Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Confessions, Surveillance, and Betrayal: How Scientology Uses Your Darkest Secrets Against You - Scientology Secrets #3
The inner workings of Scientology's intricate information collection system reveal how members' private confessions become public entertainment for staff and executives.
• Information collected through auditing sessions, ethics interviews, written confessions (O/Ws), and knowledge reports
• Personal information stored in multiple folder types: PC folders, ethics folders, personnel folders, student folders, and Central Files
• L. Ron Hubbard's policies dictate that no documents should ever be destroyed – a high crime in Scientology
• David Miscavige regularly shares members' sexual confessions and financial issues during meetings for entertainment
• Despite folders being marked "confidential," information is freely shared among staff and used to manipulate members
• When members leave Scientology, their folder contents are weaponized against them through selective disclosure
• Tom Cruise's auditing sessions were secretly recorded against his wishes
• Executives must report confessions that can be leveraged for donations or services
• Video recording of sessions includes multiple camera angles capturing meter readings, facial expressions, and reactions
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Scientology Secrets. I think this is the third video in this installment. This is the third video in this installment and we've talked about in the past videos. We've talked about Lord Xenu and the Body Thetans, and we've talked about how RTC runs, everything, and and Scientology Sea Org members, the people that sign the billionaire contracts when they go into counseling sessions or interviews or anything where their information is gathered. Scientology shares that private information amongst the executives and often jokes about it and stuff like that. So that's what we're going to cover today. Oh, and also we have my lovely wife, Claire, joining us today.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, good to see everybody.
Speaker 1:And yeah, so, like we always do, we're going to go through and see what we'll give people a chance to show up when we do a live. Well, is that you Can?
Speaker 2:you turn off my bad.
Speaker 1:Oh, great Claire did something.
Speaker 2:Sorry guys.
Speaker 1:Is there continue now.
Speaker 2:No, I logged out. Oh that was me.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, good, Okay. So when Claire's not jacking up the stream, um, we're gonna, um, we're gonna see where people are coming in from and um, I actually read the instructions for the stream yard giveaway tool and one year after we've been using it better late than never I did pretty good not ever reading the instructions, but I found out.
Speaker 1:if you just leave the one thing blank, just if you comment on one of our videos, you automatically get entered in to win at the end when we do a giveaway. So you don't have to write any secret words or anything. If you just tell us where you're watching from, you will automatically be entered in to win a giveaway. So yeah, so we'll go through that real quick. Can you see the comments?
Speaker 2:I'm working on that.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going to try one more time and it's muted, so it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Speaker 1:Okay, well, we're going to see. I'm going to start reading the comments and when Claire logs in, if the stream gets jacked up, it's Anita. Another Anita, hi from the Netherlands. Hi, anita, betsy Sue, just call me Betsy. Greetings from Myrtle Beach. We've got Manon. I don't know, that's a good one. Hi from the Netherlands. What's going on in the Netherlands?
Speaker 2:Right. Shout out to the Netherlands for everybody joining us. It's so awesome. I can see the comments now too, so I can help you. Sherry N Yay. Hi from Minnesota. Awesome. Catherine Olson in the house. Hello from the Willamette Valley. One Love 51,000. Hello from Pennsylvania Awesome. Mary Kay London from Albuquerque is here Em. Hello from Washington State Awesome. Mary Kay London from Albuquerque is here Em. Hello from Washington State Awesome. And Astoria Queens, nyc. Awesome.
Speaker 1:Voracious reader.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Nice. Oh, by the way, hamid Oopie again commented that he was very happy that we did that. Call you, got a little lipstick on.
Speaker 2:She, it's a she.
Speaker 1:Hamit. I prefer to call Hamit a man. All right, hamit, otherwise known as Ham, it up again.
Speaker 2:Daniel Sander. Greetings from Denmark and hello from the Netherlands. Awesome, becky, big brother fan. Good evening, happy Sunday, oh, and you know what? Happy birthday, becky. There you go, karen Ortiz. Good morning from California, harvey. Hello from England, everyone. Awesome Brighton, uk. Oh, it's John. Hi John.
Speaker 1:John. John Page used to be an actor in LA, Los Angeles, and he used to be involved with Scientology and he used to shoot with the Golden Era shoot crew. He was in a whole bunch of different films that we shot there.
Speaker 2:Hey, John, different films that we shot there. Hey, john Sasha, hi from Australia, nice Tracy, howdy from Wyoming, I from near St Hill in UK. Necessary trouble is here from Montana.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's Bert pineapple by the way, bert pineapple, there we go. He's from the, the very famous pineapple family. They created a fruit.
Speaker 2:Nice Good to know. Cool Jane from South Carolina and Boston on board Aloha Watching y'all from Honolulu 808 State. There you go.
Speaker 1:Awesome guys 808.
Speaker 2:Awesome Nice.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool, cool. So, um, I wanted to do this video because I'm not sure. Uh, this is a really um important videos for Scientologists to know about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you might want to switch the camera.
Speaker 1:Oh me, there you go.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I was uh. I was getting so excited about watching Claire over there I didn't even see which camera it was on.
Speaker 2:Aren't you sweet.
Speaker 1:So there's different ways that Scientologists sort of give their information over to Scientology. There's like three or four main ways. There's a counseling session, like when you, when you're doing what's called the bridge to total freedom. There's a training side and a processing side, and the processing side is where they do the Scientology auditing or the counseling. And when you're doing this counseling, they tell you at the beginning of the this is very important. They tell you at the very beginning of the session this is the session Okay. And then they start asking you questions or whatever it is, and then whatever information is gathered during that session, they write it down. The auditor takes notes and they have to be. They're detailed, but they're kind of there's. There's a tiny bit shorthand, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's kind of in between the exact transcription and just the key points.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the worksheets record any question asked, any response, the, the, the response from the person receiving the auditing and all the reactions of the e-meter during the session. Yeah, oh, and the person's indicators.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah, okay. Now, in addition to that, they video it and the video has audio and video.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:So they have a written record of it and then they video it with audio and they video. It's three cameras, they video and they all they. It's like if we did like a mix of different cameras on this and you got the whole thing in one. That's how they record them. So, excuse me, they record the, the, a camera of the, or now they actually have a digital readout of the meter and what it's doing. They have a camera that's just on the, that's on the PC and the auditor, right, right. And then they have a camera on the auditor, over the back of the head of the, of the pre-clear, the person being counseled. So they have those three cameras and the audio and video that goes with those and okay, so that's one way they capture your info.
Speaker 1:Okay, and in these sessions people give up their deepest, darkest secrets in their entire life and for past lives as well. I gotta say this because this will be important later on. Okay, then there's another thing called an ethics interview. Okay, and when you get an ethics interview, a lot of times these are done also on the e-meter, and at the beginning of an ethics interview meter and at the beginning of an ethics interview, they say I am not auditing you.
Speaker 1:Now, this is a key for later on. As different than this is the session, that's right. If you say this is the session, that means you're being audited. If they say I am not auditing you, then that puts this information into another category, into another bucket, basically.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Legally. Correct Well well, whatever We'll get to that as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. Then the other thing is in Scientology, if you ever get in any sort of trouble, or you're doing a certain course that requires you to do certain Scientology procedures, or you're doing what's called lowered conditions or even just the condition formulas, there are certain times that you have to do what's called OWs and that refers to overts and withholds. And when somebody in Scientology says that they have to do OWs, that means that they have to sit down and they have to take a piece of paper, or they can do it on a computer, and they have to write up all of their overts, things that they've done, like deeds or misdeeds that they've done, or deeds that they've done that no one's found out about and that they have withheld. So it's anything you've done and people do know about, and it also would be anything that you've done that nobody knows about and you have to write these OWs and they what? What's the format that you have to write them in?
Speaker 2:Time, place, form and event. So time when it happened, place where it happened, form, what it was like Billy hit the cat, whatever and event just more details. Really, form and event were always kind of a weird like.
Speaker 1:It was open to interpretation. Yeah, and depending on where you worked, it was interpreted differently, right? But regardless, this is a very detailed thing as well. Yeah, regardless, this is a very detailed thing as well. You have to write like I crashed a car in the parking lot and didn't tell anybody, and because my car wasn't damaged, I didn't report it or nothing. That would be an overt and a withhold.
Speaker 2:Right, like you bring up. There's two points I want to make that you reminded me of. First of all, when writing up your overts and withholds, nine times out of 10 is pages and pages and pages. Like nobody ever did wrote up their overts and withholds and it was just one overt written up right.
Speaker 1:You can't just go and sit down and do one page of something when you come back with OWs. It needs to be like between 10 and 15 pages minimum.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it needs to be anything and everything. And here's a key point If you've already written it up before, you don't have to write it up again, right? So if you crashed a car in the parking lot and then you wrote that up last week, that's done, it's gone, it's in there, unless you didn't tell all of it. Unless you said, well, unless somebody found out. Well, no, you crashed into three cars. And then it would be like okay, now you're in trouble because you said this is all of it and it wasn't, there was more.
Speaker 2:Right Because and the whole point of writing down time, place, form and event is to get as isness, meaning it vanishes and it no longer carries emotional charge or whatever but also when writing up your overts and withholds, you're not the one who decides if you're done. That's right, the e-meter does. That's right, the e-meter does.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. Yeah, so after this, is that's true? That's another thing. After you write up your overts and withholds, your OWs, and a lot of times you're supposed to get a metered. I think they call it just a meter check.
Speaker 1:So you just write up your OWs, you turn them in and then you go and sit down in front of somebody. All their job is is to just examine people on the e-meter and they're called the examiner and they just sit there with an e-meter all day long in the qualifications division of the of the place, or in the ethics department or in the ethics department or wherever you and usually, and that that meter check is for questions.
Speaker 2:It's like in this ow write-up, have you told all in this ow write-up has a withhold been missed, things like that yeah, look at claire snapping right into it with the lingo. Um, anyway, I would love to be able to forget it. You know, impossible. Anyway, I like this. Somebody said what about your personal privacy and katherine.
Speaker 1:So anyway, I would love to be able to forget it. You know it's impossible. Anyway, I like this. Somebody said what about your personal privacy? And Catherine?
Speaker 2:Olson said personal privacy. Lol, right exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. In Scientology, yeah, no, there's no personal privacy.
Speaker 2:What's privacy?
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, so we got sessions, ethics interviews, ows, okay, and then the last one is knowledge reports. Okay, if you do something that's wrong and there's like a whole thing that happened, I crashed into the car and then I broke this. You, sometimes you have to write a knowledge report on yourself to give, to put the whole of the knowledge into the files. But then the other thing is other people, if somebody saw you crash the car, then they can write a knowledge report and that also goes into your ethics file.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and in fact, if they see you crash the car and don't write a knowledge report, then they earn the same ramifications that you would by not reporting it.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right. If they see something that's wrong and they do not report it. If it's found out that I crashed the car and that Claire knew about it and she didn't write it up, then she faces the same penalties as I face for crashing the car or whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay, so those are the main way the information is gathered.
Speaker 2:Well, actually there's one more major one.
Speaker 1:What's that?
Speaker 2:Which is the personnel files, because there you have life history.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you have you know, I mean life history. That's something we could delve into and for an entire hour just on that form alone.
Speaker 1:We should just get a life history and just read it. That should be one of them.
Speaker 2:Because every category on that form, like it, covers everything from your entire life, your every friend you've ever had, any relationship you've ever had with somebody, including what you did with them any. Your entire family, any media connections, any government connections, on and on and on in great, great detail. But it really does elaborate the things that Scientology is concerned about and also gives them the information they need to to be able to track you down when you escape. Things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we should do the life history as a separate thing. And also, that's almost a one-time information gathering thing and then it sort of just sits in there for all time and they do make you do updates every once in a while.
Speaker 2:Right, because for clearances for certain positions and so forth. Anyway, it's. It's again just another massive bucket of information that Scientology gathers on people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, so then, ok, so that's how they gather information. Now those that information is sort of funneled or copied to multiple locations. Funneled or copied to multiple locations so you have what's called a student folder and any courses or any training that you do in Scientology, anything related to that, your coursework, any essays or reports or meter checks any of that when you're doing course or Scientology training to be a counselor or just to do a Scientology course on ethics or on auditing or whatever. It all goes into your student folder.
Speaker 1:Oh, and don't forget the multitudes of success stories that's right, and every time you finish something in Scientology, or even if you do a certain thing and you have a great win, they call it. You're supposed to write up a success story. That's so they have a record of you saying that you like this all throughout your entire Scientology journey.
Speaker 2:Right, and when you finish the course, you go to the examiner who has to check that you have a floating needle and do you want someone else to achieve the knowledge you now have? And that's another one. Would you like to write a success story? Just FYI, it's not a question. The answer has to be yes, otherwise you will be flunked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, failed.
Speaker 2:Failed, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you have a student folder. Then you also have an ethics folder and these folders that I'm talking about. Every Scientologist has these, whether you're a Sea Org member or you're a paying member that comes into the organization and pays them to do training or counseling, or you're an executive or a staff member. Anybody in Scientology has all of these folders. So you have a student folder, then you have a staff folder, which is your employment folder.
Speaker 2:Right your personnel.
Speaker 1:Your personnel folder and everything, everything that happens on your post or in your dealings with other Scientology members or staff members, that all those reports and all that data goes into your personnel folder. Then you also have an ethics folder which is anytime you're in trouble or you write OWs or if you go in to. This is a double whammy. If you go into a counseling session and you admit that you crashed the car, it's in the session notes. But if you did overts or withholds and then got and told them what they call getting them off, if you got them off, it's kind of weird to know that's how they say it now, when you know, like the other, it really is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he got his overts off in session. That's how they would say it in Scientology. If he got off his overts in session, then the person who counseled you, the auditor, is supposed to write a session knowledge report and that will go into your personnel folder and it will go into your ethics folder and it will go into your pre-clear folder, or what is just generally referred to as PC folder, and your PC folder is all of your auditing history and the session reports and they do this thing every once in a while, called a folder error summary, and that goes in there. And L Ron Hubbard has an entire set of policy letters that are just about the PC folder and all the things that go into it and where they're supposed to be in the folder, and these things go on the front paper paper clipped to the cover, and the cover has to say this and all this.
Speaker 2:This part gets stapled, this part gets paper clip, this one has a bulldog clip and this one has a rubber band.
Speaker 1:It is. It's intense guys there. There's about 87 ways to screw up a PC folder, if you didn't know. Okay, now, the most voluminous of all of these in most cases is the PC folder, because you're going in session and every time you go in a session or a counseling in Scientology, every time you go in a session or a counseling in Scientology, they could be 50 pages of paper generated, and so these all go into this folder. And some people who've been in Scientology for years and years and years could have hundreds of these folders. And when they get about two or three inches thick, these are all legal size file folders. And when that file folder gets too big and they can't stuff any more paper into it, then they start a new folder and then they number that folder number one, and then the next folder is number two and so on and they have.
Speaker 2:How many folders do you did you have? Do you remember I?
Speaker 1:don't know, like six I had. I think I had like 70. Yeah have.
Speaker 2:How many folders do you did you have? Do you remember? I don't know, like six? Oh, I had.
Speaker 1:I think I had like 70 yeah, I did literally nothing in scientology.
Speaker 2:You can carry all my folders in one oh, and, by the way, mine was 70, except that the first two of mine were from when I was six. My mom actually was the first person who ever audited me. Yeah, that was a disaster, but those folders were burnt in a fire at St Hill.
Speaker 1:Wow, good for you Died of fire folders. Okay, so they have. So let's recap you got your student folder, you got your personnel folder. You got your ethics folder and you got your student folder. You got your personnel folder, you got your ethics folder and you got your PC folder. Now in the C-Org you might also have a legal folder In the legal department. They'll have your visa or your passport or your driver's license, any of your key info that, legally, they want to know about you. Okay, so that's pretty much the main ways. Oh, and the other thing is and Hubbard also did write exactly how the personnel folder, what goes in there? The ethics folder, the PC folder, all the personnel folder. He wrote about all of these things in great detail. Now, the one overriding rule in all of this, in Scientology, is that no documents should ever be thrown away. Ever, period, right, right. Nothing can be deleted.
Speaker 2:It's actually a high crime to destroy files.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nope. Nothing can be deleted, nothing can be thrown away, nothing can be given to the person. You can't, you don't get possession of your PC folder.
Speaker 2:You don't get possession. It's also a crime to look in your own PC folder.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, unless you get on once you get into the Zinu Well but then you have a different.
Speaker 2:That's a different folder.
Speaker 1:That's right, but that's your solo folder. That's right.
Speaker 2:It's not your regular folder.
Speaker 1:That's true, there's another folder, guys, I forgot about another folder. Um, there's so many ways for this information to be gathered up and then and Scientology is the one who keeps us and you say, well that, how could that be? They'd have to have warehouses and warehouses for these things. No-transcript, that just has pallet shelves on it and bankers boxes with these folders in them, and it doesn't matter. Also, it doesn't matter if you pass away your folders. Don't pass away. They mark them as a dead file, like if somebody passed.
Speaker 2:No, no, that's something else. Dead file is a different thing.
Speaker 1:Well, this is a folder you have when they write letters to you. That's another folder actually, Just remember.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about Central Files.
Speaker 1:Anyway, in Central Files that's another place Anything that Scientology writes to you and you write back. There used to be it was basically a pen pal situation and they kept a record of all these letters that went back and forth and that's central files and and I think that's called your scent, it's called your registration. What do they call that? Somebody who knows what this is in the comments see if, uh, see, if you can jog our memory. See, neither one of claire. I really worked in an organization that delivered scientology processing and counseling to Scientologists. We worked in the management organizations. It's a CF folder, that's what it's called Central Files folder, cf folder.
Speaker 2:See, we weren't off, but I remember.
Speaker 1:but you would never say Central Files folder, you would only say CF folder. Yeah of course, thank you, that was apostate, alex.
Speaker 2:CF folder there you go?
Speaker 1:The cult of Scientology, the cult of folders.
Speaker 2:Right, there you go. That's a good one.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So there's all of these ways there, and there might even be more ways that Scientology, formerly the Guardian's office that committed the largest infiltration of the United States government in its history.
Speaker 2:They also might have a folder on you. But also let's just talk about the piece about the. So your counseling folders, your auditing folders, your PC folders, those are all marked confidential confessional priest penitent privilege information. It's like this whole exact statement that's stamped on every single one of those folders.
Speaker 1:So it's um private until you escape scientology that's true, but when it all comes out yeah, but we, we're gonna, we're going to build up to that, okay, okay, okay. You can't just blow the end of the story. We got to build up to it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, so they have all these different folders. Now in Scientology policy, L Ron Hubbard says when the person's getting counseling and they confess to one of these things like, oh, I never told you guys that I had this inheritance and I got $10 million for my grandmother and I haven't socked away in this account. I didn't want to tell you guys because I know you guys are going to try and get that money from it. Okay, Well, when that comes up in the session, the auditor has to go ding and remember that. Oh, I got to remember that Because at the end of the session he has to write a KR and he had a knowledge report and he has to then send that knowledge report to the person who's supposed to get money from people. And Hubbard says you got to send that information, to share that information with different people in the organization. So we have a little some leverage on this guy and we can work them over and get that money. Or we can, even if you just said hey, I'm really upset about how the staff aren't getting enough money and the org is not doing that well and I probably could do more and da, da, da, da, da da, If that person got that off as an overt or a withhold, then they would share that with the registrar person and the registrar person he wouldn't say, I know that you have this thing. He would say, yeah, if you could sign up for this course, it's really going to help us because it's going to make it so the staff get to go out for this award. This weekend we're all going to get to go to see a movie if we make this target of getting a certain amount of people signed up, for course, Just that they know that this person has a weakness that they can then exploit in the money getting or signing up for whatever it is.
Speaker 1:If there's a weakness or some sort of leverage that they can have on you, Hubbard has directed the staff members to share the information. It doesn't matter what the information is. It could be an overt that somebody got off that was sexual in nature, and then the person could say, oh, you know, you really should sign up for this ethics course. And one of the things they don't say it directly. This is the thing they say. You know, we there's this one guy, Pete, who he was having all sorts of perversions in his personal life and he did the course and he's doing much better, and they might give five examples, but they might give an example that also applies to this guy that they're dealing with. Right, so they basically work the system and that, but the and but the but the key part I want to say is they're sharing the info.
Speaker 2:For sure, the info gets shared, and you reminded me of something that happened fairly often. If that person, let's say Billy Bob, got this off, he got off this withhold about this money in the session. Yeah and the auditor forgot to report it to ethics, and Billy Bob then escaped. Oh yes, that would. Things like that happened all the time. Yeah, or so the auditor would get would be assigned to a committee of evidence and not reporting. That would be absolutely part of the.
Speaker 1:False report, no report. If you false, if you say, oh, I thought it was like $2 that he took when it was, you know, 200,000, that would be a false report. Then if he didn't say anything at all, that would be a no report. And I want to say, in most cases the penalty for false report or no report is the same thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was like 30 different types of knowledge reports that we were required. Well, reports, not knowledge.
Speaker 1:Knowledge reports is one of them. We might even have done a video on how many I think we did, we did it, we did it, we should do that too. Oh, so many videos, so little time Anyway.
Speaker 2:Oh, and that's another one we should do is the crimes and high crimes.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe make notes of these things. Sure, you've got all these great ideas on what videos we do, and then we go to do a video. We're like what are we doing a video about?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'll think about it while I'm taking a shower.
Speaker 1:Okay, and yes, if you go to, this is a good question. Oh, it's Catherine, it's not a question. Oh, it's Catherine, it's not a question, she's answering somebody. Question your folder goes with you. Or if you go to aincinnati, then when you get to cincinnati you're like, oh, I live in cincinnati now. Then cincinnati org's like we'll get, get on over here and get to doing some stuff. And then when you get there they go oh, where were you on course before you said I was at new york, or. And then the cincinnati guy goes hey, new y. And then they take a bunch of bankers boxes and they put all your folders in there and they ship them over to Cincinnati. And now Cincinnati's got all your folders.
Speaker 1:Now I don't want to say that none of these folders has ever been lost in transit or something goes wrong or somebody intercepts them. That's happened a million times and people's info is just floating around out there, okay, and then also sometimes the folders get damaged, so like there's a flood and they have all the folders in the basement and then the folders get wrecked and then they got to do a project to sort out the folders. And Scientology has this all the time. Usually when they have one of these organizations that's going to go ideal, it's going to turn into an ideal org and they're going to move from their old building to this new historic building that's been renovated and rehabbed and it's all pretty and fancy.
Speaker 1:You can't bring any of those cockroach infested folders from the old place to the new place. Somebody's got to go through all those folders and take the all the paper and make a brand new folder for that, or for your folder of every type of folder, of everything in for everyone that has ever existed. Half these people could be dead, it doesn't matter. You got to make them a new folder. It's, it's dude.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, telling you, people okay, you reminded me of two things. Number one in the 70s and the 80s, the worksheet paper that they used was not just paper. It was like the cheapest, like this brown it was like trace paper guys right, well, no, it's a little thicker than that. It wasn't transparent barely. But the consistency was that yeah.
Speaker 2:And you also reminded me that. So at the headquarters where we worked for you know 14, you worked there for 15 years when somebody was declared a suppressive person, their folders had to be gone through and any reference of Hubbard or David Miscavige had to be cut out with an X-Acto blade. Yes, they called it the vetting project?
Speaker 1:Right, and they have. They literally took X-Acto knives and or razor blades or scissors or whatever they could get their hands on and they cut out Hubbard's name from all of the documents so that he couldn't be implicated in anything. They what do they call that when they do that? Redacted, they redacted, but they physically redacted. They cut the name out of the paper.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:And sometimes they'd be double-sided and then you'd lose something on the other side because it it just looked like Swiss cheese when the people were done. Basically it was. It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was also to make it so that if the person made any claims of having worked with Hubbard or worked with Miscavige or anything, it was zero evidence of that actually being true.
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right, okay, okay. So that's. That's pretty much how the information is gathered and that's pretty much how it's shared amongst each other. But then there's another layer of sharing that gets done so in the C organization. They don't got no people magazine. They don't got no TMZ, they don't have soap operas. They don't have any TV. No one in the Sears is watching TV. They're not reading romance novels, they're not doing any of that.
Speaker 1:Not legally, anyway Not legally, not on the up and up. So the gossip they engage in is on the other Sea Org members, the other staff members and the other Scientologists and the main fodder for the gossip is your files. So and I don't I can't speak on how this works at a Scientology like a lower level Scientology organization, necessarily. I don't know how rampant this is or how prevalent it is, but at the international headquarters and at the management organizations it's nonstop. It's full time, nonstop. If Joe goes into session and he gives up some sort of thing that he did, if it's big, like if he stole the candy bar, whatever, any bar, whatever no one's going to talk about that. But if this guy stole $5 million in Uruguay eight years ago, oh, it's going to be the talk of the town. Or if somebody cheated, like a Sea Org member or a Scientologist was messing around with somebody else and they were married or whatever, like there was an affair, everybody knows that by the next day. That's like right.
Speaker 2:Remember when that happened with what's his name? Stephen Price? David Miscavige was spreading that around Like Stephen Price, the doctor. Stephen Price, the chiropractor.
Speaker 1:Is he still alive?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh well, maybe don't out people in the in the interwebs here, I don't know. Well, maybe don't out people in the interwebs here.
Speaker 2:I don't know that he's not.
Speaker 1:You don't know that. He's not what.
Speaker 2:Alive.
Speaker 1:Well, I know, but that's what I'm saying You're just. Does his wife know about this?
Speaker 2:Well, she was the one that cheated. So yeah, she definitely did Okay, anyway. It came up at a free wins event, okay. Anyway, it came up at a free wins event, okay.
Speaker 1:Listen, we weren't supposed to say anyway, look at Claire strike. What do they say? Tiger does never lose in stripes. Okay, listen, okay. So anyway, you could go in a session at five o'clock and they could find out about somebody who had an infidelity, not anybody in particular.
Speaker 2:I was giving it as an example of what you were talking about. Yes, they spread it around. I heard it directly from David Miscavige. It's his fault, blame it on him.
Speaker 1:Okay, anyway. So what would happen is you'd go in session and you'd say, hey, billy slept with Jenny, and Jenny's married to Bob and Billy's married to Samantha, and then, by by the end of the night everybody knows- Everybody knows.
Speaker 2:Everybody knows.
Speaker 1:And and sometimes, sometimes, people this is a good one, sometimes, people this is a good one. Sometimes, when people are getting interrogated in these security checks, that's another form of an interview, really. It's, it's a, it's a. I don't really know how they. They want it, they would. Either way, they they interrogate you on the e-meter and they ask you a bunch of questions and it takes different forms.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and if you say something in that in a SEC check, a security check those are the most often shared interviews or information is when you get one of those, because that's when they want the real juice. They don't want to know about candy bars and paperclips, they want to know about affairs, major theft. You know somebody getting offed.
Speaker 2:Maybe that shouldn't have gotten off Available dollars to be given.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how much money you've been hiding from them those kind of things. External influences yeah, sharing is not caring in this case. Yeah, sharing is not caring in this case as you can.
Speaker 2:as we've discussed so many times, he still hasn't forgiven me for the knowledge.
Speaker 1:Shoot, I crashed my motorcycle. Nobody knew about it, only her knew. Only she knew about it, and she.
Speaker 2:I just didn't want you to, whatever, continue to say.
Speaker 1:Exactly Potential trouble source for all you newbies in here.
Speaker 2:Anyway, because I care about you.
Speaker 1:So at the international headquarters you could go into session in the morning and something would come up, and then when you went to lunch muster with all of the crew, the commanding officer of that organization would read out all the things that came up in your SEC check to the entirety of the crew. Now sometimes when people are getting interrogated, they admit to things that didn't happen so that they can be done getting interrogated. If you say I stole the paperclip, I borrowed Billy's stapler, I threw away some paper that was perfectly fine and could have been used, no one cares. But if you say I've been whacking off 50 times a day, that's the end of the interview. That's the big daddy, we got it, we know what he's been doing. So there was one time when we went to a lunch muster I remember that I'll say the first. The guy's first name was Tom, but Tom went up. He didn't actually go up, he got it. He went and got sex checked and then this came up that he was. He was. He was pleasuring himself on a routine basis during the day when he should have been working on some books or editing or something that we were working on. And basically the commanding officer went up in front of the entire crew and said hey, you know why the books aren't getting done is because we just found out that Tom's been whacking off 50 times a day. And of course, anybody who's a dude knows that's pretty much impossible. That's not going to happen. 50 times is a little much, unless you have some kind of mutant superpowers. 50 times is silliness and ridiculous. And but this guy, they, they, they, they basically said, and as fact, he did it, it was, that's what he's been doing. Right, anybody who could do math going like that doesn't really add up, but either way, um, that is the kind of thing that would happen Now. That would be just be at at golden era productions, at.
Speaker 1:If you were in meetings with David Miscavige, he would in the middle of a meeting, it could be a four hour meeting. The very beginning of the meeting he would say you know what? I just found out, that this whole book, there was typos in the what Is Scientology books and there was three pages that were upside down blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the person in charge of printing the what Is Scientology book you're going to go get sex checked. And then somebody in the meeting would take him and go do a security check and then, when you're in the meeting, he's getting the updates on what that person is confessing to and then announcing them. The person is still in the session but because they're videoing it and recording it, somebody can be taking notes as he's confessing things and go from there to the meeting and then give those to David Miscavige. And David Miscavige would be like I just found out that this guy's been playing grab ass with this gal and then they go grab that gal and go get her in a session and now he's getting updates from her sex check and his sex check and the meeting is still going on.
Speaker 1:Now, if David Miscavige was the one telling you, it could be anyone in all of Scientology that he's talking about. We heard about members public members, not CEO members, not employees, not staff members. We heard about public civilian Scientologists that are paying for stuff in Australia. We're getting the deets of their counseling sessions. So anything that, anything that comes up, is fodder for the gossip within Scientology, and I don't know we may. Maybe next time we have somebody or some, or Catherine could tell us how it? Um, is this happen at the lower management levels? Do they just share all this stuff and everybody knows everybody's you know nonsense.
Speaker 2:It's so crazy.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So so the key, the takeaway, is that anything that you tell Scientology, there's no limit on how many people can see that information Right. It could be seen by, it's going to be seen by at least five or six people, just the people that deal with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the information will be used however it serves David Miscavige and the scientology organization there. You should never have it.
Speaker 1:There's no expectation of anything being off limits, yeah and the other thing is it can be used against you when you're in scientology and it says on your folder that this is confidential and all that other stuff.
Speaker 2:But when you that's really just for the lawyers and for legal to keep. Keep those folders from making it out because of how it's insane it makes them look because they are yeah totally neat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right that for legal reasons it says this is confidential information, but it's not confidential within Scientology at all.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:It's only confidential, that they don't want it to get out from Scientology, Right? Anyway, when you leave Scientology, when you say hasta mañana, I'm out of here, adios. Now, all of those folders, they all everything your pre-career folder, your, your staff, your student folder, your person, all of that goes to OSA or RTC.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Everything. And the crazy thing is is that in the I want to say in the nineties, scientology realized that they might have to stop using as much paper as they're using and so they started scanning all these things. Now they're not throwing away the paper versions, but they're scanning everything regardless now. So anything that happens in Scientology, they scan it and it goes into a database it's called the data files and every single person in Scientology and all of these things that we've all been talking about the hard copies exist at their local organization, but the soft copies that are scanned they exist in the database that pretty much anyone that has access to different levels of the database just has. So if you're at the International Management and you work in Religious Technology Center at the very, very top of Scientology, david Miscavige's personal organization, you can just type in Mark Headley and it's going to pull up every single report or any file that I ever had. They will be able to see every single possible thing and they will if you did do something like, say, you did take a candy bar from a liquor store when you were nine, or whatever, and that's in your folder because you've given your life history and you've talked about anything you did or anything bad you did, as you've given your life history and you've talked about anything you did or anything bad you did, or you got it off in a session, then they will say thief. Or if you say, oh, I lied to Billy, I told him it was, we had made 10 widgets and we only made 19 widgets, or 18 widgets, then that will become this could have happened in 1986, when you were 17, or whatever, and they're going to write thief and liar because they have you admitting that you stole the candy bar and that you lied to Billy. So now you're thief and liar. Um, anyway, so they can do, they can work that up or spin that up whichever way they want, and they will and they do and they have, and they will also make a mountain out of a molehill sometimes as well.
Speaker 1:But in addition, so you have the threat of your information just being shared willy-nilly about you, personal information that people are genuinely confessing because they wanna be better, and they're told if you tell us this information, you're going to feel better and you're going to have a better life and you're not going to be hiding things or whatever. And meanwhile the staff are joking about you in the mess hall at dinnertime and laughing and screaming about how silly it is this thing that you did, or you know, some weird sexual thing that happened when you were 18. It could happen 10 years ago. Oh, that's the other thing. Oh my God, it just so. There would be times when somebody would get sent off to one of these sessions and this actually happened. I have a great example of this and we'll be, and that'll be. Then we'll go to the questions and we'll go to?
Speaker 1:Oh, I have something, oh well let me tell you to tell yours, cause mine's definitely a show ender show Okay, Well, the the perfect example is in your SP declare. Yeah.
Speaker 2:They said you um, whatever word they used you were responsible for embezzling $700 because you didn't tell them that when you sold $40,000 of equipment on eBay there would be eBay fees, and because you didn't get that approved, that counted as embezzlement right and so then. But then it went became thousands of dollars I think the most recent statement was by Tommy Davis. It's like $40,000.
Speaker 1:It was it actually started out. It was tens of thousands. Yeah, it started out as 250, right, that's what it was when we were there, right, and it was like, hey, you got to sort this out. There's 250 on the cat for it's like, and then you're skipping an ebay fees.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you said, well, I'll pay it then. And they're like nope, you can't do that. This is a financial irregularity. You are going to join the walking dead yeah.
Speaker 1:If you have a financial that's a funny thing in Scientology. If you, if you it's any sort of financial crime or improper financial dealings, l Ron Hubbard says you will join the walking dead which is so ironic, yeah, because the walking dead wasn't even a TV show.
Speaker 2:But not only that, but he was having bankers boxes of cash shipped across state lines Like. What a hypocrite.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not where the hypocrite list starts or ends.
Speaker 2:I know, I know, just saying.
Speaker 1:Okay, Anyway, so there was this one meeting we were in and I've told this story before, but it is a fun story. We were in a meeting with David Miscavige and he said I want to say it was for a Dianetics event, for a May 9th anniversary of Dianetics and the Dianetics videos we were shooting and Dianetics co-auditing, that happens out in the world, all these different things. Anyway, this guy, this guy in the meeting, David Miscavige was not having good thoughts about him and he said you know what? That guy's got something going on. He needs to go get sex checked. And they just picked him up out of the meeting and took him off to go get sex checked. And they just picked him up out of the meeting and took him off to go get sex checked. Now, I knew this guy because we were roommates and, um, Claire and I lived in one half of a two bedroom apartment and him and his wife lived at the other half. I think we were actually at their wedding.
Speaker 1:We were yeah, we were. I think Claire might've even been in the wedding party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was a bridesmaid.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so we knew these people, and we're not going to mention any names, though. Claire.
Speaker 2:I know Okay.
Speaker 1:Got to watch out for her.
Speaker 2:I closed the valve.
Speaker 1:Loose lips sink ships.
Speaker 2:Okay, anyway, so she Sharing is not caring. Is that your?
Speaker 1:point. Sharing is not caring. Ok, gosh, you mind wipe me with it with the name thing. Ok, so the guy goes off to get checked and then, while we're in the meeting, David Miscavige goes. Oh my gosh, you are never going to believe this guy has been in the meeting. David Miscavige said that guy in the meeting. When I said that guy's got something going on, he was fantasizing about me giving, pleasuring him, Like the guy. The guy confessed that he was daydreaming about David Miscavige pleasuring him under the table kind of thing. And this guy got his stuff packed up. Um, he, his needle was floating, he had a great interview, he had a great sec check, whatever, his stuff was packed off and he was driven off the property. We never saw him ever again.
Speaker 1:And this guy I will tell you he was a genius. That's the most heterosexual dude you're ever going to meet and he just made this up because he knew this was his big chance If he cause. He knew how the system works. He knew David Miscavige would get updated and then David Miscavige would rash, we'll just make a rash decision to get this guy out of here, right? And he was gone. He was kicked out of the Sea Org and flown to another place, like I think he was flown to Canada or something.
Speaker 2:Like get him out of the country. I've never seen someone get out so fast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ever and this. So this guy knew how the system, so he used the whole system in his favor to just basically get a. Just a. Catherine says Mark, can you tell us his name? No, I don't want to tell. Well, I mean, it's actually, it's kind of a funny story.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I don't know if I'll talk to the guy. I'm in touch with him. Yeah, he's very, he's doing very well for himself. Yes, I'll ask him and see if. And see. Somebody said Love Food Kitchen. Hashtag sharing is clearing. Good one Good one Love Food Kitchen. Anything I can use in the off time while we're not doing videos is great.
Speaker 2:Sharing is clearing.
Speaker 1:I'm definitely going to use that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, so Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1:Regardless David Miscavige, and that's another thing. If you are a Scientologist and you're confessing to something that is sexual in nature, david Miscavige is going to find out about it no matter what, because that's his thing, that's what he loves. I don't think I've heard him wow, you know what I'm actually going to go on as saying I'd say, 95% of the things that he shared, like this, were all sexual in nature.
Speaker 2:It was not really the only other ones that he mentioned. But you're right, that was the majority. But the other ones that he really went on a roll about was financial irregularities.
Speaker 1:That's true If it was money. Sex and money, those were his two big things he liked to talk about.
Speaker 2:He always used to say follow the money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, of course.
Speaker 1:Everybody says, follow the money, because that's a real thing.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Okay. So yeah, the moral of the story is don't tell Scientology nothing and also don't even get involved with them. There's a whole lot of nonsense happening over there and also don't even get involved with them. There's a whole lot of nonsense happening over there and it's not going to in the. At the end of the day, I have a theory in life that there are consumers and there are producers, and some people are both. They consume and they produce. Scientology is just a parasitic organization. They don't make anything of that's. That's good for anybody. They just consume. They consume people, they consume their resources, they consume money. It's just a suck. It's just a time suck, a life suck, everything sucks.
Speaker 2:A consumer and a destroyer. Scientology is both of those things Destroyer of anything that matters, destroyer of families, destroyer of sanity. I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Destroyer and consumer. That's a good way to put it this is an inside.
Speaker 1:I don't know where Harvey Denton is from, besides a.
Speaker 2:DM has a thing about prison. Prison grape as well, apparently.
Speaker 1:Yeah he does not. He talks about prison grape all the time, um whenever you know. He says another thing here too.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I said this and that's why he's saying it whenever criminal was mentioned, he used to go on these hour-long tirades about it I think harvey is not.
Speaker 1:Uh, I think harvey and knows a lot of things, because everything he said is 100 true. Whenever we did a video about criminon, which is one of scientology's front groups, um, it didn't matter what we were doing, as long as there was a. If we saw a video and there was a prison and there was prisoners, david mizcow, would you be like you know what happens when you go to prison? Right, and he would 100, uh say, tell all about that yep um, anyway, okay, are we ready to do some uh giveaways?
Speaker 2:yes, let's do it, and then we'll do. So, we'll do some questions yep okay.
Speaker 1:Well, let me do the questions first, because we do the giveaway. The last things, um, I don't like like to do do. Oh, look at, this is a great one. I'm guessing cruz and miscavige sessions are not recorded? You wanted?
Speaker 2:yeah, cruz's sessions were recorded without his authorization. He specifically told marty rathbun that that his sessions were not to be recorded. This was when they were getting him back after he had almost gotten out of Scientology, and so, instead of following Tom's request to not have his sessions recorded, marty just promptly put in hidden cameras and recorded them anyway. Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they just-.
Speaker 2:And I know that because I saw the videos myself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we also. So we in Scientology organizations for these video sessions. Where you're going in and being videoed, there are rooms that you can see the cameras and everyone knows and you sign a document saying that you're okay with these being recorded because we're using it for quality control purposes. Scientology was using that quality control purposes since the 60s.
Speaker 2:It came from a lecture called Talk on a Basic Qual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Hubbard said, you record these things and if anybody asks you say no, no, this is so we can correct the counselors. Right, we need to see what they're doing wrong and so we can correct them. We don't care about your information that we just have anyway and that we will use against you. Anyway, so that you're being recorded is known in a lot of cases and you sign something that says you can be recorded but if you ask not to be recorded, you just get moved to a room where we made picture cams and alarm clock cams and smoke detector cams.
Speaker 2:Oh, and, by the way, to answer the part of the question about Miscavige, miscavige sessions are not recorded mainly because he hasn't been in sessions since 1993, which was before they were recording sessions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for reminding me of to mention that. Yeah, so Tom Cruise sessions 100% being recorded, dave Miscavige's sessions not being recorded because he's not doing any and we want to go on. Oh, I mean, when we were there, from two from the 90s to 2005, david muscavige did not go in session. From 1993 to 2005 he did not ever go in session once. Um, according to him he didn't. Right now we're not saying we didn't see him go in session. No, he said I'm not going in session until X happens and he didn't. He kept true to his word. So that's another thing. He and he didn't. David Miscavige knows all about everything that Hubbard wrote and he picks and chooses what Hubbard really wrote and what Hubbard didn't write based on what's good for Miscavige.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he didn't have to do two and a half hours a day study either like the rest of us minions.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, buck buddy, we know DM is nuts. David Miscavige, do tall Sea Orc members catch extra crap when dealing with him? Due to their height, do they tend to try and sit in his presence so as not to tower over the little psycho?
Speaker 1:I don't know about that. And he is. I don't think that that'd be possible because he is so short that everyone is tall compared to him. I mean, he really is like you. Just think about the guys that he worked with ray midoff, six feet and over mark yeager, mark yeager, six foot and over tall.
Speaker 2:these guys are tall, these guys are all tall dudes. Marty Raffin, tall yeah.
Speaker 1:Mike Rinder's not short, I mean Mike Rinder's 5'11 or 5'10. My height he was about as high as I am.
Speaker 2:I'm 5'7. I was tall too.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't really think he could be biased like that because everyone's tall compared to him.
Speaker 2:Burb Life question have more people been declared SP than there are Scientologists? Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1:In 1993, the list was like 20,000 suppressives.
Speaker 2:I think at this point even Hubbard would agree that his two and a half percent of the population is suppressive, is wrong.
Speaker 1:Yes. According to David Miscavige, 97 and a half percent of the people are suppressive and only two and a half percent are not.
Speaker 2:Right. Oh no, it was a two and a half percent suppressive and 20% PTS. That's right. Yeah, but there you go?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's. That's a great question because um l ron hubbard, when he first started doing scientology and it started getting really big, he had this place in england called saint hill apostate alex knows all about it and um, and that's where they he had, that's where he kind of created the model of the Scientology organization that exists today. That was pretty much matured and created at this place in East Grinstead in England called St Hill. Single person I want to say that Hubbard worked with and did stuff with at St Hill has been since declared a suppressive person. There's not one person that worked there that left Scientology that didn't get a declared suppressive, or that the ones that are still around, hubbard kept track of them in Gotham and the Sea, or David Miscavige has been keeping track of them in Gotham and the Sea, or David Miscavige has been keeping track of them and keeping them under control so that they don't say what really happened, or you know some of the stuff that Hubbard was up to.
Speaker 2:Yep, rosemary Brown, could you sue if you were recorded in a state that requires permission To be fair? I think that that's a I remember this name?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Could you sue if you were recorded in a state that requires permission? Well, so that's the whole point, though, where they use their documents, and if you've signed a document that says you can then, you know you can't sue.
Speaker 1:The reason why they get away with a lot of this sorry, I didn't put the camera over on you when you were yapping there. One of the main reasons they get away with this is you sign a document saying it's okay to open my mail, it's okay to record me, it's okay to do all these things to me, and then you also say it's for my religious beliefs that I want this to happen.
Speaker 1:Right, that's how and that's the little that's the little tag that is there to get out of jail free card for all of this. Is that no? No, this is my religious right to be recorded.
Speaker 2:And you agree to the arbitration clause.
Speaker 1:That's right, and I will never sue you, right, and I will never come after you for anything, right, because this is I'm making myself better as religious. This is my religious freedom, right? And so when, when somebody says, um, hey, uh, I want to sue Scientology, scientology will actually argue on your behalf. Look, use, we're doing this for your religious freedom. You can't sue us or your religion, and you're like what?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, we ready. Where's this? Let me just see. Oh, you know, I didn't even get the share screen. Let me get it going here and then we'll do a share and then we'll find it. Where is the giveaway? Is it going to do it? No, it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2:Nope, oh, there it is, there we go.
Speaker 1:Okay, oops.
Speaker 2:So just a reminder there is no while he messes around with that. There's no secret word this week.
Speaker 1:There's no secret word. If you just comment, you're automatically entered and one comment gets you entered. You don't have to enter 17 different times and, as you guys can see, we have the that's a record number of entries 112.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:There we go, so we're going to draw you ready. Oh and before we forget, a lot of times people write in to us or they go to the Blown for Good store and they donate, or they buy something, and then there's a donation button and sometimes people donate an extra amount and they say, please put this towards a giveaway on the channel. Yes, and those people are mostly the same people that say, oh, just give my prize to somebody else, but we thank you guys for that.
Speaker 2:Yes, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to draw. Here we go. Hit the draw button. Oh, there we go, it's on, okay. I always like it when I see my name or when I see people apostate Alex almost got some action. Okay. I see people who apostate Alex almost got some action, okay. Jane.
Speaker 2:There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1:Congratulations.
Speaker 2:Yes, Congratulations, Jane.
Speaker 1:Send me an email, claireatblownforgoodcom with a link to whatever you would like from either the Blown for Good merch store or the SP shop. Awesome, perfect. Okay, let me get this out of there. Poof, oh, hey. Hey, there we go. That was pretty good. I think we did good today. We had some good questions. We had some good audience questions. Claire got to talk a little bit. You know people always get on my case like talk we let her talk.
Speaker 2:You knew I was tired today. Oh, we had, we went and partied last night.
Speaker 1:We're part of another nonprofit, or members, I guess, of another nonprofit here locally.
Speaker 2:I, another nonprofit, or members, I guess, of another nonprofit here locally.
Speaker 1:I volunteer for them too, yeah, and Claire volunteers, and so they had a little shindig last night. So Claire and I got to, we got to go out, we got to have a date night.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, and also I would like to take a moment to mention that next Saturday, 3 pm Mountain Time, 5 pm Eastern Time, we will be doing a one-hour fundraiser dedicated to the Aftermath Foundation the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation news and updates, and we will have some very special guests. We're very much looking forward to it. Nothing but foundation news. So there you go. Tune in if you'd like to support our efforts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, catherine said billboard news, We'll you go and if you'd like to support our efforts. Yeah, catherine said billboard news We'll talk about. We'll talk about that and that thing. But for those of you who follow Tony Ortega on the underground bunker, scientology is getting all worked up over the billboards. We knew they would, but we have found their button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they really really they really don't like it when we do things that we do so, and they don't like it when we do these videos. And that's another reason why we like to talk about Xenu and the body Thetans, we like to talk about the confidential operating Thetan levels, because that is kind of like kryptonite for Scientology. They can't really, they can't really just spread. Oh, you guys got to go and mess with these guys, Because then when people watch our stuff, they find out about Xeno and the Body Thetans. By the way, whoever gets that band name Xeno and the Body Thetans, I'll play your songs on the channel. I mean, of course, we're going to play a band called Xeno and the Body Thetans.
Speaker 1:Yeah there you go, anyway, but so that kind of messes them up. But the billboard thing definitely has got them hot and bothered. The other reason we know that they're hot and bothered is they're starting up new stuff. They have hate websites on us. They've had those up since, you know.
Speaker 2:Rebecca made a great comment here. Cults don't like being called a cult.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cults don't like being called a cult.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right.
Speaker 1:You know what Scientology really hates when you talk about them being a cult. Um, yes, so, um, yeah, we know that we're doing something. It's funny, this is an SP. I'm going to give you guys an SP life hack. If you're talking smack about Scientology and you're exposing them and they care about it and they're worried about it, then they're going to do something to you. They're going to put out a hate website or they're going to do this or and so when they do more things like that and we somebody says, hey, by the way, I just saw this went up and I go like, oh, great, and then I go okay, well, we must be on the right track.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a pat on the back. We're doing the right thing. Let's keep on doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway. So that's all that, anything else, I think we did it.
Speaker 2:We did it. We've made it to the very end, folks. Thanks to all the many people who joined us today. We appreciate it. It was good to see you and we hope you tune in on Saturday, April 19th, 3 PM mountain time. We'll put up a thumbnail and all that stuff so people can see what it's when it's going to be and hit that notification icon. Whatever it is the bell icon. The bell, the bell icon. There we go, we made it to the end, awesome.
Speaker 1:Perfect guys. And then you mind-mite me. I was going to tell you something.
Speaker 2:I've been doing that a lot today apparently.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Sorry, honey, I can't remember what it was.
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