Yesterday's Guardians, Today's Ghosts: The Collapse of Scientology's Intelligence Apparatus - Scientology Q&A #39

Mike Rinder and Marc Headley dive into the current state of Scientology's Office of Special Affairs (OSA), revealing how the once-powerful intelligence arm is now struggling to keep up with mounting challenges and criticisms.

• OSA is Scientology's spy wing, previously known as the Guardian's Office which perpetrated the largest infiltration of the US government in history
• Many Guardian's Office members are still working in OSA today despite Scientology's claims they were removed
• Key legal figures like Kendrick Moxon (unindicted co-conspirator) still work as OSA's legal counsel
• Warren McShane, President of RTC, was previously intelligence head for Guardian's Office New York
• OSA currently has too many crises to effectively handle them all – Danny Masterson case, Switzerland legal failures, UK event planning issues
• The explosion of ex-members speaking out has increased "10x in six months"
• OSA surprisingly paid back Rosemary Chickwack's money without requiring a release or gag order
• David Miscavige's paranoia and management style causes high turnover and chaos within OSA
• Many OSA failures are directly caused by Miscavige's irrational demands and temper
• Former OSA executives note they can't possibly monitor all the SPTV content being created

Chapters

• 0:12 Introduction to OSA and its Origins
• 8:12 Guardian's Office Crimes and Rebranding
• 16:38 OSA's Current State and Failings
• 28:47 Former OSA Members in Leadership
• 44:14 Danny Masterson Case and Media Control
• 59:25 Swiss Legal Case and UK Event Problems
• 1:14:29 David Miscavige's Paranoia and Leadership
• 1:29:55 OSA's Unprecedented Legal Missteps
• 1:41:17 Viewer Questions and Community Support
• 1:53:06 Mark Bunker's Clearwater City Council Fight
• 1:55:54 Final Thoughts and Channel Information

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

Hey guys, welcome to the channel. Welcome back to Blown for Good SPTV live stream. Let's get Mike in here. Hey, mike, hey Mark, wow, we've already got 400 people in here right off the bat. That's awesome. Thanks for joining us today, guys. Today we are going to talk about OSA, and there was no way that I could have a live stream about OSA without having Mike here, because he worked in and around OSA for how many years, mike, do you think he worked in and around OSA? For how many years, mike, do you think he worked in and around OSA, either as the boss of them or just doing stuff related 25.

Speaker 2: 0:52

25 years. There was a period in there where I wasn't, you know, I was LRH, post-PRO int or I was chief of CMO int or COCMO int or in the hole or whatever, and so probably the number of years. Well, actually when I was in the hole I was still sort of OSA, so you know, 20, maybe 20 years.

Speaker 1: 1:19

Still 20 years. That's a lot of experience. So for anybody who doesn't know, anybody who's new to the channel, osa stands for the office of Special Affairs and that is Scientology's spy wing, previously known as the Guardian's office. And they perpetrated the largest infiltration in the United States government in its history. And was it? 11 senior Scientology officials.

Speaker 2: 1:42

Yes 11.

Speaker 1: 1:43

11. Yeah, pled guilty to espionage and Went to prison. Went to prison, federal prison, federal prison including L Ron Hubbard's wife, mary Sue Hubbard. Right, and the only reason pretty sure the only reason that Hubbard didn't end up in jail was because they couldn't find him, and Mary Sue fell on her sword for him and took it.

Speaker 2: 2:08

Not just Mary Sue, all of the defendants, everybody who was investigated as part of that government prosecution, claimed that Hubbard knew nothing, that he was you know. He was, you know oblivious to all the things that they had done, which was very much a lie, and in fact, the things that they had done were based on what he had directed be done.

Speaker 1: 2:35

So it was like Couldn't have been any further from the truth what they testified to, right from the truth what they testified to, right. So and the only reason they the really the only reason they pled guilty and they had to fall on their swords is because they had them. It was done, there was, they had, they caught him red-handed and then they raided. The FBI raided Scientology's facilities in DC Hall in Hollywood and in well, both locations, in the Celebrity Center and the complex and in their Washington DC location. And you know I've gotten so many people have emailed me that months, the months leading up to that raid, people were going through all the files, all of the Guardian's office files and any writing that had L Ron Hubbard or his signature on them or his name anywhere. They were taking razor blades and cutting them out of the pages of these documents.

Speaker 2: 3:39

Oh, that happened many times, mark. That wasn't just prior to the raid. It also happened when there was the fear of another raid. When Hubbard was in La Quinta, which was in late 1979, early 1980 or something like that, they feared that there was another raid coming because these two people who had been shooting movies with him, dale and Ernie Hartwell, had blown and they'd been unable to recover them. And another guy I can't remember his name now had also Walters, somebody. Walters had also blown and they were afraid that they had gone to the fbi. They may have even gone to the fbi and reported that uh well, you think that you got all the people that were involved in everything? Uh, you didn't.

Speaker 1: 4:35

They're still there doing it going on.

Speaker 2: 4:37

Yeah, and so that's when hubbard took off in the middle of the night with his go bag and two messengers and went to Reno, nevada, and hid out in a motel in Reno with Dee Dee and Annie Broca and I think maybe Claire Rousseau, and then I think Gene Denk came there too, but they were like in hiding incognito in a motel in Reno, nevada, wow.

Speaker 1: 5:09

And he then subsequently well, now I'm getting off into something that's completely irrelevant I know, but just so for the setup of it, the Office of Special Affairs. After this whole thing happened with the Guardian's office and they went to jail, scientology said we have disbanded the guardian's office and they went to jail. Scientology said we have disbanded the guardian's office. We got rid of everybody from the guardian's office. That doesn't exist anymore. And what they did was they changed the name to the Office of Special Affairs and even some of the same people that were in the guardian's office still work for the office of special affairs, like rick moxon, ken mock, kendrick moxon he was an unindicted co-conspirator and was, and they knew that. He testified that signatures had been falsified in government documents and stuff like this and he was an unindicted co-conspirator. He's the in-house legal counsel for osa to this day, well worse than that much.

Speaker 2: 6:08

The president of rtc was the intelligence head for the guardian's office, new york, warren mcshane he was in the go2.

Speaker 1: 6:22

Absolutely't know that. Yes, I thought he ran an asphalt company before he did.

Speaker 2: 6:28

Oh, he did, that's when he was the Guardian's office, people were not Sea Orc.

Speaker 1: 6:33

Oh, I get it. So he was doing that work. He was literally paving concrete and then doing espionage part-time.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Well, I think that he sort of left his, his paving business, uh, to his partner and then went, went to new york to become the, the assistant guardian for information, the euphemistic name for the intelligence so literally some of the guardians office people.

Speaker 1: 6:59

Not only are they still in osa, but they're in religious technology center. Oh, that is, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 2: 7:07

Do you know? Do you know who the recruiter for RTC was for the longest time? Brian Andrus. Brian Andrus was the guy that kidnapped Michael Meisner, the Guardian office.

Speaker 2: 7:23

He's the one who was caught by the FBI and then was basically kidnapped by Scientology to prevent him from testifying, and that became a central part of the case. When he finally escaped and went to the FBI and said they were holding me in this safe house. They put a tennis ball in my mouth, they handcuffed me, they threw me in the floor of the back of a car and moved me in this safe house. They put a tennis ball in my mouth, they handcuffed me, they threw me in the floor of the back of a car and moved me to another safe house. And the guy that did that was Brian Andrus. He was the recruiter for RTC. He isn't anymore. Yeah, now he's a big, now he's a patron. He's a whale Of Scientology in Clearwaterwater who's developing the buildings that they're using. That's right.

Speaker 1: 8:07

That's all those properties. Yeah, that's Brian Andrus.

Speaker 2: 8:10

That's exactly right, brian Andrus.

Speaker 1: 8:12

So literally you have Guardian's office, the head of the Office of Special Affairs.

Speaker 2: 8:18

Today, linda Hamill was in the Guardian's office. She was the Deputy Guardian's office Guardian. She was the deputy guardian United States Wow. So Kathy O'Gorman, who is the head of data of OSA International, was the assistant guardian for flag. She was the AG flag when the operations were being conducted against Gabe Cazares Wow.

Speaker 1: 8:51

That's amazing. So this is a perfect example. So Scientology gets caught for infiltrating the government. A bunch of people get arrested. They lie through their teeth. We're not doing that anymore. The guardian's office has been disbanded. Meanwhile, all of those people that were in the guardian's office are still working for the office of special affairs to this day. They just call it something different the, the, the playbook that they operate off of is exactly the same as what the geo had. There is even OSA documents that were written to the GO that they, that they. When you study, when it's like oh, this is this, you know, you know what I'm saying. Like when they write an issue.

Speaker 2: 9:39

Office of Special Affairs. Yeah, but it's the same Same writing. It just changed the name on the top of the issue from a Guardian order to an Office of Special Affairs Network order. That's it. Wow, that's amazing, right.

Speaker 1: 9:57

Okay. So how do we get all the way down this rabbit hole? Well, I was just trying to say what OSA was and I just said they. I was trying to just set it up like these guys are criminals and they're criminals that work for Scientology. But the reason why I wanted to have Mike on here is because when I was in Scientology at the international headquarters, I worked at Golden Era Productions, so I was in the media arm of Scientology where we created the videos and the events, these big galas that they'd put on, and then all the films and videos, and every once in a while we'd be asked to do something for an OSA video or we would have to give them something or some special effects or something like that.

Speaker 1: 10:38

But if there was a legal case going on, like if there was a legal case going on, was a legal case going on like if there was a legal case going on? That was a huge flap for OSA and they had to be all over it and they had to make that case disappear. And if the case didn't disappear, david Miscavige, the insanity would escalate. The longer the case went, the higher the insanity level would go. Same thing if there was sps protesting at the base, or same thing. If there was a bad uh, uh, what was that magazine? Premiere magazine or rolling stone magazine? If there wasn't a science, if scientology was mentioned in a negative way in a in a magazine, it would be somebody at osa is gonna to heads are going to roll at OSA, that this, that this was allowed to happen, yeah, absolutely OK. And there were a lot of things that OSA would make disappear of these type of things TV shows that are about to happen, or an interview that was interviewed and that never saw the light of day. They did spike stories and they did make these things go away and that's sort of that. That's their gig. That's what they're supposed to do, right?

Speaker 1: 11:56

So so the reason why I wanted to have Mike on here is because there was a thing that happened a few weeks ago where there was a legal case in Switzerland where Scientology was accusing some people of harassing them. Scientology said these two guys are harassing us. And I don't know all the ins and outs, but they could have been protesters or people that were just saying, hey, scientology is evil, they shouldn't be doing evil in our town and we don't want them and they need to get out of here. And so Scientology said we're taking you to court, you guys are harassing us. And then Scientology didn't show up to the hearing and they lost the case just because they didn't bring their lawyers with them to the case. Bring their lawyers with them to the case. And and the second I saw that I thought, oh, osa is doing something else besides what they're supposed to be doing, or they're just too much for them to do that. That could just slip through the cracks like that.

Speaker 2: 12:56

Too much. They have too much there. Even back in the good old days when OSA I say good old days in inverted commas with criminal conviction of Danny Masterson with the internet absolutely slaughtering them all day and every day, with SPTV it would have been. They would have been overwhelmed and would not have been able, or we would not have been able, to deal with all of this stuff at one time. It would have to be focused on what's the biggest stuff, and the biggest stuff would be whatever Miscavige had his attention on, whatever he was complaining about or worried about or issuing orders about. That would be what everybody would be working on, and a lot of stuff would fall by the wayside. Now the amount of things that are falling by the wayside is huge, like far more than I have ever seen. There is more stuff that now happens. That is sort of I. I look at and I go, oh, this is, this is not good. Up there on the, the 10th and 12th floor of the hgb building is not a happy, happy camp.

Speaker 1: 14:46

Well, just the fact that there's you know, aaron's doing videos on his channel and he's got people in the orgs talking to him that he's then telling their stories. He's got. What about Matt Pesch? He's got Matt Pesch. Family members are calling him, scientologists are calling him. They're giving him. The funny thing about Matt is Matt is I mean, he's basically retired and for fun he does Uber. He delivers people to the Scientology base. He's driving Scientologists to the base and they're telling him stuff on the way there. They don't know who they're telling him stuff on the way there. They don't know they're, they don't know who they're talking to. But, um, but then you've got. You've got um Sea Org members that are escaping left, right and center. Those Sea Org members in a lot of cases are contacting us and then telling us stuff. Um, you've got staff members that are escaping, like these are the, the Scientologists that are employed in the organizations all over the United States or all over the world that aren't part of the billion year contract Sea Org members.

Speaker 1: 15:51

And then you've got the obviously the Danny Masterson case. That that's probably. That's probably the flap of the decade for OSA right now. That that case, that entire thing was there, was OSA's mess that they they created. You know, decades ago, really two decades ago, they created this mess and they and they burned a bunch of people, and those people felt like they got burned and so they were out for justice. They wanted to say, like you guys tried, you got that, you guys said we were the bad guys, and then this guy got to go away and then he kept doing what he did to me, to other people, right, and so it was just like there was no way that that was never gonna get back out.

Speaker 1: 16:36

Well, the reason what I think so the reason I think oh, so should be really freaking out about now is, I guarantee you, there's a hundred other Danny Masterson Such that went down, maybe not all exactly the same, where somebody was assaulted this way or that way, but there were crimes committed that have been covered up by Scientology. This has been going on for decades, and in most cases, the people that were victims at the time either are no longer in Scientology or Scientology kicked them out or did did them wrong in another way, and so these people are seeing this Danny Masterson thing and they're they're all starting to come out of the woodwork. Oh, absolutely, and that's yeah, and that's where I think OSA is that, because where do you? It's like, uh, you know, it's like one of those uh, whack-a-mole, you know exactly which, which, which leak, which hole do you? It's like one of those whack-a-mole Exactly which leak, which hole do you cover in the dam, when there's a hundred holes? I?

Speaker 2: 17:32

totally agree with you, mark. The issue, from as far as Osa goes, is compounded. It is not just that there are all these people out there, it's that they are becoming braver and less concerned about speaking up and stepping forward. It has become safer in the minds of people to speak out now. Now we are seeing people who have been silent for years and years and years suddenly stepping out and saying, ok, it's time for me to talk. And I'm going to tell you what I know. And there has been a lot of those in the last six months ramped up the level of people who are speaking out by about 10x in six months Easily, and that's what you can see on the YouTube.

Speaker 1: 18:39

End of it you can see. You know, even Sterling and Mike Brown. We're friends with these guys, we've talked to them for years but they never were at a point where they would be like oh, I'm going to tell my story on YouTube. Almost, I would say 90% of these people were not at that point and we did the show, the aftermath show. The people that were on the aftermath show, that was probably two times as many people that were willing to speak out than before the Aftermath show.

Speaker 2: 19:06

You know what I'm saying. Yeah, exactly, it's been growing exponentially since. Really, what I peg as the watershed was the Truth Rundown series in the Tampa Bay Times. That's exactly right, because that's when the first people sort of stepped forward Marty me, tom DeVocht, you and Claire and there were a few others. But we sort of came out very publicly and spoke and then, when they did some of the follow-up, there were more people Ben Jackson and Shelly Karius and I can't even remember, was it High Levy.

Speaker 2: 19:44

High Levy. Yeah, there was more and more and more. And then when it got time for the aftermath and I started calling around to people saying, hey, would you like? You know we're doing this show now. In season one there weren't so many people that were kind of willing, like that was. Aaron came out for the first time yeah, he hadn't really spoken out. Mary khan hadn't really spoken out before that. She, we did an episode with her and a couple of other people and you know we did you and claire and tom and jeff hawkins, jack people who had jacks, people who had already spoken. But in season two we started getting more and more and Miriam and Sina and you know, and Chrissy and Chrissy, like it grew and grew and now it is just continuing to grow and people are writing books too.

Speaker 1: 20:42

Yes, that's amazing, there's books that are coming out. There used to be five books by X members, now there's 50.

Speaker 2: 20:50

I know I know feeling like, okay, we've been sticking our fingers in the dike for 10 or 15 years and we used to do pretty good at that.

Speaker 1: 21:10

we call it now, just so there's no confusion. Mike, we call it a damn now. Oh okay, got it okay. So yes, I'm sorry I didn't. I just wanted to make sure that I didn't go without a comment, because otherwise people would be writing in there oh right, anyway it used to be that the major leaks and the major gushes could be sort of controlled.

Speaker 2: 21:39

Yes, could be sort of controlled, yes. Now they must just look at this and go okay, I'm ready to fall backwards and just let it wash over me, because we cannot keep up. And you just see this all over the place, they are losing stuff left, right and center, like dumb stuff. They're neglecting things, dumb things.

Speaker 1: 22:08

Here's a perfect example of the reason that the Switzerland thing happened, and I made a mental note of it. Okay, they didn't show up with a lawyer. That seems like like that's an. Somebody went to the like in our day. Somebody went to the RPF, or a team of people would have gone to the rpf if something like that happened 20 years ago. Okay, so then apostate alex was doing a live the other night and he said that the scientologists in east grinstead, the seawork there, whoever did not apply for a permit to build this tent and do you know, put on the event Hold an event.

Speaker 1: 22:49

Yeah, which they bring in. Arguably, thousands and thousands of vehicles are going to travel into East Grinstead. People need lodging, people need all that stuff. They don't have that. Scientology doesn't have that. They have to get it from the town. Scientology doesn't have that, they have to get it from the town. And they need to get some sort of notice to the council that they're going to have this event within six weeks of the event. Well, the event's like two and a half weeks away and they haven't. They hadn't notified. I don't know what the current status of this is. They may have been there first thing this morning at the council.

Speaker 2: 23:25

Um, we'll have to find out. I watched apostate alex's latest uh live that I think was live earlier this afternoon and he didn't say that he had spoken to the people who are in charge of these permits and that they haven't still haven't received anything.

Speaker 1: 23:41

Okay, so so that to me is like okay, fine, but that's not the biggest deal. And and scientology does have one of these if there's a fine, we'll just pay the fine. It's just sort of like whatever oh yeah, five thousand dollars yeah, they were paid. How much did they pay? Three hundred thousand dollars in fines, something like that.

Speaker 2: 23:58

Three hundred thousand dollars they paid in fines get permission to put up the tent for that kooky IAS event they held there. And they went, yeah, well, we're not taking. They got ordered to take it down. They said we're not taking it down. They said we're going to start fining you. And they said, okay, big whoop, yeah. And then they paid the fine. The scavenger didn't want the tent taken down because it would be he would lose face, so they just paid.

Speaker 1: 24:21

Yeah. So you could think like, okay, fine, and that was my first reaction. But then Apostate Alex said that he planned a protest to take place the same days that the events were going to be there. So they have the IES event and then the Patrons Ball, and so there's a few days of events. And he said that he put in his submission to the planning council that he is going to have a protest. And then I thought to myself, well, that's going to be weird, because if they get his proposal and there's no event on the books from Scientology's end, there's no conflicts and he's good to go, he's going to get all his stuff approved.

Speaker 1: 25:01

Well, then he dropped this bomb that he has road closures. And if you were in the United States and he said, oh, they're going to close the road, well, there's another road going the other way and there's three lanes one way and it's not like that around East Grinstead. East Grinstead, if there's a car driving down the road and you're from America, you're probably going to pull over and let that car go by. If you're from England, you're both going to pull over and let that car go by. If you're from England, you're both going to rip right by each other and your mirrors are going to like there's going to be like a one little hair between them when you pass and you might even touch a little. There might even be a little kiss as the mirrors go by. But it's a very, very, very tight road and if the road is closed for people to walk up and down the road doing protesting, then the thousands of Scientologists that are arriving there from elsewhere are not going to be able to get there. And even if they put them on buses like I'm going through my mind all the things they're going to have to do, like oh, we're going to stage them here and then we're going to bus them in and then we're going to do it's just the logistics is a nightmare. If there's a road closure right outside Sand Hill, that's really the part that makes this not workable.

Speaker 1: 26:08

And then you think, well, this is all on Scientology, because if they would have put in their event thing, then it would have been fine. But somebody, somewhere either, either, is busted like the person who's that when, when something silly like this happens to me, I try to figure out this is the biggest flap in the world, how could this have taken place? And I go okay, the person that's job this was that did it every single event for the last 20 events got sent to the RPF or got sent to Los Angeles or works in another place and they didn't tell anybody. This is what they do, and now it didn't get done and now no one knows what to do. It's just a big mess, right? So or they're watching sptv and they're doing sptv not because, for those of you who don't know, some of the sptv creators, um, are now being harassed by scientology. Whether you know this or not, it is happening and it's some of the newer ones.

Speaker 1: 27:05

And I think this is another thing that you got. You got to know, guys, if you're doing, if you're messing with Scientology, and then they start messing with you and you react and you get all worried and then they double, they go oh, we got one. If you, if they mess with you and you don't do anything and you just do a funny video about it, then there's not really anything for them to do and they're just creating content for us. Essentially, I mean, they followed Mike. They followed Mike. I don't even know why. I really thought when Mike was sick and he was not doing videos.

Speaker 1: 27:42

In my heart of heart, I think Scientology was like what's Mike doing? He ain't doing videos. We need to find out what he's doing. He's going to the hospital and he's going to the doctors and they're like he's up to no good because he's not doing videos. So he must be working on a secret. Know they're, they're they're they're really grasping at what's going on and who's controlling all this. And that's also the other thing. Dave always thinks there's big, some big conspiracy, right? Oh, absolutely Just like Hubbard. Yeah, it's, this is a conspiracy. And really, at the end of the day, scientology is spending millions and millions of dollars on Google ads, and those Google ads are skewing the YouTube algorithm to make all this content float to the top of people's recommended pages, and this is all Scientology is doing. I wouldn't be doing this if Scientology wasn't paying us so well to do it.

Speaker 2: 28:40

Ok, that's how this is working In addition to our big pharma checks. Yeah, oh.

Speaker 1: 28:46

I know they've been telling the Scientologist. This is real, guys, this is not joke. Dave Miscavige and OSA have been telling the Scientologist that the pharmaceutical companies are paying us to to take out Scientology, because it's the, it's the pharmaceutical companies who gained to, who have the most to gain by Scientology not existing, and so they they. And it's in magazines, right, it's on websites and magazines and all sorts of things that we, big pharma was paying us to protest when anonymous was protesting. Big pharma was paying me to write a book about scientology, like and, and I would always joke like hey, eli lilly, talk about staff member of the week, like 20 weeks running. Where's my, where's my check man? Where's my bonus? I've not got one check to this day.

Speaker 2: 29:39

You haven't is it pfizer, who's supposed?

Speaker 1: 29:41

to be paying us Pfizer, eli Lilly, I don't even know any other ones. What are the other ones that should be giving us dough?

Speaker 2: 29:50

Oh, AbbVie, abbvie.

Speaker 1: 29:54

You know we could be sponsored by them. Yeah, we could. We could be sponsored by that, and then it would at least make sense. But if there's AbbVie, pfizer, lily ads running during our uh lives, people, right, get get down but do the bleepity blop in the comments there and tell us if uh, tell us what ads you see during these videos so we can figure out who's paying us. Besides, so far the ones I'm getting reported are scientology, uh, top gun, mission impossible. Those are the ones the ads that are running during my job. Yep, exactly, oh, my goodness, what else did I have? So I got switzerland, danny masterson, the is event, um, sp tv. Yeah, the sp tv thing is a is a bit of a phenomena that I'm not sure. I'm not sure how osa could even watch all the videos. I mean, I can't even watch all the videos I.

Speaker 1: 30:44

I mean, I can't even watch all the videos I go. If I log in, I get to work, I've opened up my YouTube and if somebody's live I'll just put the video on while I sit there working and I'll listen. And if they say something I'll kind of go in the chat or something and I kind of just have it playing all day. And the different channels, like Clearwater, chad and Denver, stevo and Marilyn and Kelly and you know all the different channels they see me pop in there every once in a while. I could not imagine having to transcribe and record every single possible video. It would be.

Speaker 2: 31:15

I think all of OSA. I don't think that they can possibly do that at this point. I think that probably what they have is some sort of program that auto transcribes yeah. So TV or the SMP has a software program that they're using to do that Right, and it's probably fairly gobbled because there's a lot of weird nomenclature that gets used in these things, so it's probably pretty messy in these things, so it's probably pretty messy.

Speaker 1: 31:47

And then the best one is that if you say, if you say David Miscavige or you say David Miscarriage, it'll do it. But if you say David Miscavige and you say his name, right, it AI will still say McCabbage. All nine out of 10, it'll say McCabbage, mccabbage, mccabbage. I use AI all the time to do stuff for my podcast and it literally I thought I taught it after a while because you can correct it and tell it. This is the way it is. But every once in a while it'll pop out of McCabbage on me and I'll be like, oh man.

Speaker 2: 32:20

Yeah, and then I think there's probably a few people that are assigned the task of skimming through them and like highlighting when and they probably have some flags, like when Masterson gets mentioned, when Miscavige gets mentioned, like certain things get mentioned, they flag them, but it's still, it's overwhelming, like I said, the dam and the fingers in the dam not able to keep up with the leaks that are springing, and there is more of them every day, literally, like literally every day, there's new things that show up that you go oh wow, here's another one. Oh wow, here's someone else. Oh wow, another person speaking out. Oh, another article. Oh, another YouTube channel. Oh, another YouTube video.

Speaker 1: 33:19

Another book thinking about the other day, mike was if OSA can't stop a thing in Switzerland from happening just because they didn't send anybody, all this SPTV stuff is just unbridled. They can't do anything about that. The things that they do need to do, like our lawsuits, they have to really have their shit together to be able to. I mean, at the end of the day, they're paying lawyers, but a lot of the dirty work and a lot of the make the lawsuit stop work. That's not the lawyer's department, that's OSA's department.

Speaker 1: 33:53

That's where they are trying to make backroom deals, to make like, let's, let's give an example, like if you have a family member in Scientology that you wanted to talk to and now you're suing Scientology or you're bringing a lawsuit against Scientology, scientology, osa would go to that family member and say you need to talk to your relative and tell him that if he drops a lawsuit, then you can talk and everything's good, yeah, and this whole thing will go away. And if that doesn't work, then it's like it's check writing time, like, okay, we need, osa needs to figure out how we're going to pay this person and not do it through the lawyers, because then it'll, the lawyers will get paid and OSA doesn't want to pay the lawyers. They want to pay off the people that are suing them and make it so. There's no kind of judgment or settlement.

Speaker 2: 34:48

They don't want there to be a paper trail, they just want to make it disappear, which reminds me Mark of something else that came up recently that was another indicator of the demise of the Office of Special Affairs, rosemary Chickwack, that they just paid the full amount with a check or a deposit into her account. Yeah, like they didn't even tell her Asking for a release, not even asking for one. This is like unheard of one. This is like unheard of. There was many, many, many, many times when the hold up to resolving one of these situations was there absolutely had to be a release.

Speaker 1: 35:40

We're going to write the check, but they got to sign a document.

Speaker 2: 35:43

This is all going to go away, but you must sign a release and if the person blocked on it, it didn't happen. Yeah, and that was basically the operating policy of OSA for the entire time that I was there. I don't think that we ever paid anyone to get and settle litigation without a release and usually a gag order. Yeah, not only the release. Yeah, so you can't sue us for anything in the future, you can't, so you won't even talk. Yes, and that was that was very, very, very firm policy. It has gotten to the point now of they don't even ask for it and that, to me, is probably the biggest indicator that OSA is floundering. I mean floundering not even trying, not even trying to get a release.

Speaker 1: 36:43

And they direct deposited it into her account. There wasn't a check, there wasn't anything. It literally like she went and logged into her account and there was a lot of money there that wasn't there before, and that's the other thing. It wasn't a negotiated amount, it was the total amount that they had taken from her, and it was. And they could have said it was 800,000. Who knows. And they could have said it was $800,000. Who knows what they could have said. That's the part that's kind of crazy to me. They sent Graham Berry or the lawyers or whoever did it, sent them a letter saying this is the amount and they just direct deposited that amount into her account. To me that's insane. Yep, and like you said, said and they have nothing, they gave her the money back.

Speaker 1: 37:30

And this is another thing. Guys, if you steal a bunch of money from somebody and they say you stole the money from them and you did it on over state lines and used credit cards and all this, the crime is done, the crime has been committed. If you send the money back to them, that doesn't undo it, doesn't walk back the crime. It just it proves that you did the crime really. It just it. Basically it's like oh, this is the amount. The omission of guilt yeah, this is the amount that you said that they stole from you and this is the amount of guilt yeah, this is the amount that you said that they stole from you and this is the amount that they, just out of nowhere, just deposited into your account.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Right. So, and the best they could do was draft a letter from some person that nobody has ever heard of to say we don't really have to give you this money, but here it is. Yeah, that was it. Yeah. I didn't even know why they bothered with that.

Speaker 1: 38:31

I know that was the best part. We don't have to do this, but we're going to do it because you're on YouTube right now telling the story full time, and there's 700,000 people who've now seen this. Yeah, we don't have to do it. We don't have to do it, but we're such nice guys. We're going to throw you a bone and give you back all the money that we stole from you.

Speaker 2: 38:53

Right, I just want to go back to this UK thing, yes, and the IES event, because you know we've been talking about how we're going to do an aftermath fundraiser to coincide with that event.

Speaker 2: 39:04

I just want to get in a plug for that, yes, um, and that maybe we will have, uh, some sort of report from the activities outside of the saint hill. Um, maybe live, but I don't know that the timing will work out exactly. We'll see. But I don't want everybody to get their hopes up that what is going to happen is that Apostate Alex's road closure is going to be approved and it is going to cause havoc for that event, because the people who you know, the people in East Grinstead who are responsible for this sort of stuff, including the police and the council, and whoever those people are, they know how these events go. They know and they've seen them for many, many years. They know that these buses come in from all over Europe and there are maybe 50 buses that are at St Hill at that time. Because I mean, I just saw an ad yesterday from Malmo or somewhere where they say for 20 euros, you can get on our bus to St Hill and back for 20 euros, for 20 bucks.

Speaker 1: 40:31

Yeah, that's insane From Sweden. Yeah, yeah, how far is that?

Speaker 2: 40:38

Well it's, I don't know, it's probably a seven or eight hours to drive, but the point is that they go. It's probably seven or eight hours to drive, but the point is that they go. They are so desperate to make sure that they have people at this event. Yes, that the vast majority of people at the IS event in the United Kingdom are not from the United Kingdom. Yes, that's true. In fact, if every Scientologist in the United Kingdom showed up for that event, they would still be a tiny minority.

Speaker 2: 41:09

It'd be a flap that only that many people showed up. But so they bring them in from all over the place. And so everybody the police and everybody knows that there is a whole bunch of these buses that are going to pull up on Friday afternoon, like the first event knows that there is a whole bunch of these buses that are going to pull up on friday afternoon, like the. The first event is on friday night. Okay, so they arrive on friday afternoon. They leave in the morning from wherever they are in europe. If they're coming from spain and italy, they probably have to leave the night before, drive all the way through the night and then arrive. But this it would be. It would be chaos if the street or the road in front of saint hill was closed and there were 50 buses accumulating.

Speaker 1: 41:55

That's what I'm saying that's as soon as he said he had he was, uh, applying for road closures for the safety of the protesters. That says that's exactly what. What came to my mind was one of those giant buses trying to get down the road. And then it's like nope, because if you're in a car and you just you know you're in a mini cooper and there's a road and you're out of there, but if you're one of those buses and there's 48 buses behind you, I know there's that's why I'm saying I don't think that they will close the roads for that reason, because they think that they will view that as a public safety issue.

Speaker 2: 42:33

that is a greater of greater concern to them. Yeah, because the road in, as you know, mark, the road in front of saint hill, just just goes from St Hill Green up to the main road into East Grinstead. It's about a mile long give or take. If the buses back up to that road that goes on either end that goes actually the road into East Grinstead it will be havoc and that will be a lot less than 50 buses required to accomplish that. So I don't believe that they will close the road.

Speaker 1: 43:13

I believe that it will be—, but if they don't have a—there's no event right now.

Speaker 2: 43:19

Well, they know that there is an event coming, they're going to go down to St Hill. Know that there is an event coming, they're going to go down to St Hill. Somebody Massimo Anguius or one of the people from OSA is going to show up and say oh, we're so sorry, we forgot.

Speaker 2: 43:32

And you know they filed it every year before and it was just because of something or other. They'll come up with some excuse and they'll go look, we can't create this issue, and they will win that argument. I believe that's what my belief is that they will prevail, and probably sensibly so, like good sense will prevail in that. From the perspective of East Grinstead.

Speaker 1: 44:05

But then do you think that Alex's people won't be able to protest? No, no, no, no. They will still be able to protest, but there just won't be a road closure for it.

Speaker 2: 44:13

Right, that's what I believe or they will cordon off a section that encroaches in the road, so it's only one-way traffic. Theoretically, that road is two-way, but two buses. They have to back up to get to a spot where it's wide enough.

Speaker 1: 44:34

Well, it'd have to be right at that part where the gate is, because it kind of fans out right there, right.

Speaker 2: 44:39

And there's three gates into St Hill. Yeah, you know that, that's true. There's the main one at the top, where the parking lot is, where everybody tries to go, yeah, and then there is the manor gate, which is not supposed to be used by anybody. And then there is the gate at the stables down the bottom which connects Isn't?

Speaker 1: 44:59

that where the parking goes. Don't they have a big field where everybody parks in? That's at the top, okay.

Speaker 2: 45:04

Yeah, that's at the top. So I just don't want everybody thinking okay, well, what's going to happen is that the whole event is going to be messed up and disrupted because the road's going to be closed and nobody's going to be able to get in. They're not going to do that. I don't believe I just don't believe that that will happen. Have created a situation with whoever the powers that be are, where they're not going to be happy with them because they've put them in an untenable position, because if they deny you know, alex's applications, he's going to rightfully say, hey, this is we did it right and they did it wrong. And you're siding with them, you're siding with Scientology, and I guarantee you there'll be a reporter from the Daily Mail or some other public the Sun or the Mirror or one of the other tabloids in the UK who will love this story.

Speaker 1: 46:13

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:14

They will love it. They will think that this is just a great story about how the Scientologists got special favors from the East Grinstead City Council or whoever it is, and that they're in the pocket of the cult. Yeah, so they got to be careful about how they go about doing it. But you know, I got to say kudos to apostate Alex for doing it the right way and then also for discovering that Scientology was not doing it the right way.

Speaker 1: 46:49

Yeah, I don't know, We'll see what happens. I mean, I really, I really am interested. And the other thing is that, if so, like like I was saying earlier, if all these things are going on like this, that's good. That it's OSA's fluff in the duff right now and I'm sorry, OSA, but this will get this video, Dave somehow this video will get to Dave and you know how this goes on the inside. Dave will say even the SPs know that you guys are fluffing the duff.

Speaker 1: 47:16

They just said it in a video you know, like even the SPs are saying what's going on with OSA? Why aren't they doing their job? Okay, like, hey, osa, you're supposed to be on the stick here, but I think that these lawsuits are going to go horribly sideways for them if they're doing this on the rudimentary things.

Speaker 2: 47:38

Well, they lost. I mean they lost their appeal in the UK also on the exempt status. Yeah, you know it hasn't been going well. They can't manage to prevent the Danny Masterson civil case from going forward. As much as they wanted to try to have that held indefinitely in abeyance, they didn't pull that off. So things are not looking really rosy on any front in the OSA world. Not one, not nothing, nothing, not media, not PR, even Marty J world Not one, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 1: 48:17

Not media, not PR, not legal. Even Marty jumped ship. Even Marty jumped ship. Even Marty's working for another team. Now Somebody said Marty found Jesus and he's doing life coaching or something. I was like what, what is going on? Are we in Bizarro World right now? Yep, yep, yep. Oh my goodness, should we do some questions? Sure, okay, let's see here. Yeah, okay, yvonne says so happy for you. Mike, thanks for sharing your wonderful news. Oh, yeah, that's right. You guys did that video, was that yesterday?

Speaker 2: 48:52

Yeah, that was last night. Nice, that's a. That video Was that yesterday? Yeah, that was last night.

Speaker 1: 48:54

Nice, kristi and I. That's a great video. Super Storm Day I got my little Captain Davey doo-doo last week. Oh, goody, goody, if you haven't, I don't have a little thing. Look, you covered mine up. Hold on what? Oh, he's up there. He's in the SPTV corner here. Watch this, there you go. Watch, there you go. Now you can see him. Um, we got, uh, yeah, a little Davey doll up there on the corner. Um, if you haven't gotten your Davey doll, you got to get it quick. Where they're selling out pretty quick, they're selling um very steadily. Um, they kept in, uh, davey pants, whatever we call them. There's so many names now Fake Navy Davy that's my favorite. You can go to the spshopcom and get yourself a fake Navy Davy.

Speaker 1: 49:45

Catherine, catherine, hello, Mark and Mike. I just finished your book, mark. Thank you so much, you've done good. Would love a part two, mike, you're on my list of books to read. Thank you so much. You done good. Would love a part two, mike, you're on my list of books to read. My thank you, catherine. I appreciate it, mrs. Mr, mrs T Rush, t Roosh this is T Roosh. I'm always trying to see if there's some hidden meaning in these names that just look like Mrs T Roosh. Why didn't Andres go to prison for at least tampering with a witness, if not kidnapping?

Speaker 2: 50:19

I actually don't know the answer to that. I think they focused on the higher ups, like the people that got prosecuted by the DOJ were the top of the Guardian's office. Yeah, kind of, not the flunkies. So that's just my supposition, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 50:40

He's a whale now. He's a big high roller in Clearwater Guardian's office agents everywhere. Henning Heldt was the same way. Henning Heldt was in the Guardian's office. I think he was one of the ones that went to prison. Yes, he was. Henning Heldt was the headmaster of the school that I went to, delphi in Los Angeles. He was the headmaster after he got out of prison for infiltrating the United States government. Yep Special qualifications to be a Scientology principal, you have to have at least done some prison time. I guess Mike was Mary Sue's replacement. Well, kind of, actually, yeah, I know that's a good point. Really I was thinking like no, and I was like, actually, he kind of. Was actually, he really kind of. Was you really were Mike, if you think eventually, yeah, yeah, you were that WDC. Oh, so, which is might as well been the Guardians, what do you call it? The Guardians?

Speaker 2: 51:36

CSG CSG Commodore Staff Guardian yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:41

Wow, yeah, good job. Ann Taylor, you're exactly right. We never, even no one's ever, said that before. That's true. It was 100% accurate. Thank you for that Peyton question. Is it true that there is a new org opening in Mexico? If you happen to know, yes, it is true, and they've been building.

Speaker 2: 52:00

No, it's not a new org, it's a new building.

Speaker 1: 52:03

Yeah, but they've been building that thing for like 10 years, 15 years, right? Isn't that the one they couldn't? They wouldn't, Mexico wouldn't allow them to work on for years and years.

Speaker 2: 52:11

Well, that that was the AO, but there was another one, and you know they all have these weird names. But there is a building there. I got a picture of it the other day and you know they're progressing on renovating it. They've done their CGI rendition of it like seven years ago and it is starting to look kind of like the CGI rendition. Finally, but eventually, they'll get that completed. But how long before? I mean, chicago has been sitting there done for two years. Yeah, apparently, port Elizabeth is done and Austin is done. These buildings and they're paying rent To Scientology. Scientology is paying rent to locate these orgs in strip malls somewhere off in Never, never Land, while their building that they have spent tens of millions of dollars to purchase and renovate sits completely empty because David Miscavige can't get there to open the building and they can't hire the staff that will give them enough people to have one person for every four rooms, one person for every four rooms. So this program, this Ideolog program, is the biggest failure in the history of Scientology.

Speaker 1: 53:45

Well, not to mention the fact that even if he did show up and open the org, there's nobody going to go into it. It's going to just sit there and be empty. There's nobody going to go into it. It's going to just sit there and be empty. And, in actual fact, from all the people that have been part of these orgs, that were in a strip mall and then went to the ideal org, if you ask these staff members yeah, if you ask these staff members they had more people coming into the org when it was next to the donut shop in between the the the dog groomer. They had more people coming in when they were in that spot. And when they moved into the big giant building in the middle of nowhere that had no foot traffic, then they stopped getting anybody at all and it was just the handful of people that just come, no matter where they are, they just show up.

Speaker 1: 54:27

You know Yep Professional students. Yeah, I don't know about this one in Mexico. We'll have to find out about that. John Edgecombe, henning and Mary Helt went on Delphi staff after getting booted from GEO. I don't know about a Mary Helt, but I know that Henning Helt was 100% the headmaster of Delphi Los Angeles and then, actually after that, he went on to work for Craig Jensen, who worked at a company called Executive Software that made the disk defragmenter program for Microsoft Windows, and then they called it something else after that. I can't remember, but either way he worked at a big Scientology software company the big Scientology software company that was owned by.

Speaker 2: 55:15

That's because Craig Jensen was the deputy guardian legal for the United States.

Speaker 1: 55:20

You are blowing my mind right now. Craig Jensen, the head of the software company, was also in the guardian's office.

Speaker 2: 55:26

Yes, and he got booted out of the guardian's office for being on watch when they accepted service for L Ron Hubbard.

Speaker 1: 55:34

No way. Yes, so he's literally just been making amends for the last four years.

Speaker 2: 55:40

Well, Craig Jensen, to begin with was not allowed to go onto OTA because of that, Even after he gave millions and millions of dollars. No, that was before he gave millions and millions of dollars. He started giving millions and millions of dollars and then they let him do OTA I think it was the second maiden voyage or something and he showed up and Miscavige saw him and it was like get this guy the fuck out of here. Like seriously. It was like, yes, craig Jensen was like persona non grata, wow.

Speaker 1: 56:18

Until he was done. Yeah, one of his daughters was a Sea Org member for a while.

Speaker 2: 56:22

I know, I know he got back into good graces with enough checks. Wow, no idea. So executive software became the go-to place for ex-Seorg members to be shuffled into, because they would be watched there and they would report to Kirsten. What's happening with Joe Blow? What's happening with Jackson? What's happening with Jackson?

Speaker 1: 56:49

Jackson when he went from security chief in base, he left the Sea Org and he started working at executive software so they could keep tabs on him Even though he wasn't in the Sea Org. They have Scientologists that have companies and they put Sea Org members and that's the other thing. They can pay them almost nothing and it's still a hundred times what they're making in the Sea.

Speaker 2: 57:11

Org. Right, and just to go back, mary Helt was Henning's wife. Yeah, and she was in the Guardian's office US at the same time that Henning Helt was the deputy guardian for the United States and she did end up somewhere at Delphi, but I can't remember where. Huh, you know their daughter, lettie, was the receptionist at the sandcastle.

Speaker 1: 57:37

I know I learned how to drive in letty's car back in 1988. She had a little french le car, a little red le car and a gentleman by the name of jason walker shot, taught me how to drive in a parking lot of the countryside mall one afternoon and it was in lettytie's car. But yes, I knew that Lettie. She joined the Sea Org as soon as she got out of Delphi. She went to Delphi, oregon, right, and I think as soon as she graduated she joined the Sea Org.

Speaker 2: 58:05

But she was never allowed to do any position Because she was Henning's daughter. Because she was Henning's daughter, so she was the receptionist and she was actually a pretty competent, bright girl, easy on the eyes too. Yeah, she was very pretty, I mean anyway.

Speaker 1: 58:22

Unbelievable. So many stories, lisa in the sky. Mu Question Was John Safran ever on COS OSA radar for his Xenu LRH Beck skits in 2004? Would love to see SPTV do react videos on those skits. I've never heard of this. No, me either. I'll have to look into that, lisa. A lot of the spy files that I have are from 2004, 2005, 2006, and I haven't seen anything in there about that, so I haven't searched. I'm not familiar with that name at all. Yeah, we'll have to look. Thank you for the super chat. Anthony Spurgeon blown for good. Scientology exposed.

Speaker 1: 59:02

Who is the head of OSA right now? I think it's Linda Hamill. Linda Hamill, and you know Linda Hamill, you know what? That's exactly right. Linda Hamill did it, um, some kind of something recently, within the last few months she did some. She's made some kind of statement for something and it was like something in a legal case. Yeah, and I remembered that a bunch of the spy files, documents, are from Linda, yes, and I was like, oh, this person is not the person who needs to be writing this. We have so many good documents to cover from her, so I'll have to find that and put them up. Like this is the same person who said this? Okay, the person is like oh, we're all for human rights and it's like we're going to start a war with you if you don't stop talking about us. John Satowski says, Mike, will Christy allow you to eat fudge? Oh, watch out for this, mike. You've got to answer this very quest.

Speaker 2: 59:57

Uh, carefully, uh I don't like fudge this to john. I'm not a fudge eater.

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

Oh he's not a fudge, you know there you go.

Speaker 2: 1:00:06

You know that, mark, I'm not a chocolate. Oh, I know, I'm not at all I'm not.

Speaker 1: 1:00:11

I like brownies but I'm not so big on fudge. But this fudge from Uranus was very good. The best fudge comes from Uranus. John Satowski, thank you very much for that. I guess it's a no-go. On the fudge from Mike John, you got to figure something else out.

Speaker 1: 1:00:29

Okay, Boda29, have you ever read Chaos by Tom O'Neill? Speaks of corruption in LAPD, LA Sheriff's Office, DA office pretends to be shocked during the Manson trial. Wild and intriguing. Huh, I haven't heard of that Me either. At least 15 years that I know of the whole entire time. Um, that I was at the either in Los Angeles on the Hollywood building, uh, Hollywood Mark you. Uh, I adjusted the mic and I muted myself. Um, ever since. Um, that the entire time I was at the end base and when I was in Los Angeles, Lee Baca would almost every year ride in the Scientology's float, the way to happiness float in the Hollywood Christmas parade and wave, and they'd stick. You know whoever it was Sophia, Milos, or you know whoever the celebrity, what's that guy's name? The Pena guy, Michael Pena, or whoever in there with him? Um, yeah, I don't know about this. Uh, tom o'neill, though people are like really throwing all kinds of uh things at us that we don't know about.

Speaker 1: 1:01:43

Rev girl I encourage everyone to write rtckrs. You can actually go to the rtc website, religious technology centerorg, and you can write a knowledge report right on their website. Uh, definitely bag up and use a vpn if you're going to the Scientology's directly to one of their sites, though that's not a good idea to go in unprotected. See my tutorial at rev girl 9. It's easy and we could keep them busy. Oh, so will love the attention. I don't really know if you go to RTC's website and write a KR I I don't really know If you go to RTC's website and write a KR. I don't know how they really handle that. It's probably just kind of it's like a spam.

Speaker 2: 1:02:20

It depends on what it says. If the KR is clearly, you know a joke or an attempt to get their goat, then they will just ignore it. If, on the other hand, one were to go in there and write a carefully worded knowledge report about something that had been observed concerning one of the whales of Scientology, they probably would wonder whether they needed to do some investigation, and that could keep them busy for a while.

Speaker 1: 1:03:00

Yeah, especially if you know something that OSA don't know, right that would be legitimately, that would keep them busy.

Speaker 2: 1:03:08

So there are a bunch of people that have written to me recently saying, well, I worked at this place and I worked at that place and this is what they were doing and this is how they were treating people and this is the the assaults that were occurring and like a lot, a lot of this stuff. And you know, hey, rtc wants to know about that sort of shit.

Speaker 1: 1:03:30

Yeah, they really do. There used to be a $10,000 reward If you knew of a crime that happened within Scientology or within a wise company or something like that, and you reported it and it led, uh like no, it was trademarks and copyrights. If you, if somebody, was misusing um Scientology copyrights or trademarks, it was that.

Speaker 2: 1:03:52

And then there was a policy that says if someone tries to blackmail you for something, yeah, and you turn them in. Yeah, you get a reward for turning them in and we'll deal with the blackmail.

Speaker 1: 1:04:07

Really, yeah, wow, craziness. Free Zinu project of Farsak. So there's no, it's not TGA. This is not the free Zenu project of TGA, this is a Farsec. That's where psychiatrists are born and what planet they come from. Mike, I have a question when you were in OSA, what kind of response would you have gotten from little Davey with his fake space Navy for coming to him? Oh, for say this stream, not good. Yeah. For say this stream, uh, not good, yeah you would. You would essentially have to report. You'd have to do a summary of what we talked about, and it wouldn't be details, it would just be like uh, this guy, mark, mike and mark went over a bunch of they would just say black pr on david, miscaviger on cob, osa would write that and then it would go up to Mike and then Mike would have to kind of say a little further.

Speaker 1: 1:05:03

There was a video. Yeah, there was a video.

Speaker 2: 1:05:05

That was done and there were some taking care of it. We're investigating these guys and everything is in hand. And don't worry, sir, your good name is being preserved at all costs. We're working 24-7 to make sure that these people are put out of business. You know, it's so funny.

Speaker 1: 1:05:27

There was a video. We did a film and I'll probably cover this with Mitch, but we did a film with a girl at Gold. We did a film with an actress at Golden Era Productions and she was in a movie called the Married Couple and we had shot this whole movie with this woman, this actress. And then, when the movie was being edited, dave wrote to me because I was the pre-production director at Golden Era Productions, and he wrote to me and says, hey, why is the girl that you guys just shot this film with, why is she in porn movies on Cinemax at four o'clock in the morning? And I'm like, yeah, why are you watching?

Speaker 2: 1:06:06

Why are you watching?

Speaker 1: 1:06:07

Skinemax at four o'clock in the morning. That's really the million dollar question here.

Speaker 1: 1:06:14

But it was on Cinemax or Showtime or something. It was an X movie that she was in but there was an R version of it that came out on DVD and she handed that in to the talent department and said I was in this video. And she gave the R version and they looked at it and it was like that's not really anything, it's just kind of insinuated activities thing. It's like just kind of insinuated um activities. But the one that david miscavige watched on cinemax, all of that insinuation was there in full technicolor glory and um, and so, um, I had to watch the thing for research purposes, I had to see what he was, what he saw. So I got the version that that he watched and um, and then I just told him I literally just made up oh, that's the last time Cinemax is scheduled to air that thing and it's not gonna. It's not gonna air anymore after this. And um, cause I knew I was like how is this going to keep going? This is not a. He can't keep going down this road. Like, hey, dude, two months ago you told me this wasn't going to be on and I just watched it three more times. You know, like I was like how is this going to not be a thing? How is this even a thing? And um, they aired that movie like another 500 times after I wrote that report anyway, oh my.

Speaker 1: 1:07:32

So I'm pretty sure the osa guys I could see in the spy files. I can see how Kirsten talks to somebody, the person that she talks to in the spy files. They spice up the story a little and they add their in to make themselves look good. Then when Kirsten writes the report, she spices it up a little and then when it goes to Linda, linda adds her little spin to it and then when it gets to you, you take out all the fat and then you summarize it Complete bullshit. And then that's what goes to Dave and I'm like, oh my God, this story was. It's like telephone game, but with like Scientology's mixed in with it. Yep, king Cobra, 357. Nice to see you, mike, up and running. I've had issues watching vids of Mike since the announcement of the Big C. I hope your health is adequate. Yeah, king Cobra, thank you. He did a video yesterday. You gotta get over to his channel and watch that one. Everything's good now, as good as it can be right.

Speaker 2: 1:08:32

Actually, if you're not watching on my channel right now, get out of Headless and come on over to mine. Yeah, king Cobra, mine's much more friendly than Headless.

Speaker 1: 1:08:43

Yeah, his subscribe button is nice and furry, it's like felt. Okay, touch that, rub his little, rub the kitty, rub the kitty. Okay, here we go. Laura, laura Font, please say hi to Lucy. She is having a moment and needs a pick-me-up. Oh, hey, lucy, hi Lucy. Lucy, come on, man, take it easy. It's okay, everything's good, everything will be fine. Yeah, lucy, if there's one thing I've learned after being around so long, everything's going to work out. Okay, it's going to work out. Okay, it's going to work out. Don't get too worked up over anything at any given time here. Thank you for that, laura. Feel better, lucy, amelia Seven super chat. Awesome Super sticker. Thank you, you can ask a question next time if you want.

Speaker 1: 1:09:29

Mex AO got a dig permit for one million cuffed of dirt. Cubic feet, oh, cubic feet of dirt. Mex AO got a dig permit for one million cubic feet of dirt. I'm telling you they're just pouring money. It would be one thing if they were stealing the money and then they were spending it on like rehoming the homeless or, you know, reintegrating all these abandoned Scientologists back into society. They're literally just building buildings that no one ever goes into and no one ever does anything. It's just a giant waste of everybody's time and money.

Speaker 1: 1:10:03

Keisha Mark has been fishing again. How was the catch, keisha? We saw a ton of mountain. What are they called Bullhorn sheep? We saw an otter. We got four nibbles. No catches. This is a hotspot spot for us. Last time we got seven fish and, yes, that is why I'm so red. I've been fishing with my, my youngest son, all day today. And, um, and I wore my sunglasses up like this because I didn't want to get raccoon eyes, and so I got raccoon eyes here and here, and so that didn't work out the way I planned at all. And um, it was supposed to be really cold and it ended up being kind of sunny and I was unprepared. Sorry about that. Sorry, I'm so red. In a few days I'll be good again. Jennifer M questioned does anyone question the reaction and thoughts of DM are very paranoid? Well— no, nobody questions that. No one questions it. It does seem that he's paranoid. Even when we were there, he would tell us we were suppressives, a few times a week at least. I'm pretty sure he would threaten to disband the property.

Speaker 1: 1:11:06

Yeah, we were always out to get him. Everybody was out to get him is that? If he got given a water bottle and the top even looked suspect, like it had been cracked and resealed or something, he would literally just throw it to the side and be like give me another one. And I thought, like you think we're going to open up your water, you think that's how it's going to go down? I was like I'm pretty sure, when it happens, it ain't going to be the water bottle.

Speaker 2: 1:11:38

Or one of those stupid protein bars that he used to eat. Oh yeah, pure. Was it pure protein? What were they called? I can't remember what they were called. I remember the water, but I don't remember the name. Yeah, but the and, and they would be uh like, carefully prepared but not actually fully opened.

Speaker 1: 1:11:51

Yes, but like ready to be readily open, actually easily open yes, I remember that too.

Speaker 1: 1:11:59

It was such a weird thing. You know, when David Miscavige would come because he would have meetings in my workspace like the place where I was my jobs to have a meeting, he would meet in that conference room where I was supposed to have my meetings, was supposed to have my meetings, so and it was. There was an L Ron Hubbard policies that said I had to have certain meetings every week and every during a film, and we had to have these certain things, and if we didn't do it, inevitably Dave would be the one that would light us up for not doing it, and so he would meet in the place where we were supposed to do it, and then we couldn't meet there. But a little SWAT team would come in the conference room before he'd get there and they there'd be cigarettes and waters and ashtrays and you know, the trash would be emptied and they would. They would literally go through the whole room and make it ready, and if there was a smell in that room that they couldn't deal with, then that meeting would get moved to another room. It'd be like, oh, there's just something not right in here and it would be like, okay, it's going to be in the other place and you'd be like, oh, we got to go to another building because there's a stink in this one. But, uh, yeah, no, they do. Uh, he is very paranoid. Vanderella, are ashton kutcher and his wife scientologist? I don't think they are. I just think that, um, they're very, um, they're very knowledgeable of danny masterson's uh goings-ons and other probably unoptimum going-ons that they were involved with over the years. That's what that's my from they, from the, from the people that I've spoken to, um, that is, uh, that's what's going on.

Speaker 1: 1:13:32

Donna rose, any update on bob ferris? Um, the only update that we have is that he is still alive and that has been confirmed. Right, that was really the last thing. He is now claiming to no longer want to see anybody, or not need to see anybody, even though they were looking for him feverishly a few months ago and they didn't know where he was. And now, all of a sudden, uh, he's back there and he's totally fine. Matt elliott maa. So, sptv canada uh, mark's on the tv, mike render on the computer, and it's 22 hours. From stockholm, sweden, to east grinstead holy moly, 22 hours. I knew it, I knew it, it was, it was. I took a train.

Speaker 2: 1:14:18

But Stockholm's further away than Malmo. Okay but I mean, I took.

Speaker 1: 1:14:23

I know, but I was in Copenhagen and I had to take a train to Malmo to get some speakers and it was like hours and hours just to get to Malmo.

Speaker 2: 1:14:32

Hours and hours to get to Malmo from. I'm pretty sure it was Maybe two.

Speaker 1: 1:14:39

What's on the other side of the flying, what's on the flying boat when you go from Denmark to Sweden? What's that? Malmo or Gothenburg? Yeah, gothenburg. And then when I got to Gothenburg, then I had to take a train to Malmo. It was at least three hours, I think, okay, there was no bridge. Malmo, it was at least three hours, I think, okay, there was no bridge. All right, well, whatever, 22 hours is a long bus ride.

Speaker 2: 1:14:59

Those poor suckers are getting a $20 bus ride to hell.

Speaker 1: 1:15:05

You couldn't pay me. You couldn't pay me $2,000 to get on that bus. That's a long time. Now I'm doing the math, I'd probably charge you $10,000 for that trip. I'm trying to think now. Now I'm doing the math, I'd probably charge you 10K for that trip. Matt's Caustic comments. Mark, I made an unboxing video for Fake Navy Davey. I won on Denver Stevo chat. He runs into trouble with Mike Rinder bobblehead. Please check it out. Okay, where do I see it? You got to send me a link or something. I made an unboxing video I. You got to send me a link or something. I made an unboxing video. I want to. Okay, I'll look. You got to send me a link. Send us where it is. Yeah, maybe just type in fake Navy unboxing. Sherry, alex was not asking for whole road closed for the whole time, just the time that they are marching down from starting point to the final destination.

Speaker 2: 1:15:54

Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I get that destination. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I get that too. That could well be granted. Yeah, we'll see. It's just like a 10 or 15 minute time.

Speaker 1: 1:16:03

Yeah, but even the fact that there's a protest happening during the event, that's a huge flap, don't worry, that alone is an RPF assignment, just that part. If that guy gets the road closed, it's just the number of people that fall into this hole is going to depend on what actually happens that day. Right, exactly, free Zinu project to Farsack. Do you think Boss Baby Davey realizes when he keeps putting OSA members in the hole or wherever no one can man SPTV, or wherever no one can man SPTV?

Speaker 2: 1:16:34

I don't. He doesn't care about that sort of shit. That's someone else's problem to deal with.

Speaker 1: 1:16:39

Yeah, I really don't think the only thing that I know, mike, that I that I was going to ask you about is usually, when these sort of things happen, the pressure that gets put on people is what makes them pop. So, like you were, you were assigned to John Sweeney um, cause he was doing that show for panorama and it was going to be a big flap and he'd already talked to a bunch of us. You're still on the inside. He's already talking to a bunch of SPs. He's already got, he already knows, we already know, it's not going to be the best show Scientology's ever seen. And he sent you to go deal with it. And then he didn't like what you did. And then he basically told you you're toast. When you get back here, you're toast. No, he told me I'm not coming back there. Okay, so he told you you weren't coming back. And so this essentially, you now have nothing to lose, right? That's exactly right.

Speaker 1: 1:17:38

You go, okay, I'm not going to see my um, my kids, ever again. I'm not going to see my wife ever again, and I, if I, if I, if I stay here, then I will never make it back there. He will make sure, and you know that he will do this because you've seen him do it to other people. He just disappears, people. And then you think, oh, I'm going to get back, I'm going to.

Speaker 1: 1:17:58

But you know you're never getting back. It's never, you're. You've, you've already tried his last, uh, patience, his last little bit, and it's never going to work out. And so then you go, okay, I'm out, and that's what happened to me. It's like, oh, I'm not going to ever see Claire again, I'm never going to be able to speak to my family again. So it's like, okay, peace out, I'm done, this is, I'm not, I'm not going to play it, I'm not going to play. If we're not going to play it fair, well then I'm not going to play, I'm going to leave, I'm going to take my ball, I'm going to go, I'm leaving, exactly. So usually that happens when these things lawsuits and TV shows and magazine articles and Danny.

Speaker 2: 1:18:38

Masterson, when the flaps get bigger, the pressure gets hotter and the people who are under that pressure tend to explode.

Speaker 1: 1:18:52

Yeah, they can't take it anymore. You can only go, you can only put up with the nonsense for so long, and then you're just like you know what. Nothing's worth this. My future, eternity is not worth this nonsense.

Speaker 2: 1:19:05

Yep, I'll trade a night of sleep and a good meal for my future eternity right about now.

Speaker 1: 1:19:11

Exactly and no nonsense. Just the lack of nonsense is therapeutic. Yep Question how can therapists better understand and work with cult survivors? You know there's we've the aftermath has found some good therapists that have helped people when they leave, I think you have to go to a therapist that deals with that type of with I don't know how you call it case or person or scenario. I don't know how you word that, but if you're looking for somebody, contact the Aftermath, go to theaftermathfoundationorg. Go to theaftermathfoundationorg and we know of the therapists that can do that. I wouldn't be able to tell you what the therapist should do. It's just being knowledgeable in high control groups and cults. Um, there are therapists that are. That's what they do. Yep, Thank you. Woodstock code monkey. Thank God OSA is incompetent. I hate to ask, Mike, but what would have happened if you were in the c org when you received your cancer diagnosis?

Speaker 2: 1:20:20

um, a pts handling to find out who I was connected to and then a lot of knots auditing to find the bts that were being the cancer that is not stands for new era for ots right new era dynamics for for OTs right New Era.

Speaker 1: 1:20:35

Dianetics for OTs and that's where you uh, you deal with the BTs. Again, people, I do not recommend this. It's a giant waste of time. Get those BTs working for you. Bts activate as soon as I figure out this BT thing and I get it going. They're going to help me catch fish the next time we go. Okay, those BTs are going to work for me.

Speaker 2: 1:21:01

You got a thumbs up for that.

Speaker 1: 1:21:03

I know I did a thumbs up and it did it.

Speaker 2: 1:21:05

It was like yeah, good job, there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:21:08

Those BTs are going to work for me, yep, and they're going to help me catch some fish. Uh, emma louise tennyson, uh question will the totem totem, totem totem ham, tottenham, tottenham court road, tottenham court road scientology shop be shut for the event? I used to work opposite and was definitely a family who ran the shop, and I'm so intrigued. Um, this is definitely apostate alex, uh territory, but um, no, I don't think they would close it. They just leave like one or two people there?

Speaker 2: 1:21:43

Yeah, one or two, in case one of them fell asleep.

Speaker 1: 1:21:47

Question how many people do you think will show up for the IAS event? I mean, if they get as many as they want, it's going to be in the 4,000 to 5,000 range the amount of people that are going to show up and attend the event. Not all of those people are going to be the whales. There's going to be a bunch of whales there, but probably 4,500 of those people are going to be just bodies.

Speaker 2: 1:22:14

Yeah, they're going to be. The staff from all the orgs in Europe, yeah, and the public that don't have anything else to do with their life, who can take a few days and catch a bus to go to Seattle for 20 euros and that'll be it. They will get that number of people and that'll be it. They will get that number of people. It used to be that they didn't really have to work very hard to get that number of people.

Speaker 2: 1:22:51

Nowadays, they have been working on this for months and months and months, and the phone calls and the pressure to confirm people who are going to be at the event is, I am sure, absolutely out of this world. People are probably getting 10 phone calls a day to confirm them that they are going to be at the event. So they'll fill the place with, or at least make it look like it's full. They'll fill the front of it. They'll fill the front with, or at least make it look like it's full. Yeah, they'll fill the front of it. They'll fill the front. At the very least they may fill the whole tent. And Europe is a pretty sad state of affairs when it comes to this organization that claims 11,000 organizations, groups, missions, whatever, and millions of millions all over the world growing at exponential rates.

Speaker 1: 1:23:52

I can't believe they're still touting the millions of members thing. I'm like they still say this. I know.

Speaker 2: 1:24:00

It's ridiculous. They spend months scraping together 5,000. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:24:08

And they might not even do that Right. I know that's the scary part. If they don't even get the 5,000,'t even get the 5 000, it's going to be like, oh boy well you will.

Speaker 2: 1:24:19

You'll be able to tell whether there's any reverse angle shots from the event oh yeah, no, there's not.

Speaker 1: 1:24:25

That's never a good shot, never even when we would do events at the shrine.

Speaker 2: 1:24:29

It's like never never tilt up to the balcony, yeah, never tilt up to the balcony, never tilt up to the balcony.

Speaker 1: 1:24:35

And you go up there. There's kids running around there with balloons and shit and you're like, oh shit, go six, go, camera six. No, don't show that. Joshua Armenta, the mix I don't know how to say that but the org, the Mexico org, is the new IO, not new building. I don't even know what an IO is. I-l-o no. Ideal org, oh, ideal org, not new building.

Speaker 2: 1:25:06

Oh, okay. Well, there's a few orgs in Mexico City. One maybe they're renovating the building that they already had. I don't really know. I don't know. People in Mexico know better than building that they already had. I don't really know, I don't know. People in Mexico know better than me.

Speaker 1: 1:25:20

Yeah, sorry I haven't been down there in a while, at least not to the Org. Yeah, exactly, we did go to, we did. Yeah, I was going to say not too much detail there. Kat Mediats, it makes me so happy to see that a troll doll on my shelf. That troll doll on my shelf Way to take your power back. Kudos to all of you for doing just that. Thank you, kat, we appreciate it. Yeah, I don't know how Dave's going to react. What does Osa do about the troll doll? That's also just like another weird, stupid thing that Osa should have never let happen. Maria de Jesus Gutierrez says who at gold slash it got sent to the hole. Someone asked Sterling if he was, but I thought he wasn't high ranking enough. Who was Mike Claire Amy?

Speaker 2: 1:26:10

I put a list on my blog at one point, Maria, of everybody that I could recall that was in the hole. I think if you just search hole list, there was more like 140 people. It was not just it started as executives, it ended up being anybody.

Speaker 1: 1:26:28

Yeah, and I actually put a list on Operation Clan Bank back in 2006. That was one of the posts that are in the spy files. Was me listing out all these people who got locked up? It wasn't really called the Hole in 2004. It was just you went up to CMO Ant and you just never left. It wasn't called the Hole, it was just called shit. I'm stuck here for a few days. We didn't have a name for it, we just knew it sucked and then later on it became kind of known as the hole, but um, what's that then?

Speaker 1: 1:27:05

it had a sign yeah, then it had a sign only carved wooden sign.

Speaker 1: 1:27:08

Yeah, what is it? What's the quote? A hole? No, I know, I know, but wasn't there an l ron hubbard quote that says, uh, uh. Jb said there's an l ron hubbard quote that says JB said there's an L Ron Hubbard quote only an individual, when he gets up to cause or something, can dig himself out of the hole that he's gotten himself in, or something like that. And you're just like, oh really, so you made a place, you call it the hole, and then you put me in it, but I'm the only one who can causatively get myself out of it. Yep, amy Scobie. Oh, she did officer training at the Freewinds with Matt. That must be Maddie.

Speaker 2: 1:27:42

Letta, oh, letta Letty.

Speaker 1: 1:27:43

Helt. Yes, wow, there you go, thank you, amy. Yeah, I like Letty. Donna Rose, is it possible to see Ben coming slash going to work?

Speaker 2: 1:27:54

No, no, they drive buses. Everybody gets in the bus at the Hacienda which is behind the fences, and it's the cameras and the wire and et cetera, et cetera. They get driven in and they get off the bus and go straight into the building.

Speaker 1: 1:28:10

So for those of you who don't know, Ben Ben Rinder is Mike's son and he works in Clearwater. He did. I don't know if he still does. He still does, he still does.

Speaker 2: 1:28:20

Well, one of the people that was talking to Matt said well, Ben's no longer a chef, he's working in the engineering division now.

Speaker 1: 1:28:30

Probably because they don't want people public interfacing with him in the dining room and being able to take pictures with him, like people have done. Yes, interfacing with him in the dining room and being able to take pictures with him like people have done.

Speaker 1: 1:28:40

Yes, Dr X. What I have concluded from SPTV is that DM is the one in the group who does nothing slash, can't get anything done, but takes the credit when it goes right, blames people when things go to shit seems nothing gets done when he's in charge. You got it, you. I mean you've graduated, that's why you're a professor.

Speaker 2: 1:28:59

Yeah, that's it. This is why you're a professor, Dr X.

Speaker 1: 1:29:04

She watched 50 videos and she got. She's like oh, I get it, I get it. I see what's going on here. That is 100%. He complains the entire time you're trying to do work and the only thing he does is distract you from the work. And then, when the work doesn't get done on time, he gets someone else to finish it for you, yells at you that he had to do it all himself and then, uh, you know, goes up on stage and tells you about what he did and you're just like I had it.

Speaker 1: 1:29:30

If you would have just let me that last two percent, I could have taken it all the way home there. Oh, that's awesome. Maria de Jesus Gutierrez. Lee Baca is in prison. That's correct. Yeah, I forgot to tell you the punchline of the Lee Baca story. He was a corrupt sheriff and he was Scientology's sheriff for many, many years and then he ended up going to jail Ironically, not for the Scientology stuff For some other prison. What was it there? It was in the prison system in downtown la corruption right, unbelievable.

Speaker 1: 1:30:06

oh, david's here. Hey, dave, captain, davy himself, my alter ego, david miscavige, is the world's shortest human trafficking cult leader. Oh gosh. Well, thank you for that, david Miscavige. We appreciate it. See, that's when you know you got problems. Oh, so screenshot this one. It's even got Dave's headshot in the thumbnail. I mean, what are we doing here? This is like this is this is we're in. This is some kind of bizarro world we're in Diane Fry. Thank you for the super sticker.

Speaker 1: 1:30:38

Laura question have you considered putting a flap on Davy Navy so that we can make it into a dog toy ourselves? Make a flap, we can add the squeaker. Oh, oh, I see you could call it the Davy flapper, the Davy flapper. You know it's hard to customize these things when you're trying to make a lot of them and every time you add a little thing or add this, or it just drives the cost up. But we're trying to get them quick and down and dirty and raise some money for the Aftermath Foundation. So we just made them as simple as possible. You know, there wasn't even any revisions. They sent that thing to me and I was like looks great. And then Claire's like what about the hair? The hair is not even his color and I was like, okay, we can adjust the hair. And then they adjusted the hair and it still wasn't the right color.

Speaker 2: 1:31:27

I'm like, we're good, okay, the fact that he has a frumpy butt and he's all weird. That's what Leah said to me the other day. She said why didn't you make it with the big bouffant on top top? They kind of come like you know, this is a thing. Yeah, you get these things from china. I mean, it's like look at his ears easy his ears.

Speaker 1: 1:31:46

They don't go backwards, they go forward. It's like they put the ears on backwards, like you know. Like like that, they don't flap back, they flap forward. And I thought, yeah, so so he can hear better. I don't know. You know, like I'm thinking I think it's hilarious, it's like the one it says he's listening for all the conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1: 1:32:10

That's right. He's got to have his ears this way to be able to hear all the noise at him. But it's. It's a better representation than the bobblehead they made of you. Mine looks mine looks more like him than their bobblehead does look like you. So I was like you know what? It's good enough, okay, yeah and it's life.

Speaker 2: 1:32:30

Those of you who don't know, the bobblehead that they made of me was the inspiration for the bobblehead that we made, or that Mark made of me.

Speaker 1: 1:32:42

Yeah so this bobblehead.

Speaker 2: 1:32:44

They made a bobblehead, he's all seen it out Was intended. They put it in one of their stupid videos about how I was just a yes man for Leah, videos about how I was just a yes man for Leah and they had this bobblehead sitting there supposedly me wearing a cardigan or something.

Speaker 1: 1:33:06

What was it, mark? Like a sweater? Yeah, it was a weird sweater and I was like Mike. First of all, mike doesn't wear sweaters. I've never seen Mike wear a sweater and it didn't even look like Mike. And I was like, and I asked Mike, as soon as they somebody tweeted or something, oh this is what Scientology has up. And it was a bobblehead going like that. I was like who's that supposed to be? And they're like. I was like, oh, that's supposed to be Mike Rinder. And I thought, oh my God, they're geniuses.

Speaker 1: 1:33:26

And so then we made this guy and this looks I mean, that's a pretty good Mike. You got to say it is pretty good for a Mike Rinder. And so this whole thing was their idea. They started bobbleheads, which then led to fake Navy dolls, so this is all kind of. You know, this is Dave. I guarantee you Dave's the one who said the bobblehead thing, because that was a several hundred dollar bobblehead that somebody won off yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:33:57

And so Dave said we should make a bobblehead of him and then we'll shoot the video. Ha, ha, ha ha. And now look, it happened, dave.

Speaker 2: 1:34:04

Yeah, same thing with SPTV. Okay, we've only got with Scientology TV.

Speaker 1: 1:34:09

That's true, that's true. Ours is so much better, though. Their content is trash, lisa. Their content is trash Lisa, gillespie, gillespie, gillespie. The look in your eyes, mike, telling the black male double inside mole program priceless, so nice. Your sonorous voice, is that a word? Yeah, sonorous, sonorous voice and smiling face are back, mark, oh, full of sonic, full of sound. Full, full of round, nice sound tonight on smooth hits we bring you sonorous tv with lloyd sure what is scientology's obsession with abbreviations?

Speaker 1: 1:35:00

Holy moly, we don't even get into it here. I define most of the abbreviations we use here, but in Scientology, you can get into a word sandwich with somebody and you guys could rattle off hundreds of abbreviations. They rattle off hundreds of abbreviations and that's a high-control group sign when they make the language coded and so other people can't understand. That's a high-control group sort of scenario. That is common. Yep, they make up their own language and words. Okay, we've got to hurry up, mark, we've got a lot more to go. Doris Azevedo, mike just purchased your book on Audible Mark. We've got to hurry up, mark, we've got a lot more to go. Doris Azevedo, mike just purchased your book on Audible Mark. You'd is next. Love you guys. I think you're all so courageous. Well, thank you, doris. We appreciate it. Hope you enjoy the book.

Speaker 1: 1:35:48

Yes, what is with Scientology obsession with abbreviations? We covered that, melissa. Thank you, king Cobra. Again. Mom passed away from the big C back in 2018 and another five or so coworkers and acquaintances has passed away since then, so that gives me issues. I understand, king Cobra. Yeah, well, thank you for that. We appreciate it. Sorry, you lost those people to the big C. Big C is no fun. My father also passed from the big C. Salty Beach Girl Lori Finally blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2: 1:36:21

Did you rip out a blah blah blah? You missed it. And I did it very slowly too, I missed it totally Blah blah blah. Not blah blah, blah, a blah blah blah.

Speaker 1: 1:36:34

Mark, buy some SPF sunscreen. It's for SPs, right, mike, Exactly. To tell you the truth, I did not think I was going to get any sun, it was just. It was a kind of a. It's been very cold here lately and it just got really hot just today. Kenny the editor, mike, I'm curious about the balls the Guardian's office had by infiltrating the government, especially that this all happened right after or during watergate.

Speaker 2: 1:37:01

Yes, you're exactly right, I mean, but realize that those people, and scientologists in general, believe that they're just doing what ron said to do and it doesn't it. It's like it's not a matter of whether you're you've got balls or not, it's just a matter of, hey, he said to do it, so we do it, yeah, and it's like it has to be done robotically, idiotically, um, unthinking. There's no thought that goes into these things. It's just there's no thought that goes into these things. It's just Ron said this is what we need to do, so we're doing it. It's a blindfold.

Speaker 1: 1:37:42

It'll all be okay, blindfully following whatever they say to you. That's the scary part of OSA is that if Dave says to do something, it's going to get done. They're either going to do it themselves. The only difference now between OSA and the Guardian's office is that the Guardian's office, they did the deeds themselves, like Scientologists did the deeds. The OSA, they direct the deeds and they get private investigators or lawyers or henchmen or shady cats or hackers. They have cutouts doing the stuff. So if somebody gets lit up the guy that hacked Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega he went to jail but he didn't give up. Who hired him? But he went to jail.

Speaker 1: 1:38:32

In your opinion, how does little DM Napoleon work? His weird ugly Work his weird ugly? I don't know what that means. I'm sorry, lisa, but I don't know what that means. If that's code for something, I definitely don't know what it means and I don't know how he works his weird ugly. David Miscavige is kind of an enigma, I think. I personally. He makes even when you're there and you're doing stuff and you're trying to get stuff done, he makes sometimes the worst possible decision at the worst possible time and somehow he makes sense of it all and you're just sitting there like we just wasted four million dollars. I'm not sure how you're going to make this come out in your head like you did something right. This was a giant disaster. Yep, diana B. Hey Osa, who see this? Come on. Oh my God, diana, if you're going to do it, you got to like just take an extra second. I don't know what that says. Hey Osa, who sees this? Come on, we out. We here for you. Come on out, we're here for you.

Speaker 2: 1:39:36

There you go. Hey Osa, anybody who sees this, come on out, we're here for you.

Speaker 1: 1:39:40

There you go. Diane B. Diana B, mike is your whisperer. Okay, thank you. Yeah, osa. Thank you, diana. Sorry I butchered that. Did Lisa Marie live in Scientology's sponsored house when she lived in England? No, no, thank you for that, Kathy. Lisa Marie had dough. She could afford a house there. I think she actually. Yeah, I'm not going to say anything more because I don't know what I know and how I know it, dave Wheelhauer. Mike, did you consider going to Sweeney for help?

Speaker 2: 1:40:17

No, I didn't. I went to my old friends, ex-members that were already out.

Speaker 2: 1:40:25

Tom and Biddy and Ronnie and Sarah and Jim and all those guys. And then, interestingly, I did go to Sweeney eventually, but not for help but to sort of make good for what I had done on the previous show. Williamsburg, virginia, and I was selling cars there at a Toyota dealership and the producer of John Sweeney's segment, sarah Mull, showed up at the car dealership to talk to me out of the blue. She flew all the way from England to come and ask me if I would now do. She heard that I had left it. She tracked me down If I would now do an interview with them and I said, sarah, I'm not ready, but when I am ready you will be the first person that I come to and I did, and there is a second panorama Scientology and.

Speaker 1: 1:41:29

I use the intro clip from for his channel introduced many of my videos. Anyway, yeah, that's another thing which which I was thinking about when we were talking about that earlier. Not only did you not handle Sweeney, but you were on the second show he did.

Speaker 2: 1:41:47

How did?

Speaker 1: 1:41:48

that's a David. That's what that entire scenario was created by David Miscavige, personally, right. The reason Mike is here is because of David Miscavage. Personally, right, the reason mike is here is because of david mizcavage. The reason I am here is because of david mizcavage and claire and the reason claire's here is because, and christy, all these people, david, mizcavage did something.

Speaker 1: 1:42:07

Yeah, he did something and, and there was a chain reaction and it caused us to leave. However, we left, and in in most cases, we were slaying it, like in terms of his lieutenants. We were top shelf and so when we left, there was not another person to fill that hole, and that's what's happening right now is David Miscavige is chasing off all of his loyal lieutenants, one by one over the years, and those people are now going. Oh, I'm not what David Miscavige said. I was, and now it's causing problems for David Miscavige. Who could Rathbun possibly be life coaching, though? That is a very good question, honey bunny, and I'm not sure that Marty even knows the answer to that question.

Speaker 2: 1:42:56

Well, maybe we'll do a little program about that.

Speaker 1: 1:42:59

Yeah, we'll get back to you on that one. We'll get back to you. We haven't seen any of the success stories coming out of the Wrathbone life coaching seminars yet. Eight points of OutRFactor. Thank you for the super sticker. Eight points of OutRFactor. That's so bizarre of a name. Fat cat's heaven. I was in the rpf in 82. Are there c org who never get sent? I've never. I've never been to the rpf, um, but I was about to go when I got got, when I got out of dodge I said I'm gtfo and out of here.

Speaker 1: 1:43:34

Um, I was on my way to the rpf. This is t T Roosh. You skipped my other super chat. I have not skipped a single super chat, and I even actually remember reading yours, mrs T Roosh, because I struggled over, was it, mrs T? Mr T's, mrs T Roosh? And I did rush, rush, and Mike corrected me the last time too. So there you go. Thank you for that. You could have just asked the same question, but I'm pretty sure we covered that. Tassie devil.

Speaker 1: 1:44:05

Here we go, mark, you get sunburned from the reflection off the water, even if it's cold. But then you grew up in a cult. Yeah, I know, I figured that out today. I'm not a fisherman. Okay, I'm not a fisherman. Okay, I'm not doing a lot. This fishing thing is new. Yeah, well, because I don't. I'm not doing a lot of water sports these days. Um, you used to do jet skiing all the time I did, yeah, but I wasn't, but I was tan and I wouldn't get burned. I would just be just dark, dark, dark, dark, dark. Okay, oh, my god davy's back again. David Miscavige, my alter ego. David may very well be a schizophrenic with borderline personality disorder. He clearly needs psychiatric medications.

Speaker 2: 1:44:43

Yeah, big Pharma needs to step in to give him a hand.

Speaker 1: 1:44:47

That's also very funny. When I first left and I found out L Ron Hubbard passed away with psychiatric medicine in him, I was like, oh my goodness, that's the biggest hypocrite in the world. Salty Beach Girl Lori says mind blown, my son goes to college in Williamsburg. Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:45:03

William and Mary College. Probably, probably, it's the big one there. It's really beautiful. It's a beautiful campus, one of the oldest universities in the United States. Mark's famous Christy Colbran. Mark's max famous saying I'm not a scientist that's right, I'm not a scientist.

Speaker 1: 1:45:23

Yeah, I used to say that for a long time, like if somebody said something like hey, you can't put uh, you can't put bleach with soap, you're gonna make mustard gas. But what do I know? I'm not a scientist. Take it easy there. Okay, I'm just trying to clean a sink here. There's some bleach in there and there's some soap in there. I'm sorry, I didn't try to bomb everybody out. Um, that's right, I remember I used to say that all the time. I should bring that back.

Speaker 2: 1:45:46

I used to bring that back. I'm not a scientist. Yeah, that's a good one, I like that.

Speaker 1: 1:45:53

I love that christy remembers that I'm not a scientist um okay, I have a lot of advice here.

Speaker 2: 1:45:59

Tip put sunscreen in the tackle box. I love that Christy remembers that I'm not a scientist. Oh, you've got a lot of advice here. Tip put sunscreen in the tackle box.

Speaker 1: 1:46:05

Just don't use it to put on the hook. Yeah, you know what's the silliest part of that? We had sunscreen. We had it. It was in the bag with the other stuff.

Speaker 2: 1:46:14

I just, we were just having fun. Salty Beach Girl Lurie yeah, Second oldest behind Harvard chartered by the King of England there you go, look at that, see, I know my shit about Williamsburg man.

Speaker 1: 1:46:24

Mike knows a lot about a lot of things. When we go places he'd be like oh yeah, we're down here and over here on K Street. And then he's just like, oh my God, how do you know all this? Thank you for that salty beach girl. Um, I think that's it. We got all the uh super chats. Um, let's take care of some uh housekeeping here before we uh, before we tie a bow on this thing um no housekeeping, what I'm done.

Speaker 2: 1:46:48

I'm done with my chores for today, um I did the dishes mark bunker.

Speaker 1: 1:46:54

mark bunker is running for clearwater city council and Scientology are going to do everything in their power to make sure that he doesn't win, and so we are really trying to make sure that whatever we can do to support Mark Bunker.

Speaker 2: 1:47:13

I like that little thing. How show you the way?

Speaker 1: 1:47:17

Anyway, if you go to MarkBunker2024.com, you can donate to his campaign. You can donate from anywhere in the United States. As far as I know, I think there is a limit of $1,000 per person, per company, per organization or whatever that can donate. But if you can throw him $20, if you can throw him $5, if you can throw them $50, whatever, we've got to get the word out and make sure that every single possible person votes.

Speaker 1: 1:47:41

Clearwater is sort of all these places they open up all over the world. They don't mean anything really to Scientology. Scientology doesn't care about them. Scientology doesn't care what happens in Buffalo, they don't care what happens in Mexico, they don't care what happens in any of those places. The place they care about is Clearwater and that's why they've been trying to run everybody out of downtown Clearwater for all these years. It's because they just want their little island there and they want to be able to bring Scientologists there and have a perfect experience for the Scientologists that come there. Who spends millions and millions of dollars. So the fact that they can't get anybody on that city council to do exactly what they want them to do is sort of a big deal, and Mark Bunker is pretty much one of the main reasons why they're not allowed to get away with a lot really down in Cleveland.

Speaker 2: 1:48:29

He is absolutely unafraid and he doesn't play it for jokes.

Speaker 2: 1:48:38

He's not there doing a shtick. He is absolutely serious about making sure that Scientology's malevolent influence over the city of Clearwater does not go unchecked. Clearwater does not go unchecked and he is basically the only reason, apart from the St Tampa Bay Times and Tracy McManus that that happens. And it's really important that he stay on the city council because, even though he's only one voice, that voice being raised makes a difference, because it shames the other people or or exposes the other people to not be able to just quietly roll over and play dead. Because he makes it clear this is what's really going on here and if you go and agree with this then you are selling your soul to the devil. And without that voice this stuff just goes on under the rug, sneaking around kind of stuff, and he brings it to everybody's attention. So he is absolutely invaluable to the city of Clearwater. I cannot stress it enough. He must get reelected. He must remain the voice of you know, the only voice who will speak up about what's really going on in Clearwater vis-a-vis Scientology.

Speaker 1: 1:50:12

Yeah, he also makes it very uncomfortable for those other council members to play nice with scientology, because they know they're going to get called out for it. They 100 know if they do any underhanded or any backroom deals, it's going to get found out and mark will bring it up. I mean he brought up one with a video that we did with rosemary. I know he brought it up at the city council meeting.

Speaker 2: 1:50:36

I was like ouch, I was just saying, you know, yeah, whatever, he is a vital, vital part of Clearwater surviving Scientology. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1: 1:50:57

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Speaker 1: 1:51:48

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Speaker 2: 1:52:41

anything. You didn't have to show me that one.

Speaker 1: 1:52:42

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Speaker 2: 1:52:49

Like, subscribe. Well, that's blah blah blah for his channel, not for mine. Mine is not blah blah blah. Like and subscribe to my channel Click blah blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1: 1:52:57

Click all the buttons, hit the things, hit the knobs. Oh, you know, I figured out how to do this the other day and now, oh, here it is. Look. So, claire, doesn't there's? You can do. Um, you can do like different effects and stuff in your videos and um, so, like when I like when I did that little thumb thing, it'll do it when you do this. I don't know how to make the different things do it, but I figured out there's a place where I can just make them do them whatever I want. I don't have to say anything or do anything and it'll just do these random things.

Speaker 2: 1:53:33

You look like a teenager when you do that shit. Yeah, I don't. It's literally built in to something.

Speaker 1: 1:53:42

I don't know, even know what it's built into, um, anyway. But um, that's enough messing around for today. Guys, thanks for joining us, thanks for watching uh, the video all the way to the end and um, we're going to. We've got spy files coming up. We got, uh, got Scientology film reviews coming up. There's so much happening in the world of SPTV that we're actually having to figure out who's going to do what, because we have too many things to cover, I know.

Speaker 2: 1:54:11

And we've got the whole Aftermath fundraiser coming in. Boy, do we have a lot of stuff for that?

Speaker 1: 1:54:24

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Speaker 2: 1:54:58

And we don't do them that often that you're going to get harassed constantly with dinging on your phone.

Speaker 1: 1:55:03

Yeah, mike's putting out maybe two or three videos a week on his channel. I'm putting out maybe two or three videos a week on my channel. It's not that many. Come on, hit the subscribe, hit the like, don't be dumb, give me some. Anyway, thanks for joining us today, mike. We appreciate it Okay buddy. Okay, let's get it, let's get an outro here. Bye guys, until next time.

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