting any of the perks a normal whale gets. You're just getting harpooned on a regular basis. That's the only thing that's happening in Scientology.
Speaker 2:Until the day you die, you get handed one of those bowling trophies. There you go.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but those also. The bigger the trophy, the more millions you've donated. Oh yeah, that is probably you're right, mike. That may be the only perk you get is you get a trophy. That's the one thing you don't. Actually, there's not a transactional. Do they have to pay for the shipping to wherever they live? I have no idea. I doubt it.
Speaker 2:That's a great question.
Speaker 3:But what they really do get is status, and status for public scientologists is the most coveted thing in scientology whether that be a certificate that says they're an ot8. Even though they may be the most incompetent, uh socially inept, person on the planet, if they've got a certificate that says they're OT8, they got big status in Scientology. It used to be that if you had a certificate that said you're a class eight auditor, that that was a big status in Scientology. But that's not much. I mean, they're not even a class eight or a class six course anymore anyway. But these days being an auditor in Scientology is like it's not really treated with much respect. It used to be the thing. Nowadays it's a nothing. It's a big old nothing burger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you bring up a really good point there. So actually the bridge to total freedom is shrinking.
Speaker 3:Well, it has certainly shrunk under David Miscavige. The left side has just literally evaporated.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Halfway down.
Speaker 1:Yes, guys, nothing changed. It just closed one of the lanes, that's all. There was the lanes, that's all. There was two lanes.
Speaker 2:That's a big deal when you don't have a.
Speaker 1:Dave's repaving it and he's just been repaving it for 20 or 30 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just a little slow. He's diverting it to more trips to your bank account. Yeah, and it's definitely not earthquake safe, because, as what TV has?
Speaker 1:proven that we're shaking that bridge up pretty good. But those people got accustomed to being kind of privy to this secret info that Dave and the briefings that he would give it was just to them. They weren't even allowed to tell anybody about some of these things because they were sort of like behind the scenes stuff he's working on. Cause they were sort of like behind the scenes stuff he's working on. And then and then when it came out they'd be like oh yeah, dave talked about this 17 years ago at a at a maiden voyage event. Cause he announced the golden. They have this thing called the golden age of tech. He announced that on the free wins at one of these events. It didn't come out for five, six years after that. And or the golden age of tech two, or the E meter he showed them.
Speaker 3:He showed them the E meter Six years before it eventually came out.
Speaker 1:He showed it to them. Gosh, I want to say well, he showed it to them, or he told them about it in 1996, when the golden age of tech was coming out. He told them we even have a new meter coming that you're is going to blow your mind. And I want to say that meter blew their minds about 2007, like a decade later, is when it blew their minds and it was literally. I'm pretty sure when people saw it they're like we waited 10 years for the easy bake oven 2.0, like what the hell. And it had been built for that entire 10 years just sitting on the shelf, sitting in the shelves.
Speaker 2:They had to have an all-hands to dust them off before the event announcement.
Speaker 3:That's true. Yep, that's true, yeah, okay, I've got another IAS story that I remembered.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Is that we're on the IAS theme here? Yes, yes, we're on the IAS theme here.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Okay, 2011. I mean 2001. Obviously, september 11th happened on September 11th and you know if you were around at that time, you will recall that you know for two days or three days there was no news air travel in the United States whatsoever and for some time after that there was enormous amount of hand-wrenching and worry about you know what's going to happen, because all the TSA stuff wasn't in place. You know that was back in the day where you could run up to a plane as it was about to take off and bang on the door and they'd come and open the door and let you on and you didn't go through metal detectors. You didn't do anything.
Speaker 3:Of course, October 6th or 7th is actually the anniversary of the IAS and the event is supposed to occur then. It constantly gets pushed later and later for reasons that you may now understand, because we need more time to get the videos done and we need more time between Auditor's Day or whatever, this or the grand opening of that. So we're going to schedule it. So now it generally gets done in the beginning of November, but back in 2001 it was going to be in in October.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so hand-wringing, the hand-wringing of David Miscavige about whether it was safe for him to fly to the United Kingdom was over the top. Yes, so me, guillaume Kiba, norman, ray Jager were all pulled into the conference room and Miscavige, very seriously said I want to know whether it's safe for me to fly to the UK, and what should we do if it isn't? Should we hold the event? Should we not hold the event? Are you, morons, going to go? Do it by yourselves? You know, whatever. And of course, I, as the head of OSA, was the one that was supposed to come up with the answer about whether it was safe to fly or not, and this was one of those predicaments that always happens of okay, do I say that it is or do I say that it isn't, because either way could be just as catastrophic.
Speaker 3:Yes yep, there's no right answer here.
Speaker 2:That's right, exactly no right answer it's always.
Speaker 1:What is the lesser evil and what is the fallout? What's the least amount of fallout that there's right?
Speaker 3:right. So I opted for sir. For sir, you are the most important person in Scientology, so you know we can't risk you putting yourself in danger by flying to you know a foreign country at this time. Me and Guillaume and Mark and Heber and Ray and Norman will do the event. We'll all fly in separate planes, so we're not all on the same plane, and we will go and take care of this, handle and report. So, oh, my fucking God, you guys are trying to steal the IES event from me, you motherfuckers. I mean it was like, and then after that, then it becomes okay. So how are you going to make absolutely certain I'm safe? Well, I told you already in my original proposal there really isn't a way of guaranteeing that. You know, we're not even the United States government. This is not sort of out of our control. We can do things that might make less likely that something could happen, but we can't guarantee that and we should note that he had a speech prepared for.
Speaker 2:Had you dared to suggest he should go, then you're trying to destroy all of Scientology by putting his life at risk.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. It's just like you can. Those are the conversations, those questions that get posed to you. Like that, you know you're never going to win.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not, there're never going to win.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely there's just no way out. You might as well take the medicine right? Just say something. Anything, take it and be done.
Speaker 1:It's actually any question that he asks. Is that way he could ask you what you ate for lunch yesterday and you could end up on the RPF at the end of that conversation?
Speaker 2:And, by the way, mike, I don't think you know that for this particular event, I was the one that ended up having to sign the purchase order to authorize $50,000 for his charter flight to the UK.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that was what ended up happening. I think that was the first time that there was ever a private jet used to transport speakers to, or a speaker to, an international event. It became pretty routine after that.
Speaker 1:I can tell you from the finance end, that's exactly what happened. We would the IAS and this is another thing which I think might be more prevalent now but for the IAS specifically, the event budgets were were were pinned at a maximum amount because they could only spend the interest of what their investments or their, their capital was earning. So the budget we would get a budget and would be like that's it, that's what you get, don't go over anything that goes over. Csi has to pay for that. And one of the things that we started to have to cover was jet fuel in that event. Because he was I don't know how it ended up when you were there last, mike, but he would either take. He wasn't getting just any jet, he was using Craig Jensen's jet for a while, he was using Tom Cruise's jet, he was using other people's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was using other people's jets, but we would have to cover the fuel in the budget, so that's what would go in and I and I think pilots or something like that, but either way it was, it was a lot and I think pilots or something like that, but either way it was a lot, it was. I don't ever remember it being, you know, less than several, you know 30, 40, 50, 60 thousand dollars for him to go, just for him to go to UK and back, and I think I don't think there was a lot of hanger-ons that were going or entourage, it was really just his people and that was it. I don't think. Did you ever go on a jet over there with him? You did, yeah, okay, so like maybe the speechwriters or something like that would go with him.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like any event crew were going on that. Oh no, no, no no, no, it was.
Speaker 3:Dave and his people that were working on speeches. It was Dave and his people that were working on speeches, and maybe George and what's his name?
Speaker 2:the chiropractor and Dan Sherman, stephen Price.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and me and Guillaume, maybe sometimes and Jaeger, and it was always because the speeches weren't done.
Speaker 3:So you assholes have to come with me now, because I have to sit there and oversee you and he would go to the bed in the back and leave us to write the speeches, that's just what I was going to ask I had to clean up for days and I remember one time I'm sitting there like literally like dead asleep, with a speech in front of me and him coming out of the cubby in the back where the bed was and kicking me like you, lazy fucking asshole, I can't believe you fell asleep while you're right. Well, he's in the back lying in bed sleeping and I'm sitting there trying to write his speech.
Speaker 1:And we did that, and that happened at the base too. He would go to bed like around 4 or 5 in the morning and then he'd show up at 1 or 2 in the afternoon. Well, we all had to stay up, but we had to be at muster in the morning. So if we went to bed at five or six, we'd have to get a ride to wherever we lived and then get back in and be at morning muster at like eight o'clock or whatever it was, and then he'd show up at one or two, having slept a good six, seven hours, whatever it was, and then he'd be all fresh and cheery and we'd be like we'd be dragging ass all day or all week, because that would just go on every night. And and when Mike would be on these events? Um, he would be up.
Speaker 1:Sometimes I would leave at like four or five in the morning and Mike would be in there still doing stuff in where, in these offices, where they did all the event speech writing was in the, the division that I worked in. It was in our offices, so whenever the events would come on, they would literally just take over our whole spot and they'd have people in there and meetings, and it was just like where are we going to meet crew chief? Uh man, we'll find a place. You just like, where are we going to meet crew chief? Uh man, we'll find a place. You know we'll go. We'll go over in the studio, we'll go under the tree. Yeah, we'll literally just go outside in the grass and have a meeting because Dave's taken over our conference room.
Speaker 1:But when Mike would fall asleep, if Mike would fall asleep at any point during the normal well, not even during the normal workday just at any point while this was happening, then Dave would call his professional photographer in and they would do a whole photo shoot of Mike sleeping. And then at the next usually it was at the meeting the next day where it was like did you guys get me all the speeches? And da, da, da, da, da, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir, and he goes oh, let me show you guys some fun stuff that I saw, I got reported on last night and he would have a sheath like a, like you know, maybe 20 or 30 prints big eight by 10 glossies, and he just throw them on the conference table and it would just be Mike, in 75 different angles, sleeping at a desk, at a computer or something like that, and Mike am I wrong that this happened like on a regular basis where he would do this?
Speaker 1:It was not. It wasn't even like it was. Literally as soon as you'd see that big fat stack of prints, you're like oh man again.
Speaker 2:And and it was so unfair because in I mean obviously it's unfair anyway, what a stupid comment. But in later years, remember, he would assign somebody from religious technology center to ghost you like, not the real world meaning of the word ghost, but to stand by you 24, 7 and then, just every time you doze off, take a picture.
Speaker 1:I mean, what the heck kind of mental warped world is not even wake you up, not even like hey, wake up we gotta well it actually it actually got worse when john horwich and I were assigned to edit all of the basic books and we had six weeks to do without.
Speaker 3:Our assignment was you have to edit, compare to the original manuscripts, all of the L Ron Hubbard books and produce a glossary for each in six weeks. And how many books were there? 14, or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 14 books I mean Science of Survival is like 450 pages. Right Dianetics is like 390 pages or something. I mean it was just insane and we had Tari and whoever else was in the office of COB constantly hounding us Like constantly hounding us Like your time machine order, your target date. Your target for this is you've got six hours. You have to have this book done in the next seven hours. You have to have it done by tomorrow at 6 pm or whatever.
Speaker 3:John and I were literally we slept on the floor in his house just just down from the G's, because John Hall, which lived in a house on the property, and we literally slept on the floor. I think we had a total of 12 hours of sleep in two weeks while we were editing these books, weeks while we were editing these books and in the end it got so insane that there was someone, not from RTC but the CMO, who was assigned to stand next to me 24 hours a day and poke me If I started looking like I was dozing off. I had to be poked to keep me awake so that I could edit the most important texts in the entire universe in the history of mankind with no sleep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely no sleep, I mean, because that's not going to be. There's not going to be any errors in any of your work. Oh that that.
Speaker 2:I mean that would be, that would be incomprehensible.
Speaker 1:And that is inevitably what would happen. These guys would submit it and then he would be like this is wrong and this is wrong. It would, it would never. It was almost like you know, at the end of doing all this work, it's not going to be everything that he wanted from the beginning. That he didn't tell you is now what you're going to do, and that was ultimately what was sort of the game that he played. He would be like you do it, are you going to make me tell you what to do? And then you would know sir, no, sir, I'm going to do it, I know exactly what to do. And then you do it. And then he would be like no, you failed, this is what I want you to do. And it was almost like why don't you just tell us what you want and we'll just do that other? When just checking every possible other thing that could be messed up in this book that was written 50 years ago by an old fuddy-duddy that was just like to blabber on endlessly.
Speaker 3:But not only that, mark. The next phase of every one of those things was he would grab someone else and say now, this person is going to do this no-transcript.
Speaker 2:He was one of the only property who had read all of the books, and it was like that.
Speaker 1:It was like that for anything. Whenever there was a thing like that. You'd see a new person show up and you're like what are you doing here? And like, oh, I'm in charge of getting the new, uh, the new course done like this. And you're like you're gonna do that. Like, yeah, david cob assigned me to do it. He'd be like oh, this is gonna end well, you're gonna be cleaning paint buckets for me in a few weeks.
Speaker 3:That's what's gonna happen and the number of people that were brought in from outside the base to do this sort of shit and ended up exactly the same as everybody else. You know, the Russ Bellins and the Debbie Cooks and like every Remember Rita for a while no no.
Speaker 3:Rita from Rita Schwartzgruber, all these people brought in to handle these projects because all of the incompetent sps are gold and int couldn't do it and they would last a week or two or maybe a month or maybe even two months and then same end up, the exact same as everybody else and then ultimately what would happen is miscavige would throw up his hands and say I gotta do it myself. Seven years later the books got done. Seven years like I was given a target of six weeks. Seven years later he got done. He has never completed ktl, the key to life course. He's never completed the briefing course. These are all projects that were done, what that went this route the the key to life, the briefing course, the class eight course the organization executive course the oec, yeah, the organization executive course, all of these things, that, oh my god, the l's, the tech volume, you know, you know the l's.
Speaker 3:Uh, I've heard Miscavige. He must have said it a hundred times the L's are completely and utterly out of tact.
Speaker 1:Ron Hubbard, the guy that wrote that, and if people are watching they don't know what we're talking about. There is a run, there's a series of it's three rundowns that you can do, only the only Can you do them at the free winds now no no, no, no no.
Speaker 1:Only at the Flagland Basin, the Flagland Base, a big building in Clearwater, you can, is the only place you can do it. It's called there's L, L10, l11, and L12. And I'm not even sure why they're called L, but that's just the name of them. List List Okay, so list 10, list, that's it.
Speaker 2:Super descriptive labeling there.
Speaker 1:They could have just said, list, that's like L1C Mark List 1C oh so this is list 10, list 10, 11, and 12.
Speaker 1:List 12. Okay, so you go in to get auditing and they ask you a bunch of questions and when you're done getting answering or getting asked these questions, you're done. Now they charge tens of thousands of dollars for Scientologists to do these. And this is a little Scientology hack. That doesn't matter where you are are on that bridge to total freedom, it doesn't matter how trained you are, it doesn't matter what counseling you've had. You can pretty much do these exact rundowns at any point, and it's encouraged that you do all three together. So it's you could. Let's just say, if you want to go to Florida and you got to pay for you, got to stay in their hotels, you have to eat in their restaurants, you're not allowed to spend any money outside of the base, and you could spend one hundred thousand dollars doing those three.
Speaker 3:Else, if you're a Scientology civilian, scientologist, In fact, I think, mark, each has a minimum that you have to buy a certain amount of hours on L's and it's not refundable. It's not like you can use it and if you buy 25 hours, the 25 hours is gone whether you use all 25 hours or not. It's not transferable to any other service and I think they're 40 grand a pop, I think, for the 25 hours. It's $40,000 for each one or something like that.
Speaker 1:You know, in that I think you get a five percent discount if you buy all three.
Speaker 2:And if you're a member of the IAS, anyway but the, but, the, the.
Speaker 1:So the end of the story is that those are the biggest money-making service that you can do at the Florida compound, at that Flag Land base. And now to rewind, there was a guy L Ron Hubbard had audit audit him and his name was David Mayo. And David Mayo is the one who sort of formulated these lists and did them on Hubbard and then wrote up what he did and how it worked and all that good stuff and what you would do, and that's what they're using till this day Now that guy?
Speaker 2:weren't those those called board technical bulletins? That, David, yeah?
Speaker 1:BTBs.
Speaker 2:Which there are none of, except if you're getting the L's.
Speaker 1:But also this guy, david Mayo, was in the 80s. In the mid 80s he was declared a suppressive person.
Speaker 3:Yes, he was declared a suppressive person. Yes, but but not before he had done exactly the same thing with the new era Dianetics for OTs, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He was brought to the internet. He was the senior CS of the flag service organization. He was brought to the base when L run Hubbard had a heart attack to audit him back to health. Supposedly because he was in such a bad way he was flown, rushed out to La Quinta and he audited Hubbard and Hubbard invented through that at that time quote knots by telling David Mayo ask me this, ask me that I mean. Quote knots by telling David Mayo ask me this, ask me that I mean the.
Speaker 1:Knots stands for New Era for OTs.
Speaker 3:New Era Dianetics for OTs. But for those who are not familiar with Scientology, the concept of the person receiving auditing, telling their auditor what they are supposed to do, is like it's so I don't even know how to describe it.
Speaker 1:It's like it's literally like, if you went to a psychiatrist and you said hey, listen, these are my problems and this is why I have those problems.
Speaker 2:Okay, now tell me that these are my problems and this is why I have those problems. Okay, now tell me that or it's like somebody uh, you know a civilian telling a police officer.
Speaker 3:Here's what, here's what law you need.
Speaker 2:I'm following. You need to arrest me on Right, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean it's, it's even beyond that, but in any event. So the same thing happened again, where David Mayo was the one who was doing this and why he had been brought there in the first place. I mean, there's so many stories about these.
Speaker 1:Anyway, David Mayo was declared a suppressive and he was kicked out of Scientology. But worse than, a suppressive. The issue goes on and on and on about him being a squirrel, isn't it like seven pages or something like that?
Speaker 3:No, about how he alterizes technology and he perverts the technology and he twists the technology and he does this and he does that and for the longest time all of the Knott's materials were all David Mayo materials Right Until Dave.
Speaker 1:Miscavige revised them, yeah, and they didn't go back. They didn't just say, oh, they got to go back to the way they were. No, he changed them another time so that they are David Miscavige's version. But the best part is that the L's have never, ever, been fixed to this day. They've never not been written by David Mayo and they are the biggest money-making income that Scientology gets through Scientology counseling or that sort of thing. Now, they just take, you know, they just get. They take money from old people or they from elderly, or they just, um, people donate, you know, $10 million and they don't do anything except for giving one of those bowling trophies at my cast, but, um, but yeah. So these are things and there, and there's lots of things that we we're just bringing up these things because it's kind of has something to do with what we're just bringing up these things, because it kind of has something to do with what we're talking about. But there's probably I would say there's at least another hundred projects which david miscavige ordered one of us to do in two weeks 20 years ago. That's still not done, and um, but um, and he there's.
Speaker 1:I wanted to say one last, and this is what I was thinking of earlier, when David Miscavige is taken to court, he doesn't have anything to do with anything. He's just overseas and he's the guy who's like the president of Scientology. He's just a figurehead and his job is really just to take care of Religious Technology Center. And every organization has its own head and they all do their thing and they're all doing their thing. David Miscavige is checking the carpet swatches. He's checking the film shots that are being shot each day. He there's piss mats under the urinals at the end base where you go pee and a little pee drips on the floor. He's the one who said we need to put some. We need to put some rubber mats under there and put some piss mats under there. So if you dribble a little, you don't see it on the tile. We're not barbarians here. You can dribble on the rubber. No one will know the difference. It's black. You're not going to see a dribble and that's the level of micromanaging that this cat's doing. And so when they say this oh, he's not here or he doesn't do that, you're like what this place and Aaron and Mitch were having a showdown the other day, that if the place would run if David Miscavige left, and I'm like there's no way it runs when he left, because he silos everything and he is the only decision maker that says yes or no or none of that.
Speaker 1:I have a whole other idea. But so back to this. Is event? If he hasn't been doing events, they haven't done it. When's the last time they did an? Is event? It's?
Speaker 3:been years, right 2019, I guess yeah, before the pandemic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so 2019,. I don't think you're allowed to say that word. By the way, you can call it scamdemic or you can call it anything else, but I don't think YouTube likes that word. Are you serious? Yeah, or don't say the C word either with the number after it. Yeah, no, I think that's pretty sure.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh Wow.
Speaker 1:I've seen it bleeped in other videos. I've seen it bleeped in other videos. That could just be overcautiousness on those creators' parts. Which C word Anyway?
Speaker 2:Great question, Mike. Good one.
Speaker 1:You know the one, don't make me say it. Anyway, mark, almost good one. You know the one don't make me say it. Um, anyway, mark almost walked right into that.
Speaker 1:So if they, if they so, 20, 20 21 22, so it's been three years, four, three, depending on how you count it. They haven't done one in. At least there's been three events that didn't happen and all the other events they do seven. Depending on how you count them up, they do seven to twelve of these events every year and the IAS event is just one of those and it's and Mike mentioned. They did it in France and I was at a. I actually put on one of the events that they did in Denmark, I think they used to have them in in a different European country and then sometimes in the United States and then I think, after the war is over, event which was a 1993 at the Los Angeles sports arena rest in peace sports arena that they tore it down. It's not there anymore, but the I think from 1993 on it was always at UK.
Speaker 3:No, there was some still on the free wins. Oh really.
Speaker 1:The event. Yes, that must have been after we left.
Speaker 3:There were a couple or maybe three, I don't know. I don't remember exactly, but there was a couple that ended up being at the free wins. I think that had more to do with the scuba diving than anything else.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say you can't go scuba diving in the UK in East Grinstead, Sussex.
Speaker 2:By the way, as long as we're talking about St Hill, obviously most people know that I grew up there, spent many years in the cadet organization there and let my family left England in 1988. Well, in 2007, was the first time I went back to England, and our oldest son was one and a half at the time. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because this was before the days when they had locked down St Hill and so we had a rental car and we drove all the way in and right up to the manor and we took a few pictures and anyway it was. It was crazy. And then we got, of course, you know, intercepted by a massive amount of security and CMO. They were losing their minds.
Speaker 3:Well, I can beat you on that one, Claire. Ok, yeah, go for it bristie and I went to the uk in 2010 for for the. Oh, we went there for the um john sweeney show.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say and there's all kinds of footage from pis following you around london and yeah there is, but, but there's better footage of when we went to saint hill Hill, because we were staying with Sam Domingo, yes, who was our good friend, and we were staying at her house and we went oh, let's go to St Hill. Christy's never seen it. So we drove to St Hill and I drove in and parked next to the castle I just parked on the side of the road there next to the castle and Sam and Christy got out and walked down to the manor and went around the back and got some Scientologists to take their photos in front of the manor.
Speaker 3:Like there they're posing, and some poor sucker Scientologists took their photos posing in front of the manor. That's amazing. Eventually, the legal der of Osa UK realized that it was me sitting in the car and came up and insisted that I leave. And I'm like, well, I can't leave just yet because Christy and Sam are down at the manor and they're getting a tour down there. So you know, oh my God, the security was like ah, big flap, big flap.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:I'll drive down to the turnaround and pick them up down there and wait for you guys to get back with them, while they appeared about two minutes later. But we have those photos somewhere. I should pull those out for our IAS event. Yes, amazing, we should pull out anything we can get for IAS.
Speaker 1:That'll be awesome about it being in England was the way it was explained to me by David Miscavige was that all of these other events that happen throughout the year they're all fundraising events, they're all money-making events that's. The only reason that they're held is either to sell something and take money or just take money period. And the reason that they have to do this one in the UK at least once every year is because they're not going to get a lot of these foreign Scientologists, these outside of the United States Scientologists that have money to all go to the free wins. So this event is sort of like it's the next level down from that free wins, that exclusive free wins event. This is the one right below that where you can all come if you're from the United States or you're from Europe. But they try to get all these heavy hitters, all these whales from all over Europe to come to that event so they can get millions and millions. And I remember back in the 90s they were doing $20, 30 million dollars at one event.
Speaker 3:They would get in donations and now I can't imagine what it is that event is the big, the big one for money making. They build people up forever because it's the only one now where you can potentially be handed your bowling trophy by mr miskovich himself on stage. Mickey witts, yeah, because you can potentially be handed your bowling trophy by Mr Miscavige himself On stage Mickey.
Speaker 1:Witts, yeah, because you can get that. At any of these other events they might give you an award, but David Miscavige is not going to stand there and take a picture with you, and I think I want to say they do the event thing, but after the event is over, there's a whole photo shoot that happens with the people and that there isn't aren't there photoshoots?
Speaker 3:the second event, the is event, occurs on friday night. That's the televised event.
Speaker 3:You're right on saturday night is the patrons ball, yes, and all of the heavy hitters get the tables down the front near dave's table. You know it's all like manipulated and organized and they come up on stage and they have little spots where they have to stand and to make sure the camera angles are right and that they look good. And you know they spend an inordinate amount of time through the months leading up to this event setting people up for that event to give them money at that event, because they love the IAS, loves to be able to tell Miscavige stuff. You made $25 million for the IAS tonight.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Even though they've spent months of legwork setting it up to get that money. You did this.
Speaker 3:And and you know you talk about all these events being money-making you know that there always had to be something to be sold at every event. Yeah, and the theory was that if there was a new book or a course or whatever being released, the release on that day had to recover the cost of the event and that it was successful if that happened and not successful if it didn't.
Speaker 1:It never happened yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, he would be told that it had happened well, yeah, we would sell we would sell.
Speaker 1:We would make 1500 sets of a course and then we'd sell those to the orgs and then the orgs would pay us and we'd say we sold out. And then those cassettes or cds or dvds or whatever it was would then sit in a storage room at the organizations for the rest of time.
Speaker 3:Sometimes we got wet or something, or there was a flood or whatever.
Speaker 1:And sometimes the next edition came. Yeah Well, I was just going to say sometimes we'd come out, we'd say, hey, we're coming out with a new edition, we need to know what your stock levels are on this thing and they're're like we still have the original amount you sent us five years ago when this came out the last time. If you come out with a new one, those are all going to be dead stocks and be like sucks to suck. You better sell them before the event oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:You remember how many, how many, how much effort was put into trying to sell out things that everybody knew were now going to be out of date. Right before the event, they would get poor people to buy all the outstanding, all the leftover copies that they had of the books, knowing that there were new ones coming out next week and that they would be forced to buy all of the new ones and throw away the ones they just bought well, they did that with the e-meter too, those e-meters that dave was like this e-meter is a piece of junk.
Speaker 1:We need to come out with this new mark 8 e-meter. That was in 1996 when he realized that the current e-meter that everyone had was a piece of junk. They did a little teeny little fix, like a little the weakest patch kind of fix they could do, and then they came out with the mark 7 quantum, which was still a giant piece of junk, and then it was a 2007 when the new meter came out.
Speaker 2:So the Mark Ultra, the Mark 8 Ultra.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's 2007. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was 2007. Something like that. It was in the late, it was right after I left, okay good, so yeah 2007, 2008. But they were selling all those crappy meters all that time and then, as soon as that new one came out, it was like, oh, you got to throw out those other ones.
Speaker 3:This EasyBake is what we're making all our brownies in the easy now. They were so bad remember mark that muscovich had the guts pulled out of all the mark sevens at flag and replaced with the mark eight movement. Yes, even though nobody knew at the fso, or anybody who was public had no clue that, that these meters were actually the mark eight meters being used at the service because they were so bad and you remember who got the first one.
Speaker 1:Do you remember who got the first fake mark? Eight no, tom cruise, tom cruise.
Speaker 1:We because I remembered I remembered that we had to make special ones in gold, because this is like in 2004, 2003, when Russ Bellin and all these guys from the Church of Spiritual Technology even though in golden era productions there's a division or department called the Hubbard Electro Manufacturing Department, it was being built by these guys at Church of Spiritual Technology and and Golden Era Productions had nothing to do with making that meter for the most part, but when they needed to retrofit one, well, they went to the gold guys and said, hey, we need to make this look like this, and they put all that stuff in there. And then that was given to Tom. And then, after he gave it to Tom, he was like you know, who could really use these is the guys in Florida at flag, and so then we ended up making a whole bunch of them, but but that was an afterthought after he got Tom his Jesus, I actually didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Yep, yeah Cruz, tom Cruise got the first one, he of a person who wasn't in the sea organization. Tom Cruise was the only just regular, public, civilian Scientologist to have a Mark VIII. You know whatever it was four or five years before they came out. I'm sure it helped him a great deal.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sure he probably got rid of way more BTs and clusters than anybody else ever in the history of the universe. He has got the highest production of eradicating and removing BTs and clusters of anybody ever.
Speaker 1:You know, mike, we were doing a video the other day, I don't remember, oh, it was with Amy and Matt, and I have a new thing which I think it could catch on. I don't know, I'm not going to force it on anybody, but instead of getting rid of the BTs cause supposedly you could have 10, 30, 40,000 of these body things attached to you instead of getting rid of them, why not kind of harness them for your own purposes and use them, so like, when something happens, you just go bts activate and then they go? You know, you're just like that's, you know talking about like hey, I need the power ranges or something wonder twins wonder twins, wonder twins, activate.
Speaker 1:That's what you do. You go bts, activate and then all of a sudden you know you have now, you plus 10,000 alien souls. I mean that's.
Speaker 2:I don't know With who knows what varying skill sets I mean, you know, tap into that.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying they're so good at doing all these things. They've lived millions of years. They're from 75 trillion years. They're from another galaxy. They, they're from another galaxy. They could have tech that we don't even know about and we're basically just evicting them. They've got nowhere to go.
Speaker 2:Are they just?
Speaker 1:jumping on somebody else. That's irresponsible.
Speaker 2:You know, I have to say, at one point I was like, oh, no wonder there's overpopulation because people are releasing their BTs and then they're going and picking up new bodies when I was in, of course these guys have got it all wrong Doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3:Well, mine used to jump on Dave.
Speaker 2:Oh I remember him saying that they used to jump on him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why the copper wire got installed.
Speaker 1:So they couldn't get in.
Speaker 3:They couldn't get on him, so that they would drain out of me into the dirt instead of jumping onto Dave.
Speaker 1:Unbelievable. I knew about the copper rods thing, but I never understood the connection. So these were literally just like rando BTs that were jumping off of you and going onto Dave. Yeah, what, he got a cold or something. Why did he think they?
Speaker 2:were getting on him. Somebody needs to make BT off spray.
Speaker 1:BT off.
Speaker 3:Yeah, BT off. You know I needed some BT ons. I'm writing that down right now Xenu industries could look into this To keep them on so that they wouldn't interrelate an upset day.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask Lord. Zinu about this, because he's my homeboy. I'm going to ask him if we can get some Zinu off.
Speaker 2:Well, while you, make your notes honey. So people are asking what date the fundraiser is. Of course we'll check with all participating parties, but I'm just going to go out on a limb and suggest that we tentatively plan on Sunday, november 5th, which happens to also be Guy Fawkes Day.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know that that is a big poll for people. She's clear. Yeah, get your anonymous mask out. Folks, we got.
Speaker 2:Guy Fawkes Day coming up. Thanks for the great idea, great input. I was thinking we could do it.
Speaker 1:Guy Fawkes Day, I was thinking, babe, we got to do it on the day that the event is going to happen because that's how we're going to get the viewers See the fundraising event is actually Saturday the 4th, that's the.
Speaker 3:IAS Patrons Ball Perfect, then that's when we do it. I think that we should do it on Saturday, the 4th.
Speaker 2:Everyone in the chat who's from England is with me. But that's okay, We'll go with.
Speaker 3:November 4th. I haven't seen one person that's big in the UK.
Speaker 2:Apostate Alex came to my rescue.
Speaker 1:Well, Rain Virus says it's big in the UK. I know it's big in the UK, but I hate to break it to you UK folks. We're not in the UK.
Speaker 2:We're not in the UK.
Speaker 1:But also you make up about 3% of our viewership. When we look at the analytics, it is the next biggest viewership outside the United States, but it's not that much. But we're here and we're doing it. We want you to see it, but I don't know that we're going to rally a holiday around one of your holidays. We wanted to do it on the same day so that people think, oh, this is the patron's ball or this is whatever, and we'll be covering what's happening, but it'll be the SPTV coverage, not the internal Scientology.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we could even do it at the same time that it's airing in the UK. Oh, okay, because they have the event like either 7 or 8.
Speaker 1:So we could do it at 2 or three in the afternoon.
Speaker 2:That's perfect, brilliant perfect.
Speaker 3:I think the uk is only four hours, or did they change their daylight saving well?
Speaker 1:no, you're. You're closer to them than we are, so it's different for each of us, but either way, like the life we did with andrew last weekend he was seven hours ahead.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh seven, yeah, it's so that's five from me. Okay, perfect, okay, so whatever, tentatively that's when we'll do it, guys.
Speaker 1:Whoever was asking, then we'll do that. I just want to put this up from Amy real quick because she's piping in on one of these clusters. He said us executives were all one big BT cluster. Yes, wow.
Speaker 3:How does that work?
Speaker 1:Many times I think that doesn't work, though, right, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I don't understand how You're not like really at the level. Well, I haven't read Dianetics even so I mean what the hell? You know, Claire and I could go into a bit more of a detailed description of this. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yep, well, you guys figure that out. I'm gonna figure out how to harness the power of bts okay, I'm gonna okay telling I've got a question.
Speaker 3:We've been there for an hour and a half. We haven't even read a comment other than that one, or a question or anything. Are we gonna do any of those or?
Speaker 2:yeah, let's, let's, let's, no, let's do q a, and then we can wrap it up for tonight, yeah and first of all, I'm putting this one up because it's special, I tagged it.
Speaker 1:Congratulations on the Magpies grand final win. Ten lead changes equal second most. Yes, also, is it not going to be an instant classic grand final?
Speaker 3:It was. It was an absolute classic, unbelievable.
Speaker 1:It was great. Thank you, Tassie. That is very appropriate.
Speaker 3:Wouldn't have been so great if we didn't win, but it was great, yes, it was still great.
Speaker 1:Annabelle says thanks for saving me from Bear Attack vid's love. Okay, all right, you're welcome. Oh, I'm not sure what that is, but I did watch a Bear Attack video yesterday myself. So I'm not sure what that is, but I did watch a bear attack video yesterday myself, so I'm not sure. Uh, if that's going around. Um sai says so lovely to see the three of you together and mike is looking so much better now we need ies shirts. Yeah, get on that, claire. We got to get that merch ready for the fundraiser. I'm not sure what that's going to be, but we'll figure something out. Thank you very much si, you're very generous. Um, caroline, we're rastika, we're rastika question what are the?
Speaker 1:whales, so we did answer that that is the uh high rollers in scientology. Thank you, carolyn um. Alana um. Thank you, Carolyn. Alana Eshpeter been lurking for years. Great to see you three still bringing attention to the shady actions of the COS. Read your books and waiting. Read your books and waiting for yours, Claire. There you go, More pressure on Claire to get her book done. One of these years.
Speaker 2:I'm aiming for March 13th, Elron Hubbard's birthday. Wish me luck.
Speaker 1:See, now we're just going to time everything to their events and it's just going to. Really, I got to tell you this right now before we bring up the next comment. There is so much SPTV content. I was trying to figure out logistically how they can watch it all and and and summarize and report up. I haven't figured it out yet. It's just, it's too much they must. I know that they have an uh like a transcription software that they paid millions and millions of dollars for that's at this new SPTV place so they can translate and they can do all kinds of stuff with it. They have to be feeding it into that. But I think somebody still has to read it, somebody still has to go through and clean it up and pick out the pieces that are relevant. And who got that info to us and figure out who they got to track down these leaks. And at this point it literally is just niagara falls of leaks.
Speaker 1:There's no way absolutely trace da ace super sticker.
Speaker 2:Thank you trace Trace De Ace Super sticker.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Trace De Ace. Trace De Ace, I like that. Angelina, Hi, Mike, Claire and Mark. Hello Angelina. Do the big donors know they are called whales? Love you all from Mexico. I don't think that's something you say. I suspect they do. Yeah, I don't think that's something you say in front of them.
Speaker 3:I suspect they're proud of it, Maybe. Yep, they're like. They love to be categorized in the whales category. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I guess so they're the big donors.
Speaker 3:They're the big supporters, they're the Yep.
Speaker 1:You're right, probably they do. Well, they 100% the people that can give millions of dollars. They play a little game with these people dollars. They play a little game with these people and they they'll, you know they'll work it as long as they can work it until they have to give it over. But, um, but they know that everybody involved in these transactions knows their part in the transaction. Um Rorschach. 2, 1, 1, 2.
Speaker 1:The more I learn about Scientology, the weirder it gets. Fascinating, subject, batshit, crazy, but fascinating, Love you guys. Yes, and you know that's the reason why it's funny. At first I was trying to. We got to tell this, we got to tell that we don't, we just tell everything as we can tell it. There is enough crazy that if Scientologists quit and Left, we could still talk about it for a few years and not run out of stories. So we're just right now. Scientology is spending millions and millions of dollars promoting our channels on YouTube. Ads we're getting are I'm getting Dr Berg ads, I'm getting Scientology ads. I'm getting ads on my channel that Scientology are paying for. So I don't know what to tell you. Scientology is kind of feeding this beast which is SPTV.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Stephanie Stewart. Thank you for that, stephanie. That's very generous. Captain Chucklesworth arrived. Please thank the Headley Packing Company for doing such a nice job shoving his ass in a box. Yeah, you know we had, stephanie. It's so funny that you mentioned that. Thank you very much for the super chat. I told I mean full disclosure Claire, myself and my three boys we're the ones that pack all these little Captain Chucklesworth or Dirty Davey Dollar, whatever you end up calling it. Little Captain Chucklesworth or Dirty Davy Dollar, whatever you end up calling it. We're packing them up. And the other day I said hey guys, I know we're not. I said to be rough and just shove them in the box and all that, but you can't leave his legs sticking out of the box.
Speaker 2:You got to poke. It was like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Speaker 1:There were little toesies sticking out.
Speaker 2:I was like you got to poke all his parts into the box, Otherwise he could lose a part on the way to wherever he's going.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Our kids definitely have our supreme packaging genes.
Speaker 1:That is for sure. They're good.
Speaker 2:They are so good.
Speaker 1:Lafenda Grocklinga says what happens to the money the orgs make in countries where COS doesn't have tax exempt status. It's amazing how much we never ends can learn here. Yeah, now, this is a very interesting thing, mike. You should kind of explain this, because this is, and also this big thing that just happened in the UK is a big deal in regards to that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is a big deal, but understand that this is a creative accounting 101, as created by L Ron Hubbard, that all Scientology organizations don't make any money. They all lose money on their book because they get sent these huge bills from Church of Scientology International, from Golden Era Productions, from all of these other things Does RTC? Pay them. No, the only people that pay RTC are the advanced dogs. Oh, the advanced dogs. They pay a licensing agreement for the advanced dog technology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, it's a percentage of the value of service delivered for advanced levels.
Speaker 3:So all the other organizations around the world lose money on their books so they don't pay any taxes. It's not really significant whether they are or are not tax-exempt when it comes to the money. What is significant about the tax exemption is the PR value and the protection that it affords of being able to say you're a religious, a bona fide religious organization. So Scientology has it all very well worked out how those organizations that are in countries that do not have tax exemption don't pay any taxes anyway because they owe huge amounts of money and they make a loss every year.
Speaker 2:I get it Didn't that even include rent on the Ideal Org buildings?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where there is an Ideal Org building that the local parishioners have paid for with their donations, that is owned by one of the international entities like the Church of Scientology Properties International.
Speaker 3:The CSRT, the Church of Scientology Religious Trust, or one of the other organizations, the Building Management Services Organization. I mean, they've got dozens of these things. They charge them rent and they don't pay the rent because they don't have the money to pay the rent. But that goes in as a bill, so the balance sheet shows they don't have any money.
Speaker 1:Right. Even though their local people, in most cases, were the ones that bought the building and paid for the renovations, they still don't get that. None of that stays with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is definitely. Crazy, crazy it is a web of nonsense.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Matt Elliott, m-a-a-s-o-s-p-t-v says Mike are you? Still in touch with Taylor Hawley.
Speaker 3:I haven't been in touch with her. I mean, if I needed to, I could. If you need something, let me know. She is the person that wrote the treatise about Scientology being in violation of the IRS code.
Speaker 2:She was a law student. I remember that episode. It's brilliant, she is. She was amazing, brilliant thing. Yes, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Nice, we should get her on. You could do an interview. Oh, you already did a fair game episode with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, buckled up buttercup question. Do the whales know they are called whales? We answered that. Sorry, I didn't see that. That was that. Oh, wow, look at that, tracy, not tuggy. Hi, mark, I was in the Woody Guthrie center today. I thought about you. Wow, okay, thank you, tracy. Thank you, tracy. Slappy White Claire is looking radiant tonight.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that Slappy. Thank you, slappy White. Very true I appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 1:Obie O'Brien award for fastest and Mark is looking thin, by the way.
Speaker 3:Well, thank you for that. Mark is looking thin and healthy.
Speaker 2:And so are you, mike. I gotta say, yay, I'm looking fat, I'm looking fat. No, you're not. Oh my gosh, Not compared to that thumbnail picture.
Speaker 1:You look great compared to the thumbnail and that was you at your best at that time.
Speaker 2:So you're looking mighty fine. Cheers to Radiant SPTV hosts. There you go.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what you want to know, what my secret is. I harnessed five BTs last week and I have them working out for me Skinny BTs. No no, they just work out.
Speaker 3:You harnessed ones that like to lose weight.
Speaker 1:I harnessed all those keto BTs and it's helping me out. Obi O'Brien says award for fastest growing SPTV channel. Award for most channels promoted. Award for most viewers in a live awesome, yeah, we're definitely going to have to figure out all these awards. Oh, I just thought of so many ideas. Thank you, obi O'Brien yes, thank you.
Speaker 2:It's going to be so much fun.
Speaker 1:Mark your calendars well, do we have to? Yeah? We have to start the IAS one. We'll have to figure something out then that I think it should be donor based, but I'm not exactly sure how we do that and then maybe on March 13th when we have the birthday game that's when we have the SPTV Birthday Game Awards.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh. You know, what would be so funny is if we can get Kelly Copter to do an intro, but instead of horses and flags. It's like donkeys but instead of horses and flags it's like donkeys.
Speaker 1:Well, that's not too far off from the other idea that I had, but we will do. Join us now as we bring you live. We're going to do the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Mark's going to play Jeff Pomerantz. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Join us now. Donna Rose says Aftermath Christmas ornament. Not a bad idea, you know unfortunately. Well, there's one coming up An Aftermath Christmas ornament.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you could Effectively a Christmas ornament. You could put a loop on him and make him an ornament.
Speaker 1:No, no, he's got Velcro hands. You could just wrap him around a tree branch on the tree.
Speaker 2:No, he, he's got Velcro hands, you can just wrap them around a tree branch on the tree? No, he doesn't. Yes, he does what?
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? Yeah, he does 100% look.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, all right, I stand, corrected you scared me for a second.
Speaker 1:I got descriptions with Velcro in them.
Speaker 3:Okay, so can people buy those things now. Starting tomorrow, tomorrow, they're going to go. That's what I thought. I thought it was tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is tomorrow, but we sent out an advanced pre-sale link which I've learned today is now no longer working. So if anyone still wanted to use a pre-sale link, just shoot me an email and I'll send you a new link.
Speaker 3:What's the point of a pre-sale link if the link is going to be the normal link tomorrow?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, that's the thing. No, no, it's just advanced because you pay extra for the presale link right nope, no, no, it's the same price it's just that we're pretty sure we're going to sell out well, we don't know, but it's definitely.
Speaker 1:It's looking pretty. Um, it looks like there's not going to be a lot. Um, I'm just now that we're just on the subject. I've just got a little thing I wanted to put up here for a second. Oh, there was an issue with your file. Okay, whatever, then I won't, I'll do it later. Terry Hodgkin, your book arrived today, mike. Now I have yours and Mark's books autographed, waiting to get Claire's next. I'm in awe of all that you've done with the Aftermath Foundation and your videos. Thank you very much, terry.
Speaker 3:Thanks, Terry. I'm glad you got the book. I've been sending them out like crazy. You have A lot of the signed ones. Well, yeah, because I didn't do it for a while and then a bunch of people asked, and then so I put it back on my blog and said you know, you can get an autographed copy again. And now I'm like going back and forth to the post office all day, every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just do one run in the morning. That's how I do it. Well, so do.
Speaker 3:I actually, but I it sounded better to say it doesn't sound like, it just sounds like you're driving around Florida with boxes. I don't have a team of minions that do my true packing, so I have to do all myself oh boy yep, well, actually christy prints the label.
Speaker 1:So okay, here is the. Here's a sneak preview, guys. I don't know if you'll be able to see this, but, um, I can see if we can. Oh, I just killed us. Um, it's all good, we'll put it back the way I had it. If I could figure that out there you go, oh I lost Mike, I give up.
Speaker 2:It's okay, you don't need to see me. There you go, there you go Okay.
Speaker 1:So we've got Elrond's. This is what happened, guys. You know these things and I thought a lot of them were really good and some of them are silly and some of them are just plain stupid, but I like that everybody gets included. So we kept almost all the names that had sort of some sense of concession. Is this just one page or is there more pages? There's more pages, but I'm just going to show this one. We have Elrond's Lepprechaun um, damn it. Davy doll, puppet boy. Davy captain. Davy chucklesworth, captain kiebler, captain space davy captain poopy pants. Dave dinky, dirty, stinky troll. Dave the fart elf and davy the, the whole troll. And then there's a whole nother page of a bunch of other ones, but those are the things that you guys are going to get to buy, um and I call mine fake Navy Davey because I think that's the best one and there is fake Navy Davey is on there as well.
Speaker 1:So, um, we have fake Navy Davey and there's another one, space Navy Davey or something else. Anyway, uh, but I want to what I want to have you guys do if you do end up getting one, or if you don't even get one, I at least want you to go to the SP shop and read the descriptions and give me your feedback on the descriptions. I did spend a lot of time putting those together and some of them. I mean, if you don't laugh out loud, you're definitely going to laugh to yourself. You're going to laugh in your head, okay? Oh, yes, your mind's eye is going to be looking at some laughing, okay.
Speaker 2:If you're feeling down, just go to the spshopcom and read some descriptions, you'll get some chuckles.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, how do you say this doctor? Is it Juan Le, juan Le? That's what I'd say. Okay, juan Le, juan Le. Thank you you very much. This person has been so generous. Yeah, she has donated um. She's done a ton of uh, if not super chats, just donations by. I think she bought um those little dolls that we could do a giveaway with um the captain chuckles.
Speaker 2:She purchased five paperback books which we gave away, and she has an amazing survivor story herself. So yeah, just an amazing person.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that. She says love work all SPTV and Aftermath Foundation do, making my lab students listen to you and SPTV six hours telling them to subscribe. Wow, m&m. Listening to your books as I go. Keep having Mission Impossible style escape dreams. Blessing to your health, mike.
Speaker 3:Amazing. Thank you so much, thank you very much.
Speaker 1:You're very generous. Thank you very much for that. Yeah, oh my goodness, we had somebody on here the other night that said they made their was. It wasn't their students, it was something else. They made every oh their co-workers. They made their. They had 30 co-workers. They made subscribe to SPTV.
Speaker 2:Yes. I was like and another person another person said that they got their entire dentist office watching SPTV. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know if we said this, but we were in an airport, Mike and somebody came up to us in Denver Airport and they were getting off a flight and we were getting on a flight and we were just, you know, you know, you know, when I'm in airport mode we're like it's on a mission. We got to get the whole family to this plane and through security. Anyway, this guy stopped and he was just like, oh um, I just I'm sorry to bother you, I just wanted to say go sp tv. And I was like what?
Speaker 1:the same happened at the airport airport oh that's right at tampa. It happened as well.
Speaker 3:I forgot about that it happened to me in the supermarket like three days ago.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
Speaker 3:And at Homies five days ago Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sptv, sptv Nation. Yeah, okay, we're going to talk about you, kay. I'll know you're going to get an apostate Alex in here. If I hit 10K, youtube will let me do a fundraiser. Help me get there and I'll live stream the protest outside the IAS event. For the aftermath oh yeah, sorry, I forgot about that. I heard there's going to be a protest at the St Hill during the event.
Speaker 3:Oh my, God, it would be so cool if we can show little clips of that. Yes, happening live.
Speaker 2:During our live fundraiser.
Speaker 1:This is turning into a big thing.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going live to the scene. Apostate Alex, what's happening down there? Our correspondent is on the scene here.
Speaker 2:What's going on down there?
Speaker 1:Has Davey been sighted? Has anybody seen little Davey?
Speaker 2:And now we'll tune in to our correspondent at what's the name of the airport, mike Farnborough.
Speaker 3:Farnborough, farnborough.
Speaker 1:Any sightings at Farnborough no.
Speaker 2:Any private jets arrived? Nope, all right, we'll come back to you in a minute. Back to St Hill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that would be so amazing. We might have to upgrade our StreamYard subscription to pull that off. I actually you know who could do. It is Aaron, because he might have like the King Daddy set up over there. Yeah, we'll have a strategy session where you're going with this. Uh, laura font says mike, it's been said you have the most complete collection of cos books. Were you able to go back and get your belongings after you left, or were you gifted books? Please tell me you didn't pay for that shit again I didn't.
Speaker 3:I didn't pay a penny for any of it and, no, I wasn't able to go back and get my stuff. And if I'd gone back to get my stuff they wouldn't have given me any of the scientology stuff anyway. So no, I every, everyone, every book, all the oec vols, the tech vols, like realize that people had like more than one copy, many people because they'd been, you know, beaten into buying copies of these books and materials and they had them sitting in their garage. I mean, I had all the congress. I threw most of those that shit away because I didn't have time to ever listen to it or go through it or try and find anything in there and there's no index. So they're pretty useless to me. But I, I have the tech balls over there and the oec and, you know, the um. Oh, there was another project that never got completed the blue volumes, the r&d series.
Speaker 1:You know, there's a guy. There's a guy that was on aaron's channel um last week. I can't he. I think he's from Edmonton, he's from Canada somewhere.
Speaker 2:It's PTS for Life.
Speaker 1:PTS for Life is the name of his channel.
Speaker 2:I think he's here in the chat.
Speaker 1:Oh, amazing. Anyway, he has a complete set of the LRH ED packs. Do you have those? So do I.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know you had those.
Speaker 1:I thought it was like a big find. I thought it was like Mark was ready.
Speaker 2:Oh, look at you.
Speaker 1:Look at you Wow.
Speaker 3:I've got those. I've got the Introduction to Scientology. Ethics Specialist.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I did that.
Speaker 3:I've got an earlier edition of the Hubbard Ethics Specialist course.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 3:This is my special course, the PTSSP course, and I mean I've got lots of stuff nice, uh.
Speaker 1:Well then I will tell you of course. Well, I'll tell him that I no longer need his then. I didn't know that you had a full set already. Um, your set actually is a better set than the ones he has, those old kind of um spiral binder. Um, oh, I know, yeah. Yeah, that was the previous version before the one you had. Yeah, um, uh, here. Oh, amy scobie's in the house, hey, amy, hey, amy, mike was always in the hot seat, he was yes, he was I cannot.
Speaker 1:For the whole 15 years I was there. Um, yeah, I'm going to say you were in the hot. For the whole 15 years I was there. Yeah, I'm going to say you were in the haunt seat the whole time. The only time I didn't think you were as in the haunt seat was when I was in Los Angeles, when you would come down to the L Ron Hubbard Life exhibition that was in the Hollywood Tea Building. You seemed to kind of be like chill while you were down there because you didn't have Dave breathing down your throat.
Speaker 3:Well, that was also when I was the LRH Post Bureau Int. I wasn't in OSA world, oh so you were the PR guy. Yeah, he was the L Ron Hubbard's public relations officer that was what your job was.
Speaker 1:Dead Ron's public relations officer, that's right, you were the PR guy for a dead guy I mean that's got to be easier than OSA.
Speaker 3:It was a high-paying job. It was a very high-paying job.
Speaker 1:Did you make $46 a week on that job too? I?
Speaker 3:did, sir yes.
Speaker 2:But at one point Mike was actually going to be Dave's project operator Were you. Mike, yeah, you were going to be in his personal office just getting his orders done.
Speaker 3:Well, I was always on the hot seat, but then, on the other hand, you know, in between the hot seat moments, I was also like one of the heroes, Like you know. You know, Mark, at one point he sent me back to RTC from Clearwater and I was running RTC. I remember that and I wasn't even in RTC. That's when I was still there.
Speaker 1:That's when you and Claire crashed on the motorcycle. That's exactly right. Yeah, you were driving. Were you driving a car?
Speaker 2:and she was driving a car. She was driving a car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, were you both driving cars, though.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:Yes yeah, were you both driving cars though? Yes, yes, and I just fell off my motorcycle. That was a separate incident.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right that was a separate thing, but I remember market.
Speaker 2:Mike and I have um several different crash related memories together but I remember I was like this guy was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were both these were yeah, exactly, you got to harness those things. I'm telling you we're onto something.
Speaker 2:No, no, it was associated with lack of sleep. The car crash was at four o'clock in the morning, it was raining and Mike was heading down to the hole and, at the last minute, change his mind and decided to turn and oops, there was I crashed intoashed into my. That was one. And guess what, guess what?
Speaker 1:I just got to bring it up. No reports were written and no one was off the road after that.
Speaker 1:No, Mike didn't stop driving Claire didn't stop driving I couldn't afford to stop driving. Yeah, I know, but that was one of the things you had to follow the rules until you didn't, and then it was just free for all anyway. But yeah, when I came back I was when you came back and you were doing that I was like we were in a meeting with this guy months ago and Dave said that he was the biggest SP on his lines of any SPs, including the SPs that were in the outside world attacking Scientology, and now he's running RTC for Dave. I was just like my mom, I can't keep up with. Uh, you know, like sometimes you'd see somebody and you'd you'd treat them like yes sir, no sir, and they'd be like you don't have to do that, and you'd be like why is?
Speaker 2:that and you're like.
Speaker 1:I'm the deputy deputy D weeder now and you're like what, you're pulling weeds? And you're like yeah, and you're like well, then, fuck off, then Go back to do what I was doing.
Speaker 2:I'm like, wow, I didn't even know that post existed. Yeah, no, it was created for me.
Speaker 3:That's what they say. It was created for me. I'm junior to the junior of Spike Bush.
Speaker 2:Yep, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I don't know. Okay, oh, I get it. Lathanda grockling again. Thank you, lathanda. Um, reese just said on that's relatable reese. Uh, you can go to her channel if you want to subscribe to reese. Reese just said on aaron's live a few hours ago that her mother-in-law told her that her mother-in-law and father-in-law paid 100k each for the l's flights rooms.
Speaker 2:Food was extra there you go, I'm telling you guys that's a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, to do these things that were written by the biggest sp before mike showed up.
Speaker 3:Um, it's unbelievable, david well, actually it was actually before, before Marty showed up, and then Mike, that's true, but Marty's now not an SP anymore, you know, that's really funny because-.
Speaker 2:He's a real SP.
Speaker 1:The whole time we were there.
Speaker 1:Dave always tells these stories, like Mayo stories or Jeff Walker stories or Gio stories, or when he took over, when he busted a mission yeah, he has all these stories and they're always about the people that are no longer there to defend themselves or tell their version of the story. And then when you get out and you talk to some of these people like that never happened, I have no idea what you're talking about. You're like oh, dave has, literally, he even plays make-believe in his own head, like not, he doesn't just push it out to everybody else, mike brown, thank you, mike brown. Hey, mike, thanks for the dribble matt. Visual mark, absolutely. And you know who fixed those mats. Axel. Anybody shout out to axel. I know you're still in, but you got out of the seahorse. You and your wife were in a depends commercial. I mean, you're doing what you're doing. You have kids now, you're welcome in. But you got out of the Sea Org. You and your wife were in a Depends commercial. I mean, you're doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2:You have kids now, you're welcome.
Speaker 1:But Axel was the one who got those dribble mats put in by order. Axel, this kid named Axel. He was the—in the Sea Org. They have really stupid names for things. He was the cleaner in the galley called him the um massacre canyon inn. So mci sanitation engineer.
Speaker 2:He was a sanitation engineer oh my god, I totally forgot.
Speaker 1:And he was the one who got. He was, I think he was actually in the bathroom cleaning the back. He was mopping the floor or something and dave came in and he was mopping under the urinals and dave said hey, what are you doing? He's like I gotta mop these things. He goes all these, these bare barbarians are peeing on the floor. He goes yeah, and you gotta clean it, otherwise you see it on the floor and he goes you know, you could put a rubber mat there and then the pee would. You wouldn't even see it.
Speaker 1:And so when he said that to that kid, you could put a rubber mat there and then you wouldn't see the P, then that was an order to him and somebody would have come down If Dave um didn't say this is. Dave doesn't say this is an order, you have to do this. He leaves, and then somebody comes down from his office and you have an order now from David Miscavige to get P mats for under the urinals. And then all these people start showing up out of the woodwork and like, uh, where are we getting the mats? How are you going to pay for the mats? Let's get a PO approved. I mean, it's a whole team that is like the piss mat project right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just as a comment, there's nothing that makes a men's bathroom smell better than hidden pee under mats. I mean wow.
Speaker 3:Do you want to bet? He had to get the mats approved yes, no, I know he did.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, no I remember he sent up a compliance report saying what was ordered, what was done and evidence, and he had to take pictures of the mats. I mean, I went in there, I peed all over him and uh, and we didn't see it. So it was like it's, it's a pass, dude, it's gonna work. Denise brown says ten uh, clip that. Kate didn't clip that. Um, denise brown, old fuddy duddy who just liked to blabber on, I can't stop if that's not closer to the truth than any other uh biographer.
Speaker 1:Authorship of elrond hubbard yeah, elr, l Ron Hubbard, an old foady. We got to put that in the intro video. This event celebrates L Ron Hubbard, an old fuddy-duddy who loved to dribble-drabble on. Okay, thank you for that, denise, and then we can have a sentence of him dribble-drabbling on, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:There you go, folks, hey hat.
Speaker 1:Some people like to talk to hats. Hey there, hat, that's a good one. We should definitely play that one. People who know know L Ron Hubbard was dropping the few N words when he did that one. Oh, by the way, I do have to make a correction. This is another clip, caden. Sorry, I put that up. Shoot, I got mind wiped by Apostate Alex.
Speaker 1:They have motion sensors and cameras with facial recognition all over St Hill now. I flagged up when I visited a few weeks back with a drone. Wow, that's amazing. So you know, I've seen this technology firsthand. I think I might have even told Mike about this. But they have cameras now that you can plug in to the Internet, have cameras now that you can plug in to the internet and once your face and the whole kind of facial recognition system, if you and the the one.
Speaker 1:The demonstration that I saw was for a grocery store and the camera is in the aisle and there's like um, where the price tags are are video screens or or coupons or video banners, and when the camera sees you, it judges everything, knows your demographic, where you live, it figures everything out based on your facial recognition and then it put.
Speaker 1:It puts ads up for stuff that you're going to eat. And the guy said, try it and you will be freaked out. And so I walked down the aisle and then he goes, okay, and he went over. We went over to computer screen. It literally had my shopping list on the screen of what things that I buy, like right now, things that I buy, and I was like that's scary. So they probably just have all of the rogues gallery. They have a picture of every sp in the world and in binders and all organizations have these binders so that if mike or mark or claire or apostate alex shows up at an org, they can look through their binder and see, oh, that guy, yeah, we know that's this guy. But if they're doing it with cameras, now that's crazy. That's a lot of money. That's what they're spending your money on, that, well, that's because Dave wants to be able to go there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, Look at that Bonanza.
Speaker 2:Sue B $299.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much for that, sue B. All this is blowing my mind, learning so much. Thank you, sue B.
Speaker 3:That's what we're here for Fascinating, incredibly valuable snippets of information.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean to be fair. A lot of people they see like this Nixxiom, or they hear about this other cult, and there's like a hundred people, there's 26 people, and they're doing this. We're talking about probably 25,000 people that are involved in all this right now, today, that they don't know any of this stuff. They think that David Miscavige is driving them off into the sunset on the and they're going to. There's millions and millions of Scientologists over the world and there's like 25,000 and they're. I mean, he's been, he's been driving them along the rocks for the last 20 years. I don't know how they haven't sunk yet. Eat more pizza now. I listened to both Mike's and Mark's books on a recent road trip. I was amazed at what ill Davey had done to each of you, Lil.
Speaker 3:Lil Lil Davey.
Speaker 1:Lil what Lil Davey had done to each of you Very touching. I understand why it must be tough for others to write their own stories. Yeah, it is. It's not a I mean, it's not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 2:No, it is not.
Speaker 1:And I do want to say sometimes people bring this up that we're very jokey and we're very, you know, we're flippant about some of these things. If you were there for the amount of years we were there, we already went through the ringer, we've already and, and, and, and. If we retold the stories and we didn't laugh about them, the only other emotion is to cry, so or to be very, very angry and to break things. So, which I my method is to try to, you know, try to make it a little light tell the stories. The people that are watching, that are in Scientology, that are watching this videos, they 100% know that what we're saying is true, because we're using all the lingo and we know all the players and the people and we were there and we were there, so they know this is legit there. There's no way a Scientologist could watch one of our videos and say, oh, those guys are lying. It's impossible. They know Well, they say it Well, but they know that we're telling the truth.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:LJ. Are the meters approved by any regulatory agency CE Mark in Europe or FDA, us or UL rating? I don't know about this new one, but I doubt it. It's a religious artifact, so it's sort of like you know, exempted. Yeah, it's like I'm. I'm not, I don't know what to compare it to, but it's not. It's not even a real. To be honest, it's a inside of that super high-tech thing that they sell for $5,000.
Speaker 2:The Easy Bake Oven.
Speaker 1:No, no, it's a $40 circuit board. I mean, I want to say it's not even bigger than a playing card. That's about how small it is, it's about as big as a playing card, and not even the circuit board is $40. The whole cost of the entire thing is $40. And they're selling it for $5,000. So yeah, it's a joke. Peace Dog super sticker. Thank you, peace Dog. We appreciate that. La Fonda, again BTs assemble, bts activate, bts activate. Well, it could be BTs assemble and then BTs assemble, bt's activate, bt's activate. Well, it could be BT's assemble and then BT's activate.
Speaker 2:BT's all hands.
Speaker 1:All hands when you think about that. I'm telling you guys I'm going to start a trend of BT armies. Salty Beach Girl Lori, so happy to see everyone, so happy. Been catching up on old videos and every one of you made me cry this week. Love, love, love you all.
Speaker 2:Thank you for that I didn't mean to make you cry, but I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 1:It's it is what it is it's sad shit, adorably anarchy, adorable anarchy question how did tom cruise ever read dianetics when he had dyslexia?
Speaker 3:that's a very well, he got the same out of it that everybody else did, yeah rambling fuddy duddy nonsense. If the letters and words are jumbled up, it doesn't really make that much difference.
Speaker 1:You know there is a video called the Dianetics How-To Video and you can watch that in a half an hour and you can do Dianetics without even reading the Dianetics book. You just have to follow the video. The video has taken the key parts of that book and made it so you can follow it and you don't have to read whatever it is 300 pages of fuddy-duddy nonsense that that is the only book that appear, or the only hubbard book that appears on the amazon bestseller list ever you're right.
Speaker 1:You're right Usually your book is outranking it every single week.
Speaker 3:I'm going to look right now, Leah's, yours, Jana's. There's a resurgence, and you know crazy it is.
Speaker 1:I'm going to look you guys riff while I.
Speaker 3:I think Leah's. I looked the other day and Leah's was number one, for I don't know, maybe she put up a YouTube video and talked about a book or something. I don't know. Nice, mine has been number one, and three and five, the audio, the, this, the that, for like basically a year since it was released.
Speaker 2:Yay, congratulations. Okay, so unknown person, just read your book, mike. Sounded like you hated Miscavige more than Scientology itself.
Speaker 3:I think that that probably is true, yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, and then here we go, rk.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Event name suggest IASP TV. Yes to Guy Fawkes Day Claire.
Speaker 1:Yay.
Speaker 2:See I got another Team, Claire Yay. I like how she starts reading the comments. Guy Fawkes Day Claire Yay, See I got another Team, claire.
Speaker 1:Yay, I like how she starts reading the comments and suddenly her pro comments are the ones being pulled up.
Speaker 2:Convenient Carolyn Rorastica. Thank you, laura Estrada. I relate all the crazy traumatic stories to my 80-year-old mom. She enjoys it as a sci-fi saga. I relate all the crazy traumatic stories to my 80-year-old mom. She enjoys it as a sci-fi saga. I'm reading to her there you go Well, that's one way to do it for sure. Oh my God, fee in the Shed. I'm with Claire. Yay, another team, claire. Have the boys never seen? V for Vendetta Bonfire Night is perfect and appropriate. Why? Thank you, fia in the Shed. Great comment, carolyn Morastica.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna pop out and get my boots real quick because it's getting pretty thick around here.
Speaker 2:Thank you for saying my surname correctly. My husband is Balinese. Best wishes to you all from Melbourne, Australia. I think that was for you, Mike. I think you're the only one that said it absolutely correctly. John Satowski in the house. Thin Mark is off the crackers. Yes indeed, no crackers allowed in this house.
Speaker 1:That's true. I had to get away from those crackers. That was just not helping me at all. That's funny.
Speaker 2:The fudge isn't much helping the cause either, but that's okay, oh thanks, john Satowski.
Speaker 1:That was him too that said that.
Speaker 2:It was I know when he messaged yesterday.
Speaker 1:We got this fudge.
Speaker 3:Oh my God Uranus.
Speaker 1:Uranus Fudge Factory General Store the best fudge yeah, look I know, well, he sent me.
Speaker 3:Uh, that's too close babe, that's way too close. He sent me throat lozenges oh nice back like a few months ago.
Speaker 2:Nice thank you for the super sticker tomorrow. We appreciate it, cody mac. Hey, all I was curious what you might know about nash Nashville, or literally no one ever there. Does Sea Org run it? Definitely no C's at that CC.
Speaker 3:No celebrities at that celebrity center. Well, Aaron and I went by and visited that like I guess that was like six or seven years ago or something, maybe when we were there for a convention in Nashville and there was one of those VM yellow vans with a flat tire in the parking lot and maybe two other cars and that was all. That was the entirety of the population of the Celebrity Center Nashville, Nice. Wow.
Speaker 1:Here's the Amazon bests. Oh, you've got to be kidding me.
Speaker 2:I'll keep going on the comments while you fix that.
Speaker 3:If we go like this, we can read it, yeah right, exactly there you go.
Speaker 2:Okay, donna Rose, can someone get a drone over the IES site for live reports?
Speaker 3:Oh, I guarantee they have thought of that, I guarantee you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure too. You're right. Tina Christensen, hi from Highlands Ranch, love and admire all of you. Well, hello back Highlands Ranch. Yes, indeed, our neighbor, tenacious Art Girl. I want to suggest SPTV starting fun and cool raffles to raise more money for y'all, like win lunch in Clearwater with an SPTV personality, et cetera. Nice thought. Well, we have a lot more coming on that. We've been slowly but surely gaining momentum over at the After foundation. We just added an amazing new auction platform. So we'll see. We'll see what's on the horizon coming soon. Renee hale. Thank you for the super chat. Love you guys so much. My first live and my first super chat amazing, we appreciate it yes, we certainly hope so.
Speaker 2:Thank you for being here with us today. And here we go. Free Xenu project of Farsic. Mike, I'm so glad you're doing better. It is so good to see you, mark and Claire, back together again. You all do more to help people of the world in six months than Scientology has done in their entire existence.
Speaker 2:Yes, that fun fact is not lost on us, believe you me. Oh my goodness, all righty. Melanie Kwek, can you just see Leah being interviewed on the golden rod carpet? What a hoot. Oh my goodness, yeah, there you go Golden rod carpet.
Speaker 3:We need a golden rod carpet now guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know right, we've got a growing list of event requirements.
Speaker 1:This sounds like a lot of work. For me, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 3:No comment which all goes to Glit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, somebody's got to do it. Write that down, honey. Somebody actually has to do it. Write that down.
Speaker 3:Somebody actually has to do it.
Speaker 2:Write that down.
Speaker 3:Mike, if you were still in OSA what would you do? About SPTV. Throw up my hands in despair and walk out the door.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go. He just did it. He's done it. There you go. Good answer Free Zinu project of Farsic Flippant, flippant, Flippant Mark. I resemble that remark. You might have meant resent that remark, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:That's what you say.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, I resemble that remark. Oh yeah, You're really doing a good job with this.
Speaker 2:Mark, I got it. Yeah, there you go. Okay, I'm doing a great job. Denise Brown super sticker. Thank you so much, Denise.
Speaker 1:Okay here we go.
Speaker 2:Andy Fabulous. Oh okay, hold on, I'll just hide this for a second Okay.
Speaker 1:So Mike is slaying it right now. So this is the right now Scientology bestsellers on Amazon. Mike is number one, number two, leah's number three, number four, jenna is number five. Okay, oh, look at that and number seven is dynamics, and that is the paperback version.
Speaker 3:That is the first time that has been that high. They must be doing something, telling people to buy books.
Speaker 1:They're putting out millions of dollars on Google ads right now. Millions of dollars. Mike's book is number eight. And then the audio version of Dianetics is number nine. And then I've never even heard of the number 10 one welcome to transhuman. And then bare face massage, number 11. And then Dianetics, the hardback edition, is number 12.
Speaker 3:Wow, A big push on Dianetics to try and get it up on this bestseller list.
Speaker 1:And they can't even get it to into the top five. They can't. That's amazing. I can't believe, though. That's my audio book too. Plug for the Blovergood audio book. If you haven't read that, you can get that on Audible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we should factor in that we're not even selling your paperback and hardback on Amazon anymore either, by the way, so that's not even in the mix.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true. That's why it's not even those aren't even on there. We're selling a ton of those, but we just sell them direct now because Amazon's just taking my money. But I'll let them take the money for the Audible.
Speaker 3:But I just want to put in a plug here. I just found out people asked me when I said that now the paperback edition the trade paperback edition of my book is coming out in February and you can preorder it on Amazon already. And a lot of people asked me because it has a new afterword which sort of updates everything over the last year. If there's going to be a new audiobook, be a new audio book. And simon schuster wrote to me this week and said yes, we want to do a new edition of the audio book with the afterword now added to it, so there will be a new audio book coming out. Uh, I guess with the paperback. I don't know when I'm going to record it, but I'll do it soon nice that's good news, good news.
Speaker 1:Great news, andy, fabulous. Thank you for that. Andy need to make LRH P mats. With his face on it and tongue sticking out to catch drops of P, make a great Christmas gift P on Matt. Okay, now listen, andy, fabulous, I'm following your line of your train of thought here. But let me throw this out to you you can buy custom urinal cakes with someone's face on them and then you put those in the urinal, so there's not a matter of something dripping on it. You're going to get a good hard stream on that cake.
Speaker 2:As a mother of three boys, I think we should recommend that it all goes in, not drops. We shouldn't be promoting anything having to do with external drops anyway, I have researched, I have researched this andy fabulous.
Speaker 1:Oh, we have the same problem and it was a toss-up between big problem davy.
Speaker 1:Now listen, I'm telling you, I even have the name, I have it every. It wasn't davy cakes, it was davy doll, ory Cakes. Okay, now you can't put a Davy Cake on your desk and just leave it there, because it's going to smell like you know, cisco Davy Cakes, but like a urinal cake. So we went with a Davy Doll, but we may do a Davy Cake thing in the future, but for now we got Davy dolls. Thank you for that, andy. Fabulous Lisa M never in, but fascinating, and have so much admiration for all of you on SPTV. Keep up, please, keep going. Love you guys.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Lisa M. We appreciate it.
Speaker 1:We will Wow, la Fanda is like this might be you're going to win the birthday game, most super chats in one video Team.
Speaker 1:Claire, guy Fawkes Day would be perfect. Masks on, you could do a guy, you and Marilyn and Kelly, you can do whatever you want. On the fifth, that's right. You guys can have a Guy Fawkes marathon the day after and everybody who loves it can be part of it. I'm not, I'm not saying not to do it, I'm just it's not going to be the thing that we do when the event's happening. Uh, jaded neck zero. Jaded neck zero. Okay, uh, you are looking great, mike um heart. I hope you are heart. I hope you're feeling strong. We need you here to help fight the good fight against that teeny tiny Captain Keebler, mickey Witch. Love and support all of the SP fam.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Very, very generous of you. Thank you very much for that Free Xenu project of Farsec. Can we do a fundraiser to buy all the books from all the ex-Scientologists and send them all to Davey Puppet Boy? There's not, really, I don't know. Oh, you mean from the books from all the exes? I guarantee you that they have copies of our books and they've studied them thoroughly. And, davey, you know when I was saying earlier that OSA has to transcribe this and report all these things up, they 100% have to do that.
Speaker 1:The fact that Mike is on a live, that is a notable thing, like when Mike wasn't doing lives, it would be. Mike hasn't appeared in a live in so many days. And I have a theory on why those PIs showed up, mike Because you were kind of doing something else, you were flying below the radar and they needed to know what's Mike up to because he's not on SPTV, what's he doing? And I think they were paranoid that you were doing some secret project and they needed to know I was Well. But they don't know that Joe Virus never in, but bought Dynetics for 50 cents at Goodwill to keep it out of the wrong hands. I camp a lot, so it makes for great kindling. I tell you, I have seen so many Joe Virus. You're a goddamn genius.
Speaker 2:Well done, Joe Virus. Thank you for helping the world.
Speaker 1:Excuse my language. Sorry, I used the Lord's name in vain. But yes, you can do that. If you see something at a thrift store and it's 50 cents, just buy it to take it out of circulation. We don't need thrifters going Sometimes. There's a lot of kids these days that like to go to thrift stores and buy kind of cool, old, uh, you know we don't want mackleball to be the next celebrity sign. Yeah we don't we don't want macklemore getting into scientology.
Speaker 1:Actually, I don't know. There's many schools of thought on macklemore. We might give him, we might give him over. Depends on what do you think of Macklemore. He might be one. We might say, yeah, get on over there, macklemore. Chris OC Mark, for the love of God, please put this towards the Davy Cake Fund. These just are coming in right now. Yeah, I don't. I love the Davy cake idea. It just it. Only you know analytics wise. Youtube's telling me it's not a financially responsible thing to do because there's not a lot of people on here that are going to buy Davy cakes. But you know, we did it guys.
Speaker 2:We made it to the end. We got to the end, thanks to all the many people who joined us tonight. Don't forget to subscribe and like at Mike Rinder and at Balloon for Good. We so appreciate you all here and thank you for watching to the very end.
Speaker 1:And also those of you who watched to the very end. You get a treat.
Speaker 2:Yay, and our final two minutes here, folks, just as a reminder.
Speaker 1:And I do have to duck out because I got to get ready for the next stream with Mitch, so I'm going to let you guys wrap this one up. Claire, make sure to play the outro and do all the stuff that I normally do. Don't be a barbarian. Thank you, bye.
Speaker 2:Have. I ever been a barbarian. Oh my gosh, Come on.
Speaker 3:No, you're the least barbarian person I know, honestly.
Speaker 2:What about now? So awesome, see you later, guys. Thanks again for doing this with us. We appreciate it. Bye-bye, and give me a minute here, barbarian, I'm so fired.
Speaker 1:I'm so fired.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I'm freaking out here, ah, ah.
Speaker 1:Ah, ah, oh my gosh. The videos are on the brand. The videos should be on the brand.
Speaker 2:I'm looking for the outro. I don't have it, there's no outro.
Speaker 3:It's okay, claire. Okay, the only person in the whole world that cares about this is Mark.
Speaker 2:I know we won't tell him. We won't tell him.
Speaker 3:We won't tell him and he'll never go back and watch it.
Speaker 2:It's our little secret. Amazing Guys, I'll hit end stream. Thank you so much. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye, bye, our little secret.
Speaker 1:Thanks for watching our little secret. You new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, kindle and audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast and you can get that on Apple, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. And if you'd like to watch another video, you can click on this link right here, or you can click on this one here, or you can click on the subscribe button right here. Thanks a lot, until next time.
