Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
The Miscavige Dynasty: Family Control and Scientology's Top Man - Scientology Secrets #14
Ever wonder what it's like when your boss is also your son? In this episode, we pull back the curtain on David Miscavige's complex relationship with his father, Ron Miscavige Sr., revealing the bizarre power dynamics that existed between them at Scientology's International Headquarters.
Ron, a talented musician responsible for arranging music for Scientology events and videos, wasn't treated as family but as just another staff member subject to his son's approval and criticism. When Ron struggled to communicate "properly" with David, Shelly Miscavige ordered months of Scientology communication drills to "fix" him – a perfect illustration of how family bonds are subordinated to organizational hierarchy. Even more telling was when Ron faced severe punishment after rapper Doug E. Fresh went off-script during a Scientology event, showing that the Miscavige name offered no protection from David's wrath.
We also explore the infamous "Pi-Face" campaign, where staff members were ridiculed and labeled for appearing afraid to speak in meetings – despite David Miscavige's volcanic temper being the very reason for their fear. These firsthand accounts paint a vivid picture of an organization where fear rules and even the most basic human relationships are corrupted by power and control.
The episode touches on other revealing aspects of life at "the base," including the strange belief some long-term members hold that L. Ron Hubbard will return as promised, finally allowing them to report David Miscavige's abuses to the founder. These stories provide rare insight into the psychological manipulation that forms the foundation of Scientology's management style under David Miscavige's leadership.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. Um, I've got my lovely wife Claire here today.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, hey.
SPEAKER_04:And um, yeah, we did um this last, was it this last week? This last week, the interview that we did on the Mormon Stories podcast uh came out. I want to say it's like 11 hours worth of interviews between the two of part one and part two.
SPEAKER_00:Part one and part two, yes. It was absolutely the longest haul of interviews we've done in a really long time. Um, so yes, part one was released on Monday, and part two was released on Thursday. So if you have not seen that, get on over to Mormon Stories Podcast for a headly deep dive.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we did. I mean, we probably we talked about a bunch of stuff when we were there when we worked at the international headquarters, and then we talked about how we got out, and then some stuff that happened afterwards.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:So, yes, good stuff. Um, today, oh, I I lost my slide. We had uh we had some weird technical fun uh right before we started.
SPEAKER_00:BT's in the house.
SPEAKER_04:Sears BTs in these in this house. Um, but we were we were able to conquer them. But um one of the things I wanted to show you guys was I got this photo off the internet. I don't know. Oh, where'd it go? Um, I don't know if that is an actual proper representation of David Miscavige. Somebody might have shooped it a little.
SPEAKER_00:Possibly.
SPEAKER_04:Possibly, and um, or sent it to me like that. I don't know. I have a library of one, so I just grabbed a David Miscavige little thumbnail, and his hair it does it does look enhanced to me. I'm not gonna say that that's 100%.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, playing devil's advocate, I've never seen someone who's just gotten hair plugs. Maybe that's what it looks like fresh out of the It's true.
SPEAKER_04:You know, I don't know about I'm not I don't know about hair plugs. Do you know about hair plugs?
SPEAKER_00:I don't.
SPEAKER_04:I didn't never I never heard anything about hair plugs. It could be that he had them. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Oh yeah. I think definitely in later years.
SPEAKER_04:He did.
SPEAKER_00:I that's what I think just looking at unless every single photo is photoshopped.
SPEAKER_04:Well, also I don't have a problem with hair plugs. If you want to look like you have hair, then make it look like you have hair. People to wear makeup. It's like makeup for dudes, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:Whatever. He can do what he wants.
SPEAKER_00:Whatever you want to do, we do you.
SPEAKER_04:We uh we've we've already got our people in here. We know we do normally do a little readout. I'm sorry we had to do the the hair recap instead, but um we can still do a shout-out to people join us. Okay, you read them and I'll jam them up, okay?
SPEAKER_00:Okay, all right, see this. Okay, Bella watching from Harl, Harlan, Kentucky. Hi from the Netherlands, Anita Xenuite, Austin, Texas. Nice. Um greetings from Mesa, Arizona. So glad to make this live. Thanks for being here. Hi from Germany. Hello, Netherlands and Germany. Uh oh, hello from Northern California. Karen, no one, Los Angeles here. Awesome. Good to see you.
SPEAKER_04:That's uh what's her name?
SPEAKER_00:What's what it's no one?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, it's uh it's that's from Game of Thrones.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:That's the little girl.
SPEAKER_00:That's the Aria.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah, there you go. She's the White Walker uh King Slayer.
SPEAKER_00:She's the best. Aria's the bomb. Melanie, hi from West Virginia. Carla, hi from England.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, we do have a ton of people here today.
SPEAKER_00:Tatum, hi from Arizona. Uh JDR, hello from Florida. Apostate Alex in the house, director of suppressive persons affairs. In and over association.
SPEAKER_04:We don't know what SP stands for in his country.
SPEAKER_00:I know what it stands for. It's all about context. Wild Family, hi from Hemett, California. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_04:Right next to the beast.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, apostate Alex, Linda. I did too. Oh, that's talking about the Mormon Stories podcast. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Uh blown for good, Scientology Exposed. I listened to all 11 hours of the Mormon podcast.
SPEAKER_04:Holy moly.
SPEAKER_00:Should get a badge or something. You should. My goodness.
SPEAKER_04:We go to campaign bars.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my gosh, that was exhausting. It took us like what, like four or five days once we got home. Yeah, I have to do the same thing.
SPEAKER_04:Shut your phone off, woman.
SPEAKER_00:Uh we got we got home from that on Thursday night, actually September 11th. Um, and it took us like three, four days just to recover from we really did.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that was a lot. It was a lot. Yeah, it was because we were trap. We had to travel and then we were there for two days. Then we had to catch up on work and yeah, then we had to do all the things we would have done if we weren't doing that when those two days happened.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um, okay. I think we're good to go. I think we got we have a few more Netherlands just because there's so many.
SPEAKER_00:Menon, hello from the Netherlands. Awesome. Yes. Um watching from Harlan, Kentucky. Nice. Gretchen Philly, Angel Cat, greetings from Cameron, North Carolina. Awesome. Uh Sherry, hello, all from Western, Minnesota. Vicky from Clearwater.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, good. And then one last one from the uh Cher.
SPEAKER_00:Good evening from the Netherlands.
SPEAKER_04:And then, of course, Trevenon.
SPEAKER_00:Trevenon, yes. Thank you, Trevenon, for being here. Oh, Trein. Billy Bob 123 reporting for Mustard from the Netherlands.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, Trevenon was very instrumental in making some of that Mormon story stuff happen. Yes. We did not know that he um He's a mod for their channel. Yeah. Yes, no, that was awesome. I found that out afterwards.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was in the chat most of the time for both episodes.
SPEAKER_04:So I was too, for at least one of them, I think I was. Yeah. A little bit for the other one.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um, okay, folks, let's get to the business at hand.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um, so we thought that it would be a great idea to do another episode of David Miscavige Stories. We had such a good reception to uh the video we did, the last video we did of David Miscavige Stories. And actually, the other um one of the other episodes that we did about David Miscavige and Tom Cruise stories, I think it's one of the most watched episodes on the channel. So I should have gone back to that well before.
SPEAKER_00:The top dog, the captain of the sea organization.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, the fact that he hangs out with Mr. Risky Business doesn't hurt either. That people are like, What's up with this dude? He's hanging out with, you know, the super runner.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:And uh the movie runner.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um, so would you want to go first? You tell me um you well, I mean, that we can pick anything from any.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I had a good idea while while you were fixing our technical difficulties. I thought it would be good to talk about David Miscavige's relationship with his family members in the C organization, namely starting with his father, Ron Miscavige.
SPEAKER_04:That's a great idea.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's what I thought.
SPEAKER_04:So Ron Miscavige was a musician at Golden Air Productions. Now there is some folklore around how Ron Miscavige got into the Sea Org. That was way before our time.
SPEAKER_00:It was. And we weren't there for that.
SPEAKER_04:And I never ever talked to Ron about that. Right. Um, even after he left. So I don't know anything about that on first hand. So the only thing I know is when I got there in 1990, uh, Ron Miscavige had not been there that much longer before me. He had only gotten there a few years earlier, as far as I could tell. And Ron Miscavige Sr. was a trumpet player. Yes, he was a horns player. So he played trumpet. And what the other job that he did is he was what's known as an arranger.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So he would make an arrangement and kind of um make a score for a video or uh an event thing or something like that, and then he put that all together and then he would submit that to David Miscavige for approval.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:So if there was a if we were shooting a movie for uh like an internal training film and it needed music, Ron Miscavige was one of the two guys that would put the the music together and say, okay, good, this is the style and this is the motif, and this is how we're gonna put it together, and this is kind of what it's gonna sound like. And they would just record it on a keyboard, um, just a rough track to kind of give you an idea of it.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And if we were doing a video, um, they these videos are really corny. You can find them on the internet, I'm sure. But if we were doing a video about a drug rehab center, Scientology drug rehab center in Russia, then they would make the the motif and the style of the music be very, very Russian.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:And then um they would get that approved by David Miscavige himself, personally. I think it had to go to the audio director that's over the music department, and then it would go to the guys in the uh LRH's audiovisual, which is called RAV, Ron's AV, RAV, and then it would go directly to COB.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Some there were Ron Ron as in L. Ron Hubbard, not Ron's not Ron Sr.'s AV.
SPEAKER_04:And then um, and then yeah, and then that would get approved by David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:And then David Miscavige would they would record the music and to go with the video that got um shot and edited.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:And then David Miscavige would have to approve the video edit, but if the music wasn't done, then he would have to approve the video edit by itself, but then he'd have to watch the video again to then um hear the music um mix that went on the video edit.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So after years and years of having to approve all these individually, somebody, I don't know who, it might have been me. Um, or it might have been Dave demanding it, I don't remember, but they were like, why don't you just put the music and the edit and everything into one video and then each department can have their CSW with it, their completed staff work to say, this is why we pick this music. This now, guys, if you think that a few notes being off on one of these Russian drug rehab videos uh showing how Scientology is getting people off drugs in Russia, if you think some of the music could be a little off and it wouldn't be the end of the world, well, you've got something coming because David Miscavige knows better. He knows that the music's got to be perfect, the edit's gotta be perfect.
SPEAKER_02:Every last year.
SPEAKER_04:The only person that can ensure that happens is him personally. Nobody else has the knowledge to know if a video is perfect or something.
SPEAKER_00:Because he's the ultimate quality control of the universe.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So I'm I want to say there was probably, I think we made a list one time, there's over 400 things that happen at the international headquarters that David Miscavige has to personally approve before it can go to the next stage of whatever it is getting done. Whether it's a film, he would watch all the daily shots.
SPEAKER_00:Um and which bear which uh brings to mind that then when David Miscavige would get pissed that things weren't getting done, nobody could ever say, but sir, the proposal is in your office. That was never an acceptable answer.
SPEAKER_04:But also, the only reason I want to say all this is that David Miscavige's father, he was just another one of the another 400 people submitting things to get approved by him.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_04:It wasn't like he was Ron Miscavige Dave's dad. No, he was Ron Miscavige musician.
SPEAKER_00:No, in fact, we we knew Ron quite well, rest in peace, and Becky rest in peace, his his wife. Um but I never once, personally, I never once saw Ron with David Miscavige as son-father relationship. I never saw that.
SPEAKER_04:I did, but only I think because I was in music so much, and then also because we Ron Miscavige would come on the events as a they the musicians would play live at these events. Right. And um, and I did see them, and sometimes Dave would be yelling at us and be like, da da, you guys do this, you gotta do that, you guys are shit, you know, whatever. And then he would go to the next the room next door, and then we would all leave. And then sometimes Ron would be like, Hey man, what's going on? And we'd go talk to Dave. So I did see that on a few occasions, but they weren't like hugging and drinking a beer, they were just talking off to the side, and who knows what they were talking about because I do know there were many occasions where uh Shelly would come and talk to Ron after the musicians boofed some mix down or they uh messed up on an event thing. That's a no that's a good one. So there was an event that we did at the Free Winds. Um, that's the Scientology's cruise ship. And they have this week of events during in June called the Maiden Voyage Anniversary week of events.
SPEAKER_02:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:And they have like a CCHR night, that's the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, that's Scientology's Anti-Psychiatry front group. They would have an ABLE night, which is Association for Better Living and Education, that's Scientology's Drug Rehab Way to Happiness Applied Scholastics front group. And then they'd have an IAS night, that's the International Association of Scientologists. And then the other nights were whatever else was happening that might be news. Usually they would do a CST night, which is the Church of Spiritual Technology.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and they would do a um public relations office of special affairs news night, yeah, too.
SPEAKER_04:That's right. And the and the idea was that these are all things, the people that are allowed to go to the Maiden Voyage anniversary events are only the top level OT level sevens and OT level eights in the world, and usually the rich ones. So if you're just a struggling middle class Scientologist who managed to get to OT eight, there's only like I think that ship only holds like 400 and something 300.
SPEAKER_00:I looked it up.
SPEAKER_04:So 300 and 90 or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:Something like that. But that includes the staff that live and work there.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. There's at least about a hundred of them.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So you're talking maybe about 200 passengers that can get into this event.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So they let the richy riches come in first because all the things that they're going to tell them about, those are things they want them to give them some money for.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So in order to be, you know, patron maximus, glute, glutamus, whatever, you have to give them like$10 million.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And then you can have$2 million of that could be for the preservation of the technology. That's the CST stuff, or you can give to the any of the other groups the IAS or whatever. Anyway, we were going to do a concert for one of these. So they have the event, and then after the event, the musicians put on a concert.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Now Drugie, uh Drugie Fresh. Doug E. Fresh, the rapper Dougie Fresh. It was wacko. Okay. Drugie Fresh. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Oopsies.
SPEAKER_04:Doug E. Fresh, the famous New York rapper, the human beatbox. Um, was he the human beatbox? I think he was the original human beatbox. Um anyway, Dougie Fresh is supposed to do a concert. And this is also a really weird world because you got all these rich, stuck-up white Scientologists, okay? There's no drinking and drugging. There's none of that stuff's happening in that world, supposedly.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And now you've got a rapper, an old school 80s, 90s rapper from New York City, doing a show for these guys. Okay. And it's definitely awkward up in there. But at the end of this show, I want to say it was at the end, or maybe it was right before the show. I don't remember that part of it. But I remember that Dougie Freshard talking about his kid being on crack or cocaine or something like that. And he was struggling with it. And it was like a real bad thing. And that's why he was, you know, totally for the drug rehabilitation stuff and all that. And everybody's like, what the fuck is he going on about? Dave Miscavige got pissed. And Ron Miscavige was basically, even though he was just one of the musicians, he was for, I think for a long time, he was also the music director. Or he was kind of like the head of the musicians. He was the spokesperson for the musicians. It was usually between him, Peter Schles, who wrote On the Wings of Love, and Denise Friend.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, or and Rick Cruz and was also in that mix.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but he was mainly a mixer guy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_04:But he did play keys, but he wasn't really a musician.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:For the most part. Yeah. He was just somebody David Miscavige liked to yell at yell at for on behalf of other people. True. Okay. So Ron Miscavige got in big trouble because Dougie Fresh went off script. Yeah. Basically. He was just supposed to read the prompter, and then Dougie Fresh just got excited about the project and just started talking about drugs and his kids and nonsense. Anyway, I remember that Dave just came down on Ron. And I think for I want to say for months, they were in lower conditions because of that uh Dougie Fresh situation.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:So um, so that's another thing you gotta know. Sometimes just because your last name is Miscavige, that doesn't mean you're gonna get treated any better. I would say out of all of the miscavages, Shelly was the one who benefited the most just because she was so close. For a what for she had a run.
SPEAKER_00:Until it turned one.
SPEAKER_04:She had a run.
SPEAKER_00:She did.
SPEAKER_04:In the end, it didn't work out. Yeah, no. Up until the end, she probably I don't know, you know, it's weird because I always thought that Roanne, Rowann, that we're going a little off script here, but Roanne was L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, and she was in the Sea Org at the Ant Base because her mother and father, Diana Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbard's daughter, also had the gingivitis, if you don't mind me saying. I do say that. The gingis gingis max. Anyway, she was also a redhead, and Roanne was actually a redhead.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:And but Roanne's parents were both in the Sea Org, and they were both at the posted at the international headquarters.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So Diana and then her husband, John Horwich. John is not in the Sea Org anymore. Roanne is not in the Sea Org anymore, but Diana is still there. Alive or not, we don't know. We haven't heard or seen, and no one that has left recently knows anything about her.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And they've never or they haven't said anything.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Um okay, so but I always thought that Roanne was being treated specially because she was El Ron Hubbard's granddaughter.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And then when Rowann left.
SPEAKER_00:And I think when she was younger, she had some things. Like she had a tutor, not that not that it was an accredited tutor, you know, whatever. She just had there were some things that were done differently to these L. Ron Hubbard, I believe.
SPEAKER_04:Wasn't her tutor Jenny Sue Alexander?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So it was she had a lady that I think used to be like a teacher. Used to be in her prior to the C organization. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if she was accredited, I have no idea.
SPEAKER_04:But either way, it was just somebody who was the most teacher-like of the people available. Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. Yeah, you can never take titles at face value when it comes to C organization jobs because you know they'll be electrician. So one might presume from your experience in the real world that that means said person has electric electrician certification and qualifications. That's just not the case. Same with a tutor. Just because they have the title of tutor means absolutely nothing as to their actual qualifications.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, you know, which is funny because I didn't know a lot about plumbing and electrical and stone veneer before I joined the Sea Org.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:But now I I did ton I've done tons, I did hundreds and hundreds of hours of those items in this in the C organization, building uh buildings and stuff on that property. But now if I needed to do some of that stuff, I could do it. I don't know that I would do it the best or the nicest, but I could do it. But I wouldn't tell anybody that I was an electrician.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_04:I wouldn't be like, yeah, I'm an electrician. I've wired 4,000 outlets, but I'm not an electrician.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, I'm a rock star.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, hey, I did want to say uh show this too. If you could read that real quick, I did look this up.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, hi Claire. I politely suggest searching revenue ruling 93-73 and then read the 2005 legal article posted on UNC Charlotte's website. It's eye-opening best to all. All right.
SPEAKER_04:It's a lot. And there's it's it's not for the light of heart in terms of reading, but it basically argues that the IRS, a lot of people are like, oh, Scientology is protected like other religions are protected. It's actually not the case. Scientology is allowed to do things under the religious umbrella that other religions are not allowed to do. The other religions are not allowed to um take religious training and religious education as a write-off. That's not a thing. The donations they are, but not for religious training.
SPEAKER_00:Not the service-based items where you can do that.
SPEAKER_04:So the way Yeah, the way Scientology was doing it, and this is a good point. Sorry, I put the camera on both of both. There we go. Um I think that Scientology knows that they're gonna lose that. They're not gonna be able to check auditing.
SPEAKER_00:That would be a s a potential theory as to why they've transitioned over to the donation model donation model.
SPEAKER_04:Because they know they're gonna lose this.
SPEAKER_00:Right, because it was already denied.
SPEAKER_04:Uh and the IRS is like, whatever, we these guys are giving us grief. We're gonna we gotta give them something. So because they're switching over to this donation model, that is the thing that's allowed. You can give people money for whatever you want. Well, certain things are exempt and certain things aren't.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. If they do end ultimately end up losing that again, it won't really matter. Because the people could still give them money. They have to lose everything tax exempt.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Anyway, maybe if we could show that their tax exempt dollars are being spent harassing us, then uh and the environment. Anyway, thank you for that, Jason.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um okay, what what else? What other stories? That's good enough. Oh, no, the thing I was gonna say about Rowan is sorry, we went off track because I the only reason I think about this is because people always think, oh, the people related to the people are doing fine. It's not that way all the time.
SPEAKER_00:It's not that, and that's why I thought of Ron Ron Misgavage Sr. Yeah. But finish what you're saying about Rowan, and then I'll say my part about Ron.
SPEAKER_04:Perfect. So when Rowan left, I asked her this specific thing. Yeah, but you had it pretty good. She goes, you know, when she was a steward in what's called CMO Gold, which is the Commodore Messengers organization for golden era productions, they are the ones that take care of L. Ron Hubbard's personal spaces at the international headquarters.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So they're the ones that clean L. Ron Hubbard's bedroom and put his clothes out the night before. So when he shows back up the next day in a 20-year-old body, he can put on these 70-year-old dude clothes. Because that's totally normal. And um they clean the, they clean. They clean the tub, they clean the toilet, they wash the kitchen, they do the dishes, they do all that stuff in L. Ron Hubbard's house.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:But they also do that for David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And so he had Rowan, David Miscavige, had Rowan, L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, doing his laundry.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:And Shelly's laundry and feeding their dogs, and she was their servant, she was their steward doing that kind of stuff. And then I thought that's kind of wacky if you think about it. Like, just in a psychological way. You're L. Run Hubbard's granddaughter, but you clean my dirty underwear.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:It's not, that's not a position of power and privilege that she got.
SPEAKER_02:No.
SPEAKER_04:She basically got to do a demeaning in a way. I mean, not that anything's wrong with that. People do that as a job, but the fact that she was L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter.
SPEAKER_00:That's what that's where it's twisted.
SPEAKER_04:Is the little little little spin on that. And that's kind of wild.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And even just thinking about the fact that the children that L. Ron Hubbard had, the only one still there is Diana. That's crazy too.
SPEAKER_04:It is crazy. And we've talked about this before at the international headquarters, but I genuinely believe that there's some people there that think L. Ron Hubbard is coming back.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I do too.
SPEAKER_04:He said to them he was coming back.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So they're like, he would never lie to us. Right. And so they really genuinely think that he's going to show up and they're going to have 30 years of tattletelling to do on David Miscavige. And I literally think that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_02:It really makes me sad to be able to do that.
SPEAKER_04:I know, but they're they you know the people too.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Ray Midoff, Wendell Reynolds, Mark Yeager, Mark Yeager, Diana Hubbard. Yeah. All of these people. Shelly. Shelly Miscavige.
SPEAKER_00:Shelly is probably top of the list. She's dying to tattle on Dave at this point. Are you good?
SPEAKER_04:They are literally like when the old man comes back, you are so toast. And I think that's always why I think that David Miscavige doesn't believe in Scientology.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:Because if he believed in Scientology, he would believe that L. Ron Hubbard was coming back. And he knows L. Ron Hubbard's not coming back, but he plays the game like he is. So he had the building built. And that's the other thing.
SPEAKER_00:Bonnie view, L. Ron Hubbard's home.
SPEAKER_04:If he's like, we got to get this building built, El Rate said he was coming back in 2007. If they're if they're jamming it, they're all waiting, like, oh yeah, 2007. I just got to get to 2007. And you are so toast, Davy boy. And then they build the house, and then he doesn't come back in 2007. I don't know. That's where I would have a crisis if I was one of those guys. Because like he said he was coming back in 2007. He didn't come back. And now it's like we've been waiting 20 years, the countdown to 2000 or 26 or 21 or whatever the age was.
SPEAKER_00:But that's also where cognitive dissonance kicks in and all those other elements of you know.
SPEAKER_04:Is that you?
SPEAKER_00:No, it's not me. I violent is mine.
SPEAKER_04:You got other devices you're hiding in there.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Um, it might have been mine. I didn't say what how long. Sorry, guys. This is we're having amateur hours today. Um, yes. Okay. Hey, now that you said that, it was her microphone. She had something that was creating a feedback loop, and that's why we had to rip the whole studio apart.
SPEAKER_00:Speaking of tattletales, my goodness. Okay. Oh boy. Your turn. Oh, yes. So so Ron Miscavige Sr. Uh I can't remember what year it was, but it was early 2000s and um, or maybe late 90s, yeah. Late 90s, early 2000s, and Shelly Miscavige came to see me at the time I was responsible for correcting management, anyone in gold, anyone that was doing submissions.
SPEAKER_04:This is when you were director of correction AVC.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, in Religious Technology Center.
SPEAKER_04:So this is when that stands for authorization, verification, and correction, and she was the correction part of that.
SPEAKER_00:The C in the A V C. And so Shelly would oftentimes give me orders of, you know, do this with this person, do this with this person, do this with this person. Well, specifically speaking a correctional item.
SPEAKER_04:Correctional items items like making them look up words or read policies.
SPEAKER_00:Find out what they've got going on because they're acting weird around David Miscavige, or word clear, you know, word clear them on David Miscavige's orders to get them done, things like that.
SPEAKER_04:We can't let that just slide. That is an actual thing that you could get in trouble for at the international headquarters, acting weird around David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_00:Which is the point of my story today.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but also weird is completely subjective and completely different to any people, other people each person.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and not like you would never it in like translating that to real world, that's just not a thing.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, no way. Like if you literally sneezed a bunch of times, that would be it.
SPEAKER_00:If you were if you kept scratching your nose or you were just acting bored in a meeting.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, okay. You gotta tell that. We have to tell that story about when I fell asleep in one of David Miscavige's meetings. Remember when I had the contacts and I fell asleep in the meeting? I don't remember trouble.
SPEAKER_00:I don't remember that. Okay. So back to this one. It's like a rabbit hole talking about David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not gonna say anything, I'm gonna let you talk. Keep talking.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So um Ron Sr. was in music, and um the sp this specific time was Shelly says, Oh, Ron keeps messing up his conversations with David Scavenge.
SPEAKER_04:I remember that.
SPEAKER_00:Like, dude, it's his dad.
SPEAKER_04:This was this was in the late 90s. I remember this because uh at that time um I was working with the musicians and I think I was either the assistant producer or the producer. So yeah, it was 1990s, early 2000s, somewhere in there maybe.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And he couldn't, every time Dave would ask him questions, he wouldn't answer he would answer a not the question he was asking or stuff like that. I totally remember that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, which to in my to my mind, in retrospect, more had to do with lack of sleep. Uh very and you know, I mean, hey, who reacts well when someone's screaming and cussing at you at the top of their lungs? I mean, seriously, and and not only that, it's your own father.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but also nobody was sleeping.
SPEAKER_00:Your son, I mean your son is yelling at you. What dad responds well to their son cussing them out full time, right?
SPEAKER_04:But also, it was like David Miscavige or Ron Miscavige is talking weird to Dave. No, he's talking weird to everybody. He's an old man who hasn't slept in a week. He was talking that way to everybody around him. It wasn't just Dave. He wasn't singling him out to be weird with.
SPEAKER_00:No. So Shelly's big solution to this was hey, um, you know, uh on on grade zero, there's all these processes that are supposed to make sorry about that. That's all right.
SPEAKER_04:I just smoked out your camera.
SPEAKER_00:Things got a little blurry. Um so there's all these Hubbard processes that are supposed to make it so that allegedly are supposed to make it so you can communicate about any subject, no matter how difficult, uh, have a conversation with anybody, yada yada. So Shelley's big bright idea was hey, let's use those uh with Ron Sr. Um so that he can talk to his dad properly. So that went on for months.
SPEAKER_04:I remember that now. That was so funny. I can't even believe that that and that's just a Tuesday, really. Like where you have to do something like that. That same thing happened with so many staff.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Glenda, I gotta put this up. I can see, yeah, I could see people trying so hard to not look weird that they start acting weird.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:That's exactly what would happen. People are so anxious that they're gonna do the wrong thing or say the wrong thing.
SPEAKER_00:That is, and that is what led to the whole Piface campaign that David Miscavige launched because he was like, hmm, I don't know. Why are people acting weird amount around me? You're all pie face.
SPEAKER_04:Here, go like this. There you go.
SPEAKER_00:Okay then. Well, now my now my microphone is gone. We gotta move this afterwards. We're gonna we're gonna do some.
SPEAKER_04:I think I was moving the table and the table.
SPEAKER_00:Oh boy.
SPEAKER_04:Anyway, yes, that was a definite um thing that happened all the time. Oh, let's see if your camera's any good. Oh, it's perfect, actually. Let's see.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, there we go.
SPEAKER_04:I'm kind of jealous of the Mormon stories. They have a very cool setup. I mean, we did throw this together from stuff laying around in my shop, but yeah, they do have a purpose-built setup that is pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. That and that's off topic, but that the to me, that was such a great two days of learning so much about the parallels between Mormonism and Scientology. I was blown away. Uh Nache, at Clara Carter is the Mormon Stories interview one of the first both Claire and Mark did together. I think it is the first one. I think it is.
SPEAKER_04:I mean with sides for TV shows and films and movies.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we filmed before together. Ironically, the longest one we ever filmed together was for ABC Nightline, and that one, Scientology got it shut down before it ever aired. Yeah. And even that was not such a long deep dive with both of us.
SPEAKER_04:Most of the time We did make the entire camera crew cry on that one. We pretty much had them all in tears on that one. That was a good emotional storytelling episode. And they were like, this is gonna be the best episode we've ever done. And then it was then it never came out. And I was like, yeah, good job, guys.
SPEAKER_00:I get goosebumps thinking about it because I remember that moment. I remember we were sitting upstairs in our living room, and it was kind of lit like it was dark, and the but we were under the bright lights filming. And I was talking, and then all of a sudden I noticed like people wipe wiping away tears. And I looked over you and you were crying, and I was just like, oh my gosh, it's it was a lot of anyway.
SPEAKER_04:Um, Pi face, somebody said we talked about Pi face and we never really explained what that was.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:In in the C organization, same time period, 19 late 90s, early 2000s, around there somewhere. Yeah. Um, because if you if David Miscavitch asked you a yes or no question, if you answered yes, you were wrong, and if you answered no, you were wrong. And if you gave an explanation, well, then you were completely wrong.
SPEAKER_00:And and not only that, excuse me, whoever would end up responding would most like nine times out of ten become the sacrificial lamb and become the main focus and target.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So there became more and more of a reluctance to be to be that person.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah. So David Miscavige, we'd be in these meetings with 20 people around a giant table, and there'd be people standing behind the people at the table, and he'd go, like, Does anybody know why I can't get this done? And everybody'd be like, I surely do not know. And everybody would just be standing in there, just like and then he would ask somebody directly, What do you know about this? And the person would just sit there. They wouldn't say anything. It was kind of the craziest thing in the world. It was like they're thinking, if I answer him, he's gonna get mad that I answered him. I interrupted him. So I'm not gonna say anything, I'm just gonna let him keep yelling, and then it'll be fine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And so people would get wrong. So people would just sit there, and then he would just start screaming and yelling and throwing shit. And so eventually he would he would accuse everybody of being pie face, and he drew this circle with these slight slit eyes and a straight mouth and a nose, and it was just like and that was it. And then those got posted all over the conference rooms, those pictures.
SPEAKER_00:And it was like, don't be pie faced um those button badges that he would put on people pin on badges that were pie faced. It was just white. I mean, it was just a circle with any of our kids could do a better job in terms of artwork. There was nothing artistic about it.
SPEAKER_04:Uh you know what it actually looked like? Oh, you keep talking. I'm gonna find the picture that it used to look like.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Yeah, anyway, so yeah, for a for a while that would be a thing. Like he would have badges that were posters, Pi face. And at the time, Marty Rathbin was the uh David Miscavige's second in command. So he even started doing what's called rollbacks, where he would put somebody on the e-meter and ask when uh you know, uh, who would just like he'd put the person on the e-meter who had just been quote unquote pie face with David Miscavige to find out where they got that idea from and roll it back to find out who was spreading the enemy line that David Miscavige is hard to talk to. Remember that?
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Relax, dude. He is though. He's a psycho. Anyway, all right, that's what I had to say.
SPEAKER_04:So Okay, I can't find the thing. I found it, but I can't get it to present it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's all right.
SPEAKER_04:It's the um Where's the Gold At leprechaun sketch? Okay, if you know the very famous viral video, Where the Gold At um uh with the leprechaun sketch, the amateur uh leprechaun sketch, that is very similar to what David Miscavige's Pi Face sketch looked like.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The Lembercon was much more detailed. Okay, what's another good story? And then I think we should probably uh think about doing a giveaway.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, sounds good. Um, okay, so we talk oh, and and also, okay, so talking about Ron and Becky, rest in peace. Yeah, David Miscavige was also super opposed to Becky.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, that's right.
SPEAKER_00:Like so derogatory.
SPEAKER_04:Uh she got a lot of flack just for being together.
SPEAKER_00:Unbelievable. She was the one of the she had the capacity to just maintain this like vivacious, bubbly personality when most people had long since been worn down, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And also, yeah, she was very positive no matter how much he dunked on her. Yeah, it was just like whatever.
SPEAKER_00:She was always put together, would always have her hair done, her makeup on, like you know, all of that, which you know is not common. No, it's not, it's not.
SPEAKER_04:Some yeah, some gals hadn't had makeup on in over a decade. Yeah. That's like how often people put some of the women that this in the Sea Org put makeup on. It's just an it's just an extra giant waste of time that is no one cares about.
SPEAKER_00:And not to mention the fact, I mean, when you're getting$46 a week, and if you then drink coffee and you smoke cigarettes, I mean, you're not gonna have much money left over for Mac makeup. Best case scenario, it's gonna be Walmart generic brand. You think if you're lucky.
SPEAKER_04:Did they sell makeup and stuff like that in the canteen?
SPEAKER_00:Um ever remembered that. No, they didn't, but at one point they had um actually that was uh uh something being pushed by Shelly Miscavige was to get all the women wearing makeup and the makeup artists in Cine had AVITA discounts. Yes. So uh for a little bit, it was short-lived again, because forty forty-six dollars a week doesn't allow much of a budget for the most of the people ordering a Vita through makeup, because I was the pre-production director over makeup, most of the were his RTC.
SPEAKER_04:There wasn't a lot of regular folks ordering makeup from Avita direct from the because we had it, we were a distributor, Golden Era Productions was like a distributor, or we bought through a distributor for Avita.
SPEAKER_00:You know what I remember most about Avita is that it's like, oh, can we we're gonna get Avita now? So we got shampoo, and I'm like, it smells so good because Avita shampoo was not unscented.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, which was also another weird thing because you weren't allowed to have anything scented in the C organization. But because Shelly Miscavige and David Miscavige used Avita, then everybody could use Avita, even though it had perfume in it. Exactly and fragrance in it. Yes, yeah, but it was they I don't remember. There was some excuse. It was like, no, no, they're essential oils. They're an eck that it's an extract, it's not really perfume, but it's right on there, fragrance, like right on the contents.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it did.
SPEAKER_04:Gosh darn it. Yeah, we were there was a lot of stinky Sea Org members.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_04:Some people did. I mean, if you're not allowed to wear scented deodorant, then you gotta buy like unscented deodorant, and that's expensive. It was expensive, it was cheaper to buy the scented stuff. Yes, so you would just not wear it. There were people that were just like, oh, deodorant. That's like kind of like a suggestion. So yeah, there was a lot of there was also a lot of people that weren't from the United States, so they might have different customs and cultures in those countries depending at the differ that differ from white folks in Hemet, California in the middle of uh the desert. But yeah, I tell you right now, I got fragrance in just about everything I wear.
SPEAKER_00:We were jam it up. Oh, thoroughly embraced the fragrance. Like I love smelling good. And you I love you smelling good too, by the way.
SPEAKER_04:Uh Betsy Sue, Osa smells like poo.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, there we go. Yes indeed.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I don't know why. Um I don't know why people say osa smells like poo. I think that was uh started on the internet, but um I think I think Denver Stevo started that. Osa smells like poo?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I don't know. I've never really smelt them up close, the Osa folks. But I mean, yeah. They're old.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And they're been in the same room sitting in that chair. So, I mean, it's not a it's not a stretch, probably. No, it's not they do deal with a lot of poo.
SPEAKER_00:They sure do.
SPEAKER_04:Um okay, let's get Damper Stevo. Um, okay, let's uh do you want to do some questions and then we'll do the giveaway at the end.
SPEAKER_00:Let's let's do the giveaway now.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, geez, Louise.
SPEAKER_00:Remember because I I I have to bump out in in 10 minutes.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, bump out.
SPEAKER_00:Just a reminder.
SPEAKER_04:Is that a technical thing? Bump out?
SPEAKER_00:I believe so.
SPEAKER_04:I think you 100% made that up. It means nothing. Bump out.
SPEAKER_00:Picky picky.
SPEAKER_04:Sounds like a drug reference.
SPEAKER_00:In ten minutes, I will be exiting the studio for Foundation Feed Series number nine, uh, part two with Phil Jones and Ian Rafalco. This stream will automatically redirect, but yes, there it is. There you go.
SPEAKER_04:We're doing a fake Navy dog uh photo contest. We're gonna pick three winners. Here's some examples. We have these are the prizes. We've been getting some great. Is that I think that's a you gave me the wrong one. That's the one Clara sent you that has other stuff on it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, well, there you go.
SPEAKER_04:That's it.
SPEAKER_00:Aren't I special?
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Um anyway, these guys. There's a whole bunch of these guys. Look, I got the three blind Davies, the three, no, they're mustering up behind your laptop right there. See no, hear no, speak no. But I can't make their face, I can't make their arms do anything except for that one guy I was able to get to do a no sino or something. Yeah. Um, get your fake Davy doll over at the SP shop. All the uh proceeds go to submitting uh supporting the Aftermath Foundation, the Michael J. Render Aftermath Foundation, helping people get out of Scientology or get back on their feet after they escape. Um and um if you take a picture with this guy and send it in, you can enter in to win uh Mike Bobblehead or Leah Bobblehead.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, exactly. And so I I'm just looking at the calendar. So on our next live, yeah, we'll be in October.
SPEAKER_04:So we'll that'll be the first one to announce a September winner. So send in your photos, you guys. You've got a few more days to send in your photos of your fake Navy Davy dolls and um wherever they may be, whatever they may be doing. And I don't want to say let's try to push the limits of YouTube, but if you do, we may show it. I don't know. I don't know what the limits are. We might have to find out, we might have to see where the line is so we can. They are?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, of course they are.
SPEAKER_00:It's the best.
SPEAKER_04:Bumping out to the gym. Thank you. I'm telling you, look at this. Hello, everyone. I hope you enjoy the article. I'm bumping out to the gym. Telling you this is not a thing.
SPEAKER_00:Clara says she's gonna have to bump out in 10 minutes, too.
SPEAKER_04:Oh my god. You know what?
SPEAKER_00:They get me. Uh it's all good. I get it that you don't. Um it's all good. Warning may cause alarm and distress. Apostate Alex.
SPEAKER_04:This guy. I don't know. If you're alarmed and distressed over this, then that's a whole nother level of craziness because this is he's got a but but hold on.
SPEAKER_00:There's a there's there's an important point to be made here. There's a an important point to be made here. Yes. Okay, apostate Alex's comment is in regards to last year's protest at the International Association of Scientologists event at St. Hill in the UK. Yeah, and some of the protesters had David dolls, and the police officer told Alex that Scientologists had alleged that these were causing alarm and distress. Okay, flip side though, Scientologists believe that they have the technology to confront and shatter suppression.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so if that's the case, and they're able to confront and shatter suppression, how on earth is this little doll causing alarm and distress?
SPEAKER_04:He's very powerful.
SPEAKER_00:It's just to state the obvious.
SPEAKER_04:He's a very powerful little guy. Um fake Navy Davy. You gotta get one. Spshop.com.
SPEAKER_00:While supplies last.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, let's uh let's see if we could do a giveaway. If I um I might have to go down here. Let's see. Oh yeah, here we go. Hold on. Hold on. There we go. We're doing it. And where'd it go? Here it is. There we go. I did it. It's a miracle. Okay. Um it says there's only a hundred people. Is that true? Maybe it is. Maybe only a hundred people called me.
SPEAKER_00:So just reminder to be entered into the giveaway, you have to comment. So if you want to get any comments in the Well, they just did.
SPEAKER_04:I pulled the trigger. I'm just it is what it is.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, for for next week. Now you know.
SPEAKER_04:Mrs. Woozy. Oh, Toyia. Has that person won before?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:They have?
SPEAKER_00:I believe so.
SPEAKER_04:Unbelievable.
SPEAKER_00:Well, congratulations.
SPEAKER_04:Congratulations, double winner. This this have we had double winners before? People who've won more than one?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, a couple here and there.
SPEAKER_04:Really?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:Wow. You gotta get more people in here.
SPEAKER_00:If I remember correctly, this is the person that asked for um a copy of my book, which you know isn't done yet.
SPEAKER_04:Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It's only two people I've done that with. I have a list. I don't want to lose. Oh, really? Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, you're really over overextending your share. You gotta do the book before you can reserve giveaways.
SPEAKER_00:I know, I know, I know, but it was a special request, and I I um I'm not very good at saying no, so I agreed to it. But anyway, congratulations on the winner. Send me an email, Claire at baloneforgood.com with um what you oh, we're doing the fake navy Davy. That's that's yes, fake navy day.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, sorry, Miss Sorry, Mrs. Woozy. You were the second runner up.
SPEAKER_00:So Miss Woozy, you know what? I commented, but I I'm overruling. Miss Woozy was in chat for like 11 hours at Mormon Stories. So you're just giving her I'm giving her a Davy doll.
SPEAKER_04:Wow, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:Send me an email, Clara at Blownforgood.com with your advantage.
SPEAKER_04:Two winners in one draw. Two winners. Look at that.
SPEAKER_00:How much of a pushover am I? There you go.
SPEAKER_04:There you go. So is it Tuya?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:We'll call it Touya. Um Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:Clara says, I feel like 11 hours earns it. LOL. I agree. I'm with Clara. Here, right here.
SPEAKER_04:My thing must be behind.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. See?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, there it is. It just showed up. Okay. Um, yeah, there you go. Oh my god, seriously, that's amazing. There you go. Congratulations, Mrs. Woozy.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So Claire at blownforgood.com, send me your address and we'll get that off to you. Same for both winners.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, what was the email again?
SPEAKER_00:There we go. We got you.
SPEAKER_04:Okay. Oh, yeah, Claire put it in there.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_04:Um, okay, good, good, good. Okay. So you want to I'll do a few questions here while we're waiting.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Um, if people even put questions in here, or do we want to tell another uh Davy Davy story?
SPEAKER_00:Um here.
SPEAKER_04:Well, here's one.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:There you go.
SPEAKER_00:All right, Trevin on question. Think thinking of a third episode with John, there are comments asking for that. Oh, that would be amazing.
SPEAKER_04:Well, that's up to John and and and Margie. I mean, we're not we're not gonna dictate that, but yeah, if you want to do want them to do another one with us, comment on their video of uh Mormon Studios podcast.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because Or Mormon Stories.
SPEAKER_04:Did I say Mormon Studios?
SPEAKER_00:Mormon Stories. Yeah, um, Mormon Stories podcast. What I think would if we if we had that opportunity, I would do a deep dive in the stories from when we got out. Much of what you put in the outline for your book, too, if you ever wrote a second book.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like all the things, like all the things that happened to us.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, we didn't really get into that much of the fair game and and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_00:No, or even even just like the story of how we ended up getting our belongings back.
SPEAKER_04:That is the best. We should do that on our uh channel, though. We should we gotta get that. Let's just decide that is what we're doing next week.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, digitize those that list, that document, get it as a PDF, talk about all the details of the documents.
SPEAKER_04:And we'll just go through that whole thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, perfect.
SPEAKER_04:That is gonna be an amazing episode. There's police involved, there's interstate uh possible contraband transport. There's all telling you this is a very, very jam-packed action. This could be it's this could be an episode of blown for good. Just that one thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, agreed. Agreed. There's a lot to do.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, we're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_00:That's it. Pretty awesome.
SPEAKER_04:Okay, sorry about that. Trevin on, you gotta talk to your people. Or get your get the people to talk to your people.
SPEAKER_00:We'll we'll do it too. I'll I'll you'll do it.
SPEAKER_04:You'll be you'll do talk to people too.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I talk to lots of people. I I would beg to argue I talk to more people than you do.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, that's for sure. Is somebody contesting that?
SPEAKER_00:I was just stating for the record, you know. Anyway, it's been real, everybody. I'm gonna pop it in. Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_04:And then I then you can go.
SPEAKER_00:All right, what is it?
SPEAKER_04:Then you're free.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What is the likelihood of Miscavige remaining faithful to Shelly since she has been disappeared? I'm guessing unlikely. Yeah, I would say zero chance of that. Personally, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:The um, we're back on me. Um, the chances, the likelihood is probably low, I'd say.
SPEAKER_00:Bump it out.
SPEAKER_04:But um Claire's bumping out. Look, there she is. She gone. She gone. She gone. There you go. Empty. Um I don't think that he I mean, I don't know. How can you? She's in the middle of a vault somewhere in Washington or California or New Mexico, who knows which vault she's in these days. Um the two locations that we 100% know that she was either at or registered to live at was the the place in it's called the Church of Spiritual Technology, and it's they have these underground bunkers. This is real, this is reality. Um, and that's where all of L. Ron Hubbard's writings and recordings are stored, etched onto metal plates and recorded, mastered onto gold records. And they have a solar record player that's got a hand crank on it, too. If you want to listen to L. Ron Hubbard at night, which everybody's gonna want to do that when there's after the apocalypse. Um, I just can't even imagine listening to this fuddy duddy on a solar-powered record player with gold records, by the way. Now, I don't know that Scientology thought this through, okay? If you are at in the post-apocalyptic world and you get into one of these bunkers, which they obviously mean for people to get into them after the apocalypse, if you break into one of these bunkers or get into one of these bunkers and it's filled with titanium and gold, I'm not sure that you ain't gonna be melting those records down and using those as a currency. I don't know that Scientology is really popular. Okay. Um, question Do you remember the first time you ever met Miscavige? Absolutely. The first time that I ever met Miscavige was right outside the Hollywood Guarantee Building. Uh, it's in my book. And I was with my um friend Jesse Randstrom, who had joined the Sea Org a year prior to me, and he was coming to the same building that I was working at to get his clearances, his security clearances through the Sea Organization, to be able to go work uh at the international headquarters. And he knew my friend Jesse knew David Miscavige from Clearwater because he was in the Commodore's messenger organization in Clearwater. And so we were just walking down the street after getting a piece of pizza across the street from the uh HGB, and David Miscavige was there, and he walked right up to him and he was like, Yes, sir, da-da-da. And he was talking, and I was just hanging back, and then he had a whole conversation with him, and then I walked, uh, he walked back to where I was, and then we walked inside the building, and I was like, Who was that? And he's like, That was COB. And I was like, Who the who's COB? Like, I had no clue who David Miscavige was. And then um, and then we went um back to Muster. He went off to do his security clearances, and I went back to my organization to where we have Muster after every meal. You gotta line up so they can count all the chickens, uh, Seoric chickens. And um, and uh Rena Weinberg was the executive director of Able at the time, and she's like, COB is in the building. If anybody, you gotta tell us. And I was like, Oh yeah, no shit he's in the building. I just we just talked to him outside on the sidewalk, and everybody was like freaking out. Like, you've got to tell us if you had a conversation with COB. Um, yeah, it was a lot. Okay, uh, thank you, Alex. Um dump bump do. Question Did you ever go to the Hemet Mall Wild Family 1996? Thanks for that. Um, yes, uh, so we did have um a few hours on Sunday morning where we were supposed to do our laundry, and a lot of people would do their laundry during the week because there's just you know, there's 400 people trying to do their laundry in three machines. So you would do it if you all did it at the same time, you wouldn't end up doing it. So um some people would just do their laundry early in the week, make their bed, and then jam over to the mall. The mall, I had a skateboard uh for a while, and I also had a bike at that time, I think. And you could ride to the mall in like five, ten minutes. And then um, yeah, we would go in the mall and look around and mainly window shop. Most of us didn't have any money. But if you had a few bucks, I mean you could buy a pair of tennis shoes or something like that. That's where you'd get it. But almost everybody went to Walmart to do that because Walmart was very, very cheap, and they had cheap shoes and cheap t-shirts and cheap underwear and stuff like that. So most of the time we would just go to Walmart to get that stuff. Um, but I don't ever remember I don't ever remember really buying anything at the mall. I would save almost all of my money, and there was a record store, I think it was called Florida Avenue. There was a record store on Florida Avenue, and that's where I would do my shopping. That's gonna do it for us this week, guys. Thanks for everybody who joined. Um, this uh video is gonna redirect to the aftermath uh channel for the foundation feed. I think it's episode number nine. They're gonna do uh the second part of the interview with Ian Rafanko, and uh we will see you next week, and we will do the uh story we talked about next week. So you guys are gonna love that. So please tune in, like, subscribe, all that happy hoo-haw. Until next time. We have Hail Zenu, Xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads, shirts, mugs, all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book, Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology, in hardback, Kindle, and Audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast, and you can get that on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you. You listen to podcasts. And if you'd like to watch another video, you can click on this link right here, or you can click on this one here, or you can click on the subscribe button right here. 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