Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Scientology's Latest Attack: Uncovering Their 2025 Fair Game Tactics - Scientology Attacks - Episode #2
Twenty years after escaping Scientology's Sea Organization, we continue to experience the cult's relentless "Fair Game" policy firsthand. Last Thursday, we received a threatening email from Freedom Magazine—Scientology's propaganda arm—attempting to intimidate us over a business we closed in 2014. This intrusion marks just the latest chapter in their decades-long campaign to silence former members who speak truth about David Miscavige's abusive regime.
The email exemplifies how Scientology operates: they monitor former members indefinitely, collect information through sophisticated skip-tracing software, and deploy intimidation tactics targeting livelihoods and relationships. We've witnessed friends being shown "dossiers" about us and given ultimatums—cut ties with the Headleys or lose access to Scientologist family members. This emotional blackmail keeps many former members silent, while others like us continue documenting these harassment campaigns.
During our combined 29 years inside, we observed how Scientology transforms members into productive "machines" while isolating them within an ecosystem of control. Upon leaving, we discovered how the organization plants spies, dispatches private investigators to follow former members, and interferes with businesses to create economic hardship. Most chillingly, we've confirmed that nothing happens within the Office of Special Affairs without David Miscavige's direct approval—making him personally responsible for these ongoing tactics.
Despite their efforts to discredit and silence us, we continue speaking out because the truth matters. Their desperation reveals their vulnerability—a multi-billion dollar organization still threatened by former members simply telling their stories. If you're considering Scientology, know that your family relationships, privacy, and freedom will become leverage should you ever wish to leave. For those already trapped inside, organizations like the Aftermath Foundation offer resources and support when you're ready to escape.
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Hey guys, welcome to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good Scientology Exposed. I am joined here today by my lovely wife.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, good to be here.
Speaker 1:Today's video, we're going to do something. We just did a video similar to this a few weeks ago about Scientology coming after us and trying to mess with our personal lives and our businesses and stuff like that. So we just got an email Thursday Thursday, on Thursday and we actually got an email directly from Scientology. This is a crazy one. We'll do our normal thing where we find out where everybody's coming in from, where everybody's watching from. If you're watching this live, we are live right now so people can write in and comment. We like to read out where people are watching from. It gives a minute or two for people to uh join into the video that are just getting their notifications or whatever.
Speaker 1:So, uh, we'll go ahead and do that sounds good um, let me uh put back over to here so we can uh let cla Claire read these off here. Okay, we got a lot of happy Sundays too.
Speaker 2:Yes, mary Kay London. Hi everyone from Albuquerque. Hi Mary Kay.
Speaker 1:That's from you, that's me.
Speaker 2:Happy Sunday everybody. Happy July 4th weekend to everyone celebrating that. Karen Ortiz, happy Sunday SPs. Yes, petrina. Petrina, good evening. Mark Claire and gang from Reading, uk. Good to see you here, manon. Hello from a very rainy Fleveland. The Netherlands, netherlands represents.
Speaker 1:I really do man.
Speaker 2:Gretchen, philly. Hi all. Greetings from Philadelphia. Sherry N. Hello from Western Minnesota, poodlebone. Hello from New York City. Awesome, jennifer Harden, sunny Riverside City. Greetings from Cameron, north Carolina, nice. Sue Donofrio-Anzaldo. Hey, everyone saying hi from Central New York. Wow, new York is in the chat today. Yay, becky, big Brother fan. Hey there. Greetings from Reading, uk. Hey, becky Kelbel. Hi from Ontario. Tracy Becky Kelbel. Hi from Ontario. Tracy Howdy from Wyoming, nice. Harry Rodriguez. Hey, hey from Virginia. Apostate Alex in the house.
Speaker 2:Chief Kopoff in Turbulation Unit, uk Reporting for duty. Hi, alex, thanks for being here. Felicia Elsie, fort Myers, florida, nice. And Karen. Hello from North California, northern California, kdogdk. Hello from Copenhagen, denmark, nice. Donna. Greetings from Wisconsin. Jack Shaw, 809,. Good morning from Henderson, nevada, nice. Jess Wilco. Greetings from an unusually hot Manchester, uk, nice. Yeah, I always remember it being rainy, excited. I'm in Chicago. Love you both. Thanks for being here, ariana, and thanks for making it. Jerry Miller, hi from Omaha, the second live. Yeah, happy day, all right, trevenon. Good evening from the Netherlands. Oh, wow, look at this. Britzy 74, sa. Hi from what is that? Cold? South Africa, yeah, wow. Okay, then Gabby, I'm late. Hi everyone, everyone from texas. You're not that late, we're good, we're just getting started love food kitchen I missed that one.
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Speaker 2:Beard for good. Yep, there you go. Travis bowman, hot and humid. Cincinnati, ohio. Yeah's pretty hot here too, but just not humid. Heidi, oceanside, california, lindy. Hello from Central Ohio. Awesome, I just got my book BFG, I just love. Marty's forward, nice, yeah, right, apparently has stood the test of time.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Hanging by the pool in Grand Rapids, nice, nice, yeah Right, apparently has stood the test of time. Yep, hanging by the pool in Grand Rapids, nice, nice, awesome.
Speaker 1:Awesome guys. Thanks a lot. I think we got enough people in here that we can actually start. Usually we do it when we have a hundred people in the YouTube stream yes, watching live Then we just start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, otherwise the people on replay are like why do we have?
Speaker 1:to hear about all these people.
Speaker 2:Oh good, you know what? We appreciate everyone who's here. It's worth it.
Speaker 1:We like to do a little community thing. You know what I'm saying yes. Yeah, Thanks for joining us guys. We wouldn't do this if you guys weren't watching, If there were nobody tuned in. We'd just be like, OK, I guess it ran its course there.
Speaker 2:We can just talk over coffee upstairs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can do this on our own. We don't have to do it in front of people. So, yeah, how do I start this? So, claire and I for those of you who are new or this is the first time you're watching a video on our channel Claire and I worked in the Scientology Sea Organization. Video on our channel. Claire and I worked in the Scientology Sea Organization. I worked there from 1989 to 2005, and 15 years of that, from 1990 to 2005, was at the international headquarters where David Miscavige worked. And, claire, what were the years that you were there? You're not 92, 91.
Speaker 2:I, yeah, started in my billion year contract at the age of 16, in 1991, and escaped in January 2005. So 14 years basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when we left and we did cover a lot of this in the last video, but when we left in 2005, it didn't take more than a day for them to start messing with us, talking to our family, telling them they couldn't talk to us and declaring us suppressive persons and all this other stuff. But over the years they've been messing with our businesses and they really, really try. There is a Hubbard policy called fair game and in that, or what's the one that says, destroy them utterly?
Speaker 2:There's a whole body of policies about how to destroy the critics of Scientology, silence them utterly, destroy them utterly, do anything and everything to shut them down and, for all intents and purposes, that's what Scientology has been doing to Mark and I since the day we left, and it has sometimes it's gone in ebbs and flows, but it's been pretty consistent, I would say since 2010, at least, or thereabouts, maybe 2012, I think, is what we figured out.
Speaker 1:Well, 2012 was when they started the websites Right, and we think this is very interesting because when we were in a lawsuit with Scientology, they didn't have anything on the internet.
Speaker 1:When we were in the middle of suing them, they didn't have a single thing up on the internet. They still did things to mess with us in person, with private eyes and private investigators following us all around and harassing our clients and people that work for me, and you name it. We even have a recording of this. I think we got to dig that up and see if it's on Tony Ortega's blog. But it was even a guy that used to work for me, that also used to work at the international headquarters, and Scientology, tommy Davis, specifically dragged him in to the office of special affairs in Los Angeles and told him basically that I was uh akin to uh uh, hitler and that he, by working for me, would that's like him working for Hitler. And um, they basically told him that if he didn't quit working for me, he was my only employee, by the way, at that time it was my sole employee.
Speaker 1:I had one person working for me and it was this guy and um, and he worked at Golden Air Productions with me. Um, when I was there as well, he was on the shoot crew. Um, uh, that when I was the shoot crew chief and um, and one of the things we've done we've always done since we've got out is we try to hire as many people from the seat that left the Sea Org or left Scientology as possible to kind of hook them up, help them out until they figured out what they wanted to do.
Speaker 2:If they didn't want to do what we were doing. That because we realized that the Office of Special Affairs had an open place where they would. When somebody did successfully get out from the Sea Org, the Office of Special Affairs would put them in a job where not only were they making very little money but also they could keep a close eye on them and supervise them and keep them still under their control. And oftentimes the person had really good life skills where they could be making a way better living. But unfortunately, when you've been conditioned so many years in the C organization, making $46 a week even minimum wage seems like you're you're.
Speaker 1:it's a baller. That's a baller. That's a baller. Move making minimum wage 15 an hour. Oh my God, you can make a week's worth of pay in one day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean remember when I got my first job as a, as a waitress, I forgot to even ask how much I was making. It didn't even matter to me, I was just like I got a job yeah, she came out.
Speaker 1:We were literally job hunting for claire for about 30 minutes. 30 minutes into our job hunt, claire got a job at this uh pizza restaurant in lee summit, missouri, called the pizza shop yes, um great people great people, people.
Speaker 1:We love the family that owned that chain. They owned a bunch of franchises of that restaurant, yeah. But she goes in. It said Help Wanted outside. I drive up I say, oh, why don't you go check that out? She goes in, I don't know. 10 minutes later she comes out. 10 minutes later she goes. I got the job and I was like amazing, how much are they going to pay you? She goes oh, I didn't ask that jump.
Speaker 2:And I was like amazing.
Speaker 1:How much are they going to pay?
Speaker 2:And she goes oh, I didn't ask that, it was pretty amazing and it turned out.
Speaker 1:It was like $2.50 an hour plus tips, but actually I did really good. Oh, she slayed it, she was making, I think someday she was making five weeks of pay in one day.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Of Sea Org pay, that is yeah. Exactly, pay in one day? Yeah, sea org pay, that is yeah, um, so the other thing I did want to say and I wanted to kind of start uh, I wanted to give this as a sort of background to this, as when you're in Scientology, um, a lot of people say, what's the? There must be something good about it. There must be something, um, there must be a reason why there's people that are doing it besides all the space aliens and Xenu and the cooties and all that good stuff. And the thing I I've been trying to figure out how to articulate this for for the longest time, and I think I kind of figured it out the other day when I was listening to another podcast about cults and it was the Nixxiom thing, because there was a strange parallel between Scientology and Nixxiom, even though Nixxiom is pretty much just almost a full-fledged ripoff of Scientology.
Speaker 1:Like he kind of cherry picked things and kind of moved things around and renamed them, but it's a lot of the same nonsense that they did at Nixxiom. They do that in Scientology.
Speaker 2:Even a lot of the same language, a lot of the same concepts. It's 100% an offshoot, Totally yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, one of the things they do, and especially in the C organization, is that they beat the wimp out of you, and by wimp I mean anybody who's not willing to work 100 hours a week, every week for the rest of your life. But they grind you down until you're basically a machine, a compliant machine that will be as productive as possible, and that's my experience in the Sea Org. But I've seen a similar thing happen with paying members of Scientology. Because they don't want any slouches in Scientology, they want to get a few million bucks out of you, no matter who you are. They want to get as much money as possible out of you, and if you're just laying around watching TV and playing video games, you're most likely not going to be able to come up with that much dough to give them.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And so they want people that are going to work hard and make a lot of money so that they can get a lot of money out of you, and so one of the things they do is they, they, they make hustlers. I got to say. I really do think that I want to say, like 80% of Scientologists are hustlers. They've, they've, they're, they're trying to do anything and everything to make as much money as possible so they can give it to Scientology. And, and one of the other ways they try to do that is they try to get other successful people into Scientology that they know can make some dough or that are already making some dough, so they can get some money out of them. And I think that's one of the reasons why they concentrate.
Speaker 1:You hear about a lot of dentists and chiropractors and getting into Scientology and because that is sort of a cash machine, those businesses, if you know how to do it. So they have these doctors that come in that they're good doctors, like they're a good dentist or whatever, or, if you want to say, a good chiropractor, but they don't really know how to organize and they don't know how to hustle maybe, and so they try to. They basically try to give them ways, shortcuts if you will, or sometimes even just just practices that are very common, like promote and and offer subscription-based services and stuff like that. So they basically give them tips and tricks on how they can hustle and make some more dough.
Speaker 2:So I wouldn't. I wouldn't credit that, for I mean, you pointed out that Hubbard ripped off much of it, but to me, the biggest motivator for those people in Scientology is the control and leverage Scientology has on them. Sure, so you know their family, they've gotten their friends in, so now they they're stuck in this, this hamster wheel where they've they have to keep going, they have to keep hustling, like you said.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that that that is a good point too. Once you start in Scientology, you're not really allowed to like quit. Yeah, if you know, if you understand like you can never stop doing Scientology and remain in Scientology, they really want you to keep going and keep doing new things. And if they have somebody who did a course in 1979 and didn't do a course until you know 1983, they're being like and they call it stalled, someone who's stalled on the bridge, and then they send people out to that person's like dude, you're stalled on the bridge, we need to do people out to that person's like dude, you're stalled on the bridge, we need to do a handling on you or you need to get, get, get GTFO. That's pretty much how it goes.
Speaker 1:And the people in the C org or that are public that they're grinding and trying to make into this money-making machine or a product producing machine, or you know, in the C org getting as much busy work done as possible product producing machine, or you know, in the sea or getting as much busy work done as possible, the people that don't that, don't, that aren't pliable and that they can mold into a machine, those are some of the people that get broken.
Speaker 1:Those are the people that you find out. They, you know they had a horrible accident or they made themselves happen or a horrible accident, or they, you know they the the people that have, the people that have mental issues from what Scientology has done to them. They just kick them out when they and and we were telling we were, we, our neighbors, know all this nonsense. We were hanging out with our neighbors the other night and they were asking us about something. One of them one of our neighbors, by the way, he's in here every once in a while. He kind of gets in the comments. We don't know his username.
Speaker 1:But he says that he's in here all the time.
Speaker 2:He enjoys chatting with you guys. Yeah, he loves tuning into these videos.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we were talking with some of our neighbors and they pointed out which I never even really thought about as soon as somebody starts to have legit mental issues in Scientology almost a hundred percent of the time, from what? Scientology? The? The abuse, the mental and physical and just the abuse that they're getting from Scientology they kick them out. Right, they said get out of here, you're useless. And for somebody, for a place that claims to have the modern science of mental health, as soon as mental health is an issue, they throw you right out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, completely.
Speaker 1:It's wild Anyway, so.
Speaker 2:Scientology is a never-ending stack of contradictions. Once you actually start asking yourself honest questions, it just doesn't end.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You cannot insert logic into this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's wild, but the reason I say that is because when you leave the C organization after working 100 or more hours a week, working is not a big deal. No, a hundred or more hours a week working is not a big deal. No, it's not, it's just.
Speaker 2:especially if you're just doing a 40 hour a week job, it's sort of like and especially when you've spent the first 30 years of your life in a cult and now you're faced with having to hustle and build a life from literally nothing, that's true.
Speaker 1:So not only do they make you a hustler, but they make you a hustler that's sort of interdependent on the Scientology network and your friends and family.
Speaker 1:They try to yes, they try to kind of do that. So, that being said, when Claire and I left, we did work for other people. When we first got out, and not by coincidence, I worked for a guy, that the guy who got me the job was a Scientology spy, and Claire worked for a company. The people that got her job were that got her that job were Scientology spies.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So, and once we sort of.
Speaker 2:Not that we knew that at the time.
Speaker 1:We didn't know at all. We were just newbies out in the world. And they were like, hey, we'll pay you this much. I'm like that seems pretty decent. And then we went and worked for those people and then, after I want to say probably by the end of the first year, we both peaced out by the end of 2005,. We were like, okay, I see, we kind of started putting the pieces together and it was like, okay, we can't work for, we can't work for somebody that was in Scientology, that we don't know right, we don't, we don't trust.
Speaker 1:And then we also, and also both of these people could speak with their family that were still in Scientology, right, Even though they had left from the international headquarters, like we did, which when you're there, they tell you if you leave, you're getting declared period, Right. So the fact that there we were, these other people, they were sort of declared but they weren't declared. They were allowed to talk to their family, but they were still had to do things to get back in good standing. It was a little bit of a weird thing. And then eventually we just realized, oh, OSA is making a deal with them. If they spy for them, then they'll let them talk to their family. But in order to be able to continue to talk to their family, they have to continue to provide information to Scientology about the people that are, you know, speaking out or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I will say those experiences for me anyway, helped me to understand how OSA leverages and controls people and therefore, when someone would approach us and the you know who was a had gotten out if it didn't make sense that they were talking to us like, dude, you're talking to your mom, if you talk to us, you're going to get yourself in a world of pain. So if the pieces didn't make sense, I'd be like you know what, nice Thanks for reaching out and all that, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is always a good sort of uh yardstick for on whether or not we could trust the person. Yeah, if there's something a little pinche in the works. You're like, hey, listen, this guy's hanging out with us, but he also goes and sees his mom, who's in the sea organization, exactly goes and sees her on sunday morning for an hour.
Speaker 2:You're like and yet our, our parents, who are not in the sea or we're not allowed to talk to them. We're like, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we knew that was a good sort of barometer, for if there's a possibility of nonsense, that's a key indicator. And some people would legitimately be like if they weren't in the Sea Org, or they used to be in the Sea Org and they weren weren't any longer. Or they used to do scientology and they weren't any longer, but they were still allowed to talk to their parents, maybe because they never said anything or did anything or never spoke out.
Speaker 1:And when those people would come and we thought we did trust them and we thought we said, hey, listen, you know we like you and all and we'll hang out. But you gotta, hanging out with us is not going to be good for your situation. It's going to, it's going to escalate very quickly. And some people we told that to they were like I don't care. You know, if they do that to me, then screw them. And we do have I mean, we probably have 10, maybe five to 10 people that we know that are like that. They kind of were just like you know what your friendship is more valuable than playing this game with these guys and I never talked to my mom.
Speaker 1:Anyway, she's in the c org. I haven't seen her in 20 years and you know she sends me a card right, but nonetheless it's it.
Speaker 2:Talking about it in this context and looking like reflecting on it, it's just shitty that you know we were literally had nothing. We're starting over now, but yet we were in this big like quandary of who can we trust, who can we? Not trust who's trying to mess with us, Like already from day one.
Speaker 1:Obviously, because we are working with people who are leaving and stuff like that, but we're not hanging out with a lot of these people. They may be right to us and we say, yeah, we could help you, we can do this. We're not giving out operational information to just randos that email us. But at the same time, you always have to be second guessing, even when we would get clients, sometimes we would get people that say, oh, I'd love you to do this for me, or, you know, do this Claire's business and my business. And then, and if they, if it wasn't, if it seemed unorganic or like just out of place, like one time too good to be true.
Speaker 1:Like one time we used to have a company, um that um did some stuff with farmer's markets in Los Angeles and one time somebody came to the farmer's market and found out that I had an AV company by talking to somebody that was working the farmer's market and they wanted me to bid on a job for them. That's super weird. To go to a farmer's market to find an AV company, that's just not a. That's not a. It was very contrived, excuse me.
Speaker 2:Just, didn't, didn't make sense, it just didn't make sense.
Speaker 1:But also when I went to do that job there were definitely like red flags and of course it ended up being some sort of OSA op. Yeah, and the the funniest thing was on that job, it was a. It was a giant house in glendale this is when we were still in california. It was a giant house in the glendale, maybe silver lake area and um, and it had already been messed up by another av company, like another av company had done a bunch of the prep work and just horribly, it was just a. It was just not a good job. And then they wanted me to come in and sort of fix it. It just happened to be a sort of system that I didn't really do. I didn't program that sort of automation system for the audiovisual stuff, so I brought in a guy a Scientologist was under the radar, not wanting to do Scientology.
Speaker 2:That you'd known since you were a kid right.
Speaker 1:That I went to Scientology school with yeah, and he was like, oh yeah, I'll come take a look at it. And as soon as he showed up, the whole thing fell apart. Like they didn't answer my calls, they didn't answer emails, and I was all like, oh, I might have, like they were trying to throw me under the bus and then I put one of their own people back in there and then they were going to have to throw him under. His daughter was in the Sea Org and all this other nonsense Anyway.
Speaker 1:And then I actually ran into that guy at like a Home Depot, like years later, and he was like dude, they, my daughter, and you know it was like, and I was like dude, I get it. You know kind of shitty that. You know that. You know you got kind of, he got kind of, he probably got a little roughed up on it, but it was them and it was him and them. So I'm like, hey, you guys are still playing this game, so you got to face consequences anyway. Ok, so, and then we have done a lot of different things over the years um, different companies and stuff. Um, for the most part I've had my main one company and for the most part claire's had her main company, but we you know so and you start, so you started your company in 2006.
Speaker 2:Yeah, doing av systems. I started my bookkeeping company in 2008. After I started learning QuickBooks in 2006, february 2006, which was the same month our oldest son was born. But yeah, that has been, and we've done multiple different things over the years and and always come back to realizing that, hey, you know our two core companies, that's what we're good at, that's what we know. We should just focus on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we did a lot of other things here and there and sometimes we'd have a company that you know, we'd know somebody we were good friends with and they said, oh, you guys are so good, can we do this? And we kind of go in on something together with somebody, maybe? Yep, anyway, so that leads us to this weird thing that happened on Thursday. Yes, I want to say, in like 2013-ish, we had a lot of friends that used to be in Scientology, that left Scientology, and they were what they call power sellers or you know, for Amazon they sold they.
Speaker 1:They manufactured products and sold them on Amazon and um, I don't know if you guys know how how Amazon works, but basically if you have a really good product that people have given, uh, the that a lot of purchases have been made and there's a lot of good reviews, for then when somebody searches for you know, a yellow beanbag and you're just like the best reviewed yellow beanbag in the world, then it goes to the top of the search results and you can sell some pretty good numbers of yellow beanbags, anyway. So there's a lot of companies that started sprouting up that would it's basically like product testing. You would somebody, a seller, would hire you and say, hey, I've got these 10 products that I need to get tested and I need people, I need feedback and I need reviews on them, yep, and then they give you products and then you send them to people that do reviews for like product testing, and the reviews don't have to be good, they can be a bad review yeah, it's whatever it's.
Speaker 2:The point is to get the um to, like you said, get feedback and input on the product and then also kind of jump start if it's a good product, then great, great, then people will start talking about it and in those early days of Amazon it was very, very common. Yeah, you know, we're talking like you know, obviously.
Speaker 1:You can Google right now. You just go product testing or product reviews and there's probably, you know, 20 pages of companies that do this all over the world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway, and we should also mention, just as we're setting up this for context. We knew from our friends who were doing these. Amazon businesses that a significant number of Scientologists were also in these power selling groups.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this one of the people that we knew that went. They have these, they have conventions and meetings and Zooms and all these things that they kind of round these people up, and it costs to be in one of these groups where they share all the tips and tricks how to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like a significant amount of money. Yeah, I mean, one of our friends was grandfathered in and still I think it was like $5,000 a year and it had gone up to. I don't know, I want to was like $5,000 a year and it had gone up to I don't know. I want to say 40 to 50,000 a year just to be in this power selling group.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a lot. Anyway, there was one guy. She went to one of these conventions and there was one guy that used to work at the base Shout out to Kenny Davies who was getting blowies on the bus, and that's why he got kicked off the base.
Speaker 1:Anyway, he was in one of these big groups and he was at one of these conventions and it was like what?
Speaker 1:Anyway, we just thought that was funny, but regardless, one of our Amazon friends said, hey, this would be a great business and it's not a lot of work, and it might be a great thing. And so we actually had a company that did this and I want to say, maybe after six months we were just like this is a ton of work for not a lot of money. It was just not a. I mean, I guess if you did it on a huge, huge scale, it would be productive, but we were already doing really well in the companies that we had, and so it was sort of like we don't, we don't, we already have the books and the Scientology stuff and her company and my company and the kids, and that it's just like yeah, and at this time, at this time, our kids were little, yeah, so I was struggling to keep up with with my business and working with you on your business and three young children, um, so it was way too much.
Speaker 2:It was too much too much.
Speaker 1:So we stopped doing it. I want to say I can't even remember, like I had to ask Claire, did we even do any reviews for anybody, like that's how much I was involved with it. I was just like, did we even do any reviews? And Claire's like yeah, we did a few here and there and I was like, okay, but either way.
Speaker 2:Again, we're talking 2014.
Speaker 1:2014 for like a six month period, we had this company, Okay. So Claire got an email on Thursday and it and this is other another weird thing it went to Claire's personal email, which she doesn't share, and that's not a public thing. I don't think anywhere. I mean not that we know not that we know, obviously. Scientology could have gotten it from a spy who might have been a friend with us, who wrote to us and then Claire wrote back to him, and who knows?
Speaker 2:But either way, I mean they have been periodically. Osa has been sending emails to that email, like they always when they're running their hate campaigns. They used to do these email alerts like oh you should see this new article right here.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, we did used to get yeah, and so we always saved those because our attorneys advised us just document everything, date time, when it happens. So we have a very long list. Since our attorney told us that years ago, she was like just there's not much you can do, but at least keep track of it with dates and times and specifics and who did what. So I so I know they've had that email, this personal email of mine, for a very long time, but it has been a minute since they sent me anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah and okay, so let me just bring up this email then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and this was from Thursday morning.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So this past Thursday, dear Ms Headley, we are preparing an article on your LLC, Product Reviews USA LLC which appears to be an effort to deny personal liability for a business that openly traffics in paid reviews to deceive buyers and artificially inflate seller ratings, in violation of Amazon's rules of operation and Federal Trade Commission regulations. Do you have any comment you wish to make or defense you wish to offer before the article is published? Our deadline is Saturday, July 5th at 3 pm. Regards John Blosser. Investigative reporter, Freedom Magazine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, those of you who don't know what Freedom Magazine is. Freedom is Scientology's. It's a magazine and a website and basically a propaganda arm of the Office of Special Affairs basically a propaganda arm of the Office of Special Affairs. The people who run the Freedom magazine and most of their writers for the last 30 years were OSSA office, scientology, office of Special Affairs, sea Org members and the people who run Freedom are Sea Org members. Now, this John Blosser character is not a Sea Org member. I don't even think he's a Scientologist. Really. Tony Ortega did a whole article about him and there's a link to that in the description of the video. After you're done watching, if you want to, you know, find out more about this guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the article thatony did from two years ago is it's from march 23rd 2023. Meet john blosser, scientology's new shill, who is targeting graham berry. Anyway, tony does a great job of breaking down who this person is and his history, um, including that he got fired from where was it? Let let's see whatever. Either way, it's covered in the article and, yeah, he's a character who does Scientology's dirty tricks and dirty work, and so we always try to you know, shout out and say what's happening and how they're trying to get to us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's just continuing and ongoing for years.
Speaker 1:And we like to document it and now we kind of this is a great thing, because sometimes when this happens it doesn't. I don't get the emails anymore, because I have them. I basically have blocked every possible communication form that they send me and if they do get something through, I just add it to the block list. So I try to stay off their websites that hate websites about us and the and I block them. If they come at me on X or whatever, I just block them. I don't really care. But now that we have a platform where we can be like, oh, hey, guess what guys look what they did this week and we're just going to do it that way. That'll be our way of documenting it and then just making a video and then, oh, you want to find out what happened they did in, you know, july 2025. It's right here in this video, right here, and remember all the specifics and we have the email and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they and their efforts are always completely inflammatory and completely just intended to get under our skin, which is where we're like dude. John Blosser, we haven't operated this business in 2014. There's nothing illegal and, not to mention, the violations that you cite are from laws that, in terms of service from Amazon from 2024, 10 years after we operated the business.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So it is sort of funny, I mean, from the things that we've gotten, that people have said, hey, you know they did this, or they told me you did this or that. They're like, okay, we got cracker licking. That was one of my major crimes. There's a spider story. I don't know if I've told the spider story, but there's a spider story involves a giant tarantula that I had and then now we've we're adding, uh, reviewing products on Amazon. It's like, really, guys, like you're a cult of a multimillion dollar scam operation that's taking money from people and breaking up families.
Speaker 2:But this guy licks some crackers. Watch out for him. As of Thursday July 3rd, we're still 20 years later. Yeah, A problem, a thorn in the side of a billion dollar cult says everything that we need to know about the fact that we just need to keep talking about their abuses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, david Miscavige is definitely not happy with any of what we're doing, and that's another thing that I want to constantly point out to people is that the Office of Special Affairs is if Golden Era Productions was micromanaged by David Miscavige, office of Special Affairs is micro, micro micromanaged by David Miscavige. You can't do anything at OSF unless he knows about it or he said to do it, and you can't just, you know, revive a hate campaign If he, if, if you're going to do something, you got to say hey, dear sir, the Headleys are talking about our, our boy Tom, mr Risky business, and they're talking about you, mr David Miscavige, and all these other things, and I'm never going to say his name the other way, ever again. It's Miscavige. For the rest of time, unless I have a Freudian slip, anyway, you can't do anything in OSA without David Miscavige approving it or directing it.
Speaker 1:Period. It's just the Office of Special Affairs. Every time they've done something that he said not to do and it goes sideways, then he just goes in and people heads roll. If something happens or they do some stunt like this and it gets out. If he directed it and this happens we're doing a video on it right now then, um, he's like see it's working or you know whatever, but it just not working, dave, it's not working, it's not working, you guys um I don't want you to do more.
Speaker 1:I mean if, if you want you can, it's just more content for the channel, but we'd rather tell stories of crazy stuff you've been up to, dave, practice of fair game is alive and well, as directed directly and only by.
Speaker 2:how do you say it, david?
Speaker 1:miscavage, miscavage. It's easy, babe, just remember the vag part, miscavage. Um, anyway, it's easy. Uh, shout out to uh, oompa vil, the oompa vil youtube channel. I was telling you guys, oh, that's the other, I don't know if I told you this, so I was watching. I I've watched this channel a bunch of times. I think I mentioned it on last week's video, uh, or the week before, or whenever this other video came out. Um, there's a channel called oompa-ville on youtube and I've actually been watching this guy for several years. He had these little pugs that would just hang out with him when he'd do the video and if he got excited and started yelling or barking or making weird noises, the dogs would start barking.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I thought it was funny and he would mainly cover like internet and sort of like YouTube slash, internet social media scammers like Logan Paul and Jake Paul and you know whoever Bitcoin, ftx or whatever that kind of stuff. And I found it interesting. I found the content interesting. Anyway, this channel, like a month or two ago, maybe three months ago now he did this really long video. His videos are very long form and they're heavily, heavily produced and edited. He has a whole team of people that work on his content and he did a whole thing on Scientology and I was sort of like wow, that's kind of wild that he's doing that. And then I also kind of was like I don't know, we'll see how this goes. I mean, I really do. I really do think he might get some clap back from Scientology, but we'll see. He's got a few million subscribers, I think I don't remember. But he just did a video like two days ago, another video on Shelly Muscavige missing, and he quoted us like I don't know, maybe four or five times in the video of articles, or he quoted something on Tony Ortega's blog and it was covered in there. But I did think that I was like, oh, now some of these bigger YouTubes that cover scams are now. There's a lot more YouTubers that are covering Scientology now and there's a lot more content that they're not really afraid of, these old school, you know thug tactics that Scientology does.
Speaker 1:Scientology it is very much similar to like a little baby North Korea. They have these little islands where you have no freedoms. You have no. You're not allowed to judge the leader and you're not allowed to openly speak out against the leader and if you do, you end up in a re-education camp or you end up being pushed down the class system within Scientology or within the Sea Org or however it works. The Sea Org or however it works.
Speaker 1:The parallels to North Korea are astounding. If you take all the things that they do and all the things that Scientology do, you'd think that Hubbard and Miscavige were like whatever North Korea does. We need to be doing that because those people they ain't going anywhere and even the fact that they have and I didn't know this until just like a week ago they have like ultra barrier all the way around North Korea, just like they do at Scientology bases, gilman, hot Springs, all the CST properties, all the places that are remote, have these barbed wire fences that face inward, fences that face inward. So, just like North Korea, they're not trying to keep people out of North Korea, they're trying to keep people in North Korea. That's the same way.
Speaker 1:Scientology has all their sort of compound setup. They're out. Where they can do that? Obviously in the middle of Orlando or Hollywood, california. They don't have ultra barrier around on the fences, but actually they might on Hollywood Boulevard, the Holiday Inn, the Hollywood Inn Anyway, I digress, but it is interesting that there are more people covering it. So to me, I think we're just going to keep doing it. We did participate in a few different things that may or not end up on YouTube, they might end up on another platform, but that we just recently did and there's going to be- and we have a bunch scheduled coming up too, so we'll post them on the community page when they're coming out, with news and updates of where they will be.
Speaker 1:Sure, and we might even do a video on them when they come out to see how it turned out, because sometimes we do these things and then they never come out Right when they're about to get it ready and most traditional media companies and news outlets and platforms they at least contact Scientology and say hey, we're doing a story, we're doing a show on you, we're doing a program on you, we're doing 10 episodes or two episodes or a series or whatever. And then Scientology sends them these dossiers which they just got jacked up for doing that in UK.
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:Because why do you have a dossier on this person, right? Why? Why would you do that for this person that is not even part of your group anymore? Why would you have a dossier on them, right? We've been told by people who leave Scientology that maybe knew us or knew of us or used to be friends with us when we were kids or when we were in the Sea Org. And they show them when they leave and they say, hey, you can't talk to these guys. You got to read this binder on all the dirt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in fact, you reminded me one of the people that Tommy Davis and Jessica Feshback had had one of these meetings with was somebody another person that that I had started a company with. That's right, I totally. You just reminded me of that. And she and her husband were pulled in and shown this giant binder dossier I know I did too. You just literally just reminded me it was literally a um like an, a nanny business like we were going to help you know, kind of an nanny locator yeah, exactly like help moms with young kids find a nanny and be introduced or babysitter or whatever which there wasn't at the time
Speaker 1:there wasn't and now there's probably, you know, a hundred yeah, for sure, there's tons of them.
Speaker 2:This was back in 2008. This one, yeah, but yeah, no, that was they were shown a giant big binder of how we were at the time. Their latest line was that we were mr and mrs anonymous that's right, because I was going to all the anonymous protests.
Speaker 1:Claire went to like one or two.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, our kids were really little.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but regardless, we didn't work with them. They also had a lawsuit against Scientology that they dropped. They bailed out of.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And we haven't really talked to them since, but the thing that they did was both of these people were declared SPs and they could not speak with their family. And one of the people her entire family was in Scientology aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, mother, father, grandfather, grandmothers, everything they were all in Scientology, yeah, and they lived minutes from them in LA.
Speaker 2:And I think at the time even her sister was still a member of the Sea Organization and had been a steward for David, whatever his name is Miscavige. Miscavige, miscavige I'm going to have to retrain my brain now.
Speaker 1:It's not hard. It's not hard, it's easy to remember. By the way, I'm not short, shaming anybody, but my 12 year old son is two inches taller than David Miscavige.
Speaker 2:You just wanted to say that for the record he's going to be like 63.
Speaker 1:Anyway, but regardless, the deal they made with them is that they could speak with their families if and be undeclared, have no restrictions on them If they didn't talk to us, if they didn't work with us and if they would basically tell them everything they knew. Right, and then bingo, they were just undeclared.
Speaker 2:And the funniest part is oh yeah all the freeloader bill was canceled.
Speaker 1:They had a you know tens or hundreds of thousands of dollar freeloader bill. Just like everybody else who lives in the organization and and you know what, I I don't have any ill feelings towards those people. I understand how the game is played and I just don't want to play by Scientology's rules. That's all right. I don't, I don't, I don't have ill will towards you because you wanted to have contact with your family. You know that's, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Of course not.
Speaker 1:Hold on.
Speaker 2:I want to pop up this comment here because it's applicable to what we're talking about. Oh shoot, I lost it. Hold on.
Speaker 1:Okay, good job there, you can, you can.
Speaker 2:Okay, Um, you were going to anonymous protests, but you weren't anonymous. You were dressed as Mark which is exactly what we said many, many times. This was also during the years of our lawsuit. We were being deposed. We had people showing up oh, you're part of anonymous. And Mark and I were both like we've never been anonymous. Scientology has known who we are, where we live and everything about us from day one. How could we possibly be anonymous?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did play along and wear one of the Guy Fawkes masks sometimes, but a lot of times I would just show up. I mean, I'm showing up in my car, which they have PIs watching my house. They know what my car looks like, they know what my license plate is. So when I go and park on the corner of where the protest is, right next to the sign, there are times that I went to protest I parked in front of the Hollywood Guarantee Building, like in front, like there's a bus stop, and then right behind the bus stop there's a parking space. I have parked in that spot when I've gone to protest.
Speaker 1:And then I put the mask on as I get out of the car and I walk 10 steps to the front of the building. It's sort of like, yeah, I was trying to fit into the anonymous crowd, but you guys know who I am. They have pictures of me. You know, I'm not the most slender person, so this little gut of mine is pretty recognizable. And also I w I've been probably wearing the same kind of shirts and shorts for, you know, 30 years. That's my, that's my jam. Okay, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not dressing up in. What are those called those tight jeans? What are those called?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I'm not dressing up in skinny jeans and, you know, wearing tight white T-shirts.
Speaker 2:Not wearing five piece suits, or you know.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 2:Whatever?
Speaker 1:So it was funny that they call this Mr and Mrs Anonymous. I would always say I don't think they know what anonymous means.
Speaker 2:Right yeah.
Speaker 1:You can't know the person. And that was another funny thing when we were in our lawsuit and in certain depositions they'd be like do you know who Bloddy Blah is? I'd be like no. And then they'd be like what about Bloddy Blah? And they were giving all these anonymous members real names and I was like and they were all of the.
Speaker 2:It was like 20 names that they gave us. They were like we demand to see every communication you've had with this whole long list of people. And we were like who the hell are these? We have no idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, any of these. And then later on we found out, when we searched them up, we found out. I think I only found one or two people who they were. Yeah, and they were anonymous.
Speaker 2:They used to be anonymous yeah.
Speaker 1:Even that they had that list was so creepy. Well, because they would get. They would. They would scan plates and they would get, they would follow protesters home and follow them on the train. If they took the train right, they had teams of people that would literally, if they didn't, uh, integrate into the protest that they would then just follow people. And, um, that's not creepy, um, following protesters home from anonymous protests. Um, but either way, um, we didn't know who any of these people were because they were anonymous. You, mohia? Um, so that's the latest thing.
Speaker 1:We didn't respond to the email. Well, what I mean? What are they going to do? They're going to be like, oh, the headley said, uh, this, never, this is not a big deal. No, whatever, they're going to write, they're going to write. And also, somebody sent me a screenshot of a tweet they did a few weeks ago. I can't remember what it was about something I did, some horrible crime that I did Alleged, yeah, and it had 47 views and I was like I was like I was like when we don't have that many views on our videos.
Speaker 1:Sometimes we we've got a few videos that maybe have a hundred, 50,000 or 200,000 views or whatever. That's on the high end, probably for sure. But most of our videos have like five, 10,000 views. You know, maybe even let me 3000 views, and I'm just like doesn't much matter, I'm doing this in my basement.
Speaker 1:You're a multi-billion dollar organization. You've got 47 views, you guys? I mean you have long hours, but the time is not being spent efficiently. I don't know what to tell you. If I was going to do hate videos on somebody, I think I could pull a hundred views. That's double the multi-billion dollar group.
Speaker 2:More to the point is we don't do hate videos.
Speaker 1:No, we're just trying to educate, exactly. I don't want to hate on anybody.
Speaker 2:Educate and expose abuse. That's the reason we're here here and again document that still to this day, scientology continues to actively fair game us, despite the fact that we left 20 years ago and we're just getting on with our lives and talking about david miscavige's control hey, come on, miscavige come on you're gonna write me up now.
Speaker 1:Send me to cramming anyway, I gotta put this up here. I'll pop that alex micromanaging for the microman oh, there you go um again, I'm not short shaming anybody, I'm just stating the facts. He is what he is. He's 413. My son's taller than that, um I'm trying to think if there's anything else they've been doing lately to mess with us. I think the video that they sent me was about stuff I was doing when I was six, about how I was trying to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, we have heard they've been putting up all kinds of new hate videos. On the hate side.
Speaker 1:The word on the street is they're getting it's getting busy over there at OSA in the heavily hate side. The word on the street is they're they're getting it's getting busy over there at OSA in the heavily hate department.
Speaker 2:And, of course, you know, okay, if that's the price that we have to pay to continue living with Scientology's fair game and continuing harassment for the freedom to speak out, the freedom to help other people get out, through the work of the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation, putting up billboards and many other exciting campaigns that we'll talk about when we next do our dedicated aftermath video, then great, so be it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the aftermath is slaying it right now yeah, completely. And also I do have somebody from the short community. I'm a very short person. We don't claim Miscavige as one of ours. He is a different species of tiny, okay good. So see, we've gotten the green light from the short Kings community and we're good. Nobody's stepping on any toes here, but he's not short, he's micro, that's a totally different thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, micro psychopath.
Speaker 1:Micro psycho, micro psycho that could be new merch Comedy. Click clickety and the bloopity bloops down in the comments. If we should do the micro psycho, let's do some questions. Oh, here's a good we got. Oh, this is super chat in here even.
Speaker 2:Wow, clay's closet. Thank you. Keep up the amazing work here and with aftermath. You are both such kind people with so, so much empathy, which most don't have. Love the hell's angels. Look, sir, and how y'all make each other laugh tons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Thank you for that Crazy Next month we are coming up on our 33rd wedding anniversary.
Speaker 2:Honey, crazy, crazy, you don't have to tell me man, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1:We did all these.
Speaker 2:Maybe for our 33rd anniversary we should do a part two of marriage in the Sea Org and talk about all the crazy specific stories about that Follow up on our wedding video.
Speaker 1:Put it on the list.
Speaker 2:Okay, love Food Kitchen. These thumbnails are getting more and more sinister each week. At the moment, gone are the cute Markabians, the tiny tyrants, the teen matinee idols, replaced by wall of fire terror.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a serious business, scientology and they want to. If they want to charge people millions of dollars to find out about the space cooties, then I'm 100% going to tell people about it for free, because I'm basically saving these Scientologists, saving them hundreds, if not millions, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars. I'm doing a service, a community service, here, folks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, more importantly, definitely don't spend hundreds of thousands, up to millions of dollars unless you know for sure that your family is at risk, your children are at risk and Scientology will do anything and everything in their power to destroy you if you change your mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think on Tony's site I think it was this last week he had these two little girls that joined up for the Sea Org and I was just like you've got to be kidding me. Those poor little girls, I mean they were young, they were like teens, I mean I'm guessing 15, 16, 18, something like that. Anyway, it's a horrible thing. That anybody could be bamboozled in this day and age to join the C organization is insane. And also, I do want to say even when we were still there in the nineties and the two thousands, a lot of these young Scientology kids that were coming in were getting eaten up and chewed and spit out.
Speaker 1:There was a lot, especially a lot, of the famous kids that had rich parents. There was an opera singer in Scientology and her daughter, one of her daughters, went into the Sea Org and the word on the street is that this girl was pretty messed up from the nonsense in the Sea Org and a lot of the people that knew her before and after were like they really broke her. They just she was in a bad way for a while. I don't know if she still is, I don't know if she got better, but um, this, was.
Speaker 2:Hopefully she got far, far away from all that abuse yeah, it's no, it's no fun no, it's not brian question. How is it that the scientology whales don't know how empty the orgs are? Do they receive their auditing outside of the empty buildings?
Speaker 1:That's a great question.
Speaker 2:It is a great question.
Speaker 1:A lot of these people that give a ton of money. They go to the Florida, they go to Flag. If you have a lot of money in Scientology and you're still going to your local organization, that's a giant red flag. You're still going to your local organization. That's a giant red flag you should have. If you, if you had a hundred thousand dollars and you gave it to your local organization, you would run out of stuff to do there. You couldn't keep giving them more money. You're going to run out of things to do. You have to go to an advanced organization, which is a advanced organization, which is advanced organization Los Angeles, uk, eu, africa, australia. You have to go to one of those advanced organizations. That's where Space Cootie training starts. At the advanced organization. There's no Space Cootie info at your local organization.
Speaker 1:That's just a great way to look at it yeah nothing happening at the local organization has anything to do with space cooties or xenu or body thetans or however you want to talk about it. Um, that all happens at an advanced organization, um, which the ones we listed out, or at the flag land base, which is in clear downtown Clearwater, or at the, their, their little tugboat, the free winds, the what is it? We used to call it the, the flea winds. At the flea winds, asbestos headquarters down in the Caribbean Aruba, curacao, or Bonair, abcs, aruba, curacao, or Bonaire, abcs, aruba, bonaire, curacao. Those are the only places you can really find out about the space cooties and the aliens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, if you're still in a science, if you're in a Scientology organization right now and you're watching this video, and you haven't heard about Lord Xenu, the body Thetans, that's all legit. We, we, she, she, she did. Claire did all that. She knows they. They're real and also, as a, as a interesting fact that maybe not not a lot of people know, when hubbard died, he was still trying to figure out how to get rid of some pesky space cooties that he had just not been able to shake.
Speaker 1:He knew these space cooties were still in him even though he'd done all the way up to OT8. Ot9 was him trying to figure out how to get rid of those space cooties, and he couldn't even stick with it. He had to go write Mission Earth space porn for a few years and then he died, and then he couldn't figure out how to get the rest of his little space cooties. So if Hubbard never figured it out, I seriously doubt Miscavige is going to figure it out. Ok, those your space cooties are there to stay. Ok, scientology might have a way to.
Speaker 2:Or not or they were never there in the first place.
Speaker 1:Oh no, they're powerful. I use my space cooties. Bts activate oh shit, I got to. Bts activate. Yeah no, you have to harness the power of the space cooties.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, calm, calm down. I would like to add to this question, though, before we move along, that we have also heard from many people under the radar that Scientology switched gears to having many of the LA Scientologists move to Clearwater to again and we've talked about this before but to build up an isolated you know block, not a city of Scientologists.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, to be fair, that was sort of my job at Golden Era Productions. Or the job of Golden Era Productions is to put on, make these videos and put on these events, which is Hollywood movie magic, to make it look like these organizations are just teeming with folks, just overflowing. They've got to build a new place because we can't even fit into the old place that was in the strip mall next to the dog groomer. I'll tell you what the place that was next to the strip mall by the dog groomer was twice as busy as this giant mansion that they set up in the same town, where there's three people in there doing Scientology. When there's three people next to the place next to the dog groomer, it looked like we're doing okay, but when you put those same three people in a 50,000-square-foot facility, good luck finding them.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, and the work of Golden Era Productions, of course, is now done by SMP Scientology Media Productions in Los Angeles, so they're still going on doing that. Same old, same old. Did you all see the billboard in Los Angeles Scientology had put up that someone wrote F? Ice? I can't remember who posted that, but one of the LA people, Hmm.
Speaker 1:Oh, like on our billboard.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I hadn't heard of that. Well, you know what?
Speaker 1:I will get. I will use this as an excuse to plug Lamar.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Lamar has been amazing. The billboard company in Los Angeles. Yeah, if there's something wrong with the billboard, let us know, because we just tell Lamar and if they haven't fixed it already, they'll just put up a new billboard. It's part of our contract with them. Any destruction or any kind of damage that happens to the billboard, they will replace it as part of the contract. So go to the aftermathfoundationorg.
Speaker 2:And you can go to contact us and send us an email.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just let us know what the nearest cross streets are and we'll get that scooped up, if that's possible.
Speaker 2:We have lots of people in L in LA who can go scope it out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did not know that I don't. I'm not on social media to enough. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:Question Can you make a micro Davy doll? We have?
Speaker 1:those? What do you think these are? These are fake Navy Davies. These are captain Chucklesworth. These are the tiny tyrant, the micro psycho we got. I got to add that as a new, a new product description. You know we have, if you go on to the SP shop dot com yes, the SP shop dot com All of the proceeds that come from, all of the proceeds from the SP shopcom go to the Aftermath Foundation and that is where you can get these little fake Navy Davies, whatever.
Speaker 2:Heidi says those are life-size.
Speaker 1:No, these are actually bigger. Sorry, that's not a representative of actual size, these are bigger. But also, hey, these do something. Check this out. I'll show you guys. You see that you can. You can put them on things like look, this guy's riding the rocket over here.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's what he likes to do. There we go. Thank you, Clara she added the link in the chat for the SP shop.
Speaker 1:Do we have micro? I'm all over that.
Speaker 2:I've had these things for two years micro Davy doll um and um. Hold on just to answer another question here, fyt 54321 just put it up okay that's the reason they do it.
Speaker 1:They want us to read it.
Speaker 2:They want us everybody to see that they're, they're, they're okay, isn't lamar the same company that instantly caved and removed the, the board that went up two blocks from big blue?
Speaker 1:no, that was clear channel that's right, that was clear channel. Clear channel, not a fan um. Lamar, they're doing good, yeah, um, and also, to be fair, they have been up lamar's and oh, they have been causing so much trouble.
Speaker 2:And again we'll do an Aftermath Foundation update where we just do an hour of all the updates on our programs and so forth. We do prefer to keep that separate to this channel, though of course we support the Aftermath Foundation and we're on the board and that's all. Volunteer. We do not get paid, it's just work. We do because it's the right thing to do. Yeah, uh, child of cascadia question are miscavages, space cooties tinier than everyone else's so they can fit on him?
Speaker 1:that's a good question, it's a great question now you guys got to know something about these space cooties and I don't want to make this a space cootie episode. But in Scientology, don't you? You can, hey, come on In Scientology. They think you have millions could be millions of these space cooties in you. And when you go in session you're supposed to go in session sometimes a few times a day when you get into the space cootie eviction level, which is OT7, right.
Speaker 2:It starts at OT3.
Speaker 1:Okay, starts in OT3, but it goes from OT3 to OT7. That's all space cootie maintenance slash evictions and you could evict 10,000 at a time. If there's a cluster of them, you could go identify them and then you tell them to get out. Right, you tell them you got to get out of here, go find someplace else.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't literally tell them that.
Speaker 1:In your mind, you do with your mental masturbation, whatever they're doing, and those things. Yeah, okay, either way.
Speaker 2:The idea, whatever they're doing in those things. Yeah, okay, either way the idea is to release them. You know, whatever it's release, it's really semantics.
Speaker 1:On whatever you're, you say tomato I say fuck that anyway, um, they, they're evicting these space cooties and with also for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years, that you're between ot3 and ot7, and on ot8 you find out that you're between OT3 and OT7. And on OT8, you find out that you created the space cooties. You find out you created the space cooties on OT8 and that you're basically a god. And even though that's what you find out on OT8, hubbard was still trying to evict space cooties after ot8. So he was trying to shock himself with e-meters that had car batteries wired to them to shock out these last. They're like barnacle space cooties. They're just hanging on for dear life, but not they could not evict them. They were space cootie squatters. They would not leave and he couldn't get rid of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, reminds me of some people in the Sea Organization currently to this day doing David Muscovage's dirty work, like the Warren McShane's of the world and the Jenny Linson's, but basically his space cooties are probably maybe a little smaller than everybody else's.
Speaker 1:The other thing is, like I've been saying, the space cooties are probably maybe a little smaller than everybody else's. The other thing is, like I've been saying, the space cooties, you have to harness the power of the space cooties. If you've got space cooties that are really into baking like be a baker man, harness some space cootie culinary skills and shit. My space cooties just like to eat. So that's all I got going for me in that department. Okay, what else we got here?
Speaker 2:Okay, antonia, since OSA has to watch all these videos, have any of them left? Yeah, there's been a bunch of people who have left from OSA Office of Special Affairs, for sure, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also a lot of them are passing away, because most of the folks in OSA are, I want to say, in their 40s, 50s and 60s. At least there's a whole bunch of 50s and 60s.
Speaker 2:And there's a bunch in their 70s.
Speaker 1:I was going to say there's a bunch of the 70s. I mean these guys were in the Guardian's office.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they were around in the 70s and they're still there. Yeah, exactly the one that they got rid, the people that they got rid of.
Speaker 2:They're still there. Yeah, Okay, John, Kalisa suggestions start calling orgs stores there you go Well, see, this is another.
Speaker 1:this is a good comment because I like this. That is what they are. They're Scientology stores, right, but when? If we? But if we water down the Scientologies too much, then Scientologists don't think that we were Scientologists. So even I saw a comment on a video the other day I don't look at the comments all the time, but I do see them every once in a while. I'll just check on the channel dashboard and it said this guy didn't even read Dianetics. That's their main book. I don't think he was a Scientologist and that is a very good point, and I should have read Dianetics, but it was a long, boring pile of turd so I didn't want to have to deal with it and I didn't actually ever read it. So you know, I that made that's probably a good thing.
Speaker 2:Yep Love it. Question has Scientology ever done AI hate videos or is it all?
Speaker 1:verbal with pics Mostly just our relatives. Yeah, people that work with my mom, my sisters, my stepdad my mom, my cousin, my mom, my sister.
Speaker 2:I mean, hey, nothing says cult louder than POW videos from our very own family members. I mean, come on. Scientology I was born into Scientology. My mother joined the C organization when I was four years old. Scientology, my mother joined the C organization when I was four years old. So I whatever it is is in your hate videos that's from Scientology. And yes, I got the heck out the moment I was able to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is another good point which I do bring up sometimes, which is they're saying that I was this horrible person that grew up in Scientology, and I think that's why they started shifting to these videos of stuff I did when I was six, because I really hadn't done much Scientology when I was six, so that's when I was. That's when my space cooties were just like just wired.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh Code monkey question Is there anything you will not eat due to bad experiences or triggers? From the Int Base Cafe?
Speaker 1:I know that's a really good question. You know what? Which one I don't want to eat.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Must go stew.
Speaker 2:Must go stew yeah.
Speaker 1:If you guys haven't had the very, very interesting dish must go stew. It's everything in the fridge that must go and it goes into a stew, right, and it's usually at the end of the week when they've run out of money.
Speaker 2:So there was, there was. You know they're running out of stocks and they don't have money approved, so they would just literally throw it all in the pot.
Speaker 1:Throw it in the pot.
Speaker 2:Mine, my. I mean I had really really bad food poisoning there twice.
Speaker 1:Did you eat those tacos that one time?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did it was literally the worst, in fact-.
Speaker 1:Is the taco story in my book.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:If you want to know about the famous taco incident, you got to read the book.
Speaker 2:But it is a it has to do with rancid oil, weevils and a few other nasty things that I really don't want to particularly.
Speaker 1:It's a pretty shit-tastic story. There were people lined up. It was like they were queuing for a concert, but they were just trying to get into the bathrooms that day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was a problem because, as we've talked about before, there was a distinct lack of toilet paper on that property. So that was a big. That was a shitty day.
Speaker 1:It was literally like there were probably 30 toilet desks that day they were. Those toilets got murdered.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I will say it's. I don't particularly. I will still eat tortillas, but I will say that the three times I've had food poisoning since leaving like, that's it, wherever it came from that place. I'm never going there again, and not even to try, not interested at all. Love it. Wonder how many people they sent emails to who are no longer alive. Yeah, exactly, that's one of the most commonly asked things of the Michael J Render Aftermath Foundation how do we get off the list? So now we've developed this whole like you know all the steps you can take.
Speaker 1:Just so you guys know, scientology has a software suite that they pay for. It's one of the most advanced and thorough skip trace softwares that you can buy and what they've done is they have integrated their entire contact list into this skip trace program and basically what it does is if they, let's just say they have a list of 30,000 people, let's just say they have a list of 30,000 people, that list, their software is constantly scrubbing the internet for their cell phone, for their social, for their latest this, anything that is on the web. Their software is scraping and updating their contact card for you with that info. So I've heard stories People have written in saying they were in Scientology in 1972 and they're getting emails or mail from Scientology and they haven't been into a Scientology organization since the early seventies and somehow they have their current cell phone number and address.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and and remember that you actually got very specific information about this one fine day, when we were called and told, like four years after we were declared- Somebody called me from the Los Angeles org. It was the Inglewood.
Speaker 1:Inglewood org that I had never been to in my life. Right, somebody called me from there.
Speaker 2:We were by now already in Colorado.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd already written a book about Scientology and they called and asked if I wanted to come and help do the renovations of this new building that they bought, and I I almost went. I was, I was debating, I was debating, going and just at least showing up and being like hey, I'm here to do the renovations. I'm good at electrical concrete, stone, veneer plumbing.
Speaker 2:I'm sure it's no surprise to anyone here that Mark likes to get you know once you get him talking and telling stories. He has a gay old time. So when this person called he just kind of like thought you know what? I'm just going to have a really good conversation with this person and she and she downloaded so much she spilled this.
Speaker 1:She spilled so many beans. I thought she was uh, what is that jack and the beanstalk? I mean, there were beans everywhere with this cow, he told me. She's actually the one who told me that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, that's why I brought it up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she told me. I said wow, I didn't know. I gave you guys my new number, but I'm glad you called I love hearing news. And she told me oh, we have this really super, super awesome program.
Speaker 2:I'm really impressed. How did you you know, how'd you get this number? And she just filled the beans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she told me this whole thing they had and I was like oh really, oh interesting. Thank you for telling me that yes, exactly. She said it was the most advanced program that would update contacts that you can possibly get. Yes, I mean that could be the story they're telling everybody. But I mean they did have a brand new cell number. Yeah, that I didn't have when I was even in the C organization.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was from an organization that I'd never been to, so it was definitely weird.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll do a few last comments and questions and then we'll do our giveaway and wrap it up for this fine Sunday, sp Danny. Then we'll do our giveaway and wrap it up for this fine sunday, sp danny. Hey mark, can we still email you if we think we have a pi following us around?
Speaker 1:I remember hearing you say we could in a past podcast sure, if you take pictures or whatever, the thing that I don't want people to do is don't. I don't think you should run from them or try to evade them any. If there's any kind of safety, you know, like if it's on the road and you have a PI following you in another vehicle, if you feel like you're in danger, then absolutely call the local law enforcement and tell them that hey, I am in this kind of world and I think the Scientology private investigator, just somebody's following me a report and if nothing comes of it, nothing comes of it, but at least it'll. It'll be a document, but, um, but don't, don't. I wouldn't confront them, I wouldn't, uh, cause a scene, I would definitely don't engage, just do your.
Speaker 1:Just do your thing. I mean, I used to say if you're doing nonsense and you're being followed by scientology, then they got you right where you want, where they want you, because they want to smoke out some nonsense. If you're not up to nonsense and it's sort of like you know you're going to see what kind of eggs and cereal you buy at the grocery store or where you like to go get coffee it's like who cares really what? What kind of nonsense is that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Most of the time the only. It's really for the impact and reaction from you. That's what they're trying to get. Okay, let's do one. Oh, Matt, Denny. Hey, Matt question how long does it take for you to trust new people? You know?
Speaker 1:I think we sort of have a good radar for that kind of stuff these days. And also, we kind of we're not, you know, we're not going clubbing, we're not going to, you know, mixers.
Speaker 2:No, we're like we spend time with our kids.
Speaker 1:It's like if you're not in our circle, our pets, you're not going to hang out with our neighbors and that's really.
Speaker 2:And you know, of course we talk to a lot of different people. I don't know. I try not to focus on who we can trust or not trust, though I mean it is an element, it's undeniably an element, but we had some friends I don't mind telling this story.
Speaker 1:We had some friends that we met in the last few years and a lot of our Scientology friends were convinced that these new friends that we made were spies. There was no, there was spies. There was a lot of coincidences on how they kind of ran into us and that they knew us before they ran into us. And one of the people was a very big fan of Depeche Mode and we actually met at a Depeche Mode concert. They were sitting next to us at a Depeche Mode concert.
Speaker 1:Okay, now, I don't know if you guys go to concerts, but if you try to get the seats next to somebody that you don't know where their seats are, and even if you do know where their seats are and you're trying to sit next to them at a sold-out concert, I mean, and I even told this, we had dinner with them about a few weeks ago or whatever, and I told him if you guys work for Scientology, you're the best goddamn fucking spies that they've ever had. And I told her that to their faces. I'm like, and you've probably spent a good 20, $30,000 on Depeche mode concerts. And I went, we've been, I've been to several concerts with these people in the last few years. So I mean, if you're playing the game and you're that hardcore, then hats off man. And I'm not giving, I'm not telling these people operational info.
Speaker 2:That's going to jack me up.
Speaker 1:I'm just like I'm me.
Speaker 2:And they've also come up with some really, really good ideas to help the work the foundation does. And also, too, I just want to say our friends can think whatever they want. We're not going to decide somebody is a spy because somebody else thinks they're a spy. You know, it's we. We just have always made our own decisions about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we also sometimes still talk to people that used to be kind of working with OSA here and there, right, like like they were reporting to OSA, would ask them questions and they'd tell them something or be like I don't know, I don't know anything about that. And then sometimes they'd say, yeah, I don't know how Mark bought that new car, I don't know what he's doing for who, but he does have a new car, you know, and I'm, you know, I'm just like okay, whatever that, okay, whatever that's not, no, Like we said, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 2:No, we have nothing to hide. We just work hard and do what we do, so we're going to keep doing that.
Speaker 1:Awesome, let's do some giveaways.
Speaker 2:Sounds good.
Speaker 1:Oh, I pushed the wrong button. There we go.
Speaker 2:Yay.
Speaker 1:You guys ready for this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So just to reiterate the rules of this little giveaway If you've posted a comment in the chat, you are automatically entered to win something and you get to choose whatever it is you'd like from either the BFG merch store or the SP shop.
Speaker 1:And any comment is entered. So you may have entered. You may have commented five or six times. It's only going to use you as a draw. It's only going to draw from. Yeah, you'll only get picked once's only going to draw from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll only get picked once.
Speaker 1:Yeah, however, that will get drawn, yeah, drawn.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, we're falling apart.
Speaker 1:now it's time to move along here with our running on a real lean mixture right now. Folks, it's a couple of sandwiches short of a big. Yeah, oh, I almost won.
Speaker 2:Oh nice.
Speaker 1:Oh, Dalton almost won Lupita. There you go, Lupita. I don't think Lupita won again. Has she ever won before?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, but I saw her comment that to pray for people in Texas that are being impacted by flash floods currently. So we please all stay safe.
Speaker 1:Email Claire, you know the normal routine. Lupita, you're a frequent flyer. You Email, claire. You know the normal routine.
Speaker 2:Lupita, you're a frequent flyer, you know what to do.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know what to do, awesome guys.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, lupita.
Speaker 1:I lost my mouse. It's gone forever.
Speaker 2:That's fun. Yep I really did you want me to take over?
Speaker 1:I just don't know where it went. I don't know. Hold on, I'll find it.
Speaker 2:Just keep talking.
Speaker 1:You read some comments or something while I try to figure out what happened here. I really did.
Speaker 2:That's great honey, that's super exciting. It is kind of wild. Let's see here. Oh sorry folks.
Speaker 1:I don't even know how to get that thing off this. We've lost control, folks, oh, I literally. You know, last week we had the internet was jamming it up and it was just you're doing okay.
Speaker 2:Lynette says do you think dave is currently planning his escape in preparation from when for when shit hits the fan? Um, you know, I don't think he's planning to go anywhere or turn over anything. I'm sure he has um evolved his levels of plans of how to disappear and how to evade process servers and things of that nature. That's what I think.
Speaker 1:Are you seeing this?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Look at that.
Speaker 2:Oh, my gosh, wow. So Mark's mouse is now literally on the desk, on the table, and I can see it loud and clear, but he's I'm on another computer, somehow it's literally like the mouse just.
Speaker 1:I'm share screen One of your space.
Speaker 2:Cooties went into your mouse and has now taken over.
Speaker 1:But how do I get back to this screen?
Speaker 2:I don't know, honey, it's a mystery.
Speaker 1:This has never happened before. Babe, we've got space cootie cluster, it's just. Can you control this thing? Can you control stuff? Yeah, I think so Can you go back to the normal thing?
Speaker 2:Which one is the normal? This one.
Speaker 1:The one that says normal, that one, yeah, okay, there you go, I did it, she did it.
Speaker 2:That was a close call.
Speaker 1:Can you go over where it says end stream right there Can you go to end stream. Can you go over where it says end stream right there Can you go to end stream.
Speaker 2:Yep, I can. Otherwise we'll be sitting here for the next two weeks while Mark figures out how to get his. Yeah, okay, I can do that.
Speaker 1:Holy moly folks, sorry about that. I was going to say we had internet space cooties last week and we I didn't get rid of any of them, I just transferred them from the interwebs to me. So our internet's good and now I'm more powerful. But we had literally we had the cable company get back out here and they scrubbed everything down and everything is amazing now. So we should be out of the space cootie realm on the interwebs Fingers crossed.
Speaker 2:We should be out of the space cootie realm on the interwebs Fingers crossed. Our recent speed tests have shown that many, many space cooties were eliminated in that process. They weren't eliminated.
Speaker 1:They were transferred.
Speaker 2:Whatever you want to say they were relocated peacefully and very intergalactically you can't say humanely.
Speaker 1:You have to say intergalactically it was, our method was approved by the Humanely would be judgmental of space goodies. It was approved by the Galactic Federation.
Speaker 2:They approved the relocation plans for the space goodies. Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate you. We'll keep going despite whatever.
Speaker 1:Office of Special Affairs throws at us next, if you want us to review some of your products that are on Amazon. We can't because we shut the company down 11 years ago. Scientology is hot on our trail. They're only 11 years behind. We've got 11. We can get up to nonsense tomorrow, and it's going to be in a video in 2037.
Speaker 2:So I guess that means we have a lot of upcoming content. I won't even be here.
Speaker 1:Okay, guys.
Speaker 2:All right, been real, take care.
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