Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
How Scientology Plants Its Seeds in Local Politics - Scientology Secrets #5
Scientology infiltrates government by creating seemingly benign front groups and securing official proclamations that hide their connection to the controversial organization.
• Operation Snow White was Scientology's 1970s program to infiltrate government offices and remove damaging information about the organization
• 12 Scientology officials, including L. Ron Hubbard's wife, were imprisoned following FBI raids that uncovered their illegal activities
• After arrests, Scientology simply rebranded the Guardian's Office as the Office of Special Affairs without changing personnel or practices
• Modern Scientology uses front groups like The Way to Happiness, Narconon, and Dianetics to approach government officials without mentioning Scientology
• Brighton, Colorado mayor rescinded a Dianetics Day proclamation after learning it was connected to Scientology
• Scientology uses government proclamations both for external legitimacy and internal propaganda, showing them at events to convince members the organization is expanding
• Email campaigns to government officials deliberately avoid mentioning Scientology, focusing instead on mental health or community improvement
• Former Scientologists are developing resource kits for local officials to recognize and avoid unwitting endorsement of Scientology front groups
• Mother's Day is particularly difficult for former Scientologists whose families have disconnected from them under organization pressure
If you're facing disconnection or know someone trapped in Scientology, the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation has resources to help, including a dedicated law enforcement crisis line.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good Scientology Secrets. I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.
Speaker 2:Yay, hello everybody, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:Today is a special day because it's Mother's Day, yes. So happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out here in America. Somebody posted in the comments that Mother's Day is two months ago in some place I think it was England or something but it's Mother's Day today in America, so happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there. Mother's Day is a kind of tricky. It's kind of a tricky holiday in our family because Claire and I haven't spoken to our mothers since about 2005 ish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so very, it's very bittersweet. We were talking about this and so you know reaching out. We just wanted to give a shout out to anyone who's feeling the pain on this day. You know, bittersweet. Bitter because we haven't spoken to our mothers because of Scientology. Sweet because I wouldn't be a mother if I hadn't escaped Scientology. So yeah, it's hard and it's sad, but it's also amazing, like our youngest was so sweet this morning. He came in, gave me a hug, made me my coffee, just how I love it. I'm like, oh my gosh, how sweet can you get? I was like Grayson, you're the best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a good guy. When you guys enter anything in the chat, you get automatically entered in to win a giveaway that we're going to do at the end. We'll do two more.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We'll do two more of those special edition Mike Rinder books at the end of the stream today and if you just type in any comments it enters you in. But we do like to know where you're listening from. I know the YouTube analytics tells us a lot of that stuff, but we do like to know where you're listening from. I know the YouTube analytics tells us a lot of that stuff, but we like to see, and while we're waiting for people to get in here live, we usually wait till we have at least a hundred or so people in here before we kind of get into the meat and potatoes of the show. So let's go through. We'll just call out some of these people that are telling us where they're coming from betsy.
Speaker 2:Sue, just call me betsy. Greetings from fort bragg, north carolina. Thanks for joining us, betsy. Um anita, happy mother's day from the netherlands. Good to see you, sherry. Hello everyone from a hot and windy minnesota. Happy mother's day, manon. Hello from the netherlands. Happy mother's day. There we go. Yep, love food kitchen. Uh, a great thumbnail today. Gotta love a marcabian force. Marcabians are my homeboys. Yep, you know mark and his aliens.
Speaker 1:He just I, uh, I, when I was doing these, uh, scientology secret thumbnails for the video today, I did use X and I had Grok jam up some aliens and yeah, I'm just like, give me some aliens doing something and it does it and I'm like, great, that's our thumbnail. Yep, over at Scientology HQ they definitely do not like when we talk about the aliens, so that's mainly why we do it yeah, tracy howdy from Wyoming.
Speaker 2:Good to see you, tracy Trevenon. Good evening from the Netherlands, awesome Winnow. Greetings from Turin, italy. Happy Mother's Day, awesome, nice.
Speaker 1:We've got a lot of people in here from all over the place.
Speaker 2:Awesome.
Speaker 1:Oh, look've got a lot of people in here from all over the place Awesome.
Speaker 2:Oh look, Purple Groovy 69.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, in a minute. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:Hello everyone from St Louis City, Missouri. Happy Mother's Day to all of the mothers around the world.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, look at this, robert.
Speaker 2:Oh, Robert Love my Xenu is my homeboy shirt.
Speaker 1:Awesome Looks great Robert.
Speaker 2:Thanks for sharing that picture with us.
Speaker 1:We've got these new shirts in the Xenu, in the Xenu merch store, in the Blown for Good merch store. It's the Xenu and the Body Thetans. It's their World Tour 2025, world Tour T-shirt and it's got all the dates on the back here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me just read that because it's awesome. March 13th L Ron Hubbard's birthday, clearwater, florida. May 9th Dianetics Day, which we're going to talk about today, los Angeles, california. June 6th the Freewinds maiden voyage anniversary Aruba, southern Caribbean. October 11th IAS International Association of Scientologists in East Grinstead, england.
Speaker 1:And New Year's Day, hawaii, usa. Yeah, for all you people who know the entire Zinu lore, you'll get the Hawaii reference at the end there. Yes, Thank you, robert for picking one of those up.
Speaker 2:It took me a minute actually. I was like wait, hawaii, what? And then I was like oh, okay, that's right, some deep deep, deep undercover, deep undercover.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely yes, and for some reason I don't think the women's version has the dates on the back.
Speaker 2:I know I did a different version. I'll add them.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, On the merch store, the women's one has a BFG badge on the shoulder of the shirt but it doesn't have the concert dates and I was like you can't have the world tour shirt without the dates on the back.
Speaker 2:I think that's true, that's fair, it's a little sketch but it'll sketch I just saw that you ordered yourself a sample shirt and I was like wait what? And so I rushed in there and I I'm I forgot to cross-check my work to order a sample, which is why my sample arrived before yours.
Speaker 1:Yeah, joseph Brian Stanley says spoiler alert it's volcanoes.
Speaker 2:Yep, there you go.
Speaker 1:See, yeah, so I think we got enough people in here now. Okay, so first of all we talked about the Mother's Day thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I did want to just add one comment to that. Because there are so many people that we talk to who are under the radar, and the main reason that they are under the radar is because of scientology's leverage over them, of disconnection yeah, let me just say real quick.
Speaker 1:When she says under the radar, that is a reference. There might be people here. This is their first episode. They don't know what under the radar is. These are like we're not talking about fighter pilots folks.
Speaker 1:We're talking about Scientologists that are people that are in Scientology or their family is involved in Scientology and they choose not to be. They don't say anything, they don't do anything. They do know people that are ex-Scientologists that they talk to, and maybe there might be a few SPs sprinkled in there a little bit into the mix, but they don't want to cause any troubles because if they do, they're going to get disconnected from their family, their mother, their brother, their sister, their father.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which is a roll of the dice. Sometimes, when you're forced to disconnect from your family, that can be the final breaking breaking point that makes you wake up and realize what an abusive and destructive cult Scientology is. I thought, oh, they might try to make me disconnect from my mom and dad. In my mind I was like hell. No, I am never disconnecting from my family. So ironic that you know.
Speaker 1:They disconnected from you a few months later. Yes, Like see ya.
Speaker 2:But that might have been the breaking point, but it can. You know there's just a lot of variables. Scientology exerts so much coercive control over people that you know and I understand sometimes family members don't want to take that chance of losing that connection with their kids or their mom or you know whatever it is. And you know, and again so, to anyone who has lost your mom or your daughter or your son to disconnection, you have our deepest empathy. And this is a huge part of why we do what we do on this channel to expose Scientology's abusive practices, because nobody should have to suffer through losing a family member in that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, the other thing is that you have people that are in Scientology, and not only is it possible that they'll lose their families if they basically say anything bad about Scientology. That's sort of the tipping point. You can't say anything bad, and you certainly can't do that publicly, right, but if you do do that, you can also lose your job. If you work at a Scientology owned business or you might have a ton, your whole friend group might be mixed up with Scientology. So so it's not just always the family thing, but the family thing is definitely usually the largest factor is the family, then business, then friends, then you know whatever, then business, then friends, then you know whatever, excuse me, but so yeah, so the other thing we wanted to talk about today cause this is Scientology secrets. So we like to tell the secrets that Scientology has, that they're not really letting people out.
Speaker 1:Now, the government being the United States government being infiltrated by Scientology is not a secret. That's been happening for like decades. But the thing I wanted to tell you guys is I wanted to tell you kind of how they do it, and then that'll lead up to this story that happened with us this last week here in Colorado. So what Scientology does and they learned this really early on is they try to do things separate from Scientology that are good, and then they try to basically co what do you want to call it? They try to co-op that by saying that's us that we did that Right, but they don't say Scientology when they that's us that we did that Right, but they don't say Scientology when they say that.
Speaker 2:And they're not actually good. They're just you know it's one of those. Don't judge a book by its cover type things you know like at the cover, you go sure, yeah, it's a great idea to get people off drugs, or it's a great idea to rehabilitate criminals, or it's a great idea to help people live with a better moral code. You know, but just because it's called that doesn't mean it actually does that or that it's helpful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in the early days of Scientology it was called, it was just Dianetics. Hubbard wrote this book, dianetics, and came out in May 9th 1950.
Speaker 2:Yeah, which many people probably don't realize that in Scientology that's called book one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's the foundation of all of Scientology, is this book called Dianetics the modern science of mental health, and even that tagline that they use, dianetics, the modern science of mental health. It's not modern, it's not a science and it has nothing to do with good mental health.
Speaker 2:Yeah. On the contrary, it will hurt your mental health in reality.
Speaker 1:Just reading the book will probably make you go like what the hell, man? This is an insane book but regardless, hubbard found out early on that all the nonsense that he was up to there were records of that. He was arrested. There was a whole bunch of fraud that went on in the early days of Dianetics and wife swapping and wife stealing and kidnapping and all these things. If you want to read that, what's a good book.
Speaker 2:Bare Face. Messiah by Russell Miller.
Speaker 1:Bare Face Messiah by Russell Miller will tell you all of the actual history of L Ron Hubbard and the early days of Scientology. And Scientology whitewashes all that and they just say he wrote a book and then Scientology started and everything was always awesome. It wasn't that way at all, and what Hubbard learned is he learned that there were reports that existed all over the place and all the places that he went and was up to nonsense. And so then, when Scientology came out and Scientology started doing things, there was all this paper trail of nonsense that Hubbard had created and other people in the Dianetics Foundation had created, and so whenever they'd go somewhere new, he realized that they'd be bringing up stuff that had happened in other places and that the government was keeping like a file system on Scientology and they were sharing information with the different FBI offices and different government offices and local law enforcement, and so this happened.
Speaker 1:This was going on constantly throughout the fifties and the sixties, and then, when Hubbard created the C organization, as part of the C organization, there was a group that was created called the Guardian's Office, and the Guardian's Office was this new intelligence operation that basically existed within the Scientology Sea Organization. Purposes of this organization was to find out what the government knew about Scientology and what they were sharing with other governments about Scientology. So it wasn't just the. Hubbard was on the run from local government officials from many different countries for many years and that is actually why it was at sea. A lot of people don't even know that the whole reason he created the sea organization was so that they could get out in the international waters and get away from the FBI and whatever the British version of that is.
Speaker 2:There's Australian, south African which, by the way, good point. The reason it's called the Guardian's Office at least as it was explained to me when I was like six from that point forward, was they were the guardians of mainly L Ron Hubbard and Scientology, protecting them from governmental authorities and oversight.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So. So one of the things that they learned is, when you've got, when you're only up to nonsense, then the files only have nonsense, right? There's no good stuff in there about Scientology, it's all just. They did this and there.
Speaker 1:And also, if you look back, there are FBI files that exist on the Internet from the 60s and the 70s, these documents that they're trading back and forth. And what are people? What are they ending up in the news? And in these files for Disconnecting families, stealing people's money, fraud, abuse? It's been the same story from the very, very beginning. It's not like they were first doing this and then they rebranded and now they're doing this. No, it's all been the same stuff for 70 years 75 now. There you go Because.
Speaker 2:Dianetics was released May 9th 1950. 75 years of a destructive, abusive history of hurting people, infiltrating government, getting away with things, learning new ways to get away with things, constantly evolving to get away with things and to keep hurting people and to keep fraudulently ripping people off, destroying families and all of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So they realized there's only nonsense in the files. We got to put some good stuff in there and so they created all these front groups and if you know anything about Scientology, they have tons of groups that on paper there's a word Scientology doesn't. It's not in there anywhere, but it is Scientology. That's the way to happiness. Narconon, criminon, wise, the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises. They have Dianetics, just as Dianetics is its own thing that they promote just the book Dianetics, because it doesn't say Scientology, and they promote it as a mental health publication. That's been championed mental health rights for 75 years. And what they do is they put on parades and they get proclamations and they they get a town. They have people that are just sending out these emails to mayors all over the country or to council members or to whatever. Hey, we'd like to declare this the way to happiness day, or Dianetics day, or Narconon day, or drug free, or can we get a key to your city for L Ron Hubbard, things like that.
Speaker 1:Because he's the most published, most translated, most this, whatever author. And so the whole point of that was to generate goodwill for scientology and then have that be in the files instead of just the nonsense. And then the guardian's office if you look up, um, if you go on, I'll put a link in the in the description of the video. But if you look on, uh, the interwebs, and you search Operation Snow White, operation Snow White was a program that the Guardian's office, scientology's dirty tricks, dirty black bag operation they had within Scientology was to break into government offices and facilities, take the nonsense, bad things out of the Scientology files and put good stuff in there. So then when somebody said, give me a file on Scientology and then they'd pull it up and they'd be like, oh, these guys are amazing, they're wonderful people, why are we getting complaints about them?
Speaker 1:I guess that was the perceived end product of Hubbard's plan and it's funny that he had to break into all these different offices to swap the files. They don't know where these things went. There could have been another. It's just ridiculous. But either way, this operation was documented because in the 1970s, in 19, I want to say 1977, 79, in the late seventies, the FBI raided Scientology in Los Angeles and in Washington DC, and in two locations in Los Angeles they did the Manor, which is the now it's called the Celebrity Center, or the Manor Hotel or the Chateau Elysee. 59, 5931, huh Franklin. 59, frank.
Speaker 2:Whatever you say 50, 59. It's where we got married. I was just never. You know. There's certain addresses I remember 5930.
Speaker 1:Franklin Avenue. There you go, that's in California, in California and Los Angeles and Hollywood. And then there's another facility which is called, usually referred to, as the complex, which is commonly the image of it. It's a big, giant blue building that's in a wing formation and it has Scientology written across the top of it. That's that facility was also raided. And then they raided their I think they want to say they raided their facility in Washington DC that they had at the time. But this is a crazy part of the story which is not really that well documented, which is Scientology knew they were coming and they spent days shredding and getting rid of stuff and cutting Hubbard's name out of documents and for a long time they actually had a program that they were doing that with all of their files. They were going into them with razor blades and cutting Hubbard's name out of the documents. So it said they were redacting them with razor blades, not markers with razor blades.
Speaker 2:Yeah, vetting them, which is so ironic because thousands and thousands of contradictions in Scientology that we talk about all the time. But specifically shredding documents. Hubbard says you get assigned a condition of enemy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're not allowed, you're not allowed to do that.
Speaker 2:Oh, but wait unless the FBI is coming. And then quick shred them as quick as we can.
Speaker 1:Well, I think, and I think that cutting his name out was the kind of the lesser evil we're not destroying, we're not shredding anything because he said you can't destroy documents, yeah, so cutting his name out is not destroying them, it's just cutting his name out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Whatever you like to tell yourself, well, that's something In.
Speaker 1:Scientology. There's all this mental gymnastics that they have to do instead of just shredding the document.
Speaker 2:Like okay, the guardian's office, 12 people end up in prison. You know, there's all kinds of You're skipping ahead, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, holy moly, I'm sorry you just gave away the whole great ending of the story.
Speaker 2:You didn't give me the agenda for today.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 2:It says right here government you didn't share that with me before this.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So they have this operation where they're replacing all these files, they're breaking into all these government offices, they're stealing the information, they're putting false information into the files, not even good stuff, fake good stuff, just fake stuff that just has no basis in reality. That leads to a whole crazy series of events. And that's how they knew that the FBI was eventually going to come for them, because they knew they'd caught one of their guys and they knew he was a big enough fish that they were going to be able to kind of wiggle out of this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they knew that this was happening and they had already been redacting stuff, and I think what they did was they were just trying to purge all of the files that they could before whatever happened happened, and that is a crazy thought if you think about it. So the FBI raids all these locations, these different facilities in Los Angeles and in Washington DC. They get a ton, a treasure trove of documents that basically detail out their years-long operation to infiltrate the government, and then 12 of the officials of Scientology did go to prison, including Hubbard L Ron Hubbard's wife, mary Sue Hubbard, and then a whole other slew of Scientology executives that were the head of the Guardian's office, the top brass of the Guardian's office, who were in all the documents that they did get.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, and Kendrick Moxon was an unindicted co-conspirator. That's how much I don't know, looking at the fact that he's still such a key figure. Scientology knew what he was doing, he didn't get in any trouble. He's still a prominent figure in Scientology because they knew what he was doing. It's not like oh wait, what, kendrick Moxon? You were infiltrating the government. What in the world were you thinking? None of that. No, no, just business as usual. Still the key guy.
Speaker 1:Some of the craziest things that I think about in terms of that was when I went to a Scientology school in Los Angeles. When I got there, I think the school opened in 1984. So five years after this whole thing happened.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:In 1984, the headmaster of the school was a guy by the name of Henning Heldt. Right, henning Heldt is one of the guys that went to jail in the GO thing. He got busted and went to jail.
Speaker 2:He was the headmaster of a Scientology school Scientologists trust somebody who's been to prison to educate their children. What does that say about them? I know it was the same for Greenfields, which is the English version of, you know, Delphi.
Speaker 1:Hopkins right Right.
Speaker 2:Margaret Hodkin was the headmistress there and she had been in the Guardian's office. Yeah, and I think anyway, whatever, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of.
Speaker 2:Not to go off into another rabbit hole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's actually a lot of like kind of what is considered Scientology royalty these days that were in the Guardian's office. Like Craig Jensen, he was in the Guardian's office. Yeah, he had a huge computer company that ended up selling a program to Microsoft, d-frag and all these other things. But either way they get caught. These guys go to jail and then the guardian's office, instead of being called the guardian's office, they change the name and Scientology says we've disbanded the guardian's office. These guys were bad apples. This doesn't represent Scientology. It just happened to be the key executive structure of our organization that all were arrested and involved in all this, but that's not Scientology. That just happened to be the key executive structure of our organization, that all were arrested and involved in all this, but that's not Scientology.
Speaker 2:Oh, but wait, we don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we don't do that anymore. We're done with that. Okay, allegedly Well, besides Hubbard writing that you can't shred anything, the other thing is you can't do anything if he didn't say to do it. And if he did say to do it, you can't do it another way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like, but wait, I know the guardian's office got in trouble, so let's take the cover off and put a new cover on with a new name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so then the guardian's office became the office of special affairs, and it's just like um, it's just like rebranding they didn't change the personnel, they didn't change their offices, they didn't change their policies.
Speaker 2:They didn't change their practices. They changed the name, if you think about it, it's literally kindergarten logic in reality. Like okay, so you think that you know like you're stealing widgets from Bob. So you go oops, I got in trouble for stealing widgets from Bob, so now I'm just going to keep stealing widgets from Bob, but I'm just going to call it something else. Yeah, I'm borrowing widgets from Bob.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So, but the Office of Special Affairs, they've been doing the same thing, except instead of they're not breaking into offices. They know that didn't work out, so we can't do that anymore. So what we've got to do is we've got to create an overwhelming amount of these false front group nonsense, fluffy fluff thing, and that'll get in there. Front group nonsense, fluffy fluff thing, and that'll get in there. And then not only will we put that in the files, but we'll promote to everybody.
Speaker 1:No, no, look, we got a proclamation, we got a key to the city, we got a street named after Elrond Huttard, we got all these things that we did, so we're legit now and this program has never, ever stopped. So they're doing it to cities, towns, states, countries, whoever they can get in good with. There's always the possibility that if you get hooked up with a really charismatic politician, that politician's going to rise to the top and he's going to become something that will be useful to them.
Speaker 2:It's strategy from Hubbard to get in with opinion leaders, people of public influence, to specifically falsely present a facade that they are acceptable. Or you know, I mean I experienced it with when I was young, like, oh, Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, John Travolta is a Scientologist, and you go. Well, you know, then maybe it's just me that thinks these people are all nutty go.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, then maybe it's just me that thinks these people are all nutty. Yeah, so they call that in Scientology. She said opinion leaders, but they call them OLs in Scientology. You got to get, you have to promote and connect up with OLs in your environment, opinion leaders. And if you can connect up with them and you can have them at your event, or they're going to speak, or they're going to speak, or they're going to do a little thing like thanks for this, thanks to the scientologists for sweeping the streets and giving us water bottles and weird massages during the hurricanes. Um, if you can get that in a lot of different places, then they they call it safe point.
Speaker 1:So when somebody comes to attack you, you have this person. Just be like well, no, we're friends with Billy Bob over here and he, he's beloved by the entire city. So what do you what? What are you talking? Smack about us for? So that it's it's multi-pronged, it's it's strategic in the case that if the person becomes successful or becomes a bigger, better politician and it has a wider reach or wider influence, but also so that they've got something to show Scientologists, but then also non-Scientologists when they catch some flack case of Dianetics, they have these events. The way Scientology keeps their flock sort of under control is they have these events throughout the year. They have one on March, 13th May, 9th June, 6th September, auditor's Day.
Speaker 1:And then they have the IAS event, the International Association of Scientologists anniversary event, and they have that in England. And then they have a New Year's event and at each different one of those events they have sort of a motif or a theme that coincides with the date. So for May 9th they have a May 9th event and then it's the anniversary of Dianetics and what they do is they they talk about at that event David Miscavige gets up on stage and he talks about the way that Dianetics is still booming after 75 years. It's on all the number one bestseller lists and they're doing this and they're doing that and he goes through the entire world of all the amazing Dianetics stories from that year.
Speaker 1:And one of the things they do is they try to get what's called a Dianetics day and they get a proclamation and they just send an email to the city. They just send an email to the city Usually it's the PR person or whoever the person handles that kind of stuff media, social media or public relations office for the city and they say, hey, we'd like to designate we say we represent Dianetics, the book by L Ron Hubbard, modern Science and Mental Health. It's celebrating its 75th year of publication. It's been translated into 50 gazillion languages and it sold 40 quadrillion copies and we'd like and it made 10 million bestseller lists.
Speaker 1:Yes and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, their word salad so then they say we'd like you to set aside a day for us and in your city to be Dianetics Day. And they've got 50 or 60 of these things in some exhibition for L Ron Hubbard on Hollywood Boulevard and they're printed out and it's like proclamation, whereas the modern bit, all this other stuff, okay. So they have all those things and at the event they will usually include that in some sort of video montage or as part of a funny anecdote that David Miscavige will tell the story about. And they'll say, like, well, the city of Keokuk was experiencing horrible crime and all this upheaval, and then Dianetics, uh, keokuk was experiencing horrible crime and all this, all this uh up and upheaval, and dah, dah, dah, dah. And then Dianetics was introduced and like oil across the ocean, the seas calmed and and and. Then they say and eventually we, we, they called May 9th Dianetics day in Keokuk because of this and um, and so they're showing this to Scientologists at the event.
Speaker 1:These people, their local organization, is in a strip mall next to the dog grooming place and there's like four people in there.
Speaker 1:Maybe in a week there's nothing going on. So then they hear oh, over in Keokuk, they're like they're slaying it and they're doing all this other stuff and dying next day over there. Yeah, um, and we can't get four people in to buy books or, you know, do our funky massages, whatever. So they use that to prove to scientologists that scientology is expanding and all these things are happening, and so so it gives this appearance within Scientology, and we hear this from people that are talking to us today, scientologists that are under the radar, or they left but they didn't tell anybody or whatever, and they're like, yeah, from going to the events, I thought everything was amazing and it was just my town that was, you know, in the stick. And so then when you get and that's the reason why they don't like the SPs talking to each other and talking to people because they go oh, wait a minute, it wasn't just my org, that was always empty and there was nobody ever there.
Speaker 2:Yep as the saying goes, loose lips sink ships there.
Speaker 1:Yep as the saying goes loose lips, sink ships, yeah, so so that I mean, that's basically leads us up to the story that happened with us. So why don't you tell it? Because you were really. Claire did all this. I was doing, I was working this, I I showed up to the meeting, but other than that, claire did this whole thing. So I'll let her tell you basically just the timeline over the past week really.
Speaker 2:Sure yeah.
Speaker 1:So Tony Ortega posted on his website at the Underground Bunker I have to interrupt you because we did hear from a good friend of ours, but he posted before that.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm doing the timeline.
Speaker 1:I will include that.
Speaker 2:Yes, as you know, mark and I have day jobs which have been keeping us incredibly busy. So Tony had posted on his site I had not seen it that the city of Brighton here in Colorado had signed a proclamation to make May 9th Dianetics Day. We heard about this because a close friend of ours, who is very well connected in Colorado, sent me a text and gave me a heads up like hey, did you hear about this? Can you believe this? She was like this is insanity and the moment she sent me the text I was like I'm on it, so I so. This was Tuesday night that I heard about this. I sent an email to the mayor of Brighton just giving a short summary of who I am, my background you know a number of us former Scientologists are residents of Colorado and that we would immediately like to request a personal meeting with him to educate him on the dangers of Scientology so as to not expose the citizens of Brighton unsuspecting citizens of Brighton to a cult. So I sent this email I want to say 8.40 pm. The mayor responded within three hours and said absolutely, yes, I would love to meet, and here's when I can meet.
Speaker 2:By the next morning we heard that the proclamation had been rescinded or was on the agenda. There's some logistics that are involved with rescinding a proclamation, so it's not just an instant thing. It had already. They get signed days before. So anyway, that's part of the timeline to be aware of. And then the mayor said oh, you know what, I'm going to be close to you tomorrow, may 8th. And so I was like great, yes, absolutely, we'll meet with you. So we set up the meeting, which was attended by myself, mark Bruce Hines and Chris Shelton.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for those who don't know, bruce Hines is the executive director of the Aftermath Foundation, michael J Rinder, aftermath Foundation, that's right, and Chris also helps us with a number of things too, and Chris, of course does has his own YouTube channel and has a lot to expose.
Speaker 1:We'll put a link in the description to Chris Shelton's channel. He also, chris, does a lot of, if anybody is, if anybody wants to know what's happening in Scientology besides watching our channel, you can follow.
Speaker 2:Tony Ortega and.
Speaker 1:Chris Shelton, and I think they do a video every week as well where they kind of recap things. So we'll put links to that. But Tony Ortega has been covering Scientology for decades and he has people he also has a lot of Scientologists and under the radar Scientologists that speak to him and give him all sorts of events and documentation. They have the audio from between him and Mark bunker. They put the audio up of the the May 9th event that happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Somebody leaked the audio, which is awesome which is crazy that they're doing that like days after the event. Used to take us like four years to get our hands on this thing. Now it takes four hours.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 2:So he's doing great work. So yeah. So we went and met with the mayor and he was so receptive. He said, you know, he just started out like you know, I'll be honest, I made a big mistake. I got this email back in March. I read it, I just saw he, you know, stuck to the key words like mental health, oh okay yeah, he literally said.
Speaker 1:It said mental health. I was like yeah, that check sounds great. And he said he said nowhere in the email did it mention the word scientology, which is true and he also said if, if it had said scientology, I wouldn't have given the email, that I wouldn't even have read the rest of the email.
Speaker 2:Yes, correct, and so this is how.
Speaker 1:And so that also proves that's why they don't put Scientology in any of this. They always Narconon, criminon, way to Happiness, dianetics. They don't want to say Scientology, because then they go. Isn't that that thing that Tom Cruise is doing with the aliens? You know, everybody knows something. They don't know a lot, but everybody knows a little something. Mostly it's Tom Cruise, or there's some kind of craziness, or Tom Cruise craziness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And we always talk about the all the great work that has been done to expose the abuses of Scientology. I think from I mean you and I had done multiple documentaries leading up to, uh, leah Remini, scientology in the aftermath and the impact of that, that, those three seasons, the work that Leah and Mike did was exponentially broader than anything else we had ever been involved in um it. Even even in our small town of casrock we had people coming up to us going oh my gosh, I, I just watched this show, I had no idea that you were a part of scientology, and oh my god, and crying and we did.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, we never said about we were. We lived in the where we live. We lived here for years and nobody knew any of that nonsense. And then when they saw the show, they're like oh, I know those people. But I wanted to say also, shout out to the guy that works at King Soopers that always says hi to me. It's a grocery store here. He works in produce. We're good buddies now. Basically we check in with each other whenever I go shopping.
Speaker 2:Is that the case?
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, good to know, but what I was going to say was he, he. We didn't know exactly how this was going to go when we got there.
Speaker 2:Oh, with the mayor, yes, yeah, yeah. No, we didn't know at all, but we had. So Chris Shelton put together a whole fact sheet of what the Dianetics book is and some of the very damning material that's in there. That's very contrary to anything supporting mental health. We also had all kinds of material about the work that Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation does, not only to help people get out and start new lives but also to educate law enforcement and governmental agencies on the dangers of this organization. We had copies of Mark's book anyway, whole packet of information which he was like awesome, great, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but, but. But. So we didn't know exactly. We had all this stuff, we didn't know how it was going to go. We didn't know if he was going to be like listen, you know, I don't want to get involved with you guys either. I don't want to be on either. You know, we don't know what he's going to say.
Speaker 2:And he was like listen, they tricked me. Yep.
Speaker 1:Really, that's what happened. I got tricked. I didn't know Scientology, I thought it was mental health. They tricked me. I signed it as soon as I found it was nonsense. We basically said, okay, we're not reading this proclamation, we're taking it off. They actually took all the proclamations off the agenda. They're just like we don't want to have anything to do with any of this stuff. Yeah, Anyway, but.
Speaker 2:But it was interesting that he also told us, though, that, again, there's a very specific process that they have to go through, and because the proclamation had already been signed, even though they plan to rescind it, somebody from scientology showed up and did a you know grab and dash, or grab and go this.
Speaker 1:Well, this is the most interesting point to me. The only requirement to get a proclamation is you have to go there and pick it up. Yep, that's it, that that is literally the only we could send a thing saying we want it to be a happy Headley Day on May 21st. And yeah, here's our happy Headley Foundation and here's this and here's some Xeno t-shirts in case you want to do that. And yeah.
Speaker 1:But the only requirement is you can't just click clickety, click, click and get one. No, you got somebody's got to come there and pick it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you physically have to show up and you don't even have to stay for the entire meeting.
Speaker 1:That's what they said. He said we go through and we read them all, but if you just come and pick it up, you could get there. If the meeting is at 10 and you get there at 830 and you go, hey, I'm here from Happy Headly. They go oh, it's right there, you go. See, I wouldn't want to be, I'm out, I don't even care if you read it, I'm out, I'm leaving, I got my, I got my, I got Happy Headly Anyway. But so when he said that, and then he said and even all of this happened and they still came, picked it up and skedaddled right out of there.
Speaker 2:Even though it was already on the agenda to rescind said proclamation it didn't matter to them because they wanted to announce it at the May 9th Dianetics event.
Speaker 1:I haven't listened to this audio of the event, but if anybody has listened to it, it's out there. Comment if they said anything about the city of Brighton making it Dianetics day in their event because this thing happened on such a fast track, they could have had it in the thing weeks ago. That they got this, that's right. It could be in the speech. Yep, it could be in there, and they don't want to tell David Miscavige that this all went down sideways.
Speaker 1:And so there's a what's the lesser evil. We do have a proclamation. It is printed off it it? No, there's nothing on it that says it's not legit.
Speaker 2:It hasn't been rescinded yet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when we gave it to you, sir, it was valid, it was good, anyway, good anyway. So what's the lesser evil? Getting heat for it this week when he does find out, or getting heat at the event when they're like in the middle of doing the event, because we mike render and I did a ton of videos about the events and you can look at those if you look back and on my channel or mike's channel mike renders channel but when you're in that pressure cooker of putting on that event, nothing can go wrong. If anything, david Miscavige is at. He is at like I don't even know what you call it Pinch a 5,000. He's like he's ready to go Borneo at any moment.
Speaker 1:So you don't want to be the person that tells him that you got to take that bright thing out, sir. What do you mean? There's a whole shit storm going down from happy Headley's over there and jacking our shit up right now. But so either way, I don't know, let us know in the comments. Bleepity, bloop it in there, if, if, they left it in. But he was very cool.
Speaker 1:He was very like yeah, and also he's like I don't know if you guys know, but but most mayors of these towns and cities here, they're part. This is a part time thing. I'm. I have a, you know my, our neighbor, our neighbor has a coffee shop. I have a. You know my, our neighbor, our neighbor has a coffee shop. He does another job. He does this as his his. I liked.
Speaker 2:I want to support and I want to give back to the community and support the community. And you know it's a, it's an anyway.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's, he's not this comment, just there's a little thing, that just big.
Speaker 2:Becky, let Davey lie on stage for the millionth time.
Speaker 1:Exactly 100%. That's the other thing that goes along with that. Do we get in trouble now? Dave has said a lot of nonsense that has no basis in reality at many events. Yeah, so just throwing a city proclamation on the pile is not like come on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean they've had millions of members.
Speaker 2:Whatever it's like, you know we're there, it's all word salad anyway. So you know like, rather than saying you know our, our, we, our, our completions went from one to three this week. It's going to be like our stats went to the moon and back.
Speaker 1:No, no, they say three X, right, we three X our delivery. You're like, so instead of one person completing a two minute course, you had three people commit uh, complete a one minute course.
Speaker 2:Right, amazing Yep.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So that's pretty much I mean but it was.
Speaker 2:It was really. It was a great meeting. It was time very well spent and we told the mayor of Brighton we're like you know any anyone that that anything we can do to better educate government officials and police departments and, you know, agencies, whatever you know, it's education goes a really really long way.
Speaker 1:Totally yeah. And the other thing is, we're looking at even because, again, we do this in our spare time as well. It's not our full-time thing to go meet with mayors.
Speaker 2:No, it's our volunteer work to help educate the world about the abuses of Scientology. What day?
Speaker 1:was. That Was it Wednesday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was Wednesday, it was.
Speaker 1:Wednesday. We had lunch on Wednesday and then we met the mayor after lunch. Yep, that's literally what happened, yep, and there was a lot, like I said, there was a lot of back and forth with Claire and other folks about this whole thing, but the thing that we took away from it was it's actually very simple to actually meet with these people and talk to them, and we want where we're thinking. You guys can put it in the comments below or you can go to the aftermath website and and let us know over there is there. There's a way to send in things on the aftermath. We were thinking there's two things I've been thinking about and you guys can confirm it in the comments. That way we know which one we should do.
Speaker 1:But we're thinking about making like a little kit that we can send to mayors or we can send to police departments, or that it's just like a little resource, like a local government resource kit, and it has, if somebody comes in from because this is another thing People show up at police stations and there's nonsense happening, no-transcript give to that person and say, hey, I'm not saying what I'm saying, but if there's something going on, here's something that may or may not be some use to you and then they go and the person I mean depends on the person, depends on the situation, but they that might actually end up helping them. They don't have one of that. They don't have one of those for Scientology and in the places where Scientology has large organizations there are, there's nonsense that's going on because we've spoken to the law enforcement in those areas and a lot of those guys we have given stuff to.
Speaker 2:And in fact it was at law enforcement's request that we set up a dedicated law enforcement crisis line, they told us. We've heard from multiple agencies several different examples of situations that were absolutely awful, in which their hands were tied. There was not a whole lot they could do because there was a Scientology handler present.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, they knew this person was either a victim of human trafficking or high control group or whatever, however you want to call it.
Speaker 2:And they had been alerted because, as in situations involving domestic violence, for example, the injuries involved did not match the person's description of what happened. And again that there's multiple different examples of this that we've heard from law enforcement in even different states. But so that's the reason we have it now a dedicated law enforcement crisis line that's run by the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation to educate law enforcement and give thema resource to better be able to help these people.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we want to see if there's a way because it's not free to make these kits. You got to put. It takes some work. You got to print stuff up. But if we were going to do it, we were thinking we could make them in a way that we could just send a kit. It's just like a folder or a package that just has everything in it and then they just put it in the Scientology file and then when somebody shows up, everybody's briefed this looks like it might be the. This might be from old Gilman hot Springs. We got to, we got to get open up the Scientology file. Anyway, we're thinking of doing that. The other thing we were thinking of doing again, let us know in the comments, the only way we know, if people think we should do this and if there's an interest in supporting it. That's really the reason. I'm saying not that, it's not that, it's not just a great idea all around.
Speaker 2:Most helpful as a package of information, a packet of information that is easily consumable, that provides resources, gives you ideas of what to look for. Anyway, that's, that's the idea.
Speaker 1:I think it's a really good idea and also that that we can say in there, uh, many, at many times and in many instances, they'll have a handler with them that won't let them be alone with you, because they know if they are, the person will tell you what's really going on, Right, so they keep the handler there to be like you better not say nothing. Yeah, the other thing we were thinking about doing is adopting like adopt a billboard. So we're doing these. We did these billboards in Los Angeles, yep, also in London, again, not free. We, we, we, we rely on donations and support from people, um, in order to fund those. But if you could have like an adopt a billboard thing where, uh, currently, if you wanted to adopt a certain billboard or if you just wanted to uh adopt a location, then we would have like a. I don't know how you, if you, I don't want, I don't to, I want to get away from like donation levels, like we don't want to have patron meritorious billboardists, no, but but you know they're like the.
Speaker 2:I think it's a good idea to around ideal orgs, especially to figure out how to, you know, have these billboards there.
Speaker 1:Obviously, los Angeles, clearwater and the the ideal org locations, because, yeah, Same thing with the information packs we want to concentrate on the organizations that they're actively trying to get people into or or sucker people into from the college campus or the new ideal org, this in this place or that place. And because there's a lot of people that listen to the show on the podcast or on YouTube. They have connections to people and they'll be like yeah, I know the mayor or I know the. When I was in Mississippi doing some work, I got introduced to the mayor of the town I was working in. So there's a lot of people that know these people and if they're watching, they could say, yeah, yeah, not only would I think it's a good idea, but I'd like to give you whatever it is so we can get a kit for my town. So then I can give it to the guy, you can mail it or I can, just we can give it to him.
Speaker 2:So bleepity, bloop it, let us know We'll do a new, another update on the billboards. There's been so much progress, but we try to keep that as its own thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We also. We don't want to spill the beans because there's a lot of nonsense going on.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, we're in the war of the billboards, second world war of the billboards right now, deep in the throes. It's like it's gone, I guess I want to say it's. It's basically message to the people that need to hear the message, regardless of how we do that. So anyway, but yeah, there's been a lot going on behind the scenes that we're not going to talk about right now. We'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, excitement.
Speaker 2:Yes, hi Osa, we know that you've been seeing our billboards and yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we should get to some. We'll do some giveaways and get to some comments. We'll put we'll try to remember all the things that we talked about and put links in the description. So the OSA stuff and the guardian's office and the largest infiltration in the United States government and its history we'll put all that in the comments. And then if we do stories or if we talked about any other things, or Ortega or Chris Shelton, we'll try to put all that in the description of the video. But let's do giveaway things. Let's see if I push this button. Look at that.
Speaker 2:Yes, and again, we're giving away two copies of the personalized edition of Mike's book that was given to anyone who attended Mike's Celebration of Life service. It has a message in the front from Christy and her boys. Yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:And then probably next week or the week after or whatever, we'll get back to just doing BFG stuff. And if you want just BFG stuff, if you already got, if you already won a book or you already have a copy of the book and you don't care about the thing in the front, it's not that big of a deal Then you can get BFG March, right, yep.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. I, Claire, loves to give away. I mean Just let you know.
Speaker 1:She loves a giveaway. She loves a giveaway. Oh, here we go. I told you Dr X. Oh my gosh, dr X.
Speaker 2:Happy Mother's Day to all, sending love to those that are affected by disconnection. Glad to see there are people who care for their community and can't be bought. Great idea on the info kits and billboards. Great work, keep it up. Thank you so much for your support. Yes, anyway.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Dr.
Speaker 2:Yes, we appreciate you, and yes to anyone who's tuning in that has been impacted by the destructive and evil practice of disconnection. You have our love and support and, as I said at the beginning, that's what in the top five. To me, most destructive and evil things that Scientology does is destroy families, and so, yeah, we're dead set on stopping it. So, one way or another, all right. So we'll do a giveaway and then we'll do some comments, and then do a final giveaway and let everyone get back to their Mother's Day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, here we go. It started, I can start Now. I'm recognizing the names, even if they go fast. I see Robert and Shannon, both.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Every week now.
Speaker 2:Nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Jake Floyd.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, jake. Send me an email, claire, at blownforgoodcom, with a link to what you would like from either the oh wait, sorry, wrong track. Send me your address and I will get you a copy of Mike's book. Just send Claire an email I have my whole script running in my head. I'm like oops, wrong one, sorry about that.
Speaker 1:Oh, mark Fisher's in here somewhere too. Oh, awesome, okay, so we'll do some comments now and you can switch back to both of us. Oh, look at her. Yeah, prompting me. I get all excited about the comments and I don't pay attention to the video.
Speaker 2:I'm fine with you putting it on me some of the time, but not like all the time. All right, jamie Perkins. Happy Mother's Day from Southern Utah. Many people have complex feelings about Mother's Day. It's a hard day for many of us, absolutely bittersweet, for many, many different reasons, you know. And so, again, anyone who has, who has trouble on this day, or is on the struggle bus, as I like to call it, we support you, you can do this, we can all do hard things, and don't ever forget that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, glenda Stevenson. Happy Mother's Day, claire Bearer. Thank you, glenda, we appreciate it. Nashay, june 6th is my birthday. I'll be celebrating my 41st this year, Wow. Well, happy birthday, becky. Big brother fan Shout out and greetings to any under the radar people in the chat. Peace and love, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's. The other thing I did want to say is that we're trying to help these people, so we're just trying. A lot of the times, if you just give the people that are under the radar or that basically they can't leave Scientology or they don't, most of those people once they get information, then they can figure out a solution if they get the right information. And a lot of times the argument is I'm not doing anything, so I'm not really supporting it. They don't know that I left and sometimes it's not the best idea for them to speak out publicly, so there are other ways they can do things that can be helpful to them and the abuses without going on the interwebs and talking about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly For sure, glenda. Even after all these years of following the aftermath, I'm still stunned by the family separation of Scientology. It's just so cool, I know it really is. Yep, laura, hey, hey, glad to catch this today, laura good to see you and, by the way, I wanted to give a shout out to Laura and Dan. Thank you so much for all the pictures of the billboards that you sent oh yeah, that was amazing stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, when we'll do that?
Speaker 2:when we do the update, next update, we will show a bunch of different pictures and stuff yeah, and I think they even did a walking tour of the billboard so we can link to that anyway. Thank you, Laura, we appreciate it. We love you. I'm sorry this is. I know this is a hard day for you Well that's right Cause, Laura, I don't know.
Speaker 1:We'll keep. We'll put a link to her channel.
Speaker 2:Yes, there you go, we'll do that.
Speaker 1:Laura. Um, we, when she was a little, I mean she was tiny, like yeah, I mean I'm talking single digits she was like a little kid when we worked at the headquarters and they had a place where it was called the ranch and they kept all of the kids of Sea Org members that were born before the rule of no kids.
Speaker 2:They kept a she was in the cadet organization, just like I was, which, as I've said many times, the cadet organization is think of orphanage meets Lord of the Flies, meets Nazi youth and voila, you got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, it is so her mother and father both worked at the international headquarters with us, and then her father and her brother was there as well.
Speaker 2:Yep us, and then her father and her brother was there as well, yep, and her mother is still there to this day, as far as I know. Yeah, there's a comment I marked from her that talks about how her mom, diane, still works on the events. There you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so her mom's still there, her dad is in. I think he's in Los angeles now. They split up after like 40 years of marriage or something like that, and then, because the mom wasn't allowed to leave the headquarters and the dad got in trouble, so he went into la, so they were basically never going to see each other again anyway right, which was almost what happened to us yeah, that's a normal thing in the seer.
Speaker 2:That's a tuesday a day in the life of a seer member. But yet scientology can work wonders for your relationship. They have the technology to save any marriage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and her brother also got out. So her and her brother are both out of the sea organization and I don't think either one of them is involved with anything scientology related. But then the mother and father are still in the Sea Org and it's like the craziest thing in the world and they grew up without their parents inside the Sea Org. So then to not have them when they leave and they're out in the real world now, they don't have that support structure and this is kind of the everyday story of this when I became a mom.
Speaker 2:This is the thing. Stories like Laura's, like mine, make me so angry as a mother, like thinking about my kids and what I was doing at that age, or what Laura was doing at that age, or anyone that grew up in the cadet organization especially. It's just a unique hellhole that no child should ever experience and it just it literally gets my blood boiling every time I think about it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yeah, oh, here's one from Spanglish.
Speaker 2:Okay, sp Spanglish. And as Miguel and Tony are reporting, they are still infiltrating governments Mexico, to this very day Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So this is, this is another key thing A lot of people don't know is whatever works in the U S, they just export that to other countries. So they do like what's called a pilot pilot program and they'll do letters or they'll do emails, or they'll do media kits or, and whatever one hits, go, good, we'll do that everywhere. Oh, do the exact same thing. You take this. Oh and this is a lot of osa does this is osa will know who the key movers and shakers are in that area, and then they'll be like, okay, good, we're going to do the same thing in mexico when we go to open this new organization. They try to do all this.
Speaker 1:This scientology seo members sign billion-year contracts. So if it takes 10 years to do something, this Scientology SEAC members sign billion-year contracts. So if it takes 10 years to do something, it's like whoop-dee-doo, they don't care, they're lifers, they're going to do it. And when that person bails and gets out of there, it's going to bring another guy over and say, here, this is what he was doing for the last three years, keep doing this. And then they just keep it going. So there's not really any. There's no, there's no obstacles that are not going to wear down in the in when they're doing this. They both, basically, are just like we'll just keep sending these things forever. If we need a hundred, there's 5 000 cities we can send it to. We're gonna get a hundred out of 5 000, yeah, or now maybe they're getting 10 out of every 5,000, but whatever, they're still doing it.
Speaker 2:They have no lack of manpower.
Speaker 1:Oh, here's a Laura.
Speaker 2:There's a comment from Laura, my mother is still at gold base doing all the video editing set up for the slideshow screens from Miscavige's speeches. Every event every two or three months. It's insane. It's insane, mom, get her out. Yes, exactly, diane, get out, your daughter needs you.
Speaker 1:It's so crazy. I can't believe Diane is still there.
Speaker 2:It's awful.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, this is just now. People saying where's a good place to go.
Speaker 2:The box sub stack is incredible, if anyone wants to read it. Yes, and, by the way, I have a special surprise coming up. Oh great, I'm not going to say, but it's coming up. Oh, here's another one.
Speaker 1:Everyone's just jumping on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2:Laura would definitely recommend the Expert Witness by Jesse Prince. Yes, absolutely Great book.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a lot of that's. Another great thing is there's a lot of people that are telling their stories now, so they're writing books, they're telling their stories. Yep, tom devocht um, he was at the base, for he was there way before us.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then he went to clear water in the early 80s yeah, then he went to clear water and then was there when clear water got built up and then he came back to the property because he was so successful with david the scavenging clear water that dave brought him to the base to be one of his lieutenants at the base. And then that's the short. That's the short ride to to get. Now is when you start working with Dave. You're either going to submit or you're going to quit. Yeah, Nobody wants to be at the the base. That's like a country, that's like a cross country ticket on the struggle bus, if you know what I mean. It's not going to be good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that because at least when we were there, we lived in the town. Yeah, but then after that they, they built the birthing buildings on the property. So for all intents and purposes it's like super max, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, anyway, oh, socky McSockface Most people now.
Speaker 1:It will be South Park, south Park, yeah, so South Park is another reason I think he was saying how are people getting their Scientology nonsense flowing? Oh, I see we're hearing it from the new generation, Definitely. I don't know about bare faced Messiah. I watched. I didn't read a book. I watched an episode of South Park. Right, I got fully educated in about 30 minutes.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, shannon Graves love this idea. I have connections to the mayor's office in Orlando, as well as the sheriff's and police department. If this is an area of interest, yes, exactly. That's what I'm saying, so we can put this together and send it out to our almost 2,000 volunteers and say hey, if you anyway awesome. We can get a lot of amazing work going that will prevent these useless emails from Scientology ever hitting a mark again. There you go. Tom DeVock said recently, recently David Miscavige may close. Ant.
Speaker 1:Base, I wouldn't he's been saying that for years yeah, I wouldn't doubt it that for years the thing with the Ant Base is it serves no purpose. Now, it's other than Supermax well, yeah, but the ones, those they could move those people out of the country. They could do most of those people out of the country. They could do.
Speaker 1:Most of those people are Asian out too, I mean we were we were young kids when we were there and now you know we're in our fifties, the people that were there, that were adults when we got there. I mean we have, and we know this, there's a whatever's happening there. We do have a little bit of a here and there info, because there's there's nonsense, there's always nonsense, and because there's nonsense, there's always nonsense. And whenever there's nonsense it gets to us, we hear about it, which we appreciate everybody who sends us information on current happenings and so forth.
Speaker 1:Anyway, there's definitely some people that are aging out over there.
Speaker 2:Eldorado. I attempted to send you guys an email via your site and your captcha seems broken. I will check into that. My email is Claire at Balloon for Good dot com, so if you'd like to send me an email, and meanwhile, thanks for the heads up, we'll check into that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ok, we got one last super chat.
Speaker 2:OK, kim White, happy Mother's Day, claire. And we got one last super chat. Okay, kim White, happy mother's day, claire, and to all the mothers in the chat. Thank you, kim, appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Awesome yes.
Speaker 2:Happy mother's day to all the moms joining us very much.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to do another giveaway another giveaway. And then that's, we went a little over today, sorry again.
Speaker 2:Oh, I saw Casey, I know we're seeing um, it's Cassie.
Speaker 1:It's Cassie going back and forth.
Speaker 2:Katie, congratulations. Send me an email, Claire, at blown for goodcom with your address and I will get you the special edition of Mike's book. Thank, you for tuning in. Thank you for everybody tuning in, taking some time on this beautiful mother's day Sunday. Yeah, we appreciate you all. So there you have it.
Speaker 1:We'll do some with this special shout out for moms of fur babies.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely. I know I was thinking about that and oh yeah, anyway, I'm not going to dive down that rabbit hole. Just changed my mind.
Speaker 1:Oh Capshka scams. Watch-oh Kapschka scams. Watch out for the Kapschka scams.
Speaker 2:Oh really. Oh my witness. I just saw something about it on a scammer payback channel. Okay, I'll check into that Holy moly. There are so many things these days.
Speaker 1:I know you can't you know what?
Speaker 2:Don't click on anything. Don't look at your phone, don't say anything out loud, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:It says on the thing don't click on the email on the toll roads. It was like look out for the toll scam. I was like holy moly, now we've got the toll scheme. Anyway, thank you for joining guys. We will try to put all the linkage in the descriptage. We appreciate everybody joining us. We're trying to figure out the summer. We're going to be doing so much traveling and so much moving around and there's a lot of projects happening, so we'll try to keep we do at least an episode every week on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our schedule might go a little out of whack on these lives coming up, so definitely hit that notification bell so that you get notified. We will absolutely do our best, but yeah, and.
Speaker 1:Claire does have. I mean, the one thing that's really happened is, within the last month or two, there's a lot of people connecting, so Claire's got, I want to say, like at least five or six great interviews kind of coming up, and there's so many things being worked on right now. It's insane.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:So there's lots of the Scientology. Stuff's not dying out anytime soon. The other thing that I wanted to say before we go is Missionary Impossible is coming out Another Tom Cruise movie and whenever Tom Cruise has a movie come out, we just start getting. Our channel just gets just obliterated.
Speaker 2:Right so just. In a good way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just because we're talking about another video, and I don't even know why this is, but there's a video that we have up on the channel. It was a recording of David Miscavige and tom cruise backstage at his birthday party on the freewinds cruise ship from a long time ago, from 2004 yes 2003 or 2004 and it's just a 30 second clip it's. It's got like 25 000 views in the last two or three weeks and I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming it's because of the mission impossible stuff yeah but um, yeah, if you see a tom cruise thing or an article or something, yeah, tag us in it, or, or, or put a link to something we'll do mission impossible stop disconnection mission impossible, tom cruise, finding a girlfriend.
Speaker 1:Um, anyway, whatever mission impossible stop elder abuse in scientology yeah, um, but the other thing is that and I and I always say this and it always happens is right before tom cruise or drawn to vault, a movie comes out, there's all these rumors and the tabloids that they're leaving scientology it's, and those are spiked by the movie company and all the people that are in have investments in the movie. Because people don't want to watch a movie if they think the money's going to Scientology, but if they think Tom Cruise, they want to see the movie. But they now they're conflicted because Tom Cruise is in it, right, and there's a lot of people that do. I really liked it. I'm like go watch it, I don't care if you watch the movie.
Speaker 2:Go watch the movie, but I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1:I know Claire's on the band bandwagon.
Speaker 2:No, and, by the way, Trevon says.
Speaker 1:I sure hope.
Speaker 2:stopping disconnection isn't a mission impossible. No, absolutely it's a mission and we've chosen to accept it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, but the thing I was going to say is so going to say is so they have all these articles come out in the tablets. This used to be like clockwork, oh my gosh, and we would have like all kinds of reporters calling us. Is this true? We're like, of course it's not true.
Speaker 2:Tom cruz is not leaving scientology yeah, um, but other high profile people, though I will say we're not going to name any names have been reaching out on the crisis line for the foundation and we offer a mentorship and support to get them out. So there you have it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, yeah, tom Cruise is. Somebody said Tom Cruise has made a lot of SPS. He really has.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:In Scientology. If you're somebody's auditor and they turn SP, you get in big trouble as the auditor.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Tom Cruise was my auditor and I turned SP suppressive person, so he should be in trouble right now. They shouldn't be celebrating him. He's making SPs.
Speaker 2:But you forget, he has ethics protection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm tripping on. I don't know how I did that, maybe somebody else did that Anyway.
Speaker 2:No, I think you just.
Speaker 1:It's enough oh boy 15 minutes over.
Speaker 2:Okay. He's got to take me to lunch for mother's day. By the way thanks for being such an amazing husband and giving me so much love and support. Giving me so much love and support and getting me out of Scientology. I try so. Thank you honey.
Speaker 1:I try. I appreciate it. Happy mother's day to all you guys. I think I think we did it. I think we did it. I think we did the whole thing we did. I like to put the comments up over the end thingy-dingy, the outro as we call it in the biz.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to update that, by the way. It's getting more jarring every week.
Speaker 1:Oh, because if I put my face right in the middle like that and then it cuts, to me.
Speaker 2:I get weird. Wait, is that even the same guy?
Speaker 1:That's a great idea. I'll just go like this right at the end. I'll see if I can match it We'll say bye. Okay, say bye.
Speaker 2:Bye everybody. Thanks for joining us.
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