Space Cooties and Empty Promises - Scientology Secrets #6

Marc and Claire Headley expose the systematic financial scams Scientology perpetrates against its own members, revealing internal secrets from their combined 28 years at Scientology's International Headquarters.

• The "Bridge to Total Freedom" prominently displays OT levels 9-15, but these levels don't actually exist
• L. Ron Hubbard died after only completing materials up to OT8, yet Scientology continues selling the promise of these non-existent levels
• Scientology constantly moves the goalposts for releasing these levels (first all orgs reaching "St. Hill size," then becoming "Ideal Orgs")
• The L. Ron Hubbard Hall in Clearwater has been fundraised for over 20 years but never built, while donations generate investment returns
• Multiple Scientologists were told they exclusively funded the same architectural elements, like crosses on buildings
• The "Outer Org Trainee" program forces smaller Scientology organizations to send staff to Florida for "training" at exorbitant costs
• These staff members become cheap labor for Florida facilities and get poached for the Sea Organization
• The World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) prevents Scientologists from using the legal system for business disputes
• Reed Slatkin, a Scientology minister, ran a massive Ponzi scheme, primarily defrauding fellow Scientologists
• Scientology has perfected binding contracts that prevent members from seeking legal recourse for any harm experienced

If you've experienced financial fraud by Scientology, such as unauthorized credit card charges, contact the Aftermath Foundation through their website. Many victims have successfully recovered their money with proper assistance.

Chapters

• 0:13 Introduction to Scientology Secrets
• 8:58 The Non-Existent OT Levels Scam
• 23:53 Clearwater Real Estate and Empty Promises
• 36:54 The Outer Org Trainee Program Deception
• 54:25 WISE and Scientology Business Fraud
• 1:11:02 The Reed Slatkin Ponzi Scheme
• 1:25:19 Final Thoughts and Q&A Session

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:13

hey guys, welcome back to the channel, welcome to another episode of blown for good scientology secrets. I am joined today by my beautiful wife, claire.

Speaker 2: 0:22

Hey, hey, hey, happy Sunday, everybody, thanks for being here.

Speaker 1: 0:26

And, yeah, what we're going to cover today is we're going to cover Scientology secrets, but we're going to talk about the things that Scientology does to their members and some of the things that Scientology won't tell you about that they know about ahead of time and they still they basically still keep it going so they can get some money in, and things like that.

Speaker 2: 0:53

And it's all about the money.

Speaker 1: 0:55

My screen. Hopefully everybody's going okay here. My screen is. Is your screen frozen on me?

Speaker 2: 0:59

Yeah, you look frozen to me. Okay, Well you can try putting it on me and see if that's different.

Speaker 1: 1:08

I can see the live switching here, but I don't know what's going out to the feed.

Speaker 2: 1:12

Oh but uh are we frozen Clara?

Speaker 1: 1:16

Yep the screen is also frozen on. Both sides, but can they hear us?

Speaker 2: 1:20

Can you hear us? Yep, we can hear us.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Well, that's weird.

Speaker 2: 1:25

Um, this is Mark's TR0, training routine zero.

Speaker 1: 1:30

What are you thinking?

Speaker 2: 1:30

about You're frozen.

Speaker 1: 1:33

Well, I guess we can try to do some settings here.

Speaker 2: 1:40

Sorry guys. We've been having major BT issues with our internet and it seemed to be fine right before we started, but evidently, oh, now we're good, are we good now?

Speaker 1: 1:53

Yeah Well.

Speaker 2: 1:54

I don't know. We'll just play it like it is Just roll with it, we're good. Oh yeah, we're good now.

Speaker 1: 2:00

Otherwise, this will just be a great podcast episode. We yeah, we're good now. Otherwise, this will just be a great podcast episode.

Speaker 2: 2:03

We'll just have a great little conversation and be like cool.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Well, let's do a thing like we normally do. We like people to come and tell us where they're watching from in the comments and, as always, anybody who comments will be entered into when a giveaway that we will be doing at the end of the video. We're going to try to keep this to an hour, but we might go a little over, because there's a lot of scams going on inside Scientology that we can talk about. We're going to try to get to as many of them as we can, but we will be doing the giveaway at the end. So, if you tell us where you're coming from, we'll do that for a little bit and then, once we've got at least a 100 or so people in here watching, then we will start talking about the Scientology secrets.

Speaker 2: 2:48

Sounds good. Trevenon joining us from the Netherlands Nice, good to see you here. Cool Jane Hi from South Carolina. M hi from Washington, awesome. Joseph. Brian Stanley Hi from Sao Paulo Nice, sue Donofrio Anseldo Hi from Liverpool, new York, not England, there you go. Greetings from Wisconsin Hi, mandy, happy I could make the live. Yay, mary Edwards. Greetings from Newcastle, indiana, cool Coffee first. Always, woohoo, love these episodes. Hello from Marrakech, morocco. Last night of my holiday, wow, nice, gretchen. Philly from Philly, awesome, glenda Hi there, claire Bear and Mark from Washington State. Been looking forward to today's topic. Good to see you here, glenda topic. Good to see you here. Glenda. Jack Shaw. Hello from Henderson, nevada. Valerie hi from Vancouver Island. Bear's mom, indiana. Katie D County, galway, ireland. Hi, katie, she was one of our winners from last week. Yeah, proper, gal galway girl. Yes, there you go. And sweden here nice, cool, cool. Dalton. Hello from the island.

Speaker 1: 4:15

Good to see you um, okay, oh, we got some more here that. Oh, they're coming in fast annette.

Speaker 2: 4:22

Good morning from chili bendigo in australia. Nice awesome, betsy, sue. Greetings from fort bragg, north carolina, uh, we know. Greetings from turin, italy, where the sun has set nice manon.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Good evening from the netherlands, yay did we do this one from fort bragg? Uh, yes, we did perfect okay, um, I think that, uh, I think that takes care of this. We do, we do with that one bear's mom.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yes, indiana. Somebody said oh, apostate alex is here. Oh, you got to pull that one up. Okay, inmate number 8808, reporting for duty from his majesty's prison, clearwater, uk. Did you hear that they had Alex arrested for 15 minutes? I mean handcuffed.

Speaker 1: 5:08

Yeah, handcuffed. They didn't actually arrest him, of course not Because he wasn't doing anything illegal.

Speaker 2: 5:14

Exactly, I know, unbelievable. We're glad you're safe, alex, thanks for everything that you do, yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:21

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Speaker 2: 5:27

I think here, yeah, why gray, gray, wild, wild. Okay, I think, um, um, here's another one here, becky big brother fan at petra, petrina. Good, oh at petrina. Good evening from down the road in reading petrina oh, what was the one we? Always did oh come, come on, come on, leave me alone.

Speaker 1: 5:43

Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan, I would say Awesome. Look, there's lots of people from other countries.

Speaker 2: 5:53

Hello, all Hello all, yes, exactly Wherever you're joining us from. Thank you for being here and thank you for your support in our exposure of Scientology's abuses, which we will keep doing until they not abusing anymore, right.

Speaker 1: 6:08

At least yeah. At least. Oh, there's one last one I want to show here. It says those Captain Davey dolls must be real distressing.

Speaker 2: 6:16

I know Right.

Speaker 1: 6:17

We have these dolls. We've been getting a lot of flack for these dolls because they're causing great distress alarm and distress.

Speaker 1: 6:29

Where do we have them, these guys right here, these little guys, those are Captain Navy dolls. You can get those on the spshopcom and um and support the aftermath foundation, um, and also, oh, oh, I thought it froze for just a second. See that, yes, better be good. We are. Everything's good, the internet's good, everything we have been. There has been some suspicious Internet things happening since we started the channel, kind of going and doing the shorts and doing the billboards and and everybody else around us is Internet is totally fine, but our Internet has been super sketchy.

Speaker 2: 7:00

Yeah, no, we're not, not to worry, we have nothing to hide, it's a beard scratcher. Beard scratcher. Well, I, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1: 7:09

Anyway, today we're going to talk about I was thinking I didn't exactly know I was going to call it Scientology on Scientology crime. A lot of these crimes are either the Scientology organization itself or individual Scientologists that are making lots of money and they're giving a lot of that money to Scientology. So they kind of get clearance from the tower to do whatever they're doing, even if it's not on the up and up. But I figured we'd just go through them. And there's a whole bunch of them, but I'd like to get at least three or four of them we could talk about, and we were both there for a lot of these. But at least to start, scientologists are given, they're presented a bridge and it's called what do they call it? The grade chart.

Speaker 2: 8:04

The grade chart or the bridge to total freedom?

Speaker 1: 8:07

Yeah, and the grade chart. On one side of the grade chart it has all of the training that you would do to become an auditor, or what they call an auditor in Scientology. It's like a counselor a Scientology counselor, someone who audits other people in Scientology and they have all these different levels of auditing that you can do and all of them cost vast amounts of money. To get to about a quarter of the way up the bridge, where clear is, can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to get to that point and then to get to the OT levels.

Speaker 1: 8:38

It could be hundreds of thousands more, or even millions levels. It could be hundreds of thousands more or even millions, depending on how you do it.

Speaker 2: 8:46

Yeah because the cost of those services and those courses does not include your membership, your required membership in the International Association of Scientologists? Well, yeah, but that's not that much. That's like $50,000 there. Well, yeah, to get approved for the upper levels, you have to show that you're a contributing member of Scientology and that you're doing good things and donating lots of money and you know you're in good standing and all this. So you have to present all of that to be approved to even read those upper level materials and do those levels to even read those upper level materials and do those levels, yeah, and.

Speaker 1: 9:30

But but besides all that, they have these levels that are listed, but several of those levels do not exist and will likely never exist. They have on on the counseling side. They have after you do, after you become clear and you get rid of your reactive mind with all the bad engrams. Well then, when you get onto the operating fate and levels, or OT levels as they call it in Scientology, you find out you've got all these space cooties and they're the real reason that you're having all these problems. It wasn't the engrams. The engrams are just kind of like that's the starter, that's the starter story. And then, as you get further up in Scientology, you find out the space cooties are number one problem. Okay, and then you devote all of these OT levels to dealing with the space cooties. And then it goes up to OT level eight and that's where it stopped. That's the only one that Hubbard wrote up to.

Speaker 2: 10:24

Well, so the diagram of the Bridge to Total Freedom shows up to OT 15.

Speaker 1: 10:31

Yes.

Speaker 2: 10:32

But of course from OT 8,. Ot 8 is as far as you can go.

Speaker 1: 10:37

Well, that's because Hubbard died after he got up to OT 8. And that's the only thing that he'd written.

Speaker 2: 10:43

Yeah, which, by the way, that in and of itself proves that Scientology will never change, because he didn't write those levels. And here we are, so he died in 1986.

Speaker 1: 10:55

Yeah, but to be fair, he did write the bridge to total freedom and he wrote up to OT15 on the chart, correct? He was like this is my plan, this is the roadmap. Well, he stopped writing maps at eight. So, from OT nine through 15, those are never coming out Right.

Speaker 1: 11:16

And David Miscavige and this is the scam part of it, besides everything else about Scientology. But this is for people, this is for Scientologists that are watching. They're like why is it a scam? And you say, okay, well, first of all, you're being sold this whole entire thing, but only half of it exists. So you're paying to play this game, but the game is never going to go past OTA. So it's a false promise to them that they're going to get to this. And whenever a Scientologist is doing these OT levels and they're disappointed and they're like, hey, how come I'm not getting all my special powers, it's always like, well, you got to, you got to the levels, are the levels? You got to keep going. Powers it's always like, well, you got to, you got to the levels, are the levels, you got to keep going. And as you get to the higher levels, then you'll become more of an operating Thetan, and an operating Thetan in Scientology is defined as someone who is cause over matter, energy, space and time.

Speaker 2: 12:17

Yeah, and let's not forget, they also have the non-interference zone, meaning when someone attains a state of clear and then is going on to the OT levels, they have to pound, pound, pound, get them onto the next level, otherwise bad things will happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:34

They have this by now in Scientology, once you become clear and you've gotten rid of all your engrams, you're susceptible, very susceptible, to bad things happening to you now that you've gotten rid of the engrams. The whole thing up until this point is once you get rid of your engrams, you're going to be powerful. And then, as soon as you get rid of the engrams, they say, uh, hey, take a, take a, take a beat here, because now you're in the most vulnerable position you've ever been in. You got to get onto your OT levels right away, Yep. And then you do the OT levels and then you start getting rid of space cooties and every time somebody says, hey, I'm not feeling it, I don't know where all the powers are at, but they ain't coming to me. And then they say, oh, it's the next level. And then you do the next level and you're like, eh, still not getting any of those OT powers. And then they have people that are on ot8 and their people been on ot8.

Speaker 1: 13:25

Ot8 was released in the 80s, late 80s I think, 88, 89, 90, early I think it was actually yeah, 88 in 1988, that's when the free winds had been 88, because that's when the free winds set sail, that maiden voyage, and that's when they released ot8. Right, you can only do operating level eight on a cruise ship that is either in aruba, curacao or bonaire um affectionately referred to by the seer members and scientologists as the abcs aruba, bonaire, curacao, um and you could only, uh, do OT8 at the free winds, and I think also it has to be out to sea. I think that's one of the things when they do the courses and everything is when it's out to sea. I could be wrong about that, but the funny thing is is there was a while where the free winds had all this asbestos on it. It still has asbestos on it, but they were covering it with other stuff so that asbestos couldn't get out Space cooties are a big problem, but cancer causing asbestos?

Speaker 1: 14:36

no sweat, um, so they? Um, it was a dry dock, yep, and up until this point, ota had to be delivered on the free winds because that was the only safe place. And then, as soon as it was in dry dock, they're like oh, we're just going to deliver the OTA levels at flag. You can do OTA at flag. It's like what happened to the whole, like we got to be out in the sea and we got to be in international waters because there's no. It's like no, that's all out the window as soon as they need to make some money.

Speaker 2: 14:59

Yep.

Speaker 1: 15:00

But regardless of that, Hubbard died in 1986.

Speaker 2: 15:05

Yep.

Speaker 1: 15:06

And in 1986, they'd only released up to OT7.

Speaker 2: 15:09

Yep.

Speaker 1: 15:10

And after he died, people started freaking out. What about the OT levels? Da-da-da-da-da-da. And David Miscavige was like well, we got to get at least OT8 out.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 15:22

Because otherwise people are going to jump ship Right, get at least OT8 out, because otherwise people are going to jump ship Right. And then he let the OT8 out and then all the people that had done OT7, which was like a few thousand people that were at that level then were able to do OT8. Right. And then there was basically this idea that they weren't going to release any more OT levels until all organizations in Scientology had reached the size of the original organization that Hubbard had made in England called St Hill. And so what they would say is we're not going to release these new OT levels until all orgs go St Hill size. And for years, probably a decade or two, that was the rule. When all the orgs become St Hill size, they're going to release the rest of these OT levels.

Speaker 1: 16:16

And the organizations were reaching St Hill size. They weren't really, but Scientology was telling the members that they were. They would pad the statistics and they'd game the system and they'd make this organization St Hill size. And then it would. It would predictably, and every single time they would do it, it would be empty. A year later There'd be nobody there after it went St Hill size?

Speaker 2: 16:38

Yeah, there were. There were some pictures that Tony Ortega posted on his blog recently of the current staff in various different organizations and it was shocking to see how few staff there are in 2025. I mean, it's not shocking but it is.

Speaker 1: 16:53

And we're going to cover that, as one of the scams that we're going to cover is this outer org trainee thing that they do in Scientology, which is just another scam that Scientology runs on its members and even its organizations, but midway through the system of all orgs going St Hill size, they changed it.

Speaker 2: 17:13

Right.

Speaker 1: 17:14

And it wasn't that anymore.

Speaker 2: 17:16

By they meaning David, Miscavige David.

Speaker 1: 17:18

Miscavige, he changed the rules. And David Miscavige is the expert of moving the goalposts. Okay, whenever Scientology are getting close to scoring a goal, he moves those goalposts because he knows he's got to release these OT levels that don't exist.

Speaker 2: 17:36

Yep.

Speaker 1: 17:37

He's either going to have to make something up or he's going to have to tell everybody hey, the old dude died after he wrote OT8 and that was the end of it. And we even kind of had to fudge the OT8 thing because he didn't even really write that. We just took a bunch of stuff he did and we made that OT8. And then we haven't been able to come up with anything for these other OT levels and there's a bunch of rumors and Dave Miscavige we worked with Dave for many years, with Dave for many years, and he would tell stories to us about how L Ron Hubbard told Ray Midoff a bunch of these OT levels at least.

Speaker 2: 18:12

OT 9 and 10. Yeah, and Ray Midoff was the highest technical person that oversaw all of the Scientology courses and training of every Scientologist the world over.

Speaker 1: 18:25

Yeah, at the time, his post title, his job title, was the Senior Case Supervisor International and that person is responsible for all Scientology training and counseling in the world. And so when he was on that job, hubbard told him what OT 9 and 10 were, according to David Miscavige and then Ray Midoff being this ultimate person who was very smart and could remember things because he was an OT and all these other things. He forgot everything. Hubbard told him he didn't write it down.

Speaker 2: 19:01

Yeah, probably because his brother had left and was an SP.

Speaker 1: 19:06

Yeah, anyway, ray Midoff's brother.

Speaker 2: 19:08

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 19:10

Which is that's a whole nother story anyway, but either way, there's no, no OT nine and 10 and whatever. Hubbard told Ray that it was. It's gone forever. Yep, and David Miscavige has been yelling, had been yelling at Ray Midoff about that for many, many years while we were there. It would come up in meetings Like he would ask Ray something and then Ray would say yes, absolutely, sir. No, yes, sir, no, sir, three bags full, sir. And then David would be like just like you forgot no, t9 and 10. And he'd be like and everybody, and there's a lot scammy that they do in scientology, that's, that's to all scientologists. Yeah, they lie to all of them.

Speaker 1: 19:59

Whenever these orgs become, oh, the, the new thing is they have to become ideal orgs, which means they have to have this giant building and they have to have all these people and they have to dress up like the guys that park cars, like the valet guys or the you know whatever. And then, when that happens, they're going to release these remaining OT levels. I hate to break it to you guys. If you're waiting for new OT levels, they ain't coming. And if they do come, they weren't written by Hubbard. They probably have a lot to do with more space cooties and the space cooties have evolved. Who knows what's going to be on these other OT levels, but regardless.

Speaker 2: 20:37

Speaking of space cooties, by the way, some I saw somebody asked did they actually call them cooties? Space, space cooties, or are you just having fun?

Speaker 1: 20:44

They call them body thetans. That's what they're actually called, and there's tens of thousands of them on you right now. Everybody has them. You can't get away from them.

Speaker 2: 20:53

There's billions, no, no.

Speaker 1: 20:55

This is per Scientology.

Speaker 2: 20:57

Right.

Speaker 1: 20:58

Billions and billions of these body thetans. I think Tony Ortega is actually the one who kind of coined the term space cooties. Oh, okay, that is the best accurate description of them. Yeah, space cooties, body thetans, doesn't mean anything to anybody, true? If you walk up to these saying you got body thetans, they go. What are you talking about? If you say space cooties, they know what you're talking about, right?

Speaker 2: 21:19

Yep, so we're going to stick with space coot, space Scientology does a lot of that with the language, by the way. They just blur things with their own special use of language, which serves to isolate their members and make it very difficult for a person who knows nothing to understand what on earth they're talking about.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Yeah, and because Claire and I we grew up in Scientology and we worked at the international headquarters. I worked there for 15 years, claire worked there for 13 years. She worked directly with David Miscavige. I worked directly with David Miscavige, we've been privy and we've been in a whole bunch of meetings where they've talked about all of this.

Speaker 1: 21:59

It's not a secret at the international headquarters that there are no OT levels. That's not a secret. It's widely known amongst people. Ray Midoff forgot about what Hubbard told him on OT 9 and 10, and there is nothing past that that even remotely exists. And there was a lot of power struggles in the 80s after Hubbard died to figure out who had these OT levels. And after exhaustive investigations and going through anybody and everybody, david Miscavige essentially found out they don't exist. No one has them and they don't exist. And the only person who possibly may have them is a guy named Pat Broker. And this makes a lot of sense when you think about it, because Hubbard spent over no Hubbard. David Miscavige spent tens and tens of millions of dollars paying private investigators to watch Pat Broker. Up until a few years ago he was still being watched and he left in 1986.

Speaker 1: 23:02

He left right after Hubbard died Him and he was supposed to take over per Pat, and Pat was the one with L Ron Hubbard when he died. And so David Miscavige thought we got to play this right. And Pat basically said if you take me out, then you're going to lose your OT levels. Okay, well, pat Broker was the one with L Ron Hubbard when he died, and so if anybody was going to know about where these OT levels were, it would have been Pat, and Pat knew that. So that's why he said I got these OT levels. He didn't have them, and if he did have them, he still has them and Dave don't. So either way, best case, you get OT 9 and 10, which are going to be whatever, who knows. But Miscavige has been playing the long game on this. This has been going on since the 1980s, so basically 40 years Hubbard's been dead. David Miscavige has now been running Scientology longer than Hubbard was Right and there's still no new OT levels.

Speaker 1: 24:02

Hubbard was the one writing everything and creating all of this nonsense and he died. So he stopped creating nonsense and every once in a while Scientology plays this game like oh, we were going through some things, some original writings, and we stumbled upon something. They went through everything that Hubbard wrote within a few years after Hubbard writing it. They went through everything that Hubbard wrote within a few years after Hubbard writing it, and every once in a while they'd stumble on a manuscript that was altered or something. And then they would be like oh, we had a big discovery. They ain't had any big discoveries. They couch them as big discoveries. When they need to come up with something, they stumble upon some original writings.

Speaker 2: 24:43

Yep.

Speaker 1: 24:44

They haven't stumbled upon anything, guys. That's all just PR for the members. So they think why didn't they come out with this 10 years ago, Right, and be like we didn't know about it? No, they've known about it all.

Speaker 2: 24:54

Yep.

Speaker 1: 24:55

Okay. So that's the first kind of major thing. That's Scientology on Scientology crime. It's Scientology on Scientology crap, where Scientologist is clearly, obviously, deceiving every Scientologist Correct. Simultaneously, nonstop, they're selling them all these bull stories. Nothing ever is going to come of these things, right. Okay, another thing that they do in Scientology and this ties into this all this nonsense that's going down in Clearwater right now. Right down in Clearwater, scientology has a very large cluster. Let's call it a cluster. I like that. That's a good word cluster. There's a cluster in the OT levels, hubbard. When you get a whole bunch of space cooties together, it's called a cluster. Anyway, they have a cluster of buildings down in Clearwater and they've been buying up more and more.

Speaker 2: 25:54

I think they own like 200 or more properties in Clearwater right now Significant real estate holdings. Tracy McManus a few years ago did a really good article kind of documenting all of that.

Speaker 1: 26:04

Yeah, and in this recent development, scientology is trying to build a big hole in downtown Clearwater and it's called the L Ron Hubbard Hall. Now, when we were there, they were talking about building this and this is in the or in the two thousands. They were talking about this and they had a design and they wanted to do all these different things and they were raising money for it. They've still been raised. They've been raising money for this thing for 20 years, right? So the fact that they haven't built it, it's no sweat off their back to not build it, because when it's built you can't raise money for it anymore. Right, because it's already done, been built.

Speaker 2: 26:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:43

So they're always like, hey, we want to do this and we want to do this and we want to. And even when they were building the building where that's there that is finally built, now called the Flag Building, or this new building, which is a giant building across the street from the Flag Auditorium, or what they call the Fort Harrison Hotel, and this building had the cross on it and they were telling Scientologists, if you give us $50,000, you will be the one who built the cross.

Speaker 1: 27:12

Scientologists if you give us, you know, $50,000, you will be the one who built the cross and weren't they also doing cornerstone bricks or something like that. Yeah, like for the superpower building Sure, but there's multiple bricks Right the things with the crosses, there's only one.

Speaker 2: 27:24

Yes.

Speaker 1: 27:25

And, according to a lawsuit that was filed against Scientology, there were multiple Scientologists that were told if you pay 50,000, the cross will be paid for by you. Well, there was like 10 families who paid for the cross and they all thought they were the ones that paid for the cross. Well, they've been doing that kind of stuff forever. So there might be an L Ron Hubbard Hall. They might be selling a seat for $10,000. This will be your seat. It'll have your thing on it.

Speaker 1: 27:53

Or I can just imagine the endless amounts of scams that they've been running on the hall and they've raised all this money and the money's just sitting there, right, and it's gaining, it's making money. The money's making money, yep. So not building it. Scientology will not build this thing for 20 years, right, because they're just getting, they're raising more money and they're making money off the money they've already raised, which, I guarantee you, is in the millions and millions of dollars. There was a gal named Lori Webster who was one of the big fundraisers for things that would happen in Florida, for things that would happen in Florida, and I guarantee you that somewhere she's told somebody how much they've raised or how much they need to raise, or something like that. So if anybody's heard about that or knows anything about that, bleep, bloop that in the comments and we'll maybe we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2: 28:45

But when we were talking about this yesterday too, we were also talking about part of the primary. Well, an equally important purpose of attaining all that real estate is to push anyone not in Scientology out of Clearwater. That is part of the purpose as well. Totally They've done this many times in many different locations, and we know this.

Speaker 1: 29:09

Yeah, they build this thing and and somebody says she still is Lori Webster still doing it. I don't doubt it, anyway, but yeah, so like they'll build, they built a park. It used to be a Checkers. I think we talked about this in a recent video, but there was a restaurant which, down in the South, they have these fast food restaurants called Checkers, and they had a Checkers that was right near David Miscavige's office on Fort Harrison Boulevard and he hated that there were all these people out there and they were a stone's throw from his office windows.

Speaker 1: 29:45

And so if he's yelling and screaming at somebody, it's a possibility that some young folks enjoying some crispy crinkle fries would overhear him in his loud voice screaming and yelling at his young female SeaWorld members and they might take offense to this. So the checkers, I think, closed and then Scientology bought the property and then they demolished everything and they turned it into a park and they said this is going to be a park for everybody property.

Speaker 1: 30:12

And then they demolished everything and they turned it into a park and they said this is going to be a park for everybody. And then, and then, as soon as some some people showed up that they didn't like, it suddenly was a park for everybody, except for these guys. Yeah, that was mark bunker and leah and mike and it's like hey, you guys can't be here because this is all. This is a scientology property. Be like it says everybody's welcome.

Speaker 2: 30:28

Well, not you yeah, that, of course, was a one of the episodes of I can't remember which season, but Leah Remini's Scientology in the Aftermath.

Speaker 1: 30:36

Oh yeah, they covered that in there. It went in a show.

Speaker 2: 30:38

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:40

Okay, and they did this with the Fort Harrison. They said we're going to do this, all this stuff, at the Fort Harrison Hotel and we're going to open the ballroom and we'll use the auditorium and people can pay and use our property for whatever they want, Right, and then they pick the nonprofits that get to do their thing there. And if you're a nonprofit and you want to do a thing there and you got maybe some people there that are talking about space goodies, well your nonprofit will not be able to get on the schedule because it's already booked. So it's everybody until it's not everybody and that's how Scientology always plays it From the very beginning.

Speaker 2: 31:21

I mean, they start off with we accept people of all religions. No, they don't. What's true for you is what's true. No, it's not. I mean we could go on and on true?

Speaker 1: 31:34

uh, no, it's not. Yeah, I mean, we could go on and on. Well, we had a. We had at the international headquarters, which was located 19625 highway 79, gilman, hot springs, california. In case anybody's wanted to know where it is, or google that 19625 highway 79, gilman hot springs, california. Um, there was 92583. Was this zip code?

Speaker 2: 31:51

I think so, 92583 if you really a zip code, I think so.

Speaker 1: 31:52

92583. If you really want to really get into the gritty there, Not that we ever used that address.

Speaker 2: 31:58

We were not allowed to give that address to anybody because it's a confidential location. So not even our parents were allowed to know where we worked, which is why, for me, my mother and stepfather had to sign over guardianship of me when I was 16 years old to a woman who worked at that property who I had never met.

Speaker 1: 32:19

And who? Who was that? Whose husband was that, uh, the person your guardian, whose husband? Who were their husband?

Speaker 2: 32:27

I don't know, it was Leo Adam.

Speaker 1: 32:29

Oh, I thought Gelda was your like keeper.

Speaker 2: 32:32

Oh, yeah, no, she was. She was more like just keeping an eye on me, but she wasn't officially my guardian gelda midoff, which was ray midoff's wife, was claire's sort of like guardian angel yes okay well, if you, I wouldn't really call it that well she told you not to date somebody at a certain point she did that wasn't me but with somebody else.

Speaker 1: 32:51

Anyway, um, which thanks for getting us way off track. But either way, um at the property yeah, that we worked at yep they had a clipper ship.

Speaker 1: 33:05

This is the craziest thing. It's the desert, first of all. Gilman hot springs is in the middle of the desert for some reason. Hubbard wanted a clipper. Springs is in the middle of the desert For some reason. Hubbard wanted a clipper ship built in the middle of the desert, a full functioning clipper ship from the deck up and it had masts and sails and he definitely had a lot of Navy oriented fixations.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 33:28

Something happened to him in the Navy that kind of stuck in his brain for life I can't remember.

Speaker 2: 33:34

Somebody emailed us recently about something. Anyway, I'll have to add it to our notes for another time, because it kind of blew my mind. Oh, I know what it was the Navy organizing chart.

Speaker 1: 33:46

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:47

And it's identical to a Scientological organizing chart that Hubbard developed.

Speaker 1: 33:54

Yeah, newsflash. Hubbard ripped off all of his organization tech that has anything to do with the Navy. They have that in the Sea Organization and he couldn't call it the Navy. He couldn't call it the Scientology Navy, so he called it the Sea Organization. Right, yes, anyway, okay, but they had this clipper ship.

Speaker 1: 34:12

And when they were building the clipper ship, the town was like, why are you building the clipper ship? And it's like oh, this is going to be for events for you guys. We're going to have events for you guys on this ship. And they said that. And then they didn't have any events for guys on that ship. And then every once in a while, dave would say, hey, let's have an event, let's have a mixer or something and you guys can have it on the Clipper ship. And then they'd put this event on for the public. And of course their public came, and so did the SPS, and they filmed and they talked to people. And then Dave said no more, no more events on the Clipper ship.

Speaker 1: 34:47

They had a golf course that they bought and they said they said Scientology, why you guys need a golf course. I said, oh, this is for you guys. We're building this for this, for the city. We're building this for the people, we're building this for you, it's not for us, it's for you, we'll use it, but you use it too. And then they said, no, we can't do that, no more. And then so there were periods, went back and forth and the golf course went into disrepair and then they spent a lot of money. And so we've seen this a million times where they're like oh, we're building this for you, for the city, and then, as soon as the city starts getting a little yippy, a little, a little yip-yap, scientology gives them a little bit of slip slap. They say Nope, you don't get to use no more.

Speaker 1: 35:31

I think if the Clearwater, if this ever comes up again, scientology withdrew their thing where they wanted to get this street. If you want to know all about this, you go to Tony Ortega's blog. It's an excruciating detail on there. But they withdrew their bid to get this private street, to build this Elrond Hubbard Hall, because the city was essentially going to deny it. So, to avert the embarrassment of being denied, they withdrew it. So they couldn't deny it. But if I was going to give Clearwater some advice, scientology has promised to develop the entire downtown area and revitalize it. I would say, once they do all of that, and it's done and the revitalization has occurred, then maybe you can talk about what Scientology could do, because I don't think they're going to revitalize anything. I don't think they're going to help the city at all. They basically have sucked the life out of downtown Clearwater.

Speaker 2: 36:34

Completely, and that's a really good point. Somebody could go through and document every promise that they've made to the city of Clearwater and go okay what happened with this? What happened with this? What happened?

Speaker 1: 36:46

with this. When we were Sea Org members and we traveled to Florida, we were told under no uncertain terms you are not allowed to frequent the local businesses, You're not allowed to spend money in those businesses, unless they were owned by Scientology. Unless they were Scientology owned and approved, Because even the one-stop shop which is owned by one of their kind of OSA henchmen that does-.

Speaker 2: 37:11

Wasn't it owned by Paris, or no, yeah, paris Morphopolis, who, by the way, we in an episode a few weeks ago we talked about a new round of attacks Scientology has been making against Mark and I personally, for our business. And he's one of the and who's one of the signers on that letter? None other than Paris Morphopolis.

Speaker 1: 37:29

Don't remind me to tell you about some Stanley getting telling.

Speaker 2: 37:33

Yes.

Speaker 1: 37:33

Paris, morphopolis. Don't remind me to tell you about some Stanley Intel. Yes, because it's very key, okay, but even then we weren't even allowed to stop at the. We weren't allowed, as Sea Org members, to even shop at the one-stop shop for a little while. Right and it, and basically what we were told is you're supporting non-Sea Org Scientology things. So all of the thousands of Sea Org members which this is the next thing we're going to get into, they are shopping. They're getting paid. Well, first of all, they're getting paid $50 a week, if that.

Speaker 2: 38:03

Well, I think it's increased recently, according to Catherine Olson.

Speaker 1: 38:07

But I was also told it went back down. Oh, okay, so I'm sticking with the 50 until somebody gives me a pay stub that says something more Fair enough. When we were there, we were getting paid $46 and 26 cents, that's $50 after you take out the taxes. But they were spending that money in Scientology snack bars and Scientology facilities where they would buy dish soap or not dish soap, but laundry soap or deodorant.

Speaker 2: 38:33

They called the canteen, which is also dictated by Hubbard policy that it's supposed to be a completely isolated system, Like no Sea Org member should ever need to go anywhere other than within Scientology.

Speaker 1: 38:48

So essentially, scientology is getting these guys from many nations. By the way, there's a lot of Hungarians, ukrainians, russians, there's a lot of foreign nationals that work in Clearwater because they're getting three hots and a cot and all they have to do is just do whatever Scientology tells them, for 120 hours a week, and they get their money and they get the three hots and a cot, but the way they do it is even that 50 bucks. It's coming right back into the organization. So it's a very tight ecosystem within Scientology. Not a lot of that money is escaping from Scientology. So when Scientology says we're going to build something and we have thousands of members that are going to frequent these businesses, it's like you're not going to buy. You're not going to go to a pizza restaurant and spend your entire paycheck on four slices of pizza.

Speaker 2: 39:40

That's not a likely scenario. That is not. Yeah, that's just not how it works.

Speaker 1: 39:46

Anyway. So here's another thing Scientology for years has been telling all of their Scientology members. We've gone through all Hubbard's writings and we have a breakthrough technology that's going to blow Scientology wide open. It's going to be insane. Everyone's going to be a Scientologist two years from now. The entire world's going to be a Scientologist once they get a hold of this new technology we've come up with and this has been happening since the 80s as well.

Speaker 2: 40:21

Yeah, completely.

Speaker 1: 40:22

And what they do, though, is they come up with this thing. Let's just say there's a course in Scientology that was called the Key to Life course, and Claire was a key to life course administrator. She delivered the course to people. That's how she actually got into the Sea Org. One of the ways but either way, they have to train all these people on how to do this key to life course. They have to train the Sea Org members on how to do the course and then how to deliver the course to Scientologists.

Speaker 2: 40:52

Yeah, like the, it's the Scientology equivalent of a teacher. Basically, you have to, but in order to get another person through that course, you have to have done it yourself, which is not the case with all Scientology courses, but it was specific to the key to life course that you had to have done it yourself.

Speaker 1: 41:10

Yeah, so so the the system that they have is they have to train all these people, but they have to train them from all over the world, because when the when the course is released in Scientology, it's going to go out to all of the orgs in Scientology. So somehow they have to train hundreds and hundreds of people on how to deliver this course. And so what they do is they say hey, listen, you Scientology organization in Keokuk, you got to send six people to Florida. Right now they may only have eight people that work in the organization and you can't deliver this course with four people, with two. It's got to be six or more, or whatever the amount is for the different thing they're doing. So they say you got to send six people.

Speaker 2: 41:58

And, by the way, we should note as well that the first time this was done, where the staff from Outer Orcs were sent to flag specifically, was in 1996, at the orders of David Miscavige, because before that they were supposed to be sent to Los Angeles.

Speaker 1: 42:16

They went to the international training organization. That's right.

Speaker 2: 42:19

Exactly which is a key, a key piece to discuss because it relates to the amount of humans in the flag location.

Speaker 1: 42:28

So you're right and that is a key part of this story, because in 1996, so you're right and that is a key part of this story, because in 1996, the way david miscavige and all, by the way, I'm saying a lot of this stuff is the information that we have from working at the international headquarters. But this is how david miscavige is telling us this, how that this is how this works. Like if you are working at golden era productions and you're making films and videos, you don't't know how FLAG works and how the outer work trainee thing works. You don't know any of that because you're little cubicle, you're little silos over here.

Speaker 2: 42:59

Yes.

Speaker 1: 42:59

You're not privy to these other silos of Scientology activities.

Speaker 2: 43:03

Correct.

Speaker 1: 43:06

FLAG, the organization in Clearwater, was making at least a million dollars a week. This was in the 1990s. It was a regular occurrence where it would make a million dollars a week. The entirety of all of the rest of Scientology organizations in the world did not make a million dollars a week. If you added them all up, they didn't total a million dollars. So the Clearwater location was the organization solely supporting international management and middle management and the Sea Org and Religious Technology Center Clearwater. That organization in Clearwater supports all of Scientology's international activities.

Speaker 1: 43:52

This is key to know because all of the other organizations they're basically just churning money and they're not making money. They're getting money and they're spending it and that's it, it's all gone. When they're done with it, there's not a lot of profit that can go to support other activities and that's why you'll see all these other organizations that never get any attention and they never get built up or they don't get a new. They don't get an L Ron Hubbard Hall. They're not getting L Ron Hubbard Halls anywhere else. The reason they're getting them in Clearwater is because that's where all the money gets made and for a long time, the people that are going to Florida and they're seeing the Clearwater facility. It's empty. There's not a lot of people there, but the people that are there are paying a lot of money to be there and that's supporting all their activities.

Speaker 1: 44:43

But they're going. Why aren't there more people here? This is the biggest facility in all of Scientology. Why aren't there more people there? And David Miscavige, this was his idea. He told us this was his idea. Instead of sending all these people that need to get trained on stuff to the international training organization, which was located in Hollywood, in Los Angeles, california, usa. Let's bring them to Florida, and then it's going to look like there's way more people here doing way more stuff, even though we told them they had to come.

Speaker 1: 45:14

And this is the crazy part If you're from Keokuk and you send those six people to Florida, you got to pay for them. It's not free to train these people on how to do this new revolutionary technology that's going to blow Scientology wide open. No, it costs thousands of dollars a week and guess what? Most of these organizations they can't afford to pay these people. They can't afford to pay Florida to house their Sea Org members and to feed them and to do all this, or their staff members that they're sending.

Speaker 1: 45:46

So what Scientology does, what Flag does, is they say well, you can work part of the day and then you can study the other part of the day. So now, suddenly, your three-month training program is now a six to nine-month training program, because you're going to be working a bunch of the day. What are you going to be doing? You're going to be cleaning hotel rooms, you're going to be doing janitorial, you're going to be in the kitchen cooking food for paying people that are paying money to eat in Scientology restaurants, and guess what? You're going to work that off, but we're still going to bill Keokuk and they're going to owe us a ton of money.

Speaker 2: 46:23

And not only that, let's not forget of the six staff that Keokuk sent to Flag to get trained. They're going to be poaching those staff to get them to join the SEER organization nonstop the entire nine months that they're there.

Speaker 1: 46:39

Well, to be fair, if they send six people and two or three of those are flat ball bearings and they got one superstar and maybe some other hot shots in there, they're going to steal those people and they're going to. Then, when they're training them, they're going to be like and they're going to. Then, when they're training them, they're going to be like oh, this guy really gets it, he's a rock star. And they'll be like hey, bob, I don't think you're going to end up going back to Keokuk. You're going to have to stay here for life. We're going to have to get you in the Sea Org and you're going to have to just do this forever. So, and also, the people that they sent could have been the people that were making the money in Keokuk when they were there, right? So now they don't have their, their, their rock stars, right, they got sent.

Speaker 1: 47:20

The Scientology and the Sea Org are going to steal the people that they sent. They're going to make those guys work for them anyway if they can't afford it. And then they're also going to build Keokuk for the money, yep. And then maybe a year from now it never takes they say we need these guys for three months. They it never takes three months, sometimes it's a year, sometimes it could be two years. These people could be there, okay, and the reason they do that is because they then don't flag the clear water facility. They they have less overhead because they've got more work. They got more workers. They're making money off of the people. They're going to bill for them being there and it's marked up. So if it's a hundred bucks a day to feed and clothe and room and board and everything, they're charging them 250. But then all this happens. And guess what, guys? I don't know if you already know the punchline of this, but key to life came out in the late eighties, early nineties.

Speaker 2: 48:21

Yeah, early nineties, I think 1990, 1989.

Speaker 1: 48:25

Okay, it didn't blow the top the socks off of Scientology.

Speaker 2: 48:28

It sure did not.

Speaker 1: 48:29

And since the key to life, they had the golden age of tech, which happened in 1996.

Speaker 2: 48:36

Yep. Then they had golden age of knowledge.

Speaker 1: 48:38

Golden age of knowledge. That didn't blow it off the golden age of tech. Actually, if you look at a Scientology international graph, the stats started going down when Hubbard died, but they really started going down in 1996 when David Miscavige released the golden age of tech. And every time he does one of these things it just tanks all of Scientology's statistics internationally. But it's an appearance thing. He wants it to appear that this is the most bustling activity so they can get more people there, and that was another thing. Activity so they can get more people there, and that was another thing.

Speaker 1: 49:16

In an effort for more Scientologists just to be around Clearwater, he basically started telling all of these bigwigs that have been giving Scientology a few million bucks here or a few million bucks there or 10 million here, he said, listen, you gots to move to Clearwater because that's where Scientology is happening. So he's been in basically recruiting these whales and Scientology to move into the Clearwater area so that they will attract more Scientologists to move there, because they move their businesses there and they move their. Their friends want to be near them. So then all of these Richie Riches are now all living in.

Speaker 2: 49:51

And it's also, it's also where they can keep much better tabs on what those people are doing and or so even like anyone, that, for example, our families, they move them to Clearwater to to keep them under wraps, because they Scientology and OSA know full well that if our family, my mom, my sisters, your sister, your mom wake up and speak out, all hell is going to break loose.

Speaker 1: 50:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. Oh, look at this, mitch is here, hey Mitch, hey Mitch CSW. That's completed staff work in Scientology. He says it was taken from the Air Force. It was taken from the Air Force.

Speaker 2: 50:39

There you go, See, but not only the Navy was I didn't know that learn something new every day. It's crazy, I know. Here we are. I, you know, I thought, since I was the first time I ever had to write a CSW, completed staff work. I was six years old. I was told that it was something that Erwin Hubbard had created.

Speaker 1: 50:54

Yeah, that is another argument which Scientologists and other, even ex-Scientologists, will say. They'll say well, if Scientology is banned, then how can it have this good technology in it? Because Hubbard stole that from other places, so there'd be some. There's got to be some cheese in the trap. You can't have a mousetrap without cheese, right, hubbard went and he stole the cheese from other people.

Speaker 2: 51:17

He looked around.

Speaker 1: 51:18

He found some cheese. He rebranded it. He rebranded the cheese and they put it in the trap.

Speaker 2: 51:22

Yep, and, and we're not just saying that in Hubbard's personal library he had 2000 books of you know everything from psychology. He had 2,000 books of you know everything from psychology, psychiatry, navy, blah, blah, blah, on and on and on, thousands of books that, ironically, no Scientologist is allowed to read.

Speaker 1: 51:46

Yeah, anyway, another thing that they're doing in Scientology, but just in addition to all the other things we've already talked about, they do have this thing where the richy, rich Scientologists they don't want those people to poach Scientologists to work for them. So what they did is they created this thing called the WISE. It's like a WISE.

Speaker 2: 52:09

It's the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises.

Speaker 1: 52:12

It's basically like a Scientology business club, right? And if your company is a member of the WISE group, then other Scientologists know that your company is good with Scientology and if you spend money there, it's all good. The main reason for WISE was in the early days of Scientology. There were Scientologists that were also businessmen that realized hey, there's a captive audience of people here that'll do whatever I want because I'm a big, quick Scientologist and I can get them to work for me and not pay them a lot and kind of mistreat them and use them up and then just spit them out. And just, there's just an endless supply of these people that are eager to make money, to pay for Scientology stuff that I can take advantage of. And Hubbard saw this very early. A con game knows game, okay folks. So Hubbard knew hey, I'm conning all these people. I got these little guys that are trying to con some of my people, so I got to figure out a way. I got to figure out a way around this and so in order to be part of wise, you got to pay Scientology some more money and then your business.

Speaker 1: 53:22

When somebody does something wrong or there's a dispute in your businesses, you're not allowed to go to the law like the public law enforcement. Yep, you got to settle it within Scientology and so what it does is it keeps all of these Scientology businesses out of the court system and out of the real world data records and keeping and complaints and misdemeanors and fraud. That keeps them out of all that stuff and so and it also buys Scientology some time. So let's say there's let's just say there's a guy named Reed Slatkin and he has an investment firm and he's getting money from all these Scientologists and he has this investment group and Scientologists feel they get ripped off. They can go to Scientology and say, hey, reid's ripping me off. I think this is a Ponzi scheme. Well, now Scientology's got a little bit of time to figure out what's what's doing there before they get rid of any incriminating documents.

Speaker 1: 54:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:29

Make sure they the key people that need to pull their money out.

Speaker 1: 54:33

Well, that's what I was going to say and this is a huge deal because I know personally I probably know 20 different people that lost money with this guy named Reed Slatkin, who was a Scientology minister and also a fraudulent investment group head, honcho, and he basically was running a Ponzi scheme where he would get investors and then he would say you're going to make 20% or whatever on your money and then when somebody would ask for money, he'd give some of the initial investments, he'd give that to those people to then um, to then pay off people that were asking for their profits or their dividends or whatever it was. And when we were at the international headquarters I want to say this happened in the two thousands Um, they're, they're basically Scientology found out that this guy reads Latkin was running a Ponzi scheme. Well, there was a lot of high profile Scientologists, celebrities what's the guy? What's the guy in Yellowstone?

Speaker 2: 55:42

Art Linson.

Speaker 1: 55:43

No, well, yeah, art Linson, his son John, they both had money with Reed Slatkin and I think even Wings Huser, cole Hauser, the guy who played Rip on Yellowstone. His dad was a Scientologist and his mom also was a Scientologist and I think they both lost money in that, reed Slatkin, I think even Cole Hauser lost money. I'll have to look at the list again, but either way, there was a lot of people that were going to lose money. I thought I might. I'm off the look at the list again, but either way. Um, there was a lot of people that look that we're going to lose money, and even Seaward members. A lot of people don't know this, but Art Linson, who produced this Yellowstone show and tons of other shows I mean he produced the movie, he, he's been a Hollywood movie producer for decades Um, he had money with Reed Sladkin. That was actually his daughter, jenny Linson. Some of you might have known her as Jenny DeVocht. She was married to Tom DeVocht and she worked for David Miscavige at the international headquarters. Still, does.

Speaker 1: 56:43

And she still does. Well, she doesn't work for Dave, she just works there, because Dave don't go there no more.

Speaker 2: 56:48

But either way, she's probably the whole in charge.

Speaker 1: 56:51

The only reason I even know about any of this is because a bunch of people were going around and saying, hey, you got to get your money out of this. This whole thing's about to blow up. This guy's about to get lit up for being a Ponzi scheme.

Speaker 2: 57:05

Right.

Speaker 1: 57:06

And Jenny was like no way, I'm making a ton of money with this dude, I'm not giving the money up. This is how Dave told us the story. I'm making a ton of money with this dude, I'm not giving the money up. This is how Dave told us the story. He said no. Jenny said she didn't want to tell her dad or her brother about this and if it happened, it happened, but it was her money and she doesn't have to do anything. Anybody tells her blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, that's the only reason Art Linson and John Linson are on the list of getting defrauded. It was because she thought she was going to make a bunch of money and she didn't want to give it up, or whatever the story was. They didn't get their money, they didn't take their money back.

Speaker 2: 57:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 57:41

But? But there were many other people who did, and Scientology basically made a whole bunch of people whole as much as they could and they worked with whoever in the Slatkin camp to make all this happen before official charges were brought against him. And then at that point whoever was in it was in it. And I think also I want to say that Scientology because many, many millions of the money that Reed Slatkin made, he gave to Scientology, because that's how the air cover works. That's how if you're doing bad stuff and you want Scientology to be on your side, if you give them 8 million bucks, they're a little bit more amenable to maybe not getting so upset about stealing all the hundreds of millions from all their members, right, but either way, scientology did have to pay a bunch of money back to the fund to then go to people that lost money. And a large majority of the people who'd lost money I want to say maybe 50% or more were Scientologists, rich Scientologists, who were the ones that were defrauded by this Scientologist investor. And then there were other people that weren't, that were just regular Hollywood people that got in from somebody else telling them and then they lost money.

Speaker 1: 59:02

Yep, that is a Tuesday in Scientology Right. These wise organizations run rampant and basically really do screw over Scientologists and because they're a Scientology wise member, the Scientologist is the one who's going to lose If they bring up a thing against them. They're going to say oh well, you have to do this and you have to do this. It's like what about my $80,000 they stole Be like well, you know that money's gone and he went to the free wins and he did all his courses and so we've got that money and we're not giving it to you, yeah, and let's not forget, we're not even talking about the other piece where they will get Scientologists to loan money to other Scientologists so that they can do their services, and that practice has been going on for decades.

Speaker 2: 59:51

But don't forget, if anything goes sideways on that deal, no lawyers. And that practice has been going on for decades. But don't forget, if anything goes sideways on that deal, no lawyers.

Speaker 1: 59:56

And you're on the hook for the money that you lent, so yes, that's right, they do do that a lot that you, your buddy doesn't have any money but he wants to go to get on his OT levels. And so they come to you, they know you got the money. They say, hey, your buddy wants to do the OT levels. What does that mean? Yeah, so Well, you got. You want to give him 100K. Get him going.

Speaker 2: 1:00:18

Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:00:18

And we worked out this whole plan. He's got these credit cards, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. And then your buddy, of course, he finds out about the space cooties. Really, that's crazy and it's like, well, you owe me 100k. He's like no, dude, I don't know, you know money that would, you did. And now and now this guy who was trying to help his buddy out he's probably out 100k and his and him and his buddy now might have to get into it in the legal world to figure out how to get the money back. But scientology is gonna be like no, no, no, you can't, you can't go legal.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

You gotta, you gotta work this out with us yeah, and they have been perfecting their contracts, the scientology contracts, for 70 years. Yeah, each time anything goes sideways in a lawsuit, they revise their contracts to make them, uh, more reinforceable yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:01:08

So basically scientology is at the point right now with Scientology is if you get into Scientology and anything bad happens to you, they have a document that you signed that says if I get into Scientology and anything bad happens to me, it's my fault, I will not sue, I will not go to law enforcement, I will not do anything. It's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. Enforcement, I will not do anything. It's my fault. It's my fault. It's my fault. And just in case somebody didn't know, here's a document saying no matter what happens, it's my fault. That I've signed and it's notarized, and so they they're. Basically, if you get into Scientology at this point and you get screwed, it is your fault. Just it is, because that's how life works. You should know better. At this point Everybody knows the end product of being a Scientologist is being an ex-Scientologist.

Speaker 2: 1:02:02

That's how it works. The end phenomena of Scientology is getting out of Scientology and becoming a suppressive person.

Speaker 1: 1:02:09

Anyway, regardless of all that, we still do try to help these people get back on their feet and do things, but as far as many of them are stuck in and have either been born in or exactly. Some people are born into it and it's not necessarily their fault it not necessarily.

Speaker 2: 1:02:27

It's not their fault at all but.

Speaker 1: 1:02:29

but what I'm saying is in the world, in the eyes of the world, and the legal systems and everything else, and Scientology has has perfected a very specific thing, which is this dot all these documents keep you out of the court systems, keep you out of the legal system, and for a court and for a city and for a infrastructure that has to spend money to fund this legal system. It's like I've got documents here that say you're not, you don't even want to use the legal system to deal with this. You want to do this internal to Scientology called arbitration. The courts are like sounds good to us. Here you go, arbitration over to you. Here you go, arbitration over to you. Scientology sort your people out. So it really is a problem now where you have no means of recourse in Scientology.

Speaker 2: 1:03:19

If you gave them a bunch of money and I think I think I'm I'm positive that at some point In the ongoing lawsuits the court system will wake up and realize the complete fraud that Scientology arbitration factually is. It's not even something that Hubbard wrote. It's something that they've created to keep out of the law, the legal system. Like they, it wasn't the case in our lawsuit. We weren't required to go to arbitration.

Speaker 1: 1:03:50

Yeah, well, we lost though.

Speaker 2: 1:03:52

Oh yeah, I understand. So we did. But the judge did say in the final ruling had we pursued other causes of action, such as false imprisonment, assault and battery, we may have fared differently.

Speaker 1: 1:04:05

So yeah there's that too has perfected not only ways to deceive the general public and anybody who looks into Scientology, but they've figured out ways to game their members, to game their donors. To just every single level of Scientology, no matter what part you're in, there's a con going on, and whether it's Scientology, the organization or it's businesses that kind of operate on Scientology ways and means and policies and stuff like that, anyway, it's not good. We wanted to tell you about it. There's a lot of Scientologists that are watching this that they 100% are like oh yeah, that's totally true.

Speaker 1: 1:04:54

It's hard not to see it when you're in Scientology, but you don't see all different parts of it. You might only be seeing it from the lens of this one specific viewpoint and it doesn't seem that big of a deal and it's also it's not that widespread, right. But when you're at the international level of Scientology and you're hearing about different scams every week that are happening somewhere and how they're trying to cover it up, then you go like, oh my God, this is insane. Like yeah, but these guys are doing it.

Speaker 1: 1:05:25

Scientologists are robbing other Scientologists, right? Not just Scientology robbing them, but they're robbing each other, and then Scientology is robbing both of them.

Speaker 2: 1:05:36

Yeah, but then when you get out and you no longer have the control mechanisms of information control and all that and you're able to actually, for example, read Barefaced Messiah by Russell Miller or Google Scientology or, in our case, even go through Scientology deposition, you get to see the absolute dark and abusive side of Scientology full on in the face.

Speaker 1: 1:06:02

Totally. I think we should go to the comments now. I think we've talked enough. Yep, we've done enough for this week.

Speaker 2: 1:06:08

We'll answer some questions. Do some two Mike giveaway questions. Do some to Mike giveaway. We'll do two giveaways of a billion years. We have the personalized edition from Mike's service, Thanks to his beautiful wife, Christy, and it has a message from Christy, Shane and Jack on the inside front cover of the book. So that's going to be our giveaway for today.

Speaker 1: 1:06:30

Awesome. Do we do a giveaway and then do some comments? Yeah, let's do that. Giveaway Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:06:34

Okay, hopefully I've got this right here.

Speaker 1: 1:06:36

Oh, no See, I boofed the boof. Okay, I've got it. Now hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:06:41

Let me put this back here Read some comments, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:06:45

You know how this I did.

Speaker 2: 1:06:46

I didn't. Okay. Here comment stuff I gotta prep the other thing. I can't do, I can't do it all.

Speaker 1: 1:06:57

What too late. I've got it here we go. All right, miss your window? Um, okay, let's see missed your window there it is. Oh, we got 99 entries right now in the comments up, just clicked over to 100 nice okay, here we go. We're gonna do the draw 101 bus there it. I saw my name in there. I would like to win again if possible.

Speaker 2: 1:07:18

That would be funny. Don't say that, because if you win, Socky McSockface.

Speaker 1: 1:07:25

Yay, congratulations, socky McSockface. Is that an OSA avatar? Is that somebody from OSA running that one? No, that's Socky McSockface.

Speaker 2: 1:07:34

What do they call it? Socky mcsockface has been in our chat many times I know.

Speaker 1: 1:07:38

I'm just saying they have a name for it. It's called uh.

Speaker 2: 1:07:41

When you have, like a sock account sock puppet account or sock sock account I think it's sock puppet.

Speaker 1: 1:07:48

Okay, maybe I don't know. I don't know all the lingo, I don't know the lingoingo. The point is.

Speaker 2: 1:07:53

Congratulations, socky McSockface.

Speaker 1: 1:07:55

You won your win for today.

Speaker 2: 1:07:56

Thank you for joining us. Send me an email claire at blownforgoodcom with your address and I will get your prize sent off to you.

Speaker 1: 1:08:05

Okay, let's do some. This is a good one from Gretchen Philly.

Speaker 2: 1:08:10

Okay, I'm starting to think it's all about the money. Yeah, us too, gretchen. Good observation.

Speaker 1: 1:08:16

Yeah, maybe that is what it is Follow the money.

Speaker 2: 1:08:19

Follow the money.

Speaker 1: 1:08:22

Okay, here's a question.

Speaker 2: 1:08:23

Okay, coffee first always Question how come David Miscavige is never held accountable for the fact that he doesn't do auditing sessions, nor is he completing the OT levels? My answer to that is we've talked many times about the silo of information within Scientology. Very few Scientologists know that David Miscavige does not get auditing or do training or any of that, so he keeps to himself and keeps very private when he's not beating up his staff.

Speaker 1: 1:08:55

Oh, look at this, somebody's getting OT9. Local.

Speaker 2: 1:08:57

Juco, is there a hoax OT9 floating around the internet? I once had a weird account send me it, but it seemed suspicious. I can't have been the only one.

Speaker 1: 1:09:07

Hmm, interesting I haven't heard of that, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:09:10

I've seen many times people suggest oh, david Miscavige is just going to go on chat GPT and Well, Saki McSockface is saying that right now. Oh, I'm sure chat GPT can make some good OT levels Exactly. We've talked about this a few times. Be interesting, actually, I'm going to do that.

Speaker 1: 1:09:29

You know you don't have to babe, because I have. I have a project I'm working on what you want me to do right here. You know you don't have to, babe, because I have a project. I'm working on what you want me to do it right here. Yeah, I have a project I'm working on and I have already codified all of the OT levels up to OT 15. Wow, look at you and they're amazing, really, are amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:09:47

Does it require an e-meter?

Speaker 1: 1:09:50

No.

Speaker 2: 1:09:51

Really.

Speaker 1: 1:09:52

No, not at all. You don't have to do anything on my thing. It's also, it's all free.

Speaker 2: 1:09:56

It is free. That's the best part. So I'm working it into some stuff. We'll see what happens with it. Something to be said about the power of belief. So, hey, you know what? If you believe it's going to help you, then go right ahead.

Speaker 1: 1:10:15

Yeah, oh, here's a. Uh. What's this one? I don't know what it says. It says uh, jess, didn't they build a soccer field for david beckham? Well to be fair, they actually did yep um at the international headquarters where we worked. We had an okay soccer field.

Speaker 2: 1:10:24

It was like was decent they, yeah, and but even those were the upgrades they did were for the for appearances from when tom cruise and nicole kitman visited. No-transcript.

Speaker 1: 1:10:35

It was basically a field of grass that they painted some lines on. It wasn't a proper pitch. Okay, I just wanted to go. Pies, pies are number one right now. Collingwood magpies suck it.

Speaker 2: 1:10:49

Thank you to Dr.

Speaker 1: 1:10:50

X. Yeah, but yeah, they did. When he was going to come there, they tried to spiff a bunch of stuff up For Tom Cruise. They did when he was going to come there. They tried to spit a bunch of stuff up for Tom Cruise. They did the same thing. They made all these little bungalows and whenever David Miscavige has got a whale, then whatever that person likes, he's going to put that stuff there so that that person will stay there. I don't even think I have to check my sources, but I don't think David Beckham ever went to the property. I think he soured before they could get him there.

Speaker 2: 1:11:18

Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:11:20

There we go, george's General.

Speaker 2: 1:11:22

Gretchen Philly Was George's General's store in LA. Scientology owned.

Speaker 1: 1:11:26

It was owned by George and he was a Scientologist.

Speaker 2: 1:11:30

Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:11:31

And George was early on the Capitalize on Sea Org members game. Because in Scientology, and it's specifically in the Sea Org, you're required to do certain things and have certain supplies and you could never get those in the Sea Org.

Speaker 2: 1:11:47

No like, for example, what we're talking about is you had to have an exact brand of shoe polish for example. So what was it called? Oh yeah, so when you join, the C organization no, no.

Speaker 2: 1:11:58

When you join the C organization, you do the estates project force, where you're doing heavy manual labor Chinese school chanting Hubbard quotes over and over a definition of a team, things like that and you're essentially being trained and groomed into being a member of the sea organization. One of the courses that you do is called personal grooming and to complete that course you have to have the correct shoe polish and you have. There's a few other things.

Speaker 1: 1:12:26

But I got to tell you this because this is the funniest thing in the world In the policy that says that you had to use this, it's called, it was called Propert's. The policy that says that you had to use this, it's called, it was called Propert's. And it was called Propert's boot cream. And in the policy Hubbard specifically says if you're going to use polish on your Sea Org, on your boots or your shoes, you can only use Propert's. And he specifically says do not use Kiwi.

Speaker 2: 1:12:51

That's right.

Speaker 1: 1:12:52

And so so in the world of Scientology, if you were a Sea Org member, you knew you can only use Properts.

Speaker 2: 1:12:59

Well in a, in the most ironic In an uncanny turn of events, shall we say, in the most ironic of all possible scenarios, kiwi brought Properts, okay and?

Speaker 1: 1:13:11

and so it was called Kiwis, propert's boot polish. And I'm telling you, if seorg members weren't frying their brains trying to figure this one out, I don't know what it's like. Well, uh, what do we do now? And everybody was like, well, I don't know, and there was, it was like a, it was a legit problem, like how are we going to use it now? Because? Because now it's Kiwis, but it's also Propert's. I don't know what happened on that one. I wasn't polishing my boots much anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:13:39

No.

Speaker 1: 1:13:40

Or my shoes or whatever. It was. Okay, let's get back Whatever happened.

Speaker 2: 1:13:44

Back to questions.

Speaker 1: 1:13:45

Oh yeah, we did that we did this Laser focus. We did the oh spanglish sp spanglish.

Speaker 2: 1:13:52

Did muscavige cancel the key to life course? Yes, he did.

Speaker 1: 1:13:55

He released it and then canceled it that's true, he is the one who released it and he is also the one who canceled right it was going to blow the world off scientology back in the early 90s, but not so much. He's probably canceled many of the things that he's, I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:14:13

Yeah, well, pretty much every version of book he approved in the first place.

Speaker 1: 1:14:19

That's true. He's also canceled and said that's another thing. I do have to say this whenever they come up with, when they have one of these new research things they stumble upon, it's almost always Dave saying we kind of take this out of this book because it's like super not good and we're not making money, we're losing money or this is causing lawsuits or whatever it is. They'll stumble upon another manuscript for that book.

Speaker 2: 1:14:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:14:48

And they'll tweak it.

Speaker 2: 1:14:50

Guess what? We found out that Hubbard's secretary fell over when she was taking the manuscript to the printer and it got all out of sequence and we printed it that way anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:15:01

Yes, oh, my goodness, didn't Leah. This is from Mark Scientology.

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

Hey Mark, Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1: 1:15:13

Didn't Leah our work at New York George's as a teenager? No, oh, no, yeah, she did work at New York George's, which was a separate George's. There was George's General Store which was on the same street as New York George's. Yes, but New York George's was owned by a guy named another guy named george. There's a lot of georges in the scientology business. You're actually right, there are there are a lot of georges now that I think of it, yeah, that's weird too.

Speaker 1: 1:15:44

Anyway, um, yes, you know, leah did work there and this is the craziest thing ever. She used to wait on us, my mom used to we when we went to Scientology school and we lived right around the corner from where this restaurant was, new York Georgia's and, um, my mother would give rides to the one, to one or two of the kids that the the own, the owner, george, and this other guy. She would bring their kids to and from school every day and they would pay her in New York George's gift cards. Instead of giving her cash, they gave her gift cards or credit at the restaurant, and so we ate there all the time because she had all this cash from doing the carpool. And Leah waited on us many times when I was a little kid, that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 1:16:37

Not little. I mean, I was only a few years younger than she was at the time, but anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:16:41

We went there one time when I was 10. We came from England to visit and spent a week in LA and I remember going to New York, georgia, and having a really good milkshake. England cannot do milkshakes the way America does. It's just not a thing.

Speaker 1: 1:16:57

Well, you can't really make a good milkshake with powdered milk, you know.

Speaker 2: 1:17:00

Oh, come on now.

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

Anyway, that's just my little dig.

Speaker 2: 1:17:04

I love to throw them. They probably have great milkshakes now, but when I was growing up there they did not, so yeah, and New York, no-transcript perfection.

Speaker 1: 1:17:43

Um, okay, I think we should do another giveaway and we should get on out of here.

Speaker 2: 1:17:47

Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1: 1:17:49

Um, let's just look here. But but do we doba-do Ba-ba-da-ba-dee? And this one, is this the one? Oh, there it is.

Speaker 2: 1:17:57

Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:17:58

That's not it. What's going on, babe? What have you done? There we go. That's not the one either.

Speaker 2: 1:18:04

Oh hey, Shannon, Good to see you.

Speaker 1: 1:18:05

This one, that one I had a really good one for this and now it's gone, oopsies. Well, you know what happens sometimes. Whatever that's good enough Excited about the project. Yeah, okay, let's do another draw. How do we do draw again now?

Speaker 2: 1:18:22

Hmm, see, goodness me, this is where you get in.

Speaker 1: 1:18:25

We're having some issues today, folks. Oh no, there's a button right here, there it is, on the corner of the screen. Here we go, folks. The Wheel of Fun. The guitar says that.

Speaker 2: 1:18:36

I don't know the rest.

Speaker 1: 1:18:38

Oh, Slushy Beach Girl Laurie is here Archite-, architew, this Academy, archie. We don't know, guys.

Speaker 2: 1:18:47

Well congratulations, you win. Yeah congratulations, claire at blownforgoodcom, with your address. Thank you very much, thanks for joining us, yeah. Congratulations, claire at blow for goodcom with your address. Thank you very much, thanks for joining us, yay.

Speaker 1: 1:19:01

I think we did good today.

Speaker 2: 1:19:02

We did it. We did it. We went a little bit long. We went a little bit long. You predicted that was going to happen.

Speaker 1: 1:19:07

I knew because I wanted to yap. I wanted to yap and I wanted to yap about all these frauds because a lot of Scientologists they know a little bit but they don't know the breadth of it. And I guarantee you, if we did any research whatsoever for this episode, we would have come up with 30 other scams that we knew.

Speaker 2: 1:19:26

Yeah Well, even just from a couple of months ago. Through the work we do for the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation, we've helped a few different people, including elder people, who were fraudulently charged to their credit cards without their knowledge or prior consent, still just recently.

Speaker 1: 1:19:43

Yeah, this happened months ago. Guys, within the last few months, Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:19:47

So we've helped get money back for a number of people. So there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:19:51

It's still going on. I would like to make an announcement about that as well. If you have been defrauded, or Scientology opened up credit cards in your name that you didn't know about and they charged up a bunch of cards and you're saddled with the debt we know some people that if we put you in touch with those people and they send a letter to Scientology, I want to say in every single case, within a week those people were made whole. Scientology wrote them a check and just sent the money Of course it depends on the circumstances.

Speaker 1: 1:20:21

Of course.

Speaker 2: 1:20:22

But yeah, and that is why we have set up on the foundation website a report and issue where you can anonymously submit documentation and we can connect you with who you need to talk to to get help.

Speaker 1: 1:20:37

Yeah, look at Jess, jess covering for you.

Speaker 2: 1:20:40

Mark, don't forget. Wow, yeah, Good job, jess, good job.

Speaker 1: 1:20:44

Jess, you could have gone seriously bad for the ginger today if I didn't see that Now. Listen, we were talking to somebody.

Speaker 2: 1:20:52

You're the one that wrote the agenda. How is it going to go bad for me? I didn't even write. Stand on the thing. Well, listen, we were talking to somebody that wrote the agenda. How. How is it going to go bad for me?

Speaker 1: 1:20:55

I didn't even write, stand on the thing.

Speaker 2: 1:20:57

Well, that's your problem.

Speaker 1: 1:20:59

Anyway, listen, we were talking to somebody a few weeks ago and there's a hate video on my one of my hate websites. I haven't been to them, but I know it's there because people have sent it to me and it's this kid. It's this kid named Quentin Quentin Christopher. I was going to do a whole diagram of how this kid and I are connected, because his dad used to work for my stepdad and his and, to be fair, he's not a kid.

Speaker 2: 1:21:27

He's just a few years younger than us.

Speaker 1: 1:21:29

Well, yeah, but when we were at the property, he arrived there I think when he was 14 years old. He arrived at the International Headquarters when he was 14. He was tiny, yes, and he did work for me and he did piss me off on several occasions and I did yell at him and I did attempt to come after him one time, but I was in a space suit because I was shooting a space scene. I was being Jason Begay's double and they didn't want Jason to cook himself to death in a spacesuit. So they put my dumb ass in a spacesuit and I filmed all these scenes and this little QC his name was Quentin Christopher, but we called him QC.

Speaker 1: 1:22:03

Anyway, qc was being a little bitch and I tried to go after him and I was in the spacesuit, so I couldn't really run fast and I was very emote. I was basically in a spacesuit. Anyway, they turned this whole thing into like I beat this poor little kid. I never even touched this little kid, but he's the head of the stand league, I found out. He's the one who creates all the accounts. He's he's the one responsible for doing all the media, all the shorts, all that stuff at scientology media productions. He's the guy and I was like what a little weasel.

Speaker 1: 1:22:38

Yeah, when I was a shoot crew chief he did so much better than the prior shoot crew chief and I helped him out, even though when he was a little bitch sometimes I did, you know, come down on him but um, we're required to yeah, it was my job yeah but, um, when he wasn't pulling his weight, I had to be like, hey, you need to pull your weight, but regardless, um, hey, hey, qc, um his wife naomi naomi was at the ant base, yep, and he went to la to go to smp and she wasn't allowed to go, and then I think they ended up getting a divorce.

Speaker 2: 1:23:14

Wow, you know what's crazy is. Naomi went to school with Christie. Christie, mike's wife.

Speaker 1: 1:23:20

Yeah, we both did babe.

Speaker 2: 1:23:22

Okay, I went to school with Christie too. She's in my yearbook. Okay, I'm just saying, it's the small, tiny world of Scientology. That was my point.

Speaker 1: 1:23:35

Well, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:23:35

If they had millions of members, we wouldn't have known each other. But if they have 20,000, you're probably going to know. Nor would they be coming after us and trying to destroy us just for talking about our experiences.

Speaker 1: 1:23:40

I mean, come on, oh yeah, look at this. Mitch QC is in charge of all internet marketing at SMP. There you go, that's Scientology Media Productions. Thank you for that, mitch. Yeah, I just didn't know about the Quentin part, but I did the stand part. Well, I didn't know. Quentin was in the stand. That's the Quentin part.

Speaker 2: 1:23:58

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:23:58

Could be the stand part or the Quentin part.

Speaker 2: 1:24:00

Yeah, yeah, but we were saying anyway, whatever, you see what's happening here, guys, you see what's happening.

Speaker 1: 1:24:06

See what I got to deal with. It's like gingernomics here. Okay, like what am comics? Oh my good, anyway, um, yes, you see you little weasel, you? Yeah, hey, qc, get out, we'll help you. Yeah, also, um, qc, what are you doing? Okay, we have a video. This is not a joke, this is reality. We have a video. I want to say it's like 40, 50 seconds long, not even a minute, I don't think of Dave Miscavige and Tom Cruise backstage at Tom Cruise's birthday on the free wins.

Speaker 1: 1:24:41

Yep, it's getting 2,000 views, I think, a week right now, and that's because of Mission Impossible. We always see a content spike when Tom gets up to doing stuff. Spike when Tom gets up to doing stuff. But somebody sent me a screenshot of one of your videos, qc, of you talking smack about me or talking smack about my company or whatever, and they sent it to me. It had come out of a week before they sent it to me and it had 32 views. And when I see that, I kind of think like, wow, I a video of dave and tom back stage that's doing 2 000 views a week. And your video that you just made today, that you spent time on. You had this million dollar facility. It's getting 32 views a week. You see, you got to step it up.

Speaker 2: 1:25:26

I'm still gonna give you a hard time either way, or leave, and uh, you can. You can work for me, um, anyway, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1: 1:25:30

Yeah, no, but that's all right. Well, calm down beard for good, or leave and you can work for me. Anyway, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2: 1:25:34

Yeah, no, but that's all right.

Speaker 1: 1:25:37

Well, calm down. Beard for good, dan QC. Don't do beard for good like that. This beard for good thing is getting out of control. Go gingers, just for beard for good.

Speaker 2: 1:25:49

You know what's funny? Somebody commented on last week's video.

Speaker 1: 1:25:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:25:53

Because you know you positioned your head exactly. It did work.

Speaker 1: 1:25:57

And somebody was like Claire, there's a.

Speaker 2: 1:26:00

There's a hairless man in your basement.

Speaker 1: 1:26:03

Yeah, we're going to do that anyway. It's pretty funny. Um, we've decided. We decided Mark's not new name is beard for good.

Speaker 2: 1:26:10

Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1: 1:26:11

I can change, I keep the. I can still keep the initials, so it's good for me. I don't care. Beard for good. Pretty soon I could be bald for good. You don't know hey, now you don't know this, you have. You have good uh, good hair.

Speaker 2: 1:26:24

Dna or genes or whatever it's called I don't know about that.

Speaker 1: 1:26:27

We'll see what happens. Folks. Um.

Speaker 2: 1:26:30

We appreciate you guys tuning in yes, thank you for joining us this fine Sunday.

Speaker 1: 1:26:36

We like doing these videos. If you guys could give us a you know, hit the like and the subscribe and all that nonsense. That helps us. It does help us an infinitesimal amount, but it does help. It makes YouTube put the videos up for other people that wouldn't normally get them. That's the main thing we do have. I want to say, probably half our views are from non-subscribers on the channel.

Speaker 1: 1:26:58

So if and we do know that there are a lot of Scientologists that watch the channel but they can't subscribe because they think Scientology is going to figure out who subscribed to us and they're going to connect the dots, whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:27:10

Yeah, that's why we got to fight. It helps with the algorithm to like and subscribe and that way our video will cross the path of someone looking to get out.

Speaker 1: 1:27:21

Yeah, and somebody who's a tech wizard on the knows the interwebs and they find out if you like a video. I get the subscribe part. That's a little. I get it. There's a way to track that they can see who you subscribe to, but they can't tell what videos you like, can they?

Speaker 2: 1:27:36

I don't think so.

Speaker 1: 1:27:37

That would be a little extreme.

Speaker 2: 1:27:38

Come on. Oh, and, by the way, let's give a shout out to our amazing mods, clara and Catherine, who always do such an amazing job. So, yes, we appreciate you.

Speaker 1: 1:27:48

Awesome. Thanks, guys. Until next time. Until next time. I got to position myself, Not you, Claire, oh we could do you too.

Speaker 2: 1:27:55

No, we'll do it, that would be weird.

Speaker 1: 1:27:57

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