Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Scientology Fair Game: Letters of Intimidation Hit Client List - Scientology Secrets #4
Marc and Claire Headley reveal Scientology's Office of Special Affairs has renewed their harassment campaign by sending defamatory letters to Marc's business clients, attempting to damage his professional reputation with a 20-year-old photo.
• STAND League (Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination) sent nearly identical letters to those from February 2023
• The letter features a photo of Mack passed out on Hollywood Boulevard during his first birthday after escaping Scientology in 2005
• The photo was originally shared by Mark in 2012 to preempt a blackmail attempt by an OSA operative
• Scientology added new signatories to their letter, including Kathy Feshback and Jim Meskimen
• Some signatories identify themselves with unusual titles like "truth seeker," "truth wanter," and "champion of truth"
• Clients who received the letters forwarded them directly to Mark and Claire, calling the senders "batshit crazy"
• The Headleys explain why legal action against Scientology is problematic and often counterproductive
• Recent activities like billboard campaigns and "Scientology Secrets" videos have likely triggered this response
• The timing suspiciously coincides with an upcoming Aftermath Foundation fundraiser
Join us for the Aftermath Foundation fundraiser tomorrow at 3pm Mountain Time (5pm Eastern) where we'll provide updates on the foundation's work helping people escape Scientology.
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Hey guys, welcome to the channel, welcome to another episode of Scientology Secrets. I've got my lovely wife Claire here today.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, happy Friday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, happy Friday. We've got a. We've got a. We rarely do an episode during the week these days and Scientology's been busy, busy little bees this week, and so they know how to show us that they've missed us and motivate us to do more.
Speaker 2:so here we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so so, yeah. So we're going to do a live, we're going to give people a chance, and as soon as I hit the go live button, then YouTube emails or notifies people that we're doing a live. So we give a few minutes to let everybody get in here, and when we we do that, we find out where everybody's calling from or watching from or listening it's like our own version of curtain, or you know like get prepared for the show, folks yeah, but um, so if we will put up some of those here real quick, I'm reading them, yep yeah, that's how we do this.
Speaker 1:I put them up, gretchen.
Speaker 2:Philly. Greetings from the city of brotherly love. Except for the part near the Scientology Org, that part is just void of all goodness. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Gretchen.
Speaker 2:Yep, harvey Denton. Hello from England, where it's almost midnight. Wow, thanks for joining us, harvey. Anita. Hi from the Netherlands Netherlands in the house. Yay, betsy, sue, just call me Betsy. Greetings from Myrtle Beach, south Carolina Awesome, Dropping Bombadillos. Hello from Ludington, michigan. Mary Kay. Hi from New Mexico Awesome, chilled Granny I can't believe it, I made a live chat. Howdy from Duluth, minnesota. Hi, chilled Granny, good to see you. Monkey Paws. Hi from Central Victoria, australia, nice, awesome, tracy Hobart. Howdy from Wyoming Awesome, mary Kay. I was wondering what was going on with the billboards. Yes, tomorrow we are doing an Aftermath Foundation fundraiser. We will have some very special guests and we will have a dedicated hour just talking about foundation updates, what we can share about people we've been helping and all kinds of crazy updates.
Speaker 1:That's just another one that was asking about that, so I put it up Tomorrow 3 pm.
Speaker 2:Yes, 3 pm Mountain Time, which is 5 pm Eastern Bears Mom. Hello everyone, I'm in Indiana. Bears Mom, hello. Hello Joseph Brian Stanley. Hi, from Rio de Janeiro, wow.
Speaker 1:Rio de Janeiro Wow.
Speaker 2:Rio de Janeiro Okay.
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Speaker 2:Poodle Bone Hello from NYC. Oh, like you've never mispronounced anything in your whole entire life. Shannon Graves Hello from Florida. Yay, we're a little feisty today, folks. It's been a long week of work.
Speaker 1:Tgif, we're a little feisty today folks, it's been a long week of work, tgif oh and Jamie. Yeah, in case I forget to mention it, as long as you just comment now, you're automatically entered in for the giveaway. We always do at the end of the episode, so you don't even have to do a secret word or anything, just commenting, you're entered in to win.
Speaker 2:TGIF from Southern Utah, from Jamie Coffee, first, always, you're entered into it. Tgif from Southern Utah, from Jamie Coffee, first, always. Hello from Melbourne, australia, so excited to join your life. Love all of your hard work fighting this good fight. Thank you. We appreciate everybody here today, don't we? Honey?
Speaker 1:We do, and also the Melbourne people appreciate it when you call it.
Speaker 2:Melbourne oh my goodness, Not Melbourne. Seriously like climb back into the box, honey Damn.
Speaker 1:Melbourne. Oh, look at that.
Speaker 2:We English folk like to pronounce our letters Melbourne.
Speaker 1:Mitch is here from an undisclosed location. Oh, mitch, yay.
Speaker 2:Hey Mitch, hey Mitch Mitch has been working on many super secret projects.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is, he has been.
Speaker 2:He's the best.
Speaker 1:Okay, we've got working on many super secret projects. Yes, he is, he has been, he's the best.
Speaker 2:Okay, we've got over 100 people in here now. Oh, we've got a few more people here. Okay, manchester, uk, my hometown, jess, awesome, barbara, hello from Western New York. Thank you for joining us. Yay, yay, funnyface79. Love from a rainy Prescott, arizona, awesome, nice, okay, awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's talk about what's happening here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1:So I don't remember. I think it was in 2023. What? When you were talking oh sorry, I've hit the wrong button. Back in 2023, do you remember what we were doing? We were just doing a lot of YouTube videos. I think that's what it was?
Speaker 2:Yes, I remember exactly what it was. So you've had a YouTube channel. For what was it? We just had our 17th year anniversary 2018, 2008,.
Speaker 1:I think is when I started.
Speaker 2:Right, but mid-December 2022, you started doing, we started doing a lot more on YouTube and very quickly I was like hey, wait a minute, you're having way too much fun, let me join in. And so that's what was going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then in February 2023, for no other good reason.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That's when the new round of attacks started.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so what they did, what Scientology did, and we'll put a link into the video. I think it was Mike and I who did a video. Mike Rinder and I did a video where we went through what the Office of Special Affairs Scientology spy wing, formerly known as the Guardian's Office, the same organization that perpetrated the largest infiltration of the United States government in its history. The Office of Special Affairs have a little you could call it, a department or section within the Office of Special Affairs where they run this thing called the STAD League Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination, and for some reason they call it STAND, even though there's no N word in the abbreviation.
Speaker 2:Right. It's very out of character actually, because Scientology is so good at their acronyms, this one they just really messed up.
Speaker 1:They boofed it guys. They call it the stand league, but it's really the stod league stod anyway. Um, they sent this letter to a whole bunch of my clients, my, my business clients that I operate totally separate than all the scientology nonsense yeah, like literally has nothing to do with scientology. That's right.
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 1:So they sent these letters to a bunch of my clients, and if you're saying, well, how do they know who my clients were? They just went to my company's website and on our website we have the profiles of projects that we've done in the past. And so they looked up those clients on our website and then figured out who they could write letters to at those companies and they started sending these letters.
Speaker 2:Because, lest we wonder whether they still fair game, of course they do. This is a perfect example.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then do you have the 2023 thing, the names yes, can you give it to me? Yeah, and then do you have the 2023 thing, the names yes, can you give it to me yeah. Okay, so then, at the end of the letter that they sent to my clients, there were three pages of signatories that had about looks like about 12 people on each page and there was a total of what's that 24? And there was a total of what's that 24?
Speaker 1:I'm not good at math, but I guess that's it's like 30, 33 names on this on the list of signatories at the end of their letter.
Speaker 2:Of their cast of bandits should we call it as to who's willing to put their name to a letter? That is slanderous, false, vindictive and everything else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a misleading, inaccurate letter at best.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly At best.
Speaker 1:But okay.
Speaker 2:So they did that. But it is Scientology putting their tax-exempt dollars to how they use their tax exempt dollars. Let's not forget that part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you and I are paying for this, for them to do this. We're subsidizing them through the government. Yeah, because they don't pay taxes, blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Because they're a nonprofit and they are a tax exempt organization. Yeah, okay, so so we're talking February 2023, just to be very specific.
Speaker 2:Okay, so, um, so we're talking February 2023, just to be very specific. Yes, they did a whole round and at that time, of course, all of Mark's clients just say what the heck, these guys are maniacs. Can you? Are they ever going to leave you alone? Like that was the flavor of the response to those letters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of the people that we heard from.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:So I have to say this because it's a fact A lot of these projects are projects that we may have done 10 years ago, right, some even 15 years ago, and some of these, some of the places, don't even exist anymore, right, like they went, moved to a different building or they shut down.
Speaker 2:They got bobbled up by another company. Their company name changed, whatever. There's a billion reasons why you know the point was to. The point of your website is to showcase the work that you do.
Speaker 1:That we've done in the past, right, it's actually, I think it's even under a section that's called past projects or project profiles or something like that, right? So okay, so that that happened. We heard from a few of these clients that said hey, we got this letter and what the hell and? Um. And then we answered them oh, my wife and I are part of a nonprofit and as part of that, we expose Scientology in our free time.
Speaker 2:We volunteer to help people get out of a cult, and nine times out of 10, I think again thanks to Leah Remini, scientology in the Aftermath. Most of these people have heard about the crazy, abusive practices of Scientology.
Speaker 1:In almost all cases, people are aware of Scientology, but not necessarily aware that we had anything to do with that or exposing them or any of that, Because when I go and do a project for somebody as part of my company, we don't talk about that or we don't.
Speaker 2:it's not part of we don't lead with that. Hi, it's not part of the job. My name is Claire. I was born into a cult and I escaped in 2005. Please, let me help you. That's not how we lead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so that happened and we showed the letter. We read the letter online Again. I'll put a link in the description to the original video so you can hear Mike and I talk about it back in February of 2023.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, by the way, many people very kindly provided information and documentation on the cast of bandits that signed that letter.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's right. We didn't know who some of these people were. We didn't have their contact info, and so a bunch of viewers of the channel and internet sleuths you know part-time internet sleuths track these folks down and to see if they could find out where they were and what they did and all that good stuff. And we got a lot of that and it was helpful. Now I think the purpose of of this is is this is this is rides a fine line of um illegal misuse of uh as a non-profit.
Speaker 2:it's right on the edge of like this is obviously trying to um destroy us hurt our, our um, they're trying to destroy us at, following the words of l ron hubbard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, otherly, destroy, destroy utterly, is the exact quote from L Ron Hubbard what you're supposed to do to people that expose Scientology's wrongdoings?
Speaker 2:Yeah, find what they love, destroy it. Find what they hate, exploit it, destroy them utterly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now I think what they want to do is they want to bait us into getting into a legal skirmish with them completely that's ideally what we would do.
Speaker 1:We would say, hey, you can't mess with us, we're going to come after you legally, and then that opens the door for discovery from their end. It opens the door for discovery from their end. It opens the door for discovery for our end. But we are not a billion dollar criminal pyramid scheme operating as a religious group in the United States, so we don't have that, those sort of resources and it's. It would then take time away from me exposing Claire or I exposing Scientology and working and doing my business and doing these things.
Speaker 2:Spending time with our family getting on with our lives all of those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's basically just in order to distract us from our mission and what we're doing and our lives and have us kind of sideline us into this legal thing.
Speaker 1:And additionally, if you're ever in the middle of a legal situation with somebody and you hire an attorney, the first thing the attorneys tell you is to STFU about what you're doing, because that makes it a problem and it just creates more discovery and more work for the attorneys and it may or may not give more ammo to either side if you just keep talking about them. So it is also a way that so if you do get into a legal skirmish with them, you are pretty much sidelined until that legal skirmish is over. There's not a lot you can sometimes do, and also it depends on your attorneys and it depends on the case and all this other stuff. But in most scenarios your lawyer is going to say well, until this is done, you got to stop talking about them and you got to stop doing this because we got to our shit together and trying to figure out what we're going to do against these guys.
Speaker 2:Yep, and we know this from four years of lawyers telling us we could couldn't say anything publicly from 2009 to 2012.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're not just. This is not just something we've been advised of, it's a, it's something that we lived through.
Speaker 1:And we've seen it happen with other people and we've also and also this is another byproduct of this sometimes happening is, let's say, we do.
Speaker 1:The reason I'm telling you guys all this is because this is commonly brought up in the comments oh, you should sue them, oh, you should do this, you should do that.
Speaker 1:And the reason that we do not do that is because of what we're telling you right now. But the other thing that happens is if we do end up suing Scientology and they basically have to fold and settle. There are certain scenarios which at a certain point, your law firm that would represent us and make you sign an agreement saying, if there is a viable settlement on the table, that you will not only accept the settlement but you will also accept the terms of the settlement. And if you do settle a legal case with Scientology, in almost all cases you're going to have to sign a gag order that you're no longer going to talk about Scientology. They're going to give you tens of millions of dollars and then you're going to be done and then that's the end of it. So that's another good reason for them to kind of get us into that arena, so that if they can't ruin us utterly by sucking all our time and money into a lawsuit.
Speaker 2:They would love to silence us utterly.
Speaker 1:Believe you me the worst case scenario is that we win and then they silence us through a settlement, so anyway, so that's that. Okay, so that's February 2023. Okay, yesterday I was traveling all week doing a project. I was building some stuff for a music museum and we finished that. That went well.
Speaker 1:We finished that on Thursday and we came back Thursday night and then Claire told me hey, just so you know, I got an email from one of your past clients and they got a letter from the Stand League again and I was like, oh great, what's it now? And essentially it was the exact same letter that they sent before, but they modified the signet. They added a bunch of people to the signature page on the back and they added a lot of people that we knew we didn't know a lot of. We knew a few of the people that was on the back and they added a lot of people that we we knew we didn't know a lot of. We knew a few of the people that was on the original list, but they added some more people. And then they also changed some of the names of the people that were on the list before, which is also sort of odd, and we're going to go through all that.
Speaker 1:You know me, I love an audit but Claire is a bookkeeper, so she did a, a, b, she compared everything to see what the difference is they conveniently switched everything around there's no making it easy and they did add two paragraphs to the letter.
Speaker 2:I will say that.
Speaker 1:Why don't we just bring up the letter?
Speaker 2:Okay, you want to do that.
Speaker 1:Sure, let me just make sure I get the right page of the letter. Okay, so here's the letter. Let's see. Oh geez, we're small now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There we go. We redacted it for obvious reasons. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you want me to read this. Sure Stand League is the anti-defamation league of the Scientology religion, and we write on behalf of all Scientologists to inform you that Mark Headley, a virulent anti-religious bigot, publicly brags about work he has done with your brand, thereby destroying your company's reputation Seriously.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:For example, attached is a picture Headley proudly posted of himself online and which is currently circulating the internet Now, currently let's just talk about the use of the word currently.
Speaker 1:This was from 2005.
Speaker 2:And you posted it in 2012. Tell our viewers why you posted that picture in 2012.
Speaker 1:There was a person who was working for OSA who used to be a very good friend of mine.
Speaker 2:You can name him.
Speaker 1:His name is Eric Geisler, we call him Eric Speisler. He was a spy for the Office of Special Affairs and he had this photo and when I was exposing Scientology and I think we were actually in the middle of the lawsuit with Scientology during this time in 2012 when this whole thing went down and he basically sent me this picture and said, hey, if you don't stop, we wouldn't want any of this stuff to get out and then he sent this picture to me in the text chain, and so then I just went online and took the picture and put it on Facebook and said, hey, this is a picture. Um, somebody is going to try to blackmail me with cause you never had this picture.
Speaker 2:I've never this time, yeah, no no, here, hold on back up a second. So two, so our lawsuit was done by this time. It had just finished and you had posted online saying you know what we're done with the lawsuit, now we can talk again. So I've done an outline of book two of blown for good behind the iron curtain of Scientology, and you said these are all the characters, because some of the stories of what happened, what has happened to us since leaving Scientology, are even crazier, though Some of it is even crazier than what happened to us since leaving Scientology, or even crazier, though Some of it is even crazier than what happened to us when we were in and you named some specific people and he was on that list, which is what prompted him to threaten you with release of you wouldn't want this photo to get out and you were like actually, I don't mind, I was like I was like whatever, yeah, Way to preempt it there.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's the context. Yes, that is the context.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, as you can see from the text beneath the photo, hedley posted quote my birthday, 2005 might have had one too many. Okay, let's just say for context, you escaped, or we both escaped, the headquarters in January 2005. Yeah, this January 2005.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This was May 2005. Your very first birthday free of Scientology. Okay, you got drunk. Wow, and guess what folks? It's 20 years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's 2025 now, so that picture was from 2005. And also, to be fair, it's a pretty epic birthday, okay, I mean, I don't mind saying I didn't know who a lot of these people were at the time, but you know who was at my birthday? The band 311 played. The kardashians were there. Um, it was, it wasn't. They weren't there for my birthday.
Speaker 2:What's the designer? What's the designer?
Speaker 1:It was our friend of ours, his name was Christian and he had this new clothing line came out, coming out called Ed Hardy.
Speaker 2:There it is.
Speaker 1:And it was at the Ed Hardy fashion release party when the brand was going to go public and they were going to start selling stuff. And it was in Hollywood and it was at Hollywood and Vine, which, if you know Hollywood, hollywood and Vine is a very famous intersection on Hollywood Boulevard, and on the opposite side of that block is the Scientology Middle Management Headquarters, which is known within the organization as the HGB or the Hollywood Guarantee Building, which is at Hollywood and Ivar, the next street over from Vine. So it was in May it was May 21st, which is my actual birthday, and we were invited to this party and since it was my birthday, I mean, and there was an open bar and some of my old Scientology friends that were spying on me and taking pictures of me while I was passed out on Hollywood Boulevard were also there with me, such great friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's awesome, it's good stuff, yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So we went to this party, and because I was, I grew up in Scientology and in the Sea Org for many, many years. Not a lot of drinking going on, and so I didn't know.
Speaker 2:And you were malnourished at the time. So the alcohol differently than it was.
Speaker 1:No, no, I was perfectly nourished by the time this happened. Okay, fine, fine, but I didn't know that 15 rum and Cokes was too many rum and Cokes. That's the problem I had.
Speaker 2:There's one way to learn. That isn't there.
Speaker 1:I do now know it wasn't tequila, it wasn't vodka, it was rum. Rum was my, my drink of choice at the time. I have switched to another drink, uh, water, um, but um, yes, so, um, it was an amazing party, was? It was, it was a great time, okay, so that happened, um, and then. So then, later on, came this hey, we wouldn't want this photo to get out.
Speaker 2:The photo went out, um, and then I put it out, yeah so you put it in, put it out in 2012 and then 2023. I guess osa finally got around to figuring out that they wanted to silence us. So, finishing off this letter here, they said at and so this is April 17th, as in yesterday, as you can see, the CEO of the company currently using you as a public reference is lying in his own vomit, passed out in the gutter on Hollywood Boulevard. Is this something you want associated with your brand? And then now for the two new paragraphs, which are amazingly culty and ridiculous.
Speaker 2:As you know, mark Hedley works in audio visual installation, that's also a weird way to say it. It's so weird.
Speaker 1:A foreigner wrote this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, completely, they don't even know how to speak of the English.
Speaker 1:You wouldn't write it like that. That's a little weird.
Speaker 2:Judge O Scanlon of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that quote. Mark left the Church of Scientology in January 2005 after being told that he was under investigation for embezzlement. Unquote.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they use that as the judge said it. But he's saying what the case history? He's just reading the case history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because also we'll reference again, as we've referenced many times, the judge also said in that same ruling had we pursued other causes of action, such as false imprisonment, assault and battery, et cetera, we may have fared differently.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay, next sentence that embezzlement was of, quote, $15,490 of the church's AV. Okay, so hold on. I brought some extra documentation here just for giggles. This is Mark's SP declare from January 2005, which references none other than $750. So we've got some mathematical problems happening in the Office of Special Affairs.
Speaker 1:And when it says AV Problems happening in the Office of Special Affairs, and when it says AV, that's shipping and eBay fees Correct, yeah, which.
Speaker 2:And even when you were there, what was it? They told you $250. $250, which you offered to pay with your back pay that they were holding, and they said no, no, no, you can't do that. Okay, Back to the letter. You may want to reach out to Mark at Mark's email to instruct him to stop using your company's good name as a form of self-promotion at your expense. Newsflash Osa.
Speaker 1:They sent your letter straight to us and said quote these folks are batshit, crazy, unquote. There you go, that did happen, it did happen, happen, okay. So that's the letter. And then, um, I keep getting this weird layout here. Okay, good, and then on the next page is the photo. Just posted the pic to facebook. Uh, that's facebook, that's my ex account back at the time. And then it has all these people that signed.
Speaker 2:Okay, now these now we figured we would. We would add tell, tell everyone who's been added to their cast of bandits right.
Speaker 1:Well, this is the 2003, um 2023 list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so the two names circled there, interestingly, are no longer on the cast of bandits. So what's it say? Ellis Craig and James Lowell, james Lowell, yeah, now let me if you have escaped and you would like to talk to us about this letter, do reach out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for some reason those two people were removed from the second letter, but everybody who's circled on this list is also appears on the next list. Now, this one is very interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This person's name in the first letter is called Ingrid Rogers. Now just remember that that we talked about that. She says she's from Los Angeles. Producer, actress, mother, wife, champion of truth, scientologist.
Speaker 2:Champion of truth. Have you met one of those before honey?
Speaker 1:I've actually not ever met a champion of truth. Do they get it like in a medal ceremony?
Speaker 2:Do they have like a special uniform?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Champions of truth?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Okay, now here I wonder if they get a salary.
Speaker 1:Here is the Okay. And also, by the way, how many people did we hear from that got that letter? Two or three, I don't remember. On that I know we heard from at least one.
Speaker 2:Two. I remember one. One said wow, these guys are crazy. Will they ever leave you alone?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The other. Another one said, wow, where's this guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they said where's this guy? Where was this guy when he was doing the installations?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they put. They didn't put the letter, they just put the picture up on the staff notice board saying Mark from the company that I worked at.
Speaker 2:I think there was at least two others that notified us that they had received yeah.
Speaker 1:So, let's say, a handful of them reached out to us and said hey, just so you know, I got this letter and you know it's, I will tell you. I won't tell you which client, but I will tell you that the next time that I went and did a job at that place, um, or a time when I had to go back and do a job at that place, um, they asked me if they could take me to dinner and maybe ask me some questions about the crazy place, about Scientology. And so I said, okay, yeah, no problem, fine. So we did go back to that place, we did go to dinner and we were having dinner, we were having a good time. They introduced me to the mayor of the town at that dinner, like, they brought the mayor to the table and said, oh, this is Mark, he was on this TV show, he's doing some work for us. Said, oh, this is Mark, he was on this TV show, he's doing some work for us. And then we went.
Speaker 1:When we sat back down at the table and we were continuing eating, one of the people at the place said hey, is it okay if we ask you some of those questions now? We were pretty much done eating, and it was just at the end. We're just yapping. And then this guy, he pulled out of his. I said, yeah sure, no problem, whatever, whatever you want. He pulls out a bunch of pieces of paper all folded up legal signs, like three or four pages of questions, and everybody at this table started laughing like dude, whoa, slow your roll. It was a lot, anyway, but we had a great time. I told them all kinds of crazy Tom Cruise and John Travolta stories, and David Miscavige, fake Navy Davey, told them all kinds of crazy stories. Okay, so then, fast forward. Also. We just kept working Like whatever we kept doing YouTube, we kept doing whatever we were doing. We kept doing the Aftermath Foundation stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because really the goal of it is to shut us up and silence us, or I don't know, you know. I will say, though, that there's part of me that goes what they want us to quit our day jobs and do nothing but expose Scientology full time.
Speaker 1:That's what I brought up at the time, guys, I said listen, if you take out my day job, then I'll just do this as my whole job I love. I actually really do enjoy doing this.
Speaker 2:I think it's fun. I especially enjoy helping people. Gtfo I mean that I will do any day of the week for no money whatsoever.
Speaker 1:When somebody calls us and they say they watched one of our videos or they read my book or they saw the billboard or whatever the situation is, and they say that they've now left Scientology in some cases their whole family got out of Scientology I get a warm, fuzzy feeling. That's just what happens. That's just me, okay, that's just me. I figure, I figure. Well, all the trouble and all the suffering and the 15 years of being in the Sea Org and growing up in Scientology.
Speaker 2:And losing our all of our family and having to start over with nothing but 20 bucks in our pocket from absolutely nothing. Yeah, all of that, and being spied on, and, and, and, and, and. The least we can do is help someone else.
Speaker 1:That's right. So when they say you helped me, it kind of is like, okay, I did all that, like I did all that and I made the right decision and now it's worth it and it's, and then it kind of re-energizes me to keep doing it Yep, okay. So we, we've been doing it this whole time. We stopped, yep, okay. Now something happened in the last month or two that's got them all a flutter, okay. I don't know if it was the uh, fake navy davy, uh dolls that we're selling. Uh, shout out to the SP shop. You get yourself a fake Navy Davy doll or a Captain Chucklesworth or whatever you want to call him. Fake Space Navy, fake Space Davy, whatever it is. I don't know if it was that. I don't know if it was the Scientology secret story that we're doing now, where we're talking about Lord Xenu and the Body Thetans. Have I ever mentioned that would be a great band name?
Speaker 1:um, I don't know if it was I don't know, have you I don't know if it was the billboards which we put up all over los angeles. The aftermath that's what I'm betting on, I know, but we don't know for sure we don't okay. So Osa, you got us Okay Can you drop us a memo. We know we did something.
Speaker 2:Tell us what's getting you a flutter, as Mark says.
Speaker 1:We know we did something. We don't know what it was. So here's the deal. We know it was one of those things, right? Yep, it was probably the billboards.
Speaker 2:Probably.
Speaker 1:We're going to keep doing more billboards. We're going to keep doing more billboards.
Speaker 2:And we have some. There's three billboards which we're going to talk about this tomorrow in great detail and I have video and pictures now. But there are the billboards are very strategically placed not to pack now which is where they really got a flutter with the immediate erection of a scissor lift.
Speaker 1:But you said erection. That's what you do to a scissor erect it. Okay, take it easy there.
Speaker 2:Slow, slow your roll there, okay ginge but these billboards are unavoidable around all around where the seahawk members live. So, like the closest starbucks to to birthing, the lodging where all the Sea Org members live, it has Mike's billboard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to save that for tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll save it for tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that's what has been worked up, but it could also be Scientology Secrets episodes, because we're just figuring out all the things that they don't want people to know. We're just going to tell those things in specific videos and we're going to call them Scientology secrets. One of the biggest Scientology secrets is, if you leave Scientology and you say anything about Scientology, they're going to come after you and they're going to send people. You do business with letters and send them silly pictures of you passed out on Hollywood Boulevard. Okay, so this is getting its own episode, but we're going to keep doing the billboards. That's going to happen. We're going to keep doing the Scientology secrets episodes. We're going to keep doing that. We're going to keep fundraising for the aftermath and we're going to still help people get out of Scientology. We're still going to do all that too, yep, and we're still going to sell.
Speaker 1:Where are they? Where is he? We're still going to do all that too, yep, and we're still going to sell. Where are they? Where is he? We're still going to sell these little guys. Fake Space, navy Davies, captain Chucklesworth, whatever you want to call him, captain Giggle Giggle's not a lot. We're going to keep doing all that stuff. And if you want to send letters. Send letters, guys. Like I said, if you take out my day job, which I mean anybody by guys?
Speaker 2:you mean OSA? Yeah, not our viewers. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:OSA. If you guys want to keep doing that, then keep doing it. Most of the people I don't know how to explain this Most people who know me, this is me. This is the same mark you get when I come and do your job. I don't talk about Scientology, but you know I'm I'm here to do a job. We're going to do an amazing job. We're going to get the job done and you're going to be happy with it and you're going to love me and we're probably going to go out to eat. We're going to have some me and you're going to then ask me about the Scientology stuff and I'm going to tell you all about it and I'm going to tell you some crazy stories. I'm going to give you a copy of my book and that's how my clients end up knowing more about this without even OSAT telling them.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they Google. You know, I don't know if everybody does this, but in my case, when I show up, usually somebody there will have Googled me and then they will tell me hey, I don't. I know this is a little awkward. It's always a little awkward. They say I know this is a little awkward, but you know, I saw that you were. You were on that TV show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so can I share the response that I send to most people that email us about this letter? Sure, ok, thanks for forwarding. Yes, I know what this is about. Mark and I were both born into Scientology and escaped their headquarters in 2005. Since then, we've been speaking out as whistleblowers and victim advocates, and we both serve on a 501c3 nonprofit that helps people get out of Scientology and start new lives. For example, I testified as an expert witness on Scientology in the Danny Masterson trial in May 2023. You can learn more about our work here blownforgoodcom. Scientology has had slanderous hate websites running about us since 2010. Mark and I appeared in three seasons of Leah Remini Scientology in the aftermath. Needless to say, they don't appreciate our work to expose their abusive practices. They've been sending similar letters to some of our clients, glad to answer any questions you may have. Nice, that's a any questions you may have Nice.
Speaker 1:That's a perfect response, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that's what's happening Now. It's news that obviously we have hit a vein. They're doing stuff again. They never took down all the hate websites about me. They're doing stuff again. They never took down all the hate websites about me. They never took down their accounts. They have a lot of accounts on X that spread lies and they have weird videos they post up there and stuff like that. They didn't stop any of that. The fact that they're now sending clients letters again means that they're actively attacking. The other thing that they just started doing is the Stand League has started some sort of YouTube channels where they have been posting shorts of the videos that appear on the Scientology hate websites, and that started about a week or two ago. Somebody sent me a thing saying hey, these new channels are firing up and they're starting to run shorts, and that was the other thing that we thought is that we have hundreds of videos where we've talked about Scientology on the channel.
Speaker 1:If you want to know about Scientology, chances are we've talked about the thing you want to know about at least four or five times. We've covered a lot of things over and over again and just different aspects of it or more stories about the same thing, blah, blah, blah. But we we never really do shorts and we never have really done that. And people are always telling me why don't you do shorts? Some of these things would make great shorts, and I'm like I just don't have the time. So we got somebody, um that's we thought would be really good at doing it and he's been doing shorts and he's been slaying it. He's been, he's been putting out, I think, like at least two or three shorts every single day since we sort of started finding out about it. And the shorts about lord xenu that get a lot of views. Tom cruise, those get a lot of views shelly miscavige shelly miscavige.
Speaker 1:So they're getting, they get, they get. I mean they get. Our views in the last month on our channel have more than doubled yeah in the last month, yeah, and we're getting more subscribers and we're getting more views and we're putting out more videos, and claire and I are really only doing it an hour to a week, because we do a video on Sunday and then sometimes she does an interview or two during the week, Unless Osa pokes the nest, in which case here we are doing extra.
Speaker 2:We would be hanging out with our neighbors right now trying to wind down after a really long week.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it is snowing.
Speaker 1:It is snowing here. Might not be so we're gonna, we're fine. That's another great reason I was like you know what? It's snowing. We can't do drinks in the driveway, let's just hang out with everybody on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's have an OSA talk.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, so we're going to talk about the additions, the new additions. Yeah, so we showed interesting ones here that you are definitely going to have some comments on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we got a new list and now if there's an X through it, then that means they were on the previous list of the 2023 letter and these are new folks. And if you guys, I don't know if the same sleuths that were here last time are still here or if there's new sleuths, feel free to cross-check and see what we can find out about these folks, because there are some very interesting people on this list that are now part of the STAD League.
Speaker 2:And I would say just to add to that this is as much about showing the world in general who is putting their names behind this vicious, slanderous, abusive practice of fair game by Scientology. It's also comedic beyond belief, as you will see, and also it's just good to you know, find out and see who all is involved in this, right, yeah, okay, so Alan Ernst, glendale, california. He's an electronics technician, ex-iowa farm boy, speaker of truth, brother, scientologist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, Now I got to just say we got to pay attention to these little catch, these little titles that they Seeker of truth.
Speaker 2:I hate to break it to you, Alan. You haven't found truth.
Speaker 1:But at least he's looking. Keep seeking Still looking, there you go, but the best he's a finder of truth.
Speaker 2:He's a seeker of truth.
Speaker 1:Wasn't that other gal the champion of truth?
Speaker 2:Yes, she was a champion of truth. Yeah, apparently truth is a Well, you got to, we'll see. There's different levels.
Speaker 1:There's different levels. She's a champion, he's just a seeker. So I'm going to say seeker is like a swamper, like that's the lowest rank.
Speaker 2:That's the lowest level.
Speaker 1:I'm just looking for truth.
Speaker 2:I'm not a champion yet, I'm just looking for it. You know what, if we can't laugh about this nonsense, what the heck can?
Speaker 1:we do Okay, so Alan Earns Okay next.
Speaker 2:Jane Mitchell, monterey, california, manager, grandmother, lie exposer, anti-drug volunteer, scientologist. There you go, Okay. Next, nick Green Green, edison, new Jersey, graphic artist, Musician, human rights advocate, inclusive person. Well, you're in the wrong Pult, I hate to break it to you. Scientologist Dr Dominic Cusano, chicago, illinois, chiropractic doctor, racquetball player, anti-drug champion I love that racquetball player makes it on the list higher Skateboarder. Anti-drug champion and Scientologist. That's pretty hilarious. Okay. Barry Kaziar, clearwater, florida, okay, yeah, no brainer there. Entrepreneur, marketing guy, children's rights advocate, father Scientologist Nicole Weldon, tujunga, california. Tujunga is probably second to Clearwater in terms of a hotbed of Scientologists.
Speaker 1:No, I wouldn't say that. There's just a lot that live there, but not a hotbed. Not a hotbed. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2:Property manager. Spiritual counselor. Great-grandmother, scientologist Kay Curtis, burbank, california. Educator, community tutor. Spiritual counselor. Great grandmother, scientologist k curtis, burbank, california. Educator, community tutor. Dog, mom. Human rights defender. Scientologist jason effron, medford, new york. Retail manager. Father. Human rights advocate, scientologist samara jimenez edison, new jersey. Administrator. Wife crafter. Truth, truth wanter.
Speaker 1:I think it says truth. Is it truth wanter or truth warrior?
Speaker 2:It's truth wanter.
Speaker 1:No, it's give me that, give me that.
Speaker 2:That's what mine says, unless my glasses are really blurry, which could be. It says truth wanter.
Speaker 1:She's right, folks. It says truth.
Speaker 2:Truth wanter.
Speaker 1:Once again, i'm'm sorry, but you're in the wrong place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know seriously you're gonna make this up.
Speaker 1:That's why this is I'm gonna ridiculous, I'm gonna go on a limb and say seeker is a higher than a wanter. He's. She wants the truth, she wants it, but he's not ready to seek for it?
Speaker 2:yeah, he's at least looking for it. She's uh, what do you call it? Passive she wants it not, she's not into doing. Seek for it. Yeah, he's at least looking for it. She's a what do you call it? Passive she wants it, she's not into doing anything about it. Just yet. Dean Hassinger, lone Oak, texas, telecommunications technician, father of three, scientologist. Andrea Olivo, moorpark, california, chiropractor, mom, stepmom, wife, gardener, director. Mom, stepmom, wife, gardener, health enthusiast, scientologist Wow.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute. Oh, I see she's a mom, but she's also a stepmom. Is that a?
Speaker 2:And also she's a wife.
Speaker 1:Is that a double duty, mom?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:If you're a stepmom and you're just a regular mom.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't know there was different levels of mom. Yeah, I mean yeah, okay. Yeah, I didn't know there was different levels of mom.
Speaker 2:There's all kinds of yeah. Steve Wagner, los Angeles, california, researcher, writer, musician, human rights advocate, scientologist. Oh and, by the way, we should mention if any of you new people that we're reading out here have since exited the cult of Scientology, reach out to us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, now again, I'm on the second page now. Okay, the ones that are crossed out are ones that are on the original list.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:They're still there. If you guys want to look them up or read them, you can still clearly read it. We didn't cross it out so you couldn't read it. We just crossed it out because they were on the old list.
Speaker 2:I was just doing my Michael Scanling, Berkeley, California, photographer, hiker husband, super uncle, Is that what that says?
Speaker 1:It does say super uncle.
Speaker 2:Oh my God. Ambassador of goodwill, scientologist. Okay, well, there you have it, stephanie. I hope it's doing it for you, michael. Stephanie Stith, san Fernando, california, makeup artist, actress, wife, concerned mother, scientologist. You know what, if I was a mother in Scientology, you have every right to be concerned. You should be watching out for your children and protecting them from the cult of Scientology.
Speaker 1:I wonder if that's any relation to Shel Stith I used to work with Shel Stith. Maybe that might be her daughter or sister, yep, well, no, it couldn't be her sister, because they're all from. They have a different last name.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Anyway.
Speaker 1:Stephanie Stith. I bet you they're related to Shel.
Speaker 2:We have plenty of people we can ask about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, that's the other thing. We should say that we talk to Scientologists all the time we do. They write in, they talk to Scientologists all the time.
Speaker 2:We do.
Speaker 1:They write in, they talk to us, even people that are. They don't want any help or need anything from the aftermath. They just want to tell us, they just want to give us hot skinny on what's going on, and so they tell us things. So sometimes when we get these things from Scientologists there are, depending on where they live and what circle they run in we just say, hey, do you know who this person is? They'll be like oh yeah, that's blah, blah, blah. And then they'll tell us all the juicy gossip that that person's like oh yeah, they got in trouble for this the other day and they had to do amends, and so it's easy. Scientologists, if they're one thing, they do keep track of each other and they do gossip the shit out of about each other.
Speaker 2:That gossip the shit out of about each other. That's one thing that happens in there. Yep, all right, keep going along. Angela shark, los angeles, california, real estate professional, aunt, sister, prison counselor, scientologist. Um. Alexa alborzi, redwood city, california, orthodontist, motorcyclist, mother, grandmother, freedom fighter, scientologist. You should fight for your own freedom if you want to be a freedom fighter, just saying. Sisu Rakin, studio City, california, educator, community volunteer, mother, performing artist, scientologist Okay. Kathleen Welch, burbank, california, veterinary hospital CFO, mother, sister, wife, food drive volunteer, scientologist. They are definitely getting weaker on their titles, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's a lot. I mean they really. I mean you could just say blah, blah, blah. Mom, that's good enough, I know you don't have to go past that.
Speaker 2:So this is beyond faulty. Carl Miller, glendale, california, business executive. Professional speaker, cyclist, traveler, scientologist Kathy Feshback.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's just talk about Kathy.
Speaker 2:Feshback for a second. Yes, let's talk.
Speaker 1:Okay, which one is she the mom of?
Speaker 2:She's Melissa and Jessica's mom.
Speaker 1:Okay, we were.
Speaker 2:I believe, yeah, yeah, no, for sure, claire was best friends with her daughter. Yes.
Speaker 1:And best friends with her cousin.
Speaker 2:We were you actually at the wedding party, and let's not skip over the.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, no, no, we'll get to her daughter. We'll get to her daughter. We were at the wedding.
Speaker 1:Both of us, two weddings of the Feshback daughters. Yes, and we were friends with Melissa. Melissa used to let me borrow her car at the international headquarters because she was a Feshback kid. Her parents, they had tons of dough, they just bought her a car and she was one of few people who had a car. Now, this is the craziest thing. She could never drive the car. She wasn't allowed to drive her car for most of the years that she was there. And the reason that she wasn't allowed to drive her car for most of the years that she was there and the reason that she wasn't allowed to drive the car Claire.
Speaker 2:Because she escaped with said car. She escaped from the headquarters in Gilman Hot Springs, california. She drove out the gate and, ironically of all things though, you know what she did. It's actually sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah. She drove herself to the rehabilitation project course, oh, in los angeles yeah, you got to put your mic in there, I know I know, oh, that was, that was fun yeah, I just I keep having to move you over because you're somehow you keep slipping out of frame. You just keep sliding more and more out. Okay, so we were very friendly with the Feshbacks. Yes, and also, like I said, you were in the wedding party of Katie Feshback. Yep, I used to drive Melissa's car all the time.
Speaker 2:Katie was our roommate.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, we were roommates with Katie Feshback. Yep, and I don't want to out the guy, but remember the guy I was telling the story about in the video last week. He was the one married to Katie Feshback. Yep, and I don't want to out the guy, but remember the guy I was telling the story about in the video last week. He was the one married to Katie Feshback, the guy that had the thoughts and the meeting about David Miscavige. You got to go watch last site. You got to watch that Scientology secrets episode three. If you want to watch that story, he was married to one of the Feshback gals. Okay, now, the reason Melissa could never drive her car is because she tried to escape with her car, but then she constantly was having thoughts of leaving, so she could never get okay to drive her car again, and that was the only reason that I got to drive it all the time. So it's funny that her um, that Melissa's mom and Katie's aunt, kathy, is now on this list.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we know all kinds of. There's all kinds of fetch back. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say one crazy thing as long as we're talking about the fetch backs, and then we'll keep going with the list Okay. But aren't the fetch backs the one where the dad and mom got a divorce and the dad married the babysitter? So of one of the other families. Yeah, like mom and a dad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they had their.
Speaker 1:Anyway, it doesn't matter, I'm just saying One of the Theshbag.
Speaker 2:There's three brothers. One of the brothers married somebody who had a daughter already from a prior marriage. So, that became his stepdaughter. That stepdaughter became the babysitter for one of the other brothers, who was her step uncle.
Speaker 1:And then he married her.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And then they had kids.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So that's just a five seconds venture into the Feshback family guys. Okay. So let's not get all excited about the project here, kathy.
Speaker 2:Okay, keep going kathy now lives in clearwater, florida. She's a mom, philanthropic, fundraiser, religious freedom fighter and guess what? She's a scientologist. Uh jill carmel, from sacramento, california, photographer, gardener, wife, community volunteer, backpacker and Scientologist. Margie Maselli, los Angeles, california, singer, songwriter, horseback rider, mom, drug prevention volunteer. Scientologist. Bob Ely Tujunga, california, claims adjuster, musician, husband, truth disseminator. Scientologist Samantha Elkin, los Angeles, california, executive guitarist, mother, athlete. She's also a truth seeker folks.
Speaker 1:Is there another page? Because that's the last page.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's one more page.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't have another page, I'll just read the ones. There's not many on this page, most there's one more page.
Speaker 2:Okay, I don't have another page. Okay, well, I'll just read the ones. There's not many on this page. Most of them are.
Speaker 1:I wanted to see that. Is that Ingrid, or the gal that switched names?
Speaker 2:Oh no, where is she? Oh, that's on this one. Oh weird, okay, yeah, so Noelle Rogers, who was previously Ingrid Rogers, on the last document.
Speaker 1:She is now Noelle Rogers, and she is also a producer, actress, mother, wife, champion of truth.
Speaker 1:The thing I wanted to say, though, guys, is if anybody out there knows I think this woman is Noelle North, If somebody can tell me or not if Noelle or Ingrid Rogers is also Noel North. If you look up Noel North Subway Restaurant or Noel North Anonymous Protest, there is a woman named Noel North, and if you know a Noel Rogers and this is the same person I'd love to know get in the comments and bleepity bloop that, but I want to say she is an OSA volunteer who kicked a little girl, a family, a little girl and her family out of a subway because they were wearing masks during an anonymous protest, and they left the protest to go to get some sandwiches at a nearby subway. And they left the protest to go to get some sandwiches at a nearby subway, and Noel North went in there and had them thrown out of the subway for some reason. I remember that If this is Noel North, I think I suspect that Ingrid Rogers, who then morphed into Noel Rogers, is actually Noel North.
Speaker 2:Yep, all right. So we're down to the last six, and there's some interesting characters on this one. So we volunteer Scientologist. Timothy Baxter, pipe Stem, west Virginia CEO, father and husband, philanthropist, criminal rehabilitation. Volunteer Scientologist, here we go. Jim Meskimen, glendale, california writer, journalist, first Amendment advocate, husband, father, scientologist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so now Jim Meskimen is another one. So Jim Meskimen is a comedian. It doesn't say comedian on here at all. It doesn't say comedian.
Speaker 2:He's not funny anymore. That's why.
Speaker 1:It says whoa shots fired. Hey, wow, just stating the facts. Jim Meskimen Sorry about that, jim, I mean, I don't know, that was harsh, I thought you were funny Writer, journalist, First Amendment advocate, husband, father, scientologist. He is also an impressionist and a comedian of sorts. I want to say they do like sketch or improv comedy, jim Meskimen, and he was part of a group called um. Was it upright citizens or I don't remember what? They had a little group. They were part of um him, christopher Smith, tate Rupert, um Tamara Tamara or Tamara Meskimen, his wife, a whole bunch of them. Anyway, he is also um was made famous by us in the very, I want to say 2007,. Maybe back in 2007, when we were starting to. We would have these things in the early days. We'd have these things called SP parties. We'd find any and all suppressive persons we could find we could get our hands on and we'd invite them to a party and we'd start sharing notes and see what was doing in different places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because you know what we've learned about SPs when they talk and compare notes. Boy, that is powerful.
Speaker 1:And Scientology hates that. So we would have these things, we'd call them SP parties and we'd invite all these people together. We would have these things, we'd call them SP parties and we'd invite all these people together. And we were friends with a ton of Scientologists on Facebook at the time. Like Claire and I probably had like 100 friends each. There were people that were in Scientology and we were doing all this stuff, but they didn't know who we were because I was blown for good and so nobody knew. Mark Headley was also blown for good. Anyway, regardless, we were causing a lot of problems and Jim Meskimen was going through our Facebook page and finding every single person who was a Scientologist and he'd send them a message and say, hey, just so you know, you get this guy, mark Headley, up on your page here and he's a. He's a not so good guy. He wrote a book about it.
Speaker 2:Notice, notice, he doesn't say Facebook police, I know, but he said, but he said in there.
Speaker 1:this is the best part. He said he wrote a book about int and when he said that.
Speaker 1:Telling you, this dude sold so many of my book to Scientologists when he said he wrote a book about int, because in Scientology they actually call the int base what do you know what the nickname? They call it Over the rainbow. They call it over the rainbow because no one's ever been there, no one knows what's there and that's where the great, that's where the great wizard lives of in int, at the int base. And so when he said he wrote a book about int, and all the Scientologists he was sending this to were like, oh, I'm going to disconnect, I'm going to unfriend him right away. They'd unfriend me and then they'd buy a copy of my book and then they'd message me on some other thing other than Facebook and we'd get to chatting and then we'd get him out of Scientology. So thank you, jim. I appreciate that You've done a lot of great work for our cause and we would like to say thank you yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And more of the same.
Speaker 2:On that note, thanks, Osa. You sold a ton of our books with this letter from yesterday as well. In fact, one of the people that you sent the letter to said hey, didn't Mark write a book I would love to read that? I said you know what? I have a complimentary copy for you right here and they're, and they were like, oh, I'm gonna be reading it this weekend. So interesting, yeah. So there you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, that was jim meskimen is that the end, or there's more? There are two more oh, I don't have any of these, so I just put the main camera back two more to read the read the last one speaking about paris morphopolis?
Speaker 2:no, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:On the first one he was not oh, you guys have got to look up. We've got to put a link to paris. There's a paris morop, I don't know how to say morphopolis morphopolis.
Speaker 1:Um, he did a video. I pronounced it right. He did a good job, babe you. I'll give you a sticker after this. Um, this guy did a video with mark bunker. We've got to find that video. Put a link to it in the description. He basically paris, is an osa operative and has been for decades. Because he's an ot. He, he knows about xenu and the body things. Have I ever mentioned what a great band name that would be?
Speaker 2:Anyway, he knows all about. It's Friday night, folks. I'm sorry. As I mentioned, it's been a long week and we were planning to be here, but, osa, you made us do it.
Speaker 1:He knows all about Zeno and the Body Thetans and he knows they let him engage with critics like he did with Mark Bunker the Lisa McPherson days. He did a lot of work. He even when Mark Bunker was on city council and Mark Bunker Paris is on the Clearwater. It's like some business he used to be I don't know if they have it still business development committee or you know some. It's basically just a.
Speaker 2:It's just a giant time suck, waste of time I have to just say I'm gonna go back and read this chat, kb. I'm happy to be in the truth giver group and would love to be a cat wrangler I'd love to be a cat wrangler.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be so funny if you, if somebody did that. Yes, sp.
Speaker 2:Copy first SP, SP, SP lover, BFG supporter, committee of evidence hater floating needle doubter Boom. There we go.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I am just realizing that the chat has must has. They've, it looks like.
Speaker 2:I know guys, we haven't been following the chat very closely.
Speaker 1:It looks like the chat's gone out All this nonsense.
Speaker 2:But you know, like I said, I'll go back and catch up.
Speaker 1:Looks like the chat's been very spicy tonight. Looks like tons of fun. Okay, are there any more? Okay, there's one last one, paris.
Speaker 2:Morphopolis, last of this cast of bandits. Jeff Murphy, los Angeles, california, paralegal Researcher, amateur amateur historian and Scientologist.
Speaker 1:There you go. Those are the additions, okay.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Anyway, guys, if you know who any of these folks are, or if you like just wasting your time on the Internet looking for people, or if you've got like a, you know that was the other funny thing is that certain people in their work may have access to certain databases, or you know, scientology does this all the time. They go oh, you work at Verizon, oh, we've got some questions for you, and then the next thing, you know, your phone's closed, anyway, but they if somebody works at the post office or somebody works at this place or works at Wells Fargo or works at, so they get info on people. But in the chat and we've seen this on our channel a ton of times some of these people they're paralegals or they're private investigators or they're whatever they're in that world and they can just look. They have one of these Nexus Lexus people databases and they just jam all these people into that thing and we just get pages and pages of reports.
Speaker 1:So if you're one of those folks, if you're still out there, we appreciate it when you do that. And also, sometimes we find out these people aren't exactly who they say they are. Or if you really find out who they are, you're like, oh my God, this is the guy that did this, or this is the guy that did this. You know, you've got to look at Tony's blog. There was one of these guys who blew up a political office and burned up a car dealership, and he was a Scientologist, yep, and his mom was like the executive at the local.
Speaker 2:Albuquerque Scientology organization. Go read about it at the undergroundbunkercom. But I did want to mention too that. So we talked about the signatures and the names that were on the first letter or one of the earlier letter from 2023. Yeah, and now the new letter from 2025.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's worth noting, they are, of course course, the exact same signatures. So again, if you were on the first list of signatures and you've now left Scientology and want to talk to us about this, please do.
Speaker 1:Oh, you mean that the signatures they're just like a digital thing. So they just added a bunch more people we don't even know. I mean, we would love to know if you were on one of the old list and you're not on there anymore. We would love to know, like did you know about the letter? Did they tell you about the letter? Just do they just put your are your names on all letters that comes out from this place?
Speaker 2:And also, did you even ever sign anything ever?
Speaker 1:Well, but also are there other people out there who've gotten letters from the Stanley?
Speaker 2:Right, I've never seen one. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1:I've never seen one of these letters. Do the Stanley write letters to anybody else? Does anybody have a copy of a Stanley letter that you got or somebody got for somebody else? Is it right? Are we the only people who get letters? I mean, I don't know what's going on here, guys. I don't need these guys. The only people who get letters.
Speaker 2:I mean I don't know what's going on here. Guys, I don't. These guys, to be honest, it I mean as much as it. So we are the intended audience of this letter. They're intending to to screw with us yes, 100 and mess with us. But but the way that we take it because we've been speaking out about scientology for a while we just take it as a pat on the back like, hey, good job, keep going remember Do more. Thus we're here on Friday night.
Speaker 1:Remember when I said we get that warm fuzzy feeling. We don't always hear from people all the time. Sometimes the aftermath we help people through the aftermath and then sometimes people write into the channel or we also have the podcast. We get all these people listening to the podcast. I think we're up to like 10,000 downloads a week on the podcast, which is amazing it's. I mean, 10,000 people is 10,000 people, but every once in a while we find out one of these people is a Scientologist. They write in. They say you know what? I've been listening to your podcast for like two years and, um, I'm, I love Scientology. I was like this can't be this.
Speaker 1:I mean, guys, we were there for 15 years at the headquarters. We can tell you stories for 15 years.
Speaker 2:Something happened every day, but technically we did the math on this one time because of the hours we work. Oh yeah, we have 30 years of stories, Because you know. That's right, and we also were only 15 years of stories would be premised on eight hours of hours a day, right.
Speaker 1:You know, and also there was so many crazy things happening all the time that a lot of times we'll talk to somebody from there and then they'll remind us of a whole like 10 other things that happened that we just totally forgot about because just everything was insane. So it's hard to when even sometimes we're telling people about something, they go why have we ever talked about this? And like it was like a tuesday, it's happened like once a month for like eight years in a month it's a little brain dead.
Speaker 2:The brain tissues are still recovering from all that nonsense, so my bad anyway.
Speaker 1:So the other thing I wanted to say is because a lot of people write and they say I'm really sorry they do this to you and I'm really sorry this. They put out the hate videos and all that. You can't worry. I mean, let's, let's. There's billions of people on the planet. Why would what? Why would you want to worry yourself and be thinking about what? Like a couple hundred thing. Who cares? It's a couple hundred people, right. In the overall scheme of things, no one cares what those hundred people think. No one cares the. But there's people that are being hurt, thousands of people that are being abused, and they're working for no money and doing all this other stuff. So david miscavige can live like a king and they're just. It's horrible. If you worked at the place where we worked, it's miserable. It's it literally. People have ended themselves because they couldn't leave that place.
Speaker 1:It's happened many times yeah so if we can help those people get out, that'd be great. That they talk shit about us on the internet, it's kind of like okay, that means we're doing our jobs, that means we're getting the work done.
Speaker 2:And also it accomplishes two things in my mind that they are completely oblivious of Number one if they are the fastest growing religion in the world, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Millions of members. How on?
Speaker 2:earth. Do they have time to send a letter about Mark and I who left 20 years ago?
Speaker 1:Seriously, that's right, this is our 20-year anniversary 20 years we haven't been there and they're talking shit about us to our clients, about a picture that also was from 20 years ago.
Speaker 2:And guess what? Not only are they showing how they use their tax exempt dollars, but also they're showing everybody that they send these letters to exactly how much of a cult they are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also that they do exactly what we say they do. Correct, we've been saying exactly this is what they do. They jack with you.
Speaker 2:They try to destroy your lives. Yeah, right here, folks, as of April 17th 2025. Is there a?
Speaker 1:Masterson on there. Wait, is Walter Masterson related in any way to Danny Masterson? Serious question.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think there's a Walter Masterson. There's a Walter, but I think it's a different last name. We'll take a look closer.
Speaker 1:Either way, we put them up there. But that's what we want to know. We want to know what you guys think. Who are these people? What are their deals? Anybody got any hot skinny on these folks? If you get us some hot skinny and it's worth talking about, we'll do another video. We'll say, hey, we got an update on Blippity Blooper. We got Ingrid Rogers Noel Rogers Noel North gal is the one you thought it was and let's talk about her and maybe we'll put the link to the Subway video and all that happy hula.
Speaker 2:I love Linda P Golan's comment. She says we need a contest Best self-description. I love that.
Speaker 1:People are going to now start writing in the chat. You know, like Betsy, sue, mother, sister, brother, aunt, uncle, everybody's just going to list everything they can possibly list Truth digger.
Speaker 2:Don't be a seeker, be a digger.
Speaker 1:Truth duster offer.
Speaker 2:Truth, reinventer Truth fluffer Truth. Offer Truth Reinventor, truth Fluffer, truth Definer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've already. Claire says, we've been doing that.
Speaker 2:Oh nice. Hey, thanks for the beard love Longer.
Speaker 1:look beard marks. Beard is tremendous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's do a few comments and then we'll do our giveaway. And while you pull that up, shout out to Clara and Catherine, our amazing mods. Thanks to everyone joining us this fine Friday night for our OSA Scientology Secrets update.
Speaker 1:Scientology Exposed. We need a contest. Best self-description.
Speaker 2:There we go. That would be pretty epic.
Speaker 1:That's the comment Clara was talking about.
Speaker 2:Okay, Okay, love it, love it. Singer, songwriter, musician, cat owner, coffee drinker, bakes bread. Loves it, love it. Oh my gosh, all right, sudi. What's a human rights activist and a child activist doing in that cult? Exactly not any of that, that's yes, sure, this is guys.
Speaker 1:This is. This is a perfect example of the bubble these guys are in.
Speaker 2:Completely, it's insane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got child activists in there and it's like, hey, what about the kids in the C organization down at the place where you go every night?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's that are 14 years old.
Speaker 1:They're working 120 hours a week and pulling all nighters.
Speaker 2:They're 14 years old. They're working 120 hours a week and pulling all-nighters, right, miss Child Activist? Let me tell you what it's like to grow up in the cadet organization. You are not going to want to hear any of it, believe you me. All right, love it Backpacker. What On your Sunday morning, few hours off.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Seriously, oh my God, jackson.
Speaker 1:Moorhead in the house.
Speaker 2:Hey, you too, hey, hey hey, hey, jackson Haggis, basher F Sainto, they do realize that makes them complicit in defamation. Yes, completely. I think Melanie Johnson Some of those titles seem kind of contradictory. Human rights advocate while you're trafficking humans? Yeah, exactly, completely. That's the bubble 420 audits Ireland. She escaped in a car and drove to another Scientology building. She did, I know it's very sad. That's Melissa Feshback.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because and the reason why is because her parents were in Scientology.
Speaker 1:So she was so desperate to get off that property that she literally just escaped. She basically, if you escape from the international headquarters, there is an L Ron Hubbard thing that says you have to get declared and suppress a person, and the lesser evil of that is that you just go to the religious uh, the rehabilitation project for. So if you're in the c-org, if you, if the the, if you don't get declared a suppressive person, the only, usually the only other possible route is that you go to this reprogramming camp for many, many years and then maybe you can go back into the c-org after that's over and be a regular c-org member again. And so when she left because her entire family is in Scientology, she knew that if she got declared she would never see her family again. So she drove to the location where the Rehabilitation Project Force was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And said I just want to do this, I'm going here. And then guess what? Here's the kicker. They didn't let her do the Rehabilitation Project Force. They made her go back to the property, which is the thing she didn't want to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the other kicker is the other reason she wanted to go to the Rehabilitation Project Force in Los Angeles is because her husband was there. She was like 19 at the time. They'd been married for two years, of which you don't remember this.
Speaker 1:Which husband nathaniel oh, that's right, because he got assigned to la yes, so it was at the end base.
Speaker 2:They get transferred to la yes, so she, it was 19, had been married for like two years and had been with her husband for maybe two months and couldn't even see him ever.
Speaker 1:She was mel Melissa Epstein. Was it Melissa Epstein?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:She was married to Nathaniel.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right. Yes.
Speaker 1:I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:I think they ended up getting a divorce though.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then she was still at the property and he was still in LA. Yeah, I think he's still in Los Angeles to this day. Probably I think somebody took a picture and they saw him in one, anyway. Okay, let's keep going, mitch.
Speaker 2:Mitch, I always suspected Mark couldn't hold his booze.
Speaker 1:Okay, Just just for the record. Okay, Mitch, Mitch, we'll do a drink off. Next time we're together.
Speaker 2:Next time We'll do, we'll go rum and Coke to rum and Coke.
Speaker 1:And so we'll see Jeez, wheeze, monkey cheese. Um, okay, here we go, okay harvey denton.
Speaker 2:I love how they always use the anti-religious bigot line. They really have nothing else. Exactly that's what I said. I know I'm like, wow, really you osa sucks, sucks to suck, mitch brisker. Except the anti-defamation league stands up for lgbtqia and human rights abuses in general. They should be ashamed to even mention the ADL Yep.
Speaker 1:Did they mention the ADL in there?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure. I have to look into it, okay, keep going KJE11. And what about the continued cover-up of various essay charges committed by Searge members? Karma will come.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and the whole Danny Masterson thing, right, and it's just like come on guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, literally Fuck buddy. Dm is envious of Claire's height. He wishes he was tall enough for the adult rides at Disneyland.
Speaker 1:It's true, Guys, he's definitely a. He's definitely a. This is a small world right.
Speaker 2:It's a small, small world. Trisha Cowden. I'm looking at the timing. Is it possible they are paying more attention since Mike Rinder's death? It is very possible. Yeah, melanie Johnson question Do they get capes to go along with these titles? Yeah, exactly, seriously, I might. Actually, my working theory is that these people are they sign a thing that they that says they'll contribute to these letters as part of a liability formula, and this is them making amends to get back into good standing as Scientologists for thinking about leaving said cult. That's my theory. Gretchen Philly. Thanks for the super sticker. Agt Mom question. Did you say more billboards are going up? Stay tuned.
Speaker 2:Tune in tomorrow We'll be talking a lot about this. Lots more to come.
Speaker 1:We're doing a fundraiser for the aftermath tomorrow. We want to get as many people on there as possible and we're going to have some special guests which you guys if you guys have been watching the channel or if you watched any of our older videos, you'll know a lot of these special guests. But we're going to have. I think we've got like three or four people lined up right now.
Speaker 2:Right, At least that we're going to have on for little like segments, yeah, and it will be a dedicated hour of foundation news updates. That is 100 a fundraiser, which means that, um, all the funds, youtube covers the fees, and all the funds go directly to support the michael j rinder aftermath foundation.
Speaker 1:yeah, there you go it's going to be awesome yep, uh longer, look killer. Youtube commenter yeah, that was his title that he was going to put oh there we go, killer YouTube.
Speaker 2:They're still doing that. I love it. They're still going, it hasn't stopped at all. Power lies to paralyze Joe Siento. Tide Shoelace, advocate, random Litter, picker, upper or Creator, ball Thrower, cat Dad, scientologist I love it.
Speaker 1:Small amount of saliva routine swallower.
Speaker 2:If we do do a contest, then it should be like all the titles and it should end with not a Scientologist, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's one more.
Speaker 2:All right, xenoite Cat Wrangler, seeker of Carbs and Pizza Form, warrior of Blown for Good Watcher. Nice, I love it.
Speaker 1:That's the best okay, let's see if there's anything else dr x is here oh, there's dr x is the fake navy davy slosh in mark's background in reference to mark's photo they sent out with the letter yeah, I guess he, one of those dudes, took a hit. He definitely wiped out. Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice that the cat.
Speaker 2:The cat might have been in here, messing with him. Oh, let's see chain reaction. Yeah, it is. Oh, they're all gonna. Now the whole cluster is falling apart now, oh, jesus oh, no, oh no.
Speaker 1:Oh no, oh no. Okay, get back. These guys are unruly back here.
Speaker 2:All right, there you go. Okay, here we go. Clara says Mark casually destroying the set.
Speaker 1:Exactly, hey Dr X. Thanks, yeah, oh, my goodness, look at this, see hot skinny coming fast.
Speaker 2:Catherine Nathaniel Epstein was last married to kate krieger. Yeah, back in. What was that like? 2006 mark? And I made a list of all the divorces in the c organization.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, it's crazy it was like it was hundreds of divorces, yeah, hundreds, at a place that only had like 450 to 600 people kind of back it. Well, maybe 800 people at its peak, peak peak, there's 800 people, but there were hundreds and hundreds of divorces between people there was. There was gals there that were married.
Speaker 1:I want to say six or seven, six or seven, yeah, and in a cult that professes to have the technology to save any relationship yeah, that's the one that's like master of relationship, wife number five I know, seriously ridiculous um. Dr epps is getting a lot of love in the comments here hey, awesome.
Speaker 2:Hope everyone had a great good fr Friday. Awesome KB. Hey, dr X, nice Catherine. Hi Dr X Dr X. Our love to Dr Paul Dr X. There you go.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh my God, I stumbled onto this guy. Somebody sent me a link. I haven't been on the. There's a discord thing where they talk about Scientology. I had been on there forever and I went on there and there's, like I want to say, hundreds and hundreds of pictures of the fake navy, davy and the mike render bobblehead just everywhere, like in 50 different airports yeah monuments. I think some of them are ai, but a lot of them. You can see the person holding it in the picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but um, there's like that was from, but there's like a gazillions of pictures of the bobbleheads and the fake Navy Davies adventuring around in places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love this one. Jill says bumper sticker. My other car is a Z new spaceship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. I like that, I like that. We do, I'm trying to get. I'm trying to get some new I got, we did. We put the aftermath um stickers. No, no, the bumper stickers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know we're going to talk about that tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you can get aftermath bumper stickers now. Um, but we're going to try to get some. Um, uh, we're going to try to get some. Xenu is my homeboy. Hail Xenu. What would Xenu do? Xenu and the Body Thetans. Have I ever mentioned what an amazing band name that would be? We could get a little Xenu and the Body Thetans.
Speaker 2:You're making me feel like I'm in Groundhog Day, like a band.
Speaker 1:Just make merch for this band that doesn't exist. We could have concert dates and everything. It would be amazing, anyway. So we're going to do some new Zinu stuff and we we do have the bumper stickers figured out. It took me a bit, but we were able to figure out how to do it. They do have stickers. Oh, the dogs just showed up. We literally the dog just burst into the studio and and, um, hey, how are you guys doing so?
Speaker 2:excited going outside. Put the camera on you while I here.
Speaker 1:I'll go to the way. Go to the. Oh, they missed him. I went. Go bring it back in here so the guys can see what the dogs look like. Here we go, bella. I'll put it on the background thing so you can see it. That's Bella, she's a German second. Hey, max, come on, come here.
Speaker 2:She's getting all excited.
Speaker 1:All right, and this is Max. He's a mutt, max, you boy. Okay, out Go. Oh, my God, the dogs came in the stream. That's the first time that's happened. I think the cats have broken into the stream, but Max knows how to open doors, so there's not really. If it has a yeah, if it has a flat handle, he can open it and close it and any door in the house he wants.
Speaker 2:So it's dinner time. I'm probably the kids oh yeah, claire's here. The dogs are starving. Okay, what were we?
Speaker 1:doing oh here, there you go. Claire's here, the dogs are starving. Okay, what were we doing? Oh, here we go. Recast Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow with Mark. That's just because I keep saying the same thing, okay, crazy.
Speaker 2:Cozy. I'm reading Crazy Cozy, can they manipulate phones? Yes, they have, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, they have cloned people. That has happened. Phones have been cloned, tracked, traced, intercepted.
Speaker 2:When we were living in LA, we would get letters. It happened at least three or four times where we would get a letter from the phone company saying, as you requested, we mailed a copy of your phone records.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we never got a copy of them, no, nor did we request a record of the phone records.
Speaker 2:So, then that's when we started researching if witness protection was an option.
Speaker 1:And, to be fair, in one of the spy files, in one of the first or something I don't remember what order it was in, but in one of the spy files we'll find it. We'll put a link in the description. They had all my phone records for months and months and months and they had the detail of the call and what was talked about.
Speaker 2:And they also had copies of every fax that we had sent too, remember, yes.
Speaker 1:They were intercepting our faxes somehow, Anyway. So yes, all kinds of nonsense. Glad I was here for the Max break-in. My cat also opens doors by jumping up to the handle there you go Exactly, yes. I love how they both just came in. We pet them.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, we got food no we'll get some food later. They were waiting for us patiently outside the door until Max got impatient for dinner.
Speaker 1:Okay, it says when are you doing?
Speaker 2:when are you doing going claire, merch? Oh yeah, that's a good point, yeah we never thought about that we never thought about that don't you, don't you have?
Speaker 2:oh, it's claire bear claire bear yeah, we have claire bear merch, though I think I have to re-add the hoodie that I was wearing the other day. There's claire bear tumblr, um, but yeah, we'll get on that great idea. I love it. Okay, um, okay, do you guys still meet up with leah remedy to work on getting people out of scientology? Absolutely, she's an amazing person. Um, and yes, buttons. Do you think any of the celebrities that are a part of scientology will ever leave the church? Well, le Leah did, and others have, jason Begay did. So yeah, there's it's possible.
Speaker 1:It's always possible, and also the more stuff that comes out and the more people that learn about Scientology the kind of more uncool it is to be in Scientology, obviously because they're you know it's a little wild over there.
Speaker 2:There's been some high profile people that have left recently. Yeah, I'm sure they'll announce it in their own time, but we, we were there for them. So there you go. Yay, uh, clara at love it. Yep. The foundation news and updates stream is still on for tomorrow, 3.00 PM, mountain standard time. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, here's one last one.
Speaker 2:Okay, shannon Graves, coming soon to Red Rocks, zeno and the Body, thanes.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's totally the first concert t-shirt I'm going to do is I'm going to do a Red Rocks one there we go.
Speaker 2:That would be amazing, great idea, awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, should we do the thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's do the draw and then we'll let everybody get back to this fine Friday night and we'll see everybody tomorrow.
Speaker 1:I have to figure out how to do this. I did it. Oh, there we go. There it is.
Speaker 2:Okay, draw.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I got to go up to the screen to do that part. Okay, here we go, and we've got a one, oh one, that's the number of entries. Good job.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know what I might have to refresh that I might have to refresh that.
Speaker 1:Hold on. I don't know if I refreshed it, will it go? Everybody away. Oh, I had to do it here, oh no, oh boy. Oh yeah, I did it, I got it. I boofed the doof on that one.
Speaker 2:This thing is challenging.
Speaker 1:Oh no, it did it, it went away, see only 28.
Speaker 2:Oh what? Oh no.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Really that's a bummer. Okay, quick comment, we'll do a few more questions.
Speaker 1:I'm going to do 28. We'll do two, we'll do a bunch. Screw it, we'll do a bunch.
Speaker 2:It's Friday. Comment if you'd like to be included. We're sorry, guys. We had technical difficulties.
Speaker 1:Jess Wilco.
Speaker 2:Activate PT's activate. Congratulations, jess. Send me an email, claire, at blownforgoodcom, with a link to what you would like from either the VFG merch store or the SP shop merch store and I will get that off to you.
Speaker 1:Awesome. Oh, it's already gone up. Oh, the entries are going crazy now.
Speaker 2:Here we go. Okay, good, so let's just do a few more comments.
Speaker 1:Oh okay, crazy now, here we go. Okay, good, so let's just do a few more comments, oh okay, yeah, we'll do another one then we'll do a few comments and we'll do another one.
Speaker 2:Sorry guys, sorry everyone who accidentally got boofed out of the. This makes up for the last it's just one comment la barba there you go.
Speaker 1:Congratulations who they really. That was a lot of confetti. Was that more confetti than the last one? I don't know, dream yard, I think. I think you were a little skimpy on the confetti on the last gal. You went all dump, dump two or three loads on Jessica here.
Speaker 2:Yes, All right, Jessica, shoot me an email claireatblownforgoodcom with a link to what you'd like and congratulations on winning and thank you for participating.
Speaker 1:To be fair, I must say I have to admit this.
Speaker 2:I do get unclear about doing so many giveaways. So the fact that we're doing multiple giveaways, I know.
Speaker 1:that's why I was like wow, you're like tricker, happy over here it's Friday, it's Friday. We really did have a great week, guys. When Scientology gets going, it is shitty. I can't not say it's not shitty, yep, because then it's just another weird awkward conversation I have to have with a vendor or a client.
Speaker 2:Which is mostly me yeah.
Speaker 1:But I did get. Oh, I don't know if I said that, so you got the email.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but then I got another email. Did we say that? No, we didn't. Okay so it's at least two so.
Speaker 1:Claire got an email and then I got an email. I got to tell you guys this I got an email from a very like a.
Speaker 2:It's a big client if he, if he said the name, you would absolutely know it without oh 100.
Speaker 1:Every single person knows this company. That's there's not. It's not possible that you're watching this and you don't know this company. It's impossible. Yep, and if you guys want to be like super investigators, you can go to my company. Super investigators, you can go to my company's website and you can look it up. It's not hard to figure out what my company is and what my website is and then go look at the companies that I do work for. But I got an email from that company and they were like what the hell? And they know me and they also, I think, they've read the book. I think that person that they sent the letter to has read my book.
Speaker 2:Yes, they have.
Speaker 1:And that person knows the whole story. And I actually had dinner with this person while we were at the site doing the job and we were at a restaurant for like an hour or two and she was asking me all kinds of stuff and she'd also seen the show. And so I mean she was asking me all kinds of stuff, yeah, and she'd also seen the show, yep, and so I mean, guys, it's kind of crazy that that's the one that got that. No, and this is the. Also. The other crazy part is this person is the public relations person for the company that's their job yeah, and that's their job is to be the public relations person for the company where we did the work but also hold on.
Speaker 2:There's a part that I wanted to mention, so this list has been on your website for a while. Yeah, so now two years later, on a Thursday, they decide oh, let's pick it up and send some more emails. Yeah, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they sent the emails at Thursday before two o'clock as well.
Speaker 2:That was my theory, but one of them was sent at 3 40 PM Pacific time.
Speaker 1:It's probably false reported in their stats, that's true, or they could be just getting going for next week. That's early.
Speaker 2:True, and that's that never happened.
Speaker 1:I know it's like Thursday two o'clock. That whole afternoon is like. Catherine will agree with me. That's not a thing. Nobody is hustling at 2 0, 5 pm for next week's staff.
Speaker 2:That just doesn't happen. Come on, this was 349, babe. I know, I know, but I was like, oh, I got it, they had to they. They decided to dust off the handling and pick up and send up. Send out some more emails.
Speaker 1:I forgot to say this, and code monkey just mentioned this. Yeah, um. Then I put Catherine's comment JV probably yelled at someone to do it. Oh, 100%. Yeah, they can't do like when Dave says you guys got to do this and you got to do that, and then they do it, and that happened in 2023. Yeah, they can't do it. I mean they could do it again, randomly, I guess, but they wouldn't unless he said hey, we need to send whatever. Whoever you guys sent that letter to before, that didn't make any difference.
Speaker 2:Go through their website again and see if there's somebody else the same letter, cause that makes total.
Speaker 1:Well, that last letter was probably the approved letter, and so it was the approved letter. So they want to change it but they did that.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, it was so ineffective. You need to send more.
Speaker 1:They added two paragraphs. That has to get approved. You can't just be adding two paragraphs willy-nilly. And they also added a bunch of another bunch of super moms and super uncles and freaking wonder twins and great grandmothers, and speakers of truth and champions of truth. Yeah, champions of truth, yeah, anyway, the truth would change. So think about that, guys. You're the head of a cult that's got millions and millions of people, but you give the dollars and billions. They do have the billions of dollars part.
Speaker 1:They do, they don't have millions of members, but they got some billions of dollars. But just pretend you got billions of dollars and there's two people on the internet, on YouTube, talking shit about you. If you've got millions and millions of members, what do you care about? Two people on the interwebs talking about you? But if you got 20,000 people and we get easily 20,000 views a week on the channel channel and there's a whole bunch of those that are scientologists, yep, then now we got a problem.
Speaker 1:There's no way this happens, no way osa can do stuff without david muscavige either ordering that they do it, telling somebody to tell them to do it, or telling somebody else to do it, and then they use osa to do it. There's no way this happens without david muscavige fake navy davy himself ordering it or having some involvement in it, and 100 he's getting updated. We sent this letter to these guys. We sent this letter to these guys and then they did a video about it and here's the video and they admitted to this and they admitted to that and they said this and now we have this. This is all happening right now. Guys, somebody at osa is watching this video and keeping notes you can get out is crazy time, guys.
Speaker 1:This is. This is basically an osa op in real time. You're you're listening to me tell you exactly what's happening this is what they did yesterday this is april 17th. It's april 18th. We're gonna do and this is also right before we've got this big aftermath fundraiser on saturday.
Speaker 2:We've got some amazing, huge announcement coming on monday yes, we have um, yeah, and we all.
Speaker 1:I really wish we could tell you guys some of the things that we have been working on, but.
Speaker 1:I'm going going for the single for this one. Listen, guys, we have between now, let's say, 2025 and 2027. We have so many amazing things that are happening and Scientology thinks they know what's going on and they have no idea what's going on. And the amount of Scientologists that we're talking to, the amount of people that we're helping get out the things that are going on behind the scenes, the things that are being worked on projects that are going behind the scenes, the things that are being worked on projects that are going, are going to be amazing. And if you want to know about those things, hit the bell notification and subscribe down below. Okay, let's do another giveaway. You ready?
Speaker 2:I'm ready.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to go back up to this guy. It always does that, and then I always have to do that, and then we're going to draw again. I'm not touching any buttons, I'm just going to say draw again. And it's drawing again. Robert, they threw you right in there, dr x, I'll see. You can see a lot, catherine nice oh whoa jeff almost got longer look longer look, there we go awesome commenter tonight congratulations longer.
Speaker 1:Look, he got it. I mean, we didn't do three giveaways and there were more than 100 between all three, so I think I unboofed the boof. Anyway, look at Clara over here. I got to go.
Speaker 2:Killer YouTube commenter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Congratulations Longer. Look. Send me an email clarablombergcom with the item of your choosing, and I will get that sent to you. Send me an email claireatblownforgoodcom with the item of your choosing, and I will get that sent to you. Clara, spill the tea, mark, it's just us.
Speaker 1:You're 277 closest YouTube friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're actually up to 399.
Speaker 1:Well, that's how many comments, I think there are no.
Speaker 2:that's viewers right now.
Speaker 1:Oh you're right. Oh yeah, live viewers. Oh you're right, because we also see Twitter and Facebook and Twitch. That's true, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 1:I never, I never could figure out why that was always more than YouTube, because it's everything. Yeah, yeah, there's 120 people watching on X right now as well, just so you know. Hey guys watching on X, that's where I do watch a ton of videos. I watch a ton of videos on YouTube too. Yeah, okay, yes, claire, okay, good, okay, what time tomorrow? It's 3 pm Mountain Standard Time. You guys got to do the math.
Speaker 2:2 pm Pacific Time, it is 4 pm Central Time, 5 pm Eastern, and that's what I got for right now on tap.
Speaker 1:So Code Monkey says more people watching now than at the end base.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have exactly yeah, we literally have 400 people watching, right now, that's great, awesome. If you look at the live screen which is up, I'll tell you in your time zone it'll tell you oh yeah, it'll tell you.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you're right, we'll put a we'll put a link on. Youtube and if you go to that link it will tell you what time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you can also just subscribe and hit the bell notification icon. The other thing is we want to do thanks, sarah. We also want to do a thing where we're trying to get as many people to subscribe to the Aftermath channel, because if the Aftermath channel can get, is it?
Speaker 1:2,000 10,000 subscribers, um, then they can do a fundraiser and then we can all just link to the aftermaths fund fundraiser. We can still the. The aftermath is set up as a non-profit on youtube, so even when we do a fundraiser on our channel or on amy scoby's channel or any of the other channels that are part of this, we we actually set up this coming the the fundraiser for tomorrow so that any channel that wants to support it can.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's exactly correct. Any channel can support the fundraiser that we're doing and and all of the proceeds for the donations for the fundraiser go to the aftermath foundation. None of the people in the aftermath take a salary. None of the board members that are part of the board of the aftermath um take a salary. Uh, none of the board members, um that are a part of the board of the Michael J Rinder aftermath foundation. None of us, uh, take a salary to work on the aftermath. So the amount of money that goes towards um helping people get out and helping people get back on their feet it's like 99.9% of the goes to that. Yep, um, okay, great, anything else Do we do, do we? We did it all right, we did it.
Speaker 2:We did the stuff we got you up to speed on all the nonsense for the week and tomorrow will be fun filled, action packed hour of foundation news updates.
Speaker 1:It will be. And, guys, guess what? Thanks for tuning in, thanks for watching, thanks for listening. If you're listening on the podcast, we're not going to stop doing what we're doing. Scientology is just going to either have to stop messing with people or just let people go, or whatever. But if they keep doing hate websites and they keep sending letters and they keep putting out nonsense, we're going to keep doing this, and we're your, we're your Batman Joker. That's how it's going to keep doing this, and we're your, we're your Batman Joker. That's how it's going to be. If you want to, if, if there's no Joker, there's no Batman. If there's no Batman, there's no Joker. But as long as you're there, we're still going to do it, and so so long as there's people being abused, we're we're here for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to expose and talk about it, and all you have to do is stop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we don expose and talk about it, and all you have to do is stop.
Speaker 1:Oh, we don't. We don't know how many things you have to do to know that we, you, whatever you're doing, it ain't working. You got to do something different.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Anyway guys yeah, it's all good guys, we will see you. I got to push buttons. See you tomorrow. Until next time. Thanks for watching. If you'd like to help support the channel, feel free to check out the merch store link in the description. We have Hail Xenu Xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads, shirts, mugs, all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, kindle and audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast and you can get that on Apple, spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts, and if you'd like to watch another video, you can click on this link right here, or you can click on this one here, or you can click on the subscribe button right here. Thanks a lot. Until next time.
