Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
From Sea Org to Freedom: Marc and Claire's Journey Beyond the Cult - Scientology Q&A #41
Marc and Claire Headley host an impromptu Q&A session addressing audience questions about their experiences in Scientology's Sea Organization and life after leaving the cult.
• Marc shares the infamous "Theta Potato" story about Scientologists using "postulates" to disable a parking enforcement officer's vehicle
• Claire reveals she was removed from her position and put in "the hole" for refusing to divorce Marc at David Miscavige's insistence
• Discussion of Miscavige's abusive leadership style and creation of "Pie Face" badges to humiliate staff members
• Explanation of how Scientology financially exploits members by charging full retail prices for items that cost pennies to produce
• Details about the Freewinds ship being a financial burden that has never been profitable
• Information about how police corruption investigations regarding Scientology are underway
• Personal reflections on adjusting to normal life after escaping Scientology, with freedom of time and food choices being most surprising
• Clarification of how L. Ron Hubbard Way in Los Angeles was renamed through financial influence
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. We're going to do a live Q&A tonight on the Blown for Good channel. Let's get Claire in here.
Speaker 2:Hello, good evening.
Speaker 1:We had actually already planned to do this, but then Claire ended up joining another stream, so we debated whether we were going to do it or not and then I decided we were still going to go ahead and do it. So give everybody a few minutes to get here If you're set up for notifications. I did a post. I realized I could do a post on the channel and then that would go out to people right away letting people know that we're going to be live at 6. But for all the people who didn't get that other notice, we'll just find out where everybody's watching from tonight.
Speaker 1:We like to do that to see where everybody's coming from, and we can also put up. We get to show some of your posts when to do that to see, uh, where everybody's coming from, and we can also put up. We get to, you know, show, show some of your posts when we do that. So for those people who like to see their name in lights, we've got uh. Um. There we go. We got ann from perth. Good morning from perth. Um, we've got um. We've got somebody from clearwater, poland. Daily Owl Charlotte from Kent.
Speaker 2:Here, let me put up one real quick.
Speaker 1:Okay, lathunda Grocklinger, and she's from.
Speaker 2:She didn't say where she's coming from. I think she's from Germany, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go, very good. Then we got Abigail from Rochester and somebody said Laura is too loud. I think that's on another stream, dude. I don't think that's on this one.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately we don't have Laura's volume adjustment on this channel.
Speaker 1:We don't. Bakersfield, calgary, waterloo, ontario, clearwater, buffalo Ridge Mountains, poland. That's the same person who said they were from Clearwater, poland. I see, yes.
Speaker 2:There you go yeah.
Speaker 1:Michigan, louisville, kingston, wow. We got a lot of people from a lot of different places Minnesota.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:Texas, phoenix, houston, fort Worth. A lot of people, a lot of people from a lot of different places Got about 400 people in here so far. I didn't know if are they still live on that other video? Oh yeah, they are. So if, um, are they still live on that other video? Oh, yeah, they are. So, amy, and those guys are still alive. So we might see some um people pop, pop in uh when they wrap up over there. But, um, but yeah, we wanted to uh, we wanted to update you guys, um, just any questions people had and um, what else we had. Um's another um, I think uh, aaron's probably not done a video about it already, but I think there was a thing about uh, was it the irs going after bijou and danny for uh, for a few, a few bucks in taxes that they didn't pay?
Speaker 2:oh, and um I mean they're?
Speaker 1:they're just getting hits, hits left, right and center over there in Scientologyville and it just seems to be a never ending source of nonsense over there right now.
Speaker 2:Yep, not a good day to be in a cult, folks. Not a good year to be in a cult.
Speaker 1:Yep, not a good year to be in a cult.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Let's just see If you guys have got questions we've got about what? Are we up to 500, 400, 400 to 500 people in here right now? Yep, if you guys have got questions that you would like us to address, get in there. Get them in the chat. It doesn't only have to be a super chat or a or a super sticker that we'll take, but, um, we will. Um, gino Dean Mark, can you?
Speaker 2:tell the story in the house Can?
Speaker 1:you tell the Theta potato story for new people who have never heard it. Um, one of the funniest stories I ever heard. One of the funniest stories I ever heard. I guess I can tell it real quick. So thanks for that.
Speaker 1:In Los Angeles would go after work on a weekday and that's when they would go to the Hollywood location and they'd go on course or they'd get their auditing or whatever. And when I was a kid we went there every night of the week. My mom would go on course and my sister and I would also go on course at the same time. So we would do school from 830 to 530. We'd get off of school, eat fast food on the way home from La Cunada to Hollywood and then we would get dropped off and we would go to a course at the Scientology Center from seven to 10 o'clock at night. And when we would do that we would have to get a parking space at the Scientology Center and it was nearly impossible At that time. L Ron Hubbard Way was called. I think it was called Catalina, I don't know the actual. I think it was Catalina Avenue.
Speaker 2:I can't remember.
Speaker 1:Whatever the street was that went, that's now called.
Speaker 2:It wasn't Berendo right.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was Berendo actually Could have been Berendo, anyway, whatever the street was that went, that's now called, it wasn't Berendo, right? Maybe it was Berendo actually Could have been Berendo, anyway, whatever the street name was any of those streets around there, there were parking, there was street parking. Now it's all cobblestoned and there's no parking on any of that area there, but it used to be parking both sides up and down the street. There used to be parking garages and a giant parking lot and with all of that it was impossible to find a parking space. And that's how many Scientologists there were in the 1980s. There was so much that all of the lots and all of the parking garages and all of the street parking, there was no place to park. And there was a parking.
Speaker 1:The parking enforcement person would come around, like at 7.15. So all the Scientologists would park in front of hydrants and park in spots that they didn't put change in and they do all that. And so then, when all the Scientologists would go into the course rooms and all these Scientology organizations there in Hollywood, the parking meter would just go around and give everybody tickets. And so there was a guy who I could always go around with with pockets of quarters and he'd put money in the meters that were that were going to expire when the parking person got there and he would fill the meters and if you saw the guy, you'd throw him a buck or two because he was the guy who put all the quarters in. And this guy was feverishly going through one night and putting quarters in and he ran out of quarters and the parking enforcement person was just about to come and give this car a ticket and he saw the parking attendant see that there was a meter that was expired, but they were on the other side of the street or something like that. So they went, they got back to their car and this guy this is the way the story went around was this guy postulated for, for.
Speaker 1:For those of you who don't know what that means, in Scientology, when you postulate something, it's just like you have a thought or an intention for something to happen and with your mind you're not doing. I mean, it's just, you have a thought, I'm going to this is, I want this to happen anyway. So this, this quarter guy, he had the thought I would, I would like a I'm postulating a theta potato in the tailpipe of the parking enforcement person, and so that's what he did. He was like Ooh theta potato in the tailpipe person, and so that's what he did. He was like Ooh Theta potato in the tailpipe. And then when the parking enforcement person went to to start the car, a car wouldn't start. It literally was just, it was dead and they had to get a tow truck and they had to do this whole thing but the person never got to give that guy a ticket and um and so he. Everybody was praising this guy for putting a Theta potato in the tailpipe of the parking attendant.
Speaker 1:And and this is in Scientology there's a magazine called the Advance magazine and it's the magazine of the advanced organization of Los Angeles and whenever they have these OT phenomena stories in there it's always about a parking space a Scientologist found with their mind or an accident that they didn't get into with their mind, or they got into an accident but with their mind they made it so they didn't get hurt or injured. It's always automobile-related or very frequently, high percentage of those for sure. Ot message to my husband to pick up lemon juice and then on his way home he was like you know what? I just thought I would pick up some lemon juice Cause I realized we were going to have fish and I didn't know if we. And then it's like, oh, I sent you that message. Um, we just have like an Apple note, you know, for the shopping list. That's much easier, it's also more reliable, it's more reliable?
Speaker 1:Um, anyway, um. So yeah, there's your theta potato question. Uh, cody Mac says is it true that when Scientologists volunteer to donate money for the way to happiness booklets, they have to pay full retail, full retail for each book? Yes, that's exactly true. So Scientology has this little. They call it a common sense guide to better living or something like that, and it's a little moral booklet. It's like the 10 commandments by L Ron Hubbard, but he also wants you to brush your teeth and you know, respect the religious beliefs of others and a bunch of other stuff not even Scient do, or L Ron Hubbard did himself the teeth and the respecting the religious beliefs of others was not a fan. Hubbard was not a fan of that at all.
Speaker 1:Anyway, but they've been printing these booklets for decades and decades and they cost about. I remember back in the day they cost about, I want to say they cost about a buck or something like that to print and I think at that time they charged you about $5 each. If you were a Scientologist, if you wanted to have these printed and distributed in a foreign country or in a little town or something like that, you had to buy them in, I think, packs of either $100 or $50 or $1,000, depending on what you were doing, either a hundred or 50 or a thousand, depending on what you were doing. And then you'd get, you'd pay up, you'd pay, you'd pay well over retail for what these things cost. Scientology would pocket that and then they'd spend, you know, the 50 cents or whatever it would cost to print the booklet and, um, and now I want to say these booklets, they, they have, um, these very, very high tech printing presses and they can purchase in giant quantities and they're printing. Every Scientology, within the last decade, has built themselves a giant, giant printing facility. Now that everything's digital and you can just send an email, they're still spending money chopping down forests and printing stuff. But I want to say the booklet I think was down to four cents a booklet they could produce them for. It might even be less now. And they're still charging a ton of dough for each one of those booklets that Scientologist donates, and they've done this for a very long time, very long time.
Speaker 1:I remember in the 1990s, um, lisa Marie Presley had donated 50,000, um videos, these how to do Dianetics, vhs tapes that we had. She had donated 50,000, 50,000 of the those videos to libraries across the world or the United States or something, to libraries across the world or the United States or something. And when you buy a video in Scientology, it's like, let's say it's 2599. Well, if you buy five of them, you get it like a 5% discount. You buy ten of them, you get a five ten percent. And if you buy I think it's If you buy over like a hundred, you get like a 50% discount. If you get these videos and Lisa Marie bought 50,000, they charge her 2599 for each one. And so what happens in Scientology is whoever sold. If you get somebody to do a course in Scientology, you get a commission. I think I want to say it's 15%.
Speaker 2:Yep, it is, we were there. Yeah, it's 50.
Speaker 1:It's called a field staff member commission. So if you're my um field staff member, they call it an FSM. If you're my FSM and I go in and buy a $5,000 course, then you get a cut of that and but you get it. You can either get it in training awards, which is like Scientology credit, or you can just get it, a check. And if you bring lots of people in, you don't do the training awards thing. You you're like hey, I do this for a living, I want the money. And so there's people that all they do is get people to sign up for courses and they they essentially go out and pressure them like, hey, you got to do, um, you're supposed to do this course, you never did it. And uh, once you get you paid up and so you can do this thing and that's how they make money. And so.
Speaker 1:But when you sell, if you sell books or lectures or videos, you get a I want to say that's a 10 percent commission or it depends on what it is. But if you get it, if there's a discount on that, then that's where the commission comes out of is out of that discount amount. So when Lisa Marie buys $50,000 worth of how-to videos. She pays full price and the person who made that deal with her got that full commission. And that's what David Miscavige was like no, no, uh-uh, and whoever it was got in big trouble. Okay, okay, amelia, here you go. We'll let you do this one, claire, since this is an internal affairs.
Speaker 2:All right, can you ask internal affairs or however you call the police that investigates police to investigate LAPD corruption regarding Scientology? Can a private citizen do that? Yeah, that's fair and in fact I think we talked about this, but internal affairs was at the LAPD meeting that Leah Remini and I had with LAPD. So, yes, many things in the works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. Good question. I thought it was an internal affairs like. Rtc thing, but you knew the answer to that one too, so good job no-transcript.
Speaker 1:If you answered no, you're probably wrong, and if you answered anything in between, you were definitely wrong and he would just yell at you and then you might even get beat up for an answer. Like a really, really bad answer is gonna get a good face smack or a shove into shove your head into somebody else's head, or it was a lot of violence being dealt out. So not only was there the possibility that you would be berated in the meeting for saying something stupid, but then you might even get physically assaulted. So it got to the point where people just sat there in the meetings and he would ask you he'd be like Claire, what is the answer to the question?
Speaker 2:And Claire would literally be like you just sit there, and then you started getting beat up for just not even responding yeah, then you started to get yelled at. But that's what pie face was born you can't, you can't hold anything.
Speaker 1:I didn't say anything, so you can't hold that against me anyway. So it got to a point where people would not answer and then they would just sit there. And then it got to a point where no one was answering, and it was actually. Wasn't it kind of crazy? Yes, it was. So it was to a point where no one was answering, and it was actually.
Speaker 2:Wasn't it kind of crazy? Yes, it was.
Speaker 1:It was to a point where he could ask anyone in the meeting a direct question and no one would answer. They would just sit there like and then you'd get some person who'd be like the suck up, would be like I could answer that question, sir, and he's like no, I don't want you to answer it, I want them to answer. And they wouldn't do it. And so then he made up this thing called Pie Face. I'm going to say Mike Rinder was the first Pie Face I'm just going to go out on a limb and whether it was him or it was not, Mark Yeager and Guillaume Le Serve were also both.
Speaker 2:It was one of those three, mike was one of the people that most often did respond actually to be fair. But yeah, mike was definitely accused of pie face on many occasions, but I'm pretty sure it was Mark Yeager, maybe Mark Ingber and Guillaume.
Speaker 1:It was one of those three for sure.
Speaker 2:We'll have to touch base with Mike on that question We'll have to confer.
Speaker 1:On that one, I'm going to say it literally became a campaign.
Speaker 2:Like David Miscavige had posters, he had badges Like that's right If you did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right, he at first he was just claiming he was just accusing everyone of being pie face. And that's what he would say to you Like, oh, more more pie face from you. And then if you were like a frequent offender, pie face offender, then you got a little badge that had a little face on it that he drew at a meeting and that logo that he had it was just a circle with a mouth, a closed mouth and just eye slits and that was it. And that was everywhere they made buttons, they made signs, they made it in all the conference rooms.
Speaker 2:It was like no pie face and it'd have like a red circle with the the line through it yeah and um and uh the craziest part, though, is that, after marty rathbun escaped from the base, from the property, uh, rollbacks were done, which is when, essentially, someone gets put on the e-meter and asked where did you get the idea to do X, y or Z destructive thing? So they, so rollbacks were done. Where did you get the idea to be pie face? And Marty was the cause of all the pie face, evidently, except it kept going, going.
Speaker 1:so yeah not sure it didn't pan out burt pineapple says question did you get inside lrh jaguar at saint hill? I never did that. That's not something. Um, that's kind of like um, you know, putting on the pope's uh, the pope's hat or something like that, that's like that. You would never in a million years even think about doing that.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:There were. There was an LRH mansion at the international headquarters and no staff were allowed to go unless you cleaned inside the mansion. You weren't even allowed to drive up to the mansion, much less go inside of it. You couldn't even use the road of the mansion.
Speaker 2:I went in there when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:No, I'm talking about at the base, you maniac. Oh, oh, thanks you went to the base no Bonnie view when you were a little kid.
Speaker 2:No, no, I went to Bonnie view, but when I was an adult, for some reason, I thought we were talking about St Hill.
Speaker 1:No, I've. I've been to St Hill and I've been to the LRH part of St Hill, but at the base where I was for 15 years, for several of those years, there was one mansion. They tore that one down and I think I went to that one one time as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a smaller house, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a piece of shit house at the top of the mountain. It was nothing special it was, it was, it was almost like. But they tore that one down and they built the one that's there now and that one is substantial and that I went to one time. I went up there and got a tour of the whole place from Annie, annie Tidman, and on order of David Miscavige, he said you need to go up there, annie, give him a tour. And then we went through the whole place and that I was still sort of like they put you know, they put there was a good question about the Jaguar, but at this place this was in. I'm going to say this is in 2004 when I went up there, maybe 2003.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And they put his clothes out every night there the night. At night, they put his clothes out on the bed for him to wear in the morning and they have all his stuff ready for the next day and every day being laundered by his granddaughter, no less.
Speaker 2:I mean, how creepy is that.
Speaker 1:And every day they would put on a different outfit for him. And even then I was like, wait a minute, if, if Elren Hubbard was died in 1986, he was a big fat old dud, fuddy duddy. Fat old dude, um dude that was going crazy at the horse ranch. When he comes back 21 years from now, he's going to fit into old fat, fuddy-duddy clothes. How's that work? He's going to pick up another old fat, fuddy-duddy body to fit into his old clothes. Anyway, not a lot of critical thinking going on over there at the L Ron Hubbard Household Unit. Lim Lee question If you were doing courses in Scientology Sea Org, how do you pay for anything? If you're a Sea Org member, you don't pay for Scientology counseling or courses. Unless you're a Sea Org member that's elderly in Los Angeles, then they'll take as much money from you as they can for counseling, I guess, according to recent accounts.
Speaker 2:But they do make you sign a promissory note that you'll pay for it if you ever break free.
Speaker 1:Yes, so even though legally any counseling or training you would get while you're employed by Scientology, legally that is on the job training because they're requiring you to do this counseling or this courses, so it's on the job training it's illegal for them to charge you for that. But if you do leave the C organization and you want to stay a Scientologist and be able to talk to all your relatives and other family members in Scientology, then you have to pay what's called a freeloaders bill and Claire and I were given a. What was it? How much was it? 156,000?
Speaker 2:159,000 total between the two of us. Mine was 96 and change and yours was like 62 or thereabouts.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So they gave us a $150,000 bill for the Scientology training and counseling. I was like, yeah, you know where you can stick that right, I'm never. We did not pay a penny of that. So, yeah, that's how that works, Limley, Thank you for that. Ideal Borg, AKA CEO BILF. Question Mark were you ever involved with the how to use Dianetics VHS? Someone uploaded the whole thing. Yeah, I, I quality control checked thousands and thousands and thousands of those and we even shot a lot of the footage when I was on the film team for the videos that ended up going into the DVD and the how to Dianetics, how to kit and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm in that video too.
Speaker 1:Yep, you sure is Okay. Can you read the next one? I've got to do a sip.
Speaker 2:Yep. Oh, I guess he didn't put it up for me, got to do my own. Oh, there we go, bo Beats. Hi guys, do you ever worry about SPTV Nation becoming too big and, whether OSA or not, kind of imploding in on itself with controversy and or drama? Well, that's kind of the beauty of an organic nation, as SPTV Nation is. There's always going to be differing opinions. The more voices, the merrier, and so long as there's something to talk about, known as a cult of Scientology, we'll still be here talking about it.
Speaker 2:So you know, to each their own. If you don't care for our opinions, that's okay, you can. There are plenty of other options. So you know no one's going to get along all of the time about everything. And you know Mark and I are of the view let's just keep our eye on the mountain and stay focused and keep moving forward.
Speaker 1:Yep, amen Hail Zinu.
Speaker 2:Hail Zinu.
Speaker 1:Amy Green says how long did it take you to adjust to a normal life after leaving Scientology? Wow, I'm going to say it took us probably about six months, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, in some respects, I think we're still adjusting sometimes.
Speaker 1:Well, of course, but after about six months we were like, oh, we're good, this is not. This is like. This is a piece of cake. We're good.
Speaker 2:We're good at this this is a piece of cake. We're yeah, we're good. The biggest crazy crazy. To me, the biggest like wow, what the heck? Uh? Was how much time we had on our hands and what to do with that time. It was shocking. And also the ability to eat whatever we wanted whenever we wanted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was. That was particularly rough on the good old me here. We when, when, when we were in the Sea Org, I was part of the clean plate club and you know you got three meals a day and anything outside of that you were on your own. So when I found out I could do, you know, five or six or seven or 27 meals a day, I was like, oh, I got to get used to this, let's see what's going to happen here. And yeah, every time we have, we have three boys and I think I gained 20 pounds each time Claire had a kid, but I never gave up the 20 pounds from the kid before. So so I was a big old bastard by the end of those, those three boys.
Speaker 2:It's called sympathy weight gain right, Isn't that what they call it?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's just called having fun eating gain.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you want to call it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. Robert Watson said question have you?
Speaker 2:ever heard of the river at Tampa Bay? I haven't.
Speaker 1:I have not Sorry.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Appreciate it though. The river at Tampa Bay? No, don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2:Look at this.
Speaker 1:Cece's comfort cooking. Michael McKay says what's your thoughts on the freewind story that Aaron spoke on today? Have you guys ever been on the ship? I think what he's talking about is there was a rumor that the freewinds had gone into dry dock recently.
Speaker 2:Yep, somebody actually just sent an email to share with Aaron that is confirmed that it's in Dry Dock in Curacao as of October 10th.
Speaker 1:I understand that, but the video that Aaron did today is that it's never coming out of Dry Dock. That's the end of it. So I'm not exactly sure about that. The Freewinds I've been on the free wins many times. We did events on the free. Have you ever been on the free wins, claire?
Speaker 2:Just the one time when it was in Ensenada.
Speaker 1:Oh, just when everybody went for a few hours, you went there for three days.
Speaker 2:No, I was there for three days, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I went there many times on events and I also went there before I joined the Sea Org. I spent about a week or so, 10 days, seven or 10 days or something like that, but it was always a giant piece of trash. It used to be a ferry boat, I think. Yeah, it used to be a ferry boat, or it was a car hauler or something. I can't remember what it was, but it wasn't a really nice cruise ship.
Speaker 1:I may be getting some of those facts confused with the Apollo. I know the Apollo was like a cattle freighter at one point, but the free winds was a giant pile of junk and it had blue asbestos on it and it had all sorts of nonsense. And they spent many, many millions of dollars over the years upgrading it and trying to make it as good as possible and it never, ever, ever was profitable. From the day they opened it to the to today, it has never made a dollar.
Speaker 1:It's always been run at a loss and they've never been able to keep enough Scientologists there because really, since its inception, scientology was on the downturn. So how many ever people they thought they could get there on a regular basis? They've never been able to do that for the entire time that it operated, and it was also a piece of shit on top of that. So I think it would be wise for them to get rid of it, because it's just a giant waste of time and it also is where they can get away with stuff in international waters, so I think it should be gotten rid of.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it can also serve as a floating prison for people that they never want to see the light of day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it doesn't hurt that it's involved in all these lawsuits right now. So if they get rid of it and destroy it, then it can't be. They can't go there, they can't investigate, they can't look and they can't take pictures, they can't. You know it's done, it's gone. So I think they'll get rid of Eventually. If they don't get rid of it now, they will need to get rid of it sooner than later because it's just, it's just costing them money. Librarian X question. Do you think DM did the revisions to the books tech as a way to keep the copyright for author services COS 75 years after first published 100%? He said so on many occasions. Yep, that was absolutely part of the strategy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, when he announces to Scientologists that they had to revise these things, he has to come up with a good reason for them to revise them. But the main reason they revive revise them is so that they could extend the copyrights, and they they wouldn't because L Ron Hubbard's passed away. Um, these things have to be sort of revived every once in a while in order to keep them going, and so that's 100 percent story that started coming out was oh, whoops the secretary that put this book together dropped it on the way to the printer, and that's why there's a forward at page 300.
Speaker 1:Even though L Ron Hubbard has read out of the book as printed incorrectly for lectures and stuff like that, somehow he still didn't know that it was all messed up. Yep, okay, lrh way. How did that street get renamed? You can, you can pretty much name anywhere in the United States. You can name a street after somebody. If you pay that city enough money, they'll name the street. If you go to any place where there's a big Walmart, it's on Walmart way or Sam Walton lane or you know something like that.
Speaker 1:Changing a road name is not a hard thing to do. So the city of Hollywood or the city of Los Angeles or LA County or whatever it is Scientology completely redid the road, made it really nice, paid for it, all themselves, and the city said sure, you can put a sign up that says Elrond Abbot Way and it's only like a, let's say, a 200 yard section of street. It's just one little teeny street, it's not and it's dead ended on both sides. So it ends into a street and it ends into another street. It's just one little leg of street that's called L run Hubbard way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that I just looked it up. That was done in 1996 and it did used to be Barando street. There you go.
Speaker 1:Awesome A question Don't you guys ever do any lives with Aaron anymore? Yeah, I did a live with Aaron like a week ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have one coming up on November 4th. We just all have very busy schedules, and Aaron has the capacity to do way more than any of us.
Speaker 1:Well, so Aaron does his videos during the day and we do our videos at night after we get off work.
Speaker 2:Which is two hours ahead in Florida, because we have day jobs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's why we don't always do them together. And we have been doing some with Mike lately because Mike has wanted to do videos with us and he'll do it at night. And he reached out to us and said, hey, do you guys want to do this with me? And we're like sure we're good. Um, but yeah, we will do, if Aaron. I talked to Aaron like three or four times a week. If he wants to do a video, he knows he can call me and we'll do a video. Yep, um, thank you. Coffee first, please.
Speaker 2:Um me too, by the way. First please.
Speaker 1:That's a two. Barrel says what's your favorite Depeche mode song? Ooh, that's a hard one, very, very hard. I've been just recently. I've been going through and listening to every single album in chronological order, getting ready for the concert that's about to come up. But, um, um, I don't know, I don't, don't really I they're kind of like kids. I can't really name my favorite without, uh, you know, just disappointing the other songs. But, uh, enjoy the silence. Live in berlin. Um, on youtube. Pretty good, pretty good. Thank you, barrel, for that. Um and burrow lrh way, how did that go? We already did that. Um, um, silver spoon question. Hey, claire, what will Mark say if I ask him what are Claire's best qualities? Um, okay, claire, you get to answer that question.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know what you would say. It says hey, claire, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:Say if I ask him what are Claire's best qualities?
Speaker 2:Uh, claire's best qualities. Clearly, I'm just a spectator. For this one, I think you'd say I'm pretty good at being patient and um, putting up with a lot of nonsense and multitasking beyond his, um, tolerance level. I will note, but yeah, that's what I would say. What would you say, honey? That's pretty accurate.
Speaker 1:Thank you, good job.
Speaker 2:Great Zinu, your homeboy.
Speaker 1:Way to use those BTs. Mark Mike Rinder kept throwing his at DM. My BTs are great buds. They're great at bowling and barbecues. Oh, and that whole space opera thing was a complete misunderstanding. There you go. I'm telling you, zinu, my homeboy agrees with the whole BTs thing. Bts activate. You've got to embrace your BTs.
Speaker 1:If those of you who don't know, or if you're a Scientologist and you don't know, according to L Ron Hubbard, we have tens of thousands of alien souls on us, called body Thetans, otherwise known as BTs. I call them space cooties, and Scientologists are evicting these things. When they get on the upper operating Thetan levels, they're evicting these things at a mad pace and I say embrace them, let's live together. Rising tides raise all ships, live together. Rising tides, raise all ships. Thank you for that, zinu. Gary Gunnels, why is it called the Flag Base they used to have, gary. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1:In the Sea Organization there used to be several Sea Org ships and L Ron Hubbard fancied himself the commodore of this flotilla of Sea Organization vessels. He called them. They call them Sea Org Motor Vessel, apollo, or the Sea Org Motor Vessel, the Freewinds. These are Sea Org Motor Vessels and when there was a main ship that Hubbard was on that was called the flagship. That's the key ship that gives the directions to all the other ships in the flotilla and the commodore is the one who runs the flagship. That's the key ship that gives the directions to all the other ships in the flotilla and the Commodore is the one who runs the flagship. And the flagship was where Scientologists would come from all over the world to train, to get trained by L Ron Hubbard himself and to get counseled by people that L Ron Hubbard had trained to be counselors himself.
Speaker 1:And when they were looking for Hubbard the various governments of the world. He could hide out on these ships and they could just go anywhere they wanted in the ocean and they couldn't track down Hubbard. Well, at a certain place there was not really any more places they could go that they hadn't been chased out of before, and so they had to move that whole operation to land and they first went to Daytona, florida, and then they ended up in Clearwater Florida, at the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, florida, and when they did that they called it the Flag Land Base and that is how it became known as the FLB, or the flag, or flag, or the flag land base. Yep, we should clip that, and that should be how the history, what? How? The flag land base became the flag land base. Thank you for that, gary Cause. That was the best summation of that I've ever heard, or or?
Speaker 1:or manufacturer much. Darla Curry, one, four, nine says did you ever see DM beat up a female Elaborate? I have never seen him beat up a female. I have seen him yell at females and I've seen him like yell so much that there was like a little bit of spittle kind of mixed in there in the yelling. But mostly what he would do correct me if I'm wrong on this, claire but mostly what he would do is he would get other females to beat up other females. He never he knew that that might be a bridge too far.
Speaker 2:So he would just throw water and throw water bottles at females and, yes, you're right, he would make other females um. Yeah, take care of business on his behalf, on his orders, yeah.
Speaker 1:And some of them would get a handsy. Some of them and also, um, girls would beat up guys and that was like a really weird one, because you'd have a girl beating on somebody and you're just like come on, come on, let's not be silly. And yeah, lots of nonsense. David Miscavige not a nice guy. Nope, stacey, why Do you think OSA is putting out false info now to see who's leaking to y'all and think little DM is fuming with the 567 lawsuits looming?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I even said this earlier when the Danny Masterson declare came out, when the free win stuff. I really do think when there's a lot of like really wild info that's getting linked almost all the time, I suspect this is them telling people to see who's leaking what to who and, to be honest, I always think it's OSA, no matter what it is. I think OSA has something to do with it in some way, shape or form, because they're really trying to figure out how to control the narrative here, and I think the only way they know how is to control what the leaks are. I think that's sort of what they've learned, but there's a lot of leaks from a lot of areas, so I'm not sure exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why we're just automatically suspicious of anything that causes division, which there tends to be a fair amount of.
Speaker 1:Yes, Hi guys, as Kelly P passed from cancer, did they consider her a PTS, for example, though who she's been talking to, and would John T have to undergo auditing? The celebrities are always sort of on some sort of program or on some sort of handling program from the Religious Technology Center. If they're not in a Scientology organization doing auditing and doing counseling and doing stuff and talking about Scientology, usually somebody is calling them and saying, hey, when's the next time you're going to come in or when are you going to do this? When you get up to that John Travolta, tom Cruise level, I'm pretty sure they just do whatever they want. And unless David Miscavige has a specific beef or they did something or said something that he has, he wants, sorted out, they pretty much just let them do whatever they want.
Speaker 1:And I will say, of the two'm pretty sure kelly p was the more um, uh, avid scientologist. Between her and john, she was 110 percent scientology and I don't think I think over the years. John travolta plays nice, but he's not running out of his way to fly back to florida so he can go wasn't?
Speaker 2:wasn't ke Kelly, the Narconon spokesperson for a while?
Speaker 1:No, that was Kirstie Alley. Kelly was very big on CCHR and she went to a lot of the marches and the protests and stuff like that. Xenia, your homeboy Question. Oh, mark, I've been meaning to ask you in the Scientology video with the Fava Flav award for TC, who is doing the music? In the Scientology video with the favor Flav award for TC, who is doing the music in the background?
Speaker 1:Did they play that at gold or was it just mixed? Know that the that Mission Impossible riff bound and Aaron and Aaron and it. That was done by a gentleman by the name of Chris Mayo. He was a golden era musician and Tom Cruise loved that though his reinterpretation of that riff and how he played it. And that guy was seriously popular with Tom Cruise for about a year or two and Tom Cruise was even thinking these golden era musicians should do some music for my movies and stuff like that because of this one guitar. Uh, guy, chris mayo and um.
Speaker 1:So the golden musicians were tasked with coming up with some music ideas for mission impossible and whatever they came up with uh ended tom cruz's um fandom of the golden era musicians. It was literally such a cheese fest of what they thought that they could do that. They were done. They were dead to him after that. So the Chris Mayo guy got him in the door and then the rest of the Golden Era musicians took a big, hot, steamy dump right in Tom Cruise's plate and they weren't big fans. Um alexander champagne question. Would security use lethal forces if, hypothetically, one were forced the entrance of cst to free shelly, knowing they don't want the police to interfere, like when they rescued mark in 2003? Who, um, I don't remember me being rescued.
Speaker 2:Well, no, so when you escaped? Oh well that was in 2005.
Speaker 1:You'd already escaped from the property, shelly. Well, those are two different things. The police interfered with me on a public road, so that's that, and that was my just my dumb luck that that happened. And if you force the entrance of CST, then it becomes a like stand your, stand your ground sort of issue, depending on what state you do that in. But that's trespassing and you can defend your property. I'm not sure if you can defend it with lethal force.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Jackson has talked about how security were being trained to be prepared to use lethal force in the event of intruders on the property.
Speaker 1:Yeah okay. There you go. John Satowski, where does the best fudge come from?
Speaker 2:Uranus Missouri.
Speaker 1:It comes from John Satowski, because I didn't get it from wherever this Uranus place is. I got it from John Satowski. But, yeah, I got it right here. I got it. I got it right up here in case he mentions it. Do you get? Are you on a commission basis, john? What's the deal with you in this fudge place? We're curious. Yeah, a lot of fudge, a lot of fudge. Abigail, have you seen the trivia live stream Aaron's been doing with Reese? Yeah, that, where they pretend that they're more stupid than even most Seward members are. Sterling, joined them on the last one. I feel like it would be great if you joined. I suggested Jackbox on one, which would be awesome with you guys. I don't know what a Jackbox is. Is that Jackson?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I don't know what a.
Speaker 1:Jackbox is. But yes, abigail, thank you. No, like I said, aaron's doing all those while I'm at work, so sometimes I do have them playing in the background while I'm working, but I have a day job. Hey guys, una from Belfast, when you were both in the Sea Org, was Claire worried that Mark was always getting in trouble or being moved, et cetera? Did it affect her role? That's a great question. Go ahead, claire.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was very worried.
Speaker 1:Mark and I had a few ups and downs over this topic, but yeah, I'm just going to show this one too, because this is actually a super chat from the same person. Om22,. Hey guys, una from Belfast.
Speaker 2:When Mark got in trouble or pissed on someone was this fed back to Claire and did it ever impact her on her role? So it's pretty much the same thing Ultimately, um, my refusal to divorce Mark at the insistence of David Miscavige, was the reason that I was uh, removed from religious technology center and put into the hole. So, yes, it did have an impact, and many uh, on a few different occasions I was being told I absolutely had to divorce him or I'd lose my job, which did eventually happen. So there you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a fact. And then this guy did another one. I'm not sure. Hey guys, yes, oh, it's, una. Yes.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm 22. Una from Belfast I know who this person is OK, good.
Speaker 1:Well, we definitely answered all of his questions. Super chat and not Blood drill says who is Jenny Linson for 600? Mark.
Speaker 2:Dillon Gill in the house Jenny Linson.
Speaker 1:Also no, it's Linson. By the way, jenny Linson is the daughter of Art Linson. Linson is the daughter of art linson, who is the producer of the hit tv show yellowstone, as well as, uh, mayor of kingstown is that the name of the show? The other show, um, and a bunch of other great shows that I love um, isn't her brother involved in yellowstone too, her?
Speaker 1:brother, john linson is also a producer, I think, on Yellowstone. I'm not sure if he's also the producer on Mayor of Kingstown, but so, yes, they all three of them lost money in a Ponzi scheme done by a gentleman by the name of Art Linson, not Art Linson Reed.
Speaker 2:Slatkin.
Speaker 1:Art Linson, john Linson and Jenny Linson all lost money in that, and so did the guy that plays Rip in the show Can't remember his name right off the bat Hauser, what's his name? Something Hauser. His dad's name was Wings Hauser. I can't remember the guy's name, but anyway, the actor who plays rip, um, was also uh, also lost a ton of dough in that thing. Um, jenny linson was at the int international headquarters as a seahawk member. She used to be married to a gentleman by the name of tom devocht, who has since escaped scientology and spoken out, it was Cole Hauser.
Speaker 1:Cole Hauser, that's right.
Speaker 2:Thanks, Matt.
Speaker 1:And anyway. So Jenny was in the Sea Org. She used to be in the CMO, which is the Commodore's Messenger Organization in Clearwater, and then she was moved to the base to be one of David Miscavige's lieutenants and she is a nasty piece of work and she is likely involved in anything that has to do with harassing ex-Seahawk members.
Speaker 2:If you'd like to see her in action, go on over to YouTube and search Marty Rathbun, lax, jenny Linson and you will understand yeah.
Speaker 1:I wish Marty would have cleaned his camera lens before shooting that. It would be so much better. Laura Font says didn't LRH say we have X amount of years to clear the planet? Hasn't that date passed? What did Scientologists think would happen if we didn't meet the goal? How do they justify or explain a way not meeting this goal? That's a great question. And L Ron Hubbard did say that threat was eminent from external forces and that the world was about to end and it would be destroyed um by um, by nuclear or atomic war and um, and that's really kind of like the, the. The atmosphere which Scientology thrives under is like we don't have a lot of time, we got to do this right now and um, that's why it's all. Everything's always rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, um. And I'm not sure how they justify any of this, because he said he was coming back in 2007. Just checking, and no, he's overdue. Missed a bus or a train somewhere. Where do you be, l or H? That package arrived, by the way, claire, just so you know.
Speaker 2:Perfect.
Speaker 1:Awesome, jessica Borg says. Next stuffy should be space cooties. Such a good name Could even make ones that stick to things. Just an idea Could make Velcro space cooties that just stick to anything. I love it, jessica. Write this down, keep track of Jessica. If space cooties come, jessica's going to be the first one to get one. I love the Space Cootie idea, jessica. I don't even know why no one's ever suggested that Space Cooties could be a big thing. Buy your own Space Cooties.
Speaker 2:I will say I just love the creativity in this community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you guys think Space Cootie should be the next stuffy, get in there, get in those comments and say thumbs up for space cooties or space cooties for the win. Do you got to get in the comments? I got to know if there's a general consensus that we should create space cootie stuffies to as a fundraiser. Um, if, if, if you guys will do it and you guys will buy them, then we'll do them. We got to get rid of these, davey, captain Davey from the Space Navy. First, though, because I'm not making. We don't do more than one at the same time. That's just how it works.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate that. Do you want to jump out and deal with that package? And I can wrap up the rest of these questions.
Speaker 1:Bye, I'll see you all soon, soon we have a package arrived that claire needs to deal with. So I, you're all you're left with me now. Um and um, let's see we have. I'm gonna answer as many as I can. Um and uh, let's see john satowska.
Speaker 1:I laugh when I think how many times osa sees the word uranus in the sptv transcripts. I laugh then when I just think that um, osa has to watch these videos. For those of you who are new to the channel, osa is the Office of Special Affairs, scientology's spy wing, and they are responsible for people that expose Scientology in the real world and they are tasked with shutting them down and dealing with them. And there is about I moved my microphone, I muted myself. Sorry about that. There's about 50 channels on YouTube right now that are doing um, scientology type uh exposés. Like all day, every day, these videos are coming out and um and OSA is the one task with having to listen, to transcribe and summarize these things and tell David Miscavige what's what the internet is up to, uh and how they're treating Scientology. So, um, yeah, it's must be Russ, must be rough, oh, so that you guys just have to do this on a full-time basis. But hey, there, we're here whenever you guys want to bail. That will help you. Here we go. If you didn't know, oh, it's Abigail again. Thank you, abigail. If you didn't know, jackbox is a party game series where you connect over the internet and you can play games ranging from trivia, drawing, social deduction, et cetera. I can email Claire with the main website explaining more. Okay, cool, oh, so you want us to play Jack box? You want us to do that? You know that's um, that's like Kelly copter, um, territory there, she, I think they did a, they did a werewolf game today. I watched it for a little bit. I didn't see who won in the end, but um, but I did go in there and um, I think, um, the mayor of uh of Neverinton was uh, was uh, unalived before I, right before I left. Um, the raffa-daffa-doo, clara Mark, all, all y'all are some. Clara Mark, all y'all are awesome.
Speaker 1:Question have either of you ever met Monique Yingling? She seems especially rotten. I have met her at an event or something like that. I can't even remember what it was. It might have been the 1993 War Is Over event. When I met her she got an award from David Miscavige. She was one of the main architects who helped them get um, get tax exemption and then she became his personally turn, a personal attorney after that event. And, um, and she's not even a Scientologist.
Speaker 1:She, she is the de facto uh Scientology spokesman right now. Whenever they have a a really big uh fire that they need to put out, they send Monique over there to yap and she, when she talks, she blinks. She blinks a little bit more than you would think for someone who's just talking and I think her nickname is Blinky McBlinkface I think that's what Mike Rinder calls her. Thank you for that. The Raffa Daffa do.
Speaker 1:Stacey Y again start chart suggestions. Casey Y again start chart suggestions. Start stat chart suggestions. Danny in the Davey in the dependent chair. Or get SPTV to replace Leah on all the blame and spiteful sites. She needs a break of being the ultimate super SP. Many channels are earning their capes yeah, they. I think the reason they go after Leah the hardest because she has the largest reach and she is technically technically, I mean, I'm going to say she's inflicting the heaviest amount of damage to them currently, or just has been generally just with the amount of people that she can reach. So, yeah, there might be some sort of Scientology axiom, which is the number of hate sites and hate propaganda is proportional to the number of suppressive acts we appear to be committing to them.
Speaker 1:Christian B says Claire, do you think I'm sorry I'll have to answer this one Do you think the tiny troll DM is watching insanely jealous of how great your haircut is and thinking to himself I need a new hairstyle? I think he is jealous of Claire's hair. Um, claire doesn't have any plugs like he does. And um, and I know she's not taking any of that HGH, all that amount of HGH he's taken. So, um, we're going to err on the side. Christian, that he's jealous, and he's also just jealous of us in general because he can't go anywhere, do anything. He's got to hide out in his Scientology countdown. Vince and Giggles says I vote, make John Satowski and eat more pizza.
Speaker 1:Mods, they're both hilarious and know how to swing a wrench. Yeah, I think for now, claire's just being, uh, being the mod and um, we'll see. Most of the modding can be just done with keywords. I mean, I I've seen nonsense in here from every once in a while, but it's a chat. It's like, okay, um, okay, let's see if there's any other ones here. I missed guys. I wanted to get out of here under an hour and I think we're getting pretty close there.
Speaker 1:Let's look at Wonder Woman here. She says Wonder Woman question do you think Osa tells Diem about him being teased? Example 413, captain Davy Dahl. You know that's the thing. We've sort of argued about this in the past and it's been going on for a long time. That's not good for, that's not a good look for OSA or anyone in RTC who knows about this.
Speaker 1:Um, so I think they may have told him that we're making a doll or something like that, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure how many they've purchased or are they? Did they have to send up a sample? I mean, it is what it is. Um, I haven't. Um, I haven't seen any suspicious orders, like, I haven't seen any dolls ordered to the any of the Scientology facilities but um, but when we went into a lawsuit with them and we went into um depositions, they had a signed copy of my book that was a pre-release, super special edition version that they got from somewhere. So it is what it is. We're doing it to support the Aftermath Foundation.
Speaker 1:It just happens to be hilarious that it's a little Davey thing and if you haven't ordered one of your Captain Davey of the fake Space Navy, you can get one and they're on the SP Shop If you go to the spshopcom. We have bobbleheads, we have bracelets and we also have these little dolls here At the spshopcom. I got to update my thing to put a Captain Space Davey, captain Space Davey from the fake Navy or whatever, the Captain Chucklesworth, but you can get those from the spshopcom. And then if you guys, where is it here? If you want to support the um, the channel, you can go to blown for goodcom, um, or you can go to the um, the BFG merch store, and that's where you can pick up Xenu is my homeboy, merch hail, Xenu cups, mugs, mouse pads, all that good stuff, um, that helps us support the channel, keeps us, uh, doing this stuff. And then if you want to help the aftermath foundation, you can go to theaftermathfoundationorg. You can sign up to be a volunteer, you can sign up to get notices when we do stuff, and that's where the SP shop comes in. Anything that we sell on the SP shop bobbleheads, mike Rinder bobbleheads, or SP bracelets, sp you can get those, all those. And the Captain Space Davey from the Fake Navy, you can get all those things at the spshopcom. That's going to do it for us tonight.
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