Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Inside Scientology’s Int Base Q&A - Scientology Secrets #17
What does life at Scientology’s international headquarters actually look like when the cameras aren’t rolling? We open the map to Gold Base—also known as Int Base—and walk through who’s there, what they do, and why nearly everything meaningful flows through a single point of approval. From RTC and CMO International to Executive Strata and Golden Era Productions, we explain the org chart you never see in the glossy videos, and how AVC “authorizes, verifies, and corrects” plans that still live or die on David Miscavige’s word.
Listeners asked what Gold produces now, and the answer reveals a quiet shift: mass manufacturing moved to Los Angeles years ago, separating living quarters from labor hubs near Bridge Publications and Scientology Media Productions. We address the Hole and the trailers that remain, the surrounding demolitions, and why certain executives haven’t been publicly seen in years. Population wise, the Base peaked around the mid-1990s and has thinned to a fraction, with some older staff moved off-site. The day-to-day reality? Endless approvals for even small liberties, strict security, and drills for fire, floods, intruders, and “blows.” It’s a fortress mindset, built on control and unpredictability.
We also tackle the larger question: who sets policy when the founder is gone? Officially, “Hubbard wrote it all.” Practically, contradictions get resolved by canceling non-Hubbard texts and narrowing authority until it sits in one office. We share how paper boards and undated resignations create distance on paper while preserving command in practice. And while PR boasts of worldwide expansion, we hear from on-the-ground sources that some Ideal Orgs can’t keep the utilities on. It’s a telling gap between message and maintenance.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I'm Mark Headley. I'm joined here by my lovely wife, Claire.
SPEAKER_00:Hello, hello.
SPEAKER_03:Um, today we're gonna do something um a little different than what we've been doing. We're gonna do a QA on the international Scientology base. So last week we did a video where we took you through the entire property and uh we did the uh we showed the Golden Air Productions promotional propaganda video, and then we should did a flyover and we showed the map of the base. It's in my book, Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology. And um we talked about it a lot, but then we didn't um have a lot of time to answer questions. So that we saw that there was a lot of people that had questions. So um so if you want to jam into the uh bloopity bloop in the comments down there, uh question about the base. It helps if you say question before the comment, so we can just pick those out. But um, but while we do that, while you guys do that, we're gonna go and um we like to just kind of uh spend a few minutes welcoming people who are tuning in and where they're tuning in from. Um, and then once we have like enough people in the stream, then we'll uh we'll start.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, sounds good.
SPEAKER_03:Awesome. So here you go.
SPEAKER_00:All righty. Love it. Cool, be back in 29 minutes. Here we are now. Um, all right, Jeremy, hello from Florida, nice.
SPEAKER_03:That was somebody who posted that before the live screen.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, of course. Carla, hello from England, nice. Sherry Woot, hello, hello from Moorhead, Minnesota, nice Cher 2909, hello from the Netherlands. Sherry Lynn, hello from Wasaga Beach, Ontario, Canada. Nice. Ollie, hi all from England. Sweet. Yeah, we're at a different time this week to allow for this.
SPEAKER_03:Same Ollie. Oh, they posted twice.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there you go. Hi all from England. Cher, I watched the Mormon Stories podcast episodes in two days and absolutely loved it. The way you faced everything with strength, grace, and resilience is inspiring. Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, thank you for watching. That was a marathon 11 hours, part one and part two.
SPEAKER_03:That was a lot.
SPEAKER_00:Harvey said hello from Birmingham. Everyone wants home to the worst Scientology org in the whole world, as declared by fake Navy Davy himself. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, that's true. David Miscavige, every once in a while, will uh say you have he'll tell that org, you're the worst org in the world.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Uh Trevanon, good evening from the Netherlands. Nice. Terry, hi from Pittsburgh, awesome. Betsy Sue, greetings from Cameron, North Carolina. Anita, hi from the Netherlands. We love our Netherlands, folks. Ev forklift oh, Ev Forklift. Good morning from SoCal.
SPEAKER_03:E. V. Forklift.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, E. V. Forklift. Trevinon again. Thanks for a very EU-friendly time. Yes, right? Yes. We had to make some adjustments for the Broncos game.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Necessary trouble. Hello from Montana. AGT Mom, North Carolina here. Awesome. List one Rock Slammer. Hi from Coldwater, Florida. There you go. Nice. Pecker Decker. Hello from London.
SPEAKER_03:Perfect.
SPEAKER_00:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, good. Um, let me figure out how to take that off of there. Uh perfect. So um, so I guess what what we covered um in last week's video, we covered um uh one base in California that Scientology has, and that base is called the Int base, the Gold Base, um Int Gold.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Over the rainbow. It used to be referred to as whatever.
SPEAKER_03:But they also call it uh international management, yeah, is also what it's called. It's called a many things, but it's basically where Religious Technology Center, that's the or Scientology organization that David Miscavige is the head of. It's basically just his organization. Um, he's the head of everything else anyway. So, but that's his personal. He's chairman of the board RTC, Religious Technology Center. So that's located there. International management's located there. Um, the executive strata, which is EDN, senior CSN. You know, they have all the international uh heads of all the different kind of various parts of Scientology. And then you have Golden Era Productions, you have um the compilations unit that compiles all of L. Ron Hubbard's original writings and works and figures out where they go and what what time they came from and all this good stuff. And then you have what else is there that I haven't talked about? Um, CMO International. So that comprises all of the people that are in the Commodore's Messenger organization internationally. And so they run all of the other continental Commodore's messengers, CMOs.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And then um and they also um write all the programs and the um basically all the direction that all the individual organizations need to go into. And for pretty much the time that we were there and from night the early 1990s to the early 2005 2005, basically, um management wasn't doing much of anything.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And anything they were doing, it had to go through David Miscavige to be approved. And basically he had to say, yes, that's okay.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And he didn't, yeah. If anyone did anything without it being approved, there was hell to pay, which happened many, many times. Many times. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:But he would essentially say, in order for this to get approved, you have to send it up to RTC, and it has to get approved by RTC.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And and there's a division, or is it a division or a department or a section of RTC called AVC, author authorization, verification, and correction. So they send a program or something up to RTC, to AVC in RTC, and then they have to basically check that program or or plan or strategy or whatever against L1 Hubbard policies. And if they find that it is not in line with L1 Hubbard policies, then they disapprove it. And then that person, that's the authorization and verification part. If it's wrong, then they then that person is submitted to the correction part.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Now, there were even times when a program would get okay, it would get written by somebody in management, and then they would send it to AVC, and AVC would say that's okay. And then David Miscavige would find out about it, and he would say, No. And then it wasn't because it wasn't per Paul, a Paul, it was because it was against what something that he was trying to do. Yeah. He didn't like it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and then everybody along who anyone who had anything to do with approving that would then be in trouble from from AVC, the person who the final signature, every single signature on that um submission was in deep trouble.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, here, do like this. No, put the mic so it's I said do like this, and she just went.
SPEAKER_00:I did.
SPEAKER_03:You know, make the mic so it's like that.
SPEAKER_00:There you go. I got it. It's too early. All right. Um, yeah, well, and also I was gonna um talk about I saw people asking last week, what does that property look like now? Because a lot has changed from what we showed last week with SP moving to Los Angeles.
SPEAKER_03:No, that that that drone video that we showed is six months old.
SPEAKER_00:Right, I know, but I'm talking about the promotional video. Oh, what you mean like like what goes on there now? Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, that's a good point. Well you'll notice in that video they didn't show manufacturing anything. They didn't show packaging and CDs and DVDs, they didn't show any of the physical items. So the things that they showed in that video, those are the things they're still translating stuff, I think. They're still I mean, maybe, maybe they're not. We haven't we haven't heard we didn't we have to ask somebody that we know that has recently left. We have to ask them, do they still do translations?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah from where Catherine just um commented this saying when all of the int management ended up in the hole, we stopped getting any submissions back for years. No one in LA knew what was going on. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So that's a good point. Thank you for that. That's a good Catherine, a rose, whatever she's calling herself these days. Um so like I told you, if there's a program or some kind of thing that a management is trying to get approved, sometimes the continents are saying, we want this. And so the continents report up to Los Angeles, um, and that is middle management in Los Angeles at the Hollywood Guarantee Building in um Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, California. Um so they the the the guys at in LA, they get everything, and then from those they send things to be approved up to int management.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Then int management have to say, yeah, we like this, we like that, and they can send that stuff directly back to them for a lot of things. It doesn't concern that doesn't cons that all of those things don't concern David Miscavige.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Um anyway, so those guys in LA were sending things to Int Management, but Int Management wasn't writing anything back. And then usually there's a policy in Scientology. If you write a uh uh it's called a dispatch, but if you write like an email or you write a message to somebody and say, hey, I need this, this, this, then this, and this and this, and it's their job to give you that thing, they have to answer within 24 hours, right? 24 to 48 hours.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And it's all computerized. This was pre-email, but they had a computerized system that ran on a huge, giant, if you got and if there's any computer buffs out there. Um, Scientology's entire computer network was running on these old DAX, VMS, um like uh just giant Unix servers. Like we're talking about computers that are as big as refrigerators. And even when smaller computers came out, they still used those all the way into the into the 2000s, these really old, ancient technology. And they had microwaves, microwave transmitters and receivers at all the big bases, so in the at least in California. So you would beam things from one to another, and then that's how they would get their secure uh communications around. So almost all this stuff that was being sent from Los Angeles was the was being sent electronically to the AMP base.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then they just would never answer. Like Yeah, that's because they were all off post by uh David Miscavige. Basically just declared them you guys are just total f ups. You can't even answer things. Don't no one, you can't send any communications out because basically he was afraid anything they did would mess up his plans.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, which I mean the the irony of the rat race they were in was you're damned if you do, you damned if you don't. No matter you, you should be doing stuff, you should be getting the orders done, but then when you do, it's just all messed up.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, totally. Okay, here's another good one.
SPEAKER_00:All right, hold on. To get back to where I can see it. Okay. Made Visual Co. question Did Bridge Publications take over all the gold manufacturing stuff you oversaw? When did that transition happen?
SPEAKER_03:Well, they um in the mid-2000s or like I would say late 2000s, going into the 2010s.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we remember I I remember hearing about it around the time of our lawsuit, and it made sense because of the things we were um talking about.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, exactly. If you make something in the same place that you live, you're so if your workplace and your living space are in the same facility or property, um, that is a and and that and those things that you're making are for sale by your employer.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Then that is a a great indicator indicator of human trafficking.
SPEAKER_00:Particularly when they're also holding your passports and things like that. You know, that doesn't help either.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. So the the videos and the basically like the media production end of it moved to this place called Scientology Media Productions. And that's um in Hollywood, used to be the old KCET uh broadcast studios. And the manufacturing part of it moved to a giant warehouse um near downtown Los Angeles, where near where Bridge Publications was located. They built an entirely new warehouse, and I don't remember what they called that. Um, the building that it was in or the street that it was in, um, I think it was called Sheila. Sheila. Somebody, anybody in the comments who knows this, they can they can pop in and tell us. But um, but they took over all the the the A V manufacturing, so that all of that was being done in Los Angeles. I'm not, I don't think that the audiovisual manufacturing was it may be under bridge corporately, but I don't remember. I don't know what the structure of that was because that was after we left. But it wasn't at the international headquarters. And anybody who worked um on something that was sold, it had to be a separate facility that they would leave from and then they would go home to Los Angeles area. So there were buses and vans that were shuttling these people back and forth from that main big blue complex in Los Angeles. It's a Scientology of those buildings that are kind of arranged uh and I guess like a half octagon. Um anyway. I hope that answers your question.
unknown:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, here's another one from oh no, that's Catherine's old one. Okay, question.
SPEAKER_00:All right, Becky, question. What would either of you say to Miscavige today if you had the opportunity? I would say stop hurting people, you know, stop stop whatever.
SPEAKER_03:I would uh yeah, that's gonna make a big like it.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's not.
SPEAKER_03:It's not, but no one's ever, no one's ever uh tried to uh locate his reasoning in the past.
SPEAKER_00:Aren't you full of joy today? Geez.
SPEAKER_03:No one's ever tried to connect to the human side of him before.
SPEAKER_00:No, I would say I know wasted wasted air.
SPEAKER_03:I would say, I would say, hey there, Davy boy. What's up? Hey, fake navy Davy. Hey, I'd say, have you seen the doll we made? That's what I'd say. I'd say, you could go to the SP shop.com.
SPEAKER_00:I'd say SP and proud of it.
SPEAKER_03:You could go to the SP shop and get one of these fit, Davey, if you want. Would that be awesome if he just had one of these on his back shelf? That would be the best.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:We'll send him. We'll send him one.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. There you go. We'll send him an SP bracelet.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Let's see here. Harvey, question. Mitch Brisker wrote in his book that the whole trailers were demolished, but someone who visited recently said the trailers are still there. If so, what purpose do they serve now?
SPEAKER_03:Well, to be fair, um, the whole trailers are are absolutely still there.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But I think the thing that Mitch was mentioning that was demolished were all the houses where people lived along the golf course. And also, there used to be a place where security uh watch people were held, and that was the old Gilman House area. We should have had a map. We should have brought the map. Anyway, um, we still could. We could just show the map. Um, I'll figure that out. But either way, um there were some trailers around the OGH house where people that were underwatch would stay in. And there was old Gilman House, and there was a whole bunch of other outbuilding structures that were up there and that were very close to where the whole trailers were. And those all that stuff was actually demolished. And we showed that on last week's video.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Uh all right. Sorry, I've got to keep switching here.
SPEAKER_02:Why why do you have to keep just don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_00:Question Are the top executives still working there or do they now work from Flag? Um, to from what we've heard, the only people there were some executives moved to Flag. Um, but key people like Mark Yeager and Mark Ingberg, Guillaume, all those people still have not been um seen or heard from.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean they're still there. And we've seen that um they're there. We just don't always see the um I'm just trying to get the map up here while we're doing this. There we go. Oh yeah, there you go. Um sorry guys, I'm just trying to jam this uh jam this together here while we're uh I don't have a camera for you now. Oh there it is. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:We're good.
SPEAKER_03:Perfect. Okay, so yeah, that is the um and actually we could do it like this too, so people could see it a little better. Um so yeah, right, I don't know if they can see, but they probably can't see, but on the upper left-hand side of the map, you see a little cluster of buildings. And then right past that over to the right, there's a big two big empty sort of plots there. That's where OGH and all these the swamp and all these other uh structures were. Okay. Glad we sorted that out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, got that.
SPEAKER_03:Um then also so the top executives, the um they don't work, they didn't send those people to Florida. Most of those people are still located at the international headquarters. They've just been put onto menial tasks, and they're basically not running anything in Scientology.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And but but David Miscavige always had a few people in his inner circle that would go with him places to get his stuff done separate to the management executives, like the Tommy Davises, the Angie Blinkenships.
SPEAKER_03:Penning Bandor.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. Those people would go with him, and everyone, the other executives like Guillaume Leserve, would still be banished in whatever version of the whole is now at the property.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yes. Sorry, I was looking like a goon, just like trying to read. I would change the setup a little bit so that I have the screen where I read the comments is under the camera. So I'm not looking down at my computer the entire stream.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Question. Here's a question. Scientology structure is so obviously patterned after 1950s, 60s, corporate and government bureaucracy painfully asinine. Did anybody at Int see through the banality? Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Well, they can't do anything about it because L. Ron Hubbard wrote, he is the one who created the structure of Scientology.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you can't criticize structure based on Hubbard policy because that would be uh that means you're suppressive.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. And also, it is pretty crazy that like there were you're right, there was an insane amount of bureaucracy. So if you had if you wanted to take a day off and you were in the grounds department, okay, and you said, Hey, I mowed, I mowed some lawns this week. I really took took care of business on the lawn mowing. And if your stat if you look if you mowed more lawns than last week, then your statistics were up, then you could take a one-day liberty. And this is for a very brief New York second in the 1990s, and it didn't if for a few years in the 1990s, people were being able to do it.
SPEAKER_00:And it was not every week, it was every other week.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, every other week, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Didn't you have the the record of the longest running I did having taken liberty every two weeks for like three years from 90 to 93? And then after that, it was there, they were kind of dry spell after that.
SPEAKER_03:Just a 12-year dry spell.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know. I always felt it was so unfair. You got to go take the day off, and I couldn't even go with you.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, it sucks to suck. Uh anyway, we had um we, if you were in the grounds department, let's say you were the mu the field, this the sports field lawn mower or whatever it was, you would have to send the proposal to you would have to write a whole proposal to take that day off. It wasn't a given. No, you had to ask for it if you qualified for it.
SPEAKER_00:And there was all these other factors that had to be in place in order for you to Yeah, and any one person of the five people that had to approve it, they could easily just say, Nope, can't go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, they would just say, No, uh, it's not we have too much to do, you can't go.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Or you didn't replace yourself.
SPEAKER_00:If you if you Or David Miscavige is on the property, we can't be gal you can't be gallivanting around him at He can't run into you at Walmart if he's in town buying something. Anyway, he never went to Walmart.
SPEAKER_03:Hey. I bet you he was there. I bet you if we pulled the footage, he was there once or twice.
SPEAKER_00:Maybe. I kind of doubt it.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, um, you'd have to submit your proposal to your senior. So let's say your senior was the the the fields I see. So you had a certain, you mowed, and he was in charge charge of the fields, which would be the sprinklers and the grass and everything. Then he'd have to then it they would have to go from you to your senior, then from him to the director of the grounds report or the what do they call section head?
SPEAKER_00:The department head.
SPEAKER_03:Department head.
SPEAKER_00:So it's above that.
SPEAKER_03:And then it had to go to the um the executive over those divisions, which varied over the years, but they'd have to go to the what was called executive secretary.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And then that would have to go to the executive director.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, or the commanding officer.
SPEAKER_03:The commanding officer.
SPEAKER_00:And so then it would also have to go to the ethics department. So they would say sometimes even security had to sign off on it too. Just depending.
SPEAKER_03:Well, no, they would side-check it when it would get to the top.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They would go through the phone.
SPEAKER_00:And then it would be held at the booth so that anytime somebody was leaving the property, they security would have to double check to make sure it had been approved. Make sure that they were on the process. Yes, exactly. I wonder if anyone ever tried to falsify, like just sign off, like copy the signatures.
SPEAKER_03:Well, whose signatures?
SPEAKER_00:On the like the executives. Did somebody ever just go copy, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, somebody just forged. You mean forgotten? Forging a signature.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's what I meant. Gosh.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, copy the signature. Why would you copy it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um, I don't know. I never heard of that. I didn't think that's kind of like a wild idea.
SPEAKER_00:That is a wild idea.
SPEAKER_03:Like I would have never in a million years.
SPEAKER_00:I never thought of it while I was there.
SPEAKER_03:Because if you do that, that's basically you cheated. If you cheat there.
SPEAKER_00:If they catch you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You're not uh I never thought of it there. I just thought of it just now. I wonder if it ever happened.
SPEAKER_03:We got a wild one on our hands here, folks.
SPEAKER_00:I did think about try um stealing someone's license plate and putting it on my motorcycle so that I could escape on my motorcycle, but then I decided that was going to be way too difficult.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's the other thing. Both Claire and I, we thought we were gonna leave the property and then take our motorcycles to Kansas City. This was in January of 2005.
SPEAKER_00:Through the Rocky Mountains, how can we do that? We're like, yeah, we'll just drive.
SPEAKER_03:We'll just drive on our on our TW200 motorcycle that goes 55 miles an hour with me and a suitcase.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I had even done done the math. Like, okay, so I have$200. How far will I get? Like, how many miles can a tank of gas take you? And how many miles is it from here? Like the terrain didn't even factor into the equation. Like we're talking about the Rocky Mountain, go driving through the Rocky Mountains on a motorcycle in January. How could you?
SPEAKER_03:And I told my dad, oh, I'll just take my bike there. He was like, No, you won't. And I was like, sure, it it it'll it goes like 5560, no problem. He's like, you're not gonna go through the Rockies on a TWT. Oh god, we didn't try that.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. We were a little bit we were we weren't a little we weren't wise to the world uh that much. No, we were not. Oh yeah, there's this thing they have in Colorado in the Rockies where you're gonna go through them. That's called FNEL.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, exactly. I know. We were like, what's that? No, I'm just kidding.
SPEAKER_03:Oh okay, here's another good one. Okay, we got a lot of uh well, yeah, we have a lot of frequent flyers. They're just jamming questions in.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, thank you. Thank you, folks. Uh, question Did Lafayette ever actually set foot on the Int base? Thought experiment. If Elron had been 30 years younger, would he have made a more deft transition to digital age? How dumb can you be? Yeah, exactly. Um, he was at the property very briefly.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Yeah. They I mean, he had a house there before they built the mansion, the same house that the house that was there, um, which was, I want to say, built in the late 70s, early 80s, I think, that house. Bonnie, it was called Bonnie View, and that's where his cars were, and that's where all his personal stuff was, so he could stay there on the property. The kind of wild thing is that when he was on the run and the property was being built and everything, he lived in Hammett. Hubbard lived in Hemet.
SPEAKER_01:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:And um, and that was kind of a wild thing that he was just in in Hemet while the base was being built. And but nobody, only a very, very handful, small handful of people knew that he was in Hammett. There was lots of go-betweens and all this nonsense. But um yeah, he uh Hubbard spent actually very, very little time at that property over the, you know, I think they bought it in either the late, yeah, they bought it in the in the 70s.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:And um, so he it was around at least for like a decade before he passed away. And um, and he's he didn't wanna he did not want to be there. Uh just mainly because they they thought the feds were gonna grab him. They were gonna you know, yeah, scoop him up.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Jacob, thanks for that, Jacob.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, sorry, let me get back here.
SPEAKER_03:Jacob says there were a handful of fast food places near the base, Denny's, Pandas Breast, Del Taco. Were these there while you were at the end base? Did you ever get to eat off base? We did. Um, and I know what you're talking about. The place where I got run off when I was trying to escape in January of 2005, I got ran off the road. Right where that is, it was basically just open fields most of the way from there all the way to um Ramona Expressway, which is maybe like two or three miles down the road.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, well, there was the San Yacinto College on the the left.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, but there was no food and shopping centers and Panda Express del Taco.
SPEAKER_00:That was not there. There was the closest fast food um place was Jack in the Box.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, and that was right near Ramona Expressway.
SPEAKER_00:Right, exactly. And the only way we would ever be able to go there is because you had a motorcycle, or sometimes you were driving the the van that drove RTC home. That drove RTC home. So then, you know, we we've talked about that. Sometimes you go through the drive thru.
SPEAKER_03:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:We never we never went there to eat. No.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but but this is the crazy thing. That was your pay.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. You could only afford like one time once a week, you know, especially.
SPEAKER_03:Was it if you had a pack of cigarettes and you had this and you had a few other little uh essentials that you needed to get, yeah, and then you went to a meal at Jack in the Box, you're wiped out. That's your weekly allowance, is gone. Yeah, so we would go, but it wasn't it was more like a maybe a once a month or once every few weeks or once every six months kind of thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't like we were we weren't jamming out to Jack in the Crack uh on a on the nightly.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_03:Um thank you for that, Jake.
SPEAKER_00:Professor Ka Kahn said Hubbard was first going to live in the old Gilman house. Guess who had to pull fiberglass from the attic to ensure the boss would not be exposed to it? There you go.
SPEAKER_03:Nice. You know, I do like this about this. Since we've been doing these videos, we've been getting a lot more ex imp based people. I know that we don't know who the who it is.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:But they're saying things that it's 100% they were there. They or they know somebody who was there and they're telling us.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Love it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, because there's a lot of history at that property, obviously.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Okay, I'm gonna try to. Here we go. Trying to get different people's questions here.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect. Um, Daniel says question Are the former top executives and Shelly not allowed to go to big Scientology events anymore? Yes, they are not.
SPEAKER_03:Um I don't think we've uh we've had people that are telling us who's there at these events.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Catherine commented that she used to work in she was seeing them up until 2010.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, but we did we did see um a report that Diana Hubbard was at an event recently.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like 2019, I think somebody said at one of the org openings.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, but this is another thing that Dave Miscavige does. He will shine one of these people up, clean them up, get their hair did, and drag them out to something, yeah, and make and then say, hey, listen, if you want to do this again, you better put on the show of your life and you better not mess anything up. And then they they'll be fine. They'll do whatever they were supposed to do.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And then afterwards he'll be like, I can't believe you told so-and-so, and then he'll throw them back somewhere. And so he does drag people out every once in a while. I remember when we were at the base and Mike Rinder and Mark Yeager and all these guys, we were we were out of the aeration ponds, the septic ponds, shoveling the poo out and and um bucket brigading it out. And they, all four of them, got grabbed and they had to get dressed up and go like do an event or go do something in LA. And then they came back. And so I was like, when um I think it was Mike Rinder, Mike Rinder, we had this is after we had left. And then um we were talking about something on the internet or on a TV show or a film, and they said, Well, Mike Rinder said, I said, Mike Rinder's full of shit. No, no, literally, he was digging shit right before you talked to him. And he was and then he went and talked to you. Like they he would drag them out, David Miscavige would drag them out for when he needed them, and also it gave the apparent that these guys were still up to doing stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They ain't okay. Thank you for that, Daniel. Um, okay, here's a new one.
SPEAKER_00:All right, question What do you estimate is the highest population at Int? How many people do you think live there now? Yeah, so we've talked about this before. I think the highest was like between eight to eight hundred to a thousand. I don't think it ever hit a thousand, but was close to it in the in the early nineties, um, up until ninety six.
SPEAKER_03:Mid nineties, I would say.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, ninety-six-97 is when they stopped bringing new people.
SPEAKER_03:But also in 1996, um, around there in the mid-90s, um, David Miscavige rounded up a ton of people from the Int base, and he they went out to all these different continents to run those continents. So the Int base, even if it had, I want to say it was between it was right around 900, I think was the highest amount that at one time where the people were there because sometimes there were people that were from the Int base, but they were sent other places and then they just never came back.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And then also then factor in, you know, once or twice a week someone's escaping and getting out of there. Sure. So there's there's um, you know, there's that piece, then there's the people that get sent to the art the rehabilitation project force in Los Angeles. So there was um and then no new people coming.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, there's lots of people leaving, but not as many people coming. So it just dwindled and dwindled and dwindled. And sometimes there were spikes where it would go way, way down. Like yeah, uh David Miscavige kicked out a bunch of the I think it was anybody who was like 65 and older. Yeah, unless you were like a rock star seven-year-old that he used all the time, you were long gone. And they sent like 80 of those guys in in one day. It was just like two buses, poof, they're done, they're out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the offloads they called it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I would say 900, and now we've heard it's like 200.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that's a highest of the 200. It might be 100 and change or whatever.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and and we're hearing of you know elderly staff getting moved off to assisted living facilities and so on and so forth. So yeah. All right. Question Were there a lot of fist fights at the base? Seems like people were under a lot of stress, and a nice fight here and there would help. Um, yeah, got dramatically worse over the years. Not fist fights. Uh I mean, in the whole, yes.
SPEAKER_03:Well, the let's just say, yeah there uh there's RTC, there's exec strata, there's CMO Int, and then those are like the above the line, those are on the north side. Everything on the north side of the property was like management and these kind of muckety mucks, CMO, the messengers, all that. And then on the other side, on the the west side of the property, or the south side, was the um was Golden Air Productions. And there were fist fights all the time in Golden Air Productions. They were the scrappers, they were all the people that got kicked out of all those other higher organizations. We're all that was the that was the uh, I don't know what you call it. We were the lower class organization, and there were fights all the time. I mean, it was kind of wild how many fights there were in Golden Air Productions. Like in the grounds department, Spike Bush, he was beating up at people once a week.
SPEAKER_00:So he was uh rough around the edges.
SPEAKER_03:There was a lot of there was a lot of fist fights uh in the lower organizations. I didn't see that many of those up in the exec strat. But David Miscavige, he had free reign on anybody in any organization. Yeah, and he didn't he didn't always like punch people. He did, but he mainly pushed and kicked and shoved and threw across the table, choked, threw up against the wall.
SPEAKER_00:And and he would have Marty Rathbun do his dirty work for him.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. Marty, Marty did cold cock me one time just while we were standing in the room.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, that's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The girl that was standing with him started crying.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:When he punched me, I'm like, what are you crying for? I'm the one who just took took one straight to the dome here, honey.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:There was one time he he uh David Miscavige ordered me to throw Greg Wilher up against a wall. It was a little hard when he's like a foot taller than me and twice the weight of me.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:I just kind of shoved him to so I could comply with the order, but it was ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. I'm trying to see another one here. We've we've uh we've exhausted different folks. So I think I'm gonna have to uh here we go.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Here I'll mark mark some more too. Question for you both. When you heard people were escaping before 2005, let's say, what did you tell yourself that kept you in? Thanks, guys. Yeah. For me, uh I just didn't know how we could ever get out and make a life outside of that world. So I I kept running track of every way that anyone had ever escaped, kind of even subliminally or not subliminally, but like I didn't write it down or keep a list of it. You made a mental note of it. Made mental note, thank you. Exactly. So that way when you escaped, I could run through my mental note, like, okay, which one would work for me?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. The thing, the hard thing about that too, is that whenever somebody escapes um and you don't see them anymore, they start rumors about that person. So like somebody will say to somebody, um, somebody that knows like a security or an ethics person or maybe a high executive will say, Oh, that person has gained 250 pounds and they're homeless, and this and they would make up stories about people who left, and then those stories would get spread throughout the whisper web of the property. Yeah, and then I I tell this story because they said that about this one person. Oh, he moved to Vegas and he gained a ton of weight, and he's a loser, and he lives in a motel with his brother, and da da da. And then um, and then I ran into this guy in Hollywood and I was like, dude, you're looking great. He's like, What are you talking about? And I go, You must have lost like 200 pounds or something. He's like, What are you talking about? I go, Oh, I heard you were like 300 pounds in a motel with your brother. He's like, No, that never happened. And I was like, Oh, that's weird. He goes, No, I did buy a house and my brother lived with me for a little bit. I was like, oh gosh. So they do make it seem like everyone who leaves fails and is just miserable. So that's right. Which is never which is usually not the case. Okay, good stuff. Okay, you got some more goodies for me here? Oh, we got light, lots.
SPEAKER_00:Yep. Uh Sabine says, question Do you know if ice raids were conducted in Scientology offices that resulted in ESA members being sent back to their home country? No, nothing.
SPEAKER_03:There's no way that that's gonna happen. They're they're they're a they're protected by the this religious cloaking nonsense because they're a religion. Um they're afforded uh more liberties and more uh leeway, like, oh no, we're not gonna mess with them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Tony Ortega did an article about the number of religious visas a couple of months ago um that covered like how many they the Scientology definitely had significantly more than any other, or they were in the the top mo um bringing people here from other countries.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Um here we go.
SPEAKER_00:Here's a quick question If there was ever a fire at Gold Base, is there a way for everyone to evacuate? Do they have fire drills there? Those mountains are ripe for a fire, yes.
SPEAKER_03:Well, in my book, there's an entire story.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, all the drills, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:In my book covers this entire thing because they do have drills. They have a intruder drill, fire drill, earthquake drill, security drill, which is different from intruder, like if the base perimeter has been compromised or is uh or the the security system is down or the lights are down, then they have somebody they have people that spread out all the way around the property to to maintain the perimeter.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, and they absolutely um we did fire drills for some time. There were periods um where every summer, every week we did fire drills because there were always fires out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We were doing fire drills every Saturday morning. Um Jackson, Gary Moorhead would run most of those, or then later after he left, it was Uve Stukenbrock would run them, or whoever was the security chief would run those.
SPEAKER_03:Not not Kirsten, Kevin.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, no, and it would literally be like fire drills, like pull out the fire hoses, hook them up, roll them out, um, you know, fire up the water, and then so that was one drill, and and absolutely we would they wouldn't evacuate the property, but it would the property was so big that you could just go and everyone would muster up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, wherever they uh if there were a fire there. But there was a time in the oh gosh, like 92, 93 that there was a big fire, and I remember being part of the the fire line, like we were just standing there for hours on end watching for embers.
SPEAKER_03:Well, there were two, yeah. There were, I think there was well, there were several fires that would happen. And also sometimes um the farmers nearby would just do a burn pile and then sometimes they get all freaked out about that. But if you read my book, there was a massive, massive fire on the mountain behind the property, and it was set by a security guard that was up at the eagle, which is this like little lookout that that they would the security guards would man and they could see the entire property from that location.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, and um, yeah, so there were fires, it was a nightmare.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The other one that we did all kinds of drills, and all and I do list out in the book, I list out every single type of drill that we would do and what it entailed. The blow drill, that was another drill that we had. If somebody escaped, we had a drill for that to try to track them down and find out where they went.
SPEAKER_00:You're reminding me too that in so in those cases when there was an emergency like that, that was the only time that you were you you um took on a different duty, and now you're part of this drill. So you're allowed to not be on post.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:So for example, there was um there was a few times when there was what there was flood watch.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, oh, how can I forget? Flood drills, right?
SPEAKER_00:Big fires and big floods, yeah. So there was there was times that we would literally be like posted out on the south side of the property along the levee all through the night. It's like raining and wind is blowing, and we're sitting there watching the levee. I mean, it in retrospect, it seems ridiculous.
SPEAKER_03:We drove our Chevy to the levee and the levee was not dry. It was there were times where people would have to be posted on the levee to s to basically give a progress report or status report of the levee and if the levee had broken, because every time there was a big flood flood, almost every single time, the levee would break and it would flood the property. So they had people, and I remember on one of those, I was just cutting down trees full time, all these dead trees along the levee. We were just cutting them down and and shoving them into places where we thought the levee was gonna break, and then they would just float down the river. It was it was ridiculous. Okay, you got another one up there? Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, we got tons. Yep, here we go. Question Since David Miscavige likes to pretend he is not in charge, who would he tell the FBI are the principal policymakers? What are their names and roles? Yes, um, he does have um, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Well, Elron Hubbard is the policymaker, to be fair. This is how they this is one of the ways they get out, they get around all this stuff is they say, no, no one is setting any policy. Elrin Hubbard already said all the policies, right? We just have to follow them. So everybody along the different organizations, there's heads of all these different organizations, but their their sole job is just to ensure that the things that Hubbard said are getting done are getting done. So they're not they're not directing it. There's no one who directs this is what has to be done because it's already been done in policy. But he has figureheads that are on paper, and they've got people that are board members and all that, but they've just all signed uh undated resignations. So if they escape, then they can just say, Oh, yeah, no, that guy he had to resign because he was a total criminal and he did all these things, and then they just get somebody else and they put them on the paper. It's not that bad.
SPEAKER_00:And and in fact, in the early 80s, they had all different kinds of um policy, and they had uh what was called BTBs, board technical bulletins that were written by people other than Hubbard, like um what's his name? Um David Mayo and other things. But then in later years they canceled all of those. So it was strictly and only Hubbard on every single piece of written documentation of Scientology.
SPEAKER_03:Yes. And this is another thing.
SPEAKER_00:And that that then covered it so that when those people were declared suppressives or whatever, then they were not known to the public. Um, Becky says Hubbard policy can never be changed unless Captain Miscavige low-key changes policy. Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_03:And he does that, and the way he does that is he cancels these policies and he just says, Oh, those were written by somebody else. So that has become his new pretty much standard. If some Hubbard policy is in place that contradicts another Hubbard policy or goes against what he's trying to do, he just says, Oh, that wasn't, we went through everything. That wasn't Hubbard. That was written by this other guy, even though Hubbard told the other guy. That's the other thing. A lot of a lot of times Hubbard did say, Hey, I want you to write this policy that says we're gonna do da-da-da-da-da-da. And then that guy would write it up, and then Dave would say, Well, that wasn't written by Hubbard, so we're gonna delete it.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Wow, Jacob is like, he's just jamming on it here today.
SPEAKER_00:All right. Jacob, Mark, you've talked before about a Danish news program you were involved with where you talk to current ESA members. Do you know where to watch this? Yes. Oh, yeah, that will be part two, because we we were gonna do a base, go through that video. Yeah, go through that video.
SPEAKER_03:I went through it. It's on one of my SP files. I'm pretty sure. Or it's on there. It may be, we'll have to figure. We'll find out which one it is and put it in the description. But last week during the live chat, Clara did put a link to that in the thing. But yes, it was the the program that the the Danes did, if you if you just say uh Danish Scientology documentary, that'll probably that'll probably show.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Um, I found it on YouTube by searching.
SPEAKER_03:We'll put a link to the original one and then we'll put a link to the video that I but yeah.
SPEAKER_00:If you go on YouTube and search Mark Headley, Scientology, and Robert Dam, um that's D-A-M. D-A-M, yeah. He's writ he's um he was part of that documentary, but that's where I found it on YouTube. But we'll we'll add the link to the video description, Jacob. Thank you. Thank you, Jacob.
SPEAKER_03:That's very generous of you.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Um, apostate Alex is in here somewhere.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, hey.
SPEAKER_03:I just I see somebody says hey, apostate Alex.
SPEAKER_01:Good to see you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, sorry if our video we did post that we were doing this yesterday. We did post it, but we did. Um, we try to do it earlier. We gotta basically we have a lot of people in Europe that watch. So we try to do it earlier so that they're not what watching it in the middle of the night, Alex. BT's activity.
SPEAKER_00:BT's activate.
SPEAKER_03:Um, but yes, so sometimes we're trying to do these a little earlier for the the the EU and UK and uh all our UP European watchers. Um, okay, here's another one.
SPEAKER_00:Um, sorry, let me get there. Hi there, everyone. I'm a bit late to the party too. It's been a while since I caught alive all the way from Australia, even though I should be in bed. Nice, good to see you. Thank you for coming back.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, this is another one from Witnesses. Yeah, Robert Dam, Robert Dam is an amazing guy, in uh uh my opinion. I loved his discussion with Miriam in Denmark. Yeah, I don't or Miriam.
SPEAKER_00:Um, Miriam, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Anyway, yes, we'll put a link and you guys can see appreciate the friendly Euro time.
SPEAKER_00:That reminds me actually. I was gonna do an interview with Robert. I'll have to read out reach out to him again. Appreciate the Euro friendly time. Yes, exactly. We appreciate you doing it early. Patrina, yes, thank you.
SPEAKER_01:You're welcome.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:And I will be doing a foundation feed series with Phil at 3 p.m. mountain time later today.
SPEAKER_03:So oh, good for you, babe.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I didn't know that. Yep.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, well, got got golly gee linkers, Batman. Um, okay. Um, have you got any more questions?
SPEAKER_00:Uh yep. Here, hold on.
SPEAKER_03:We're gonna do a giveaway here in a little bit, guys. Oh, and by the way, I gotta mention we've been getting photos in on the Davy dolls. And we I don't know, guys. I gotta tell you, you gotta up your game because we got one. I mean, we have somebody who's 3D printing sets for these things. Okay, so and the one he did, pretty amazing. It was a I'm not gonna tell you what it was, but it had a mic render bobblehead and a Davy doll. And it was amazing. Anyway, it's all it's right now. It's my it's my top, it's my number one for October.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, and and I have a feeling that that he's gonna do a resubmission of that based on the questions that were asked and answered. Anyway, we'll see.
SPEAKER_03:Yikes. Okay, here we go.
SPEAKER_00:Uh yeah, Tracy says, and also the Broncos play it too. Exactly. We're down for watching that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that was just a convenient rescheduling bonus.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I got one for you.
SPEAKER_00:All right, here we go. Um, question Do you think David Miscavige would have been able to carry out his coup after Ron died if he hadn't been married to Shelly? Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't actually think so. Shelly, um that's a good point. Way more she I mean, she was with Hubbard from age 11.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, so yeah, I don't think that's a good point.
SPEAKER_03:I think it was a combination of factors, but yes, that certainly helped his. That's kind of ironic.
SPEAKER_00:It is.
SPEAKER_03:If you think about it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I saw somebody asked, and I I didn't I did mark it, but somebody was asking about the timing of Shelly being banished and sent to CST in mid-2005. And I think it had a lot to do with Tom Cruise personally and her objection to David Miscavige's very close friendship with uh Tom Cruise anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, look at this guy.
SPEAKER_00:Um Katrina, I've got some cool picks, but I don't have X on a laptop. Can I just email them to you? Yes.
SPEAKER_03:I know, but you can also just go to blownforgood.com and you can submit photos on the contact us page.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:You can send them if you don't want to share it or whatever. Yeah, just email them. If you do it publicly, you can well, you can just there's a submission form on our website. So you don't have to sell out all your details.
SPEAKER_00:So somebody said it was giving them a hard time. So if yeah, I I've I haven't had a chance to test it yet.
SPEAKER_03:See, here we go. I keep trying to say no, just go to the and she's like, There's a problem.
SPEAKER_00:Send it by email or whatever.
SPEAKER_03:Where's where should they send it?
SPEAKER_00:To me. Which is where at blownforgood.com.
SPEAKER_03:There you go.
SPEAKER_00:They all know that.
SPEAKER_03:Well, they don't all, it's not every single person that's here has been here before. Sometimes we get newbies, and uh, we are getting guys gotta tell you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Petrina said she tried or uh tried to submit on the the contact page on the website and it didn't work. So I'll get that fixed. But email is an acceptable alternative way. Perfect. There you go.
SPEAKER_03:And then I do have to say it does help us if you guys like. I we really don't push it that much. We just have it on the end, uh the outro, which most people don't even get to. Yeah, um, but if you do like and subscribe, that does help the channel. But also our podcast, this is we have amazing news about the podcast. We are almost at a million downloads on the podcast separately. Um, and we are in right now per the podcast platform that we subscribe to, we were in the top five percent. We are now officially in the top two and a half percent of all podcasts.
SPEAKER_00:How fitting.
SPEAKER_03:We're in the top two and a half percent of all podcasts based on the number of downloads of a podcast in the first week. That's how they sort of rate them.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So if you get more than a certain amount in the first week of the of the podcast being available, that episode, yeah, then that's how you rank. And we are in the top two and a half percent. We can get in the top two percent. We just need more people to subscribe to the podcast. So if you go to Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Wherever you get your podcast. If you want to subscribe to us, that helps us. And also if you go in and you rate the podcast in your Apple podcast, you can leave a little rating and a review. That also helps us.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:So um, I think we should do the giveaway now. Yeah, yeah. Unless you've got a question that's just you just you've got to do it. You've got to get this one covered.
SPEAKER_00:Um, no, I did just want to comment that I saw I like this one.
SPEAKER_03:Um it says Bachbuddy says, uh, I wonder how many orgs have had to rely on Dave to pay the utility bills. The African org had its power shut off for non-payment a couple of years ago. Yes, this is a common problem with these new organizations that David Miscavige has set up, is that international management owns the property, but they're responsible for, excuse me, they're responsible for paying all the local utilities and bills and upkeep and all that. They're supposed to do that. And because these places are so empty and there's nobody in there and they're not making any money, sometimes they have to turn off the heat or they have to turn off the air con air conditioning because they just can't afford it. Um, and that does show you how uh how truly expanding they are, that they can't even pay their bills, they can't even pay the the gas or the oil or the heating or the AC or whatever it is, the water.
SPEAKER_00:Um I found I found the one that I wanted to talk about here.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, good.
SPEAKER_00:Um, Adam says Hebra Gens was my step-grandmother's grandma's brother. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_03:And and yeah, we we found out that Hebergents, well, we knew this before, but we didn't know the extent of it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:How many um people were in his family?
SPEAKER_00:How many moms forty um 40 kids or something that he was he was born into a polygamist Mormon family? Yeah, I know. I was like, holy moly. I think I vaguely remember hearing that he was Mormon, but I didn't know somebody said he had 40 something brothers in the past. I was like, what? Yeah, yeah. No, Janice told me that.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, I the math on that, no, no, no. They were polygamous. He had like eight moms or something like that.
SPEAKER_00:I was like, oh, yes, it was eight moms, that's right. Yeah, and there were 41 um you know, people in his immediate family. It's just crazy. Anyway, hopefully he's all right. Um, you know, we're holding out hope to get him out. What can we say?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, okay, guys. Oh, look, we got double Clares.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yay.
SPEAKER_03:Um, let's do some giveaways here, guys. This is for a Davy doll.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, it is.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, we've got 101. Whoa.
SPEAKER_01:Boom.
SPEAKER_03:Um, we've got 101 entries, 102. Um, if you want a uh an entry to win a Davy doll, you gotta comment. And if you comment once on anything, you can say, hey, you're in the you're in there. So we'll give you guys a second to do that.
SPEAKER_00:Hopefully, I don't win since I did comment once.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my goodness. I know the travesty. Here it goes.
SPEAKER_00:Here we go. We're gonna find out.
SPEAKER_03:I did just see you went by.
SPEAKER_00:I know.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I've won, I've won before. I've commented. I didn't comment actually on this one today.
SPEAKER_00:Linda, yay, congratulations.
SPEAKER_03:There you go. You're the winner.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. So send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com.
SPEAKER_03:I doubled it up for you. Oh, so you can really get your message across there.
SPEAKER_00:No, thanks. That's not my not my jam.
SPEAKER_03:Um thanks for joining us, guys. We are gonna do the video, we're gonna do a good video next week.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_03:We are gonna do all Scientology bases next week. We're gonna cover up because we only covered one base. So we're gonna do a video that's just all of their secret bases. And we'll touch on the imp base, but it'll be the imp base and it'll be all their secret bases. And even some locations that aren't bases, but they're still secret. We're gonna cover those too.
SPEAKER_00:Do you have somewhere that footage of when you visited um the New Mexico place with John Sweeney?
SPEAKER_03:Yes, I do.
SPEAKER_00:We should find that.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, we'll find that. John Sweeney, uh reporter from the uh UK, um, he was writing a book called The Church of Fear. And he came here to Colorado, and we drove to New Mexico in my van and we went to a CST base. If you go on um on the on the YouTubers and you just say Church of Fear, I think it's Church of Fear trailer or Church of Fear book. Yeah, there is a little trailer that I shot. I helped John Sweeney shoot.
SPEAKER_01:Nice.
SPEAKER_03:And um, and it shows this. And we'll maybe we'll show that next week. Yeah. But you can just Google it if you want to check it out. And um, yeah, thanks for watching.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there you go. Oh, and then and then are you gonna pull up the um slides to remind everyone about the there you go.
SPEAKER_03:Fake Navy Dale photo contest, guys. You gotta uh send in your uh send in your photos september submissions we already did we're gonna do october submissions uh the first week of november yep of november october yes october submissions we're gonna get the first get the first video we do in november we're gonna give away uh we're gonna do the winners for that oh hey coffee milk dude thank you for the super sticker good to see you here um awesome okay guys sounds good thanks for joining us and till next time and we will see you next week like and like and subscribe comment do everything that helps the algorithm thanks for watching if you'd like to help support the channel feel free to check out the merch store link in the description we have hail xenu xenu is my homeboy and BFG branded mouse pads shirts mugs all sorts of other stuff in there that helps us to bring you new content on a regular basis. You can also pick up a copy of my book Blown for Good Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology in hardback, Kindle and Audible versions as well. There's also a link to our podcast and you can get that on Apple Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. And if you'd like to watch another video you can click on this link right here or you can click on this one here or you can click on the subscribe button right here. Thanks a lot until next time
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