Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
From Escape to Inventory: How Scientology Packed Our Lives into 60 Boxes - Scientology Secrets #15
How we escaped the Sea Org in January 2005 and tried to get a basic life back. What followed was a masterclass in control: family emails crafted under supervision that said “love you” while enforcing disconnection; a senior exec telling us our declares were “on hold” when the paperwork was stamped the day after we fled; and a hostage-style handoff in a bus station lot where our dog and a rented truck full of bankers’ boxes were exchanged for signatures and a reaction to our declares.
The boxes were the tell. Sixty brand-new bankers’ boxes, each itemized down to “Birds Bees cap,” “two Lifesavers,” and “half bottle skin cream.” The inventory—50-plus pages—was designed to shield Scientology from theft claims, but it exposed something deeper: passports and civil documents listed among our possessions, proof they’d been held. When a highway patrolman in Kansas pulled us over at the state line and asked why our “friends” had packed our lives, that same list became our witness. He checked box after box; every entry matched. After three identical retellings and a K-9 almost en route, the sergeant let us go. Either it was the most insane true story he’d heard, or we were the best liars. The paperwork saved us because it revealed the whole system: denial of disconnection, pressure to “route out,” coerced agreements, and total inventory of a private life.
We talk about what was missing—wedding video and photos that showed other Sea Org members—and why that matters. We share how starting over looked small and stubborn: a cheap motel bath for a neglected Dalmatian, fixing computers from a kitchen table, walking to a pizza shop, Netflix DVDs, sleep. We cover payoffs, NDAs, and how some people get quiet jobs to keep family contact. We also answer audience questions about base shutdowns, events, and what law enforcement has actually seen.
If stories like this help you spot the patterns—disconnection, “routing out,” withheld documents, weaponized logistics—share this episode. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: which detail from the inventory shocked you most?
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, hey, hey. Happy Sunday, everybody. Thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00:Um, it froze on my screen, so hopefully it didn't freeze on your screen. I said this that it would freeze as soon as we started. Um you sure did.
SPEAKER_03:You predicted the future.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. So hopefully we're not freezing up for everybody, but um we'll see. I don't know. I don't know what it is. Uh Clara says it's good, so we're gonna we're gonna go with it being good. Um, I'm gonna switch to the main camera there. And um, there we go. Um, so even if it is freezing on our end, or on our end, it looks like it's good for everybody else.
SPEAKER_03:I hope so.
SPEAKER_00:Wow, we've already got 70 people in here, guys. So we're gonna just jam through the comments here, wait for a few more people to show up.
SPEAKER_03:Especially, especially since we're getting input that we are frozen. So we're good. Froze. Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, we're frozen, but the comments come up, so you can keep reading those.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome. Um share, hello from the Netherlands. Nice. Thank you for being here, Clara. Hey everyone, look forward, looking forward to an amazing live stream today. Thanks for being here, Clara. We always appreciate you. Bokbuddy, hello from Minnesota.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, hold on. I'm gonna hold on, I'm gonna do something here. Hey guys.
SPEAKER_03:That's the backstage cam. There you go. We're unfrozen now, I think. Uh okay, Cher, hello from the Netherlands again. Uh, Tracy, howdy from Wyoming. Good to see you. Wild family. Hello from Hammett, California.
SPEAKER_00:Valley of the Beast.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my goodness, a town we know all too well. Christina. A heartfelt hello from Germany. Nice. Sherry, hello, all from Minnesota. Awesome. Rose Waterhouse. Hi from the Willamette Valley, Oregon.
SPEAKER_00:Willamet met Willametta. Willameta.
SPEAKER_03:Mary Kay London. Happy Sunday from Albuquerque, host International Balloon Fiesta. Yeah, we've been there many times.
SPEAKER_00:We've done the balloon fest, a whole bunch.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, balloon fiesta, not balloon fest. Uh, at Sherry N. Hey, I was born in Minnesota. Grand Moray. Nice.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, there's somebody else.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Rose says at least Claire can say it right. Boom! Finally. Hi, Rose. I'm on the other side of the state in Moorhead. Grand Moray is beautiful. Becky, hello from holiday in Greece. Nice. We'll catch up on replay crew. Steve, go time. Hello from Louisiana. Yes, go time indeed. Never dull moment over.
SPEAKER_00:So many people in here today.
SPEAKER_03:Terese, hi from Indianapolis, Indiana. Todd Johnson, Samish, Washington. All right. Christine, hi from Chili Walk. Grace Case. Hello from Austin. Nice. I like that name. Hi from Sweden. Awesome. Hello from Arizona. Nice.
SPEAKER_01:Uh oh, you're missing a mom.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I know. You're going way too fast. Hello from upstate New York. Oh my gosh. Mark is on a roll today, folks. Hello from Ontario, Canada. Sherry Lynn, December. Hello from Tennessee.
SPEAKER_00:I'm afraid to switch over to your camera that it'll freeze. See?
SPEAKER_03:I think we're frozen again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because I switched over to your camera. Gosh, guys, we had this all good and I all good. And I said it was probably freeze on the uh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Hola. Code Monkey. Hola, Thetan Dwellers. Yes, there you go. Good fella. Hi from Copenhagen. All right.
SPEAKER_00:We got a lot. There you go. There's people from everywhere. We can't read them all. We're going to struggle.
SPEAKER_03:Go time. All right. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Hello from Necessary Trouble.
SPEAKER_01:There we go. We got to burn through these.
SPEAKER_03:B invasion from Colorado.
SPEAKER_01:Awesome.
SPEAKER_03:Hello from Florida. Nice. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Let's see if we do this. Okay, guys.
SPEAKER_03:The BTs are messing with us because it's going to be such a good stream. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Did you hear that?
SPEAKER_03:I did hear that.
SPEAKER_00:That's my BT alarm. When they get near, I don't know. I have a little sense.
SPEAKER_03:We'll have to see if anyone. Comment if you hear any strange noises. We've got some alien invasion going on here.
SPEAKER_00:Every time somebody mentions BTs, I gotta hit them. Okay. Um, we have so much today.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, we do.
SPEAKER_00:We have so much.
SPEAKER_03:We do.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna do a giveaway at the end for Davy Dahl. We have the Davy Dahl photo contest winners for the first month. A little shaky on the the administration of that, but we're still gonna do the giveaways.
SPEAKER_03:We'll get there. We'll be better for next month, folks.
SPEAKER_00:And then we have a lot we th we re we're not gonna do, we're not gonna feed into an aftermath video today because for one, the Broncos were playing the game today, and we had to watch that. We beat Philly. So let's ride. Go Broncos. Go Broncos.
SPEAKER_03:But then we're the most unlikeliest football fans in the world.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But hey.
SPEAKER_00:We'll get some Broncos stuff in here. Look at this. I did a Broncos 7K back there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like 10 years ago.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, but still I did it. Yeah. It's pretty good for a fatty to run a 7K.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god. Stop it with your body shaming.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Anyway. Um, so we gotta we have a story. We've been talking about this story for years that we're gonna do this because it's a crazy story.
SPEAKER_03:Well, it was to be fair, it was gonna be in your book two.
SPEAKER_00:It still is in the book two.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it still is in your book two. But we're gonna blow it. We're gonna blow it. Life's gotten in the way, and we figured, you know, we should just get this out there because it's some crazy stuff.
SPEAKER_00:It's gonna be amazing. You're gonna love it, guys. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So it doesn't get much better than this. If you know Mark and his storytelling capacity, this is one that belongs in the archives of Blown for Good Scientology Exposed. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think we've told this story to a lot of people. Even in private, we really haven't told it.
SPEAKER_03:We've told it to some people in private, but not a lot. No, no.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so let's try something here. I'm gonna go to me and I'm gonna go to here. It worked. Yay!
SPEAKER_02:Hit me up here.
SPEAKER_00:BTs are very uh they're very finicky BTs, these BTs. My BTs up until now just like to eat a lot. We got some weird techno BTs in here now. Not a fan of these techno BTs. Oh, did I say BTs?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. We we had a we had a soup con soup cook off. Oh yeah, we had a soup.
SPEAKER_00:We had a soup off. We had a mom off with soups.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, while watching the Broncos game. It was pretty epic.
SPEAKER_00:Do we know who won? Did they read the results as we won the soups?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, our neighbor won.
SPEAKER_00:Well, of course our neighbor won. It was all our neighbors that were the doing the soups.
SPEAKER_03:The hostess won.
SPEAKER_00:What was the soup that won?
SPEAKER_03:It was uh Zupa Toscano. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What what how did the how did yours do?
SPEAKER_03:It would it did pretty good. It was a runner-up.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:I know. It was good though.
SPEAKER_03:It was good.
SPEAKER_00:Do we have any leftovers?
SPEAKER_03:Of course we do.
SPEAKER_00:Good job.
unknown:Good job, babe.
SPEAKER_03:We I made a chicken pot pie soup, which was the bomb.
SPEAKER_00:Creamy chicken pot pie.
SPEAKER_03:Creamy chicken pot pie.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, can we read this now?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, we can do this.
SPEAKER_00:Amazing. Okay. So moving out in Scientology. Okay, so this is gonna give a little bit of backstory too, though.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_00:So you're gonna do most of the reading. I do have my reading glasses on, but let's not uh push me too much.
SPEAKER_03:So Claire's Escape, my escape. On January 24th, 2005, I escaped from Scientology. Upon departing, I reach out to Kirsten to Kirsten. This is Kirsten Catano. Yes. Who's now Kirsten, what, 6.0 or 7.0?
SPEAKER_00:No, no. Her she works at OSA and she's the one who deals with people that have escaped or are trying to escape. Yep. And then if they have escaped, she's basically the person that at the Office of Special Affairs and Scientology that monitors that those said people like us.
SPEAKER_03:So she's responsible for getting private investigators to track them down if they go astray, and or also putting them into positions where they're closely monitored, like getting them a job in a Scientology company, all those things to very closely monitor and keep control of um anyone to prevent them from speaking out. That's her role.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Right? So you were emailing with her.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And so, and for to set the backdrop. So January 24th is the day that I escaped. And um, and I knew when I escaped that Mark was about to be declared a suppressive person. And so I essentially, that was kind of part of my logic was well, I should get to you before you're declared. I mean, it doesn't make much sense in retrospect, but I was like, well, if he's not declared, then I'm justified in going to reunite with my husband, right? It doesn't make sense. But either way, uh, that was my mindset at the time, embarrassingly enough. Um, so when I I made it to you, and then uh, you know, I still was holding on, holding out hope that I might that we might be able to maintain relations with our family.
SPEAKER_00:Because we had not been told that we were declared suppressives.
SPEAKER_03:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And that we had been given an order. They when you are declared a suppressive person, they send you a piece of paper that says you're it says suppressive person declare, and then it has your name, so you know that you've been declared a suppressive person. So we didn't get that, we weren't told that.
SPEAKER_03:And that and that piece of paper also means that now it would be a you're not allowed to reach out to your family, or yes, that would be a further.
SPEAKER_00:They would get in trouble if they reached out to us.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So so I reached out to Kirsten uh a few days after arriving and reuniting with you in Kansas City. Yes. And I said, hey, we're here. What do we do? Like, what's our next steps? We'd prefer to stay in contact with our family. I mean, duh, right?
SPEAKER_00:Sure.
SPEAKER_03:If we can. If we can.
SPEAKER_00:It's a very, very slim chance that they will allow that.
SPEAKER_03:We're always a negative Nancy.
SPEAKER_00:And also, I wasn't corresponding with any of these people that I just ignored their calls, their emails. I think I might even have blocked them. But Claire, because she was playing nice, she was conversing back and forth with email to a whole bunch of different people.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, can I put do the next slide?
SPEAKER_03:Um, so hold on. Greg Wilhair. So, yeah, so I emailed Kirsten Catano and Greg Wilhair, who was second in command to David Miscavige. He was his right-hand man at the time. He is the one that responded to my email to Kirsten Catano. Greg Wilhair responds to let me know that we need to route out to avoid being declared. This is key. So here's the email. Okay. So hold on. Um, uh, to be fair, my email is completely cringy on the language. Um, and so therefore, Clara has very kindly provided a glossary of terms.
SPEAKER_00:Um we're gonna be here forever if the emails have glossaries, babe.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I know. So I said, dear Kirsten, this is Claire. I love how I didn't even include my last name.
SPEAKER_00:Like she was she knows which Claire it is. Out of all the Claire's that blew that that month.
SPEAKER_03:There were many Claire.
SPEAKER_00:There wasn't a lot of Claire's.
SPEAKER_03:In fact, there might not have been any Claire. Um, okay, hold on. I have to, this is too small for me. Um I wanted to get in calm with you.
SPEAKER_00:Uh that means in communication.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and find out what Mark and I need to do to get going on handling our current situation. When I saw GW, Greg Wilhair, in Vegas, i.e., when he intercepted me in the bus station, yeah, he told me I would be declared if I got on the bus. News flash, I got on the bus. Anyway, whatever. All the rest I'm not even gonna read through. Greg Wilhair responds and says, Dear Claire, it's on hold. And mind you, this is February 1st, 2005. Okay. You want you want, yeah, which is key to understanding.
SPEAKER_00:It's on hold. Listen and remember, this is in February, February 1st, it says 2005. It's on hold. Meanwhile, no, no, no, just keep reading because it's a good payoff when we get it. And it only will that it's only gonna happen at the end.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So keep going.
SPEAKER_03:You want to route out that that is how you avoid it. Est Greg W.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. All right. Disconnection. Claire also reaches out to her loved ones. Being declared an SP, suppressive person, means that loved ones who are still in Scientology have to disconnect, cease all communications, attach our emails between Claire and her mom Jen. And there's a picture of me at our on our wedding day with my mother, Jen Wit, aka Margaret Mary, Geraldine O. Sullivan, Ni Wit. Hi, Claire, got it, thank you. And this is my last message. Love you also very much. Kirsty, who's my half-sister, Kirsten, Kirsty called for advice because she received your email. Of course, she has been instructed that she cannot communicate with you. Okay, remember, just for context, Scientology says there is no such thing as disconnection. What does this tell you?
SPEAKER_00:And also, people make their own decision. They don't they're not told to disconnect or not to disconnect.
SPEAKER_03:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:This clearly goes against that. And it says, Your sister, your half-sister got an email from you and she knows she can't talk to you.
SPEAKER_03:Of course, she has been instructed that she cannot communicate with you. Hugh, my stepfather, said I should let Chantal, Chantal Mooney from um the pack base in Los Angeles, who at the time was an executive there in the Commodore's Messenger org, also born into Scientology. So, Chantal, if you ever want to get up, please do. Um, Chantal. So Hugh said I should let Chantal know, which I did.
SPEAKER_00:Hugh is your stepdad, by the way.
SPEAKER_03:Hugh is my stepdad. I said that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:I Hugh said I should let Chantal know, which I did. And Kirsty, my sister, will need to forward your message to Chantal without reading it. Yeah, that's Chantal's instructions.
SPEAKER_01:That's sending it to the church employee instead of her reading it and responding. It has to go to the church.
SPEAKER_03:Right. And to be clear, I never said anything bad. Kirsten had left me, um, had sent me a message saying she needed advice about something. It was like about her boyfriend or something mundane. And I was trying to be there for my sister. It just happened to be bad timing since I was escaping from a life of imprisonment after 30 years, right at the same time. So bad timing. I got a message also from um Mark's dad. Thanks. Love you again, Jen, my my mother.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:And then this is the last email I ever received from her, which was January 31st, 2005. She says, Love you too, darling. And I know I said the last message was the last, but I want to make sure you understand it will be known that you are with your Bernie. That's we just blocked blocked it out just for whatever. Because of your email address, because my my email was linked to his domain address at the time. Didn't think to spell it out. I figured you would have thought of that. Uh no, mom, I've been in prison in the C organization for 15 years. I don't know anything about the external operations they run on people. Clearly, she does.
SPEAKER_00:Was your email Claire at Bernster.net? My dad's name was Bernie, and he had his own domain that was burnster.net.
SPEAKER_03:So she said, didn't think to spell it out.
SPEAKER_00:Well, because he could just set up a free email.
SPEAKER_03:Right, right. I figured you would have thought of that, but perhaps not. So just making sure. She's she's literally paranoid. I mean, you can read that.
SPEAKER_00:Like we were trying to hide and we we outed ourselves. They knew where we were. It was it was there was no, there was no, and we also, to be fair, at this point, because they hadn't come after to come back, come out to get me, and now that you were there and they hadn't come to get you, we were like, We're in the clear. They ain't coming out here to try and get us.
SPEAKER_03:So, and this is exactly actually exactly one week after I'd escaped.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because I escaped January 24th, Monday, January 24th, and this is Monday, January 31st.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, also, Kirsty, my half-sister, did not understand. After she had forwarded the message, I told her she needed to delete it and not read it. She protested and said it was her message, and couldn't she keep it until you had handled things? This just makes me really sad.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. How old was she with this time? She was probably like 17 or 18 at this point.
SPEAKER_03:So I was 30, so she was, yeah, she was about to turn 20. She was in college. And and I had anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, keep going. It's a bummer.
SPEAKER_03:She didn't understand. But definitely best. No communication with her, honey. You know that. She knows you love her, you know she loves you. You know what you have to do. Love you lots again.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Shitty. They don't do disconnection, though. According to them, they don't do disconnection.
SPEAKER_03:This is it just my blood perfectly.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I'm gonna read this every time. I'm gonna read this.
SPEAKER_03:What do the words say to you folks?
SPEAKER_00:Moving. In April. Okay, yeah. So now we've been gone since January. Since I was gone on the 4th.
SPEAKER_03:And I escaped on January 24th. So I mine was 20 days after you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And so realize that we left with absolutely nothing. Yeah, we love you.
SPEAKER_00:This is it. No, no, necessary trouble. These emails are insane. We love you so much, but we are never gonna talk to you again.
SPEAKER_03:Love you, mama.
SPEAKER_00:Love you, lots of love. Love you again was the first one, and then love you lots, I think was the second one. Let's go look at that. Let's go look at all the love.
SPEAKER_05:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Love you again, Jen, and then love you lots again. Love you too again. Mama. And she says mama.
SPEAKER_03:I know, which she never being, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:These emails are being crafted by OSA, OSA, the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology, Dirty Tricks Department, the ones who perpetrated the largest infiltration in the United States government in its history. And they are trying to uh m manufacture these emails so that they'll make us want to come back and route out. Now, the significance of routing out is that when you go back, when they do get you back, because now they're like, you're done, we're out, but you have to route out properly. You have to do a routing form that takes you to all these people.
SPEAKER_03:AKA, sign all of our documents, sign all our NDA, sign all our agreements.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna give you$500 to get interrogated. Yeah, no, but also we're gonna basically make the contracts legal now because we're gonna exchange cash for these. And then that that way in court or anything help comes up later, you have no say-so. But the other thing they're gonna do is when you go back, they're gonna get you to do interrogations and they're gonna make you confess things. And then if you do say something in the future, then they'll use the things that you confessed that you're confessing so that you can get out and not be under their thumb anymore. They're gonna use those things to blacklist you, or or even if they don't find anything, they're just gonna make something up that is along something that they basically they're gonna embellish something that was nothing to try to make it into something to then blacklist you if you do speak out against Scientology. And and also, for the record, neither one of us had said anything to anybody. No, we were just trying to live our lives and do our thing. We weren't coming after them.
SPEAKER_03:You did you even had the opportunity to file a police report with Riverside County Sheriff? Because I was you didn't know stupido. No, no, no, hold on. But also you knew that I was still there.
SPEAKER_00:That's true. I couldn't do that because then that would burn me trying to get you out.
SPEAKER_03:Because you knew that that would then put me on even deeper lockdown than I already was. So I just that's part that's part of it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so now you guys are caught up, and now so through all of February and March, we're like, hey, you have our stuff, our clothes and our personal photos worth the belongings, our wedding video, our all of our clothing, they had my motorcycle.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna have to do that.
SPEAKER_00:They're gonna find out, they're gonna find out what we have here. Okay, so they had all our personal belongings, and we're like, we want our stuff. Now, as a backstory to this, when Ron Miscavige Jr. Yeah, Ronnie, Ronnie Miscavige Jr. and Biddy, Biddy escaped well before Ron Miscavige Sr. escaped. Yeah, many years before that.
SPEAKER_03:I think it was 2001 or 2002. They didn't actually escape. They just locked themselves in their bedroom and said, We're out of here. That's right.
SPEAKER_00:Let us go. But they didn't, but they did end up leaving. They did. They basically said, We're not staying here. You can't control us, and if you do anything to us, bad things are gonna happen. So they let them go. If you know you can leave, you can leave. But if you don't know you can leave, you think they're holding you there and they can't you can't get out.
SPEAKER_03:And I I just have to say that a a significant part of their leverage in that moment was their last name, both being Miscavige. Like you and I could have tried that and it wouldn't have worked.
SPEAKER_00:That's true. That's true.
SPEAKER_03:I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So, regardless, when they left, they said, Hey, you need to send us all our stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Now, they had a whole bunch of stuff as well in their little one-bedroom apartment or wherever they lived.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And when they got their stuff, there were a ton of things missing.
SPEAKER_03:Including a gold coin collection.
SPEAKER_00:Including a gold coin collection. Now, what had happened was when they moved, they just emptied their rooms into a shipping container and they put it back behind these apartment buildings in Hemet.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And some kids, some meddling kids, had broken the shipping container lock and gone in it and basically basically pilfered the container before it got sent to Ronnie and Biddy. And so it just happened that the these meddling kids found a gold coin collection. And I think they ended up having to give Ronnie and Biddy a whole bunch of money basically to replace the things that were lost. And it was a huge flap.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so this has happened years prior.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so now is flap even a real word, by the way? Yes, it is. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, moving in April 2005. So now this keeps going on, and they keep saying they're packing our stuff. So in February, we're like, hey, we need our stuff. They're like, yeah, it's being packed up. Yeah. You can come get it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I said, okay, good. Well, I'll just drive there. They're like, no, no, you can't drive.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, and and even initially, I said, Hey, I'll just come to where we lived and I will pack up our stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because of course, I'm like, I know where we lived. Like, you can just keep people away. Like, I'm not like a leper. Uh, you know, either way, we offered stuff.
SPEAKER_00:We offered to drive a moving truck. We just go to Riverside, rent a U-Haul, which I had just done a few months earlier. Um, rent a U-Haul and just go there and pick up our stuff. And they said, No way, you cannot come to the property, you cannot go to your house, you are not allowed to come here. That's that's not gonna happen.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:But then we said, okay, so what do you want to do? They said, you rent a truck in Riverside. No, no, no, we'll rent a truck in Riverside.
SPEAKER_03:They went in LA. We rented it in LA. Oh, really? And they went and picked it up from LA because they didn't want it to have any association even with Riverside County.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so they we rented a rental truck for them. We rented it, they picked it up and then filled it up.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:But so we kept saying, okay, when do you want us to rent this? I said, we'll let you know we're packing up your stuff. Okay, February goes by, March goes by. Also, in the middle of this, now this is crazy stuff, and it just has it does tie in. It's weird. Greg Wilhair just also happened to be the person that was in charge of the girl Tom Cruise girlfriend project.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And he was the one who picked Nazian uh Bonattien Bonatti to be Tom Crow's Tom Cruise's girlfriend, and he was the one trying to workshop and make the magic happen with Tom and Nas. Yep. And that failed miserably. And basically, David Miscavige didn't like Nas, and they filed her teeth down. And there's a whole Vanity Fair article about all this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so go back for a second because the email from Greg Wilhair, um this one, which was February 1st. February 1st. Yes. And so I answered that. Yeah. I answered that email, which I don't have a copy of my answer, but whatever. And I said, okay, um, we'll think about um coming back to do your steps embarrassingly.
SPEAKER_00:I know Mark was Claire was like, they said we can come back. I'm like, are you kidding me? I ain't ever going back to that place in a million years.
SPEAKER_03:I would have there's pretty much nothing I wouldn't have done in that moment to try to maintain connection with my family. I love my family. I still do hate videos, whatever, all of it, I love my family. And so I was really desperate to try and figure out a way to maintain connection with them. But to Mark's point, February 1st was that email from Greg Wilhair. I responded to that, and it was crickets. Yeah, we heard he got busted and was put on heavy manual labor.
SPEAKER_00:And we know this, we know this from people that were there when all this were happening. They were like, oh, Greg Wilhair was digging ditches over at the birthing buildings, and he never saw the light of day until the Katie Holmes thing started going good, and then they let him come back up to the living.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so we moved, we're in Kansas City, we were finally able to begin the process of retrieving our belongings from Scientology and bringing them back to Kansas City. Okay, now in addition to all that stuff we had, we still had a dog there as well. We had a Dalmatian, his name was Jupiter, and he was living in our backyard. And I found out from um L. Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, who was still there, that she was sneaking down there and trying to feed him whenever she could, but they wouldn't let her go down to feed him. If she went down for another something for somebody else who lived in RTC where we lived, then she would get him some food and she would feed him. But otherwise, they weren't feeding him and they weren't keep keeping track of him. He was just locked up in the behind the house. Yeah. And so Rowanne was the one who was feeding him as much as she could for that three-month period. Okay, and that's Jupiter there uh with the red uh collar on there. That's uh that's uh our dog, Jupiter Scientology put Jupiter in lockup after Claire's escape. We escaped back to Jupiter. Jupiter was dirty. Yeah, Jupiter was a suppressive dog.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, he was.
SPEAKER_00:You say that would be crazy, but that's Scientology and it is a real thing. Dogs can be SPs. Okay, so we get a truck and we rent it. So now they finally say, You can come. Yeah, you we've got your stuff. And now from February 1st all the way to this date in April, they were packing up our stuff.
SPEAKER_02:That's right.
SPEAKER_00:And we had one room. It was like the craziest thing in the world. There's a closet, there's some knickknacks, and there's the bathroom, and then whatever we had shoved into cabinets and whatever, just all of the things we had accumulated in our entire lives were in that one room.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. And then there was in Claire had a motorcycle that she used to drive around the property in for her post for her job, and that was still there as well. Was it not Yamaha TWTW200?
SPEAKER_03:TW, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What year was that, by the way? That one was um it's a late model, it was a good bike.
SPEAKER_03:It was like 1998.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, like a 98. It was nice colors, too. Nice colors too.
SPEAKER_03:It's blue and white, right?
SPEAKER_00:I like that one.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was a good one.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So now I rent the truck, they go pick it up. I don't remember LA. Oh no, I went, I met them at the riverside.
SPEAKER_03:Just to set the context, like um we had just gotten out. We had absolutely nothing.
SPEAKER_05:That's true.
SPEAKER_03:We had jobs, but we were barely like we had we were just getting back on our feet.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. So that's true. That's a good point to mention. We we we live with my dad for just a few weeks, and then we got a two-bedroom apartment.
SPEAKER_03:Only because he co-signed because we had no credit.
SPEAKER_00:But also the the wife that he was with at the time, just a couple sandwiches short of a picnic, this one. So um, we and there and they would get into it. They would mix it up a lot. So, even to us, we were in a bubble, we knew this may not be the best relationship.
SPEAKER_03:Not the most helpful.
SPEAKER_00:So when we got an apartment, we got a two bedroom apartment so that he could have a room there if he needed a as a crash pad or somewhere to get a safe haven.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:From his wife was very physical with him, and he wasn't a big guy.
SPEAKER_03:No. And um that was only fair since the only way we got the apartment was because he co-signed on the apartment.
SPEAKER_00:Trying to throw him a bunk. Okay. So we only had the bare necessities. I think we went to, I want to say it was like Salvation Army or Goodwill or something like that. We got some furniture.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And I think we might have gotten some stuff off Craigslist at the time or whatever. We we scrounged together a bed and not not a there was not Craigslist at the time.
SPEAKER_03:We would just go in the newspaper and on the Oh like the classified. Yeah, the classifieds exactly. We got a couch on the classified.
SPEAKER_00:And we would borrow my dad's vehicle to go pick stuff up. And we didn't even have a vehicle. We just had an apartment.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I was fixing computers from home. And I was a waitress at a pizza and you were a waitress just a couple blocks down the road.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Pizza shop.
SPEAKER_03:Shout out to Patrick's Pizza Shop, Lee Summit, Missouri. Okay. Um, yeah, but and the the reason I chose that job is because, first of all, it was way better than Arby's. And second of all, that's true. I could walk there if I had to, because we did not have a car.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it was literally two blocks away.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. When we were from my dad's house.
SPEAKER_04:Correct.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. It ended up being the furthest possible job from the place, the apartment that we got in that town.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But either way, we were good. It was fine. Take it, take what you can get. She's got a job. I got a job. I mean, I was basically making$50 an hour. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I was making really good money on tips. Yeah. We were slank. I still remember the time that I went to serve the people pizza and they paid their bill. And it was like, you know, maybe a$40 bill.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And they get gave$100 to pay it. And I was like, well, here's your change. And they're like, um, well, that's your tip. And I'm like, oh, you sure? And they're like, well, if you don't want it, I'll take it back. And I'm like, no, no. Just making sure, just being honest.
SPEAKER_00:Like, yeah, it's pretty good on a$40 uh meal tab, getting a 60 buck tip.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, Claire was slaying it. I was slaying it. We were sleeping every night. Yes. We were watching three or four Netflix DVDs a night.
SPEAKER_03:We were working out. We were swimming in the pool. We were going swimming every night.
SPEAKER_01:It was like paradise. This is so horrible, just like they said it was going to be.
SPEAKER_00:This was paradise.
SPEAKER_03:This was absolute paradise.
SPEAKER_00:We were living it up. Okay. But we still wanted our stuff back. Because all our just all the things we'd ever had were it in this place. Okay. So they so I rent the truck, they pick it up, they fill the truck, and then we were going to go on a certain day, and I think they canceled it. And it was like, oh no, you got to come another day.
SPEAKER_03:And I'm like, They weren't done yet. So we had to delay it by two or three.
SPEAKER_00:And so I couldn't really book a flight because other I thought we'd have to pay to cancel the flight. I don't remember why we'd ended up getting a flight.
SPEAKER_03:We didn't have money to book.
SPEAKER_00:But I know, but it what but I don't think flights were that much.
SPEAKER_03:It didn't matter.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So I end up we were pinching pennies at that at that point.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't maybe in retrospect.
SPEAKER_03:We may not have even researched it. We just thought, oh, that's what I'm gonna say.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna say we just assumed that it would be more expensive. If you ever have the choice to take a Southwest or Jet Blue, the worst flight in the world, do it and do not get a Greyhound. I got a Greyhound bus ticket. I basically took the route that Claire took to Kansas City. I took back the same route.
SPEAKER_03:And throughout that entire journey, Mark regretted that he made me go on.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my goodness. I was like, this is a day and a half of terror and torture.
SPEAKER_03:And like a really strange cross section of humanities.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, yeah, no, I didn't really. That wasn't, it was just sitting and doing like an hour and then a stop and then an hour and then a stop and then an hour. It was just like, we're gonna it's gonna take 70 years to get to Los Angeles. Anyway, so they pack up all our stuff. I get a truck, they pick it up, they pack everything into this truck, and then they say, Okay, we've got everything. We're gonna meet at the riverside um bus station where you're gonna arrive.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And we're gonna be there waiting in the parking lot with the truck when you get there. And we'll have your dog and your stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm like, okay, fine.
SPEAKER_03:Well it really, in in retrospect, uh and it in the moment, it really felt like a little bit of a hostage type situation.
SPEAKER_00:It really was a it was like we were doing a handoff.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, and so so fine. So I'm like, whatever. And they are making a big deal out of this. Like, oh, we're gonna have this person there and this person. And I'm just like, I don't give a shit who gives me my stuff.
SPEAKER_03:Like, you guys are you guys are so glad it was you that not me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was just like, you guys are lame. Anyway, okay. So there's a speed limit. Okay. So, okay, good. So now I gotta go back to this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so so we need to we can go back to Well, no, I can just go to here. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so now, excuse me. I get off the bus, and it's Terrence Une, who's this uh security guard.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. And who's now out of the sea organization, yeah, who's not there anymore. Terence, if you decide to speak up, let us know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Aloha, Terrence, I'll just say that.
SPEAKER_03:And Martina, his wife.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Anyway, um, and then Matt Butler.
SPEAKER_03:Matt Butler, who is was married to Jenny Butler at the time.
SPEAKER_00:And he's also a security guard, and he's also one of the people, when you escape, he's one of the guys that keeps track of the people that are uh re that recovers them. He's also one of the chief people who goes and gets people.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And he's uh he's actually really young kid.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But he's their go-to henchman to deal with people who've escaped.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:So he's there, and I think it was just those two. It may have been somebody else, but I'm pretty sure it was just those two.
SPEAKER_03:I'm sure there were other people in the background.
SPEAKER_00:I'm happy to say it is getting a little foggier. Some of these things that I just didn't pay any attention to are starting to they're losing hard drive space for other better memories. So screw you, Matt and Terrence. Um, not you, Terrence, because you left, but Matt, still screw you. Okay. So then they give me these envelopes and they say, we need you to look through all these documents. And I'm like, okay, whatever. Anyway, the first thing in there is our SP declares. We were declared the day after Claire escaped. That's the dates on this SP declares.
SPEAKER_03:And and remember, we talked about Greg Wilhair's email saying, Oh, it's on hold. Come to find out, no, it was far from on hold. In fact, my entire family, my stepdad was in Clearwater, Florida, and he was called in there and told that I was a suppressive person the day after I escaped. Yes. My mom, my brother, and my two sisters were all called in to Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_00:Before those emails were sent.
SPEAKER_03:Correct.
SPEAKER_00:So this all took place before Greg Wilhair said, it's on hold. That three days before we were declared suppressives. Yes. And he's saying it's on hold. Her mother is saying we want to make sure you get things sorted out, and da-da. It's that's it's already done.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:All those emails had to be done with OSA in coordination from the family.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And because we had already been declared suppressives, they waited and they tried throughout that entire time period when we're like, can we get our stuff? Can we do this? Warren McShane, Greg Wilhair, Kirsten, Gerald Duncan, all these people were emailing us, trying to get us to come in and route out and do this. They already declared us the day after.
SPEAKER_03:But there's a key piece of this that we have to talk about.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So before they agreed to give us our stuff back, and when we hadn't heard from Greg Wilhair for like weeks, because he was digging ditches, not jumping on emails. So come to March, and I get a phone call from Warren McShane, who is uh the legal uh finagler in RTC. You know, second or third in command, who's in in charge of all legal and everything else. And he says, Okay, listen, um, yeah, Greg wasn't able to get back to you because we now know he was on the heavy manual labor circuit. But we have a plan for you. All that has to happen is you need to come back and do the rehabilitation project for us.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:This was like, we're like now two and a two months into a lease. We've slept, we're watching Netflix every night.
SPEAKER_00:It's funny how you're right. We have a I know, but it's funny that we've always been like, we can't leave, we have a lease. Like, we can't break a lease. Forget the part where we don't come back and do your prison camp.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_01:We have a lease. I love how that's the excuse. Anyway, but that is what I told Claire. I said, tell him we have a lease. Okay. Like, what do we uh yeah? Not only do we not want to do the prison camp, but we also don't want to break this lease on this one year two bedroom of townhome that we have.
SPEAKER_03:Right. We don't want to be reprogrammed into being soulless, mindless androids.
SPEAKER_01:If we break our lease, this could really screw up our non-existent credit that we have. Anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Our credit has gone from negative 500 to negative 480.
SPEAKER_00:We don't want to blow the lease. Anyway, so the first thing I see is the declares. And I just go, I laugh. I'm just like, of course, duh. And I look at the data, I'm like, you fuckers. And then the next one is Claire's declare. And I look at that and I'm like, whatever. And the security guards are like, you have to read it. I go, I don't have to fucking read anything. Screw you. That's a bunch of bullshit you guys made up, of course.
SPEAKER_01:And they go, Mark, you know you have to read it. And I'm like, no.
SPEAKER_03:And by the way, this was because they had to send a report to David Miscavige of this meeting providing what was the reaction, what was the feedback. Yes. And it couldn't be, fuck you guys. You are you're assholes. Excuse my language. It couldn't be that. No, no.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I said. Don't worry about your language. I was basically like, screw you. You guys made up a bunch of bullshit. I know it's not true. It means nothing to me. I'm not going to get fired from fixing computers because you guys wrote up a bunch of bonehead bullshit in here. Anyway, so then they're like, you know you have to read it. And I go, and I literally said, no, that's the best part. I don't have to read it. And so then I'm like, what do I need to sign? Because I knew I had to sign something.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And they said, you have to sign the inventory. And I go, the inventory? And they go, Yeah, you got to sign the inventory. So I'm like, okay, well, let's go look in the truck. So we open up the back of the truck and they give me a sheaf of papers. I'm going to say it's probably 50, 60 pages. The inventory is 50 or 60 pages, single spaced, long, printout, letter size, don't worry, we'll get to it. Papers. And it is the inventory of what's in the truck. And I'm like, you guys inventoried every single thing. And they're like, there's not a chapstick bottle in there that's not on the inventory.
SPEAKER_03:There's not a single nickel or a quarter that's not in the inventory.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm like, you guys are insane. Anyway, we go to the back of the truck, they open up the truck, and it's bankers' boxes. So it looks like I'm moving my office. It's bank white bankers' boxes, the ones you buy from Office Depot or Costco or whatever, and they're all perfectly brand new white bankers' boxes, and they have little numbers on them. One, two, three. And it's just stacks of bankers' boxes and a motorcycle in the middle of the thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So hold on. Just for giggles, if you've ever moved using bankers' boxes, prove us wrong and just drop a comment to let us know that, you know, moving in bankers' boxes is totally normal and something that everybody.
SPEAKER_00:Oh no, don't worry about that, baby. You're pre-empting this story. Okay. Take it easy there, Red Rider.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So there's a motorcycle, there's bankers' boxes, and there's a few bins. There's like a TV and there's a few, like just loose things, but it's bankers' boxes and a motorcycle.
SPEAKER_03:Or illegal TV that we'd manage to hold on to.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Okay. And all of the bankers' boxes are numbered. Okay. Where's the list?
SPEAKER_03:Um, well, you're the one that uploaded the slides.
SPEAKER_00:I know, but I didn't upload a list. Oh, is this the list? Okay. Here's the inventory. Okay. Oh, you're right. So we'll do this. We'll do this. We'll do this. We'll do this. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Because you have to, you before you talk about the inventory, you have to talk about the whole thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, no. I get it. Okay. So basically what happens is, and Jupiter's there as well. I will go back a little bit. Jupiter's in the front seat of the truck.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Now Jupiter is a white Dalmatian with black spots. And when they delivered him to me, he was a very, very dark, mangy brown.
SPEAKER_03:That's a picture of him.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, that's not the picture of him. It's a picture of him, but not at this time.
SPEAKER_03:Of how he looked.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's what he that's what he looked like in normal circumstances. He was basically so dark that I didn't even think that he was the same dog at first. He was basically so dirty that he was almost black. He was dirty, dirty, dirty brown and kind of gray from dirt.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, which really pissed me off. And he also smelled, well, he probably hadn't had a bath in three months because they wouldn't do that because they're they're not an animal people. Let's just say, let's just leave it at that. Okay. So now we'd had the dog years before when we were in the Sea Org, because her dog had puppies, and then we were able to get one and we weren't supposed to, but my mom gave me one of my dog's puppies illegally. It's okay. Either way, we had a dog. Not a lot of people did. We did.
SPEAKER_03:We broke Mark broke the rules because he was the rubber.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna break the rules and because Claire's in RTC, we're gonna get away with it. No, I was in gold when we I know, but you were in RTC when we had that dog when we left. Okay. Now I get the dog. I tell them, screw you guys. I sign their inventory. I'm like, whatever. Give me a copy. They give me a copy. I sign their copy. I look at them, they're the same amount of pages, whatever. I don't give a shit. I've got the stuff. I can I can't really go through anything because there's literally 60 bankers' boxes in the back of a truck. So I'm just like, whatever. I don't even care at this point.
SPEAKER_03:And on top of that, you're in Riverside County, California, planning to drive back to Kansas City.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:To Kansas City. Yeah, I gotta get back. You don't have a lot of time.
SPEAKER_00:No, I've been on a bus for a day and a half. I'm done. I want to go home.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So I just grab it. I don't really look through it or anything. I just grab it, whatever, sign their thing. They still ask me, can you please read the declaration the documents? And I said, no. And they said, well, what do we say? I say, say that I said to go fuck yourself and I didn't read it. And then they're like, ugh. Anyway, so then I get in the truck and I drive off. I'm like, screw you, we're done. I don't ever have to see you again. I don't have to talk to you again. I don't care about your dumb rules. I'm out of here. Okay, so I jam to Vegas from there.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:I get a hotel and I tell Claire, you got to get me like a someplace way, way, way off strip that's super, super cheap, that's not gonna care that I'm gonna wash a dog in this room because this dog needs to get washed.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like didn't you have to drive with the windows down?
SPEAKER_01:The whole way I had to drive with the windows down.
SPEAKER_03:Jim was a really good dog. It makes me really sad. Yeah, do you feel guilty?
SPEAKER_00:He was very super happy to see me and he just slept on my with his head on my lap the entire way to Vegas.
SPEAKER_02:Best dog.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So I go to this room, I give Jupiter a bath, I go to like Walgreens or something, and I grab a whole bunch of dog shampoo. And I had to wash this dog like five times.
SPEAKER_00:And finally he was white again and he smelled good because I did like, you know, pina collotted him up. Anyway, okay.
SPEAKER_03:He was so happy.
SPEAKER_00:So then the next day, we're gonna go from Vegas back to Kansas City. Back to Kansas City, and I'm gonna try to do it in one big jam.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Which is a long jam.
SPEAKER_03:It is a long jam.
SPEAKER_00:In a in a big Penske or whatever it was.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so when you're driving, I don't know if you guys have done this, but when you're driving through states, I'm jamming through Colorado. Colorado's got like, I want to say 80 mile-an-hour speed line.
SPEAKER_03:75, but that means 85 in Colorado. Yeah, ish. Anyway, like you know, so I jam it.
SPEAKER_00:I'm jamming.
SPEAKER_03:I ain't got 85.
SPEAKER_00:I ain't got a lot of tickets on my record, but I'm gonna say 90.
SPEAKER_01:But I'm gonna say 90% of them are speeding tickets.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, no, folks, that's it. That's it, that's an episode that I'll do by myself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the beaches are coming again. BT's are gonna shut you down. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so I'm jamming in Colorado and I'm going the speed limit.
SPEAKER_03:Going with the flow of traffic.
SPEAKER_00:Going with the flow of traffic. But when you go into Kansas, these dirty dogs on the co on the on the southern on the southern, is it not southern? It's the eastern on the western border of of Kansas with the border of Colorado, the speed limit dropped like at least 10 or 15 miles as soon as you go over, and there's like one sign. I'm gonna say there was one sign. I didn't see it. Maybe there was two, maybe there was four. I wasn't even thinking about the sign. I was just thinking. We got to get home, and I got my stuff. I got the dog. Okay, fine.
SPEAKER_03:And meanwhile, Claire was waiting at home, very excited to get Mark back from his dangerous rendezvous with the Scientology goons. More excited to get Jupiter back after not having seen him for months. Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So basically, I get pulled over for speeding.
unknown:Bummer. Whoop.
SPEAKER_00:I get lit up. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. And we pull off into this rest stop. And I'll never forget this rest stop because it's sort of the first rest stop once you get into Kansas. And it's really a nice rest stop. There's a park, there's like a little visitor center with some bathrooms and stuff. It's like basically a parkslash rest stop.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:It's pretty balling for a rest stop. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:As far as rest stops go. And we haven't seen that many rest stops. I'm gonna say this is I 70.
SPEAKER_00:I'm off I-70.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Is there a map up in this? Nope.
SPEAKER_04:Nope.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, this is the rest stop, actually. She's uh Clara, Claire, Claire's the one who does all this for us, guys. I don't know how we would get get through all this. Um, but um I get pulled over for speeding, and um the guy says, Hey, what's the deal? And I say, Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize the speed limit dropped on the border. I was a little bit like, you got me? Pretty pretty sure you get lots of people. God darn it. Gosh darn it. And um he says, Okay, let me see your license. I give him my license, and I still have my California license.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, this is key to know.
SPEAKER_03:It is key.
SPEAKER_00:Still have my California license, and I hadn't gotten a new license in Nebraska.
SPEAKER_03:No, in Missouri.
SPEAKER_00:In Missouri, in Lee Summit.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And so um, so yeah, I had a California.
SPEAKER_03:So so again, just for context, January is when we arrived in Lee Summit, Missouri. Now this is April. Yeah, and Mark is driving from California back to Missouri.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Okay. So the comp says, Oh, you live in California? I go, well, actually, I live in Lee Summit, Missouri.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And he goes, Okay, when did you leave move to Lee Summit? I go, I moved there in January. He goes, Oh, okay. Hmm, but you still have a California license. I go, well, yeah, I don't know. I didn't know if I was gonna move back to California or if we were gonna stay in Lee Summit. So we're kind of back going back and forth. And he goes, Okay, fine. He goes, Um, what's in the back? And I say, Oh, I'm moving. It's all my stuff. And he goes, So you move there in January, but you didn't bring anything with you.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's right. And now you're going back four months later and you're getting your stuff and you're moving it to Lee Summit. I'm like, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so he goes, Okay, fine. So he goes, Will you mind if we take a look? I'm like, sure, we can take a look.
SPEAKER_03:And um I'm sure, I'm sure the audience knows exactly where the proxy mic is at. But this is an and not your average scenario, right?
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, so we go, we open up the back of the truck, and there's 60 bankers' boxes with a motorcycle.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, he goes, You put all your stuff in bankers' boxes, and I go, Well, no, I didn't. Uh my friends did. And he goes, Your friends? And I go, Yeah. My friends packed all this up for me.
SPEAKER_03:He's like, Wow, so wait a minute, let's back up for a minute. So you moved to Lee Summit, Missouri in January, and you have friends in California that three months later packed up all of your belongings into banker's boxes for you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I go, Yeah, that's basically exactly what happened. And he goes, Well, how do you know what's in the bankers' boxes? And I go, Oh, I've got an inventory.
SPEAKER_00:And he goes, No way. And I go, Yeah, there's an inventory in the front seat of the truck if I can walk up there.
SPEAKER_03:But hold on, backing up for a second, didn't he go? So you open up the back, he pulls out, so what's in this box? And you're like, No, no. Well, I don't know. Yeah, but I have an inventory. That's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So we go get the inventory. I s and oh, by the way, Jupiter's just sitting in the front of the truck, just chill chilling like a villain.
SPEAKER_03:Happy to be back with his people.
SPEAKER_00:Smelling like pina colada, stinking up the whole truck bed like a pineapple present.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, we go back, and so the guy pulls out a box and he goes, What's this? I go, that's box. I don't know, whatever box he has. Let's just say it's 35. And so then I go to this list. Now, this is the list. To avoid accusations of theft, Scientology provides a detailed inventory of belongings. Mark shows the inventory to the officers and tries to explain the situation. We've included the full inventory list. Okay, so this is box number one. Now listen.
SPEAKER_03:And by the way, this was boxed up by Chelsea Graves from RTC. From RTC, who is the same person that was doing interrogations on Tom Cruise's personal staff.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So in between um Isabella and Connor interrogations, Isabella and Connor Cruise interrogations, she's the one inventorying our stuff. And the and we know from when we were there, nothing can be left off the list.
SPEAKER_04:Nope.
SPEAKER_00:If they send 10 things, there's 10 things on the list. If they send 10,000 things, there's 10,000 things on the list.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I'm not going to read every single thing, but I am going to leave them up long enough. If you want to freeze it, you can freeze it and read this. But we are talking four hair clips.
SPEAKER_03:Um what about this one? Broken soap soap bowl with two bits of soap.
SPEAKER_00:Cream hand towel.
SPEAKER_03:Spoon.
SPEAKER_00:Air cleaner, herbal shave cream for men. Witch books. Does it say witch? Oh no, witch hazel. Um L'Oreal Eye Defense Cream. You gotta be kidding me. Anyway, Dr. Schultz, deep tissue oil. Okay, now look. Remember, I said there's a- What about this one?
SPEAKER_03:Aveda Promoleant, one inch liquid left in bottle.
SPEAKER_00:Look at this one. Spoon. This is spoon. Spoon. Corn conair styler dryer.
SPEAKER_03:They they didn't um spell check this thing either. Which hazer?
SPEAKER_00:Cotton ball dispenser. Cotton ball dispensers with full cotton balls. With one half full cotton balls. Okay. This is box one, guys. Box two? You can see this, guys. I'm gonna leave this up so you if you want to freeze it and read it at a later date.
SPEAKER_03:They were so specific as to include the amounts of items remaining. Example, full used next to bottles that had been inventoried. Yeah. So half full, quarter full, one tenth full.
SPEAKER_00:Banana cup. Banana cup. Mont Blanc, Claire Hedley engraved. I think you got that from David Miscavige's present.
SPEAKER_03:I can't even believe they sent that to us.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's from David Miscavige personally. An RTC engraved Mont Blanc. Didn't all the RTC reps get those?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It had our hands. It was signature engraved in it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, they auto-penned a pen. Okay. White scissors. Bee cap. It's a Burtzby's cap. Not the Burtz Bees thing, just the cap for the Burtzbees.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:They inventoried the cap of a an errant Burtz Bees chapstick somewhere. Okay, this is anyway. This goes on forever. And the cop is basically reading this.
SPEAKER_03:And losing his mind.
SPEAKER_00:And he's just like, this is look, look, and it does get some boxes have bigger stuff in it, so that's less things. Yeah. That was the bathroom. That was like the bathroom drawers box that they just dumped. Yeah. And she had to go through each thing and inventory it and put it in the Yeah, because how many boxes total was it?
SPEAKER_03:Like 60 to 70.
SPEAKER_00:It's a lot. It's a lot. Okay, so some of them are less. You know, you got some. I like I do love reading. Just just to spot check and I'm like, five pennies. Tape measure.
SPEAKER_03:Seven tiny screws.
SPEAKER_00:Art chalk.
SPEAKER_03:Three screws, one button.
SPEAKER_00:Ace bandage.
SPEAKER_03:Computer chip component.
SPEAKER_00:One vacuum bag. I mean.
SPEAKER_03:Black comb. Not to be confused with the white comb.
SPEAKER_01:Some of these things are so amazing. That's some one lint roller.
SPEAKER_04:One vacuum bag. God.
SPEAKER_01:Toilet bath mat. One seven tiny screws. One screw. No, two screws, one button.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, if you think we think this is funny, it is funny. It's also not funny. It's really sad. Anyway. But the only thing you can do is laugh about it in retrospect. Seriously. Anyway, right?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, let me go back. I went too fast. Okay, so we did that one. This is another good one. Silver frame.
SPEAKER_03:Nothing screams cult like an inventory of this magnitude.
SPEAKER_00:We still do have these pictures too. Photo frame, large, two photos, silver with stone stones, letters, empty, small wooden frame, silver frame with Jupiter, silver frame with Claire, silver, little green with Jupiter. Um you know, oh, one photo frame has your sisters in it. Yep. Silver frame, sister and boy, gold, three hinged photo. Baby Dalmatian. Um anyway, you guys, you guys get the idea.
SPEAKER_04:You get the idea.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, then and then it just goes just on and on, just forever and ever.
SPEAKER_03:One dime, two nickels, twenty-four pennies, three screws, two lifesavers.
SPEAKER_01:Two two life where which one is that on?
SPEAKER_03:It's in the middle of the top life.
SPEAKER_01:Lifesavers. Full Coke can. Two lifesavers.
SPEAKER_00:Holy molys.
SPEAKER_02:Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway. You literally cannot make this up. I don't think the dog was on the inventory. Alex says that the dog was on the inventory.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't think he was. Um but we're coming to some important things that were on the inventory.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, we are? Okay, let's keep going.
SPEAKER_03:So it's just so again, you can read through this in all its glorious detail if you choose to. That's why we decided to put all this up here. Two small bottles, four black pens, two metal clips, uh beige vest beige vest. Two pictures of CH and MH framed. Okay. Timberland sweater.
SPEAKER_00:It just goes.
SPEAKER_03:It literally goes. It's I mean I was mortified when I saw this document the first time. Like at the invasion of privacy, like they didn't just box up our stuff, they literally invent every single thing. Item, just every little thing. Letter without envelope to Mark. Did you see that?
SPEAKER_00:Letter without envelope to Mark. That's probably the one where you sent me my rings back.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. You had to go on about that. I know. I gringe about that every time I see it. I would I I've stopped myself from shredding that about ten minutes.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know if I'm gonna miss the thing.
SPEAKER_03:If I go, I don't wanna No, no, you won't, because Clara highlighted it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So here we go.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:CDs empty cases. Now at the time I would take the CDs out of the cases and put them into basically a giant binder of CDs so that if anything happened to the cases, I wouldn't lose the CDs.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Just my weird thing. Okay, but now these it says DM, singles box one through four. DM, singles box one through twelve. Z DM or whatever it is, five through twelve.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, look at that.
SPEAKER_00:These are all depech mode. These are all depeche mode.
SPEAKER_03:What about this section? When it gets to my section, so we we had a CD player that the only way we were even able to afford that is because one year I got a bonus from Religious Technology Center for a thousand dollars. So we got this CD player that would hold like 200 CDs.
SPEAKER_00:I think it was a 300, maybe 200.
SPEAKER_03:But look at this. Look at the description. Round C D thing with CDs.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Bare naked ladies, parallel Jones. I don't even know what that is. I think it's Jones. Savage Garden is how I know that was my section of CDs.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think it's either Jesus Jones or Howard Jones. I've never heard of a parallel Jones.
SPEAKER_03:No.
SPEAKER_00:Um anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Chelsea might have been doing this on no sleep, to be fair. There's a significant number of typos.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, they put in, they spelled somebody says they spelt Natalie and Brugley incorrectly. Yeah, they spelled a lot of things. Including parallels with CDs. I don't even think that is a thing. I'm pretty sure it's either Howard Jones or Jesus Jones, but there's none of those.
SPEAKER_03:It could have been something else altogether.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my goodness. Anyway.
SPEAKER_03:But the best thing is like, look at this story of Depeche Mode.
SPEAKER_00:It is a very impressive collection that I had amassed while in the Sea Org. There was actually, I said this last week, or I said it somewhere. There used to be a record store in Hemet on Florida Avenue, and it was called Hungry Heart. And they used to get in some really good Depeche Mode imports and collector item things. And if I had a penny left saved up, I would go in there and I'd snatch it up as soon as they had it.
SPEAKER_05:Nice.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so this is all just depeche mode CDs. And then you can see we got Claire's section, and there's a whole bunch of, you know, like anything not depeche mode is whole Paul Simon Madonna. Goo goo dolls, Wilson.
SPEAKER_03:No doubt, Shania Twain.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. There you go. Alanis Morissette.
SPEAKER_00:KLF. Chick Korea. Heart. KLF. Wild Colonials. That was the one.
SPEAKER_03:Chick Korea was not me.
SPEAKER_00:I know, but Wild Colonials was Chick Korea's son, Thad Korea, was in a band. It was called Wild Colonials.
SPEAKER_03:Well, so so I correct myself because I didn't have it.
SPEAKER_00:Uh yellow. Okay, good. Lots of goodies. Okay, and then we go into more boxes. And then back to, you know, just insanity again. Body scroll.
SPEAKER_03:They're inventorying my underwear. It's fucking disgusting.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, bag of cane sugar. Bag of white sugar. What's white? Oh, okay. Bag of flour. We did have some we did have some some cooking stuff. Okay, now this is also very crazy because we had just had the beer and cheese party or the new year's party or something like that. In um for like for New Year's, just to bring in the New Year's. And for some reason, I don't think I went down to the event because all this crazy system stuff was happening. So I think I stayed at the property. Um or did it no, because we saw your parents in LA. Right before that, we saw your parents in LA.
SPEAKER_04:We did.
SPEAKER_00:So maybe we did go to LA. And then maybe we just had some dumb party at the base for some reason. I don't remember if it was Christmas or it was New Year's, but we had some stupid party at the base, and the only thing that they put out was sun kissed orange sodas and Ritz crackers for the whole party. That's all there was, just cases. And so I just took like two cases of soda, put it on the back of my motorcycle, and went home. So I still had those because there's 22 sun kissed.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and can you tell by now that Chelsea is getting tired?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. So now this is. If you don't have our stuff, we're going to the house and we're getting our stuff.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:So now Chelsea can just say random clothes, miscellaneous books. Now they're just dumping boxes full.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:This is probably like an hour before I'm coming to get the truck.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And they're just jamming it in there. And then items not labeled, bike. I wanted to see if the dog was still on here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I was looking for him. I don't see him on.
SPEAKER_00:They just got the bike and then various videos, letters, containers, pictures. Like literally, now she's phoning it in.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Mind you, there are significant items that they never get.
SPEAKER_00:In box number that's true. There were a bunch of things missing, but also we were just like, whatever. But this box 65 is the box that's kind of crazy.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. Claire Hetley's passport. So we've told you before that they hold passports. Well, here from their very own document is proof of this, which, yes, we have given to law enforcement, and they are aware of this. But yes, they held my passport from years before I left, and I did not get that back until April 2005 after escaping.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Copy of my birth certificate, original copy of our marriage certificate, and then various family letters, postcards, photos.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:In their writing, in their words, they hold passports, as we have said many times.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. I so that I didn't say what happened. Okay. So we go through this list. So we're literally the officer and I, he's already called for backup.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Because he's like for a canine.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, he's basically they called for his supervisor.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And then they called for canine. Because they're like, there's no way. Obviously, this guy's a drug dealer or drug runner or there's narcotics. This narcotics, there's got to be narcotics in this guy's truck. Right. This is the craziest story ever. Right. And so then the sergeant comes and I'm like, well, can I at least walk my dog and he can go to the bathroom or something? He's like, oh yeah, sure. Just kind of stay over here. And I was like, okay, fine. So I get Jupiter. We're kind of walking around.
SPEAKER_03:And meanwhile, also I should say, you're in a you're in the middle of nowhere'sville. So you have no cell reception. Yeah, no cell search. I'm at home. I'm at our apartment in Lee Summit, Missouri, expecting you to be home. And I haven't heard from you in hours. So I'm starting to freak out a little bit because I was already on edge given that you were rendezvousing with gold security guards.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so then the guy's kind of like, I gotta call my sergeant on this one. This is way too sketchy. I gotta call my sergeant. So we go, I take Jupiter for a walk, he does his business, I put him back in the truck, and then the sergeant shows up, or the boss, I don't know, the lingo, whatever. This is how I remember it. Anyway, the sergeant comes, and then the sergeant says, Okay, I know you've already told him your story, but I want you to tell me my tell me the story. Yep. And the cop I've already told the story to is standing right there. And so then I go back through the whole thing. I go, I moved to Kansas City in January, and now my friends packed up all my stuff, and so I met them at the riverside bus chasing.
SPEAKER_03:Because we're still in the cause problems. We're just trying to walk away and get on with the city.
SPEAKER_00:In retrospect, I probably should have just said these Scientology people kept all my shit and they wouldn't give it back to me.
SPEAKER_01:And then when they gave it back to me, they gave it to me like this.
SPEAKER_03:I know, but it does speak to the level of brainwashing that even in these crazy moments, like when I'm in the bus station, when you're getting pulled over by the cops, we're still covering for them in that moment. Like just not trying to cause any trouble for them.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so I tell the sergeant the whole entire thing all over again. He goes through the list with me. I grab, he's like, oh, let's go. Uh box 27. I go, okay. I got I'm in the truck, I pull up box 27, and I'm like opening up and I'm like, oh, I didn't, I totally forgot I had this.
SPEAKER_01:Or, you know, like whatever.
SPEAKER_00:I'm like rediscovering my own property. And um, and the cop's like, uh, he's like, we're playing like a little uh, you know, we're playing like it's like a game show. Like he reads out shit, and I just go, yeah, got that right here.
SPEAKER_01:And then uh he's like, okay. He was testing the and he was reading the things like half a bottle of Vita skin cream. I'm like, yep, got that right here. I'm like, eh, it might be it might be an eighth of a bottle, but okay, we'll call it half. Um, and then he and we do that for like 10 boxes, and he's literally just like I can imagine this story ending up in like a book.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's just like wildest police encounters diary of a highway patrol officer. Somebody needs to see if we can get the footage from when was the date? April-ish Kansas body cams. Did they have body cams back then in 2005? I don't think so. Anyway, it would have been great. So he basically says, We're getting canine.
SPEAKER_01:He's like, he's like, I know you told him, but I think we're gonna get the canine.
SPEAKER_03:It's like this is this is a pretty far their story. Like, I get it, you seem believable, but this is out there.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, I really thought I had the sergeant because we were having a good time. Yeah, like he and I was even, you know, me. Like, he's like, uh, chap bird's bees chapstick cap. I'm like, yep, I got that. Right here, little yellow guy. Look at this little bees, birth bees, you know birth bees, got all that honey in it, it's good stuff. Bees wax. And uh, and he was going, he was rolling with it.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, so then we wait like another half hour, and then the sergeant comes over again. He goes, Okay, now hold on. Just run through me, just run it through one more time. I know you've been through it twice, just run through it one more time, and we're gonna decide which way this is gonna go. So I run through the whole thing again. He goes, and he basically says, either this is the most insane story ever that you've told exactly the same three times in a row.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. All the way through. Because we all know, any of us true crime junkies know you're looking for variations in the story. Or and a variation in the story tells you red flag alert, yeah, there's you know, all is not right here.
SPEAKER_00:So he says either it's the most insane story ever that you told three times in a row, exactly the same, or you're the best liar in the world.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna let you go. The can't take like another 45 minutes to be here.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:So we're gonna let you go. Keep keeping it, keep your eye on the speeds, take it easy.
SPEAKER_04:And you're good.
SPEAKER_03:You didn't even get a ticket.
SPEAKER_00:And you're good. I got no ticket, nothing. Anyway, so and but again, I guarantee you that there's a bunch of cops that are like, you dude, this dude had 62 bankers' boxes that his friends packed up for him. Friends packed for him. Inventory. They inventoried. He didn't move one thing from his house.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:They wouldn't let him go to the house, they did it for him, so he wouldn't have to go to the house.
SPEAKER_03:We tried, folks, sheriff's office. We tried to go to our own house to pack up our stuff, but hell no.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and so I think I basically jammed it from there all the way back.
SPEAKER_04:I think I mean I was there that night. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It was several hours. I want to say, let me, did I say how long it was? I don't remember, but it was I'm gonna say I was at least there for like two hours at least.
SPEAKER_03:At least, maybe going I thought it was like three or four hours. Might have been more.
SPEAKER_00:It was a lot because we were because they just it was just like they were waiting for me to open up the bin that didn't have what they said, and there's a bunch of stuff in there.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:But it was just like we we'd gone through so many bins, and they all were exactly what was on the list.
SPEAKER_03:So it was sort of like Good thing, good thing Chelsea Graves didn't plant anything, huh?
SPEAKER_00:But it's funny, they also noticed that they they phoned it in at the end.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Like they were like, oh, look, they got tired of writing all this shit down.
SPEAKER_01:And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure they like after 30 boxes, they were like, We got it, we're going, we're calling. Yeah, I said I didn't know about any of this until I got the stuff. Yeah, I got to know about the baker's boxes, which was true. I didn't know about the inventory, I didn't know about any of this.
SPEAKER_03:All of it was true. We we never expected they'd be inventorying our underwear in Depeche Mode collections. I mean, my God, how crazy is that?
SPEAKER_00:Okay, well, that was good, right? Oh my god. That was a good one. Can I do this one? There we go.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What do you think, guys? What do you think? Um you think that was a little bit much? I mean, that's how Scientology has to do this legally. So they're there on the the end where you can't say anything. Now, our wedding video was missing because it had in our wedding video, there were other int-based Sea Org members that were in the video. So they kept that from us. They didn't give us our wedding photos.
SPEAKER_03:No, and they and they alleged that Kirsten, Kirsten Catano alleged that it was just an oversight and that she would send it to us, but she never did.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um we ended up getting a copy of our wedding video, which we've put on YouTube, um, about 20 years later, um, because my mother had sent a copy to my stepgrandmother who passed away.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the police canine could have just talked to Jupiter and Jupiter could have vouched for us.
SPEAKER_03:Because since Mark story checks out per Jupiter, you know. Yeah, the police canine would have been like, I know, it was like, dude, bro, I just broke out from this place. They were so abusive to me. They didn't even give me a bath for five months. Yeah, and the canine's like I just got a bath for the first time.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the canine's like, what is that? It's like, yeah, it's pina colada. Pina colada is nice.
SPEAKER_03:You smell good now, bro. It's very good. You're good now. Things are looking up.
SPEAKER_00:Just like a little bit of just a little bit of exotic T.
SPEAKER_03:I've told the story before. I literally cried when I had to tell Jupiter, I'm so sorry, dude. I have to, I have to get out of here somehow. Somehow we'll make it all work out, but I cannot, you know, you can't run away with a dog in tow. It doesn't work.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Anyway, Scientology is crazy. So it's always worse than you think. Scientology is crazy.
SPEAKER_04:Yes, exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway. Anyway. So we get all my stuff, we get all the stuff, and this is the funniest thing. We really wanted to get the stuff back. But once we got the stuff, I want to say we threw like 80% of it away.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, most of it was like, well, first of all, we were no longer malnourished, so a lot of our clothes didn't even fit us anymore. That's true. I was like wearing kids' clothes because I was had had lost so much weight.
SPEAKER_00:And but also it was junk. A lot of it was just junk that, but we didn't have anything else, so it was our junk. Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:And hey, my passport was not junk. What was our marriage certificate?
SPEAKER_00:But I want to say sorry. I'm gonna say we at least threw away, I would say 80% of it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We have very if we have anything from that stuff, it's photos or papers or something like that, but pretty much every other I do have there is a Battlefield Earth copy that was in there that is signed by John Travolta.
SPEAKER_03:He signed it as Turl, though, not as John Travolta.
SPEAKER_00:I gotta find that. I keep talking about it.
SPEAKER_03:Turl is the main character that John Travolta plays in the movie. He's the bad guy. Anyway, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I have that, and then we had a few other things that we might still have kicking around.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, okay.
SPEAKER_03:And yes, Jupiter lived out the rest of his he did. He was a he was a a very old Dalmatian when he finally had a good five final years with us, and he was just the best.
SPEAKER_00:He was amazing. He was awesome. He was the dude.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Um, let's run through some questions and then we can give a questions. Wait, what you wanted to do the giveaway for?
SPEAKER_00:No, I'm easy, babe. We're we don't have a hard out today. No one's bumping out, no one's bumping out midstream. You know, people really um went on Claire's side on the bumping out. They said that's a real thing.
SPEAKER_02:I love you guys. Thank you for packing me up.
SPEAKER_00:Supposedly, in the in the production industry, when someone's in the middle of a show and they need to leave, they bump out. I I'm sorry, I was not aware of the preferred nomenclature.
SPEAKER_03:I totally knew that. I was surprised by your ignorance.
SPEAKER_01:She had no idea.
SPEAKER_03:I didn't, but that's okay. Okay, you took down the comment that was.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you didn't read it.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, V-Bombs, question. Sorry, I'm in late. But what live concerts have you been to?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's just a totally awesome random question that has nothing to do with the nonsense. Yeah, we have been to a lot of Depeche Mode concerts. Pretty much every tour since we escaped. I've been to, I was also at the concert for the masses at the Pasadena Rose Bowl um front row center, and that was pretty amazing. That was way back in like 1888.
SPEAKER_03:And you also took our middle son to Billy Eilish.
SPEAKER_00:I did. I we we are very live concert comedy festivals, music. We do all that.
SPEAKER_03:We've gone to a lot of comedy shows.
SPEAKER_00:We do a lot of things at Red Rocks here in Colorado. We've been there gazillions of times.
SPEAKER_03:I went to Florence and the Machine with Mike and Christy. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Didn't you guys also go to some other you went to another concert with Mike and Christy too? Wasn't it uh anyway? We've been to a lot of concerts. How about that?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah. We're good.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think we could name them all.
SPEAKER_04:No.
SPEAKER_00:We did, and we did travel to two different states to go to concerts with the kids as well. We went to Texas, they went and saw Depeche Mode in San Antonio, and we went and saw Depeche Mode in Las Vegas. My favorite movie. I went by myself and some friends.
SPEAKER_03:Our youngest son was not feeling great, and he threw up all over the stairs of the stadium.
SPEAKER_00:That was true, yeah. That was not a good look.
SPEAKER_03:Not a great look.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. All right, ready for more questions.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:All right, Japan of Green Haven't very depe. Question, Claire.
SPEAKER_03:Did you like Depeche Mode before you met Mark? So I knew of Depeche Mode. I didn't dislike them, but I will say it's fair to say that by proximity, I've come to appreciate Depeche Mode. I wouldn't say I'm like a fan on the level of Mark or Shannon, but I do enjoy their music and I especially appreciate the role they've played in our lives and in our relationships.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so there you go.
SPEAKER_00:Um thank you, Japan of Green Gables. I love Japan of Green Gables was always Mike's favorite screen name.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Japan of Green Gables. He was like, he would, he would, I think he would mention it every time he would see it. He would say, I love that name. Japan of Green Gables. He was just always just I love that.
SPEAKER_03:Because I think he watched Anne of Green Gables on the show with Jack.
SPEAKER_00:But he was like, that's the best name ever. Japan of Green Gables. Okay. Um there's another good comment. Thank you for that. Um Trevanon going in to piling in. Um thank you. Um I just can't get enough. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, here we go.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. And it made my day whenever Mike said that. Yes, completely.
SPEAKER_00:Um, okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:We love you, Mike. Still me question. Did you think that they may not give you your stuff back? Oh, 100%.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because it had been months. It was sort of like, what is I we didn't, we were kind of like, this is weird.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like, why are they what like they it would literally, it's we're literally it's one room. It's a bedroom and a bathroom. It would take, it would take me and Claire two hours to put it in a truck and be and drive away.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So it's like, how is this taking three months to get?
SPEAKER_03:And not only that, but it wasn't so much the the things, you know, our clothes or whatever, because like I said, we'd eaten by then, we'd slept by then, we were, you know, re-acclimating to life in the real world, but they had our valuable documents, my passport, our marriage certificate, like all these things that we needed in order to get back on our feet.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. It was getting, it was getting a little old.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:That we needed these things to do things.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and also it was wearing on us. Like the moment Warren McShane called us, to me, that was a flipping point. Like when he expected us to go back and do the rehabilitation project force, we we were both like, even me, I was like, Are you literally out of your mind? Like, you're an alien telling me to to go and do a slave reprogramming after I've been sleeping. I have a job, I have an apartment, all this. Anyway.
SPEAKER_01:This is great. Cal crack me in.
SPEAKER_03:Were your belongings packed carefully or just kind of thrown in? I'm thinking of hiring the cult to move.
SPEAKER_01:Good job, Cal. That really hit me in the funds.
SPEAKER_03:Um we should leave a Yelp review. Religious Technology Center Moving Servant. Chelsea Graves. Five stars. Chelsea Graves. She she did a great job to begin with, but she clearly burned out towards the end.
SPEAKER_01:Um okay, let's just see if there's any more.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, my God, like this is why this document that we shared today, I think it's safe to say it's one of the craziest documents. Like, we've we've given this to every single law enforcement attorney, news show, documentary we've ever been a part of. And it was so over the top. That's why Mark was like, we've got to do a deep dive on this. And even Clara was like, this is crazy. Yeah. Like, yeah. Oh, here we go. Clara, reminder: please consider purchasing a Davy doll before Mark keeps adding more to the studio. It's getting freaky. I did it.
SPEAKER_00:I added all these guys, and I've been this guy, that's his new spot. He loves it. And this, I like he likes to put this leg up, but let this one kind of hang low right there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, but yeah, we are giving away um Davy dolls in the giveaway. We're doing a giveaway today, and some people won some bobbleheads today, too.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, they did. Um, but because leading up to Christmas, we're doing hoping to do a final stretch. Let's sell out the last of the freaky Davy Navy Davies.
SPEAKER_05:These things are haunting my shop right now.
SPEAKER_03:I know. I like when people are like, I won the giveaway, but they're a little too creepy for my don't do that.
SPEAKER_00:Don't say that.
SPEAKER_03:No, they're funny though. Okay. You know, you gotta have fun with it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, here. Oh, coffee milk guy.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, coffee milk, dude. I got all of my stuff back except for any pictures, including myself and my wife. They were all edited out, deleted. They don't want you to have any evidence. Yes, exactly. We had us with David Miscavige that were never sent to it.
SPEAKER_00:The only pictures that we got were pictures that only we were in. That's right. All the pictures we had with any other base staff. So our wedding video had other in base Sea Org members in it, so they didn't give us our wedding video. Our wedding pictures had other, they wouldn't give us our wedding pictures. So they you're CoffeeMilk Dude is totally right. They did vet out and take all the other stuff. Now, you know, this is the craziest thing, and I'm gonna say it. Remember, I said I put that USB stick on the ironing board? Yeah, I saw it on the inventory.
SPEAKER_03:What?
SPEAKER_00:When I was reading the list, it was on there.
SPEAKER_03:What yeah. So we have that somewhere?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:We might want to go through the bar dive.
SPEAKER_01:We might do a deep dive on our if you guys watch the channel, you know that I said I put a whole bunch of pictures on a USB drive.
SPEAKER_00:And there was that USB drive was in the inventory. I didn't it wasn't back like now, I have like a hundred USB drives. Back then, I had a hundred no, but I'm saying back then I had one.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's crazy. And there was one in there.
SPEAKER_00:Well, see, folks, thanks to this episode today, perhaps I I'm gonna go on a limb and say that Chelsea 100% erased that drive if it was in there.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:She wouldn't have just thrown it in a box. No, unless she didn't know what it was, but she wrote on it one USB drive. Anyway, if you guys want to go back through the lists and freeze and see where that USB drive is, you'll see it on there. It is on the list.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, thank you, Coffee Milk Dude. Um, okay, what else we got? Let's see if we got any other new ones.
SPEAKER_03:That'd be crazy if they sent you that thumb drive. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_00:It would be kind of wild. There's pictures of Tom Cruise and David Miscavige snowmobiling, pictures of them pictures of them jerking around with David Beckham and Real Madrid. Um, we're talking 2004 Tom Cruise Depeche Mode bromance, which was the heavy bromance period right then.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:When they really were grabbing him.
SPEAKER_03:The just can't get enough series.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when Risky Business, Mr. Risky Business with and uh Davy, Captain Davy fake navy were pffff, they were everywhere. There's pictures in London, Spain, uh I think Alaska, snowmobile being scuba diving. I there might even have been pictures of them on the sailboat. I think there was a lot of personal.
SPEAKER_03:Trevor says, Osa's freaking out right now. Yep. Hey, I didn't straight skippy. I didn't take it.
SPEAKER_01:If they put it in that stuff and put it on the list, I think that's pretty much a get out of jail free card for me.
SPEAKER_03:You do.
SPEAKER_01:You gave me the picture.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you literally handed it over if encouraged.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not turning the house upside down looking for that thing. But if I find it, I'm definitely gonna pop it in a complete.
SPEAKER_03:We will let you know if there's a part two coming.
SPEAKER_01:Pop it on the pooder and let's see what's going on.
SPEAKER_03:Unfortunately, unfortunately, the reality and facts of life are that um should there be said thumb drive, the task of finding said drum thumb drive will fall right here.
SPEAKER_01:Pretty much Dr.
SPEAKER_03:Hi all for those that have left. Did they have the same experience as you, or was it special for you guys since Claire was in RTC? Would it take this long for people to get their things back? It's absolutely bonkers. Great music taste.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I don't know actually. I've we've heard from other people, like since we left. Um, we've heard from people that got$5,000 to sign the papers. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:We've heard, I mean, this is an actual ours, our I would say it's fair, it's fair to say that ours was was on the more extreme side, yes, but not an exception.
SPEAKER_00:And also take it for take into consideration, we had never spoken out or said anything between this and in this entire.
SPEAKER_03:We were born into Scientology, so we ne didn't even have a a blemish on our history in that regard.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, but we didn't say anything bad about Scientology. No, we weren't messing with them, we weren't doing anything that would be perceived by them as bad, except for that we just left. We didn't want to stay there anymore.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. Now oh look here, let me show this comment.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I yeah, I never got anything back and no cash for signing papers. Good job, Techie. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Um I mean, not good on never getting anything.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, but also he's got all new good shit now. So I wouldn't worry. Yeah. I I get it. If you lost some personal things, that's a bummer. But anyway, so also Techie left very shortly. He actually, I think he might have left before we left.
SPEAKER_04:He did.
SPEAKER_00:So but also whatever. Whatever people know who he is.
SPEAKER_03:Uh I don't know about that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I didn't say his name.
SPEAKER_03:Nope.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, there have there's other people that we've heard that got anywhere from 5,000 to 50,000 to 300,000. That's what we've heard on the whisper web of the people who've left.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But also the other thing that they're doing now, and this is if you know somebody who left and you and this didn't happen to them, well, there's a few things you can check into, or you can just, if you know these things, it'll make it make a little bit more sense. If they're in Los Angeles or Clearwater or someplace where there's a Scientology organization, and they just happen to work for a Scientology-owned company or a company that donates lots of millions of dollars to Scientology, um, or if they live and work with other Scientologists or they're friends with other Scientologists, then they made a deal. Yep. That's just how that is. They they said we'll do, we'll either do whatever you want us to do, we'll sign paperwork. But if we can talk to, if they can talk to their families, they made a deal with Scientology, and you will never hear them say anything because Scientology's given them help with their website and pictures if they worked at Golden Air Productions projects they worked in, or they're hooking them up with other media productions that are Scientology related to keep them still in the fold, and they're giving them income.
SPEAKER_03:And not to name any names, but have you heard uh Tommy Davis talk about abuses he witnessed? Yeah, Angie Blankenship, Eric Geisler.
SPEAKER_00:I like how you say not to name names, and then you name three names.
SPEAKER_03:Very intentionally. These people have all witnessed abuses, and there is a long list we could go on. There's a lot of people that have gotten out and have kept their mouths shut, those are the people that have been paid off.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I don't this is a hard this is a selfie's choice sort of thing because it is. Either you're out on your own and you might end up homeless because you're going to lose all your network and you're going to lose all your family and you're going to lose all your friends and you're going to lose any chance to use anything you did, any products you may or may not have helped produce as leverage to be able to make it in the real world. Um or you do get all that and you get some money and they hook you up with work and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I get it. It's one of those things you have to make a decision. If you want it to be nice for you.
SPEAKER_03:Now this may be that's that's where it's selfish.
SPEAKER_00:I understand this may be controversial.
SPEAKER_03:Silence is selfish in this scenario.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna go out on a limb and I'm gonna say some shit that people are gonna get unhappy about. But if you're in prison and somehow your dumbass breaks out as we did, and you get free, uh-huh, as we did, and then you know your friends are still there, uh-huh, and they're not gonna be able to get out. They're stuck.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And you know some of those people also don't want to be there, and they've been trying to escape, or they've been trying to escape five times and they always get caught because for whatever reason, they're not as lucky, they're not as skilled, they they buckled or they let on that they were up to no good and they got caught before they could escape, or however it went down.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Would you not try to do something to to aid them to get out or to enable them to get away easier? I would. I would say, yeah, these guys are being held prisoner there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:To try to help it so they can get out.
SPEAKER_03:When you we did the years.
SPEAKER_00:But I'm saying when we did the forced abortion thing, they couldn't do that for a while.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And so people that got pregnant, they gave them the money, they made them sign the papers, and they let them go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And those kids, those people have families in it.
SPEAKER_03:All the people that we know that were prevented from having children, that now have children, you're welcome. It was not, it was at extreme personal cost to us personally.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't think that just because they're still there that they're bad, or they don't think they're bad. But they don't they don't deserve nothing.
SPEAKER_03:That did witness personal abuses, like the Angie Blankenships of the world, yeah, those are the people I'm not willing to give.
SPEAKER_00:I understand. And I understand, and I I'm not. I do, yes, I understand. And I also do understand that it is so Sophie's chance. They either have to Sophie's choice. Sophie's choice, chance, tchotchki. Either way, they have to decide.
SPEAKER_03:They're putting their own personal comfort and benefits and life ahead of what's right. Do you think it was comfortable for us to speak out about forced a lot of people?
SPEAKER_00:I'm not saying we did the wrong thing. I'm on team BFG, okay? I'm just saying.
SPEAKER_03:I we're just having a winning.
SPEAKER_00:I understand that some people think that the Sea Org members should just be high and dry because they're in the Sea Org. They're they're pieces of junk. But a lot of those people aren't.
SPEAKER_03:I don't.
SPEAKER_00:But the ones who leave, you're right. The ones who leave and and do make a deal, they basically did it for them and their family.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And Scientology is going to keep getting away with shit because they're not saying Okay, great.
SPEAKER_03:Lovely. You can speak to your mom, Eric Eisler. I can't speak to my mom, and yet I have conviction.
SPEAKER_01:Player's definitely winning.
SPEAKER_03:This is not a right thing to do.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not challenging this. I'm just basically saying we made a decision that we were going to take the harder road.
SPEAKER_03:And it has been very hard.
SPEAKER_00:The hard road less travel.
SPEAKER_03:That's where I have strong feelings.
SPEAKER_01:The narrowest pass is often the holiest.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. I I think everyone gets it. Louise. Okay. I'm not arguing.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I have a whole thing for this. Sorry. Yeah. So we're going to do this now, right?
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:There we go. Oh, hi, Phil. If all those under the radar decided to speak out, it would have a huge impact. Yes. And I do agree. It's it's a personal choice. I just know I'm talking about a very select segment.
SPEAKER_00:No, I get it. Yes. I get it. I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Eric Eisler, Angie Blinkenship, and the other one.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:I don't remember the other one anymore, but I remember there were three of them. Marty Rathley.
SPEAKER_01:Tommy Davis.
SPEAKER_00:Tommy Davis. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Tommy Davis has a Sea Org tattoo. I mean, he is.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, come on. Yeah. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. State Navy Davy Doll photo contest. Okay.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Now, I'm not going to say we spent a lot of time throwing this together, but we didn't get that many photos, and I didn't see one on um social media. No one tagged me. No, but no one tagged me on any that they posted.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Or if they did, I didn't see them.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. So we're going to streamline.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we'll figure that part out. But we did pick some that we liked from the ones that we were sent. And you got to send them. You got to go to Blown for Good, and you got to go to the contact us page, and that's where you can send us the photo. Yes, we do. To make sure that we see that.
SPEAKER_03:A bunch of people did, and these were the best of the ones we received.
SPEAKER_00:These were the finalists that we picked our.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Kaz said she tagged one. We'd we so we apologize. Sorry. We'll get we'll get better at the administration of the case.
SPEAKER_00:I looked, I didn't see it.
SPEAKER_03:We've had a lot going on, so our bad. Um it's all good.
SPEAKER_00:We have one that the ones we get sent. Yeah. We pick my favorite one, your favorite one. Yes. And then whatever the one that's shared on social media gets the most uh reach or likes or retweets or f whatever, depending on where you do it.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Put tag the blown for good page. I think we have an account on everything Insta, Facebook, Twitter, X, everything. Yeah. Most of everything. Okay. The ones, the big ones. Okay. And then we'll see which one gets the most likes or retweets or shares, and then that we'll pick from those which one is the best. If there's one that's more than all the rest, then it's the winner.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and then probably mid-December, we can do the best of the best. Like of all the photos we've received leaving leading up to Christmas, yeah. We'll do the best of the best.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, good.
SPEAKER_03:Apostate Alexander. Don't forget to tag David Miscavige. Tag David Miscavige too. Boom. Thank you. That's funny. That is funny.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so yeah, this is how it goes. Uh fan favorite, most shared or liked, Claire favorite, Mark favorite. Whoever that wins those gets uh Leah Bobblehead. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, this one was my favorite.
SPEAKER_00:LOL.
SPEAKER_03:JV LOL, I beat my staff.
SPEAKER_01:That's it. Claire liked that one. That really, that really rings true.
SPEAKER_03:It is 100% true.
SPEAKER_01:Really hit Claire in the fields on that one.
SPEAKER_03:Beats his staff with his dumbass face.
SPEAKER_01:Postulating for that doll.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. Coffee moped. Okay. Nice.
SPEAKER_01:What thumb drive is missing? Yeah. Okay. I like this one.
SPEAKER_03:Apostay Alex says with the hashtag, hashtag alarm and distress.
SPEAKER_01:I like that. Distress. Yes, there we go. Now, this is just a postate Alex hijacking this thing for his own enjoyment.
SPEAKER_02:Go, Alex.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Chewy toy Davy. Okay, now this is good. I don't people thought I was joking around. We really do marinate. You can marinate a Davy doll. Look at look at how good I am with my positioning. See, I got a Claire angle.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, hey, don't cover my face.
SPEAKER_00:And then I got a me angle. Look at that. It's a duh, it's a twofer. Anyway, you marinate one of these in about you can do it an hour, or you can do it overnight. You marinate, you get a gallon ziploc bag, you marinate a little Davy doll with some catnip.
SPEAKER_03:What's the name of our catnip?
SPEAKER_00:It's called catcrack.
SPEAKER_03:Catcrack. You can buy it on Amazon.
SPEAKER_00:And those cats.
SPEAKER_03:It's special Colorado version of catching.
SPEAKER_01:It really is. These cats. They just start boom.
SPEAKER_03:They're there. Anyway. They're on it. They're like, did somebody say cat crack?
SPEAKER_00:So you put this guy, you marinate a little Davy doll with I'd say maybe let's say a tablespoon.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Tablespoon of cat crack off Amazon.
SPEAKER_01:We should list that in our products. We might sell a lot of cat crack. I'll see if I can put it up in the products on the video. But either way.
SPEAKER_03:I I know an idea.
SPEAKER_01:I know an idea. That's what our kids, our little kids used to say.
SPEAKER_03:We can make a package that goes with this. It's called fake navy gravy.
SPEAKER_01:Sounds like more merch stuff for me to make and send out.
SPEAKER_03:Come on.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, if you do that and you give this guy to your cats, your cats will do everything that's photogenic with little Davy Davy here. Fake Navy Davy here. Okay. Now we also did have some honorable mentions, which is um this is a great one. This Davy doll is that he's trying to save his files from being his David Miscavige's files from being taken. And the little fake navy doll is literally clinging to the last moment before the FBI opened the drawer and get the files out.
SPEAKER_02:He's like, not my files.
SPEAKER_00:And then there's another two choo toy uh just hanging with the dog and the cat.
SPEAKER_03:And the best is the look on the cat's face, and the dog's like, back it off, honey.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, this is my Davy doll.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then we we have Clara doing an operation.
SPEAKER_03:Operation.
SPEAKER_00:I thought she was doing some kind of voodoo magic man, but not that's not what it was.
SPEAKER_03:It was she was you said voodoo magikman?
SPEAKER_00:Voodoo Magikman. Bakinbol. Buck and bowl, voodoo magikman. If you know what movie that's from, put it in the comments and I will be amazed.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Bakinbull. Voodoo Magikman. Okay. Um, still me. Oh, thanks for that. Still me had a good comment, too. And then he oh my god, we're getting silver, we're getting stickers in the street. Oh, thank you, coffee milk, dude. We haven't done that in a long time. We appreciate you guys doing this. But thank you. Now I think we I mean, we might have to start doing longer videos again because we are doing a double what we normally do.
SPEAKER_03:Hold on.
SPEAKER_00:All of me.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know what that is.
SPEAKER_01:Voodoo Magic Man. Back and bowl.
SPEAKER_03:That's what I was wondering if that was the answer to that.
SPEAKER_01:Backenbowl.
SPEAKER_03:That was all of me.
SPEAKER_00:I have to look. Voodoo Magic Man. It might be two different movies, and I'm putting them in the same thing.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Backenball and Voodoo Magic Man.
SPEAKER_03:Meaning you're altering.
SPEAKER_00:I could be doing two separate movies, and they already got both of them. That's pretty good, guys.
SPEAKER_02:I think Trading Places.
SPEAKER_00:I'm pretty sure Bak and Bowl. Bakinball is trading places. And Voodoo Magic Man is another one. Anyway, Japan and Green Gables. Did you put that up or did I put that up?
SPEAKER_04:I put that up.
SPEAKER_00:What was the first Apeche Mode concert after escaping? Like it was pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. We actually went when Claire was pregnant.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. I was like eight months pregnant.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And it was in LA.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And it was at the Staples Center.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, it was.
SPEAKER_00:It was and it was an amazing show. It was 2005.
SPEAKER_03:Um 2006. I want to say it was the beginning of 2006. January 2005.
SPEAKER_00:It was a good concert. So anyway, our firstborn, for those of you who don't know, our family has a giant peshmode Easter egg. Our first son is actually, his name is Caliad. We and he goes by Cale for He goes by Kale, but Caliad is a B-side of Policy of Truth.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And I told Claire, no matter what, that first kid's getting named Caliad. It can be a girl, it can be a gal. It's getting Caliad. It's going to be its shink shang name. And we had a boy and it was Caliad, and it's an awesome. And he just a huge he's a huge depeche mode fan now. He is. He wasn't, but now he is. And it is kind of like his name is a depeche mode fan.
SPEAKER_03:He's had a few, a few teachers over the years that were huge depeche mode fans. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And when he said his name was Kalia, they were just like, Yeah, he's gotten some good brownie points for that.
SPEAKER_03:Oh.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_03:Um, hold on. Let me put this up. It looks like prizes.
SPEAKER_00:Mike Render, Leah Remedy, Bobblehead. Thank you, everyone. He knows he's too cute. He's a mixed breed. Carn Terrier and Pomeranian. He's probably spoiled, but you can be spoiled if you deserve it. Oh, this is the bird right here. The dog. The bird.
SPEAKER_03:Um I thought it was the other one.
SPEAKER_00:There we go. That one. This one. Yeah. Braun one, you won.
SPEAKER_03:Yay.
SPEAKER_00:So you're getting a Leah or Mike Bobblehead, you get to pick. And L O L, I beat my staff. You won. Um, you're getting a Leah or Mike Bobblehead, you get to take your pick.
SPEAKER_05:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Email Claire at blumforgood.com and she will send you a link, and you just basically place the order and it just gets sent to you. You're gonna go.
SPEAKER_03:And we'll do a a draw for today for anyone who has commented.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna do a giveaway as well.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, because we're gonna keep this.
SPEAKER_00:Um the generosity is just uh is outstanding. This is an onslaught of extreme generosity. Um we're doing it. I'm gonna hit the button.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, now remember disclaimer we didn't build this tool, we didn't program this tool, we have no influence over this tool. This is the StreamWard giveaway tool. You go on, you say which stream, it pick it takes any comment, any person who's commented, and it just selects. You just get as soon as you comment, you're entered into win. There's been a hundred there may have been 500 comments, but 120 different people made those comments, and then I draw, and then it does all the work. I I see you just saw my name up there. Yep, but I didn't, I didn't, I'm not doing this. Oh, Japanna Green Gabbles, oh, oh, Dr. X, oh Rose, oh Buckwheat!
SPEAKER_03:Boom! Buckwheat. Congratulations.
SPEAKER_00:That's two Eddie Murphy references in one show, Trading Places and Buckwheat.
SPEAKER_03:Nice, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:I just stole an Eddie Murphy story yesterday, too, about when I got beat up in school.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I told an Eddie Murphy joke, and I was on the wrong part of the joke.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, you were. You were on the show.
SPEAKER_00:If anybody knows Eddie Murphy's giving early albums, I played the part of the kid that said the thing because I said the thing, and then I got beat up, just like the kid in the joke did.
SPEAKER_03:Eddie Murphy's. There you go. Buckwheat, send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com with your address, and we will get you a fake navy Davy doll that does not cause alarm and distress.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Um, should we do a few more questions or we should we call it? I mean, I'm having fun. We're here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we're good.
SPEAKER_00:We're not always come down here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, we don't always have a we usually have a rest of Murph, Charlie Murphy.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Rest of me rest in peace, Charlie Murphy. Um, congratulations, Buckwheat.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Oh I do see what they're talking about now that I can see all that your Davy collection there behind your laptop. It's a little concerning.
SPEAKER_00:I tried to make see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, but you know, Davy's not the most skilled. Okay. It's just he can do what he can do.
SPEAKER_02:Yep, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:Um okay. Um, yeah, congratulations to all the people that uh got something. I'm looking for questions now, and I'm going back up. We've been yipping and yapping and doing a lot of.
SPEAKER_03:Hold on. I'll look for some.
SPEAKER_00:Um if you have a question, put it in there and we'll get to it. Oh, actually, sorry, there's 56 start. Um, but most of these are people. I am gonna do a new thing um at the end of the video. Like, watch, I'll show you something, guys. If I put up comments, you can see them now live. So if if somebody makes a comment now, um, it should show right up on the um, there you go. So for the end of the video, I I'm just gonna put it on like this. And so if you post something, it'll be up. That way I don't have to go to different ones, you'll just see it, and it'll just be on the screen. How about that?
SPEAKER_03:Here we go. Yep. Technology okay. Here I'm pulling up a comment. Phil Jones says, You know what you need to do is their standard line. I've been fed that also. Yeah, that's in reference to you know what you need to do to get able to get your family back to talk to them or in our emails, it's pretty spelled out, pretty clear. It is.
SPEAKER_00:They they absolutely had told your family that you can't talk to us.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. What now? Sorry, Phil says, after your stuff was in the truck, did they declare the truck suppressive?
SPEAKER_00:That's a good suppressive truck. It's got to go.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Um, anyway, yeah, in our emails, it's pretty clear that they absolutely do um make your people disconnect from you. They don't give you a choice. Yeah, and even if the person is confused or doesn't want to do it, they're basically like, if you don't do it, you're gonna be declared a suppressive person too, and then you're gonna be out.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, it's a bummer, guys. We're fighting it. Um we're trying to ex we're trying to tell you as many stories as we can, and we're also trying to do it in a sem semi-entertaining way so that it's that's our hope anyway, digestible. And then you get it. It's not we're not, it's not like it's not like we're making all this shit up. We got we got the receipts all over the place, and we've been giving them, we've given all this stuff to the FBI, even the FBI, even the FBI agents. When they when we showed them this list, the key thing that was important to them that was on the list was the passport, yep, was the birth certificate, was the marriage license, was all your legal documents, they had been holding on to those.
SPEAKER_03:And just the volume of our belongings that they held on to for three months after we'd escaped.
SPEAKER_00:And that they took out all the pictures and they basically destroyed any evidence we would have had by going through all of our stuff and stripping it of any evidence that we had.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. So and yet still there were a few, there was like a thank you note from David Miscavige that slipped through because they Did I ever say that we had that birthday video?
SPEAKER_00:The birthday video of Tom Cruise and David Miscavige on the free winds. That now there's two versions of this story.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because we had a CD that was a birthday party that Tom Cruise had on the free winds. That they gave to us. Now it was in it was stuck to an Enya CD that they gave us. It was one of those CDs that's on there.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it was the shiny side that was stuck to no, it was the label side that was stuck to the uh some music CD. And so it said Enya or whatever it said, and then on the other side it was silver. But it uh the because they had printed a custom label on this Tom Cruise birthday DVD, it was stuck to the Enya DVD. So unless you put it in the CD player, you wouldn't have known it was a Tom Cruise birthday DVD.
SPEAKER_04:Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, they sent that to us.
SPEAKER_03:They did.
SPEAKER_00:And then I think I did a spy files about this, actually, now that I think of it.
SPEAKER_03:Did you? I don't know. I didn't know it.
SPEAKER_00:It's in one of the spy files because Mike was trying to talk to whatever TV station I was trying to.
SPEAKER_03:They had drafted a lawsuit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, they had a whole lawsuit drawn up and all that stuff. Anyway, there's a video of Tom Cruise dancing around dancing the fool and a whole bunch of musicians.
SPEAKER_03:Japan of Green Gable says, I can't imagine David Miscavige listening to anything. Yeah, I know his jam. Mind you, uh I don't know, you'd be surprised if somebody said McShane's jam was uh sounds like it's super likely they sent the USB.
SPEAKER_01:I never even thought about that, but you're right. They might have sent that USB. It might have just pushed it off the ironing board into one of those boxes.
SPEAKER_03:It was one of the nights when Chelsea had been up all night trying to get this done.
SPEAKER_01:That would be so crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, there's a video on the internet somewhere of Tom Cruise dancing around on the free ones, and David Miscavige and Shelly Miscavige are in the front row, and Larissa's there, and all the fuddy duddies are there, and Ron Miscavige is playing trumpet, and they did the Mission Impossible guitar Scientology remix and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Um, did we freeze the bees? Um, it looks like we're going out up there.
SPEAKER_03:We did freeze.
SPEAKER_00:We did. Oh, there we go. We're fine. We'll figure it out, guys.
SPEAKER_03:Also was starting to panic about talk too much USB stick talk.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, this is so funny you say this.
SPEAKER_03:Question Does any Scientologist see David Miscavige anymore?
SPEAKER_00:I don't think they do. I think if he's at an event, they might see him, but I think other than that, he is laying low.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I'm gonna do a stream with Alex. What am I doing then?
SPEAKER_03:Um next Wednesday.
SPEAKER_00:I think I'm gonna do a stream on Alex um apostate Alex's channel, and we're gonna talk about the IAS events.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna tell you guys it's on this coming Wednesday, October 8th.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna tell you guys all kinds of David Miscavige crazy IAS stories and things that happen at events and people that got sent to the RPF for films not playing the way, all that stuff of all the IAS and the tents and the this's and the that's um okay. Uh Al Postax, yes, Wednesday. I can't wait. Okay, good. Yeah. Hopefully we I don't know if we're doing it live. I don't know what we're doing it. That's it's uh it's gonna be on Alex's channel. Um and Alex can tell you what time because I don't know. It's whatever time Alex wants to do it. I'm doing it on his schedule. It's down for to be fair though, it's gonna be in the day for me, no matter what.
SPEAKER_03:We have it on I have it on our calendar for 2 p.m.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Okay. Um, I say we do a few last questions and then we wrap it up.
SPEAKER_03:Perfect. Sounds good.
SPEAKER_00:Um, sure, Japan and Green Gables.
SPEAKER_03:Question. I remember hearing that Jesse Prince as Vicky Asnaran's second in command. Claire, did you ultimately get his old post when you were in RTC? Also, love the story about Jesse and Mark's book. Yeah, it was a different organizing structure, so different positions. My position was internal executive, which meant No, no.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I think for a while Jesse Prince was in um correction. He was in ABC and he was the dirt corrector.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yes, so he probably was. I don't I haven't I haven't actually asked Jesse that. I can ping it up.
SPEAKER_00:I'm pretty sure he was in that department.
SPEAKER_03:We we yeah, we probably had the same and yes, apostate Alex says yes, 2 p.m. mountain time.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. There you go. Perfect.
SPEAKER_03:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, here you go.
SPEAKER_03:All right, Auntie M. You could FOIA the stop report if you know the date, location, and approximate time. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you should that should Okay. That's on your list.
SPEAKER_03:All right, great.
SPEAKER_00:It's on your list.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you, Auntie M. I'll get on it.
SPEAKER_00:It's on Claire's list.
SPEAKER_03:It's on my list.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe it'll get done, but if it is, it's gonna get done by her.
SPEAKER_03:You're cruising for a bruise and stop it.
SPEAKER_00:Whatever Claire says is true.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. Yay!
SPEAKER_01:Claire, your flashlight is on your phone. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_00:You got remote old fogied busts. Um, sir, ma'am, uh, your phone's on.
SPEAKER_03:Uh, Auntie M, thank you. I turned it off now.
SPEAKER_00:Um, question any updates on the in base you can share? I drove past it not too long ago. Okay, this is a great last question to end on. From what we've heard, they basically shut down the whole place. Because this is the problem with the in base. They were making things that they were selling.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And they were living on the same property where they were making the things. If you work somewhere and you make something that your boss sells and you can't leave, that's a huge, huge indicator that human trafficking is taking place. And so during our lawsuit and during the FBI investigation, they shut down everything that gets done at the MPase. They no longer produce anything that gets sold there, and they moved all of the media productions to Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And they basically made it so the people that are there are doing like film restoration and they're basically doing busy work nobody cares about. And they can't go anywhere, they can't make anything. And uh, we have heard that hundreds of people have escaped. They've either escaped by having kids or they escaped by just leaving, or something or other they managed to get out. Now, a great majority of those people have also signed these deals, or they set them up with websites and resumes and hooked them up with rich Scientologists to work for in their including people that tried to break out through the gate, including people that we know for fact tried to escape at least on two prior occasions. Yes. And those people were allowed to make a deal and escape.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:And a lot of these are couples.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:They could have gotten pregnant, they could have done a lot of different things, but whichever way it worked out, they were able to get out. And they were given jobs and they were hooked up with deals and they got to see their families, their Scientologists' families, and everything in Scientology is perfect. And that's why they tried to escape twice before they finally ended up somehow making a deal and getting out. So I I count that as a win on our end that they were able to get out and then they got a better deal because they knew they could be a problem if they stuck together and made a problem.
SPEAKER_04:Yep.
SPEAKER_00:Either way, they got out and they're living their lives. Whether they're still under Scientology's control and they're never gonna say anything, the jury's still out. Who knows? Maybe they'll come forward and they'll light up Scientology and they'll tell them everything they know. Because if they do that, it's not gonna break any of the agreements because it is illegal for you to sign an agreement that says you won't tell about somebody who's breaking the law or committing a crime or committing a felony or a misdemeanor or whatever. You can say that all you want, and no NDA can protect that. Um, and that's the reason why we've always not been worried about legally what Scientology is going to be able to do to us, because if as long as we tell the truth and we almost all the things that happened, we have people that know that the same thing happened or they were there or whatever. So we're kind of covered. As long as we tell the truth, we'll be fine. Um question why do you think Scientology didn't go after Nixium or sue them for squirreling the tech? I don't really think they even thought Nixium was even a thing that they cared about. I don't, we weren't there when the Nixiem thing kind of hatched up. But also the guy kind of just read it's funny, the guy read Scientology and then he kind of rebranded it to make make it his own thing. He kept a lot of the same concepts and the things, he just named them different things, but that's essentially what Hubbard did anyway.
SPEAKER_05:Right.
SPEAKER_00:He copied other people's stuff and then just rebranded it. So kind of uh the the Nixiem guy did exactly what Hubbard did. So it's sort of like you can't say this guy's a bad guy because that's the same thing that Hubbard did. Anyway, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I wanted to cover this one. Lillian says, Will there be a follow-up show on Surge?
SPEAKER_00:Short on Surge. Yeah, we could do one. I just talked to Serge today. Yeah, well, he sent me a message.
SPEAKER_03:He left me a message. Um, he is now in a really good program that um is helping him to um get life skills and so forth. He's doing great with that. And Mark and I are bringing him out here for Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER_00:So he's gonna come for Thanksgiving, it's gonna be a blast.
SPEAKER_03:Luckily, Mark travels a lot, so we're using his points to fly Serge out to spend Thanksgiving with us. So there you go.
SPEAKER_00:Awesome, guys. Um, I think we covered it all today. We did we did a little bit of a longer episode. So, those of you on the podcast, hopefully um, you still will will stick with us. You know, I want to say I got an email from the podcast place that we are in, we were in the top five percent of podcasts, and we are now in the top three percent of podcasts. And I think if we get like 100 more downloads a week, we'll be in the top 1%. That's how close we are from 3% to being in the top. That being said, there are like 50,000 podcasts, so it's still we're not like we're not in the top 100 or top 10, but we are in the top 1%, so or the top three.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, we appreciate to do this work without you being here. So, I mean, we probably would, but it would be kind of quiet if we were just sitting here talking to ourselves, right?
SPEAKER_00:It is. It's sometimes I wonder. I'm like, you know.
SPEAKER_03:So thank you for tuning in and making it worth it to us. And you know what's really funny?
SPEAKER_00:You know what video gets the most views on our channel?
SPEAKER_03:What?
SPEAKER_00:It's a 30-second clip of Tom Cruise and David Miscavige at that birthday party.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:That gets more views than anything on our channel.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, there you go.
SPEAKER_00:And I'm like, okay, I get it. You want to see Tom Cruise for 30 seconds, so you can't listen to me for fucking more than anyway. It is what it is. I don't know what to tell you.
SPEAKER_03:We're good. We're still here.
SPEAKER_00:At least we found out that Claire had her flashlight on. So thanks for that. Appreciate that. It would have been silly. Well, um, thank you for watching, guys. There's an end.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you on TM. Thank you for the listening that I now need to do.
SPEAKER_00:Thanks for all the guys that send super stickers and super chats. We appreciate it. Very generous of you. Oh, I got to put this one there. But there you go. Thank you, guys. Betsy C just squeezed that one in at the last second. Um, okay, I'm gonna put these comments on. And so when the end thing is playing, if you have a comment on, you're gonna see it. Yes, it'll be there. It might not be as big, but it'll be there. Yeah, um, until next time. Thanks for watching. If you'd like to help support the channel, feel free to check out the merch store link in the description. We have Hail Zenu, Xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads, shirts, mugs, all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book, Blown for Good behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, Kindle, and Audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast, and you can get that on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts. And if you'd like to watch another video you can click on this link right here or you could click on this one here or you can click on the subscribe button right here. Thanks a lot until next time
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